The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 75 — AI Singularity? National Security Gay-gency? Luigi the Loverboy

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00:01:39.000 Okay, everybody.

00:01:40.000 It is Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:43.000 We have Tyler.

00:01:44.000 We have Blake.

00:01:45.000 We have Jack.

00:01:46.000 And we have lots of topics to discuss.

00:01:49.000 We are going to go through Luigi, which I seek to understand the phenomena.

00:01:54.000 And we also have NSG and AI Singularity.

00:01:58.000 That should keep us busy.

00:01:59.000 It's a good week.

00:02:00.000 That's a good trio.

00:02:00.000 Those three?

00:02:01.000 Oh, for sure.

00:02:02.000 I don't think we should push the boundaries beyond that.

00:02:04.000 So, NSGay, what's going on here? 1.00

00:02:07.000 Alrighty, so this is the latest big release from Chris Ruffo over at the Manhattan Institute.

00:02:14.000 There's some sort of whistleblower within the NSA, one of our big intelligence agencies.

00:02:20.000 They're the ones who handle signals intelligence, so they monitor the internet, they intercept phone calls.

00:02:25.000 They were supposed to do it abroad, but after 9-11, in the name of national security, they had to have...

00:02:30.000 Authority in the U.S. too.

00:02:31.000 But anyway, so they have an Intel agency kind of internal chat room that they get to use.

00:02:40.000 And it's supposed to only be for work reasons.

00:02:42.000 But of course, in the age of DEI, you can't have a thriving workplace unless you have your LGBT affinity room chat discussion area for employees. 0.64

00:02:51.000 And so someone just started leaking what they were saying in their affinity chat room.

00:02:58.000 And Rufo's been releasing it, so let's look at some of these.

00:03:02.000 It's really just far-ranging.

00:03:04.000 You have people talking the specifics about sex change surgeries they've ever undergone.

00:03:10.000 They talk about polyamory and what the definitions of it are.

00:03:13.000 They celebrate when people they don't like die, like Pat Robertson.

00:03:18.000 They spike the football about it.

00:03:20.000 And they talk about being hermaphrodites and how it's a good thing to be... 1.00

00:03:25.000 And they also talk about zapping their buttholes with lasers.

00:03:28.000 That's one of the lines they do.

00:03:29.000 You're ruining...

00:03:30.000 We're supposed to read them.

00:03:31.000 Okay, that's fair.

00:03:32.000 That's fair.

00:03:34.000 Now, so help me understand.

00:03:35.000 This is on government devices, government computers during work times.

00:03:38.000 This is taxpayer-funded.

00:03:40.000 And so these are trannies. 1.00

00:03:42.000 That are, like, discussing their private sex changes on these chats? 0.95

00:03:47.000 How did we learn about this?

00:03:49.000 The craziest part about the whole thing, Charlie, is that it's, like, they're enabled to, like, be pushed to the front of the line to talk about this.

00:03:57.000 They've created an environment where it's, like, this is where it's cultivated.

00:04:02.000 Yeah, it's, like, I think he has a quote in the article where they basically said that...

00:04:07.000 You know, being an affirming, like a DEI environment is not just mission critical, but like mission mandatory or something.

00:04:15.000 They have a very bizarre quote along those lines.

00:04:19.000 There's one, let me see if I can find this one.

00:04:23.000 Oh wow, this is a great one.

00:04:25.000 An intersex birth would be a great opportunity to raise a kid as non-binary and let them choose later.

00:04:33.000 Or not choose at all.

00:04:35.000 And none of these things mean that their gender wasn't a socially constructed identity.

00:04:44.000 Intersex is where, of course, they have male and female features. 0.51

00:04:48.000 So, I guess, can we all agree that people that are trans should not serve in the intel services? 1.00

00:04:56.000 So, that's where this gets crazy.

00:04:59.000 Or where it gets frightening, I should say.

00:05:02.000 Because this is the NSA. So these are people who are good with computers.

00:05:07.000 They're kind of like hacker types, basically, is who we're hiring here.

00:05:11.000 And the comorbidity between people who are into that, like being a top hacker, more or less, and being transgender, is disturbingly high. 1.00

00:05:21.000 So I'm inclined to agree with you, but...

00:05:23.000 It totally makes sense.

00:05:25.000 So the hacker trans world has a lot of overlap?

00:05:27.000 Yes, tons.

00:05:28.000 Especially at the top.

00:05:29.000 So you're exempt from this because you're chronically online and definitely not trans. 1.00

00:05:34.000 But the chronically online tend to be more autistic, more fringy, more willing to be captured by social contagions. 0.70

00:05:43.000 I think they have less antibodies against bad ideas.

00:05:45.000 Is that fair to say?

00:05:46.000 I think it's that, but I think it's not just bad ideas.

00:05:49.000 It's, I think...

00:05:51.000 It's not really studied because it's one of those things where it was all supernatural and they were born that way so we can't study it honestly.

00:05:58.000 What I think is it's probably if they're on the spectrum, as they say, they're probably...

00:06:07.000 That whole phenomenon where they describe dysphoria as being uncomfortable in your own body, a ton of people on the spectrum are like that.

00:06:15.000 They have a sensory overload.

00:06:17.000 Their clothes make them uncomfortable.

00:06:18.000 They can't wear jewelry.

00:06:20.000 All of that makes them uncomfortable.

00:06:22.000 And so you can take that and say, oh wow, that's body dysphoria.

00:06:25.000 You're not comfortable in your body.

00:06:27.000 And then I think they're probably also much more prone to the abstraction of their identity.

00:06:32.000 So think about what you can do in modern video games.

00:06:35.000 You can design your own character.

00:06:36.000 I think they're much more likely to basically imagine, I can do that to myself.

00:06:42.000 I'm really the character I made in this video game on the internet.

00:06:47.000 Jack.

00:06:47.000 Well, before, you know, as a guy who was in the intel community before this, you know, I was there when the, you know, this was kind of like starting to seep in.

00:06:57.000 But let's go through the story itself a little bit more because this, it's crazy that this is actually, this wasn't like some disclosure, by the way.

00:07:04.000 This is, you know, Tulsi Gabbard just got in his DNI. Bratcliffe is over at CIA. But this is actually a source that leaked all of this to Chris Rufo, if I have that correctly.

00:07:15.000 I think so.

00:07:16.000 I think that is right.

00:07:17.000 And so, I guess the question is, for some people in the audience, Jack, do you have any...

00:07:22.000 I mean, you served in the Intel services, and you're not trans and not gay. 0.89

00:07:25.000 So, Jack, help me understand how tranny... 0.99

00:07:28.000 I made it.

00:07:29.000 How tranny is our Intel services?

00:07:31.000 More interestingly, what percentage of people in the NSA are trans, since it's very hacker-focused, very computer?

00:07:38.000 Yeah, so...

00:07:39.000 I mean, it's non-sarcastically.

00:07:41.000 I mean, is it the tranniest of all? 1.00

00:07:45.000 No, it's actually correct.

00:07:47.000 And so this also coincides with how A lot of, and Blake, I know you and I have chatted about this in the past, about how, like, the LGBT community took over sort of the geek world.

00:08:01.000 So when I was in, NSA was known for, like, this was your geek.

00:08:05.000 The guy at the NSA is, like, poor social skills, low soft skills.

00:08:11.000 These are your people who would do actual LARPing, as in they would, like, do live, hold live action role plays at the Fort Meade.

00:08:19.000 In the cafeteria there, you know, or like on, you know, work events.

00:08:24.000 You know, they're going to the D.C. area Renaissance Fair and they're holding live action role play, like big Lord of the Rings kind of stuff.

00:08:32.000 And again, like I'm dating myself because my experience was, it's been almost a decade since I've been out, you know, give or take.

00:08:38.000 But that's kind of was the bleeding edge of it when I was there.

00:08:42.000 So it was totally taken over by the Geek Squad.

00:08:46.000 And that very same space has a lot of overlap as well with the LGBT community.

00:08:52.000 This comes in through Tumblr.

00:08:55.000 It comes in through TikTok now these days.

00:08:59.000 You have this huge, and a lot of it, Charlie, exactly as you're laying out, by the way, comes from being super online.

00:09:05.000 And so when I was getting out, I remember across the Intel community, it was this huge push for, they would call it allyship.

00:09:12.000 You have to be an ally.

00:09:15.000 You have to put up the flag, especially if it's Pride Month. 1.00

00:09:18.000 You have to put up your little ally sticker.

00:09:21.000 And I would say, well, I'm like a traditional Catholic.

00:09:26.000 We have issues with that religiously.

00:09:29.000 It comes into conflict with our belief system, so I'm just not going to do that, but I'm not going to sit there and try to convert people to Catholicism either.

00:09:40.000 I'm just going to actually do my job.

00:09:43.000 And more and more, you saw the stand-up of these So let's go a step further.

