In this episode, the gang talks about the Muslim holy month of Ramadan and the impact it has on our understanding of the Islamic calendar and how it affects Western civilization. They also discuss what it means to be a Muslim in the 21st century.
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00:02:50.000Obviously, it can get really extreme if you're one of the, as we'll be discussing soon, one of the many Muslims who've moved to, like, for example, Sweden, high up there near the Arctic Circle.
00:03:01.000You can get to where your day, you know, when it was in summer, for example, you'll be having a Ramadan fast that's, you know, 18, 19, 20 hours long.
00:03:09.000If it goes full 24 hours, the Islamic law is you follow Mecca times.
00:03:14.000So does that mean that as it keeps moving towards winter that we're going to see more Muslims move northern?
00:03:31.000This came up for me when we were at Guantanamo.
00:03:35.000So the detainees, you know, we had to obviously observe Ramadan when they were, you know, when they were being held.
00:03:43.000And so, yeah, that's closer to the equator rather than further away.
00:03:46.000But it was also like, yeah, off of Mecca time, as you say.
00:03:50.000Blake, and then also it was that you couldn't, basically you couldn't, you know, you had to sort of like leave them alone completely.
00:03:57.000I can't get into it too much, but you had to sort of leave them alone until after night or after sunset.
00:04:03.000So basically my entire schedule flipped from, you know, diurnal to nocturnal.
00:04:10.000So basically it meant I was working night shift all during Ramadan because everything was completely off limits in the detainee camps during Ramadan.
00:04:17.000And so who was the prisoner at that, then, Jack?
00:04:20.000And who was the prisoner during that month, right?
00:04:24.000And you have to wonder, like, who's actually— Interesting question.
00:04:25.000The question is, who actually ends up being the prisoner and who ends up being the warden?
00:04:29.000Yeah, and you know, a funny thing about Ramadan is, so it's fasting during the day, but if you've been around some of the restaurants, you may know they tend to feast at night.
00:04:38.000And so there have been studies indicating that even though it's a month of fasting, Oh, I believe it.
00:04:49.000I'm no fan of Islam, which is what we're going to talk about.
00:04:52.000But I do kind of admire religious structures that forgo the flesh.
00:04:56.000Fasting practices I do actually have a soft spot for.
00:05:00.000I'm not saying I have a soft spot for Islam.
00:05:02.000I just do think that more people involving in the limitations of indulgence is generally good.
00:05:51.000It's almost like a diet of bread and vegetables is kind of what you're encouraged to.
00:05:55.000And I think if you're sufficiently, if you're going hard at it, I think you're supposed to abstain from sex as well, even if you're married.
00:06:03.000Interesting. So there's a lot of stuff that piles into that.
00:06:07.000Oh, so Blake, you're doing Great Lent then?
00:06:09.000Yeah, and then similarly, Catholic Lent was more intense.
00:06:12.000The traditional Catholic Lent was no meat, all of Lent.
00:06:16.000And they totally have gone softball on that, where it's only on Fridays.
00:06:21.000And that used to just be the norm any Friday, all year long.
00:06:25.000And in theory, it was like, well, you're supposed to...
00:06:28.000That's where you kind of got people saying they give up stuff for Lent.
00:06:31.000It was sort of you can replace the no meat thing that's universal with a choose your own adventure approach to Lent.
00:07:08.000Yeah. And there's a very rich Christian fasting tradition that, like, Wednesdays were, I think, again, some Orthodox still do this, but I think historically Wednesdays were sort of a semi-fast day.
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00:09:39.000All respect aside, though, we've been having this discussion offline a lot lately because we've been seeing, you know, obviously there's more Muslims in the West than there ever were when we were growing up, certainly more than a century ago, and the trends indicate that will continue.
00:09:56.000And we now kind of, so we have the open debate is, is Islam compatible with conservatism and is Islam compatible with...
00:10:05.000Western civilization as we understand it.
00:10:08.000And we especially are talking about this because a politician in Australia recently described Australia's approach to freedom this way.
00:12:06.000And we have societies that are passing laws against this, and I think we're going to be having more discussion of this, because what you especially see now is...
00:12:15.000There's a take in certain factions of conservatism in the US that, like, I'm sure Jack could describe this too, that Islam is based, basically.
00:12:27.000I remember a few years ago there was that meme, Islam is right about women, which was done to short-circuit liberal brains because they can't criticize Islam, but you're also basically saying that Islam being anti-women is a good thing.
