The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 8 — To Debate or Not to Debate? Kill the Boer? Lizzo's Banana Republic?

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's on the Charlie Kirk show.

00:00:01.000 Thought crimes.

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00:00:03.000 We have Blake Neff, Tyler Boyer, Jack Pesobic.

00:00:06.000 We talk about Jack Smith.

00:00:08.000 We disagree about some of the Trump stuff.

00:00:10.000 We talk about Lizzo and more.

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00:00:20.000 Charlie, I don't like thought crimes.

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00:00:49.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:51.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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00:01:00.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:01.000 He's an incredible guy.

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00:01:19.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:23.000 Boy, I got to be honest, the name of the show just becomes more and more timely as we continue.

00:01:30.000 Blake Neff is with us, the increasingly popular Blake Neff, Tyler Boyer.

00:01:36.000 Hey, how are we doing?

00:01:36.000 Campus Victory Project t-shirt and Jack Pesobic, never heard of him, but he's with our show right now.

00:01:42.000 Jack, who are you?

00:01:43.000 They sometimes like type our reads, so they mention this guy.

00:01:47.000 That's why we found him.

00:01:48.000 I know, Jack, you look like something as a combination of inception and hell.

00:01:53.000 This looks like your background.

00:01:55.000 That's exactly.

00:01:56.000 No, well, I'm in Washington, D.C.

00:01:58.000 Well, okay, so that's what you were going for.

00:02:00.000 Inception, but hell.

00:02:02.000 Okay, let's, so everybody, this is thought crimes.

00:02:04.000 The reason why this show becomes more and more timely is that this indictment right here, Blake, you've read it multiple times.

00:02:12.000 I've read it twice.

00:02:13.000 Tyler, you've read it as well.

00:02:15.000 And Jack, I know you've gone through it.

00:02:17.000 This actually, the center of this is thought crimes.

00:02:19.000 Is that fair, Jack Poseobic?

00:02:21.000 Donald Trump thought things that you were not allowed to think.

00:02:25.000 Well, he not only, Charlie, not only did he think them, but he had the even far greater audacity and criminal intent, mens rea, as we say in The Viz, to actually speak his thought crimes publicly at one point, believe it or not, from a microphone in front of the White House.

00:02:48.000 And not only did he speak these unlawful opinions publicly, he even apparently shared them privately.

00:02:57.000 He shared them with, you know, people that you're not allowed to discuss legal strategy with, like lawyers, right?

00:03:03.000 Of course, because that's illegal now too.

00:03:05.000 In fact, all of these things that he did, like cite laws and precedent and hold speeches and have opinions, those are all illegal now because we named this show, what is this, episode seven, episode eight, something?

00:03:18.000 So about two months into the show here, we said we're going to call the show.

00:03:21.000 It's an incredibly...

00:03:23.000 And there we go.

00:03:24.000 It is a great, it's a very appropriately timed show.

00:03:27.000 So Blake, I mean, look, you're, you know, you're hyperdrive normie, right?

00:03:31.000 So you don't engage in any of the, you know, let's say tribal, tribal talk that Blake Tyler and I do, right?

00:03:38.000 You're, you're just on team, whatever, you know, is the most normal explanation.

00:03:41.000 But Blake, you're the one that's like, this is insane. 0.79

00:03:44.000 It's completely nuts.

00:03:45.000 Like, you know, I've certainly had a lot of criticism.

00:03:47.000 We've even discussed, you know, the other indictment where I'm like, okay, whatever else, this was totally avoidable.

00:03:52.000 This one, this is bad.

00:03:53.000 And like, you don't, it's not a matter of whether you think like any of the fraud claims are accurate or not.

00:03:58.000 it literally is, is they're basically saying Trump committed a crime by asserting that he believed in them.

00:04:04.000 And they're like, we can read his mind.

00:04:06.000 He didn't really believe this.

00:04:07.000 This was knowingly false.

00:04:08.000 They use the phrase like knowingly false probably 50 times in that indictment.

00:04:13.000 And it's just over and over again.

00:04:14.000 What it will be is it'll just be like, well, you know, Trump's lawyer, this one lawyer told him that this was not true.

00:04:20.000 And so after he's been told this, that means it's knowingly false that he said that.

00:04:23.000 Well, no, they don't talk about who else told them these things.

00:04:26.000 Who else was Trump listening to?

00:04:28.000 Like what, who, who was giving these narratives to Trump that he was deciding to believe this?

00:04:32.000 And literally, they just decide to criminalize that Trump chose to believe one person over another person.

00:04:38.000 So Blake, we have the indictment here, and I'll hand it to you.

00:04:40.000 And I want you to find some examples.

00:04:42.000 But can you cite some examples of that?

00:04:43.000 Because I just for sure.

00:04:45.000 Yeah.

00:04:45.000 And so, so Tyler, do you want to chime in here before I go back to Jack on this?

00:04:49.000 Because, I mean, this indictment is multifaceted, but let's talk about the political side, right?

00:04:53.000 You're like the great political mind of the generation.

00:04:55.000 Part of the RNC actually cares about it.

00:04:57.000 The politics of this is flummoxing to people.

00:05:00.000 You know the base really well.

00:05:01.000 Donald Trump's getting more popular since these indictments have gone down.

00:05:04.000 Yeah, I mean, look, well, let's take that first part.

00:05:07.000 So everything that happens to Donald Trump, and this is starting to go all the way back to 2015, every attack that is made on Donald Trump from either the establishment or from the left increases his popularity and it makes it their job harder.

00:05:21.000 So it's like crazy that we're still here and that they're going to the it's like every time they keep leveling up, you know, I call it like the Wiley Coyote type stuff, right?

00:05:31.000 Which is that the Wiley Coyote is trying to do something more, like more insidious every time and the Roadrunner still like outruns him.

00:05:40.000 So that's kind of where we've been politically since 2015 and Donald Trump.

00:05:44.000 And it seems like nothing works.

00:05:45.000 Yeah, I mean, so Tyler, help me make sense of this.

00:05:47.000 And this is a tangent while Blake finds the examples.

00:05:49.000 Actually, actually, I just got it right here.

00:05:51.000 Like on the same page, this is just talking about the state of Wisconsin.

00:05:55.000 That same day, in response to the court decision that had prompted the Wisconsin governor to sign a certificate of final determination, the defendant, Trump, issued a tweet repeating his knowingly false claim of election fraud and demanding that the Wisconsin legislature overturn the election results.

00:06:10.000 Then two paragraphs later, on January 6th, 2021, the defendant publicly repeated knowingly false claims that there had been tens of thousands of unlawful votes.

00:06:20.000 January 6th, that means they're charging for something he said in his speech at the White House.

00:06:24.000 Well, in his speech, but I couldn't disagree more with this.

00:06:28.000 I've spent a lot of private time with President Trump.

00:06:31.000 He believes this.

00:06:32.000 Yeah.

00:06:32.000 You could think he's off the wall on it and all this.

00:06:34.000 I think he's onto something more so than not.

00:06:36.000 But you're allowed to believe things that are not.

00:06:39.000 You're allowed to be delusional.

00:06:42.000 This is the country.

00:06:43.000 You could think he was Napoleon and it would be insane for them to charge him.

00:06:46.000 But Blake, let's just play devil's advocate.

00:06:48.000 What are we missing here?

00:06:50.000 How's the regime framing this?

00:06:51.000 What's the crime here?

00:06:52.000 Like the regime frames.

00:06:54.000 If you were to say, like, Blake played devil's advocate, what is their argument?

00:06:57.000 How could he possibly spend that?

00:07:00.000 You know what I think it is?

00:07:01.000 Not to interject here, but the same way that they, this is like kind of a more pertinent thing that we've seen in like real society, that speech is Not protected.

00:07:12.000 And this is the case when people commit suicide, for example, is that if you talk someone into suicide or say something enough that it causes them to commit suicide, you can be held liable.

00:07:23.000 So I think what their angle that they're trying to do is this is in that same vein that President Trump knows better.

00:07:31.000 He knew the truth.

00:07:32.000 He knows the facts.

00:07:34.000 And he was still pushing people to do things that were driving them insane.

00:07:38.000 And all these people went insane.

00:07:40.000 You know, normal people went insane doing things that, were they not, they normally wouldn't do because of well, keep in mind, they didn't so far.

00:07:48.000 They might be planning to do this.

00:07:49.000 There's signs they do, but they're.

00:07:50.000 They currently haven't charged him with, uh like, incitement to insurrection.

00:07:55.000 They do have conspiracy, if you look on the front here, conspiracy.

00:07:59.000 Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, and that conspiracy against rights.

00:08:03.000 The conspiracy against rights is the crazy one, because what they're basically saying is, by repeating all of his knowingly false claims about the election, that he's destroying people's right to vote, that people have the right to vote and have their vote be counted, and he's delegitimizing the election with his, his scheme.

00:08:03.000 So what?

00:08:21.000 And they do have.

00:08:22.000 There are certain quotes in here.

00:08:24.000 Uh, like you know, if you listen to someone for three months, you'll probably get a bad quote out of them.

00:08:29.000 But they did get those quotes where, like he's he's, you know he's pushing Pence, for example, to go along with their idea for january 6th.

00:08:36.000 When they're counting, you know, say that there's a dispute and we can't count them yet.

00:08:41.000 And there's a point where he basically says, like you're too honest Mike, is what he supposedly says to Mike Pence while they're on the phone and you know they're framing this as like, Trump knew this was all a lie and was just running a really aggressive shtick of fraud because he wanted to remain president.

00:08:57.000 And there's a few examples.

00:09:00.000 They have to really stretch it because like, there's cases where they say that, like a person will say, like you know, we have a lot of theories but not a lot of proof yet, or whatever, and they're like whatever proves they knew it was false.

00:09:10.000 I think it's much more like these people very left Arizona actually, they very strongly believe it because, but you know, they're kind of vibe readers.

00:09:18.000 Trump is very much a vibe guy like yeah, he just believes the fraud.

00:09:21.000 So Jack, I want, I want to get you in on here.

00:09:24.000 You, you've read the indictment, what so?

00:09:27.000 Like I mean, a lot of people listen to this podcast.

00:09:29.000 They're not into this.

00:09:30.000 They'll hear our rather forceful explanations of this and they might be tempted to be like oh Charlie, Jack and Blake AND Tyler, you guys are partisan actors, you're over exaggerating.

00:09:39.000 But jack, even from the most sober reading of this indictment, they're criminalizing disagreement, that you can't look at an election and see something differently at one point in here in in, in.

00:09:53.000 I don't have the page number.

00:09:54.000 It's section 44, but it it says, uh, december 4th, after four Republican leaders I got the citation.

00:10:01.000 You're gonna love this the leaders of the Pennsylvania legislator issued a public statement that the Assembly lacked the opportunity to overturn the popular vote.

00:10:09.000 Uh, doing so would violate the code.

00:10:12.000 And then the defendant retweeted a post labeling the legislators coward period.

00:10:20.000 So so they were actually going Through President Trump's retweet on his Twitter timeline, this before he was suspended.

00:10:28.000 So this was December.

00:10:29.000 He was suspended the next month after January 6th.

00:10:33.000 They're using retweets calling somebody a coward, which, guess what?

00:10:38.000 You know, you may not like that. 0.73

00:10:41.000 You may say it's repugnant.

00:10:42.000 You may say that I don't want a president who talks that way.

00:10:44.000 You might be, you know, part of the sort of Never Trump national review crowd and saying, I think it's all reprehensible.

00:10:50.000 No president should ever act this way.

00:10:51.000 But calling somebody a coward or retweeting someone, calling someone a coward is not criminal.

00:10:59.000 And it should never be used as evidence of criminality.

00:11:04.000 And I think that's what Blake is getting to here: that there's no criminal intent.

00:11:08.000 What you see is somebody who's essentially trying to use a process.

00:11:13.000 Now, you can make all sorts of arguments about was the process followed correctly?

00:11:19.000 Was he, you know, was he doing things the proper way, et cetera, et cetera.

00:11:23.000 But those are all process questions.

00:11:26.000 The point is, he's trying to follow a process.

00:11:29.000 And by the way, and this is going to come up in court, he was acting on the advice counsel the entire time.

00:11:34.000 And count one really stands out to me, too.

00:11:37.000 I want to say that it's this conspiracy to defraud the United States.

00:11:40.000 And the framing of this, they use the fraudulent over and over again.

00:11:44.000 In on page 22 of this here, in section 54, they have the December 9th memorandum, which the prosecutor calls the fraudulent elector instructions.

00:11:53.000 That is what they are officially labeled in court documents, where they're saying, like, this whole scheme is to like, like, they're trying to trick Mike Pence.

00:12:03.000 Like, they're going to send in this sheet of paper and be like, this is a trick on him.

00:12:08.000 And like, also, I mean, this was all, this was not a mystery leading up to this, though.

00:12:14.000 In the indictment, they have, and then Donald Trump sent out a tweet.

00:12:18.000 Let's see what Mike Pence does.

00:12:19.000 He has a chance.

00:12:20.000 I mean, I just, I know that this is not the best defense, but I think just from a layman's perspective, if you're launching a conspiracy against the United States, you're not live tweeting it.

00:12:30.000 You're not like, let's see what Mike does.

00:12:32.000 Like, wow, there's some secret plan.

00:12:34.000 Like, you were being honest the whole time.

00:12:37.000 Well, Charlie, Charlie, they do this thing.

00:12:40.000 I'll just say, because they bring it up all the time, and I'm in the clip.

00:12:44.000 The January 6th hearing brought up this clip where it's Steve Bannon, it's War Room, it's January 5th, and he had this line about all hell's going to break loose.

00:12:53.000 I'm sitting there right next to him.

00:12:53.000 Okay.