00:10:13.000 I think that there is a An interesting connection with how many trans people become helicopter pilots.

00:10:22.000 Have you noticed this?

00:10:23.000 This is a very real thing.

00:10:24.000 And I think that...

00:10:27.000 I've done some thinking about it.

00:10:28.000 I think it's because there's some sort of exoskeleton that is around you when you're a helicopter pilot.

00:10:34.000 So do they become helicopter pilots or do helicopter pilots become trans? 0.76

00:10:38.000 No, but there is something philosophical and ideological where...

00:10:42.000 Let's say you're a man who thinks you're a woman and you then can assume complete control of something that is not yourself.

00:10:50.000 It attaches to your being.

00:10:54.000 Is that making any sense to you?

00:10:56.000 It is a little bit.

00:10:56.000 It is a real pattern.

00:10:59.000 Am I making this up?

00:10:59.000 Pilots do it.

00:11:01.000 Obviously some ultra-masculine athletes do it. 1.00

00:11:06.000 You get these kind of adventurer types.

00:11:08.000 I'm going to go fly a helicopter.

00:11:10.000 I'm going to fly small planes.

00:11:12.000 Sometimes you have very hard-driving businessmen come out and say, like, actually, I knew I was a woman on the inside the whole time.

00:11:18.000 Couldn't you tell when I was doing my hard-charging business career and all these other masculine interests?

00:11:24.000 Another thing that's interesting that overlaps with the NSA hacker thing, it's not widely known, but so many major online spaces, you get sort of these transgender shock troops move to take them over. 0.78

00:11:37.000 So, for example, Reddit, the most soy...

00:11:40.000 Web site in the world.

00:11:42.000 Moderators on Reddit.

00:11:43.000 There's a ton of transgender. 0.96

00:11:45.000 There's like a cabal of transgender people who are the moderators of a ton of major subreddits.

00:11:50.000 And so they engineer things.

00:11:52.000 For example, after Elon Musk did the, you know, my heart goes out to you thing, they organized this extremely systematic get Twitter banned, get Twitter links, X links I should say, X links banned from Reddit on all these things.

00:12:05.000 Totally coordinated.

00:12:06.000 Totally fake.

00:12:09.000 The trannies were the ones that helped organize Delete Uber. 1.00

00:12:12.000 Do you remember Delete Uber early on in the Trump administration?

00:12:15.000 Do you guys remember this?

00:12:16.000 It was huge.

00:12:18.000 Because of all of the immigration protests, it was all driven by 10 trans activists on Reddit.

00:12:25.000 And they were really good at it.

00:12:26.000 Like, really good at it.

00:12:27.000 Another big one, Wikipedia.

00:12:28.000 Wikipedia is much worse now than it was 15 years ago, and a lot of it is there are super users on Wikipedia who their entire life is just obsessively trying to police whatever articles they've taken over.

00:12:40.000 Very disproportionately transgender on that one.

00:12:44.000 It's a real thing, and what is especially concerning when we talk about should this be allowed at the NSA, independent of what they're posting here, a very real trend, a trend that we have to be honest about is The thing that is very creepy with a lot of transgender people is it eventually entirely takes over their personality. 1.00

00:13:05.000 Totally.

00:13:05.000 They are incredibly hostile towards anyone who's impinging on this identity of theirs.

00:13:12.000 The term you'll run into is tranisseries.

00:13:15.000 They are shock troops for this ideology in terms of how obsessed they are.

00:13:19.000 And it gets more and more and more extreme.

00:13:21.000 So I think... 0.63

00:13:22.000 I would not be surprised if we're going to see more, like, transgender shooters in the future. 1.00

00:13:26.000 People really whipped up and radicalized by this.

00:13:29.000 We just, Blake, we literally just had a transgender serial killer cult, which involved, by the way, a number of hackers, where they just got arrested, I think, in, like, Western Maryland, out where Tim Pool, I guess he used to do his show out of there.

00:13:45.000 And of course, they don't cover it that way, the Zizians.

00:13:49.000 And this was a huge group that was conducting transgender-fueled slash vegan-fueled violence and murder across the country for years. 1.00

00:14:00.000 And yet, this is something that, like...

00:14:02.000 The true crime community is never going to talk about.

00:14:05.000 It's something the mainstream media is not going to talk about.

00:14:08.000 They'll say stuff like, oh, they were...

00:14:10.000 I think I caught the USA Today headline when it was out.

00:14:13.000 I took a picture of it.

00:14:13.000 It said, there was an odd twist.

00:14:16.000 There was an odd twist when they captured the members of the cult. 0.86

00:14:20.000 An odd twist that they were all vegan transgender radicals. 1.00

00:14:24.000 Just an odd twist, though, as a mainstream media.

00:14:27.000 But so if you actually study this...

00:14:30.000 It does go back to, you know, it's like Norman Bates, right?

00:14:35.000 It's something that Hitchcock would talk about where, you know, there clearly is a key issue fundamentally, which, of course, dysphoria is a mental issue.

00:14:45.000 It clearly is a mental issue, and it was in the DSM until very recently, that can generate these types of feelings.

00:14:52.000 And so that's one of the reasons why there was that...

00:14:55.000 There was that trans individual that was arrested at the Capitol who came in with Molotov cocktails and a loaded 9mm and was going to kill Scott Besant during his confirmation hearings, but originally wanted to target Pete Hegseth.

00:15:09.000 Why?

00:15:10.000 Because Pete Hegseth was pushing, and I think at this point has signed now, the trans ban in the military.

00:15:16.000 And so they view that, as Blake exactly what you're saying, this direct attack on their identity.

00:15:22.000 And so when you listen to their their chat rooms or you listen to their their writings and you see this in some of these trans killers in their suicide notes, they'll say we had to do this because the world was after us.

00:15:35.000 We had to respond.

00:15:36.000 Violence was the only answer because they really do view it as a direct physical attack on their identity.

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00:16:54.000 Well, here's what's crazy to think about.

00:16:56.000 And we were talking before the show a little bit about how the intelligence community recruits.

00:17:01.000 And most of it's, I mean, we've seen this like in big organizations.

00:17:04.000 At Turning Point, for example, there's certain personality types that fit into certain jobs.

00:17:09.000 And you have to wonder, I mean, not wonder, it's pretty obvious that the opening of the gay agenda within government and just the LGBTQ, you know, especially with the trans community, this is kind of, you have to assume it's pushed. 0.63

00:17:25.000 People who are mentally ill, trans, into these jobs, these very important jobs. 0.86

00:17:31.000 And how crazy is it? 0.95

00:17:33.000 I mean, you just brought up like the masters of Reddit and Wikipedia, who are the people who oversee everything.

00:17:40.000 I mean, these are basically the same types that are overseeing all the confidential information.

00:17:44.000 All the gatekeeping that happens within the intelligence communities.

00:17:49.000 And now they're basically, those are the only jobs they can fulfill.

00:17:53.000 More than a decade ago, Snowden said they had all these cases of, they called it like Lovant, where NSA employees were abusing their powers to basically spy on people they were interested in.

00:18:02.000 Oh yeah.

00:18:03.000 Now imagine how insanely abusive you could get if you're a politically radicalized person of that.

00:18:11.000 Opening the door to these personality types, though, is basically shoving them into these very important jobs, which that...

00:18:18.000 I mean, you've got to address that.

00:18:20.000 Sensitive, espionage-related positions to people who...

00:18:23.000 As their core identity are powerfully delusional.

00:18:26.000 And they have no other opportunity.

00:18:27.000 They have to go into these jobs because they can't be front-facing civilian jobs.

00:18:32.000 They can't be military-esque jobs within the intelligence agencies.

00:18:37.000 They have to go into these dark rooms behind the scenes where nobody sees them like the personality type that Charlie's describing.

00:18:44.000 So it's basically this entire channel and by gayifying the entire government more has made Basically open the door to the entire trans community taking over maybe the most important, most critical, most sensitive element of intelligence. 0.97

00:19:02.000 I don't know that.

00:19:04.000 I mean, I don't want to overly generalize, but I'd say that narcissistic personality and trans overlaps. 1.00

00:19:10.000 Yeah.

00:19:11.000 And would you say that's true? 0.89

00:19:13.000 Narcissism and trans. 1.00

00:19:14.000 Oh, for sure.

00:19:14.000 For sure.

00:19:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:15.000 And in politics, there's a lot of...

00:19:18.000 It's all narcissism.

00:19:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:20.000 And so, therefore, you see a lot of that represented.

00:19:23.000 But can we all agree on thought crime that people that are afflicted by the trans ideology have no place in the military or the intel services? 0.80

00:19:31.000 Would that stand up in an executive order?

00:19:33.000 The intel services won.

00:19:35.000 Intel services...

00:19:36.000 It would probably be tough given...

00:19:39.000 The military has stood up important.

