The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 79 — Real-Life Dire Wolves? Austin Metcalf and Karmelo Anthony?

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00:00:58.000 Alright, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard for this week's edition of Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:05.000 Charlie, of course, is out on assignment.

00:01:07.000 We know that he's on the campuses right now.

00:01:11.000 It's hard to lock in Charlie's schedule because he's spending so much time on the campuses talking to literally thousands and thousands of students all across the country as they come to him.

00:01:23.000 on these campuses, on these camps, camp, camp high, camp high, maybe we'll ask Blake about that one and try to, you know, try to deal with a lot of the leftist social conditioning that they're getting on these campuses.

00:01:35.000 But as, as it stands, we have assembled still a panel of thought criminals for you this evening.

00:01:42.000 So let's check it out.

00:01:43.000 I think we've got Blake.

00:01:44.000 What's up, Blake?

00:01:45.000 Howdy, Jack.

00:01:46.000 I'm doing great.

00:01:47.000 I think it'll just be campuses, but we can really lay it on.

00:01:51.000 Campuses. Campi.

00:01:53.000 Camp Pisces?

00:01:54.000 I like Camp Pisces.

00:01:55.000 Say whatever you want.

00:01:57.000 And then we've got Tyler there at home.

00:02:00.000 I think the only one of us in home base right now.

00:02:02.000 That's right.

00:02:02.000 We're in four different places, but I'm here.

00:02:05.000 I'm in the desert.

00:02:07.000 And, of course, we've got producer Andrew Colvette, AK-47.

00:02:10.000 Yep, not wearing a Dodger hat, although I do see that Tyler's wearing his...

00:02:14.000 What's that team called?

00:02:17.000 That irrelevant team?

00:02:21.000 The 500 team right now.

00:02:25.000 The 500 team?

00:02:26.000 Diamondbacks! You guys used to have some good teams.

00:02:30.000 Anyways. We got lots to cover today.

00:02:34.000 We had higher expectations for pitching this year.

00:02:37.000 But it's not working out.

00:02:38.000 The first story that this was one of those ones where it feels like it's almost kind of...

00:02:46.000 Taylor made for a thought crime type show because it's something where, you know, it doesn't necessarily fit into the normal news of the day, but it's this massive culture war issue that's going on throughout the country, and it's been roiling social media.

00:03:00.000 Not so much, I think, the case itself, this criminal case that happened down in Frisco, Texas.

00:03:08.000 But the aftermath to it has become this massive social media just explosion of interest and explosion of debate and controversy, but actually in some instances not so much debate and controversy and disinformation and misinformation and fake news.

00:03:28.000 And this is the case of the murder of, of course, teenage high school football star Austin Metcalf.

00:03:36.000 By his alleged assailant, we'll say alleged for legal purposes, Carmelo Anthony.

00:03:43.000 Now, what's the case?

00:03:46.000 If you haven't heard at this point, I think everyone really has.

00:03:48.000 He was murdered at a track meet.

00:03:49.000 There was an issue over a seat.

00:03:52.000 And Carmelo Anthony, who, by the way, admits this to police and police records, stabbed him in the heart, killing him almost instantly or very quickly at the track meet on the bleachers.

00:04:05.000 But what's gotten really, I think, everyone riled up so much is the fact that there are now two crowdfunds, and this is sort of emblematic of the social media age in which we live.

00:04:15.000 There are two crowdfunds now, one for legal defenses for Carmelo Anthony, and then one for the family of Austin Metcalf.

00:04:26.000 And it's almost like they're kind of competing to see who can raise or which sides can raise more money in the case.

00:04:35.000 The one on GoFundMe for Austin Metcalf, as we record this, has over $310,000, whereas the legal defense fund for Carmelo Anthony has $284,000.

00:04:50.000 So they both sit right around the $300,000 mark.

00:04:55.000 I guess we'll go to Blake first really quickly.

00:04:59.000 Blake, when you're looking at this case, let's talk about it from the facts perspective.

00:05:06.000 Carmelo Anthony, his supporters say that he was acting in self-defense.

00:05:12.000 Is there anything that you've seen, and I'm sorry to put you on the spot, I don't know if you've really dug into this case or not, I know you're on the tour with Charlie there, but is there anything that you've seen that would provide for this self-defense argument?

00:05:25.000 Well, a lot more details are going to come out on this, I have to imagine.

00:05:31.000 It is all very vague what took place.

00:05:33.000 It does seem to be a lot of rumors.

00:05:35.000 I think the most recent accounts for what happened, as they say, it was a they say it was a seating dispute.

00:05:41.000 I believe it was reported on Fox.

00:05:43.000 It seems that Carmelo was allegedly...

00:05:50.000 It was for a sporting event and he was where the other team was supposed to be, so it might have been that he was fraternizing before a match.

00:05:59.000 It might have been that he was causing mischief before a match.

00:06:02.000 Unclear. I haven't heard more details on that.

00:06:05.000 I think the reason they're saying self-defense...

00:06:07.000 I should have called for this because we actually do have the side on it.

00:06:10.000 Let's play real quick 2-2-1.

00:06:12.000 This is what Blake is talking about.

00:06:13.000 School track meet in Frisco, Texas.

00:06:15.000 They're trying to figure out how this guy even got a knife in there in the first place.

00:06:19.000 It happened in Frisco, just outside of Dallas.

00:06:22.000 Witnesses say Anthony was under the opposing team's tent and wouldn't leave when he was asked to.

00:06:27.000 That's when witnesses say Metcalf stepped in.

00:06:30.000 Anthony reportedly challenged him, saying, touch me and see what happens.

00:06:34.000 When Metcalf grabbed him, John, police say Anthony pulled out a black knife and stabbed him right in the chest.

00:06:40.000 According to reports, Metcalf died and his twin brother.

00:06:44.000 Okay, so yeah, that's pretty much what you had said before.

00:06:48.000 I had heard some other information about, you know, it was raining and, you know, it's a track meet.

00:06:54.000 If anyone who's run track, you know, they kind of set up those tents on the bleachers.

00:06:57.000 But, you know, each team, and there could be multiple teams there, multiple schools there at a track meet.

00:07:03.000 That's kind of how it works.

00:07:04.000 So, you know, each team will set up their tent for the bleachers.

00:07:08.000 We don't have the information exactly on whose team was supposed to be where or anything like this.

00:07:14.000 But what's really been crazy is I've also seen there's been a ton of misinformation that's spread.

00:07:20.000 People were even making like, I don't know if you guys have seen this, there have been fake Facebook posts that were made by the sheriffs talking.

00:07:27.000 They literally made a fake post.

00:07:29.000 From the Frisco Police, or, you know, the Sheriff's Department, saying that, oh, there was a fight, and there was a huge altercation, and someone, you know, and that Austin Metcalf, the white kid, had been attacking the black kid, and he was trying to throw him off the bleachers,

00:07:46.000 and that's why he responded, etc., etc.

00:07:48.000 And that was completely fake.

00:07:49.000 And actually, the Sheriff's Department had to even put out a statement to say, hey, this isn't a real post.

00:07:54.000 We have no information on this at all.

00:07:55.000 And the actual police report has nothing about that in there.

00:07:58.000 So I guess, yeah, Blake, I'll let you finish your point.

00:08:02.000 But it's just crazy to me to see that there are so many fake facts floating around about this.

00:08:07.000 Just like in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, by the way, there were fake facts floating everywhere.

00:08:11.000 And people aren't even sticking to actually try to figure out what happened.

00:08:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:16.000 And like we said, more will come out about this.

00:08:19.000 And so, you know, to get at why this is becoming a politically resonant topic, so you have a ton of money being raised in what seems to be superficially at least a pretty, like a nasty case that would not justify stabbing someone to death.

00:08:37.000 And it's like Carmelo Anthony has become I like the fact that GiveSendGo's position is,

00:09:03.000 it's a free platform, you can raise money for things, and of course...

00:09:07.000 People have the right to a criminal defense.

00:09:09.000 People have the right to donate to support someone's criminal defense.

00:09:12.000 I'm glad we had a place where we could do that for Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:09:16.000 I think that option should exist for people.

00:09:18.000 But the bigger picture, of course, is whether people have a right to donate to this or not, should they be donating to it?