00:12:55.000 I think Raheem Kassam's in the room.

00:12:58.000 And all hell's going to break loose.

00:13:00.000 This is the line.

00:13:01.000 And then they play that and they juxtapose it with like the worst footage you can find of January 6th, as if Steve Bannon and me and Raheem are behind there going, Yeah, yeah, now do this, now do this, you know, prodding it all along.

00:13:15.000 When if you actually go back and listen to any of those episodes of War Room where, you know, we were doing for on January 5th, on January 4th, on January 3rd, on January 2nd, et cetera, it was all about holding a debate, literally holding a debate on the floor of the Senate to discuss all of these things.

00:13:36.000 A debate which, by the way, and it has to be brought up, that Mike Pence said multiple times, including Charlie, at a turning point.

00:13:44.000 That's a good segue.

00:13:45.000 That's a good segue.

00:13:46.000 At a turning point event, Tyler is the one.

00:13:49.000 You see, Tyler's the one that on memory hold this.

00:13:52.000 And I was, I think I was sick as a dog during this.

00:13:54.000 That's a whole different concept.

00:13:55.000 I mean, you remember that, Tyler?

00:13:56.000 I was.

00:13:58.000 I remember that.

00:13:59.000 I was not in a good place.

00:14:00.000 Super spreader galore.

00:14:02.000 But the fun thing.

00:14:04.000 Super spreader.

00:14:06.000 And I was not.

00:14:08.000 I was not.

00:14:08.000 Probably gave us all COVID.

00:14:10.000 Or did you give me COVID?

00:14:11.000 That's the real thing.

00:14:12.000 No, no, that was.

00:14:13.000 No, no, no.

00:14:14.000 You're thinking of 2020.

00:14:15.000 I gave you COVID in 2022.

00:14:17.000 That was different.

00:14:18.000 But I don't even know if what I had, if it was COVID, because it was way too intense.

00:14:21.000 It was a weird.

00:14:23.000 I had like stomach issues.

00:14:24.000 We got a biobomb.

00:14:25.000 We had a specific badge for Charlie Kirk.

00:14:27.000 It's arguably our style.

00:14:29.000 50% of TPSA events get bio-bombed.

00:14:33.000 It's like, right?

00:14:34.000 We have all these people.

00:14:37.000 Now we're sounding like Libs.

00:14:38.000 Just like, I can't go to any events.

00:14:40.000 I'm not.

00:14:41.000 It's not a big deal.

00:14:42.000 Everything causes disease.

00:14:44.000 I'm going to say that I'm being facetious and joking, but I do have lots of weird jet streams over my house all the time.

00:14:50.000 So I don't know.

00:14:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:51.000 I mean, YouTube chemtrails.

00:14:53.000 Chemtrails.

00:14:54.000 I'm not going to call them anything, Blake, because it's going to get clipped.

00:14:57.000 I'm not going to call them.

00:14:58.000 It's because of the fluoride levels in my water.

00:15:01.000 So, okay.

00:15:02.000 So you've go ahead.

00:15:03.000 I just want to say this one thing.

00:15:04.000 So this is a lead up to this.

00:15:06.000 Mike Pence from about, I mean, this wasn't mystery information, right?

00:15:11.000 The entire movement, there was an entire public debate about what could Mike Pence do or not do.

00:15:18.000 And it officialized in mid-December when most of the electors were sent by most of the states from all across the country.

00:15:26.000 So this wasn't like, so all the electors were sent, they have to be sent federally by federal statute, right?

00:15:32.000 By what's required by the Constitution.

00:15:36.000 All the electors have to be sent in the beginning of December.

00:15:40.000 I can't remember the exact date.

00:15:41.000 I think it's like December 11th or something.

00:15:43.000 It was 11th or 13th.

00:15:44.000 It's a specific date ahead of inauguration.

00:15:47.000 And so this was not just questionable information.

00:15:52.000 This was all going on.

00:15:53.000 And so Mike Pence shows up to our event and he's in the middle of just like, you know, riling everybody up.

00:15:59.000 I would even argue, like, I think his speech riled more people up in December than I ever heard Donald Trump riling people up.

00:16:07.000 So we get the vice president to come to our turning point USA event. 0.97

00:16:10.000 There's just so much crap around this event.

00:16:12.000 However, this was the notable quotable, and I forgot about this.

00:16:15.000 Tyler in our group chat a couple days ago is like, hey, memory hole, this thing has disappeared.

00:16:19.000 Mike Pence was playing into it.

00:16:21.000 Like, here's the thing.

00:16:22.000 What Tyler's getting at, if I could add my own, you know, wording of it, Mike Pence was playing to the crowd.

00:16:28.000 Mike Pence was leaning in this idea, stringing out the drama.

00:16:33.000 If Mike Pence was the stoic, I don't have the power to do this.

00:16:36.000 Well, Mike Pence, you could have gone to the turning point of it and be like, guys, I want to manage expectations.

00:16:40.000 Nothing on January is going to happen.

00:16:41.000 I'm a glorified envelope opener, right?

00:16:44.000 He was playing into the drama.

00:16:46.000 He was stretching this out.

00:16:47.000 This is one of his few public addresses.

00:16:49.000 People don't remember this.

00:16:50.000 Very few.

00:16:51.000 Very few between the elections.

00:16:52.000 This got clipped everywhere.

00:16:53.000 He gave it.

00:16:54.000 I was in the room.

00:16:55.000 People were going crazy.

00:16:56.000 No, and so people forget this because we'll contrast this with Mike Pence in front of the John Deere dealership, which is him with Martha McCallum, where he's like, I'm nothing more than a glorified envelope opener, which, by the way, might be constitutionally true.

00:17:08.000 Not my thing.

00:17:09.000 Blake thinks that's true.

00:17:10.000 I don't know.

00:17:11.000 John Eastman disagrees.

00:17:12.000 Not my shtick.

00:17:13.000 I'll stick to my lane.

00:17:14.000 However, Mike Pence, listen to the tone of Mike Pence here.

00:17:16.000 He's playing into this.

00:17:17.000 He's going full out enthusiasm, vim, and vigor.

00:17:20.000 He's playing to the crowd, raising expectations.

00:17:24.000 He created his own political grade, is the point I'm making.

00:17:27.000 Play Cut 98.

00:17:29.000 And as our election contest continues, I'll make you a promise.

00:17:35.000 We're going to keep fighting until every legal vote is counted.

00:17:39.000 We're going to keep fighting until every illegal vote is thrown out.

00:17:44.000 We're going to win, Georgia.

00:17:45.000 We're going to save America and we'll never stop fighting to make America great again.

00:17:52.000 You won.

00:17:53.000 Now, in his defense, he means the Georgia runoff.

00:17:56.000 Okay.

00:17:56.000 He doesn't mean with Trump, but if you listen to that, his intensity, he's crescendoing.

00:18:02.000 He is in right.

00:18:03.000 I mean, Blake, that's, he's not playing down.

00:18:07.000 He's playing into the crowd here.

00:18:09.000 And I want to just contrast that with now stoic Mike Pence of like, no, no, no, I never had any authority.

00:18:17.000 I never this.

00:18:18.000 And look, the essence of he was raising expectations, right?

00:18:22.000 I'm going to throw out all the illegal votes.

00:18:24.000 He says throw out.

00:18:26.000 On top of that, Charlie, I remember this speech, and I don't remember exactly what he said.

00:18:30.000 And so we're pulling the clips right now.

00:18:32.000 But this, again, this may be one of his only major vibe, though, guys.

00:18:36.000 His entire speech.

00:18:38.000 And part of the speech, right at the end, he says something along the lines of like, keep up the fight.

00:18:42.000 Like, don't, don't quit.

00:18:44.000 I think that was the agitator.

00:18:45.000 I don't know.

00:18:46.000 I don't, there was that was pretty close.

00:18:47.000 He said, I mean, he said, we're going to keep fighting and all that stuff.

00:18:49.000 Now, listen to this.

00:18:50.000 This is Mike Pence with.

00:18:52.000 This is Mike Pence with Martha McCallum.

00:18:54.000 What's the, okay, yeah, cut 97 at a John deer dealership, play cut 97.

00:19:01.000 Well, you say, you know, the criminal process is separate, but put yourself on that jury for just a moment.

00:19:07.000 If you were on the jury, would you say that this defendant, the former president, had committed a crime that day?

00:19:14.000 Do you believe it rises to the level of a crime?

00:19:19.000 You know, Martha, I don't know.

00:19:21.000 I mean, honestly, I don't know the full case in chief that the government has.

00:19:26.000 And, you know, I think I've said on your network many times that, you know, I don't know if taking bad advice from lawyers is a crime, but, you know, I would leave that legal process.

00:19:39.000 And so that's not the best clip, but there's a much better one where he's like, you have to understand, I don't have the authority, I don't have this.

00:19:45.000 Blake, are we onto something here?

00:19:47.000 Are we being unfair?

00:19:48.000 I think it's kind of being a bit dramatic.

00:19:50.000 Like, one, he's hyping people up for the Georgia runoff, which, you know, he's actually fighting pretty hard.

00:19:55.000 Every legal vote, any illegal vote will be thrown out.

00:19:58.000 Yeah.

00:19:58.000 And I would say, you know, he's basically appointing himself referee of like, I'm going to throw out a legal vote.

00:20:04.000 He wasn't talking about that, though.

00:20:05.000 His entire, there was, I'm telling you right now, all throughout the month of December, people were looking at Mike Pence around this conversation.

00:20:14.000 And when he spoke, his conversation that he was having, he was like, guys, like Charlie said, I want to make clear.

00:20:20.000 I'm talking about Georgia.

00:20:21.000 I'm not talking about anything else.

00:20:23.000 That's not what he was doing.

00:20:24.000 Well, but okay, but even though he says, in fact, his favorite line that he always said at every speech, he's like, quote from Ronald Reagan, my second favorite president behind Donald Trump.

00:20:33.000 We should pull that clip.

00:20:34.000 Yeah, he says that all the time.

00:20:36.000 He said that all the time. 1.00

00:20:37.000 The dumbest stuff. 0.99

00:20:38.000 I mean, this is December. 0.99

00:20:40.000 And again, Blake, just the context of this is that this man who, again, gives off, you know, there's a lot of great religious leaders.

00:20:49.000 There's a lot of bad religious leaders.

00:20:51.000 It's fake pompas.

00:20:52.000 He seems like, yeah, he seems like he's just lying to people because he's like, my favorite president forever and ever, forever and ever amen.

00:20:58.000 So he's got funny dad jokes.

00:21:00.000 All the time.

00:21:01.000 And look, everyone has a right to change their opinion. 1.00

00:21:04.000 But again, going back, what he's saying today was that he never was on that shit. 0.99

00:21:09.000 So Blake. 1.00

00:21:10.000 And he was on that shit. 1.00

00:21:11.000 Like, feel free to go. 1.00

00:21:12.000 Where are we wrong?

00:21:13.000 Well, I just don't think, first of all, like, what are you guys mad at Trump at Pence that he didn't do?

00:21:18.000 That he didn't like decide, oh, I'm going to nullify the election.

00:21:21.000 Because here's what would have happened if he'd done that, which I think is worth emphasizing.

00:21:24.000 If Mike Pence had tried to say, like, we don't know who won this election and it's in dispute, probably the Joint Chiefs were going to step into the White House with a bunch of Marines and say, Donald Trump.

00:21:34.000 We haven't done that.

00:21:35.000 Donald Trump, you have to leave.

00:21:37.000 I thought we're on the left.

00:21:37.000 And then we would really be military government.

00:21:39.000 We are very, very, frankly, the only reason Trump is running for president right now is that he basically was told to leave then.

00:21:46.000 Otherwise, he would deftly do it.

00:21:47.000 Two things for his leadership.

00:21:48.000 I want to make sure it's clear.

00:21:49.000 The most extreme radical ask was to send it back to the states, not to nullify.

00:21:55.000 Okay.

00:21:55.000 If you read Eastman's memo, it's not sending it back to the states.

00:21:59.000 Eastman is saying that Pence could declare Trump to be president.

00:22:02.000 And even in that Martha McCallum segment, she wrote an email where he sent that on January 5th saying, like, hey, go there.

00:22:08.000 But let's pretend you're right, Blake.

00:22:10.000 Here's my big thing.

00:22:11.000 I think Tyler makes a really important point is that Mike Pence, and if you could find the other clip of him on McCallum, he's rewriting history.

00:22:18.000 He's like, I have no power, I have no this.

00:22:20.000 But if that's the case, why was he setting an expectation?

00:22:25.000 Because look, to an uninitiated audience, you say, oh, wow, this VP, they have all this power.

00:22:31.000 What he said was, count every legal vote and throw out every illegal vote.

00:22:34.000 And he didn't say I, he said we, which basically me encompasses the court system that you use to get us.

00:22:42.000 The VP does, excuse me, the VP does not set what is like being individual ballots being counted.

00:22:49.000 But at best, they say he can decide between two slates of electoral votes sent to him.

00:22:54.000 That's fair.

00:22:54.000 Which I don't think, I don't think you can say, take that speech we just showed and say he was referring to legal and illegal electoral votes.

00:23:00.000 Do you think Pence did himself any favors in the weeks leading up to that?

00:23:03.000 I think Pence was in an impossible position.

00:23:05.000 I think nothing that I think you guys would not be satisfied with anything Pence did other than essentially trying to nullify the election to throw it to Don.

00:23:15.000 You know what?

00:23:15.000 Let me add more context.

00:23:17.000 Because I'm calling for nullification.

00:23:19.000 That is definitely what Eastman was calling.

00:23:21.000 I'm not getting into the middle of this because I don't think he should go to jail, but I think that is essentially what they were saying.

00:23:26.000 I'm not getting into the middle of this because I'm not making comments on this for personal reasons.