00:19:40.000 The military has stood up because I think the president basically has special commander-in-chief.

00:19:45.000 He could do whatever he wants, basically.

00:19:46.000 But intel services, they're technically civilian, and you just run into...

00:19:50.000 Are they technically civilian, though?

00:19:52.000 I don't think that's true, though.

00:19:52.000 They're part military, part civilian.

00:19:53.000 It's majority military.

00:19:54.000 I feel like it's enough.

00:19:55.000 It depends.

00:19:55.000 My guess is it would just...

00:19:56.000 So, DIA and all the service branches are... 0.95

00:19:57.000 It would run into that freaking boss dock. 1.00

00:19:59.000 There's overlap. 0.97

00:20:00.000 Everyone's talking.

00:20:01.000 Jack, so explain to me how if you are intercepting communications that might have to do with the Ayatollah Khamenei that is civilian.

00:20:08.000 Explain that to me.

00:20:09.000 Because it just has to do with the way that it's scheduled.

00:20:12.000 So you could be civilian.

00:20:14.000 However, the NSA is directly a service component that works with DOD. So you've got, I'll put it this way, you've got a mix of civilian and DOD that are working together.

00:20:28.000 So like, for example, I was Navy intelligence as a civilian, but I was also working with people who were in the Navy in uniform.

00:20:37.000 So you've got...

00:20:38.000 And the NSA is, of course, under the Department of Defense, but it's got civilians who work there as well.

00:20:44.000 So it's, yeah, it's a little bit of both.

00:20:46.000 You've got your civilian, like, GS employees, but you've also got military, you've got military authorities because they're a duty agency, as well as uniformed military soldiers that are, you know, like, conducting the actual cryptological work of, as you say, intercepting, you know, the Ayatollahs or, you know, the Russians or the Chinese or whoever it is.

00:21:04.000 So the, that makes sense.

00:21:07.000 I got it.

00:21:09.000 But let's kind of take a step back or a step to the side here, Blake.

00:21:14.000 Should there be other restrictions for trans people of working in our government in period?

00:21:20.000 I mean...

00:21:22.000 And is that constitutional?

00:21:24.000 It gets tougher.

00:21:25.000 I mean, I don't think we want to say, like, just because a person is delusional or nuts, they're not allowed to have any kind of job.

00:21:32.000 But no, I mean, let's play this out, though.

00:21:33.000 I mean, hold on.

00:21:33.000 Hold on.

00:21:34.000 If someone is bipolar schizophrenic and starts screaming in their workplace, you could make an argument that person should not serve the Department of Interior.

00:21:41.000 You could. 0.93

00:21:43.000 But what if they're just, you know, I guess if they're just a perv, basically, like...

00:21:48.000 I'm asking a question.

00:21:49.000 Should...

00:21:49.000 Should trans people be allowed to serve in the federal government?

00:21:53.000 I'm a hard no.

00:21:55.000 And it's just the simple explanation that we've all been talking about.

00:22:00.000 We have to diagnose this as mental illness.

00:22:04.000 And that's what it is.

00:22:05.000 And you have to live by just a very black and white. 0.99

00:22:08.000 If you're mentally ill, you shouldn't serve the people. 1.00

00:22:11.000 And it's the same thing. 0.99

00:22:12.000 This is where I'm at.

00:22:15.000 Look, there's a place where people can decide this, and that's by electing them.

00:22:19.000 That's the beauty of the republic.

00:22:21.000 Well, like Delaware.

00:22:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:22:22.000 If you're mentally ill enough, you have a community of mentally ill people that want to elect someone to represent you that's mentally ill, great. 1.00

00:22:29.000 Be my guest. 1.00

00:22:30.000 That's your way to serve.

00:22:32.000 You shouldn't be able to simply be able to have somebody that's not mentally ill fall for this trap that we just saw for the last four years where you basically put at the highest level mentally ill people and then basically you have, again, the patients running the insane asylum.

00:22:50.000 And that's where we were at the last four years.

00:22:53.000 This is why we're in such a bad spot.

00:22:55.000 So it's got to be a hard yes or no, in my opinion.

00:22:59.000 All right.

00:23:01.000 Jack, would you like to increase the temperature of thought crime here or bring it down?

00:23:05.000 You have a choice here.

00:23:07.000 Fork in the road.

00:23:08.000 Increase.

00:23:09.000 Increase.

00:23:10.000 Again, gender dysphoria is in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

00:23:18.000 Not anymore.

00:23:21.000 DSM-4 it is, but not DSM-5.

00:23:23.000 Sorry to, you know.

00:23:24.000 I think gender dysphoria is still in four. 0.87

00:23:26.000 I am 90% sure they got rid of it.

00:23:28.000 I think it was gender disorder in four.

00:23:29.000 Let me ask.

00:23:30.000 Well, I think they have gender dysphoria, and then the cure, of course, is that you get... 1.00

00:23:33.000 No, I think they got rid of the term altogether.

00:23:35.000 Let me see.

00:23:35.000 I'm asking my perplexity.

00:23:39.000 No, you're right.

00:23:39.000 It is there, but what did I read in some book?

00:23:42.000 Keep going, Jack.

00:23:43.000 I'm not trying to...

00:23:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:45.000 So it changed from the SM4. It changed the term as a disorder to just gender dysphoria.

00:23:49.000 So let me just be clear.

00:23:50.000 Yeah, so it was gender disorder. 0.63

00:23:52.000 Gender identity disorder.

00:23:54.000 It is no longer a disorder.

00:23:55.000 So they consider it a thing, but there's nothing wrong with you.

00:23:59.000 Does that make sense?

00:24:01.000 So I guess for the insurance, yeah, so for the insurance, you have to be in the DSM as something.

00:24:06.000 Exactly.

00:24:07.000 But there's nothing wrong, but you need insurance.

00:24:11.000 But politically speaking, right, for political purposes, they have to say nothing's wrong.

00:24:16.000 But again, you're still in the manual of mental disorders.

00:24:20.000 So if you're in the manual of mental disorders, are you the type of person that should be given access to this level of information?

00:24:29.000 Are you the type of person that should be allowed a Yankee white and you can go around the president or have access to the PDB and all of these different things? 0.98

00:24:37.000 And this is a serious question that should actually be asked.

00:24:40.000 Given their own inclinations about the things that they've said regarding their disorder with identity.

00:24:47.000 It's right there.

00:24:49.000 And so this is something, by the way, which used to come up on the SF-86.

00:24:53.000 It used to be something that would be asked on the polygraph, all of which was taken away from the intelligence services, all of which was taken away from the military.

00:25:00.000 But it used to be a very obvious question.

00:25:03.000 Look, at the end of the day, these services are not made for gender experimentation and social experimentation.

00:25:09.000 The purpose of the IC is to protect people and give indications and warnings of when our country is about to be under attack or U.S. interests are about to be under attack.

00:25:20.000 This is the same intelligence community that we're told had no idea that Thomas Matthew Crooks was about to climb on a roof and take potshots at President Trump and kill Corey Campatore, the same intelligence community that got so many things wrong over the years.

00:25:36.000 And so, no, we shouldn't have to cater to every social interest or mental disorder that's out there when it comes to the intelligence community or when it comes to the military.

00:25:44.000 And it's really as simple as all that.

00:25:48.000 Okay, let's go to Luigi.

00:25:50.000 Alright, I want to read one last quote from them just because it was so amazing.

00:25:54.000 This is one of the ones from the NSA chat.

00:25:56.000 Hi.

00:25:57.000 It, its user here.

00:25:58.000 That's their pronouns.

00:25:59.000 They're an it.

00:26:00.000 While I understand we can make some people uncomfortable, keep in mind that the dehumanizing aspect, either A, doesn't apply, or B, is a positive effect when we're requesting it.

00:26:11.000 Yeah, totally sane person.

00:26:13.000 Okay, yeah, ban them. 0.98

00:26:14.000 Kick them out. 0.84

00:26:15.000 Alright, there we go.

00:26:16.000 Now we're on to Luigi.

00:26:17.000 Alright, so this is an amazing story that just happened.

00:26:22.000 So, obviously...

00:26:25.000 We've got Luigi.

00:26:26.000 Let me bring it up here.

00:26:27.000 So, Luigi, the shooter guy, is still Luigi Mangione, who is in prison.

00:26:33.000 To remind everyone, he assassinated the United Healthcare CEO. Shot him in the back.

00:26:37.000 Parable. 0.95

00:26:38.000 Allegedly!

00:26:40.000 Allegedly!

00:26:40.000 Even though it's on camera.

00:26:42.000 And so, apparently, this is reported in The Mirror.

00:26:45.000 So, it's a tabloid, but it's probably true.

00:26:48.000 It's just too trashy for normal publications to do it.

00:26:51.000 Apparently...

