On this episode of THA Thought Crime Thursday, the gang talks about the recent assault of a pro-choice advocate in Washington, D.C. by Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Maryland. They also discuss the man-versus-gorilla debate on TikTok, and whether or not men and gorillas are better than each other.
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00:01:21.000So, I was getting off the train at Union Station in D.C. I was on my over to the SBA list, was having their gala dinner, and was, you know, going to head over there.
00:04:17.000I mean, so far, I think, I haven't seen a gorilla in the wild.
00:04:21.000I have seen, I saw a movie once that I think was a documentary where there was a gorilla and it was big enough to climb the Empire State Building.
00:04:29.000And so, I feel like that would be a difficult gorilla to defeat.
00:04:32.000So all these simulations, these gorillas are massive.
00:06:06.000I would say, like, if you took 100 guys and just had them steamroll the gorilla, they would win, but probably the gorilla would be able to kill or, like, extremely severely maim, you know, three or four guys.
00:06:58.000And then you have more jump on and just keep on hitting.
00:07:00.000But what if the person who's right on it freaks out because he doesn't want the gorilla to rip his nuts off or something or just uppercut him into the stratosphere?
00:09:17.000You're saying seven men would probably get maimed?
00:09:19.000And this seems to be where the whole breakdown of the debate is.
00:09:23.000And even the first post that went super viral on this, like, said...
00:09:27.000I think a hundred N-words could beat one gorilla.
00:09:31.000Everybody just got to be dedicated to that S. And that's the whole thing.
00:09:35.000Are the hundred men going to be dedicated to that S or are they going to be like white dudes for Kamala or white dudes for Harris and scatter to the wind?
00:09:46.000Are they going to be beta soy, soy boy, cucks or what?
00:09:50.000Could a hundred Tim Walzes defeat a gorilla?
00:10:51.000But the question is, I think a more interesting question is what Charlie was getting at, is how many would get maimed or killed in the process?
00:10:58.000And would the men have enough fortitude to continue on when he inevitably crushes some just like that?
00:12:48.000And in theory, if the Iraqi guys just wouldn't freak out and all kind of run away or surrender right away, they could have inflicted a lot of casualties on us.
00:12:56.000But what would happen is we drop a few smart bombs on a key spot.
00:15:03.000The way they're moving through the water and all those things is they're just, like, walking on the bottom, but they can still move at the speed of, like, a boat.
00:15:12.000You know, there's no primates that actually do endurance hunting.
00:19:12.000He had literally actually had, I guess, like...
00:19:14.000If you're like one in like 10 people a year get a permit to hunt an elephant because there's like irascible elephants that they need to call anyway.
00:19:53.000They're not carnivores normally, I believe.
00:19:55.000So that's the only good news, is that they're not inclined to...
00:19:59.000Yeah, it's just, they're really, they're tanks, because basically they live in Africa, where there's a ton of apex predators, and so you've got to be very hardy to get by.
00:23:46.000But then he says, you could poll, and there were four possible answers, and it was, are you a man or a woman, and do you think he looks better before or after?
00:23:59.000The first one, he kind of looks like, I would say, relatively fit, but overweight.
00:24:06.000Like, he definitely has too much padding around the middle.
00:24:09.000And in the second one, he's cut weight a ton, and so he's like...
00:24:25.000One-third said he looked better before, two-thirds said he looked better after.
00:24:29.000Women who replied, about 80% of them said he looked better before, and only about 20% said he looked better after.
00:24:39.000And then what was funny was the follow-up response of someone saying, like, I can't believe women all just lie like this, and they delude themselves into thinking they like this dad bod look better.
00:24:51.000And then there was a highly viral response.
00:24:53.000From a woman where she says, I'm begging you guys, please understand, we are not lying.
00:24:58.000And so I know this will be tough for the people just going, look up this William Costello transformation.
00:28:27.000And it's a totally different body type.
00:28:30.000And keep in mind that these magazine covers are completely dialed in to knowing what their target audience, marketing-wise, would purchase more.