00:23:29.000 But here's, let me add broader context to this.

00:23:32.000 The broader context is that Mike Pence was part of the Trump campaign.

00:23:37.000 So his legal advice that he was receiving was likely from the same source for the most part.

00:23:43.000 The people, the infrastructure that existed there throughout the campaign and the two years, because this is what most people need to understand.

00:23:50.000 The RC and the presidential campaign are effectively one, right?

00:23:55.000 They raise jointly, they spend money jointly.

00:24:00.000 And so the money that was spent for legal for the RC is almost synonymous with the money that was spent for legal by the president, which was almost synonymous with the money that was spent for Pence.

00:24:13.000 So let's, again, I'm just giving context here.

00:24:17.000 The moment Mike Pence stepped out of the White House, right, or out of the Eisenhower building, not the White House, the Eisenhower building.

00:24:26.000 The moment he stepped out of his office, he did what?

00:24:30.000 He got two jobs, two really important jobs.

00:24:33.000 Job number one to help pay bills, Heritage Foundation.

00:24:37.000 Job number two, Young America's Foundation.

00:24:40.000 Donald Trump didn't do that, right?

00:24:42.000 Donald Trump, you know, we all know, has his own sources of income.

00:24:46.000 But it's important context to understand the vice president.

00:24:50.000 And I think this is important because the vice president was really focused on what his after-office life was going to look like immediately following that.

00:25:00.000 I don't think he was paying his own attorneys to give him advice in this moment.

00:25:05.000 I really don't.

00:25:06.000 I think he was reliant on the system that existed, which the system is all big, one big system.

00:25:12.000 The RNC, the campaign, Trump ignored a ton of his lawyers because he sided with the ones who were telling them that this scheme would work. 0.98

00:25:20.000 Everyone sucks. 0.99

00:25:20.000 Well, hold on. 0.99

00:25:21.000 They're definitely allowed to do that.

00:25:23.000 Like, you can't have it both ways.

00:25:23.000 He didn't, his indictment is that he listened to his mother.

00:25:26.000 But I'm giving context.

00:25:27.000 No, well, so I'm saying what I was getting at was that Trump was getting legal advice and then he chose to reject that advice in favor of different advice.

00:25:35.000 I just, I don't think he was for sure.

00:25:39.000 I'm not disputing that.

00:25:40.000 I'm definitely not saying this is a crime.

00:25:42.000 What I'm saying is I don't think like the legal advice these guys are getting is super duper relevant because it was basically choose your own adventure on your legal advice.

00:25:50.000 So Jack, Jack, let me ask you this, Jack.

00:25:54.000 From a political standpoint, and I want to play this piece of tape, you know, when you on War Room where you guys all look, you know, it's just, it's hilarious.

00:26:00.000 You got Steve Bannon with hair down to his hip.

00:26:01.000 It's just, you know, the whole thing is like, this is like three months into the whole thing, right?

00:26:06.000 No, it is like you guys all look like it's like right out of Castaway.

00:26:10.000 It's unbelievable.

00:26:11.000 Like you guys like talking to volleyball, it's unbelievable at this point.

00:26:14.000 Yeah, you got five.

00:26:16.000 Yes.

00:26:17.000 And so it's really something.

00:26:19.000 But, Jack, I do have the rest of that clip that Tyler was looking for.

00:26:23.000 No, no, no.

00:26:24.000 I know.

00:26:24.000 I want to just let's whatever clip it is, let's get it ready.

00:26:27.000 But, Jack, is there something to this idea that Mike Pence was setting the expectation throughout the month of December, increasing the drama and playing into it?

00:26:38.000 Jack, is that a fair observation?

00:26:41.000 Probably, of course.

00:26:42.000 What Mike Pence is doing there is called pacing and leading.

00:26:45.000 And it's very obvious.

00:26:47.000 So when pacing and leading is done in sales, it's done in interrogations, done in politics.

00:26:53.000 It's where you basically find where your target is, you go to them, you match their energy, and then you start walking with them, right?

00:27:03.000 So what he's doing is he's coming up and saying, and I have the actual quote right here: a great conference, a turning point.

00:27:09.000 Thank you for your support.

00:27:10.000 To the men and women of Turning Point USA, stay in the fight, stay in the fight for election integrity, stay in the fight to defend that all we've done.

00:27:17.000 And so he's continuing on about election integrity, and then he kind of moves off onto other subjects, talking about the administration.

00:27:25.000 But the point is, is that he's passing the signals that he's with you.

00:27:31.000 It's kind of like what Tyler has said about Ron DeSantis and others, about two islands.

00:27:36.000 He's telling you, I'm on your island.

00:27:38.000 I'm with you.

00:27:39.000 I'm going to fight this.

00:27:40.000 He specifically says we will continue fighting until every illegal ballot is thrown out.

00:27:44.000 No, he's not talking about electorals or anything like this.

00:27:46.000 He's talking about cleaning up what was done in the state.

00:27:49.000 Because you're exactly right.

00:27:54.000 And he's met with standing ovations.

00:27:56.000 So let's get to this here.

00:27:58.000 This is, you know, War Room when you guys were like an exile or something.

00:28:02.000 I don't know what it's like, so amazing to see.

00:28:04.000 I love it.

00:28:05.000 It's like straight out of the archives, PlayCut 99.

00:28:09.000 All hell is going to break loose tomorrow.

00:28:12.000 It's all converging.

00:28:13.000 And now we're on, as they say, the point of attack, right?

00:28:16.000 The point of attack tomorrow.

00:28:18.000 I'll tell you this.

00:28:20.000 It's not going to happen like you think it's going to happen.

00:28:23.000 Okay.

00:28:23.000 It's going to be quite extraordinarily different.

00:28:26.000 And all I can say is strap in.

00:28:28.000 You have made this happen.

00:28:30.000 And tomorrow it's game day.

00:28:31.000 So strap in.

00:28:32.000 Let's get ready.

00:28:34.000 Excel the patents.

00:28:35.000 Yeah.

00:28:36.000 First of all, the audio is all over the place.

00:28:38.000 You know, Steve hasn't had a haircut in like nine months.

00:28:41.000 Like, it's going to be a so, Jack, what's going on in this clip?

00:28:46.000 And why is it relevant?

00:28:49.000 And you could say, look, I stand by every word of it, and I'm sure Steve does too.

00:28:52.000 I think I said something along the lines of it's going to be historic, it's going to be something that the American people have never seen before, et cetera.

00:28:59.000 And again, the reason that you see, you're exactly cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.

00:29:06.000 That when you see the jump cuts in that clip, it's because when Steve is throwing out all those lines in between, he's discussing exactly what I just said.

00:29:17.000 You know how I know?

00:29:17.000 Because you can see me sitting there next to him in the clip.

00:29:20.000 He's talking about having a debate.

00:29:22.000 He's talking about going through the states.

00:29:24.000 He's talking about these ballots in Pennsylvania that were counted that should never have been counted.

00:29:29.000 He's talking about the use of the blanket at-home voting that was done in Wisconsin, et cetera, et cetera.

00:29:37.000 And we were going through these different buckets.

00:29:39.000 And the plan was that people like Josh Hawley, people like other senators, and a number of congressmen and women were going to get up on the process through the process of January 6th and hold this debate in front of the American people for as long as it took.

00:29:59.000 Now, as we all know, history took a slightly different, slightly different path than the one that was intended.

00:30:06.000 But that's what we're talking about in that clip.

00:30:09.000 That's what Mike Pence was talking about on January 4th.

00:30:13.000 If you play the video from that, where he says basically the exact same thing, and that's what Mike Pence was referring to.

00:30:18.000 All right.

00:30:19.000 So let's play some tape here that I think is instructive.

00:30:23.000 This is one of Trump's lawyers.

00:30:25.000 I kind of like this guy.

00:30:27.000 Trump goes through lawyers.

00:30:28.000 Like it's like we're on like season eight of the Trump lawyer stuff.

00:30:31.000 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:30:32.000 It's like the defense.

00:30:33.000 I gave up against the dark arts teacher.

00:30:35.000 It's unbelievable.

00:30:35.000 I mean, I like this guy.

00:30:37.000 I don't know who he is.

00:30:39.000 John Lauro.

00:30:39.000 I think he's got his act together.

00:30:42.000 He's done a pretty good job.

00:30:43.000 If not, he plays a good lawyer on TV.

00:30:44.000 Play Cut 61.

00:30:46.000 So at the end, our defense is going to be focusing on the fact that what we have now is an administration that has criminalized the free speech and advocacy of a prior administration during the time that there is a political election going on.

00:31:00.000 That's unprecedented.

00:31:01.000 We've never seen that in the United States, in the history of the United States.

00:31:05.000 So literally, what we have is an attack and really an effort to not only criminalize, but also censor free speech.

00:31:13.000 And continue Cut 101, John Laurel with Dylan Mulvaney.

00:31:16.000 Well, those are secretaries of state who were making those changes in those states because of the pandemic that was happening.

00:31:22.000 You talk about free speech.

00:31:23.000 Jack Smith noted Trump's right to free speech and to contest the election results.

00:31:28.000 But what he says in this indictment is that when that did not work, the defendant, your client, pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results.

00:31:38.000 And that that is why he is being charged here, not because of anything related to free speech.

00:31:43.000 Yeah, but that's factually inaccurate because the ultimate request that Mr. Trump made to Vice President Pence was pause the vote counting, allow the states to weigh in, ultimately, and audit or recertify.

00:31:59.000 And under Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2, the actual responsibility for qualifying electors is in the state legislatures.

00:32:09.000 Okay, so Blake, that's the retort to your position.

00:32:12.000 It definitely is.

00:32:13.000 I get what they're saying.

00:32:14.000 What I get when I bring that up is Eastman's memo does say, like, you can say their plan is get it back to the states.

00:32:21.000 But as part of their gambit, their strategy is that Pence will say there is a dispute over the electors, so we can't count either of them.

00:32:29.000 So they're just a nullity.

00:32:31.000 And they're going to nullify each of these six states where they have it in.

00:32:34.000 And therefore, we only can't.

00:32:36.000 I got to challenge you.

00:32:37.000 Where in the hell does the word nullification?

00:32:40.000 I think you're inserting that word.

00:32:41.000 That seems to be like.

00:32:43.000 Okay.

00:32:43.000 Fine.

00:32:43.000 I'll use a different word.

00:32:45.000 I actually have the memo in front of me.

00:32:47.000 Let's see what it says.

00:32:49.000 Here is the scenario we propose.

00:32:51.000 And it will be at the end.

00:32:55.000 He announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the seven states, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those states.

00:33:04.000 That means the total number of electors appointed is 454.

00:33:08.000 This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Lawrence Tribe.

00:33:13.000 And then they like set shout out that they need 270, something.

00:33:17.000 What you're getting at, though, is that there was this legal opinion that the vice president could decide to say no electors from Georgia.

00:33:24.000 Not that I'm going to pick the Trump ones.

00:33:25.000 I'm not going to open up any of the sockets.

00:33:27.000 Like, we're going to not.

00:33:29.000 It was sort of a heads-I win, tails-you-lose situation.

00:33:32.000 Well, like think about it.

00:33:32.000 So, what he would say is that you need 270 to win.

00:33:35.000 We understand that, but like Wisconsin and Georgia have to win.

00:33:40.000 We're not going to count either candidates yet until we have clarity.

00:33:44.000 There's two options.

00:33:45.000 He would say either first, he will say there's a dispute, so neither counts.

00:33:49.000 And then he would say Trump would win because he would have a majority of the ones where there was no dispute because they were only disputing states that Biden actually got in the final count.

00:33:57.000 And then, so that was plan A.

00:33:59.000 And then, if they protested and said, like, you can't do that, he would say, oh, if we need 270, then nobody wins and it goes to the House and the House has to vote.

00:34:08.000 And that was sort of the two sides.

00:34:09.000 So I may have been House earlier and said he was going to pick the Trump.

00:34:13.000 Which Trump would have won the House vote.

00:34:13.000 Which I may have screwed up on that.

00:34:15.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

00:34:16.000 That goes by Trump would have won the House.

00:34:17.000 Because Liz Cheney would have voted for AWS.

00:34:20.000 It goes by state. 0.94

00:34:21.000 We would have won 28 to 25.

00:34:23.000 I'm not even 28 to whatever. 0.71

00:34:24.000 If they vote accordingly, but would Liz Cheney go for that for Wisconsin? 0.94

00:34:28.000 Wyoming. 1.00

00:34:28.000 Or Wyoming. 1.00

00:34:29.000 She would have been the one vote. 0.62

00:34:30.000 She would decide for her.

00:34:31.000 Fascinating. 0.95

00:34:32.000 And she would have been a sole decider.

00:34:35.000 And then the whole delegation votes as one.

00:34:37.000 The whole delegation votes.

00:34:37.000 Yeah.

00:34:38.000 And so some, you only have one done.

00:34:39.000 Some it would be, some it would be like you only have the one for 1808 or something, yes.

00:34:44.000 And then some, you only have a one-vote majority for the Republicans.

00:34:47.000 So one person could defect.

00:34:50.000 So here is Mike Pence auditioning to go auction off some tractors, play cut 103.

00:34:57.000 And irrespective of the indictment, I want the American people to know that I had no right to overturn the election.

00:35:03.000 And then on that day, President Trump asked me to put him over the Constitution, but I chose the Constitution, and I always will.

00:35:13.000 I really do believe that anyone who puts themselves over the Constitution should never be president of the United States.

00:35:21.000 And anyone who asks someone else to put themselves over the Constitution should never be president of the United States again.

00:35:28.000 Okay, so two things.

00:35:31.000 The immediate is we have a current regime that's putting themselves above the Constitution, but that's a silly political point.