00:26:51.000 Luigi Mangioni has had to ask fans to limit the number of photos that are sent to him by fans in prison to five apiece because police are complaining that they have to review all the photos he's receiving from fans.

00:27:07.000 He's also receiving many tens of thousands of dollars, actually I think over $100,000 in donations to his legal defense fund.

00:27:14.000 Someone sent him $30,000 recently on his whatever crowdfunding site is.

00:27:21.000 And there's a lot of fandom for Luigi.

00:27:25.000 I think we very much have to consider the idea that you could get a hung jury from a deranged leftist who's just in favor of what he did.

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00:28:36.000 So, Jack, you believe you have clarity on the why.

00:28:42.000 I seek to know, okay, so I seek to understand the phenomena here.

00:28:47.000 I think what he did was in total cold blood.

00:28:49.000 I just think it's disgusting.

00:28:52.000 Why do so many people, not just, so there's two elements here.

00:28:57.000 There's the Kaczynski, I get that, okay, girls like bad boys, they don't have fathers around, they don't have a boyfriend, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, okay, fine. 0.92

00:29:05.000 You know, that's one, you know, one other thing.

00:29:08.000 The other part is, why is there mass quiet support for what he did?

00:29:14.000 Does that make sense?

00:29:14.000 So there's two elements here.

00:29:16.000 Of course.

00:29:17.000 The bad boy phenomena, I'm not that interested in.

00:29:19.000 That's been well documented from Kaczynski to Eric Rudolph.

00:29:23.000 Ted Bundy.

00:29:24.000 Ted Bundy.

00:29:25.000 That's been figured out.

00:29:28.000 Help me understand.

00:29:29.000 Ted Bundy got married.

00:29:29.000 Right.

00:29:30.000 Help me understand the other part, please.

00:29:33.000 Yeah, Charlie.

00:29:33.000 So the reason that the far left lionizes...

00:29:39.000 Luigi Mangione.

00:29:40.000 By the way, they keep saying, you know, they keep saying, oh, he's innocent.

00:29:43.000 Luigi's innocent.

00:29:44.000 I said, well, if he's innocent, why do you love him so much if he didn't do anything?

00:29:47.000 Or if he didn't do anything, why do you love him so much?

00:29:49.000 This was the thesis of my New York Times bestseller last year on humans, how the secret history of communist revolutions and how to crush them.

00:29:58.000 And we described the far left and communists as people who would support and love.

00:30:06.000 A character like Luigi Mangione.

00:30:08.000 We specifically said that these are the types of individuals who they would support because we said they're...

00:30:15.000 Look, the communists will tell you all day long they support justice and equality.

00:30:20.000 And the cultural Marxist, of course, will talk about identity and diversity and race and gender and all these things we were just talking about in the last segment.

00:30:29.000 But in reality, that's not true.

00:30:31.000 That's not what actually drives them.

00:30:34.000 The unhuman, right, the communist, it's an intense hatred of beauty, success, those who thrive, anyone who they view as prosperous, viewing them as oppressors that need to be torn down.

00:30:48.000 They believe in this oppressor class versus oppressed class.

00:30:51.000 And here's the key, by the way, Charlie, here's the key way to, I think, make anyone see.

00:30:56.000 The difference between what Mangione did and how it's not actually about, oh, healthcare companies or anything.

00:31:04.000 Which, by the way, you know, the left, of course, were the same people who told us that we were supposed to love healthcare and healthcare is great.

00:31:09.000 These were during COVID-19 that we're supposed to listen to the healthcare and trust the experts. 0.98

00:31:13.000 But suddenly, oh, no, go and kill them at the same time. 0.94

00:31:16.000 You're like, wait a minute. 1.00

00:31:17.000 This is complete doublespeak.

00:31:18.000 But to the leftist, to the communist, it's not.

00:31:22.000 And Charlie, I'll explain why.

00:31:24.000 It has nothing to do with his direct position.

00:31:27.000 Even though he was wealthy, he was certainly wealthy, but actually, ironically, or perhaps not ironically, the individual, Luigi Mangione, his family was actually more wealthy than his victim, his alleged victim here, the CEO. But what is he really, Charlie?

00:31:45.000 He's a successful, white, heterosexual...

00:31:48.000 Male.

00:31:49.000 And in cultural Marxism, so all forms of Marxism have a specific enemy.

00:31:54.000 They have a specific devil, to use Eric Hoffer's phrase.

00:31:58.000 So not all mass movements require a God, but all mass movements require a devil. 0.64

00:32:03.000 The mass movement devil right now is white, male, heterosexual, Christian. 0.92

00:32:09.000 You add all of these things together, and that is what they cheer the killing of, especially if you're successful. 0.86

00:32:15.000 Now, let me ask you this question, Charlie.

00:32:16.000 If that...

00:32:18.000 Healthcare, if this was really about healthcare, do you think they'd be just as cavalier?

00:32:22.000 You mentioned turning up the temperature.

00:32:24.000 Do you think they'd be just as cavalier about cheering on Luigi Maggioni if the healthcare CEO, hypothetically, I'm not talking about anyone in real life, but if he had been, oh, I don't know, a black male CEO in a committed same-sex marriage.

00:32:39.000 Then, of course, they wouldn't be cheering him on.

00:32:41.000 They wouldn't be excited.

00:32:42.000 They wouldn't be happy about this.

00:32:43.000 They're doing so because he took out one of their individual targets that they view as part of the enemy class in society and have taken all of that incipient rage and deceptiveness and destructiveness and obsession with power and nihilism and turned it against.

00:33:03.000 You, the white male over class.

00:33:06.000 And this guy went further than anyone else has been willing to go thus far.

00:33:11.000 Well, can I add this too?

00:33:13.000 The scariest part about this whole thing, we've talked about this at length before.

00:33:16.000 I was well said, Jack.

00:33:18.000 On this show.

00:33:19.000 And to piggyback on Jack's entire, you know, his entire mantra is talking about this and educating on this, is when you get the communists together and normalize it, We've talked about if the communists in the country and the BLM folks and everyone else became nationalistic, that's a very scary moment.

00:33:43.000 We've said this on this program.

00:33:44.000 If they get smart on immigration, crime, and trans, those are the three things. 1.00

00:33:50.000 And that's the scary part about this thing is it normalizes the normalizing of the hatred for this executive, which I've seen a ton of stuff from very normal people posting.

00:34:02.000 And again, I don't know if you guys have seen it with friends and wives and things like that, but my wife has seen people really aggrandizing. 0.96

00:34:11.000 And it's scary because it's the normalizing of this very communist behavior that Jack just so eloquently went through.

00:34:19.000 I'm looking at his defense fund right now.

00:34:20.000 It is $618,000 as of this moment.

00:34:24.000 Just some of the quotes.

00:34:25.000 These are people within the last hour.

00:34:27.000 Maybe the next healthcare CEO that gets whacked, it will be done by someone more professional who knows what they're doing and won't advertise it.

00:34:34.000 Keep up the good work from New Zealand.

00:34:36.000 The shooter is a hero who assassinated a terrorist leader.

00:34:41.000 Let's see.

00:34:44.000 Mangione for President.

00:34:49.000 Free My Homie.

00:34:52.000 More free my homies.

00:34:54.000 Yeah, so let's take a step back, Blake.

00:34:55.000 I think this is important.

00:34:56.000 When I talk to boomers about this, they're kind of really disconnected from it, not to criticize them. 0.94

00:35:00.000 Can you please educate how much of a cultural icon he has become?

00:35:04.000 Oh, enormous.

00:35:05.000 Explain it, because I talk to all the people, like, what do you mean he's a criminalist, terrible, nobody likes him?

00:35:09.000 No, talk about how there's real viral subterranean momentum for this guy.

00:35:13.000 Okay, so yeah, first of all, the reason they don't see it, a ton of it is on TikTok, it's on Instagram, it's on platforms they're not on.

00:35:19.000 Frankly, it's weird to say it helps a lot that his name is Luigi Mangione.

00:35:24.000 And so if people are familiar with Super Mario, Mario's brother is Luigi.

00:35:29.000 That's an important component.

00:35:29.000 It made it very easy to, you know, you can go on the AI platforms and you can make AI images where it's like Luigi assassinating a healthcare CEO or you make the CEO guy.

00:35:40.000 We have one right there.

00:35:42.000 You have Luigi assassinating Bowser in a business suit.

00:35:45.000 And so it's really easy to, it was very easy to kind of turn it into a visible, I hate to say the word, but fun thing.

00:35:54.000 You're taking this children's video game that's very colorful, you know, you've got those Luigi hats, you can buy those online anywhere.

00:36:00.000 He also comes off not psycho too, right?

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:03.000 Well, I mean, again, I say this as with a staunch, unblemished record of heterosexuality, he seems to be a good-looking guy.

00:36:09.000 It seems so.

00:36:11.000 He's good looking.

00:36:11.000 So you got the Jody Arias situation.