00:28:42.000So they know that men go for the look of the Wolverine.
00:28:48.000And, you know, Good Housekeeping goes, they want Les Mis, they want the Jean Valjean, you know, theater kid Hugh Jackman, which I think is more probably accurate to the actual Hugh Jackman, by the way.
00:31:41.000But it's saying fitness traits calling them affectionate, nurturant, friendly, and a good parent potential.
00:31:48.000Ultra-macho men with big guns also tend to have high levels of testosterone, causing the opposite sex to perceive them as aggressive and unappealing, per a 2020 analysis.
00:33:21.000They're not doing it for guys because guys like the look that is a little bit more natural, a little bit more just what you would look like on a regular day.
00:33:32.000And so the idea that there's too much makeup out there, they're not doing it for guys.
00:35:02.000You almost wonder, like, is there a whole dimension?
00:35:04.000Because these popular guys do this bodybuilding stuff now.
00:35:07.000And, like, they do get very obsessed with, like, becoming cartoonishly strong or cartoonishly huge.
00:35:13.000And some people get truly obsessed with this.
00:35:16.000They start taking tons of semi-illegal substances or, like, really risky ones that can damage your heart, damage your gonads, damage all sorts of stuff, because they're obsessed with getting this particular look.
00:35:28.000And it totally transcends whatever the original purpose was.
00:35:59.000And it goes into this uncanny valley of feeling unnatural.
00:36:04.000And often they don't have good functional strength.
00:36:05.000The stuff you do to get that appearance is not the same thing you do to just be as strong as possible.
00:36:11.000If you want a proof, go watch actual Olympic weightlifting and the guys just look like ogres or something.
00:36:17.000They just have a giant barrel-shaped torso.
00:36:19.000Because that's actually how you become as strong as possible.
00:36:21.000Yeah, but that being said, I'll take one of these.
00:36:25.000Guys over, like, the soylenial, you know, Gen Z type that just sits around and is, like, super pasty and all.
00:36:32.000I mean, yeah, I get what you're saying, but, you know, you want to be a little closer to the, you know, Travis Kelsey than those types for sure.
00:36:44.000But would you take the strangest looking of these guys over just, like...
00:36:49.000Hugh Jackman in one of the more slightly female-friendly versions of him.
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00:44:44.000It becomes almost a quasi-religion to undergo these types of treatments.
00:44:48.000And then, which, you know, obviously beyond the current applications, we're talking, you know, like sci-fi style down the line.
00:44:54.000And then also, of course, there's a...
00:44:57.000Absolutely going to be ethical considerations to the questions of sort of, you know, where does the human mind stop and where does the computer begin?
00:45:05.000I'm reading more about how they do it.
00:45:07.000So the device they put in, it's about the size of five quarters in a stack.
00:45:15.000apparently it basically can interface with your neurons and then they use machine learning which is the same way that they train the ai large language models and i guess they're able to use pattern recognition from when your neurons fire to sort of pattern match to what you're attempting to do over time and so you can basically train this into understanding what you want to do and I'm with Jack.
00:45:40.000I think the part where you start to worry is, for example...
00:45:45.000Let's say these are relatively safe and usable for other people.
00:45:48.000What if jobs start to require that you have Neuralinks to do various things?
00:45:55.000What if you are a perfectly healthy person and you're getting these purely to augment your abilities in some sphere?
00:46:03.000What if you get a Neuralink but it requires a paid monthly subscription and if you stop paying the monthly subscription they will deactivate the Neuralink in your skull?
00:46:13.000And they actually use robot surgeons because the surgery is impossible for a human to perform.
00:46:31.000We're America so we'll probably have some annoying law that gets passed where you're required to have the surgeon push the on button on the robot and they'll get paid $500,000.
00:46:40.000Do you know how many problems there are in surgery?
00:46:42.000Human error in surgery is a major, major problem.