00:09:25.000 And where this has become a cause for debate, as I'm sure you could elaborate on, Jack, or we can loop in Andrew and Tyler here, Creepily become a racially tinged thing that the idea is Carmelo Anthony is being railroaded or targeted in a racial manner that Austin Metcalf arguably deserved to be stabbed to death when there seems to be very little argument that that's the case.

00:09:52.000 And then competing with this is the fact that people are, you see this in a lot of cases where people are coming out and Let's get,

00:10:21.000 I want to get Andrew in on this.

00:10:23.000 Yeah, I mean, I actually haven't seen this clip yet.

00:10:26.000 I want to play it because I have so many thoughts, but I do want to see this.

00:10:30.000 2-2-1.

00:10:31.000 We didn't just play that one, did we?

00:10:34.000 2-2-1, touch me and see what happens.

00:10:36.000 Did we see that?

00:10:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:38.000 Maybe you did.

00:10:38.000 Now I'm remembering.

00:10:40.000 But I'm reading, according to the arrest affidavit, witnesses told police that Anthony warned Metcalf, so Carmelo Anthony warned Austin Metcalf, the white kid, not to touch him, and then he reached into his bag.

00:10:52.000 When Metcalf reportedly touched him, Anthony dared him to throw a punch.

00:10:57.000 One witness claimed that Metcalf then grabbed Anthony to get him to move, at which point Anthony allegedly pulled out the knife and stabbed him once in the chest before fleeing.

00:11:07.000 So their whole shtick here is that this was Carmelo Anthony acting in self-defense.

00:11:13.000 And you can see, and I think to Blake's point, why this is becoming politically charged and racially charged is because you've got...

00:11:23.000 Carmelo Anthony's defenders basically saying these were bullies, these white privileged jocks thought they could push around this black kid and he react to defend himself.

00:11:35.000 Carmelo Anthony was sitting under the wrong tent.

00:11:37.000 Not that that really matters, but you can understand that in high school kids are going to be like, hey, this isn't your school's tent.

00:11:43.000 Get into your own tent.

00:11:45.000 And then people posture, you know, you could see maybe a You know, a fight ensuing.

00:11:53.000 But the fact that this Carmelo Anthony kid so quickly reached for a knife and stabbed...

00:12:00.000 Austin Metcalf in the chest.

00:12:02.000 To me, to Blake's earlier point, there's zero explanation of why that was a rational or justifiable move in that moment other than a complete wild overreaction.

00:12:13.000 Now his family member, apparently Kevin Hayes is a relative of Carmelo Anthony, says it was self-defense and that he panicked after being allegedly jumped.

00:12:25.000 I've seen no indication that Austin Metcalf jumped him other than to try and grab, probably grab him and push him out of the tent.

00:12:33.000 Now, you could argue that that was the wrong thing to do.

00:12:36.000 But these kind of things happen all the time in high school.

00:12:40.000 And to say that it was somehow justifiable to stab him and that there's nearly $300,000 that has poured into his legal defense fund of people that seemingly agree is the part that troubles me so deeply.

00:12:54.000 To me, this has nothing to do with race.

00:12:57.000 I mean, it shouldn't.

00:12:58.000 It has to do with the fact that one kid overreacted and killed another kid.

00:13:02.000 Robbed him of his life and his future.

00:13:04.000 Over what?

00:13:06.000 Over what?

00:13:07.000 This is insane.

00:13:09.000 Yeah, over a seat.

00:13:12.000 Yeah, do we know how big the knife was?

00:13:15.000 Not that it matters that much.

00:13:16.000 I think it was a folding knife.

00:13:18.000 It was like a folding knife.

00:13:20.000 It's just so bizarre to me.

00:13:22.000 That the kid was carrying around a knife.

00:13:24.000 And they mentioned this in the clip, which is they don't know how it got in because most of these schools have detectors and stuff like that when you walk in now.

00:13:32.000 They have a bad check policy and all that stuff.

00:13:36.000 Unfortunately, for where we're at.

00:13:38.000 But yeah, just the immediate response to...

00:13:43.000 I mean, we've seen that situation play out so many times.

00:13:47.000 Andrew's point of if you're under the...

00:13:51.000 On the wrong side of the football field even, you know, there's always like fight.

00:13:55.000 We had fights break out after every football game at my school.

00:13:59.000 They would meet up at the Wendy's parking lot.

00:14:01.000 They would get into fist fights.

00:14:03.000 It was one team fighting the other.

00:14:05.000 You have this stuff happen all the time, like where kids are constantly just like, get off my turf type stuff.

00:14:11.000 We've seen it.

00:14:12.000 You've seen it happen at the mall.

00:14:13.000 You've seen it happen all the time.

00:14:15.000 So this sounds like, to me, the story that's been told sounds like a pretty standard high school confrontation.

00:14:23.000 And I don't think anyone would ever expect someone to pull out a weapon, especially at a track meet or a football game or something where there's probably maybe hundreds of people that are around.

00:14:36.000 I don't know how many people are there.

00:14:37.000 I don't think anyone would ever expect to have a knife pulled on them and get stabbed in the chest.

00:14:42.000 You know, and I think worst case scenario, you've heard about situations where someone's pulled out a weapon and kind of flaunted it and be like, oh yeah, back up.

00:14:50.000 And that would have been bad enough.

00:14:52.000 But the amount of psychopathic tendency that you have to have to have a weapon carried on you and at the moment of being challenged just to have the immediate reaction to stab somebody tells me that, number one, this kid has had been probably running in dangerous circles as it is.

00:15:12.000 And that he was willing to do that.

00:15:16.000 And that should point more to what we've seen coming out of some high schools of that gang mentality and that type of stuff that really isn't being handled because policing isn't being handled because nobody wants to do any of that, especially when race comes into the question.

00:15:34.000 Well, and they said this wasn't the first time that he'd had a knife incident at school, but actually that they knew he had brought knives in the past.

00:15:41.000 So when you're talking about like metal detectors and bag checks, it's like you'd think that, you know, student resource officer or whatever, school resource officer would kind of know like, oh, hey, that's the knife kid.

00:15:55.000 Well, and he said this to police.

00:15:58.000 He said, I'm not alleged.

00:16:00.000 I did it.

00:16:01.000 And stated that Metcalf had placed his hands on him after being told not to.

00:16:06.000 That, to me, is just thuggish.

00:16:09.000 I'm sorry, I'm just going to call it what it is. 0.99

00:16:10.000 That is somebody that has been idolizing gang culture, rap culture, thug culture, and it's like, big man, oh, nobody's going to mess with you, you touch me, I'm going to kill you. 0.80

00:16:21.000 As if that is somehow to be lauded and looked up to. 0.98

00:16:25.000 No, if you want to tell somebody that they're not allowed to put their hands on you, then use your fists.

00:16:32.000 Or not at all.

00:16:33.000 Sorry, you don't pull out a knife and stab a dude in the chest because he puts his hand on you when he asks you to leave. 0.64

00:16:40.000 This is insane.

00:16:42.000 And the fact that there is anybody, anybody supporting those actions is beyond the pale and really an indictment of some really sick, twisted narratives that are floating around this country.

00:16:57.000 Yeah, and I'll give a huge shout out to Andrew Branca, who does a YouTube show called The Law of Self-Defense, and he's got a book out about it.

00:17:05.000 And he goes through these things, and he talks about the basic elements that you would need to prove self-defense in many cases.

00:17:12.000 And he's, in fact, a lawyer, and he's consulted on a lot of cases like this.

00:17:16.000 And he points out that...

00:17:19.000 In any self-defense case, the first thing that you need is an imminent threat of deadly force.

00:17:24.000 So in this case, where is the imminent threat of deadly force or the use of deadly force?

00:17:29.000 The only imminent threat of deadly force comes from Carmelo Anthony, not from Austin Metcalf, because the police report doesn't say anything about people ganging up on him or jumping him.

00:17:41.000 And in fact, it points out that there, and I did read the police report, the entire thing that came out, there's...

00:17:47.000 Over a dozen witnesses, including the coaches of both teams, so people who are conceivably not biased against him.

00:17:54.000 And so this idea that people are making it up at all, no, it's very clear, it's very...

00:18:01.000 Obvious what happened.

00:18:02.000 This wasn't in some dark alleyway is what I'm trying to say.

00:18:05.000 It was done in full view of a number of people at this track meet.

00:18:09.000 So there's no imminent threat of self-defense.

00:18:13.000 But also, he even points out that saying the phrase, touch me and see what happens, it could be interpreted in some cases as a provocation.