00:35:35.000 No dispute there.

00:35:36.000 No dispute.

00:35:37.000 Okay, good.

00:35:37.000 So, but I just have to say that.

00:35:38.000 But Blake, I want to summarize this and we'll move on to how Lizo's a fat slob. 0.97

00:35:43.000 Just do you important issues.

00:35:46.000 This false dichotomy where Pence keeps on saying overturn, overturn.

00:35:51.000 I don't see any evidence that Donald Trump said the words overturn, wanted things overturned.

00:35:57.000 It seems as if they wanted clarity from the states.

00:36:00.000 What am I missing?

00:36:02.000 I think that is very bluntly.

00:36:04.000 I think Trump authentically thought he won.

00:36:07.000 And I think he was truthfully searching for a way to make himself win the election.

00:36:14.000 I don't think there was additional information they were reasonably going to extract at that point that would change the outcome.

00:36:21.000 And what is unfortunate about this is that I think Trump was guided along by people who were, frankly, very delusional during this period, where it would be one thing to argue that the election was very shady, focus on signature verification.

00:36:37.000 And you're like, Pennsylvania law is unconstitutional.

00:36:39.000 Yeah, you could focus on that.

00:36:41.000 And part of the problem is I think by that point, the legal challenge there had failed.

00:36:45.000 That's what a lot of the Supreme Court stuff was about.

00:36:47.000 Right.

00:36:49.000 And instead, they just got very fixated on these very wild claims about tens of thousands of dead people voting.

00:36:55.000 And it just, as you know, as when people are pointing this out to him, I'm not saying Trump was required to believe this or that it was a crime for him not to believe it.

00:37:04.000 But I do think that in the realm of factual reality, that the people advising Trump otherwise were correct, that there were not these hundreds of thousands of obviously illegal votes.

00:37:13.000 That was being pushed by delusional people who also thought there were bamboo ballots and all sorts of strange, strange things going on.

00:37:21.000 It is, but I think this was talking about those votes in Pennsylvania, those votes in Wisconsin that were counted beyond the constitutional deadline, the laws that essentially allowed for, or they weren't even laws, by the way.

00:37:35.000 They were orders that were sent down in Wisconsin, orders that were made unilaterally by Pennsylvania Secretary of State in contrivance of Pennsylvania state law.

00:37:43.000 I get that.

00:37:44.000 I get that.

00:37:44.000 But they had a lot of angles for contesting that legally.

00:37:47.000 And I do think by the time we're getting mad at Pence for not going along with this, that their legal avenues had been exhausted.

00:37:55.000 And that might stink.

00:37:56.000 That might think the courts are rigging it against us.

00:37:59.000 If it does, you know parties, United States.

00:38:02.000 January 6th.

00:38:03.000 You know, it's funny saying that way, because when you say January 6th, it sounds like I'm invoking what happened at the Capitol.

00:38:09.000 But the issue is that January 6th was supposed to be the legal mechanism whereby in the Congress and Pence as in his duty.

00:38:17.000 Yeah, we never actually had it.

00:38:19.000 We actually never had our... actually go through this.

00:38:21.000 Yeah, we never actually had our congressional time because the building was evacuated because of all the riot, the riot, which in some ways...

00:38:29.000 Well, I'll be clear.

00:38:30.000 It wasn't that they couldn't do it because they evacuated.

00:38:33.000 It's because after they did this, the people saying they would do it kind of lost interest.

00:38:38.000 Understandably.

00:38:39.000 That's a reality.

00:38:40.000 You kind of deflates a little bit when you got 5,000 people that just go.

00:38:44.000 But I think that's an important reality that I think it gets to the fact that the people doing this, at least the congressmen talking about this, they were not serious individuals.

00:38:52.000 They were going to make a protest that they knew would fail because they wanted to like make a gesture of loyalty towards Trump and show that they were like really standing with the base, but they were not serious people.

00:39:04.000 And I think that is what is unfortunate about this is a lot of people, I think Trump genuinely believed this could occur.

00:39:10.000 People like Eastman genuinely believe this could occur.

00:39:13.000 But I think a lot of people allowed it to be pushed along and enabled when they knew it would not end the way these people were predicting because they essentially, they were basically egging these people on for their own political gain.

00:39:25.000 And I don't think that's a crime.

00:39:27.000 I don't think they were planning anything super bad, but I do think it reflected poorly on them.

00:39:34.000 And they were, you know, they're kind of doing what we're accusing Pence of doing here.

00:39:38.000 They were hyping people up for political gain.

00:39:41.000 And it ended, in this case, it ended really, really badly in a way that I think was avoidable and bad, bad for all the issues that all of us care about.

00:39:48.000 Well, here's the one, again, I'm just adding context to the political side of all this.

00:39:55.000 The thing to understand is that simultaneous to all this, you had a majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives who were wanting to step up on behalf of specific states.

00:40:08.000 One of the states in question would be ours in Arizona, where that became one of the first, you know, on the floor, right?

00:40:17.000 When they read about it, it's alphabetical.

00:40:20.000 And so, again, there's this greater context.

00:40:24.000 And I think this goes into what Charlie's saying, which I think is true, which is that, and what you said too, which is that Trump believes that there were issues in the election.

00:40:33.000 There are now about 50% of the population in Arizona.

00:40:39.000 They've done recent polls.

00:40:41.000 Half the citizens of the state of Arizona believe that we have massive issues with our elections.

00:40:46.000 And 2022 didn't help, right?

00:40:48.000 Because there were lines for miles at the polling places.

00:40:53.000 So people know and are aware that we have massive issues happening.

00:40:57.000 Trump, I guess what's being said is that Trump is saying these things because he believes them.

00:41:01.000 Well, and this is a perfect way to end this topic.

00:41:03.000 You'll love this, Tyler.

00:41:05.000 Go ahead.

00:41:05.000 This is it.

00:41:06.000 Cut 104.

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00:41:12.000 Play cut 104.

00:41:14.000 Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

00:41:25.000 With that, we rest.

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00:41:27.000 How do we get it inside the Oval Office?

00:41:32.000 Mr. President, remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

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00:42:33.000 So you get indicted for the third or fourth time.

00:42:36.000 Who are you having dinner with?

00:42:38.000 Maybe your wife, your family, your friends?

00:42:40.000 No.

00:42:41.000 Donald Trump was having dinner with the executives of Fox News trying to woo him into the presidential debate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

00:42:51.000 Jack Posobic, should Donald Trump debate?

00:42:55.000 So, you know, Charlie, I go back and forth on it because, look, you can sit there with this sort of political analysis, calculation, operative hat on and say, well, if he's at 50% plus in many of these early states or 30 points, 40 points up in some areas, even nationwide higher, then you say you're already at a ceiling.

00:43:17.000 The rest of the candidates combined can't defeat you.

00:43:19.000 So why would you go debate and give them an opportunity?

00:43:22.000 Because the calculus being that you can't go up much higher, whereas you could go down and you could give them an opportunity to go up.

00:43:29.000 But at the same time, Charlie, I went on Don Jr. a couple weeks ago when I was down in West Palm for 20-point action.

00:43:36.000 And I said, you know what, though?

00:43:38.000 There's something about Donald Trump.

00:43:40.000 When he goes to these debates, he just dominates, dominates the headspace, dominates the headline, dominates up there.

00:43:48.000 And it was through his ability to just headshot these neocons left and right in 2015, 2016.

00:43:56.000 That's a reference to the great Can't Stump the Trump videos of the time, which President Trump infamously retweeted volume four, which included the incredibly rare Pepe Trump, by the way, back when it happened.

00:44:12.000 That's really what gave him his renown early on and said that he was a serious politician.

00:44:19.000 And I think he'd still have been at single digits had he not done it.

00:44:22.000 So I guess I would say maybe sit out the first one because I get what he's saying, that it's kind of like the JV squad, you know, it's the VP candidates, but you got to get up on that stage.

00:44:32.000 You have to.

00:44:33.000 Well, I mean, so he doesn't have to do anything.

00:44:34.000 He'll win the nomination no matter what.

00:44:36.000 I mean, he's up like 40 points in Iowa.

00:44:38.000 Tyler Shoulder.

00:44:39.000 You're going to think about the general.

00:44:40.000 Well, I mean, what about the general?

00:44:42.000 I mean, whatever.

00:44:43.000 Think about it in terms of the general.

00:44:45.000 You got to win independence, right?

00:44:47.000 I don't think you're going to win independence getting in a shouting match with Chris Christie.

00:44:51.000 I don't think that you don't think that he has the ability to break out in one of these events and eat Chris Christie, literally, figurally use his head off.

00:44:59.000 The independents aren't going to be like, yeah, I want that.

00:45:02.000 So let me hear you out.

00:45:02.000 So, Jack, you're a big MAGA guy.

00:45:04.000 So let me challenge you on this.

00:45:05.000 I had a phone call with the top DeSantis donor, and he said, Charlie, the whole plan right now for Ron DeSantis, he said, is the debate.

00:45:12.000 We're going all in.

00:45:13.000 He said, we need Trump on that stage.

00:45:15.000 Maybe not the first debate or the second debate.

00:45:17.000 Is that a risk worth taking?

00:45:18.000 You have DeSantis' people telling you that their bailout strategy would make this a risk.

00:45:24.000 They're telling me that their way to viability is to get Trump on that stage.

00:45:28.000 Why would he do it?

00:45:29.000 I can tell you exactly what DeSantis is going to do on that stage.

00:45:32.000 He's going to sit there and he's going to do the same thing that Dave Rubin did when he was on your show.

00:45:36.000 He's going to pull out like a little quote and be like, aha, on January 4th of 2020, Dr. Fauci said this and then you said this and that was positive.

00:45:46.000 But on January 5th, and it's going to come across as awkward.

00:45:51.000 It's going to come across as boring and creepy. 0.99

00:45:54.000 And Trump is going to make some face out of being and just be like, Fauci's a loser. 0.98

00:45:58.000 And I'd rush him the chance I get to get in. 0.97

00:46:01.000 And everyone's going to laugh because they don't know how to debate.

00:46:04.000 And I could say this publicly, freely, because I'm not even worried because Ron DeSantis doesn't have it in him.

00:46:10.000 He doesn't have that gear to be able to get out of the way.

00:46:13.000 I will say this debate.

00:46:15.000 He doesn't have it.

00:46:16.000 But this is the brilliance of Trump.

00:46:18.000 Let's say I've been told Trump is not going to debate, but the way he's acting, I've seen this show before.

00:46:24.000 But this is how smart Trump is.

00:46:27.000 The only thing we're talking about now is the mystery of whether or not Trump will debate.

00:46:31.000 So he gets like multiple weeks of headlines.

00:46:33.000 Won't he?

00:46:33.000 Will he work?

00:46:34.000 And it's like he just loves it.

00:46:34.000 Right.

00:46:36.000 You have to come to Bedminster.

00:46:37.000 You have to woo me, you know, and you have to talk about how much I'm up in the polls.

00:46:42.000 I mean, I have to say, it's brilliant.

00:46:44.000 Like, I mean, it's political gamesmanship.

00:46:47.000 It's like nobody else gets any airtime.

00:46:49.000 And now we're not even talking about the debate.

00:46:51.000 We're talking about whether or not the frontrunner will show up at the debate, even if he's committed or not committed.

00:46:56.000 This is ridiculously smart.

00:46:58.000 It's just insanely like Trump is all about dominance in politics.

00:47:01.000 Yes, this is how you dominate.

00:47:02.000 The idea is you just dominate beforehand.

00:47:05.000 Yeah, beforehand, it's like, will he show up?

00:47:07.000 Then, like, he's going to probably 30 minutes before be like, my plane is circling over Wisconsin.

00:47:12.000 Will I land?

00:47:13.000 Yeah.

00:47:14.000 Yeah.

00:47:14.000 Just like, you know, announce he's going to go.

00:47:16.000 Where am I going?

00:47:17.000 I'm like, we don't see a good idea.

00:47:19.000 Where am I going?

00:47:19.000 No, like, he should honestly be like, fly around.

00:47:22.000 No, wheels up.

00:47:23.000 Where am I going?

00:47:24.000 You like, you bully them so hard that they try to like show stuff and they finally are like, you're, you're mean.

00:47:29.000 You're banned from the debate.

00:47:30.000 And he's like, I would have showed up.

00:47:31.000 They banned me from the debate.

00:47:32.000 No, that's what he should totally do.

00:47:33.000 He's like, then he just flies over Milwaukee airspace.

00:47:36.000 He should just like do live stream reacting to the debate and like just have it be all memes made by his like fans.

00:47:43.000 It's just smart.

00:47:44.000 I think it's a mistake.

00:47:46.000 I think it's a mistake if you're a Trump supporter because I've talked to these other camps and they want him on the stage.

00:47:50.000 The other camps are the who wants it the most.

00:47:52.000 It's not Fox News or the RNC.

00:47:54.000 They are begging, begging to be, have Trump on there.

00:47:59.000 Jackie, you were going to finish a thought.

00:48:02.000 Well, there is another option, Charlie, that I think that could potentially thread the needle here.

00:48:07.000 And that's kind of what we've already started saying.

00:48:10.000 Why not just counter program it?

00:48:12.000 Right.

00:48:12.000 So you can counter program it.

00:48:14.000 He does an event with Tucker.

00:48:16.000 I mean, imagine Trump and Tucker just watching the debate and commenting on it in live stream.

00:48:21.000 It might actually get more ratings.

00:48:23.000 And I actually, no, it would get higher ratings than the debate itself that they were doing.

00:48:29.000 He should absolutely not go to the debate.

00:48:32.000 There's no question about it.

00:48:34.000 And I'm going to make this as forceful as possible.

00:48:36.000 And I want to add the political background of this.