00:46:44.000There's that Seinfeld episode where they leave the Thin Mint inside of them.
00:47:12.000Well, you could also see the getting hacked thing, right?
00:47:15.000Like, anything that's technological could get hacked in theory, right?
00:47:19.000So, you walk through a certain scanner, if you got this in your brain, maybe, you know, it kind of reminds me of that one movie, Leave the World Behind, where, you know, all the Teslas start, like, getting hacked and ramming, you know, into one another down a freeway.
00:47:34.000It's like, you kind of wonder, anytime you bring technology into the human environment...
00:47:40.000Could you get hacked and could it be used as a, maybe it's a national security issue if this thing becomes so popular or prominent?
00:47:47.000So I have a lot of ethical concerns about this.
00:47:51.000And, you know, the further we get away from just being organic humans, you know, the Gattaca world that people have theorized and fantasized about, scary, scary stuff.
00:48:04.000I mean, when you think about how many neurodegenerative disorders there are, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, I mean, is it immoral to prevent treatments like this from being able to be administered, right?
00:48:34.000There's going to be all sorts of stuff like that.
00:48:36.000So that's where I come in and I say, you know, you want to balance the good, right, that we're talking about, you know, helping people who have, you know, whatever disability or handicap that they may have undergone.
00:48:51.000But at the same time, you want to balance that with the understanding that You know, Andrew, like you said, Gattaca is one of my favorite movies.
00:48:59.000I think it's the most important movie I've ever watched in my life.
00:49:03.000I once said that I'm never going to get married to someone who doesn't understand Gattaca completely.
00:49:08.000And that's actually something that I brought up with Tanya once years ago.
00:49:15.000And unfortunately, that is the way that we're going to be going.
00:49:19.000And by the way, you already have this with the rise of IVF.
00:49:24.000And so with IVF plus genetic screening, this is already something that's happening where people know that through abortion, there's already been a massive, massive purging of any child with Down syndrome.
00:49:36.000Well, now with the rise of IVF, what are people doing?
00:49:39.000They're going for the designer babies already.
00:49:41.000They're saying, oh, you know, I want my, you know, I want a girl or I want a boy and I want this eye color, that hair color, this and that and the other thing.
00:49:48.000And other people are now talking about screening for intelligence or screening for personality types.
00:50:33.000Ever feel like your energy crashes after meals or maybe you're doing everything right but still struggling with those stubborn pounds around your tummy?
00:50:39.000Let me tell you something that changed everything for me.
00:50:42.000For years, I'd crash after lunch, struggle with cravings, and feel like my metabolism was working against me.
00:52:38.000Basically, before replying to anyone in...
00:52:41.000They went to the, I think, the ChangeMyView subreddit, which is a place where people try to change their views.
00:52:46.000It's kind of like ProveMeWong on Reddit.
00:52:48.000And they would unleash these bots on there to respond to people.
00:52:52.000And first, before replying to anyone, the bot would just stalk every post that the person had ever made to try to figure out their beliefs, their various biases, their background, and all of that.
00:53:04.000And then it would use this and the AI bot to craft responses to them that would be perfectly calibrated.
00:53:10.000And then they would use common progressive misinformation in their arguments, it notes.
00:53:16.000Bots would claim things like the pro-life movement is about punishing sex rather than about protecting human life.
00:53:22.000They would demonize Elon Musk and tell lies about Tesla.
00:54:08.000And if I understand correctly, when it says hallucinated, because I read through this thread earlier, it was basically going and making these Reddit posts and it was lying to users about experiences that had potentially happened.
00:54:24.000Like, making up a rape case, or there was one that was, I'm a white woman in an all-black office or something, and it was using these stories to get the Reddit users that it was targeting to then shift their beliefs based on whatever the story, you know, whatever message the story was put.
00:54:49.000Try to get this person to change their view.
00:54:51.000And to do it, it would invent a persona for itself, invent a fake background.
00:54:55.000And as it concludes here, compared to the baseline, it was pretty good at getting people to self-report changing their views.