00:36:14.000 Can we get the Seinfeld clip of the unblemished record of heterosexuality?

00:36:18.000 I mean, I look at Luigi and I say, okay, he...

00:36:21.000 Do you agree, Blake?

00:36:22.000 Blake, by the way, if you're afraid to talk about this, then...

00:36:25.000 No, I'm just...

00:36:26.000 I feel like you guys are always protesting your heterosexuality and then you're like, well, Lord of the Rings felt really gay when I watched it. 0.67

00:36:32.000 Every movie I watch feels really gay when I watch it. 0.97

00:36:35.000 We cannot spit out. 0.71

00:36:37.000 Do you want to go back to the Reddit topic?

00:36:41.000 Or do we want to kind of stay?

00:36:42.000 Look, I'm just saying.

00:36:45.000 The thing that really is bizarre to me about the normalization of this guy is, and this is what's scary, and I think this, again, piggybacks on what everything that Jack is saying, is that the more figures like this that make this proletarian type behavior Normal is going to not help in the broader context of how the direction the country needs to go.

00:37:13.000 So the thing that I think freaks me the most out, again, about communists is if they become everyday type people.

00:37:22.000 It's the same thing that the left says about how they view right-wing anarchists that want to demolish government.

00:37:30.000 The more normal it's become.

00:37:31.000 And our side has done a better job at having more normal figures in general.

00:37:36.000 Obviously not crazy people killing people on the street.

00:37:39.000 But that's communism. 0.77

00:37:41.000 That's what communism is, is crazy people killing people on the street and the normalization of that.

00:37:46.000 I mean, that literally is 1917 Russian Revolution. 0.50

00:37:49.000 Forget even just Russia. 0.69

00:37:50.000 Every single communist revolution has been like that.

00:37:52.000 You know, the biggest, greatest, most successful version of it in Russia, you know, you could argue is that's where, you know, that's that.

00:38:02.000 That is the binding element.

00:38:04.000 And that's what's so scary about this situation is this almost has the elements is if he was more of a political figure and more well-known, where would we be right now?

00:38:13.000 I mean, that's a scary thought.

00:38:15.000 So here's a possible thought.

00:38:18.000 So let's say Luigi Mangione goes on trial and he 100% doesn't contest he did it.

00:38:24.000 They're overt defenses.

00:38:25.000 I did it.

00:38:26.000 It was a good thing.

00:38:27.000 Jury nullification.

00:38:28.000 And the jury nullifies it.

00:38:30.000 And they vote that way.

00:38:32.000 He's a free man.

00:38:32.000 He's a free man?

00:38:33.000 What if Trump said, okay, and he drone strikes him?

00:38:37.000 Well, no.

00:38:37.000 Trump shouldn't find federal charges against him.

00:38:39.000 I mean, there's got to be some interstate law that he broke, conspiracy to commit murder.

00:38:43.000 At that moment, you've got to bring the DOJ in, take him out of New York.

00:38:46.000 I'm not kidding.

00:38:47.000 Put him on trial in like Trumpsburg, Alabama or something?

00:38:51.000 I'm not making a joke.

00:38:52.000 I'm saying I guarantee you there's some sort of...

00:38:54.000 In fact...

00:38:55.000 This is an important thing.

00:38:56.000 I might message Pam Bondi about it, also because I'm saying it public or privately.

00:39:00.000 The Fed should quietly be building a case just in case of, okay, was he sending text messages?

00:39:07.000 Because he fled across state lines, right?

00:39:09.000 All this stuff, you can get him for more, I don't want to say ticky-tack.

00:39:14.000 Less, one second, Jack.

00:39:15.000 Less, like, okay, not just the murder itself, which I think does also violate, by the way, federal law.

00:39:20.000 You're not allowed to murder.

00:39:22.000 There's a federal terrorism charge now.

00:39:24.000 Yeah, and by the way, the local prosecutor should have some humility.

00:39:28.000 If he feels as if it's going, just drop the charges.

00:39:31.000 Meaning you could basically do a motion to dismiss before the jury meets, and then you could refile.

00:39:36.000 Does that make, right?

00:39:37.000 As soon as the jury comes and says not guilty, it's double jeopardy.

00:39:41.000 You literally can't.

00:39:43.000 But yeah, I mean, I think that there is a place...

00:39:46.000 Now understand, though, if one Hongjur, that doesn't mean that he's acquitted, though.

00:39:51.000 No, then they could rebrand him.

00:39:52.000 So he's going to spend the rest of his life in some sort of...

00:39:55.000 This is too graphic.

00:39:56.000 I think we're not at a place now where we're going to allow this guy back on the streets.

00:40:00.000 Unless you have like a Munich-type situation go on and you turn him into a political figure.

00:40:07.000 I mean, this is literally Munich...

00:40:10.000 You mean with Hitler? 0.82

00:40:11.000 Yeah.

00:40:11.000 All right.

00:40:12.000 So just so we're clear, this is me with Luigi Maggioni.

00:40:16.000 Play Cup 153. Can I say one thing to you?

00:40:19.000 And I say this with an unblemished record of staunch heterosexuality.

00:40:23.000 Absolutely.

00:40:25.000 It's fabulous.

00:40:29.000 You can't say fabulous now.

00:40:30.000 It's so good.

00:40:32.000 That was okay, so George could still get away with it.

00:40:34.000 What I was going to say, and I think Tyler was kind of good at it too, is like, you lock him up without dealing with any of the underlying pieces of it, that you just make him a martyr, right?

00:40:43.000 You just make him a political prisoner.

00:40:47.000 And that's not going to actually do anything to change the public perception of him.

00:40:51.000 And in fact, it's going to...

00:40:52.000 I mean, you look at some of the horrific people that Joe Biden pardoned on the way out, and they've done the exact same thing with them.

00:40:59.000 The guy who murdered those FBI agents or some of the horrific killers that you see getting rehabilitated in. 0.97

00:41:06.000 Again, I'll go back to the true crime community because they're just so awful and disgusting and leftist. 0.85

00:41:11.000 And they'll find just, you know, Julius Jones, Rodney Reed, you know, these horrific, unrepentant murderers and try to say or that. 0.85

00:41:19.000 It was the guy in Baltimore, the one with the New York Times podcast, etc.

00:41:24.000 And they'll just say, oh, gosh, it was a case of mistaken identity.

00:41:27.000 It was racism, whatever.

00:41:29.000 So we got to let him out.

00:41:30.000 And in some of those cases, they do actually get out, Charlie, like you're saying.

00:41:34.000 The bigger, I think, issue, though, here is this stuff is normalized because we live in a society.

00:41:40.000 Where a Gini coefficient is getting really bad and the Gini coefficient is, it literally means just the disparity between the haves and the have-nots.

00:41:48.000 So this is where Trump comes in and says, look, you know, we can actually work to make the middle class better.

00:41:55.000 We can make life better for the working class and stop screwing them over and not making the rich get so fabulously wealthy.

00:42:03.000 Trump, hopefully, if he's successful, if his project of populist nationalism is successful, and people really do change their ways, I mean, like the Republican Party actually moves to a populist nationalist model and stops trying to flood us with, like, cheap migrant labor into the heartland of the country, then maybe we can get to a place where, as living standards go up, support for insane nutjob communists, like... 0.90

00:42:28.000 Like Mangione goes down.

00:42:30.000 The problem is if, say, you know, we hadn't gotten on that, gotten on that path of having Trump involved.

00:42:36.000 And actually getting to a populist, nationalist, moderate approach to dealing with these issues, then, yes, there would be a huge appetite for real, full-on communism in this country.

00:42:48.000 And you definitely see that expressed with the support for Luigi Maggioni.

00:42:52.000 That's what it really is.

00:42:53.000 They want to see more people shot in the streets.

00:42:56.000 They want to see probably all four of us on this podcast shot in the streets, and they would have our children taken away and given off to whatever couple wanted to adopt them. 0.98

00:43:04.000 And they would cheer.

00:43:06.000 They would absolutely cheer to watch it happen.

00:43:09.000 And how do we know this?

00:43:10.000 Well, just go look at their chat rooms.

00:43:12.000 Of course.

00:43:13.000 We get death threats all the time.

00:43:14.000 That's who these people are.

00:43:16.000 So, yeah.

00:43:17.000 So does this teach us anything about our politics that we should be concerned about?

00:43:22.000 Well, I'll just interject this.

00:43:24.000 I think the mistake is to look at him like a Ted Bundy or a Jody Arias.

00:43:31.000 And just look at him for good looks.

00:43:34.000 Oh, he's wooing the women.

00:43:36.000 I think that's actually a piece to what we're talking about.

00:43:39.000 And it's really important for people to be really well-educated on this is that there is a much deeper, bigger problem politically here that Jack, again, led into this entire thing with is that this is a way bigger issue.