00:48:39.000 The person who's been assigned to running the debates for the RNC is someone that's supposed to be super friendly to President Trump.

00:48:49.000 Well, we won't even talk about, you know, who that is.

00:48:53.000 It's pointless.

00:48:54.000 But the point is, the fact that Trump's not even considering not showing up to the debates is a massive embarrassment on the behalf of the RNC.

00:49:02.000 I'm a member of the RNC.

00:49:03.000 I'm ticked off.

00:49:04.000 I'm ticked off so much that the RNC has fumbled, you know, because again, remember, the RNC got out of the commission, the nonprofit that was run by liberals, so we could run our own debates.

00:49:18.000 They immediately went to Fox.

00:49:20.000 Fox then stumbled, fired Tucker, which is like the worst thing possible for the conservative movement.

00:49:26.000 Nobody trusts Fox right now.

00:49:27.000 Nobody likes Fox.

00:49:29.000 Harmee Dylan, who ran against the chair, is not even appearing on Fox.

00:49:34.000 She's Tucker's lawyer.

00:49:36.000 She's also a blessing to the movement.

00:49:40.000 But we have this movement now where most of the conservative movement does not support Fox.

00:49:45.000 And so that's the primary sponsor of the debate.

00:49:49.000 They went out and got Young America's Foundation, who we know well, they hate us.

00:49:53.000 We don't care about them.

00:49:54.000 They hate us because they said they were doing all these things for the conservative movement for years after Reagan's death.

00:50:01.000 Turns out they were just using Ronald Reagan's name to raise money.

00:50:05.000 In fact, most of you are listening.

00:50:07.000 You may be sending money to Ronald Reagan's ranch, not realizing you're sending money to Young America's Foundation.

00:50:13.000 Which pays for Mike Pence.

00:50:15.000 Which pays for Mike Pence because I put this tweet out, which is Mike Pence ran out of the Eisenhower building after being VP to get a multi-hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from Young America's Foundation, which is fine, whatever.

00:50:31.000 That's fine.

00:50:32.000 But they're a Pence organization.

00:50:35.000 They have on their payroll Mike Pence, effectively.

00:50:39.000 That is the co-sponsor that the RNC thought would be smart is a person who's running for president is an organization that employs one of the candidates running for president.

00:50:51.000 People would go, you know how crazy it would be if we paid Donald Trump, which we don't.

00:50:55.000 Donald Trump's never asked a dime from us, by the way.

00:50:58.000 But if we paid Donald Trump as an employee of Turning Point USA, do you know what kind of levels of crazy would come out of the establishment if it came out that Turning Point action, because we would never have our C3 co-sponsor a debate, but Turning Point Action sponsored a debate.

00:51:13.000 And people go crazy.

00:51:15.000 The RNC did this as a way to stick it to us because we were in Dana Point trying to dethrone Mitt Romney's niece from being the RNC chair.

00:51:21.000 It's obvious why they did it.

00:51:23.000 But that's how petty the movement is.

00:51:23.000 And fine.

00:51:25.000 That's how petty they are.

00:51:25.000 Of course not.

00:51:26.000 And so this is how poorly they thought through this.

00:51:28.000 It's like, oh, we'll go get yes to co-sponsor the debate because we hate turning points so much.

00:51:33.000 Turning point's done here.

00:51:35.000 And then, and it turns out, oh man, we didn't really think this one through.

00:51:39.000 Mike Pence is employed by them. 0.95

00:51:41.000 Mike Pence is the most detestable character. 0.97

00:51:43.000 And I'll just say this. 0.80

00:51:44.000 I don't know how they're legally going to be able to defend this because, holy cow, that is really having a 501c3 sponsor a political party.

00:51:52.000 RNC debate.

00:51:53.000 Yeah.

00:51:54.000 That's a bad move.

00:51:55.000 I would have like platoons of lawyers saying, dude, what are you?

00:51:59.000 We have a C4 for a reason around it.

00:52:01.000 Okay.

00:52:02.000 In fact, our entire 501c4 hosted ActCon for a reason.

00:52:05.000 Okay.

00:52:05.000 Anyway, I don't want to belabor that too much.

00:52:07.000 But now the opposite.

00:52:08.000 Let's play the opposite.

00:52:09.000 Then let's go to the Lizzo.

00:52:11.000 Blake, the opposite is this.

00:52:12.000 And you changed my mind on the CNN thing.

00:52:14.000 I was like, don't do the CNN town hall, Caitlin Collins, waste of time.

00:52:18.000 But you have this belief, like Trump is at his best when he's combative. 0.98

00:52:22.000 He's a beast.

00:52:23.000 It's like he's up 50 points.

00:52:24.000 So what he might get up 55, but like he'll, he needs to raise money, right?

00:52:29.000 Raise money.

00:52:30.000 And like you keep everyone very psychologically invested in you.

00:52:34.000 And you know, I don't think we say like, oh, the general's the general, but that's what gives him part of his strength in a general election is you want the idea of Trump, who's not merely an avatar of the Republican Party.

00:52:46.000 And how do you remind people he's not just an avatar of the Republican Party?

00:52:49.000 He shows up at debate and he just embarrasses a ton of Republicans.

00:52:52.000 Well, and that's the thing is that I have a point here.

00:52:56.000 I have a really important point.

00:52:56.000 Yeah, go.

00:52:57.000 Yeah, go.

00:52:58.000 Because we made this analogy.

00:53:00.000 Donald Trump getting on the debate stage is like Michael Jordan getting on the court when you're 50 points up.

00:53:06.000 Doesn't make any sense.

00:53:08.000 I agree with you about Caitlin Collins.

00:53:10.000 Donald Trump going and playing Caitlin Collins is like, is like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals.

00:53:17.000 He gets nothing but benefit.

00:53:18.000 He knows he's going to win with his base.

00:53:20.000 Counterpoint.

00:53:21.000 You know, we've discussed how having Yaff do it, having the RNC do it is kind of like them, you know, being a situation where they're against him.

00:53:28.000 It's like if, let's say, there was some beef, let's say the Utah Jazz are just totally dragging.

00:53:34.000 They're like, Mike's old.

00:53:35.000 He's done now.

00:53:36.000 And so Mike would go in and just, he drops 60 points on them in this game.

00:53:41.000 And yeah, he stays in.

00:53:42.000 They're up by 50 and he's still just chucking up threes.

00:53:46.000 And he wronged he wouldn't, though.

00:53:47.000 He would come off the court.

00:53:48.000 They wouldn't hurt Michael.

00:53:50.000 You wouldn't allow Michael Jordan to lose any ground.

00:53:52.000 A basketball game.

00:53:54.000 This isn't a team sport.

00:53:56.000 Okay, there's, there's, I mean, there's, there's a team in the terms of their supporters, but you know, this is an individual map, right?

00:54:04.000 So you have individual fighters, players, whatever you want to call it, in terms of this.

00:54:09.000 So you have to have yourself.

00:54:11.000 I think Trump sort of, I think it is on a primal level.

00:54:15.000 Trump's politics are about, you know, are about dominance.

00:54:18.000 And so what is the dominant play to do?

00:54:21.000 The dominant thing could be to not show up.

00:54:26.000 The dominant play is, I don't need to show up.

00:54:28.000 You need me far more than I need you.

00:54:31.000 And if I show up, I am going to be the center of attention and everyone has to come at me and I will defeat them.

00:54:37.000 And if he stays away from all of the debates, he allows that creeping sense of doubt.

00:54:41.000 Is he staying away because he thinks he'll lose?

00:54:43.000 No, he has to stay away only to the extent that it shows he doesn't need to be there.

00:54:48.000 It's annoying for what you just said, right?

00:54:51.000 You just said, oh, the DeSantis team's got a plan.

00:54:54.000 I know.

00:54:54.000 They got a plan to take him out.

00:54:56.000 They got their plan.

00:54:58.000 Okay, but that coming out publicly then set the stage for the next shoe to drop is how does Trump beat the plan?

00:55:06.000 How does he do it?

00:55:07.000 He's already winning.

00:55:08.000 You can say it's like what is the goal?

00:55:10.000 He wins, but the goal, the goal is to crush your enemy.

00:55:15.000 Yeah, but this is why I disagree about it being a team sport thing.

00:55:20.000 Because again, there are more things at play here than just one-on-one debate spars, right?

00:55:29.000 Like there are, there is an entire ecosystem of conservatives who, and again, let's use Vivek as the example, right?

00:55:36.000 Vivek has the most to gain by how he interacts with DeSantis and Trump.

00:55:42.000 Vivek is cheering for Trump not to show up.

00:55:44.000 Vivek is cheering for exactly.

00:55:46.000 Vivek is cheering for Trump not to show up because he becomes the effective Trump at the debate.

00:55:53.000 And then that hurts DeSantis even more.

00:55:55.000 And again, if you're Trump, you're looking at this and you're going, that actually kind of makes sense.

00:55:59.000 That actually makes a lot of sense for me not to show up to the debate because Vivek is going to become the Vivek Trump, you know, number two guy who's going to go back and forth.

00:56:10.000 And so when they start attacking Trump, guess who's going to be defending Trump?

00:56:15.000 Vivek is probably.

00:56:17.000 What if Vivek went to the point?

00:56:18.000 And so that makes Trump look better.

00:56:20.000 But you don't, you know, okay, obviously Vivek has navigated it really well.

00:56:24.000 How to handle, but real quick, he's handled it really well so far.

00:56:28.000 But how does how do things look if it's like Vivek was the real star of this debate, totally swept to the floor?

00:56:33.000 And what if he starts pulling higher and higher?

00:56:35.000 What if Vivek gets 20% to be running against Vivek?

00:56:40.000 Will he?

00:56:41.000 Yes.

00:56:41.000 Will he be thrilled if Vivek's at 40 points?

00:56:44.000 Yes.

00:56:45.000 They can't even fit Vivek's last name on most ballots.

00:56:48.000 I'm telling you, let's just be very kind.

00:56:51.000 I love Vivek.

00:56:52.000 Donald Trump attack vectors against Vivek is going to be like brutal.

00:56:57.000 Otherwise.

00:56:58.000 He would rather have him just not be pulling high against him.

00:57:01.000 He might enjoy it, but already then we have a situation where Trump has to run.

00:57:05.000 Vivek will never break 20%.

00:57:07.000 Pick your opponent.

00:57:08.000 Donald Trump wants to run up against Vivek.

00:57:10.000 Well, no, first off, and here's the important reason why, Charlie: the establishment will never get on board for Vivek.

00:57:17.000 He's already, and again, this is the best way I explain it.

00:57:19.000 We talked, talk about this two islands.

00:57:21.000 That's it.

00:57:22.000 There's two islands.

00:57:23.000 There's establishment island and there is non-establishment island.

00:57:28.000 And if you try to go in between those, you drown in the water, you're in the water.

00:57:32.000 That's where DeSantis has been most of the time, right?

00:57:34.000 DeSantis is not on establishment island.

00:57:37.000 I don't believe it.

00:57:38.000 I've seen the way they've interacted.

00:57:39.000 They've worked with us.

00:57:40.000 Anyone that will work with us at any point is just not an establishment island.

00:57:44.000 But those guys are all established.

00:57:45.000 Vivek has decidedly put himself on the non-establishment island.

00:57:50.000 He's the only guy with Trump there right now.

00:57:52.000 If there's too many people on the non-establishment island, can it tip over like Guam?

00:57:57.000 Almost.

00:57:57.000 Yeah, basically, that's what's happening right now.

00:57:59.000 They're all sinking right now.

00:58:01.000 And DeSantis is kind of struggling.

00:58:02.000 He's getting pulled back and forth.

00:58:04.000 And this is the problem that DeSantis has, and that all these guys have.

00:58:08.000 If one of more guys got on the island with Trump, it would split Trump's vote.

00:58:13.000 Vivek is actually hurting Trump a little bit because all of Vivek's vote ultimately is going to end up back with Trump.

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01:00:05.000 Okay, I think we are now talking about Lizzo.

01:00:09.000 Who wants to take that?

01:00:11.000 I don't think anyone wants to take it.

01:00:13.000 I don't understand this. 1.00

01:00:14.000 I don't understand why we just can't call fat and stupid and then send her to another place if that's possible. 1.00

01:00:22.000 Okay, so I'll get she's getting sued. 1.00

01:00:25.000 I'll take the ball here. 0.95

01:00:26.000 So three of Lizzo's former dancers have filed a lawsuit against her, accusing her of sexual harassment for creating a hostile work environment. 0.99

01:00:35.000 Lizzo has violated United States civil rights law.

01:00:37.000 That's putting it very lightly.

01:00:39.000 There's two excellent components of this.

01:00:41.000 One is that they claim to have been body shamed by Lizzo, which is because they're too fat. 0.94

01:00:49.000 I think it is because they are too fat.

01:00:51.000 I'll get the exact line. 0.96

01:00:52.000 Or they're not fat enough. 0.98

01:00:54.000 No, because they're too fat. 0.97

01:00:55.000 I think it is too fat. 0.78

01:00:56.000 It might be.

01:00:57.000 Lizzo told her dancers they were too fat.

01:01:01.000 And they're probably good-looking people.

01:01:03.000 No, I mean, like, I don't understand. 1.00

01:01:05.000 I think pop culture is so dumb. 0.99

01:01:07.000 I just, I don't get it. 1.00

01:01:08.000 What is her appeal again? 1.00

01:01:09.000 She's like a rapper. 1.00

01:01:10.000 She's like a flutist. 0.99

01:01:12.000 Is how she is like apparently good at playing the flute.

01:01:14.000 And then she's also become this musical star.

01:01:17.000 I can't remember her genre.

01:01:19.000 Like loudest.

01:01:20.000 No, but isn't her whole shtick, like body positivity, like it's cool to be overweight and like making diabetes cool or something.