00:18:25.000 And given the fact that it was a provocation, it's essentially, from a legal perspective, An invitation to mutual combat.

00:18:33.000 Like, he's basically egging him on to fight.

00:18:36.000 Well, if you provoke someone, then you don't get to turn around and say, oh, I was just defending myself against this person.

00:18:44.000 No, you provoke the encounter.

00:18:46.000 I'm not going to say that he provoked the fight just by sitting there, but by saying, you know, touch me and using language like that and see what happens, reaching into a bag, you know, from Metcalf's perspective, let's say he was around to make the...

00:19:00.000 the case that, you know, he could even say, I saw him getting a knife out and I was trying to prevent him from getting the knife out.

00:19:07.000 Right. So, no, not only is there no element of self-defense here, there's actually lots of arguments against it.

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00:20:13.000 I think you're 100% right.

00:20:15.000 We're messaging.

00:20:17.000 We're talking, we can go back and forth on self-defense argument, but the reason this is a national news story is not, you know, the finer points of self-defense law, because unfortunately, teenagers do kill each other in the United States with depressing regularity.

00:20:32.000 Two things are really...

00:20:35.000 Driving what makes this a topic.

00:20:37.000 And I think the first thing we should do is to set this up is we should play the dad's reaction.

00:20:42.000 So this is Austin Metcalf's father talking on television.

00:20:46.000 I think the clip that we want is 202.

00:20:49.000 Let's play that clip.

00:20:51.000 It's very unfortunate that this other child decided to make a bad choice that's going to affect him for the rest of his life.

00:20:59.000 I have compassion for every human being.

00:21:02.000 This is not, I wanna make this very clear.

00:21:04.000 This is not a race issue.

00:21:06.000 This is not a black and white issue.

00:21:08.000 I don't want someone stepping up on a soapbox trying to politicize this.

00:21:11.000 I don't appreciate some of the remarks I've seen online that people say there was this fight and they don't know.

00:21:18.000 They weren't there.

00:21:20.000 Now, what I will say is I would never question or criticize how a parent specifically chooses to respond.

00:21:30.000 To a tragic event, because I think it's understandable.

00:21:34.000 I think if you've experienced a huge personal loss, it would probably be traumatic and upsetting to have it be at the center of a national political discussion.

00:21:44.000 I am entirely sympathetic to that.

00:21:46.000 Nonetheless, it is a pattern that people have noticed that this occurs.

00:21:53.000 It's happened a lot in, for example, cases where illegal immigrants have killed people.

00:21:58.000 A lot of people remember Molly Tibbetts.

00:22:01.000 This would have been about, I want to say, seven or eight years ago.

00:22:06.000 She was a young woman tragically killed by an illegal immigrant in Iowa, and her father had this thing where, you know, actually, illegal immigrants are better than native Iowans, and we should not be angry

00:22:21.000 that...

00:22:21.000 that his daughter was was pointlessly murdered.

00:22:23.000 This sort of thing occurs with disturbing regularity and people are like, why?

00:22:29.000 Why is this a moral script that so many people feel driven towards adopting of, you know, we have to be clear anything that's happening.

00:22:39.000 There is no political angle to this.

00:22:41.000 Well, wait, wait, wait, though.

00:22:49.000 It's not just anything.

00:22:50.000 It's only in these cases, right?

00:22:52.000 If it's another case, like, say, I don't know, George Floyd.

00:22:56.000 That's all about race! 0.93

00:22:57.000 That's about race before anyone even says anything!

00:22:59.000 So it's like, it's like, it's this huge double standard that you're getting at, and I'll let you finish, but I want to say, it's not just any case, it's only when the victim is a white kid like this, or something like that, then it's, then it's, oh, don't talk about race,

00:23:15.000 or, you know, Molly Tibbetts, et cetera, it's all not about race, it's not about race, but if it's George Floyd, or any, you know, Trayvon Martin, et cetera, it's race from the very start, and nothing else is allowed to be talked about.

00:23:25.000 Sorry, go ahead.

00:23:26.000 Precisely. That's the thought crime aspect to it.

00:23:30.000 There are, unfortunately, a lot of teenagers who are accused of murder.

00:23:34.000 And a rational question to ask is, is Carmelo Anthony getting $300,000 in legal defense funds essentially because he killed a white kid?

00:23:46.000 And some people, I'm not going to question the motives of every single person who donates, but is the idea that some people... 0.92

00:23:53.000 Like the idea that he could stab a white kid to death and get away with it. 0.66

00:23:58.000 Kind of like there were people who wanted OJ to get away with it. 0.94

00:24:01.000 And there have been takes where people were like, this was getting revenge for Rodney King or for the LA riots generally.

00:24:09.000 Is that impulse manifesting itself?

00:24:13.000 You're saying people who donate?

00:24:14.000 Yes, yeah.

00:24:15.000 Some people who donated to this may be motivated by, they like the idea.

00:24:20.000 Could he get away with this?

00:24:22.000 They may genuinely believe he is innocent, but there may even be people out there who would say it doesn't matter if he is innocent, that we just want him to get away with it.

00:24:31.000 It's Luigi mentality.

00:24:32.000 Yeah, and that's kind of the Luigi Maggioni thing that we've been talking about for, you know, what, six months now or whatever.

00:24:38.000 Yeah, I just jinxed you in saying this is all Luigi mentality.

00:24:42.000 This is where the crippling effect of...

00:24:45.000 You know, societal decay, that's where we're at, is that it's just backwards, where you have people on the left who would rather see people they disagree with because they've been so mind-melted on DEI and everything that they sit through for,

00:25:01.000 you know, seven hours a day in class, hearing from, you know, preschool to where they're at, to now, you know, the true enemy is, you know...

00:25:12.000 just the person that doesn't look like them or and that's class warfare I mean this is class warfare stuff that is happening and that's who donates to

00:25:22.000 Well... I think it's very telling, though, and it's a generational thing, and I think, Jack, you would agree with me on this.

00:25:32.000 It's like, boomers especially were raised in a country with the civil rights era, and they wanted to see themselves as post-racial, and what happened is you had a bunch of whites, the country was essentially 90-85% white as they were growing up,

00:25:49.000 and they wanted to believe that it was post-racial, and I think It was true for Boomer Whites. 1.00

00:25:55.000 They had gotten to a point, and maybe they're Gen Xers.

00:25:58.000 I certainly know as a millennial when I was growing up, I kind of thought we were in a post-racial world.

00:26:02.000 That was what I was told.

00:26:04.000 But if you're of a certain age, you're a little older, that indoctrination runs so, so deep that I don't think you rush to that instantly.

00:26:16.000 this suicidal empathy, this indoctrination.

00:26:20.000 It's like, and you saw that from the father.

00:26:23.000 For me, this was the, this was the,

00:26:26.000 Again, I'm sympathetic to what Blake said.

00:26:31.000 It's like...

00:26:32.000 I don't want to judge him for the way he reacted to his son being murdered.

00:26:35.000 I cannot imagine the horror that that must be.

00:26:39.000 And so, like, I'm trying to extend some grace to the father in saying, like, listen, you're going to process this in your own way, and I don't ever want to know what that's like.

00:26:48.000 And so, you know, God bless you.

00:26:50.000 You have my sympathies.

00:26:51.000 But it's yet, I have to observe the fact that he reacted instantly and said, I don't want to make this about race, and I forgive him one day after.

00:27:00.000 It was the next day.

00:27:02.000 He had one day and he was already forgiving this kid and saying, you know, it's not about race.

00:27:08.000 Well, you don't know that it's not about race.

00:27:10.000 And I think it's very fascinating that he rushed to say that it's not about race when it very well could be about race.

00:27:16.000 Austin Metcalf could be dead today because Carmelo Anthony wanted to, you know, basically

00:27:26.000 I mean, I don't know that it's not.

00:27:29.000 But the point is, it's like you have the white father saying it's not about race because this thing has gone so, so deep into the subconscious of a certain subsection of America.

00:27:40.000 And then you've got younger Americans that have been like, well, listen, we were told it wasn't about race and it was post-racial.

00:27:46.000 And yet the world that we live in has become more racialized than ever.

00:27:49.000 So it's like we tried to live up to our end of the bargain.

00:27:52.000 Now, I know there's a big part of the country that doesn't agree with that, but I certainly grew up in an America where it felt like all the white kids were trying to be post-racial. 0.63

00:27:59.000 And it's like we didn't get reached out to on the other side.