00:43:53.000 This is not just a simple dismiss the murderer type thing.

00:43:56.000 I'm going to mention something Blake's not going to like.

00:43:59.000 FBI launched an investigation into James Comey.

00:44:02.000 Oh, we'll see.

00:44:04.000 Are you okay with that one?

00:44:05.000 Because of an off-the-books honeypot operation targeting 2016 Trump campaign.

00:44:12.000 That's big.

00:44:13.000 That's interesting if that's a honeypot operation.

00:44:15.000 I'd love to see the details on that.

00:44:16.000 This all ties in with Dan Bongino going in.

00:44:18.000 So new leadership at the FBI is starting an investigation into the origins of the agency's plan a decade ago to infiltrate Trump's campaign using two female undercover honeypot agents.

00:44:31.000 That is crazy if true.

00:44:33.000 Holy cow. 0.89

00:44:34.000 This is reported as fact.

00:44:35.000 One second, Jack.

00:44:36.000 The off-the-books investigation, launched in 2015 by James Comey, was revealed by an agency whistleblower in a protected disclosure to the House Judiciary Committee last year and was first reported exclusively by Washington Times.

00:44:50.000 So this apparently has been out there.

00:44:51.000 Wow.

00:44:52.000 And the intel community, in the intel community, Honeypot commonly refers to an undercover operative, usually a woman, who feigns sexual or romantic interest to obtain information from a target.

00:45:01.000 Jack.

00:45:01.000 So, what...

00:45:03.000 This is actually good.

00:45:05.000 This is very, very good that this is happening because the communists will not stop until they are stopped. 0.95

00:45:13.000 So we talked about how we've got these gay race communists in our intel communities. 0.98

00:45:19.000 I seem to remember a certain senator from Wisconsin telling us that communists were taking over the CIA, but I digress.

00:45:24.000 And now we know, of course, that we've got communists all throughout the DOJ and the prior iteration of the FBI. And the issue with fighting communism is one thing that we learned throughout all of this is that the only way to actually stop communism is to stop the communists themselves.

00:45:44.000 You're not going to win, you know, you're not going to go up to some ardent Luigi Maggioni supporter and say, stop supporting him!

00:45:51.000 Come on, man!

00:45:52.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:45:53.000 What you have to do is you have to find the individuals and you have the people who have actually broken the law in furtherance of their radical ideology.

00:46:02.000 So we're obviously seeing that here.

00:46:04.000 We saw that throughout 2016, 2017, anyone who was around for the Trump 45 administration certainly saw that.

00:46:11.000 You find them, and it's not going to end until you reach parity.

00:46:17.000 With the understanding that we're not going to use this insane lawfare anymore.

00:46:22.000 The only way you get rid of that is through mutually assured destruction.

00:46:27.000 It's called the Code of Hammurabi. 0.98

00:46:29.000 And the reason it works is because that's what creates the essentials for allowing civilization to prosper.

00:46:35.000 The communist is against civilization.

00:46:37.000 The communist wants to use the tools of civilization to destroy you, to destroy their enemies, destroy everything else.

00:46:43.000 But of course, what ends up happening, civilization is disrupted and dissolved.

00:46:47.000 Because that's what they've done.

00:46:49.000 They've destroyed the very tapestry and the infrastructure that allows civilization to be possible.

00:46:54.000 These basic ideas of laws that are just, laws that actually provide a limit to what you respond with.

00:47:03.000 And so the only way to re-insure that is you've got to fight fire with fire.

00:47:09.000 And that's exactly what they're doing here.

00:47:10.000 I completely applaud this, and I back it 100%.

00:47:15.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:48:18.000 Let's go to AI singularity.

00:48:20.000 Alright, so the starting point of this is just that Elon Musk tweeted a few days ago, just one of his one-liners, that the AI singularity is near?

00:48:30.000 Is that what he tweeted?

00:48:31.000 It was...

00:48:33.000 Yeah, so we are on the event horizon of the singularity.

00:48:37.000 That's the tipping point of a black hole where you can't get out of it, basically.

00:48:41.000 And so for those who missed it, the singularity is the idea that we could improve AI to the point where an AI is smarter than a human.

00:48:51.000 And the AI is therefore capable of improving itself.

00:48:54.000 But we were still about 10 years out from that, right?

00:48:56.000 It was one of those things we were perpetually 10 years out from for decades on end since it was coined.

00:49:02.000 And then I think with the chat GPT thing taking off a couple years ago, it feels suddenly much more relevant that we could be close to that.

00:49:09.000 We've seen the AI models have gotten a lot better in the last two years.

00:49:13.000 They've gotten a lot better in the last six months.

00:49:16.000 Our allegedly abilities that are behind the scenes and are not public yet, that are getting better and better and better.

00:49:22.000 The question is, would it ever reach the point where, as it was, if they...

00:49:27.000 Are able to improve themselves without our input.

00:49:30.000 The idea is you could just turn on the AI and it's able to go run away, improve itself, make more AIs, make better AIs.

00:49:37.000 And then in theory, within a matter of... 0.98

00:49:39.000 Kill us all. 1.00

00:49:40.000 Not even just kill us all. 1.00

00:49:41.000 There are people who think this is paradise.

00:49:43.000 We have the AI and it solves all of our problems.

00:49:46.000 You could set it off and then...

00:49:48.000 A month that comes back and it says, I've advanced physics and chemistry and biology by a thousand years each, and I figured out how to make unlimited food and unlimited energy, and we can sail to the stars, and you're all immortal now.

00:50:00.000 That's in theory what the good singularity could be.

00:50:02.000 The bad singularity is it becomes a runaway intelligence, and it decides to turn all of us into paperclips.

00:50:07.000 Yeah, so I think the first concern is that the amount of physical energy that it takes to do that, I don't think the infrastructure has been built yet.

00:50:15.000 Like, that's an actual problem.

00:50:16.000 It is.

00:50:17.000 Like, the data servers alone.

00:50:18.000 And this is interesting.

00:50:19.000 While the people are saying we might be on the event horizon, Microsoft just canceled a ton of leases for their AI servers.

00:50:25.000 Did you see that story?

00:50:26.000 I did not.

00:50:27.000 They just said, like, oh, sorry, we're not advancing this.

00:50:29.000 Yeah, really interesting.

00:50:30.000 So everyone's bullish on AI. Microsoft, $3 trillion.

00:50:34.000 Yeah, and they're like, sorry, we've got to slow this down a little bit.

00:50:38.000 We can't quite keep up with it.

00:50:40.000 The amount of physical energy it takes to power AI. We have that capacity.

00:50:46.000 That infrastructure is not built.

00:50:47.000 So it's like a million times more energy intense than mining Bitcoin.

00:50:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:53.000 It is very interesting because each, you know, they have to train these basically.

00:50:58.000 And the training is you're just feeding it essentially every image, every sentence, every piece of music ever created to find all the patterns.

00:51:06.000 And every time they upgrade it, so we started with, you know, GPT-1, GPT-2, and of course all the spinoffs.

00:51:11.000 Kind of every time they upgrade the quality, apparently the amount of energy they have to put into training it is like an order of magnitude higher.

00:51:17.000 No, that's right.

00:51:17.000 And we don't yet have the infrastructure to do that.

00:51:21.000 And we now have insane demand for AI. So what we're about to see is an AI traffic jam, the likes of which that really is going to tick people off.

00:51:30.000 But the flip side of this is also crazy, which is, have you heard about DeepSeek?

00:51:35.000 Yeah, the Chinese thing. 0.82

00:51:36.000 So the Chinese thing, but what's crazy with the DeepSeek... 0.99

00:51:38.000 I know more about AI than I do about pop culture.

00:51:39.000 What's crazy with DeepSeek is that the Chinese, according to themselves, people have wondered if it's true, but the people who made DeepSeek claim they trained this AI, which is not quite as good, but almost as good as the top-end models we have, and they reportedly did it much cheaper and much faster.

00:51:56.000 I know, but they're communists.

00:51:57.000 They're probably lying.

00:51:58.000 Even if it's half.

00:51:59.000 But there's a lot of cope about China.

00:52:00.000 Have you seen this video of the AI talking to each other?

00:52:03.000 There's cope, but I did actually see, Blake, I did actually see there was some reporting that it looked like they had trained DeepSeek from OpenAI.

00:52:15.000 So they had already used an iteration of OpenAI that existed, I guess ChatGPT or one of the GPTs that's out there, and that had used it just...

00:52:23.000 Like building on what was already out there, which would certainly go along with how China operates.

00:52:29.000 I don't think that China would be precluded from creating something like this, by the way.

00:52:34.000 And Charlie, to your point about the massive energy expenditures, I mean, China loves their mega projects.

00:52:39.000 There's nothing that China loves more than mega projects.

00:52:41.000 Yeah, so I'm not believing that singularity is going to be hit anytime soon.

00:52:49.000 And here's why.