01:01:27.000 Did you have a song about that? 1.00

01:01:28.000 She's disgusting about like sunny light. 1.00

01:01:31.000 Isn't that one of her songs? 1.00

01:01:32.000 Most importantly, she's disgusting on the inside. 1.00

01:01:34.000 She's like a nasty person. 1.00

01:01:36.000 She's like, go through the lawsuit. 1.00

01:01:40.000 There's pretty bad.

01:01:42.000 Oh, there's something with bananas involved.

01:01:44.000 It does.

01:01:45.000 There is a banana part.

01:01:46.000 Does say, I'm reading in the NBC News report, the captain of Lizzo's dance team is accused of proselytizing to other performers and deriding those who had premarital sex.

01:01:57.000 So, whatever, we can get on board with that. 0.99

01:01:59.000 But while sharing lewd sexual fantasies, simulating oral sex, and that does get to the banana part. 0.99

01:02:06.000 Apparently, Lizzo had this encouraged them to take part in a practice where they would eat a certain sort of phallic-shaped fruit of yellow and color from a certain portion of anatomy. 0.99

01:02:20.000 Yeah, it's pretty much it.

01:02:22.000 Let's play cut 85, apparently.

01:02:24.000 Pretty disturbing.

01:02:26.000 It was Willie Pat they kissed.

01:02:29.000 They kissed after.

01:02:30.000 I'm not going to say what she did. 1.00

01:02:33.000 But I'm trying to go to the show where you eat the banana out the pussy. 1.00

01:02:36.000 Which one is that? 1.00

01:02:37.000 That's the banana bar.

01:02:39.000 Well, that's the banana bar.

01:02:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:41.000 We already have a banana in the and bing, boom, boom.

01:02:44.000 You have to go.

01:02:45.000 Yes.

01:02:45.000 And that's what I wanted to do.

01:02:46.000 You have to eat it.

01:02:47.000 I need my potassium if you know what I'm saying.

01:02:50.000 My poose potassium.

01:02:54.000 In Utah, we just eat banana splits.

01:02:56.000 Okay.

01:02:56.000 That's that's how we get our potassium.

01:02:58.000 So that's not like forbidden by like the rules and regulations.

01:03:02.000 The number one consuming state of ice cream and the least consuming of alcohol is Utah per capita.

01:03:11.000 But ice cream, one vice for the other.

01:03:14.000 The one's better than the other.

01:03:15.000 Well, they also have like the highest rates of porn usage.

01:03:17.000 Yeah.

01:03:18.000 Do you think they're searching Lizzo?

01:03:21.000 They're not searching Lizzo, but when they're typing in banana into their web browsers, it's for banana splits, is what I'm saying.

01:03:27.000 Wait, Utah just a great deal.

01:03:30.000 I've seen it before.

01:03:31.000 I've seen it before.

01:03:32.000 That's the claim, but you know, they it's per capita, but it's but they also the nicer part is that the do you not understand capital?

01:03:40.000 I do, I think that's the next topic.

01:03:43.000 The number one consumer per capita of ice cream is Utah.

01:03:48.000 And that's why banana split was the concern.

01:03:51.000 I tweeted out this that Lizzo calling her backup dancers fat is a lot like Joe Biden calling Donald Trump corrupt.

01:04:05.000 It's kind of interesting that those are both trending at the exact same time.

01:04:09.000 Well, that's that's that's wham. 0.94

01:04:10.000 So what we're talking about there is wham. 0.97

01:04:14.000 What?

01:04:15.000 Brother, you know about wham, right?

01:04:17.000 W-A-M? 0.99

01:04:19.000 Enlightenment.

01:04:19.000 Also neck splashing.

01:04:21.000 Okay, so wham is short for wet and messy.

01:04:25.000 So wet and messy, which it's, it, it can be, it seems like it's combining a few different techniques, I guess you could say here.

01:04:35.000 So there's feederism, which is obviously going on.

01:04:38.000 Feederism is it's a type of fat shame, not fat shame, fat fetish, where you're, you're basically turned on by eating someone fatty foods.

01:04:48.000 And then wet and messy is when you're then taking those foods and sploshing it basically all over the face or you know other areas.

01:04:57.000 And then and then finally, there's just for food play or vor play, which is basically the um uh the simulation or the actual act of basically what she's describing right there.

01:05:10.000 Oh, this was like a whole thing.

01:05:11.000 I'm really glad I picked our next topic.

01:05:13.000 It's like polar opposite of this.

01:05:15.000 But this was like a whole thing, like the overeating accounts on Instagram.

01:05:20.000 Is this related?

01:05:21.000 The big binge eating people where they're like overeating intentionally.

01:05:25.000 It's like disgusting.

01:05:26.000 But it's getting fatty. 0.90

01:05:28.000 With like a sexual element to that. 0.96

01:05:30.000 But you're no, yeah, it's like it's like a kink. 1.00

01:05:33.000 It's like a weird, yeah, like a kink. 1.00

01:05:35.000 It's like a weird thing.

01:05:37.000 I saw something about this.

01:05:38.000 I can't remember.

01:05:38.000 It was like, where it's like these, it's accounts that look like on the front face, these Instagram accounts, don't look like anything weird at all.

01:05:45.000 Just looks like someone just like eating food, but you watch it, and it's like this whole like really weirdly edited.

01:05:52.000 It's just a guy eating, but like they're overeating every single day, and they're celebrating.

01:05:57.000 That like teenager started off as like normal, yeah, yeah, and he's celebrating fatter monster.

01:06:03.000 And I think he started getting in shape again, which I hope is true.

01:06:06.000 Um, oh, I wish I could find that one account, but it was like it kind of went viral where it like brought like a lot of attention to it, where it was like this disgusting, where they were celebrating like this nastiness of eating, overeating every single day.

01:06:20.000 Okay, play cut 84.

01:06:38.000 Why is Michael Orr playing a flute?

01:06:41.000 Somebody said Charlie, that's America's national large mammal.

01:06:48.000 It was voted by Congress.

01:06:51.000 So we had a, I won't say who did this, I won't say what it was for, but we had one of those, like, what's your, what's the biggest thing you fear?

01:06:58.000 This was like a team builder thing, and somebody said it was a room full of Lizzos, a room full of them.

01:07:05.000 That's like going to be that's going to be like a thing in the Harry Potter reboot.

01:07:08.000 They have that bog.

01:07:09.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:07:09.000 I don't think it's like the thing you fear most in the world.

01:07:12.000 And it's going to open and it's going to be played by like Lizzo.

01:07:14.000 So that was James Madison's 1802, 02 flute, James Madison.

01:07:19.000 And that is the flute of the author of The Constitution.

01:07:23.000 Okay, I'm told to play cut 81.

01:07:58.000 Okay, is that her usually playing the...

01:08:02.000 Is she usually that bad? 1.00

01:08:04.000 I mean, allegedly, she's pretty. 0.63

01:08:06.000 Yeah, I'll go a woodwind guy.

01:08:08.000 I could play every flute. 0.86

01:08:11.000 That's she's not very good.

01:08:14.000 There's like other clips of her playing flute like offstage on YouTube where she's actually pretty good.

01:08:20.000 I'll give her, I'll give her, I'll be fair and give her the credit on that because I'm just asking this was terrible.

01:08:26.000 And that's obviously, yeah, that's the real thought crime, right?

01:08:29.000 Where she's actually pretty good on the flute.

01:08:31.000 That's like representatives and officials from the Smithsonian that have gone over and co-signed this entire display, which to me is just amazing because what you're this is the perfect representation of what America is now today: a big old fat lady like Lizzo playing James Madison's flute.

01:08:55.000 And I'm sorry, but when I look at some of these indictments of President Trump, whenever I look at some of these ridiculous opinions as we're in the end of the Supreme Court, all I can think of is fat Lizzo twerking to James Madison's flute. 0.98

01:09:06.000 Yeah, I mean, it's like a defecation of a BLM fat activist twerking on stage. 0.96

01:09:13.000 That's the difference in the game over screen of America. 0.96

01:09:15.000 When she was on stage, my first reaction when I saw her on stage was like, right tackle for the Baltimore Ravens.

01:09:21.000 My first response.

01:09:22.000 She's a massive person.

01:09:24.000 Fi Fi Bo.

01:09:27.000 I always love this.

01:09:29.000 Whenever you are talking about somebody like this, I always type into Google the name of the person looks like, and then see what it fills.

01:09:37.000 And if you type it in, it says Lizzo looks like, and the first thing it finishes with is mashed potatoes.

01:09:43.000 I thought it was going to be a wildebeest. 0.96

01:09:45.000 And by the way, by the way, we get emails from people that say, oh, you fat shame. 0.99

01:09:51.000 First of all, stop being fat. 1.00

01:09:53.000 Second of all, if you're fat, I have no respect for you. 1.00

01:09:55.000 I'll be honest. 1.00

01:09:56.000 And secondly, she brags about it.

01:10:00.000 Like, if you're fat, then like, be honest, like, I struggle with it, like, whatever.

01:10:03.000 She advertises it.

01:10:06.000 Like, she advertises her obesity.

01:10:07.000 She thinks it's great.

01:10:08.000 There's so many problems in America that are sad because people like can't control them.

01:10:13.000 And, you know, fatness is the most controllable one.

01:10:15.000 If you find, if you search like photos of me on the internet, you'll get my old daily collar photo and I look like this like fat roly pulley.

01:10:22.000 And then I was like so disgusted by that.

01:10:24.000 I decided to not be a fat roly-poly anymore.

01:10:26.000 Just like, I mean, it's being fat is a choice.

01:10:29.000 It literally requires you to do nothing to stop it.

01:10:32.000 Taking bullies out of society because you just put like an 80s bully or a 90s bully back in society or any one of these schools that's out there today.

01:10:43.000 They'd be running the plate because they serve a strong purpose.

01:10:47.000 They serve a serious purpose. 1.00

01:10:49.000 We need like a squad of Heathers, not like the actual Heathers, but basically a squad of Heathers at every single school, just kind of maintaining the pecking. 0.82

01:11:00.000 Okay, now let's move to the group that really should be ridiculed. 0.99

01:11:04.000 Vegans.

01:11:05.000 So, Blake, what is this, this very interesting story?

01:11:10.000 It's a remarkable, remarkable story.

01:11:13.000 There's this vegan influencer, which is a job that exists now.

01:11:17.000 Vegan influencer, Jana Samsonova, has, I probably got the accents on that wrong. 0.99

01:11:23.000 Jack can correct me, but she has allegedly died of starvation in Malaysia while subsisting entirely on a diet of exotic fruit, which apparently did not provide her enough calories to, what's the technical term for it, live. 0.84

01:11:41.000 Yeah.

01:11:41.000 So, so this, so this is what I don't quite understand.

01:11:47.000 In order to starve for death, such as hard to death, you have to go 45 days without any form of sustenance like fats or carbohydrates.

01:11:56.000 It's, you know, it's possible.

01:11:58.000 Maybe that's less time if you're the size of this woman. 0.85

01:12:01.000 Oh, I guess your window is shorter.

01:12:04.000 I mean, to starve to death is an extraordinarily rare thing.

01:12:08.000 It is difficult.

01:12:08.000 And, you know, they'll say something.

01:12:10.000 I think she was starving, like in a starvation style.

01:12:13.000 She was perpetually starving.

01:12:15.000 Yeah.

01:12:15.000 And then she got sick.

01:12:16.000 And that's it.

01:12:18.000 Oh, got it. 0.96

01:12:19.000 She basically malnourished herself to death on eating nothing but fruit. 1.00

01:12:23.000 So her body attacked itself because she would, which can happen. 0.99

01:12:27.000 It happens with Canneda cleanses.

01:12:28.000 You can attack yourself if you screw up your natural flows.

01:12:32.000 When you just, you have no, you have no gift.

01:12:34.000 Anything bad happens to you.

01:12:35.000 Like you just, a stiff breeze will blow you over.

01:12:39.000 You know what's funny is this never happens with eating meat.

01:12:43.000 No one's ever heard that, oh, I ate meat and then died.

01:12:47.000 Didn't Jordan Peterson have something to do with that?

01:12:50.000 Like he was eating only meat?

01:12:51.000 Yeah, no, I mean, I'm close to that diet.

01:12:52.000 The carnivore diet can be really great.

01:12:54.000 Look, you don't need any carbohydrates in your diet.

01:12:56.000 Carbohydrates are completely unnecessary.

01:12:57.000 You just need proteins and fats.

01:12:59.000 That's it.

01:13:00.000 And vegans get...

01:13:01.000 Jordan Peterson was addicted to benzos.

01:13:04.000 Well, he wasn't addicted.

01:13:05.000 He had withdrawals, which is even worse than that.

01:13:08.000 You got to figure a way to get your proteins.

01:13:11.000 Yeah, good luck.

01:13:12.000 And even wilder things.

01:13:13.000 Fats are the most important.

01:13:15.000 Supposedly for seven years, all she ate was jackfruit, which has jack in its name.

01:13:19.000 That's not a good sign.

01:13:20.000 And then the other food she ate was.

01:13:21.000 Jackfruit's actually really good.

01:13:22.000 Was durians.

01:13:23.000 Do you guys know about durians?

01:13:24.000 No, are they like prunes?

01:13:25.000 No, durians are like gigantic Asian fruits.

01:13:29.000 And they're famous because, like, one, they smell really strong.

01:13:34.000 And whether you think it smells good or bad is a very divisive opinion.

01:13:37.000 People have compared it to fragrant flowers and also hot garbage, literally.

01:13:42.000 And like you can't bring them on the suburb on the subway in Singapore.

01:13:45.000 They're like, literally, you can find the sign that's like no durians, like a no-smoking sign.