00:28:03.000 The other side didn't live up to their end of the bargain.

00:28:05.000 And so now we've got to have these conversations again, and we've got to be honest about it.

00:28:10.000 And the younger you are, the more willing you are to be honest, in my opinion.

00:28:13.000 And I think it's telling that Austin Metcalfe's dad, of a certain age, so quickly went to that line that very...

00:28:24.000 Yeah, and you see it again and again, and it's become this sort of script.

00:28:28.000 And in fact, at humanevents.com, we've had pieces about how the DOJ actually had a unit where I believe that Pam Bondi is working to shut down this unit.

00:28:37.000 They call it the community relations services where they would go around.

00:28:42.000 No way.

00:28:48.000 Wow. The breaking point of the white guilt narrative.

00:29:03.000 And so what's the white guilt narrative?

00:29:05.000 And it goes back to this 1965 essay by James Baldwin that I think that we'd all recognize where it's, you know, he said that the white man's guilt is a, quote, curtain of guilt and lies behind which white Americans hide,

00:29:21.000 unable to confront the realities of their history and talk about how this narrative of sort of white guilt then became the cornerstone of progressive ideology, DEI and all these things that we talk about that say that, you know, white privilege

00:29:36.000 is mainstream and these ideas of systemic racism.

00:29:39.000 But it also created a sort of cultural hierarchy of moral culpability where there's an idea that so being labeled a racist is currently the worst possible thing.

00:29:51.000 That you could be labeled as in your entire in the entire country.

00:29:56.000 It's in fact, it's so taboo.

00:29:58.000 Our whole country is basically, you know, really in sort of the post World War Two consensus and definitely in the civil rights era has been the it is the largest crime. 0.82

00:30:09.000 And something that when I was on Tucker, I talked about this, that I've always thought it was very fascinating.

00:30:15.000 Jeffrey Dahmer, of all people.

00:30:26.000 You know, I think it was like 16, was the 16, 17, up to like early 20s.

00:30:31.000 But in interviews that he gave later from prison, so he confesses to the police, and then in interviews that he later gave from prison or while locked up, he would implore people to Understand that he was in fact not a racist.

00:30:46.000 That he did not choose his victims.

00:30:48.000 He said it over and over.

00:30:50.000 That he didn't choose them because of the color of their skin.

00:30:52.000 Because he didn't want people to think Izzy was a racist.

00:30:55.000 So I just want everyone to understand that Jeffrey Dahmer, a guy who killed in some cases eight body parts of his victims, was willing to admit to murder.

00:31:05.000 Admit to cannibalism.

00:31:06.000 But he really wanted to make sure people didn't know he was a racist.

00:31:11.000 And obviously, you know, that's an extreme example, but I do think that it's something that discusses this social fabric of what's going on in our country, where it's like, even a guy like Jeffrey Dahmer, as depraved as he is, is still worried about breaking this social taboo,

00:31:27.000 when he's obviously done so many other horrible things.

00:31:30.000 And so, it's like we have this narrative that can't be broken, and even in a situation like this, we've just got this horrible human tragedy.

00:31:40.000 You know, a twin brother dying in his own brother's arms, that you still have people that want to hold to this narrative of, you know, well, you know, it's not really his fault because he's acting out based on the years of oppression that he's, which by the way,

00:31:55.000 if you go and look at, and people have showed pictures of Carmelo Anthony's house that he grew up in, he's got a bigger house than I do.

00:32:02.000 You know, his family does.

00:32:03.000 And they've got, you know, gorgeous, by the way, you know, gorgeous looking family, great cars.

00:32:09.000 Looks like he's very upper middle class, if not higher than that.

00:32:13.000 So, I mean, this is not someone who comes from, like, poverty or anything like this.

00:32:18.000 It's actually someone who comes from a very stable background, it seems like, and yet still was willing to be violent in this instance.

00:32:27.000 And so, obviously, you know, it's like our realities are not comporting with the things that we have been taught at school or taught by Hollywood.

00:32:38.000 Yeah, exactly though.

00:32:39.000 But Jack, I mean, let's play cut 229.

00:32:42.000 I think this is the day after.

00:32:44.000 This cut is from the day after his son is just unexpectedly, tragically murdered in cold blood.

00:32:53.000 229. I want to clarify something right off the start because I've already heard some rumors and gossip.

00:32:59.000 This was not a race thing.

00:33:01.000 This is not a political thing.

00:33:03.000 Please do not comment if you do not know what happened.

00:33:06.000 Try. Do not turn this into a racial thing.

00:33:09.000 Do not politicize this.

00:33:12.000 It's not.

00:33:13.000 This is a human being thing.

00:33:16.000 This person made a bad choice and it affected both his family and my family forever.

00:33:24.000 That's his dad?

00:33:27.000 Yeah, that's his dad.

00:33:28.000 His dad is playing it very cool.

00:33:29.000 I would be very...

00:33:31.000 I would say things a lot differently.

00:33:33.000 I would say...

00:33:35.000 I don't think that I could say...

00:33:37.000 Well, first of all, I wouldn't be doing media.

00:33:39.000 That's number one.

00:33:40.000 I wouldn't be doing media at all.

00:33:43.000 I mean, yeah, I don't even think I'm comfortable even saying how I would react if someone took one of my kids away.

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00:34:54.000 I wanted to highlight because we mentioned the Jeffrey Dahmer one and I wanted to give because I think this would be an update to a lot of people.

00:35:03.000 We gave a lot of focus to the when there was that shooting in Nashville, Tennessee, where the shooter appeared to be, you know, had pronouns of uncertain gender identity, and then they were never releasing the manifesto for ages, and it trailed off.

00:35:18.000 And recently they released a very lengthy police report on the shooting and what motivated it, and they basically did give the whole story on it.

00:35:28.000 And one of the things that was revealed in that report was that the shooter...

00:35:33.000 ...had been planning a shooting for some time and had considered many different targets, and the shooter had been bullied and had been unhappy at her, I think it was her middle school.

00:35:45.000 But she didn't want to do a shooting there and instead targeted the Christian school she had attended where her best memories were because she believed she would be regarded as racist if she shot up her middle school and didn't want to distract from the real reasons for the shooting with misleading reporting about her motivations.

00:36:04.000 And this is not to say she should have shot up a different place.

00:36:08.000 That would be a deranged thing to say.

00:36:09.000 But it is...

00:36:12.000 I think a revealing look at American psychology, when you have absolutely psychopathic people still having this thought intrude on their thought process for how these things work.

00:36:25.000 There was another case I was reading about the other day, because Jack mentioned.

00:36:30.000 Oh, Blake, I'm sorry to interrupt, but some of the lines that she used will underscore your point here.

00:36:36.000 It's like, she says, yeah, so she says, Again, this is Audrey Hale, who thought that she was a boy. 0.95

00:36:43.000 But being white sucks, but being black is so cool. 0.99

00:36:47.000 Black people should rule. 1.00

00:36:48.000 White people should fall. 1.00

00:36:50.000 Every white person who lived and died, I hate you all. 1.00

00:36:53.000 And it should be noted, Audrey Hale is white, and she wrote about killing, kill all the white kids. 1.00

00:37:01.000 Kill all the white kids. 1.00

00:37:03.000 And she loathed America. 1.00

00:37:05.000 She wants to kill my own race, destroy all the white people who are teachers. 1.00

00:37:10.000 Just to put a button on that. 1.00

00:37:11.000 It was a really extraordinary language.

00:37:14.000 Tyler, you were saying something?

00:37:16.000 I was just saying, I just was looking at this thing.

00:37:20.000 I don't know if I can tell you exactly how I respond if my kid got killed in this situation.

00:37:25.000 It would be saying some of the things much more vibrantly than we said here, which is this is told like what Andrew said.

00:37:31.000 This is thug behavior.

00:37:34.000 I don't send my kids to public school for thug behavior.

00:37:38.000 And by the way, this is a good reason why everyone is pulling their kids out of public school.

00:37:43.000 They're pulling their kids out of cities, they're getting their family out of cities, and they're getting their kids out of public school.

00:37:48.000 And I know this isn't like an inner city place.

00:37:51.000 This is a very suburban location, but this has grown a lot.

00:37:55.000 This location...

00:37:58.000 Where this happened is a once suburban rural community that's turned into a more suburban urban area.

00:38:09.000 And that's what's happened to a lot of places.