00:52:50.000 You know the singularity paradox?

00:52:52.000 That you actually never know if it hits singularity?

00:52:55.000 Like, with an actual singularity?

00:52:57.000 That's right, or the tech one?

00:52:58.000 No, because the AI right now could tell you that it's self-aware, but it's actually not self-aware.

00:53:01.000 It's just parroting something that it read on the internet, knowing that that's what you say when it's singular.

00:53:05.000 It's like the Turing test.

00:53:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:06.000 So you actually don't know if it's ever...

00:53:09.000 So you actually will never know if singularity is actually ever reached.

00:53:11.000 Well, the singularity just describes how fast it can improve.

00:53:14.000 Well, no.

00:53:14.000 Technically, singularity means that it is self-aware.

00:53:17.000 That it knows it is a machine, and you are not.

00:53:19.000 That's sentience.

00:53:20.000 That's sentience, I think.

00:53:21.000 No, I think that's singularity, isn't it, Jack?

00:53:23.000 Singularity is the point of just logarithmic improvement, I believe, is what that usually refers to.

00:53:28.000 No, I think I'm right, aren't I, Ryan?

00:53:30.000 I think I'm...

00:53:31.000 Did I just correct...

00:53:32.000 Did I just fact-check Blake?

00:53:34.000 I don't think...

00:53:34.000 Ryan says, no, Blake, you're actually wrong for once.

00:53:37.000 This is what...

00:53:37.000 No, no.

00:53:38.000 Hey, hold on, hold on.

00:53:39.000 Charlie just corrected Blake.

00:53:41.000 Charlie, why don't you read the first line of technological singularity here?

00:53:45.000 Time out.

00:53:45.000 This is a hypothetical point in which the technological growth goes uncontrollably, irreversible, resulting in unforeseeable consequence.

00:53:53.000 But I need to read this whole thing.

00:53:55.000 Well, it's...

00:53:56.000 I think Charlie, what you're saying is probably the more common way of saying it.

00:54:00.000 Sorry, I'm not going to consider the point that I'm wrong.

00:54:02.000 I think the official phrase is like, when it surpasses us.

00:54:06.000 Yeah, so...

00:54:07.000 So let me just...

00:54:08.000 But you're basically saying the same thing.

00:54:10.000 Let me ask you a provocative question.

00:54:12.000 And I could do AI all day long because I think it's the most interesting thing happening.

00:54:16.000 I think everything else is a distraction.

00:54:17.000 I think AI is the most important thing happening on the planet right now.

00:54:19.000 Like, more important than everything.

00:54:22.000 And I actually think it can be really exciting and also terrifying.

00:54:25.000 If singularity is reached, Jack, is it a species?

00:54:30.000 You know, what's funny is, so I rewatched The Matrix last weekend, and I guess I forgot how much of the buildup in that movie is, it's all based around AI. It's all based around...

00:54:46.000 You know, AI becomes self-aware and then they eventually become a breakaway species from us.

00:54:52.000 And then they launch a war with us, humans, and then humans black out the sky because the AIs are all solar powered. 0.95

00:55:00.000 And that's what creates this huge dystopia, which then causes the robots to want to make, you know, make humans into their batteries.

00:55:07.000 And that's what they create the Matrix for.

00:55:10.000 Kind of hand-waving a few things.

00:55:13.000 There's probably other power sources out there than human beings.

00:55:15.000 But still, the idea that your AI can eventually...

00:55:19.000 Actually, Charlie, the craziest video that I saw this weekend for everybody was...

00:55:24.000 And I'm sure this was probably an ad, but has anyone seen that video of the AI agents talking to each other?

00:55:31.000 Yeah, I was just talking about it.

00:55:33.000 That was the thing that went viral this week that everybody was looking at.

00:55:37.000 It was so viral.

00:55:38.000 Yeah.

00:55:40.000 I mean, it's probably a little bit, you know, set up.

00:55:43.000 So the idea of an AI agent is sort of like...

00:55:46.000 You know, hey, we got to book travel or we've got to book a, you know, Charlie's got Turning Point's got a, you know, a series of campus stops and, you know, Charlie Kirk's coming in.

00:55:55.000 We need this much crew.

00:55:56.000 We need this much time.

00:55:57.000 We need permits, et cetera.

00:55:58.000 So you would get an AI agent that would go in and, you know, do all that busy work for you, make the phone calls and go through all the logistics work of it.

00:56:06.000 Or, you know, when Amvest is going on and everyone's got to deal with all that, you would get an AI agent.

00:56:11.000 So, you know, Turning Point Actions event staff would get.

00:56:15.000 Didn't AI agents do all those phone calls and one that can speak?

00:56:18.000 Well, in this video, an AI agent, and it's planning a wedding in the video, which I'm sure is an ad, but it realizes that the person that they're speaking to over the phone is in fact an AI agent for the wedding venue, which is a hotel in this case.

00:56:35.000 And so they say, oh, do you want to switch to jibberspeak?

00:56:38.000 And jibberspeak is this like...

00:56:40.000 Basically, it sounds like a dial-up modem for anyone who remembers what that sound is.

00:56:44.000 And you just hear these two computers going back and forth.

00:56:50.000 And yeah, I mean, I don't know how you describe that other than this is another species that we are creating right now.

00:56:58.000 So the question then is also, what's so interesting is that it's a species just on a server that technically exists at the will of us.

00:57:06.000 If you take a hammer, you could destroy the species.

00:57:08.000 Yeah.

00:57:09.000 Does the species get rights?

00:57:10.000 Or what if they can create more instances of themselves?

00:57:14.000 But how?

00:57:15.000 How do they physically expand beyond a server?

00:57:18.000 That's where it starts to get interesting.

00:57:20.000 Technically, they're literally just housed on a server.

00:57:23.000 Is the most technical way that you can...

00:57:25.000 It's going to be illegal to ever decommission a server?

00:57:28.000 No, I mean, look, I think...

00:57:29.000 And by the way, it could multiply itself through robots.

00:57:32.000 And robots are coming very quickly.

00:57:34.000 Yeah.

00:57:35.000 Way more so than...

00:57:36.000 By the way, I have a whole conspiracy theory.

00:57:38.000 The media is underplaying the advancement of robots.

00:57:41.000 Totally.

00:57:42.000 And if you talk to the smart tech investors, they're fully functional.

00:57:45.000 They're ready to go.

00:57:47.000 The rollout is coming.

00:57:48.000 Mass unemployment is around the corner.

00:57:51.000 Why would you not run a...

00:57:53.000 How is that not the number one story?

00:57:56.000 Again, we're talking about systemic racism or Doge.

00:57:59.000 All that stuff is interesting.

00:58:00.000 There is this barreling train that's about to change everything.

00:58:04.000 Change the species as we know it.

00:58:08.000 Automated vehicles, robot vehicles.

00:58:10.000 I will say in the short term, I am more bullish on AI because I think it actually can make human beings better what we already do.

00:58:16.000 My fear is that that's going to be a short-lived window.

00:58:18.000 It's going to be like a 5-10 year...

00:58:21.000 We need to consider it a priority.

00:58:24.000 To figure this out?

00:58:25.000 To figure it out and to make sure that the benefits are widely distributed as opposed to the possibility is just the guy who owns the robot owns everything.

00:58:34.000 All of these are moral questions and that's why it comes back to why we're conservatives, not libertarians.

00:58:39.000 That's why I think it's the most interesting thing that's facing humanity is that it all comes back to, well, we need a neutral public space.

00:58:44.000 There is no neutral public space or AI. You need to make truth claims.

00:58:48.000 Do human beings matter?

00:58:50.000 Does life matter?

00:58:51.000 Who gets the stuff?

00:58:53.000 Why do they get that stuff?

00:58:54.000 AI is going to force us into the most important moral conversation since Christ.

00:58:59.000 I really believe that.

00:59:00.000 To take a step back for a moment, think about what this shows you about politics.

00:59:04.000 If you went back 2016, Trump was running for president, and you told them, yeah, in 10 years, by far the biggest political issue is going to be how we handle AI and robots, because they're going to replace absolutely everyone, and that's going to be way more important than the border, for example.

00:59:18.000 And it would feel wild to say that.

00:59:21.000 The border won't even matter.

00:59:22.000 Yeah, it'll render the border irrelevant because it'll just be the machines are replacing everyone.

00:59:26.000 And it shows how quick, like, an issue can feel obsolete or come out of nowhere to be the biggest thing.

00:59:30.000 The machines will build the wall.

00:59:32.000 And, like, terrorism.

00:59:33.000 No one will ever be talking about, like, terrorism as a big issue.

00:59:36.000 Wait, so what's going to happen then in this country?

00:59:38.000 We were just talking about the communism thing.