01:13:50.000 And it's just this like wild, it's like a gigantic fruit.

01:13:52.000 It's a cross between a melon and like a like a like a puffer fish with like the spike sticking out of it and stuff.

01:13:58.000 Yeah, it kind of allegedly it kind of tastes like custard.

01:14:01.000 I haven't had one, but I should go get one.

01:14:03.000 We must have Asian arts around here.

01:14:06.000 There was a person in China, a friend of mine in China that, you know, we had them one time and I was like, I was like, yeah, okay, I'll go for it, you know, because I'm over there to obviously to try different things.

01:14:17.000 People always say, like, hey, pozo, did you have, you know, did you have a dog when you lived in China?

01:14:20.000 It's like, not knowingly.

01:14:23.000 Like, I never sought it out.

01:14:24.000 There were places you could go, but, you know, I ate street food, but who knows?

01:14:27.000 But yeah, we tried the durians, and it was like, it just tasted like a yucky fruit kind of thing to me.

01:14:32.000 And I'm not a fan of like sour stuff to begin with.

01:14:34.000 Like, I don't like, I don't like yogurt.

01:14:37.000 I don't like stuff that is, that feels like it's birdled.

01:14:39.000 I'm just not into it.

01:14:40.000 A lot of people, so sauerkraut, kombucha, and yogurt are not for you, right?

01:14:45.000 I'm not going to judge.

01:14:47.000 I've had that wacky Swedish fish.

01:14:48.000 It's actually really good for your gut health, but that's a separate issue.

01:14:51.000 I've had that wacky Swedish fish, that like surstromig, where they like ferment the fish.

01:14:55.000 No, yeah, fermented foods are really good for you.

01:14:57.000 Yeah, it's good stuff.

01:14:59.000 It's famous for those arguing.

01:15:00.000 I don't know if you're going to open the can.

01:15:00.000 I don't know.

01:15:01.000 No, no, I know.

01:15:02.000 You also can substitute the probiotics.

01:15:04.000 So make sure I understand this correctly.

01:15:05.000 This is so funny. 0.55

01:15:05.000 So, so, so, so, this woman ate jackfruit and durians and anything else for seven years, allegedly, that's all she ate. 0.55

01:15:18.000 So, I get vegetarianism to an extent.

01:15:23.000 I mean, I don't agree with it.

01:15:24.000 I get pescatarianism.

01:15:26.000 Veganism is completely concocted. 0.92

01:15:30.000 It doesn't have any ancestral roots.

01:15:32.000 It's like totally-well, it's ideological.

01:15:34.000 No, that's what I'm saying.

01:15:35.000 Is that there's like no basis for it whatsoever.

01:15:39.000 And I mean, it's no dairy, no fish, no meat, nothing.

01:15:44.000 It's literally just fruits and vegetables.

01:15:47.000 Fruits, vegetables, grains, I guess.

01:15:49.000 I think they're careful with even types of grains, though, aren't they?

01:15:53.000 Well, I think they're okay with grain.

01:15:55.000 Maybe some for health reasons don't like it.

01:15:57.000 I'm not, I'm not.

01:15:57.000 It's ideological.

01:15:58.000 It's the claim that, you know, eating animals or using animal products is immoral is a large portion of it.

01:16:03.000 And so, no, that's what it's what I'm saying.

01:16:05.000 How are those crops grown that doesn't affect animals?

01:16:05.000 It's an awful lot of people.

01:16:08.000 Like, you've got to plow a field.

01:16:10.000 Right, exactly.

01:16:11.000 Like, where do you not need to draw the line?

01:16:12.000 It's a very modern thing because you don't need to have the animals if you have hydrocarbons, but they probably don't like hydrocarbons anymore. 0.90

01:16:18.000 The no-fish thing, like, really, if this woman would have had fish like once a week, she'd be alive. 0.99

01:16:22.000 This means come off. 0.96

01:16:23.000 This is PETA's.

01:16:23.000 This is the question.

01:16:24.000 Johnna's idle stagnation was causing her to melt before our eyes, but she believed everything was fine.

01:16:30.000 PETA's faithfulness.

01:16:31.000 You know, what is actually not funny, though, is that there are vegans that do this to their hit, like newborn.

01:16:37.000 No, this is so.

01:16:37.000 And, Charlie, I think, as far as I know, you're the one of us that has the youngest kid right now.

01:16:42.000 And there are specific nutrients that a newborn need that you're not going to get on a vegan diet. 0.99

01:16:49.000 You will kill your child.

01:16:50.000 Well, no, we're not going to be able to do it. 0.99

01:16:53.000 Now that we are in the weaning, we're throwing everything, bison, chicken, and like everything.

01:16:58.000 Peas, watermelons.

01:17:00.000 She's how old now she's like almost a year.

01:17:03.000 Almost a year.

01:17:05.000 The big thing here, Charlie, is like vegans are out there.

01:17:07.000 They're among us.

01:17:08.000 And due to Joe Biden's open borders policy, they're able to come to this country. 0.90

01:17:12.000 I was just going to say this.

01:17:14.000 I bet with this Russian dying, I bet Vladimir. 1.00

01:17:19.000 I bet Vladimir Putin is just going is going nuts. 0.87

01:17:22.000 Be like, they're trying to convert all our people. 1.00

01:17:25.000 PETA is trying to convert all our people. 0.99

01:17:27.000 You're trying to kill off our people. 0.95

01:17:29.000 He's going to invade Sweden. 1.00

01:17:30.000 So, I mean, this person is really mentally unstable. 0.93

01:17:32.000 I mean, and you type in vegan, by the way, literally, this is a screenshot. 0.81

01:17:37.000 Every single result is vegan influencer dead of starvation.

01:17:41.000 Here's how you know veganism isn't a real thing.

01:17:44.000 Because if people could survive on that, that's, I guess that is the diet that Stalin put Ukrainians on. 0.84

01:17:52.000 Which is just like, what, grains?

01:17:54.000 He wasn't vegan for long because eventually they were eating each other.

01:17:57.000 But here's how you know vegans are frauds because they have to counterfeit the taste of our food. 0.74

01:18:03.000 That's how you know they're fraud.

01:18:04.000 Right?

01:18:05.000 So if you go to a vegan restaurant, it's not enough just to have the vegetables.

01:18:07.000 It's like, oh, here's like fake milk and like fake meat.

01:18:12.000 Like, okay, you guys, you know, the palate is designed a certain way.

01:18:16.000 So you stop faking it.

01:18:19.000 Well, if I see the impossible burger at any restaurant, it immediately makes me never want to go back to that.

01:18:25.000 By the way, if you understand the impossible or the beyond meat, it is so bad for you.

01:18:29.000 I mean, it's like literally the same stuff that goes into dip and dots.

01:18:33.000 You remember dip and dots?

01:18:34.000 It's the same technology that makes dip and dots.

01:18:37.000 No, dude, it tastes creamy, but it's really bad for you.

01:18:41.000 If a time traveler came back from the future, they would tell us everyone eats dip and diet.

01:18:44.000 I mean, I don't know anyone who's vegan.

01:18:46.000 I know people that are vegetarian and pescatarian.

01:18:48.000 Just don't be ideological in how you eat, guys.

01:18:49.000 It's just the most important, a very important takeaway.

01:18:52.000 So during COVID, you might remember everyone freaked out and bought everything at the supermarket.

01:18:56.000 And I remember going to my supermarket the week of the big lockdowns and the shelves were stripped bare.

01:19:02.000 And the only items in like kind of the meat sector that were left were the impossible burgers and turkey burgers.

01:19:11.000 Well, I'll take turkey burgers.

01:19:12.000 I don't like the taste of turkey burgers, but they're actually pretty good for you.

01:19:15.000 I like turkey burgers.

01:19:16.000 Okay, play cut 113.

01:19:17.000 Look, I do here here is here is a rule of thumb.

01:19:22.000 Not every vegan is crazy. 0.91

01:19:25.000 But almost every crazy person is vegan. 0.81

01:19:27.000 Play cut 113.

01:19:29.000 Three, two, one, sing.

01:19:31.000 Eating animals wrong, McDonald's.

01:19:33.000 Hurting animals strong McDonald's.

01:19:36.000 Share this song and change your entire menu to be vegan from no one.

01:19:46.000 I will never want us to eat animals.

01:19:49.000 He wouldn't have made them so delicious.

01:19:51.000 I'll never step foot again in a Burger King because of their sales of impossible whoppers.

01:19:55.000 Like, I just, it just, it's just, it's, it's so bad for you.

01:19:59.000 I mean, look, first of all, Burger King meat is not exactly the best thing for you, but like the impossible stuff, it's so artificial and the nutrient profile is so, it literally wages war on your digestive tract.

01:20:12.000 Okay.

01:20:13.000 So.

01:20:13.000 Charlie, you had Raw Egg Nationalist on?

01:20:16.000 No, I haven't.

01:20:17.000 And, you know, I'm actually not as convinced on the research of raw eggs.

01:20:21.000 I think it's actually a fad.

01:20:22.000 So I'd love to, is he actually into that or is that like a shtick?

01:20:26.000 He's got like a whole, he's got a whole book on it.

01:20:26.000 Oh, no.

01:20:29.000 He's got a whole like menu book that you can get on it.

01:20:32.000 Bunch of stuff.

01:20:33.000 I think you would like him, though.

01:20:34.000 You guys are pretty symbolic on a lot of stuff.

01:20:36.000 No, you should, you should connect me.

01:20:37.000 I actually follow his Telegram feed.

01:20:41.000 Yeah, it's hilarious.

01:20:43.000 Okay, so I want to.

01:20:45.000 So we have to play Cut84.

01:20:47.000 Is that what you're telling me, Blake?

01:20:49.000 That's for the next topic.

01:20:51.000 We have about 10 minutes to do that.

01:20:51.000 Got it.

01:20:51.000 Okay.

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01:22:00.000 Okay, Blake, take it away.

01:22:01.000 All right.

01:22:02.000 Well, our next topic is, I think we just open.

01:22:04.000 There's a clip that went very viral thanks to our friend Benny Johnson.

01:22:08.000 It's no, that's right.

01:22:10.000 It's an event in South Africa.

01:22:12.000 Yeah.

01:22:12.000 Well, it's thanks to Benny, but I put it in the chat.

01:22:15.000 And then Benny, whatever.

01:22:17.000 I think I was actually the first one to flag this because of all these fun Telegram channels that I follow.

01:22:21.000 It was actually from, I'm not going to tell what Telegram channel it's from.

01:22:25.000 But Jack, I think you and I are subscribed to some thought crime Telegram channels.

01:22:30.000 Anyway, it's on a Telegram channel.

01:22:32.000 I'm not familiar with that.

01:22:33.000 But let me, just full disclosure, it was on a Telegram channel that definitely pushes the boundaries of acceptable thought.

01:22:39.000 I kind of love it.

01:22:40.000 And all of a sudden, you know, this Telegram channel has a little bit of a tendency to exaggerate this particular one, but it's totally true. 0.70

01:22:49.000 This one actually happened to be legit.

01:22:52.000 And so it's the third largest political party.

01:22:56.000 And I've like watched this like 10 times.

01:22:57.000 It's so scary.

01:22:59.000 It's the third largest political party in South Africa.

01:23:01.000 It's like a black nationalist party, basically.

01:23:03.000 Economic freedom fighters.

01:23:04.000 Yeah.

01:23:05.000 And they're like chanting in Afrikaans, which is the, is that right?

01:23:09.000 I'm not sure what language it's in.

01:23:10.000 Well, I think Afrikaans is the, I think that's the language they speak in South Africa.

01:23:13.000 Well, they have many languages.

01:23:14.000 And South Africa's got many, many languages.

01:23:17.000 So let's play CUD84. 1.00

01:23:19.000 Shoot to kill Hamaza. 1.00

01:23:22.000 Kill the Boo! 1.00

01:23:24.000 The Pharma! 1.00

01:23:26.000 Kill the Boo! 1.00

01:23:28.000 The Farmer! 1.00

01:23:30.000 Boo Pa!

01:23:34.000 Jack!

01:23:41.000 I kind of like that.

01:23:41.000 That's going to be my new ringtone, actually.

01:23:43.000 Kill the boer! 1.00

01:23:45.000 Kill the farmer! 1.00

01:23:47.000 Like, it's got, I don't know, it's got some rhythm to it. 0.98

01:23:49.000 So what the Boer is, and now there's a distinction here between Boers and Afrikaners.

01:23:49.000 I think.

01:23:55.000 So Boers, these refer predominantly to the Dutch who have been in South Africa for hundreds of years, as opposed to the British, who really only got there into about the 1800s.

01:24:07.000 And basically what they're referring to are white farmers that live in the more rural northern areas of South Africa.

01:24:16.000 And this has been going on.

01:24:18.000 There's been documentaries made about this.

01:24:19.000 Lawrence Otherland made a documentary about this called Pras Morte.

01:24:24.000 And it is the farm murders.

01:24:26.000 It's the farm murders that have been going on.

01:24:28.000 Essentially, you get these gangs that run out there screaming at the owners of this, saying that you stole our land, even though, like I said, they've been there for hundreds of years.

01:24:38.000 These are farms that have been handed down family to family since before the United States existed.

01:24:45.000 And they're just simply killing these families, wiping them out. 0.58

01:24:48.000 And you've got the leader of this party essentially calling for white genocide. 0.71

01:24:52.000 Now, what's interesting is that the most famous South African in the world, Mr. Elon Musk, the head of the platform formerly known as Twitter, X.com, head of Twitter, actually straight up responded to Benny Johnson and called it white genocide.

01:25:12.000 He said they're calling for white genocide and Silver Ramaphosa, the head of, we've got the tweet there, the head of the president of South Africa, has never said anything about it.