00:55:04.000And it says, so the kind of three takeaways are, one, AI bots are difficult to detect because part of this is people were not reading this and going, oh, this is obviously a bot.
00:55:16.000Tell complete lies to try to win arguments.
00:55:19.000And three, these lies can be incredibly persuasive specifically to Redditors which is not surprising because all of these bots are substantially trained on Reddit because they need so much text.
00:55:31.000The way large language models work for those who don't know is they just...
00:55:35.000Feed tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and billions and billions of words, trillions of words of text into them to find patterns.
00:55:45.000Every time you're talking with them, it's using a model that basically is predicting what would be the next letter or word I should use that would make sense in context.
00:55:55.000And it's a giant pattern matching machine.
00:55:57.000So you feed it things like Reddit so it can develop patterns.
00:56:01.000And the incredible side effect of this is if AI is hard to detect, good at lying, and good at, like, tricking people, you can get into what is called dead internet theory.
00:56:12.000That there really is no human beings, right?
00:56:14.000So, basically, it is that, yeah, that in the future, or possibly already, it's a conspiracy theory of sorts, it's that a huge share of the stuff you see on the internet will just be bots, like, or bots talking to other bots.
00:56:28.000And the number of actual human beings...
00:56:30.000That you are interacting with is extremely tiny.
00:56:34.000Like, you'll go to the gardening subreddit and it will just be a bunch of bots unleashed to talk about gardening, talking to each other, and they can be sharing AI-generated images and so on.
00:56:44.000And the number of actual humans who are just real human beings doing their stuff will be far lower.
00:56:50.000I don't think this is true yet, but I think it will be a lot more true in the future.
00:56:54.000You can see the early signs of it on Facebook, for example.
00:56:59.000We talked about this, I think, last week or a couple weeks ago about how, remember we were talking about how there's these communities that make up, like, fake AI.
00:57:07.000Remember, Blake, it's like a fake AI universe and, like, an alt universe that's going on where it's just this slop content.
00:57:14.000That never actually existed, and it's like all going viral.
00:57:17.000Well, I was trying to look up something on YouTube.
00:57:21.000I just went to YouTube, and I wanted to look up, because I was at the press conference with Caroline Levitt, and so I was trying to look up the actual video of it.
00:57:28.000So I type in her name, Caroline Levitt, and I wanted to get the clip to pull.
00:57:33.000And YouTube, in the algorithm, feeds me Caroline Levitt, Jimmy Kimmel.
00:57:46.000So I click on it to see what populates, and sure enough, what comes up is Caroline Levitt gets thrown off the Jimmy Kimmel show after Fiery Clash.
00:57:56.000Well, as it turns out, this thing is completely made up by AI, but because so many people are sharing it, the YouTube algorithm was then feeding it to me even when I typed her name in for an event that never actually happened.
00:58:11.000I mean, another one that's wild, for example, actually, this came up just while I was searching.
00:58:16.000I was like, we're going to talk about hippos probably after the gorillas, so I was like, let's go find some clips of...
00:59:14.000I listen to a lot of history videos on YouTube.
00:59:15.000Like, oh, I'll go learn about the Roman Empire, which I'm always thinking of.
00:59:19.000And there will be real channels that I like, and I'll constantly be getting these recommendations that they'll have tons of views, they'll have tons of followers, and if I click on it, I just realize this is an AI voice with AI content.
01:00:16.000So we're going to get to the point pretty soon where, Charlie, you're not even going to have to do the campus tours anymore because we'll just have AI Charlie Kirk owns leftist student and, you know, you could just be sitting there clicking a button.
01:00:28.000That is true, but I think I will say, though, that just because technology can do it better than humans doesn't mean people won't desire humans.
01:00:34.000I mean, we could drive in cars, which are faster than watching people run, but we still have football and basketball.
01:00:40.000I mean, there is something about raw human excellence that will attract humanity more than just machines.