00:59:39.000 What's going to happen when we've got all these imported cheap foreign laborers from the H-2B and H-1B and all the rest of these programs, and now they can't get jobs because we've got robots doing all of it? 0.54

00:59:51.000 Listen, we're going towards a mass social welfare state, and the only way that they're going to be able to...

00:59:56.000 There's going to be a robot tax where every robot that is working is going to be like $50,000 a year to the government that you're going to have to pay that will go to a UBIT. That idea has been floated.

01:00:04.000 That's where we're heading.

01:00:05.000 It's coming very quickly.

01:00:07.000 And there will be a short window where companies are going to be able to use robots to maximize profits.

01:00:11.000 There'll be huge worker strikes.

01:00:12.000 Congress will meet.

01:00:13.000 There'll be like $50,000 tax per robot as a user tax.

01:00:16.000 So it's like, hey, if you replace a human being, you have to pay for a human being, basically.

01:00:20.000 It's going to be a one for one.

01:00:21.000 Well, those big monopolies will take...

01:00:23.000 Take total control of everything in that small window.

01:00:26.000 Of course.

01:00:27.000 And so I'm saying, like, these are insane questions that we're facing.

01:00:31.000 But at the other side, there's incredibly bullish interpretations to the sector that I'm most excited about, not on the mRNA vaccine thing, but just the number one problem with medicine and health care is data.

01:00:44.000 No one knows what you have, your background.

01:00:46.000 Why is it?

01:00:47.000 Does someone else in Singapore also have your condition?

01:00:49.000 What helped for them?

01:00:50.000 What's their full history?

01:00:52.000 Read your genome.

01:00:53.000 Read all your sorts of different diet, your blood work.

01:00:57.000 No human being can possibly do it.

01:00:59.000 It's not possible.

01:01:00.000 There's millions of data inputs that come to our, do you have a predisposition to cancer?

01:01:05.000 Are you developing a heart problem?

01:01:06.000 AI, the most exciting advancement of all of it?

01:01:10.000 Is how it could reduce unjust suffering.

01:01:13.000 Without a doubt, the most exciting.

01:01:14.000 Imagine if Trump came in and said, we're going to spend $10 billion to figure out how to use AI to make Medicare and Medicaid more efficient.

01:01:21.000 Yes, we're just saying, we're going to find out if you have a predisposition to cancer by age 35. The technology there is there.

01:01:28.000 We already run the VA hospitals.

01:01:30.000 We're going to do VA hospitals to figure out how to treat people and reduce the number of staff.

01:01:37.000 The scary ramifications...

01:01:40.000 Hey, Charlie.

01:01:40.000 Okay, Jack, yes.

01:01:42.000 And I was going to say, what about...

01:01:44.000 We know there's a certain percentage of people who have adverse effects to marijuana.

01:01:50.000 Like, we know there's a certain amount of people who take it and do get what they, you know, they used to refer to this as reefer madness.

01:01:56.000 Some people get it, some people don't.

01:01:58.000 So what if you're running your genome through that and you find out, oh, look, I am like 90% risk of getting this?

01:02:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:05.000 And I mean, it is this, here's, and we'll close with this because I know Tyler's got to run and I got to run.

01:02:11.000 There is a temptation to think we're going to enter into a Star Trek world where no one owns anything and there's no currency.

01:02:18.000 I think it's going to be a lot clumsier than that.

01:02:20.000 I think that if we don't have good leadership and statesmen of the Churchillian type, this will get us into war the likes of which we've never seen.

01:02:27.000 There will be revolution in the streets.

01:02:28.000 It'll make the Russian Revolution look like child's play. 0.91

01:02:31.000 If 5,000 people own everything and robots are running the world, there will be a workers' revolt that no one can control.

01:02:39.000 So these are the most—I just want everyone to—you can mark this down.

01:02:42.000 February 2025, this is going to—this will redefine everything.

01:02:47.000 Everything.

01:02:48.000 AI makes tyranny easier, so we have to worry about that.

01:02:52.000 Totally.

01:02:52.000 And that's the other thing.

01:02:53.000 You want to go into the deep, dark conversations on this online is thinking about how voting is impacted, how people are elected.

01:03:02.000 The disgusting, scary part of this world is that this is the reason why everyone is so lindelian about the machines is AI's impact on how...

01:03:16.000 Internet impacts.

01:03:18.000 Mass voting is very scary.

01:03:20.000 Very scary stuff.

01:03:21.000 Again, that's actually where I'm really excited, though, is that it's the human being.

01:03:25.000 It's us.

01:03:26.000 That are going to have to solve these questions.

01:03:28.000 And people are like, oh, you know, this is really eventful.

01:03:30.000 If you think that Trump 2024 was eventful, wait for 2032 when we have to answer the highest stakes questions.

01:03:37.000 And these are not easy questions.

01:03:39.000 It's like, what is the role of the state?

01:03:41.000 What does liberty mean if you have a robot that does everything?

01:03:43.000 What do you do all day long?

01:03:44.000 Is this going to make people happier and more miserable, more suicidal and more flourishing?

01:03:48.000 Why even have kids?

01:03:49.000 These are really important questions.

01:03:51.000 What is God?

01:03:52.000 Why are we here?

01:03:54.000 Of cosmological significance.

01:03:56.000 I'm excited for it.

01:03:57.000 Because I think we're way better equipped as conservatives and as Christians to engage in this than a secular materialist.

01:04:04.000 What is their answer?

01:04:05.000 Oh, neutral public square.

01:04:06.000 Because I'm Sam Harris. 1.00

01:04:07.000 Shut up. 0.99

01:04:08.000 You're not equipped for this. 1.00

01:04:08.000 You read the ones who are just like, I don't even bother saving for retirement because I'm so convinced the AI apocalypse is coming that we're all just going to die. 1.00

01:04:15.000 Well, the aliens are supposed to protect us from that.

01:04:18.000 I inherently reject Doomerism.

01:04:21.000 I'm more interested that it's going to...

01:04:23.000 I think that we are being, as a movement, prepared for this window of time where we complain, oh, the boomers this, like Gen Z millennials, when we get towards peak political maturity in 15 or 20 years, all of this experience is going to have a crescendo where we're going to be answering and deciding and governing.

01:04:47.000 It will be like the Magna Carta for human beings.

01:04:50.000 I know that might sound like a hyperbole, but like 500 years from now, they're going to look back and be like, wow, in 2040, that original Declaration of Rights of here's what AI does and here's what it doesn't do.

01:05:03.000 And then we chart the path for the next thousand years.

01:05:06.000 That's how important this is.

01:05:08.000 It's bigger than like solving wars and the border.

01:05:10.000 All that stuff's important.

01:05:11.000 This is the stuff that will...

01:05:13.000 Determine whether or not we exist as a species.

01:05:15.000 But the only government that can do is America.

01:05:18.000 Of course!

01:05:18.000 The American people are the only ones, I think, predisposed to answer those questions.

01:05:23.000 And man, you want to talk about, and again, I could talk about this for hours.

01:05:25.000 The rest of the world's a disaster.

01:05:25.000 I've done so much thinking about this.

01:05:26.000 there will be such a revealing moment of someone that's nakedly bought by corporations that will make a short-term deal yeah where they're like and they'll just do it for money or a payoff where these corporations are like i can displace 99 of my workforce and like that's going to expose our politics in a way that will make people revolt so anything else you want to add to that i'm still right about singularity No, actually.

01:05:50.000 I read it right here.

01:05:53.000 The singularity involves emergence of artificial general intelligence, AGI, which means it has human-level cognitive abilities followed by artificial superintelligence which would exceed human abilities that would allow it to have sentience and self-awareness.

01:06:08.000 Yes, but then it's the superintelligence where it improves faster.

01:06:10.000 That's why it's a singularity.

01:06:12.000 It improves so fast.

01:06:13.000 It instantly changes everything.

01:06:14.000 If you just have a person who's equal to a human... 0.94

01:06:17.000 Or, you know, slightly below a human, like Tyler here or something, then you would, it's not a singularity then.

01:06:25.000 It's just like a thing that happened.

01:06:26.000 It's when you can create someone smarter than a human who can then make it itself even smarter because it's smarter than us.

01:06:32.000 That's what makes it a singularity.

01:06:34.000 I think everything's preparing us for this.

01:06:36.000 I think it's the purpose of why we are here.

01:06:37.000 I'm not kidding.

01:06:38.000 I think this is the most, you guys can laugh the same way that like DeSoto and Columbus, you know, discovered the new world.

01:06:45.000 There's a new world waiting for us and we need to figure out why we're like, what is our purpose?

01:06:51.000 And it's, we cannot allow it to sneak up on us.

01:06:54.000 The Magna Carta for humanity.

01:06:56.000 Remember it, write it down.

01:06:58.000 And until then keep committing thought.

01:07:00.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:07:02.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:07:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 01, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 75 — AI Singularity? National Security Gay-gency? Luigi the Loverboy

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