The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 82 — 100 Men vs. A Gorilla? Dad Bod or Gay Bod? AI vs. Redditors?

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00:00:57.000 Okay, everybody, it is Thought Crime Thursday, and we are here with the gang, Blake, Jack, and producer Andrew.

00:01:06.000 Jack, are you okay?

00:01:07.000 I heard you got assaulted.

00:01:08.000 There was an incident.

00:01:10.000 It is currently under investigation.

00:01:13.000 As of now, I'm doing okay.

00:01:16.000 A couple things here and there, but generally okay.

00:01:19.000 Well, what happened?

00:01:21.000 So, I was getting off the train at Union Station in D.C. I was on my over to the SBA list, was having their gala dinner, and was, you know, going to head over there.

00:01:34.000 Fantastic pro-life organization.

00:01:36.000 And I see this group of federal workers there doing this sort of federal workers matter protest or something outside.

00:01:44.000 I said, oh, go over, check out.

00:01:45.000 It's D.C. There's always different events going on.

00:01:47.000 Maybe get some footage.

00:01:48.000 When I saw who it was, though, I realized that it was Jamie Raskin, Democrat from Maryland, was there in the middle.

00:01:56.000 And was, you know, given a speech, talking about protesting, saying that Donald Trump isn't the voice of the people.

00:02:03.000 And I said, well, and at that point I had to respond because Jamie Raskin is saying Donald Trump isn't a representative of the people.

00:02:09.000 I said, but Jamie Raskin, if that's true, why did you lose the popular vote?

00:02:12.000 Why did you lose 7 for 7 out of the swing states?

00:02:16.000 And he then, well, he then...

00:02:20.000 And, you know,

00:02:46.000 eventually Capitol Police came up, and at no point, by the way, Did Jamie Raskin ever once ask for any of this to stop?

00:02:52.000 He never said, oh my gosh, this is too much.

00:02:56.000 Guys don't do this.

00:02:57.000 Get him out of here safely or anything like that.

00:02:59.000 He seemed to step back and almost enjoy what was happening to me here.

00:03:04.000 This violence that he had directly incited upon me.

00:03:08.000 Well, I hope everything resolves itself and glad to hear you're doing okay.

00:03:14.000 What is our first topic?

00:03:15.000 It leads directly into our next topic.

00:03:17.000 I don't quite understand the phenomenon around this topic.

00:03:20.000 It's because it's fun, Charlie.

00:03:22.000 The viral debate on TikTok is man versus gorilla.

00:03:28.000 Or should we say men versus gorilla?

00:03:32.000 I think we can't show the original tape because I think it uses bad words in it.

00:03:35.000 But basically the big debate that people have been going is could 100 human men And the conclusion is?

00:03:52.000 It's surprisingly varied.

00:03:54.000 To me, I think my initial response, and I think your shared response as well, was, yeah, it's a hundred guys.

00:04:01.000 Yeah, sure.

00:04:02.000 But people have started making very funny videos.

00:04:04.000 But the videos that I've seen are like, these are like...

00:04:08.000 I mean, like elephant gorillas.

00:04:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:10.000 We should show some of these.

00:04:12.000 No, I know.

00:04:12.000 I mean, gorillas are usually like maybe six or seven feet, right?

00:04:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:16.000 Am I wrong?

00:04:17.000 I mean, so far, I think, I haven't seen a gorilla in the wild.

00:04:21.000 I have seen, I saw a movie once that I think was a documentary where there was a gorilla and it was big enough to climb the Empire State Building.

00:04:29.000 And so, I feel like that would be a difficult gorilla to defeat.

00:04:32.000 So all these simulations, these gorillas are massive. 1.00

00:04:37.000 Gorillas aren't as tall as people.

00:04:39.000 A male gorilla is five and a half feet tall.

00:04:44.000 And they rarely stand upright.

00:04:47.000 So they're knuckle walkers. 0.51

00:04:49.000 And so how heavy are they?

00:04:53.000 These simulations, the gorilla looks like it's 20 feet tall.

00:04:58.000 Okay, they're 400 pounds.

00:05:00.000 Of course 100 guys could take a five and a half foot.

00:05:05.000 Animal that's 400 pounds.

00:05:08.000 We're talking unarmed, right?

00:05:11.000 We're fully unarmed, right?

00:05:13.000 That's part of it, right?

00:05:15.000 No weapons, anything?

00:05:17.000 They just all jump on them.

00:05:19.000 I don't understand.

00:05:21.000 Yeah, so let's see.

00:05:23.000 Show the B-roll.

00:05:24.000 Show the B-roll from 403.

00:05:27.000 Look how big the gorilla is in a B-roll.