00:12:41.000So it was trolling the left, but you'll just also hear people on the right say, unironically, oh, Islam is more socially conservative, they have more marriages, they're...
00:16:46.000But if that starts to change, I will happily adjust that statement.
00:16:51.000What Blake said, though, is very important.
00:16:54.000And Jack, I want you to respond to this.
00:16:57.000Islam speaks to young men that are very displeased with a hyper-feminized culture.
00:17:03.000And they're very upset with how feminine the American church has become.
00:17:08.000and how female-centric it has become, which is so emotion and compassion and no more about reason and people's sensitivities.
00:17:15.000How, Jack, do you respond to, How would you respond to that,
00:17:35.000Jack? Well, I mean, there's a few examples that I can point to, but, you know, obviously it's just this, is that Christianity has been central to the history and to the story and the development of Western civilization, really since the days of the Roman Empire, since when Jesus literally came, almost immediately he began having an impact in his area.
00:17:59.000Then, of course, it spread throughout.
00:18:00.000Blake and I did a whole series on this.
00:18:04.000So the idea that we can just take a foreign, you know, a foreign religion and import it into the West, it would completely change who we are, completely change our system of law, completely change our institutions, it would completely change everything that makes us us.
00:18:21.000And it would do so in the name of, oh, well, they're a little bit more masculine than us.
00:18:27.000And I would actually put that at the fault of the current heads.
00:18:31.000Of the church in the United States, certainly the church in the West.
00:18:36.000Charlie, you and I have talked about this for years at this point.
00:18:39.000But when you look at it, there's a reason that...
00:18:43.000Actually, my friend Joshua Lysak, we did the books together, my co-author, he has a phrase for it.
00:18:48.000He says, there's this brand of Christianity out there that's like, Jesus is my boyfriend.
00:18:53.000And it's very feminine coded, like, oh, I'm in love with Jesus.
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00:20:55.000The Trinity is an incredibly complex topic that we don't have to get into today, which we all agree in the Trinitarian God.
00:21:02.000But think about how rarely you hear about God the Father.
00:21:07.000If you were to open a random, even in Catholicism, which I have great respect for, I would say that Jesus has definitely talked about even more than God the Father.
00:21:17.000But the liturgy, fair enough, talks about all three.
00:21:19.000But let's just say you open up a random Christian sermon, and it's even a good Bible-based church.
00:21:24.000Chances are they're not going to be talking about God the Father.
00:21:27.000And when you have a generation and a country that is seeking order, that is seeking rules, then talking about that portion of the Godhead, I think, is incredibly important.
00:21:38.000Blake. I was thinking, as you said, about God the Father, the God of rules, also the God of judgment, a thing you're not going to see, that you'd see in medieval Christianity all the time, images of the last judgment.
00:21:51.000Or images of just judgment in general.
00:21:54.000That can even come, I think, through Christ.
00:21:57.000So have you ever seen the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception in D.C.?
00:24:04.000As long as that void is there, if the perception is that Islam is the macho religion that is demanding of you, who's to say we couldn't see?
00:24:15.000All those guys who are in Trende, Aragua, or whatever, who currently, they join weird, bastardized versions.
00:24:48.000Talk, Blake, about how Islam has found itself in this very patriarchal way in the past.
00:24:55.000Yeah, so obviously a lot of guys end up joining in prison, for example.
00:25:00.000And you could even say, like, in there, it might be an improvement.
00:25:02.000Like, it's better to follow, like, the rules of praying five times a day, of fasting, that over, you know, like, total moral anarchy.
00:25:12.000Obviously, we prefer Christianity overall, and there's a lot about Islam that, as we saw in that clip, it's like a very peaceful religion.
00:25:20.000Well, no, because in Islam, in contrast to Christianity, Islam rigidly defines a lot more of what you're supposed to do and how you're supposed to live your life.
00:25:47.000We have instructions from Paul to individual communities of believers because, you know, our scriptures stopped at the point where we were still an underground church of a few thousand people.
00:25:56.000And we've reached the point where there are countries that have been Christian for over almost 2,000 years.
00:26:02.000And now our problem is like, you know, we have the decaying of that.
00:26:06.000We don't have a lot to go off of there.
00:26:39.000They're about as long as the Talmud, I think, of things that the Prophet Muhammad said or did or how he reacted non-verbally to other people doing things.