00:38:11.000 and a lot of people are saying, I don't recognize my community anymore.

00:38:14.000 And this is what happens when you don't have a good handle on things, when you let things slide, when you let gangs like start to infiltrate, like we saw in Denver, we're seeing in Dallas, we're seeing in Phoenix, we're seeing Las Vegas, we're seeing all over California.

00:38:29.000 You let gang-like mob-like behavior happen.

00:38:34.000 And when you have lackadaisical leadership that's in schools and

00:38:39.000 I would call this out and say, this is...

00:38:44.000 This is thug stuff.

00:38:45.000 This is why our communities need to get cleaned up.

00:38:48.000 This is why I'm yanking my kids out of public school.

00:38:50.000 This is why I'm yanking my kids out of cities.

00:38:54.000 That's a normal conversation I think America needs to have in suburban America.

00:38:59.000 I honestly don't even like thinking about it.

00:39:05.000 It's so far beyond...

00:39:10.000 Everything would be off.

00:39:11.000 Just everything would be off.

00:39:12.000 But look, there is a problem.

00:39:15.000 There's a huge problem in this country.

00:39:17.000 The violence is getting absolutely out of control.

00:39:20.000 The interpersonal violence is getting completely out of control.

00:39:22.000 And there needs to be something fixed.

00:39:24.000 And I'm sorry, this demonization of young white males at every level of society needs to stop.

00:39:31.000 It just absolutely needs to stop.

00:39:33.000 Yeah, and I am thinking about it, Jack, because I've got a 15-year-old, which is crazy, and I go to his wrestling meets, and I see some aggressiveness all the time.

00:39:46.000 Obviously, it's wrestling, and you see kids getting into fights.

00:39:49.000 And sports, it's just normal.

00:39:51.000 It's part of it, but I've thought about before, what would I do if my kid was in one of those situations?

00:40:01.000 And I don't think making excuses for the situation helps.

00:40:06.000 I think it's, again, it's, you know, again, and my kid, for full disclosure, is in public school.

00:40:13.000 You know, that's the decision that we've made with his parents and between parents and him.

00:40:20.000 But it's like, you know, you have to be on guard and be thoughtful of this stuff because, again, you're losing.

00:40:28.000 Your community around you.

00:40:29.000 And that's why I think it's so important right now with what's going on.

00:40:34.000 Not just in the education spectrum, but we're talking about with the legals.

00:40:37.000 A lot of people are boohooing about ICE coming in and sending people home.

00:40:44.000 And they're even sending home kids and teenagers coming into high schools in some cases and pulling them out.

00:40:49.000 And it's like, this is the reason why.

00:40:51.000 I mean, you're losing everything around you.

00:40:54.000 And we cannot sit by and just let this stuff keep going on.

00:40:58.000 You just can't.

00:40:58.000 I hope there's a major reaction that happens in their community there and it's not just like, oh, well, you know, it's not anyone's fault because of their skin color or whatever, you know, how they were raised.

00:41:10.000 It's like, no, actually, how they were raised has everything to do with it.

00:41:14.000 How they're being taught and managed, you know, in the classroom has everything to do with it.

00:41:19.000 How they're being coached has everything to do with it.

00:41:20.000 Like, this is terrible stuff.

00:41:23.000 Life-altering stuff, and it shouldn't just be glossed over and ignored.

00:41:28.000 And again, I'm not trying to be critical of the dad.

00:41:30.000 Like you said, I probably wouldn't be going on TV, and if someone caught me outside my house, I would be going probably a little bit crazy, like what I'm saying right now, which is just like there's no excuse.

00:41:42.000 It's despicable. 0.86

00:41:43.000 It's disgusting.

00:41:43.000 And the school deserves a lot of responsibility for our community, deserves a lot of responsibility for this, and we've got to fix it.

00:41:53.000 But it's just crazy.

00:41:55.000 Now, one thing that I do want to say before we move topics here is that de-escalation, this is really a great example of why, and we're not justifying anything here, but what I'm saying is if you do find yourselves in one of those situations, it's always the best opportunity or the best option to take yourself and say,

00:42:16.000 take a step back and say, all right, guys.

00:42:19.000 you know this way is it really worth it over a seat right is it really worth going and paying that price overseeing i'm not saying that you know he thought that that would happen at all or was anywhere within his thinking but again De-escalation is always an option in these cases.

00:42:35.000 Like, hey, we're going to go get somebody if we have to, et cetera, et cetera, something like that.

00:42:39.000 Or, hey, this guy's threatening, you know, whatever it is, you do want to try de-escalation.

00:42:44.000 And I would say teaching that to people.

00:42:46.000 Now, if you find yourself in a threat, if you find yourself in a fight, someone actually is threatening you, of course, you got to do what you got to do.

00:42:53.000 But again, de-escalation, I think, is absolutely key.

00:42:56.000 And I've been in a number of situations where, and people have seen stuff where I've been, you know, outnumbered by, you know, hundreds of people and, you know, held my ground, but I did what I could to deescalate.

00:43:07.000 So I was able to get out of those situations.

00:43:09.000 questions.

00:43:10.000 What is our next topic?

00:43:13.000 We've got a bunch of topics up on this.

00:43:14.000 Yeah, we're going to pivot to something a little lighter here, Jack.

00:43:18.000 And that is Dire Wolves 208.

00:43:21.000 Let's start the segment with clip 208.

00:43:26.000 The howl of a dire wolf hasn't been heard on planet Earth for more than 10,000 years.

00:43:32.000 That's because the species is extinct.

00:43:35.000 Or was.

00:43:37.000 Colossal Biosciences is a Dallas-based company that's using genetic engineering to de-extinct long-gone species.

00:43:46.000 And this is the first time Colossal's dire wolf pups, who are now six months old, have been seen by the public.

00:43:57.000 That's wild.

00:43:59.000 That's the clip, and I think there's a photo of a certain famous celebrity type guy who was seen with the direwolves.

00:44:09.000 There we go!

00:44:12.000 George R.R. Martin himself.

00:44:15.000 Yeah, Blake, take it away.

00:44:16.000 This is the best thing.

00:44:17.000 The direwolf, so for those who don't know, a lot of people have watched Game of Thrones and they don't know, direwolves...

00:44:22.000 ...are real, or rather were real.

00:44:24.000 They are a species of wolf that went extinct about 10,000 years ago, so they overlapped with people, but not, like, written history.

00:44:34.000 And kind of what makes a direwolf different from a normal...

00:44:37.000 They're not...

00:44:38.000 They're not as portrayed in Game of Thrones or in A Song of Ice and Fire where they're basically just really big wolves.

00:44:44.000 It's more like they're a more robust wolf.

00:44:47.000 I think they're wider.

00:44:48.000 They have a heavier skeleton.

00:44:51.000 So it would probably be a tougher wolf, but not necessarily a bigger one.

00:44:54.000 Now, what's fun about this, of course, is I think they've been extinct for 10,000 years.

00:45:00.000 I read my first George R. R. Martin novel in, I think, 2005.

00:45:08.000 And I was in high school then.

00:45:12.000 And, you know, 20 years have passed now.

00:45:15.000 And we literally have brought Dire Wolves back from the dead.

00:45:19.000 Allegedly. We can get into the details of that.

00:45:21.000 And he still hasn't written Winds of Winter.

00:45:23.000 And there's no evidence he ever will.

00:45:25.000 And I know Jack is going to have strong opinions on that.

00:45:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:29.000 For people who don't know my background, before politics, I kind of first got big on the internet for running this Game of Thrones blog called Angry GOT Fan.

00:45:40.000 And I was, you know, like...

00:45:44.000 Someone who's like from the perspective of a books reader.

00:45:47.000 It was like very sarcastic and very tongue-in-cheek.

00:45:49.000 But yeah, I was always hating on the HBO show because it wasn't true to the books.

00:45:53.000 And then it just kind of took off and just had a life of its own.

00:45:57.000 But yeah, so the very first scene in both the books and the show is the finding of the dire wolf pups in the north outside of Winterfell.

00:46:07.000 And like the main characters get there.

00:46:10.000 And so there's this, yeah, it's literally been, so the book series has not ended, is what Blake's talking about.

00:46:18.000 Because the first five books are out, but there's planned to be seven, at least as we know of.

00:46:23.000 Although the TV series, of course, ended and had this hugely controversial ending.