00:05:29.000 Okay, okay. 0.99

00:05:30.000 This is ridiculous. 0.71

00:05:31.000 Show this whenever I'm watching on the thing. 0.84

00:05:33.000 Put that in there.

00:05:36.000 The gorilla is like 13 feet tall.

00:05:43.000 Why in this simulation are the guys all white in this simulation? 0.96

00:05:48.000 Why are they watching?

00:05:49.000 Why don't they jump on his back? 0.98

00:05:50.000 This whole thing has never made any sense to me.

00:05:52.000 When I first saw it on Twitter, I spent 30 seconds, I'll never get back. 0.99

00:05:55.000 This is like the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 1.00

00:05:57.000 It is pretty dumb. 1.00

00:05:59.000 I would say, in the defense of people who think the humans would lose, it's kind of a... 0.99

00:06:04.000 It's a morale test.

00:06:06.000 I would say, like, if you took 100 guys and just had them steamroll the gorilla, they would win, but probably the gorilla would be able to kill or, like, extremely severely maim, you know, three or four guys.

00:06:18.000 Like they have very powerful bites.

00:06:21.000 So they could just kind of like bite your neck and you die or they could rip your arm off or they could throw you or punch you really bad. 0.86

00:06:29.000 And so some of those guys would die.

00:06:30.000 And the question is, do the people maintain does the massive men maintain their cohesion?

00:06:37.000 to defeat the gorilla menace or do they break and run away?

00:06:41.000 And I can easily imagine, you know, in certain dynamics, they would just run like wussies. 1.00

00:06:45.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:06:47.000 I mean, so Ryan thinks the gorilla would win.

00:06:50.000 I see.

00:06:51.000 Oh, I just.

00:06:53.000 Okay.

00:06:54.000 Yeah.

00:06:54.000 The gorilla would probably like mess up like seven guys.

00:06:56.000 And then you just jump on top of him.

00:06:58.000 And then you have more jump on and just keep on hitting.

00:07:00.000 But what if the person who's right on it freaks out because he doesn't want the gorilla to rip his nuts off or something or just uppercut him into the stratosphere?

00:07:10.000 I guess you don't want to win then.

00:07:12.000 But that's the thing.

00:07:14.000 Do they care about winning or saving their individual lives?

00:07:18.000 However briefly.

00:07:19.000 I mean, it depends on the stakes of this.

00:07:21.000 Well, again, we're talking about...

00:07:25.000 A fight, as in a stand-up fight, which means that we've already committed to the, for whatever reason, right?

00:07:32.000 We're talking physicality here.

00:07:33.000 We're not talking about motivation.

00:07:35.000 So for whatever motive, whatever the motivation is, the gorilla has killed all of their children, let's say.

00:07:43.000 And for whatever reason, they're also unarmed.

00:07:45.000 So they're fully committed.

00:07:47.000 They have decided to end this gorilla's...

00:07:50.000 Or at least it's freedom.

00:07:53.000 By the way, are we saying subdue or fully kill the gorilla?

00:07:58.000 I feel like this is to the death.

00:08:02.000 Again, you just get on the gorilla's back and eventually the gorilla will fall and just keep stomping on it.

00:08:08.000 I think Jack's already adding new caveats when it's like the men want revenge on the gorilla.

00:08:13.000 What if instead the 100 men are just abducted by maybe there's some Sure, sure.

00:08:31.000 Yeah, it's Kim Jong-un, and you will be killed if you do not fight the gorilla.

00:08:35.000 All right, hold on, guys. 0.94

00:08:37.000 Guys, we got to go through the gorilla's physical attributes.

00:08:42.000 Gorillas weigh up to 500 pounds, and they are 4 to 9. That's quite a spread.

00:08:48.000 Four to nine times stronger than a trained human male.

00:08:53.000 And their upper body strength is immense.

00:08:56.000 They can tear down trees, bend iron bars in captivity.

00:09:00.000 And get this, their bite force is 130 PSI, pounds per square inch, which is like double that of a lion's.

00:09:13.000 So they would bite and probably like...

00:09:16.000 Kill. 0.99

00:09:16.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:09:17.000 You're saying seven men would probably get maimed?

00:09:19.000 And this seems to be where the whole breakdown of the debate is.

00:09:23.000 And even the first post that went super viral on this, like, said...

00:09:27.000 I think a hundred N-words could beat one gorilla.

00:09:31.000 Everybody just got to be dedicated to that S. And that's the whole thing. 0.66

00:09:35.000 Are the hundred men going to be dedicated to that S or are they going to be like white dudes for Kamala or white dudes for Harris and scatter to the wind?

00:09:46.000 Are they going to be beta soy, soy boy, cucks or what?