01:25:24.000 And I say this is actually vital that Elon Musk, he's clearly the most famous living South African.

01:25:31.000 Look, he's a guy who got out there.

01:25:33.000 There's still 4 million European Caucasian people living in South Africa at this point.

01:25:40.000 And he's just openly calling this.

01:25:42.000 I think a tweet that I saw that I really like to highlight, it's from Zayed Jalani.

01:25:47.000 I don't know if I said that name right, but he's one of these kind of, he's a liberal, but mostly kind of woke critical.

01:25:54.000 But his response to this was really funny, which was center left.

01:25:57.000 Yeah, it's center left, something like that.

01:25:59.000 Sorry, you guys freaking moved down now.

01:26:01.000 I have to scroll back up to see it.

01:26:02.000 Okay, this chant, from what I understand, has a historic and symbolic meaning for the anti-apartheid struggle.

01:26:10.000 And most people don't take it literally.

01:26:13.000 So we went full Reddit on.

01:26:14.000 Yeah, it's just like, yeah, actually, yeah, like, yeah, like when you have a statue of George Washington in Publix, that's like very microaggressive and genocidal. 0.67

01:26:23.000 But when they chant, kill the boar, kill the white farmer, that's just like a symbol. 0.62

01:26:29.000 Okay. 1.00

01:26:29.000 Wait, Charlie, everything that you and I say is a dog whistle, right? 1.00

01:26:33.000 Everything that you and I say is a dog whistle.

01:26:35.000 Dog boy.

01:26:36.000 Everything that we tweet, you know, has like secret codes and secret messages. 1.00

01:26:41.000 But then when you got this guy up in South Africa screaming, kill the white thingy. 0.99

01:26:47.000 Yes. 1.00

01:26:47.000 Kill the boar. 1.00

01:26:52.000 That's that's we've we've put that in the full the full lyrics. 0.97

01:26:52.000 No, no, no. 0.97

01:26:56.000 It's the exact same thing when all the trannies are walking through the streets. 1.00

01:27:00.000 We're gonna take your children.

01:27:02.000 We're gonna take your children.

01:27:03.000 No, no, no, it's not what they're saying.

01:27:05.000 It's it's just like it's a joke.

01:27:06.000 It's just fine. 0.95

01:27:07.000 Or all get the gay men's choir. 0.99

01:27:09.000 We're gonna take your children. 0.99

01:27:10.000 They don't mean it.

01:27:12.000 It's not what you think it is.

01:27:14.000 No, get the get get the group the pack of gays that talk about that. 0.98

01:27:17.000 Or the overtly racist convert your children. 0.99

01:27:20.000 You're right.

01:27:20.000 Racistic that Joe Biden said.

01:27:22.000 Same thing.

01:27:23.000 You buy that. 0.99

01:27:24.000 Joe Biden's straight up racist. 0.99

01:27:26.000 And they're like, Trump dog whistle. 0.99

01:27:28.000 Trump, you know, this, that.

01:27:30.000 Like, they don't even have to look for it.

01:27:31.000 It's yeah.

01:27:32.000 So the uh the lyrics to the actual song kill the boar, which I don't know if he was literally singing it or if he was just referencing it, but this is actually these are the English language lyrics of the song, which is originally in Hosa, I believe.

01:27:46.000 The cowards are scared, shoot, shoot. 0.95

01:27:48.000 Ah yeah, shoot, shoot. 1.00

01:27:50.000 The cowards are scared. 1.00

01:27:52.000 Shoot, shoot, shoot the boar, shoot, shoot, shoot the boar, shoot, shoot. 1.00

01:27:57.000 At one point, it says you listening to it right now. 1.00

01:28:01.000 No, they're playing the gay song.

01:28:02.000 Guys, I'm going to call to it. 0.97

01:28:04.000 Oh, that's the gay song. 1.00

01:28:05.000 Yeah. 0.54

01:28:05.000 Who gets that? 0.54

01:28:07.000 No, do we, do we know?

01:28:07.000 Now, Blake, hold on.

01:28:09.000 Could he potentially, maybe they meant shoot them a smile. 1.00

01:28:12.000 Maybe they mean when they say kill the boar, they mean kill the part inside your soul that is racist. 1.00

01:28:18.000 Yeah, okay. 1.00

01:28:19.000 All right, that's like ego death, right? 1.00

01:28:21.000 Kill the black. 1.00

01:28:23.000 A little bit of an interesting thing here. 1.00

01:28:25.000 This clip we're about to play of the all-men gay San Francisco choir saying we're going to convert your children. 0.89

01:28:31.000 Anytime we put this up on YouTube, we get a strike.

01:28:36.000 They have a full-time firm, I think, they've engaged to try to memory hole this thing from the internet.

01:28:40.000 Play cut 116.

01:28:42.000 We have a message for you.

01:28:45.000 You think we're sinful, you fight against our rights.

01:28:50.000 You say we all lead lives you can't respect, but you're just frightened.

01:28:58.000 You think that we'll corrupt your kids if our agenda goes unchecked.

01:29:05.000 Funny, just this once, you're correct.

01:29:11.000 We'll convert your children. 0.98

01:29:14.000 Happens bit by bit, quietly and subtly.

01:29:18.000 And you will barely notice it.

01:29:21.000 We'll convert your children and make an ally of you yet.

01:29:30.000 It's obviously symbolic.

01:29:31.000 It doesn't mean anything, right?

01:29:33.000 Stop it.

01:29:34.000 Sadly. 0.94

01:29:35.000 They don't mean we're going to convert your children, bigots. 0.99

01:29:37.000 They've really memorized off the internet is the version of them and have feel like sex with them. 0.80

01:29:43.000 No, no, they've really memory-holded the version that highlights like the sex crimes by various members of that choir, which I think there were like 10.

01:29:50.000 No, that's actually a real thing, though.

01:29:51.000 For real, yeah.

01:29:52.000 In that picture of all, but it's like you know, 55 gays, 10 of them were arrested for, yeah, you know, it's like not all of them to be clear.

01:30:02.000 Some, I assume, are good people, but it is definitely a non-zero number of uh people with child sex offenses. 0.59

01:30:10.000 As Kyle Rittenhouse proved, you you can't fire into a crowd of liberals without hitting at least one.

01:30:19.000 The term we prefer these days is libertarian.

01:30:23.000 Oh, okay.

01:30:26.000 Do we have a deep web reveal, Blake?

01:30:28.000 We do, we do.

01:30:29.000 All right, let's see.

01:30:30.000 We've got uh, just a moment.

01:30:32.000 What's the name of Public Square, right, Angelo?

01:30:35.000 Public Square?

01:30:36.000 Good.

01:30:37.000 I want to tell you about Public Square, publicsq.com.

01:30:40.000 I just had dinner with Public Square, Michael Cipher.

01:30:43.000 Jack, you're a big public square guy, right?

01:30:46.000 Look, when you understand the power of what Public Square is doing, the fact that they were out there with this huge public offering the IPO, going down there, ringing the bell on Wall Street with Don Jr., with Cypher, with all the guys who were there.

01:31:04.000 This is actually taking the world by storm.

01:31:06.000 And I've spoken to them offline a little bit about this, how the signups they're seeing are going at such a fast clip now because it's building off of all of these different pieces of it, Charlie.

01:31:16.000 The wokeness coming out of Hollywood, the Bud Light situation, so many different companies saying, Oh, we're going to pay for abortion.

01:31:22.000 We're going to do this travel.

01:31:24.000 People are so checked out, but they say, How do I look?

01:31:27.000 Okay, I know which companies I don't want to support anymore, but how do I know?

01:31:31.000 And where's an easy way for me to find companies that I do support?

01:31:35.000 That's where Public Square comes in and makes it just so incredibly easy for someone who's out there.

01:31:41.000 Like if you're my wife, if you're Tanya Tay, you're trying to figure out how to get your, you know, you're worried about like dinners for the kids and they got to get to this activity, that activity.

01:31:49.000 It's summer, so we're doing a lot.

01:31:51.000 You don't have time to make all these decisions and keep all these lists.

01:31:55.000 Public Square, boom, so easy right for you.

01:31:58.000 And there are now hundreds of thousands of people across the country using this.

01:32:03.000 It's amazing.

01:32:03.000 Go to publicsq.com, download the app, very much behind a publicsq.com.

01:32:08.000 All right, guys, we got at most five minutes.

01:32:09.000 What do we want to spend our time?

01:32:10.000 We've got the deep web reveal for today.

01:32:12.000 We're going to continue our education of Charlie and the obscure ways of the internet.

01:32:16.000 So today we are the uninitiated.

01:32:18.000 We are bringing him no holes this time.

01:32:21.000 We're bringing him some lines, specifically the green lines of the Rivolino test.

01:32:26.000 So I didn't know this until Jack explained it to me rather perfectly.

01:32:31.000 But tell me about the line test.

01:32:34.000 It's the line test.

01:32:34.000 It's from this account named Rivolino.

01:32:36.000 I don't know that much about him.

01:32:37.000 I guess he's probably in some like PUA space or whatever.

01:32:40.000 But the idea is you can really like, you can see like who's the dominant person and say, oh, you know, pick up thing like in a relationship, for example, by who's standing straight, who's leaning into the other person.

01:32:53.000 And so like, for example, if we got 87 here as a good example, like this looks like we think like, oh, big dude, very dominant, but the problem is he's leaning into the woman.

01:33:03.000 The woman, she senses it's weak.

01:33:06.000 And, you know, it's very, very unassertive.

01:33:08.000 Another creepy version we've got is from Joe Biden himself.

01:33:12.000 If you bring up number 88 here, you know, she's really creeped out because Joe Biden's, you know, leaning into her.

01:33:18.000 So the green line, the green line test never lies.

01:33:21.000 Well, he's got the actual whole explanation of it, right?

01:33:24.000 So he calls it sexual polarity.

01:33:27.000 And in sexual polarity, it's the feminine wants to lean into the Mexican, the masculine, the Mexican. 0.85

01:33:33.000 The feminine wants to lean into the masculine. 0.98

01:33:35.000 She wants to enter his world, feel his strength, feel his protection, submit to his guidance. 0.98

01:33:42.000 Sexual polarity is the foundation for sexual attraction.

01:33:45.000 I'm reading from his tweet.

01:33:46.000 Sexual polarity is the foundation for love. 0.78

01:33:50.000 And so what people have gone now and done is with the Rivolino test or the green line test is going through anytime you see a male or a female or two men or whatever it is in a photo, you just add it in the green lines and then you see.

01:34:04.000 Is this person attracted to this person?

01:34:06.000 Is this person pulling away?

01:34:08.000 What's going on?

01:34:08.000 That's the Rivolino.

01:34:10.000 Yeah, probably the peak of this was that one of our good friends, Representative Paul Gosar, actually tweeted this a year or two ago.

01:34:19.000 So he had some examples where he just tweeted images of himself with Trump where both of them are perfectly straight, thereby demonstrating their strong, assertive confidence, as it were.

01:34:32.000 Neither of us.

01:34:33.000 Well, there's another.

01:34:34.000 This is the meeting of, but there's another aspect to that, Blake.

01:34:38.000 So there's a different kind of Rivolino test, and this is just for guys.

01:34:41.000 And it has to do with, has to do with, I'm just going to say it.

01:34:45.000 It's called crotch confidence.

01:34:46.000 The other one is crotch shame.

01:34:49.000 And this has to do with if someone is, there you go.

01:34:53.000 Okay.

01:34:54.000 I told you we weren't going to say that word, but okay, there it is.

01:34:58.000 So whether or not you're standing up straight or you're crossing your hand over you.

01:35:06.000 And you will not find, you will not find a specific instance of Mitt Romney not crossing his crotch in any photo.

01:35:17.000 Go look.

01:35:17.000 I'm telling you.

01:35:19.000 Fails it every time.

01:35:20.000 No crotch confidence.

01:35:22.000 No confidence. 0.80

01:35:24.000 What about Mitt Romney with that hot dog?

01:35:27.000 Do we have a Mitt Romney?

01:35:29.000 Mitt Romney with a lava lamp.

01:35:31.000 Mitt Romney with the hot dog picture?

01:35:33.000 Is the hot dog bending or has he been?

01:35:34.000 I'm not sure.

01:35:35.000 I'm not sure.

01:35:36.000 A good recent one, Romney with the birthday cake candles.

01:35:39.000 A very good recent example that we just added is throw up 117.

01:35:43.000 We have a lot of things.

01:35:43.000 Oh my gosh, he's bending.

01:35:45.000 He's talking to his hot dog picture.

01:35:47.000 We talked about Jonah Hill recently with his girlfriend, and it's like he was trying to talk tough with her.

01:35:52.000 And it might have worked, but if you check the photo, the, you know, Jonah Hill 117, he's leaning into her.

01:35:58.000 She's got, yeah.

01:36:00.000 And she's got it.

01:36:01.000 And the dog's good.

01:36:02.000 The dog.

01:36:03.000 As far as the, you know, the crotch confidence goes, like, his crotch faces her rather than the world.

01:36:09.000 While her own parts, they face the entire world.

01:36:13.000 They are there for the whole world to have.

01:36:15.000 Now, is this the one? 0.98

01:36:17.000 This is the one that they broke up and she leaked the tech.

01:36:20.000 Yes, yes, that person.

01:36:21.000 So this is that one. 0.99

01:36:23.000 She just typically why they broke up. 1.00

01:36:24.000 Yeah, that's why they broke up.

01:36:25.000 She would have been 100% if he had just given her to obey you and please you if he had just stood more straight.

01:36:32.000 He just knew about the test and he would have known that was coming all along.

01:36:36.000 He would have known never lied.

01:36:39.000 All right.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 05, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 8 — To Debate or Not to Debate? Kill the Boer? Lizzo's Banana Republic?

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