00:46:26.000 that the book series has not ended.

00:46:29.000 And in fact, no new books have been released in the series since the TV show started.

00:46:35.000 So the final book, book five of the series, came out in 2011.

00:46:39.000 So 14 years ago is when the last book actually came out.

00:46:45.000 And the next book, which...

00:46:53.000 And, you know, a lot of the fans and this has been something where, you know, HBO has been trying to kind of overcome this by releasing the prequel series, which isn't quite as popular as the original one.

00:47:04.000 I mean, when Game of Thrones first started, it was just this massive cultural force.

00:47:08.000 And, you know, that's definitely one of the things I would be like on deployment.

00:47:13.000 And tweeting about it.

00:47:14.000 And yeah, you just see, you know, thousands and thousands of people there live tweeting the show or, you know, arguing about it and arguing about things.

00:47:23.000 And, you know, then of course we had like the SJWs came in and I sort of experienced like a little bit of, I think with the video game guys called Gamergate, you know, around about that same timeframe in 2014, 2015.

00:47:34.000 And then I took a brief sabbatical, brief break from that to go and make America great again.

00:47:41.000 So here I am.

00:47:43.000 But, you know, it's been this crazy thing where, yeah, you know, it was such a good series, and, you know, I think that what they did on the TV show, I'm just going to say it, I think what they did on the show totally poisoned the experience for a lot of people,

00:47:59.000 and it just killed what could have been this massive fandom, but instead, you know, it just made a lot of people be like, oh, yeah, I don't like that anymore, and they kind of just walked away.

00:48:09.000 But now the Dire Wolves are back, so maybe there's...

00:48:11.000 Maybe there's some hope.

00:48:11.000 Maybe there's some hope for the winds of winter.

00:48:13.000 I was reading this whole thing about how this is not actually bringing the dire wolf back.

00:48:20.000 This is a genetically edited gray wolf.

00:48:24.000 This is all a lie.

00:48:26.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:48:27.000 This is massively fake news.

00:48:29.000 We should clarify on that.

00:48:31.000 First off, because I was really into this, I was like, oh wow, this is cool.

00:48:36.000 And everybody was talking about all the things that they were going to bring back.

00:48:38.000 We literally can bring nothing back.

00:48:41.000 They just genetically edited a gray wolf upon further research.

00:48:46.000 And it's the easiest thing to edit because designer dogs, you know how there's all these different breeds of dogs and everything else?

00:48:54.000 Dogs are...

00:48:56.000 Canines are actually really easy to manipulate their genetic code here.

00:49:02.000 Apparently, this is just a really massive step in genetic editing on stuff.

00:49:09.000 They don't know how long they're going to live.

00:49:12.000 They're not going to breed them or anything like that.

00:49:15.000 I just wanted to throw that in there.

00:49:17.000 There's always that question if they can mate for themselves.

00:49:22.000 Producer Foz is saying it's like IVF for extinct animals.

00:49:26.000 Yeah, so I want to explain more of it, because this is real science that's coming that people should be aware of.

00:49:32.000 Because what they did is, really what they did is they took existing wolves, I think, I'm not sure if it was a timber wolf or a gray wolf, and they just added, they manipulated a few traits of it to take it in a dire wolf direction.

00:49:45.000 And then they're hyping it as they brought the dire wolf back because they're a Texas startup that wants lots of attention on themselves because biological sciences.

00:49:54.000 But it does raise the possibility we are headed in the direction of being able to do this more and more.

00:50:01.000 The thing they used to do this is called CRISPR, and it's basically a science we have that allows for gene editing.

00:50:07.000 And what is coming eventually is CRISPR-edited technology.

00:50:23.000 So you can take a baby that is in utero and edit its genes to potentially change its eye color.

00:50:30.000 On the positive end, you could manipulate its genes to take away some otherwise fatal or harmful genetic abnormality.

00:50:39.000 But obviously you'll also have it on the other end.

00:50:41.000 Could we be using CRISPR to make sure people come out with an IQ of 120 or 140 or 190?

00:50:49.000 We could make sure they're 6 feet tall or 7 feet tall or 10 feet tall.

00:50:54.000 Who knows?

00:50:55.000 All of this is coming down the pipe and it's interesting how the spin of we're bringing back an animal you thought was fictional is just sort of the...

00:51:07.000 ...leading edge of what will actually be an enormous social and scientific issue in the years to come.

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00:52:32.000 Yeah, this is Gattaca.

00:52:34.000 There's a ton of Michael Crichton where he gets into this.

00:52:37.000 Not just Jurassic Park, but other books as well that do specifically get into gene editing.

00:52:42.000 The fact that there's no laws on this whatsoever.

00:52:45.000 It's also, interestingly enough, it's going to play a role in insurance rates.

00:52:50.000 Right. Because, you know, people will be able to, you know, the company will say, well, hey, we want your DNA sequence.

00:52:55.000 And then they're going to say, oh, well, you have a, you know, you have a propensity for this, propensity for this, propensity for this.

00:53:02.000 And so your insurance is going to be a lot higher for a number of different things.

00:53:06.000 But on the flip side, too, just with gene sequencing, not necessarily gene editing, you potentially can actually get like tailor made health care, like your health care could actually get.

00:53:15.000 Really better because of this.

00:53:17.000 And even I've seen some writing about, you know, people talking about the idea that you could get specifically made synthesized medicine that's made specifically for you because they know it's exactly something that can work with your, you know,

00:53:32.000 work with your genotype and to say like, OK, this is exactly what you need.

00:53:36.000 But if you give it to somebody else, like it might not even have any effect at all or it might kill them, you know, which is you're not supposed to be giving your medicine to other people anyway.

00:53:43.000 But it's.

00:53:44.000 There's all sorts of implications for this.

00:53:47.000 But yeah, obviously the scariest one is, do we get into Gattaca?

00:53:51.000 Are we going down that road?

00:53:53.000 And we clearly are, by the way.

00:53:54.000 I was at the NATO conference in Austin last weekend, and this was like a huge controversy they were writing about because there were some speakers there who claimed that they have used a, so they use IVF, and they were

00:54:08.000 about a sort of process that they were using for screening the embryos that were created in their IVF process and screening for intelligence.

00:54:19.000 It wasn't like...

00:54:23.000 Editing, but it was like they were looking at the embryos and they were trying to figure out which ones would be the strongest or the smartest, etc.

00:54:32.000 And then they were selecting for those.

00:54:34.000 And so that's just for me as a Catholic, that's something I have a huge issue with, particularly when it comes to the destruction of the embryos.

00:54:43.000 But I don't know.

00:54:44.000 Andrew, you're out in California.

00:54:46.000 I'm sure you hear stories like that all the time.

00:54:49.000 I mean, my whole thing is why.

00:54:51.000 That's my whole thing.

00:54:53.000 I guess there's like, you know, it's in the human spirit to explore the unknown and to embark on things that haven't been done before.

00:54:59.000 But I'm like, you know, where we have wolves in Yellowstone, it's like, it's already a problem.

00:55:06.000 With the ranchers and things throughout Montana.

00:55:09.000 So it's like, I don't know.

00:55:10.000 Why do we need more wolves? 0.93

00:55:11.000 I blame George R.R. Martin for this fascination in the first place.

00:55:16.000 I'm sort of relieved to know that it's not a pure dire wolf.

00:55:21.000 I don't know.

00:55:22.000 That seems scary to me.

00:55:24.000 They died out for a reason.

00:55:25.000 I don't know.

00:55:26.000 I don't have a whole lot of opinions about this.

00:55:29.000 Wait, wait.

00:55:30.000 Can we use them for border security?

00:55:34.000 Then that would be a good why.

00:55:36.000 That would be a good why.

00:55:38.000 That fulfills my why.

00:55:39.000 Maybe some saber-toothed tigers.

00:55:42.000 Get some of those back.

00:55:43.000 Put them down on the border.

00:55:44.000 A couple of those giant sloths. 0.64

00:55:47.000 Blake, what are those?

00:55:49.000 It's kind of like it's a rhino, but it's the size of an elephant.

00:55:52.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:55:53.000 I can't remember that one.

00:55:55.000 You know what I'm talking about, right?

00:55:59.000 Kind of.

00:55:59.000 I'm mixing it up with a creature that might only be in Star Wars.

00:56:02.000 The ancient megafauna I always think of is they have those giant ultra sloths that used to live in the Americas that are like the size of a grizzly bear.