00:09:50.000 Could a hundred Tim Walzes defeat a gorilla?

00:09:53.000 That's not men.

00:09:54.000 Ooh, that's fair.

00:09:56.000 That's fair.

00:09:57.000 I'm just thinking of, like, a hundred random welders.

00:10:00.000 Like, a hundred random, like, carpenters.

00:10:02.000 Or just, like, a hundred random just, you know, just people.

00:10:08.000 Poor Union guys.

00:10:10.000 We had a hundred Gorillas.

00:10:14.000 Yesterday, yeah, we had one Poso versus a hundred Gorillas.

00:10:19.000 Could they have beaten the Gorilla?

00:10:22.000 I mean, honestly...

00:10:24.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:10:25.000 Or, like, 100 Eagles fans.

00:10:27.000 What if it was 100 Eagles fans?

00:10:29.000 I feel like it'd be hard to fit 100 Eagles fans into, like, one combat arena, to be honest, Jack.

00:10:35.000 Yes, that's the point.

00:10:36.000 How drunk are they?

00:10:38.000 That's another question.

00:10:39.000 Completely wasted.

00:10:40.000 Just completely and utterly toasted.

00:10:42.000 Yeah, it will.

00:10:43.000 I think they would absolutely...

00:10:45.000 100 dedicated, trained, grown men that are not flabby and out of shape.

00:10:50.000 We'll win.

00:10:51.000 But the question is, I think a more interesting question is what Charlie was getting at, is how many would get maimed or killed in the process?

00:10:58.000 And would the men have enough fortitude to continue on when he inevitably crushes some just like that? 0.99

00:11:05.000 This simulation is so ridiculous. 0.98

00:11:07.000 Stop showing this. 0.98

00:11:09.000 Gorillas are not 15 feet tall.

00:11:12.000 This is documentary footage, Charlie. 0.98

00:11:14.000 This is so ridiculous. 0.97

00:11:18.000 So right now, why would they not be jumping on his back? 1.00

00:11:22.000 He's distracted with those four poor souls that are going to die.

00:11:26.000 Because they're terrified.

00:11:27.000 All the guys in the back are just standing there.

00:11:30.000 They're terrified.

00:11:30.000 I would go on his back.

00:11:31.000 You got a little bit of leverage there.

00:11:34.000 Well, that is a very interesting conundrum, right?

00:11:37.000 If you're going to be one of the first guys to jump in, you're probably going to get...

00:11:42.000 Killed or maimed badly.

00:11:44.000 So who goes first? 0.58

00:11:45.000 I don't know.

00:11:46.000 Flip a coin.

00:11:47.000 That's the difficulty of it.

00:11:48.000 How'd they do it at Normandy?

00:11:50.000 One is guys would just get really amped up about it and gave a lot of glory to it.

00:11:56.000 And also there wasn't the one total certainty of dying most of the time.

00:12:00.000 But that's kind of what breaks apart armies.

00:12:03.000 If you read about ancient warfare...

00:12:05.000 A few of their guys would die and, like, the rest would just kind of get terrified and freak out and run away.

00:12:10.000 That's why they preferred super poor people to be in their military, like, the front lines. 0.99

00:12:14.000 No, no, usually it was elite aristocrats who would be on the front lines.

00:12:17.000 But wouldn't they just, like, draft, like, random, like, peasant people? 0.89

00:12:20.000 You could.

00:12:21.000 Some armies would do that.

00:12:22.000 That would all be just mass.

00:12:23.000 But those guys couldn't fight at all.

00:12:24.000 That's the thing.

00:12:24.000 It's all about motivation and, like, spirit of, you know, spirit decor, as they call it.

00:12:30.000 Like...

00:12:30.000 You need guys to feel like they really are bound with the other guys.

00:12:34.000 They can trust the other guys and fight with them.

00:12:35.000 Otherwise, they fall apart instantly.

00:12:37.000 And that's why the U.S., for example, could beat Iraq, like Saddam Hussein's army, so easily. 0.57

00:12:43.000 We're outnumbered by a ton, but our guys would know what they were doing.

00:12:47.000 They were well-trained.

00:12:48.000 And in theory, if the Iraqi guys just wouldn't freak out and all kind of run away or surrender right away, they could have inflicted a lot of casualties on us. 1.00

00:12:56.000 But what would happen is we drop a few smart bombs on a key spot.

00:13:00.000 The leaders would get taken out.

00:13:01.000 The guys would all freak out and they would just surrender.

00:13:03.000 And so similarly here, it's like, what if one guy gets out ahead of the rest and the gorilla just pops his head off?

00:13:08.000 And everyone's like, I'm not going to be guy number two who gets his head popped off.