00:26:49.000So you'll have a hadith that is like, so-and-so did this, and Muhammad smiled and laughed when he did this, thus showing it was not bad.
00:26:56.000And within this, you have certainly a ton of generic stuff.
00:27:00.000You know, this is how you pray properly.
00:27:02.000This is how you cleanse yourself properly.
00:27:04.000Some of them are kind of funny, just because this is humorous.
00:27:08.000The hadiths, you have to be ritually cleansed to pray.
00:27:12.000And someone says, if I fart, does that make me unclean?
00:27:16.000And the Prophet Muhammad said, if you don't smell it and you don't hear it, it's okay.
00:27:21.000If you smell it or hear it, then you gotta purify yourself.
00:27:26.000If it's silent and non-deadly, you're okay.
00:29:58.000The Protestant Reformation, the belief is they're taking Christianity back to its roots before stuff was layered over it from paganism and so on.
00:30:08.000And if you do that with Islam, you're going back to what the Hadiths say.
00:30:12.000You're going back to what is written down in our early scriptures.
00:32:38.000Because this really centers around the idea of integration and assimilation when it comes to migrants, because Islam is not a Western religion.
00:32:49.000Islam did not originate here naturally.
00:32:52.000There's no history in Western civilization of it other than the invasions, the Turks, the Ottomans coming through the Balkan history with this.
00:33:27.000You're bringing your own values and your own culture with you.
00:33:32.000So are you doing so in a way that actually complies with the standards and mores of our majority culture?
00:33:39.000Or are you going to turn around like you see what happen on campus all the time?
00:33:43.000Are you going to turn around and say that?
00:33:45.000Our majority culture has to bend and has to accommodate and is mandated to have to twist ourselves in pretzels and turn ourselves inside out to accommodate your minority-imported culture.
00:34:00.000So, I mean, I asked for a reason because I endorsed a friend of mine who's actually my family physician, Dr. Zutty Jasser, who's Muslim.
00:34:06.000However, he actually speaks out more against Islam than almost any Christian will.
00:34:10.000I mean, he will use the Hadith against...
00:34:12.000And he's like, his argument, and we're going to have him on the show soon, is we need to actively ignore some of the more insane Mohammedan teachings, and we need a reformation.
00:34:24.000And so, however, he's an extraordinary minority, a self-admission minority.
00:35:44.000Because in Minnesota and Michigan, this is a real community-based issue of saying, hey, how do you engage the orthodox Muslim community in some kind of way here?
00:36:18.000I think that when you import a macro ideology...
00:36:22.000You get a macro erosion of the culture, and that is irrefutable.
00:36:27.000Yeah, I think maybe a helpful way to think of it is when we think of how we're often in agreement with conservatives in other pretty different countries, like, I mean, I'm almost thinking like conservatives in like...
00:36:42.000Japan conservatives in India conservatives in Russia like you know people who share our values in entirely different places We should collaborate.
00:37:07.000But big picture, we don't want America to become a Muslim country, whereas they would probably regard that as a great thing.
00:37:16.000Is it a stated goal of Islam to take over?
00:37:19.000It's certainly a stated goal to spread Islam, and they have a richer tradition of both outright conquest in the name of religion, and also you can get documents like the Muslim Brotherhood has put out texts that basically say Our demographic tidal wave is a way for us to expand our influence in the West.
00:37:44.000And a notable thing that's worth knowing is there are prophecies in Islam that are expressly related to them one day conquering the West.
00:37:52.000So this isn't just a general, you know, let's spread our religion because we love it.
00:38:06.000And so, for them, like, if you're a devout Muslim, there's a real sense of, you know, one day we will, you know, have the crescent over the city of Rome because we'll defeat the Christians.
00:38:18.000And, again, it's a difficult thing for us to engage with because we don't favor that outcome.
00:38:28.000Let's put up that chart with the numbers of what percentage of different European countries are going to be Muslim by 2050 if migration rates go.
00:38:37.000Yeah, if we look at that, I think it's like Sweden's at 30% there.
00:38:50.000Exactly. And then you can see it's like 15% in Italy.
00:38:54.000If Italy is 15% Muslim, that will mean the city of Rome itself will probably be 40% Muslim or something like that because they're going to cluster in the big cities.
00:39:03.000We were just talking about Toronto the other day.
00:39:06.000Toronto is like a quarter Chinese and is like 15% to 20% Muslim.