00:56:13.000 I can't remember the name of it, but I think it might have just been like giant sloth or super sloth.

00:56:18.000 Didn't they have like hairy rhinos? 1.00

00:56:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:21.000 No, there was definitely a giant.

00:56:23.000 I think you should call them giant rhinos.

00:56:25.000 No, there definitely were giant rhinos that were, like, bigger.

00:56:27.000 There was also short-faced bears, which are, like, twice the size of grizzly bears.

00:56:33.000 Paraceratherium. Paraceratherium.

00:56:35.000 Yeah, we're gonna go with giant rhinos. 0.97

00:56:37.000 So, it was the size of four African elephants.

00:56:40.000 Oh, yeah!

00:56:42.000 I want that right on the Rio Grande.

00:56:46.000 All this is reminding me of, like, visiting the tar pits in Los Angeles, and they have all the megafauna and all the...

00:56:54.000 No, that's where George R. R. Martin got the idea.

00:56:58.000 Oh, okay.

00:56:59.000 No, he's literally told the story that that's where he got the idea to do direwolves, because he was visiting the tar pits, and I guess, like you're saying, they have some display of the megafauna, the mega mammals, and he saw direwolves and was like, oh, this would make a cool thing.

00:57:16.000 He's literally talked about that.

00:57:17.000 Yeah, the tar pits are actually really cool.

00:57:19.000 That giant rhino was hairy.

00:57:21.000 Wow. It was a woolly rhino.

00:57:23.000 Yeah. Was it as hairy as Blake?

00:57:26.000 I want to...

00:57:27.000 Just so you guys know, Blake from the neck down is incredibly hairy.

00:57:33.000 It all just slunk through my head and then it just grows out further down.

00:57:42.000 Angela's got a very fun question.

00:57:44.000 Maybe Angela has a good question for us, which is would we be willing, would we consider it moral to Alter the genes of any children we're going to have.

00:57:58.000 What could the tiers of it be?

00:58:00.000 You could alter it.

00:58:01.000 Is it moral to alter it so they don't die of something?

00:58:04.000 If you know, 99% they'll die before age 5 of a degenerative genetic condition.

00:58:11.000 And then the next one, would you do it for stuff that is...

00:58:14.000 Not mandatory, but clearly advantageous in life.

00:58:18.000 So you can guarantee they'll have 10 higher IQ points.

00:58:22.000 Or you can guarantee they'll be taller if they're a guy.

00:58:26.000 And then purely aesthetic things, like give it so they have green eyes or red hair, which they otherwise would not.

00:58:34.000 I think a lot of us would agree it would probably be unethical to, for example...

00:58:39.000 Create ten embryos and then throw nine of them away to pick one?

00:58:43.000 But is it ethical to just literally edit one child where if they already exist, they won't die, but you just modify their traits?

00:58:52.000 Is that ethical or not?

00:58:55.000 So, I mean, this is Gattaca, right?

00:58:57.000 This is the Gattaca question, is what kind of a world does that create when everyone's doing that? 1.00

00:59:03.000 You're essentially creating this idea that, you know, you're playing God.

00:59:08.000 You're playing God with society.

00:59:10.000 You're playing God with your own children.

00:59:12.000 And yeah, of course people are going to say like, well, I don't want my kid to have this genetic disease.

00:59:16.000 I want my kid to have this.

00:59:18.000 But eventually, down the line, what you will do is you'll create a society where basically you have like, and this is what they depict in Gattaca, they call them the valids and the invalids, where there's this two-tier system of social classes.

00:59:35.000 Where one are the genetically modified people and then the rest, they call them like love babies.

00:59:41.000 And you're the invalid. 0.72

00:59:42.000 So you're not valid.

00:59:44.000 You're not valid to have certain jobs.

00:59:48.000 You do the menial labor.

00:59:50.000 Gore Vidal is there.

00:59:51.000 It's a very interesting movie.

00:59:53.000 And so it becomes a problem, I think, for society because what you're doing is you're taking away that essential human condition to say that people can naturally be stronger, people can naturally be better,

01:00:09.000 people can actually have that talent, and that there is something that you're tapping into that's ultimately bigger than just the sum of your genes.

01:00:18.000 Well, and I just want to point out, too, the effects of...

01:00:22.000 Current CRISPR outcomes is that there are tons of mutations that are awful.

01:00:30.000 I mean, they have recorded.

01:00:32.000 This is part of the reason why most of Christendom opposes stem cell research is because of the outcomes that are there and how it does cause.

01:00:47.000 There is a bunch of throwaway.

01:00:50.000 Yeah, outcomes that come from it.

01:00:52.000 But to your point, let's say that there was none of those that existed.

01:00:57.000 I still think that like exactly what what Jack is saying is that you like part of the beauty of the procreation is that you don't have control over the outcomes.

01:01:09.000 And this is this goes to where, you know, some of the arguments are made from the pro-life community is that you.

01:01:16.000 Take the outcomes that exist and you work with that because that's what God has given you.

01:01:23.000 So I think that that's, you know, you start getting into that.

01:01:27.000 Obviously, there's things that haven't.

01:01:29.000 Plus, I mean, we saw what happened in the Clone Wars and Star Wars, right?

01:01:32.000 So, you know, we just, yeah.

01:01:35.000 I mean, if there's another Blake walking around, I mean.

01:01:40.000 Truly, if we start getting into slightly better-looking versions of all of us out there, we're definitely going to fall to the bottom of the barrel.

01:01:51.000 Since we're specifically on the topic of dire wolves, I think we have to engage with a particularly horrifying kind of genetic engineering, which could be possible, which is, what if...

01:02:04.000 The furries become capable of creating actual humanoid furry creatures.

01:02:12.000 I think, because one, they'll definitely want to do this.

01:02:17.000 Two, it's not well known, but furries often work in tech.

01:02:20.000 They're an oddly well-funded, gross, creepy hobby.

01:02:25.000 So they will have the money, and soon they will have the technology.

01:02:32.000 They may unleash horrors beyond our comprehension.

01:02:34.000 That's weird.

01:02:35.000 I actually got an Uber ride when I was in Florida from a furry.

01:02:42.000 Whoa! What? 0.73

01:02:44.000 This should have been our lead topic.

01:02:47.000 This was months ago.

01:02:49.000 I was in the car.

01:02:52.000 You've been sitting on it for months?

01:02:53.000 There was a whole bunch of weird stuff that happened in this interaction.

01:02:57.000 It was a furry...

01:02:58.000 What city is it?

01:03:00.000 What part of Florida?

01:03:01.000 This is Miami, right?

01:03:02.000 No, this is in Palm Beach.

01:03:04.000 West Palm Beach.

01:03:05.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:03:06.000 West Palm Beach.

01:03:07.000 Miami culture is spreading.

01:03:09.000 It's spreading.

01:03:09.000 Yeah, I mean, candidly, I was there for, you know, official business.

01:03:14.000 And so we were close to the winter White House.

01:03:18.000 And they picked me up in a Tesla Model 3. So, it was a Tesla.

01:03:25.000 This person was not a Trump fan, but they voted for Trump because, I don't know, they just, anyway.

01:03:32.000 And this person was apparently sort of ambiguous gender stuff and had a boyfriend, but I think was actually technically a girl, but didn't identify as one.

01:03:47.000 It was lots of strange things going on.

01:03:48.000 Wait, wait, wait, Andrew.

01:03:49.000 No, you have to explain.

01:03:50.000 What costume were they in?

01:03:52.000 Were they a wolf?

01:03:53.000 Yeah, they had like a...

01:03:55.000 It's not a costume.

01:03:57.000 They had kind of like a nose, like a fox or something.

01:04:02.000 And then they had kind of like a raccoon tail.

01:04:05.000 I don't think it was a fox tail.

01:04:07.000 I'm not even kidding.

01:04:08.000 It was a hole.

01:04:10.000 Like a mismatch.

01:04:12.000 Yeah, they had ears.

01:04:13.000 You know?

01:04:16.000 True story.

01:04:17.000 My only actual interaction I've ever had.

01:04:20.000 Did they have like anime stickers all over the car?

01:04:24.000 You run into that sometimes.

01:04:26.000 It was.

01:04:28.000 They had it over the dashboard.

01:04:30.000 Something was hanging from the rear view mirror.

01:04:34.000 And I just was like, I was sitting there going, so, how long have you known this?