00:13:12.000 And then they all run away and freak out.

00:13:13.000 So I think what we really should shift on this, though, is are there any animals that we think could actually take out a hundred men?

00:13:24.000 Yeah.

00:13:25.000 Probably.

00:13:26.000 I think Charlie and I are having the same thought on the one that would defeat...

00:13:29.000 Oh, Hippo.

00:13:30.000 Hippo. 0.93

00:13:30.000 Hippo is the most murderous animal. 0.93

00:13:32.000 Yeah, Hippo kills way more people than lions, way more people than bears, and it could easily destroy them. 0.84

00:13:37.000 But I will push back.

00:13:38.000 Just so we're clear, they're incredibly fast.

00:13:41.000 They could run 20 miles an hour.

00:13:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:43.000 Sprinter speed.

00:13:44.000 But they're largely the most deadly because people underestimate them, not because they're actually the most lethal.

00:13:49.000 And they're pretty numerous.

00:13:51.000 Correct.

00:13:51.000 And they live in a big herd.

00:13:53.000 And let's not...

00:13:54.000 Let's not also forget how hungry they get.

00:13:56.000 They are hungry, hungry hippos.

00:13:59.000 But the one where, honestly, if there was a hundred men against a lion, I don't think that they would even get close.

00:14:09.000 A hundred men versus a lion?

00:14:11.000 They couldn't catch it.

00:14:12.000 Oh, but first of all, the thing about humans, you know how we can catch these animals, right?

00:14:17.000 Humans are powerful endurance animals.

00:14:20.000 So most animals...

00:14:22.000 Most animals are a lot faster than humans, but they get tired really easily.

00:14:26.000 Is this in a ring?

00:14:27.000 Is this in a coliseum?

00:14:29.000 That's just it.

00:14:30.000 If you're in a coliseum, you're just chasing around.

00:14:32.000 Do hippos not have endurance?

00:14:35.000 Is there water involved?

00:14:37.000 Hippos have lower endurance, but I think the thing is the hippo is just so strong.

00:14:40.000 How do you even hurt the hippo?

00:14:42.000 You're going to karate chop through that blubber? 1.00

00:14:44.000 No, that's true.

00:14:45.000 Like, big cats are very deadly.

00:14:48.000 You would have to break the hippo's neck, which is the strongest part of their body.

00:14:52.000 Yeah.

00:14:52.000 Jeez.

00:14:54.000 No, hippos are ridiculously...

00:14:56.000 Yeah, we have that footage there where it's like the hippo goes after...

00:14:58.000 Like, there's three lions and the hippo just wrecks it.

00:15:00.000 You know how those hippos...

00:15:01.000 Hippos can't, like, swim, by the way?

00:15:03.000 The way they're moving through the water and all those things is they're just, like, walking on the bottom, but they can still move at the speed of, like, a boat.

00:15:12.000 You know, there's no primates that actually do endurance hunting.

00:15:18.000 They also don't sweat.

00:15:20.000 They don't have sweat glands the way humans do.

00:15:23.000 And there's been a lot of theories about why it is that humans sweat.

00:15:28.000 Yeah, but not the way that humans do for cooling.

00:15:30.000 Like, most animals will...

00:15:31.000 No, dogs don't sweat. 0.93

00:15:32.000 Yes, they do.

00:15:32.000 That's why they pant.

00:15:34.000 They pant.

00:15:35.000 Yeah, they pant. 0.76

00:15:35.000 And so they pant, and they drink water, and they go into the shade. 0.76

00:15:39.000 But no animals sweat like a human sweats for cooling.

00:15:42.000 Dogs absolutely sweat.

00:15:42.000 You guys are wrong.

00:15:44.000 What dogs can't do is look up.

00:15:47.000 Dogs can't look straight up.

00:15:49.000 Okay, you guys are wrong.

00:15:51.000 So get this.

00:15:52.000 A lion has a bite force of 650 pounds per square inch.

00:15:56.000 A grizzly bear has 975 pounds per square inch.

00:16:01.000 A hippo has 1,800 to 2,000 pounds per square inch in that big old hungry maw of its.

00:16:08.000 I wonder what a gator has.

00:16:10.000 There's lots of videos you can find of like...

00:16:11.000 I literally just said they sweat and they're like, okay, they only sweat through their paws.

00:16:15.000 That's still sweating.

00:16:16.000 I know this.

00:16:17.000 That's the opposite of what I said.

00:16:19.000 I said that I grew up with a dog.

00:16:21.000 No, but dogs don't sweat the way humans sweat.

00:16:24.000 That's the whole point.

00:16:24.000 They don't do it for thermal regulation.