00:39:11.000Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there are 10 times as many practicing Muslims as there are practicing Christians in the city of London.
00:39:21.000Well, and so the obvious way of looking at this is that a Christian nation becomes a secular nation, then that must import new people to sustain their materialism, so then they import Islam, and then it becomes an Islamic nation.
00:42:49.000Yeah, so when it was a Greek empire, when it was the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, as they call it, that was a place that produced a ton of scholarship, produced a ton of innovation.
00:42:59.000It was probably actually the most literate and advanced part of Europe, and Turkey is not.
00:43:08.000And this is actually a thing that they've asked themselves.
00:43:13.000And we invented the printing press in, I want to say, like 1500.
00:43:18.000It took, I think, almost 200 years for the printing press to really take off in the Islamic world.
00:43:26.000And it's a question that certainly has driven them berserk, like Salafism.
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00:44:37.000Jack might have some thoughts on this too.
00:44:40.000If it wasn't for the Cold War, would the Muslim diaspora be as great as it is, especially across Western Europe?
00:44:54.000Right, so you're talking about this idea that there was a lot of Carving up of, you know, not by the way, not just the Middle East, but also Africa during the Cold War, this huge fight for, you know, which side is going to come in.
00:45:11.000So you had the communist running, running amok all over the globe, trying to use the loot, the treasury of the Soviet Union, loot the treasury of the Russian Empire to go and expand the revolution.
00:45:22.000And so prop up all these communist groups.
00:45:32.000So, of course, you see, you know, elements of this, like the revolution in Tehran.
00:45:36.000In 1979, you see so many Persians, you know, flee because of that.
00:45:41.000The overthrow of the Shah, you know, what, 20-some years prior, etc., etc.
00:45:47.000You could go down the list of all the things.
00:45:49.000That have happened between Israel and Egypt and the various wars from 1948 on that all involved the Arab world and all involved this massive, massive instability.
00:46:05.000I think that a lot of the influx of migrants in general has more to do with the legacy of World War II than anything else because it just created this So I went to Sweden and Malmo, which is one of these areas with no-go zones in 2017, and went right into the no-go zones.
00:46:29.000There were actually gang wars going on between the migrant gangs that were coming in in the current era, so in 2015 on, versus the migrants that had been there since the 70s.
00:46:40.000And so you had Somali gangs fighting Arab gangs, basically.
00:46:44.000And the local, actual native Swedes were just pretty much caught in the crossfire.
00:46:48.000This also led to massive expanse in rape numbers, which is something that, of course, we've seen across Sweden, Germany, Ireland now.
00:46:59.000He even says, talking about this issue and what they're turning Ireland into.
00:47:03.000So I think that it's an aspect of decolonization as much as anything else.
00:47:11.000I think it's an aspect of the legacy of World War II.
00:47:15.000You know, you could say if the Cold War hadn't happened, I think that a lot of things would have changed if communism wouldn't have happened.
00:48:12.000I mean, the Middle East in general was maybe 25-30% Christian until World War I. And one factor that seems actually really interesting is in the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages, Christianity, we don't know exactly why this was, but they got really gung-ho that there's one sin God hates more than any other.
00:49:34.000And this one just lowers your IQ because you have a buildup of genetic dead weight.
00:49:42.000And it also makes it so you look to other people within your clan.
00:49:47.000You don't sort of have a group-based, more general altruism, for lack of a better term.
00:49:52.000And some people hypothesize that this basically helped launch Western civilization on its big upward trajectory.
00:49:58.000And if you look at the worst parts of the Muslim world, which are some of the ones that we, for whatever reason, are the most gung-ho to bring in, like Pakistanis who moved to Britain.
00:50:08.000Other Pakistanis will tell you they're coming from the worst part of Pakistan.
00:50:13.000Pakistan's not a great country and they're coming from, I can't remember the name of it, but it's like one of the worst parts where they have an over 90% rate of them, for example, marrying first cousins.
00:50:23.000Nice. If you're from a society where 90% of people marry their first cousins...
00:51:20.000You needed the Pope to sign off on that, and the Pope was not signing off on that for, you know, a random dirt farmer in the middle of France.
00:53:30.000Honestly, I don't think it's compatible.
00:53:32.000I think the West has Christianity at its core.
00:53:36.000The West has always been majority Christian since we've had the rise of Christianity and since the advent of Western civilization as we know it today.