01:04:39.000 And it was just basically, this feels more real to me than not wearing this costume.

01:04:45.000 Like, okay.

01:04:47.000 Very nice person.

01:04:49.000 That guy is so excited for CRISPR.

01:04:52.000 That guy saw this news story and actually I don't want to say more about how that person reacted to this news story because I'll get in trouble.

01:05:01.000 But that's what's coming.

01:05:03.000 There are a lot of people who are going to be way into that.

01:05:07.000 It's very upsetting.

01:05:09.000 We have to prepare ourselves.

01:05:10.000 We may need to prepare in advance, maybe announce.

01:05:14.000 Like, if we pull off the Greenland thing, we could say there will be a safe part of Greenland and it can be the colony for all of the furry people.

01:05:23.000 And you can make them, you can exist, but they have to go into exile.

01:05:26.000 We have to have a parallel society.

01:05:28.000 They'll be warm, they have fur.

01:05:30.000 The falony.

01:05:31.000 No, you can't.

01:05:32.000 That's a horrible idea.

01:05:34.000 Tyler, where are you looking?

01:05:36.000 Where are you looking?

01:05:37.000 Greenland only has...

01:05:40.000 Sorry, I keep looking at the big screen because I'm not used to this seat.

01:05:45.000 Greenland only has, like, 50,000 people in it.

01:05:47.000 We can't, like, have, like, 10% of the culture be furries.

01:05:50.000 We can't have it, like, be 20%.

01:05:52.000 Are you saying the furries would take over Greenland?

01:05:54.000 Immediately! They would, like...

01:05:56.000 No, you have to...

01:05:59.000 The furries belong in, you know, somewhere where we're never gonna win again.

01:06:05.000 You know, deep...

01:06:07.000 Yeah, deep in L.A., deep in New York City, wherever, right?

01:06:11.000 Well, Andrew just said this one voted for Trump, so maybe Scott Pressler can go and register some furries.

01:06:20.000 We did not win the furry vote.

01:06:21.000 We do not need to win the furry vote.

01:06:25.000 You know, just saying.

01:06:26.000 Maybe we could get a point, like a turning point action.

01:06:31.000 Maybe. This was a Florida furry.

01:06:34.000 They're the exception.

01:06:35.000 Low propensity voter.

01:06:37.000 Turning point fur.

01:06:39.000 What would we call it?

01:06:40.000 Turning point fur?

01:06:44.000 Maybe furball point action?

01:06:46.000 You're not winning the furry vote, all right, Jack?

01:06:50.000 That is taking your eye off the ball.

01:06:53.000 No, it's not winning the vote.

01:06:54.000 It's about the low propensity.

01:06:55.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:06:56.000 Where's Mr. Low Propensity Voters?

01:06:59.000 You target and you get them out.

01:07:03.000 What if Charlie has to go do an event?

01:07:07.000 What if Charlie has to do an event at a large furry convention because we determined that they're political swing voters and he has to speak at the...

01:07:16.000 No, we cannot.

01:07:22.000 But here's a funny story, though.

01:07:24.000 We've had, in the early Turning Point days, we used to hold our conferences at the cheapest time of year at some of the cheapest hotels.

01:07:32.000 And there was more than one occasion where we had some really interesting conventions happening like the week before or like simultaneous like right next door to us.

01:07:42.000 And one of them for one of our trainings was a furry convention was happening at the same hotel.

01:07:48.000 Did you go, Tyler?

01:07:51.000 Did you go to the furry convention?

01:07:54.000 from a distance and they were not can I say this this has been one of the weirder thought crimes and I dig it so they were not Charlie Charlie leaves for one week Tyler says they observed

01:08:09.000 Tyler says they observed it at a distance, and all I'm going to note is, like, five feet is a distance.

01:08:14.000 It was close.

01:08:15.000 They were just, like, in the next, you know, conference.

01:08:17.000 One foot, in fact, is a distance.

01:08:19.000 There was other ones, too.

01:08:20.000 One time there was a pole dancing convention happening right next door.

01:08:25.000 I'm not even kidding you.

01:08:26.000 This was, like, early, early on.

01:08:28.000 Early on, we were like, ugh.

01:08:31.000 It's terrible.

01:08:32.000 Not good.

01:08:33.000 So there were pole dancing furries. 0.97

01:08:36.000 No, not the same one.

01:08:37.000 Separate times.

01:08:39.000 Oh, oh.

01:08:41.000 Oh, thank you.

01:08:42.000 But there could have been furries there as well.

01:08:44.000 Yeah, probably.

01:08:45.000 I mean, whoa, that's okay.

01:08:47.000 I actually do think a lot of pole dancers are Trump supporters.

01:08:51.000 I don't think the furries are on our side.

01:08:54.000 I think there's actually a lot of...

01:08:55.000 I view the furry culture the same way on Reddit when I read Disney adult stuff and things like that.

01:09:03.000 We're not winning that vote.

01:09:06.000 What do you read on Reddit?

01:09:08.000 What do you read on Reddit, Tyler?

01:09:09.000 I made the mistake of following Disneyland or something on Reddit when we went to Disneyland a few years ago.

01:09:18.000 And I've got sucked in because it's all just like the most beta male and all the Disney adult type language.

01:09:27.000 Oh, it's a religion.

01:09:28.000 It's a full religion.

01:09:28.000 It is like a slow train wreck to watch.

01:09:32.000 It's like the most horrifying thing.

01:09:33.000 But speaking of which, we have to We have to know why Mormons, specifically Utah Mormons, love Disneyland so much.

01:09:41.000 We already talked about this.

01:09:45.000 It's Instagram.

01:09:46.000 It's all Instagram culture.

01:09:49.000 Instagram culture, plus it's cheap enough to direct it.

01:09:52.000 Of course, I like the last part of the episode, but I'm like, Instagram brain is so bad.

01:09:59.000 It's so bad.

01:10:00.000 It's destroying so much in society.

01:10:05.000 We were not made for this.

01:10:07.000 We were not set up for this.

01:10:08.000 You know, and TikTok culture is like right on top of that.

01:10:11.000 But Instagram brain, yeah, it's a real thing.

01:10:13.000 It's so bad.

01:10:14.000 And it's like the difference between Instagram people and like, I think we're all kind of more like Twitter, text-based kind of people.

01:10:21.000 But Instagram brain is a real thing.

01:10:23.000 People really have it.

01:10:25.000 And yeah, I don't have a full theory of Instagram brain yet, but I think we all kind of know what it is.

01:10:30.000 And it's losing its footing, too.

01:10:32.000 I think that's part of the reason why the election was won, was because a lot of people have kind of given up on all the fakeness of Instagram, so I think that was more at its peak ahead of 2020, which that's a whole other theory, but it's interesting.

01:10:51.000 All right.

01:10:52.000 Do we have anything else we want to hit?

01:10:54.000 No, I think that's a good point.

01:10:55.000 Let's end on Instagram brain and the fact that we won.

01:10:58.000 Well, that's a cliffhanger.

01:11:00.000 It's a cliffhanger of Instagram brain because I intend to bring this up.

01:11:04.000 By the way, so much more.

01:11:05.000 Yeah. Yeah.

01:11:07.000 Well, I would just say there's one weird breaking news tie in, which is not usually what we do on Thoughtcrime.

01:11:13.000 But TikTok, the sale of TikTok has been shelved indefinitely.

01:11:18.000 Not even sure there will be a deal to be made with the Chinese because of the tariff announcement pausing with all the other countries and going up to 125 percent with China.

01:11:28.000 So the China trade war is putting the future of TikTok in some in some question.

01:11:35.000 Seize it.

01:11:36.000 Just seize it.

01:11:37.000 Seize the farmland.

01:11:39.000 Seize it.

01:11:40.000 Seize all of it.

01:11:40.000 Take it all.

01:11:41.000 Seize the app.

01:11:42.000 Seize the algo.

01:11:43.000 Seize the app.

01:11:44.000 Seize the app.

01:11:45.000 Seize the assets.

01:11:46.000 Seize the memes of production.

01:11:49.000 Alright, guys.

01:11:50.000 I think before we get into any more trouble, once again, Tyler's comments may have to be scrubbed from the record, but as always, go out there and...

01:12:04.000 But as always, go out there and commit more thought crimes.

01:12:07.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:12:09.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 12, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 79 — Real-Life Dire Wolves? Austin Metcalf and Karmelo Anthony?

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