00:16:27.000 What do they sweat for then?

00:16:30.000 Smell really bad, probably.

00:16:32.000 Just for fun, basically.

00:16:35.000 For fun.

00:16:36.000 Why would they sweat if not for thermal regulation?

00:16:39.000 Do you think that 100 random men 200 years ago would have had a better likelihood of defeating said animals than 100 men in 2025?

00:16:48.000 That's interesting.

00:16:49.000 I think they would probably have the better morale, but they're probably malnourished.

00:16:55.000 They're probably underweight in comparison.

00:16:57.000 Okay, that's not the point.

00:16:58.000 Let's just...

00:16:58.000 Mindset.

00:16:59.000 Let's pretend that they had a nice week of meals.

00:17:02.000 Oh, then, yeah, probably.

00:17:06.000 Would the men of 200 years ago have more capacity?

00:17:10.000 I guess I would go back and forth on this.

00:17:13.000 It would kind of depend.

00:17:14.000 It would actually depend on what society you were taking them out of.

00:17:17.000 This is 100% real.

00:17:19.000 I think if you took 100 irascible Scotsmen and they had to fight it, they would probably have a better time than... 0.95

00:17:30.000 My money would be on the Scots. 0.92

00:17:32.000 Like 100 random serfs from the Ottoman Empire. 0.94

00:17:35.000 Well, of course, Charlie would be on the Scots.

00:17:38.000 Are these like Viking warriors raiding the shores of England?

00:17:43.000 Maybe.

00:17:44.000 200 years ago?

00:17:45.000 Probably not Vikings at that point.

00:17:46.000 Well, not 200 years.

00:17:47.000 I'm just saying, are they warrior men that love to fight?

00:17:53.000 George Washington fighting a hippo.

00:17:55.000 I wonder what would happen.

00:17:56.000 George Washington would die.

00:18:01.000 So, Charlie, we've had a lot of these discussions about the NBA.

00:18:03.000 George Washington cannot be killed in battle.

00:18:05.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:18:07.000 Would Michael Jordan defeat a hippo in battle?

00:18:09.000 In combat or in basketball?

00:18:12.000 He'd jump over him.

00:18:13.000 What's the difference?

00:18:14.000 I think that the hippo wouldn't be able to catch him.

00:18:16.000 I thought we just said that hippos can run really fast.

00:18:18.000 What's with Michael Jordan?

00:18:20.000 Michael Jordan has agility.

00:18:21.000 Could Michael Jordan move consistently at 20 miles an hour to escape from the hippo?

00:18:26.000 I think he could lose...

00:18:27.000 Can hippos move laterally really well?

00:18:29.000 This video's wild.

00:18:30.000 I don't know.

00:18:31.000 I think we need someone to use an AI to test Michael Jordan fighting versus a hippo.

00:18:36.000 I think Michael Jordan would, like, take the challenge.

00:18:38.000 That's the scary thing.

00:18:39.000 Ooh, yeah.

00:18:40.000 He'd probably take the challenge right now.

00:18:41.000 He's very competitive.

00:18:42.000 Oh, he's very competitive.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, we have another video there.

00:18:45.000 That's like a hippo chasing a full, like, desert safari jeep and almost catching it.

00:18:51.000 Yeah, 19 miles an hour.

00:18:52.000 Yeah.

00:18:53.000 Those are scary, man. 1.00

00:18:54.000 You gotta shoot it, man. 0.99

00:18:56.000 You can't go on those safaris without a weapon. 1.00

00:18:58.000 Yep.

00:18:59.000 Without a doubt.

00:18:59.000 You see these people go on...

00:19:01.000 I just want to go on a photographic safari.

00:19:03.000 I've literally heard...

00:19:04.000 They end up getting eaten by it.

00:19:04.000 I once talked to a guy who did that big game hunting stuff.

00:19:09.000 Oh yeah, I know plenty.

00:19:10.000 And he said...

00:19:12.000 He had literally actually had, I guess, like...

00:19:14.000 If you're like one in like 10 people a year get a permit to hunt an elephant because there's like irascible elephants that they need to call anyway.

00:19:21.000 You can't import it and all of that.

00:19:22.000 But they do allow a few people a year to shoot one.

00:19:24.000 Correct.

00:19:25.000 And like that was actually very dangerous because the elephant charged them and the guy ran.

00:19:29.000 But he said that was not the scariest hunting experience he had.

00:19:32.000 The scariest one was they took like a small little motorboat across a river and it had hundreds of hippos in it.

00:19:39.000 And it's like if the hippos go berserk, you're going to die.

00:19:43.000 Without a doubt, yes.

00:19:45.000 And that's the other scary thing with hippos.

00:19:46.000 Hippos, one of those is scary.

00:19:48.000 You can see hundreds and hundreds of hungry, hungry hippos.

00:19:52.000 Hippos go berserk.

00:19:53.000 They're not carnivores normally, I believe.

00:19:55.000 So that's the only good news, is that they're not inclined to...

00:19:59.000 Yeah, it's just, they're really, they're tanks, because basically they live in Africa, where there's a ton of apex predators, and so you've got to be very hardy to get by.

00:20:11.000 Wait, do you guys...

00:20:13.000 So I'm looking up top running speeds for men.

00:20:17.000 The fastest man ever was clocked at 23.35 miles per hour.

00:20:22.000 The fastest woman, 21 miles per hour. 0.99

00:20:25.000 But they're saying the average male from 20 to 40 is 5.9 miles an hour.

00:20:31.000 Do you think it's that big of a drop-off between the fastest man and the average?

00:20:36.000 I mean...

00:20:37.000 That doesn't sound totally right.

00:20:38.000 I mean, you can run on a treadmill six miles an hour.

00:20:41.000 It's not very fast.

00:20:43.000 Running at a very...

00:20:45.000 I would say dead sprint, the average person is maybe going 12, 13 miles an hour.

00:20:52.000 You can go and run 10 miles an hour on a treadmill, and it's pretty hard.

00:20:57.000 But you could run a quarter mile at that if you're in good shape.

00:21:00.000 A really good person could run a mile at that pace.

00:21:02.000 But endurance is our key.

00:21:04.000 That's how we outlast them.

00:21:06.000 And then, yeah.

00:21:08.000 Yeah, different sources, 12 to 13. Kind of weird that there's no other apes or primates that have that kind of behavior or that biology.

00:21:17.000 It's kind of weird how that works.

00:21:19.000 I thought evolution explains everything.

00:21:22.000 Yeah, I thought that's what we were told, and yet it's so strange that only humans have this biology and this behavior.

00:21:30.000 Weird.

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00:22:33.000 All right.

00:22:34.000 What's the next topic?

00:22:35.000 Yeah, let's get to the next topic.

00:22:36.000 All righty.

00:22:37.000 So the next topic is...

00:22:39.000 Oh, man.

00:22:39.000 Every time we do this, I end up like spacing.

00:22:41.000 Oh, yes.

00:22:41.000 It's the bods.

00:22:43.000 All right.

00:22:44.000 Now, this is more interesting than the gorilla.

00:22:45.000 All right.

00:22:46.000 This is a very fascinating one.

00:22:48.000 This all goes back to...

00:22:49.000 There's a woman equivalent one, too, that's going viral.

00:22:52.000 Oh, I haven't seen that one.

00:22:53.000 You should find that one and get it to us because we have...

00:22:58.000 What's the original post here?

00:23:00.000 I'm trying to find it.

00:23:01.000 It was a series that got seen like 80 million times.

00:23:03.000 Yeah, there was a bunch of them.

00:23:05.000 But what was really interesting, let's get the original one here.

00:23:09.000 We have too many freaking videos.

00:23:11.000 It's so hard to find, Charlie.

00:23:12.000 Our teams are just too good.

00:23:14.000 So remember, a lot of people listen on podcasting, so let's describe it first.

00:23:17.000 404, there you go.

00:23:18.000 Okay, so what is going on here is there is a viral...

00:23:22.000 It started off as a poll that some guy on Twitter posted.

00:23:25.000 William Costello.

00:23:28.000 And he posted a photo, and he says, the first reply to this poll, there is a picture of Ollie Mears, I guess, who is some guy.

00:23:37.000 And it's before and after he did a 12-week gym transformation program.

00:23:43.000 12-week plus probably testosterone.

00:23:45.000 Probably, who knows.

00:23:46.000 But then he says, you could poll, and there were four possible answers, and it was, are you a man or a woman, and do you think he looks better before or after?

00:23:59.000 The first one, he kind of looks like, I would say, relatively fit, but overweight.

00:24:06.000 Like, he definitely has too much padding around the middle.

00:24:09.000 And in the second one, he's cut weight a ton, and so he's like...

00:24:12.000 He could be a bodybuilder.

00:24:13.000 Yeah, it's like a bodybuilder look.

00:24:15.000 So very cut down, very tight, like dehydrated look, but muscular.

00:24:21.000 And then it says, do you think he looks better before or after?

00:24:23.000 Men, about...

00:24:25.000 One-third said he looked better before, two-thirds said he looked better after.

00:24:29.000 Women who replied, about 80% of them said he looked better before, and only about 20% said he looked better after.

00:24:39.000 And then what was funny was the follow-up response of someone saying, like, I can't believe women all just lie like this, and they delude themselves into thinking they like this dad bod look better. 0.99

00:24:51.000 And then there was a highly viral response.

00:24:53.000 From a woman where she says, I'm begging you guys, please understand, we are not lying. 0.94

00:24:58.000 And so I know this will be tough for the people just going, look up this William Costello transformation.

00:25:04.000 We can put it on our website.

00:25:06.000 Yeah, we'll put it on the website because you do want the visual angle on this.

00:25:11.000 But it led to the whole thing.

00:25:13.000 One, are the women correct to prefer the before picture? 0.94

00:25:17.000 And there's some follow-ups to that, which is...

00:25:20.000 Kind of the most truthful one, is bodybuilding kind of gay? 0.99

00:25:24.000 Well, there's a lot here.

00:25:25.000 First of all, men are answering the question differently.

00:25:29.000 Where men are not saying which one are they attracted to.

00:25:31.000 They're saying which one looks better.

00:25:33.000 Right?

00:25:34.000 So we're not saying which one we're attracted to.

00:25:37.000 And I don't want to speak for women. 1.00

00:25:39.000 I was surprised by this response.

00:25:41.000 But first of all, let's just be perfectly clear.

00:25:44.000 The second picture...

00:25:46.000 That doesn't happen just for being in the gym.

00:25:48.000 There's definitely some chemicals that that guy's been putting in his body.

00:25:51.000 Maybe a little testosterone replacement therapy.

00:25:54.000 Or a lot.

00:25:56.000 Let's just be honest.

00:25:57.000 He is on a full science diet.

00:25:59.000 Just by going keto, you don't, like in 12 weeks, go through that kind of transformation.

00:26:05.000 So, I have lots of thoughts.

00:26:08.000 You guys chime in.

00:26:09.000 Well, I will say, I hope this doesn't sound...

00:26:13.000 Self-serving in some way.

00:26:14.000 But I did...

00:26:15.000 You remember when P90X was really like a thing?

00:26:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:19.000 Andrew, did you do P90X?

00:26:21.000 Were you a P90X guy?

00:26:23.000 I did P90X, but I didn't make it 90 days.

00:26:26.000 I made it 60 days.

00:26:28.000 It was a cult.

00:26:29.000 Of course you were.

00:26:31.000 It was CrossFit.

00:26:31.000 It was...

00:26:32.000 It was the precursor to VHS CrossFit.

00:26:37.000 VHS CrossFit.

00:26:38.000 Yeah, precisely.

00:26:39.000 It was not VHS.

00:26:41.000 It was DVDs.

00:26:42.000 It's not that old.

00:26:44.000 But I did it for 60 days and they had this whole thing where you couldn't eat egg whites.

00:26:51.000 Everything was lean.

00:26:53.000 You couldn't eat certain kinds of meats.

00:26:55.000 You had to eat only lean meats.

00:26:57.000 And then you worked out every day for 60 days.

00:27:02.000 When you pair diet with a workout regimen that's pretty intense, you get pretty ripped pretty quick.

00:27:12.000 I would say within a month, you see really dramatic effects.

00:27:20.000 And that was just diet and exercise.

00:27:23.000 Pure diet and exercise, no alcohol, just cutting back the fat.

00:27:28.000 I'm telling you, this guy's on 12 weeks, no way.

00:27:31.000 So, anyway.

00:27:32.000 Well, so, but there's, can we put up real quick, I think it's 412, because I want to move, I want to go back to the original discussion.

00:27:40.000 So, and I'll explain what this is for folks that are listening.

00:27:43.000 So, Hugh Jackman, everybody knows that Hugh Jackman, he goes and changes his body type, whatever.

00:27:49.000 Sure, I'm sure he uses all the science when he does, you know, X-Men and Wolverine.

00:27:53.000 But what we've got here are two magazine covers, both of Hugh Jackman.

00:27:58.000 One is a men's magazine.

00:28:00.000 Muscle and Fitness.

00:28:01.000 The other is Good Housekeeping, which is, of course, a women's magazine.

00:28:06.000 So the men's magazine, it's like shredded, you know, and he's got the claws coming out.

00:28:13.000 His veins are popping.

00:28:15.000 His muscles are popping.

00:28:16.000 But on Good Housekeeping, he's slim and he's got this, like, nice shirt on.

00:28:23.000 It's a V-neck.

00:28:24.000 You know, it's long sleeve.

00:28:25.000 He's got a little smile.

00:28:27.000 And it's a totally different body type.

00:28:30.000 And keep in mind that these magazine covers are completely dialed in to knowing what their target audience, marketing-wise, would purchase more.

00:28:42.000 So they know that men go for the look of the Wolverine.

00:28:48.000 And, you know, Good Housekeeping goes, they want Les Mis, they want the Jean Valjean, you know, theater kid Hugh Jackman, which I think is more probably accurate to the actual Hugh Jackman, by the way.

00:28:59.000 Yes.

00:29:00.000 But yeah, they want theater kid Hugh Jackman.

00:29:03.000 And so it's, I mean, here's an exact...

00:29:06.000 You know, kind of proof of exactly what we're talking about, that women don't necessarily go for that. 1.00

00:29:12.000 They want, and especially, by the way, this is current women, right? 0.94

00:29:14.000 So they want the guy who's like, oh, he's going to cuddle with me.

00:29:18.000 He's going to watch some Netflix.

00:29:20.000 We're going to, you know, have mimosas.

00:29:22.000 We're going to go to a wine bar for banter.

00:29:26.000 Like, that's what they go for.

00:29:29.000 I think the guy in the second picture looks better.

00:29:32.000 I just, that's just me.

00:29:34.000 Not that I'm attracted to him.

00:29:36.000 Okay, alright, Charlie.

00:29:38.000 Not that there's anything wrong with this.

00:29:39.000 I say this with an unblemished record of heterosexuality.

00:29:43.000 Unblemished record.

00:29:44.000 We wouldn't ever want to blemish that.

00:29:46.000 That is one thing you do not want to blemish.

00:29:48.000 So what I would note is people are saying this is like a dad bod thing, but a lot of... 0.61

00:29:54.000 When they talk about dad bod, it's often just guys who are straight up fat.

00:29:58.000 That really is.

00:29:59.000 There's a lot of cope to it.

00:30:00.000 The guy in the first photo, he's clearly strong.

00:30:03.000 He's in a gym, so that's the point.

00:30:05.000 That's Andrew's point.

00:30:06.000 There's some...

00:30:08.000 Injections happening between picture one and two if he's in a gym for the first picture.

00:30:12.000 And he's got some strength.

00:30:14.000 Just looking at him, you can tell that guy could probably deadlift.

00:30:18.000 I wouldn't be surprised if that guy could deadlift four plates.

00:30:20.000 And that's pretty strong.

00:30:21.000 He can bench well and all of that.

00:30:23.000 And then he cuts away all the fat.

00:30:25.000 And I will say, I do think it looks weird when you get to those Mr. Olympia level things.

00:30:31.000 When body fat gets sub 6-7%.

00:30:35.000 You look strange and a little unsettling, because a normal person doesn't look like that.

00:30:41.000 Even a really strong guy who would be in some hunter-gatherer society would never look that way.

00:30:49.000 Some warrior elite that would be on the cover of a women's romance novel would not look that way, as far as I know. 0.85

00:30:57.000 Also, it has to be said, he kind of has a... 0.88

00:30:59.000 Gay look on his face in the second photo. 0.86

00:31:01.000 He's like smiling.

00:31:02.000 He's pointing right at his receding hairline, which is not getting good.

00:31:07.000 He hasn't taken the Blake Neff approved, just like shave that stuff off and buzz cut it and accept the power of the chrome dome.

00:31:14.000 So that might play into it.

00:31:16.000 But Andrew, you can go.

00:31:17.000 No, yeah.

00:31:18.000 So I guess Planet Fitness did a poll.

00:31:21.000 Previously, I found 78% of women feel men with the dad bods are confident in their own skin.

00:31:29.000 Dating.com did one where 75% of singles favor dad bods.

00:31:34.000 So they did some research on why.

00:31:35.000 And I call BS completely on their findings.

00:31:38.000 This is from New York Post in 2024.

00:31:40.000 Not even that old.

00:31:41.000 But it's saying fitness traits calling them affectionate, nurturant, friendly, and a good parent potential.

00:31:48.000 Ultra-macho men with big guns also tend to have high levels of testosterone, causing the opposite sex to perceive them as aggressive and unappealing, per a 2020 analysis.

00:32:00.000 What did they poll, like Brooklyn?

00:32:03.000 I mean, this is...

00:32:04.000 That wording also sounds...

00:32:05.000 It reminds me of how all those anecdotes where women are on hormonal birth control.

00:32:09.000 100%.

00:32:10.000 And they date and marry entirely while on hormonal birth control.

00:32:13.000 They go off it to have a kid and then suddenly realize their husband is not attractive.

00:32:17.000 Yep, that's right.

00:32:19.000 And...

00:32:19.000 Yeah, it's like, okay, yeah, they might want super soft guy if they're essentially permanently tricking their body to think it's pregnant.

00:32:25.000 All right.

00:32:26.000 Before we move to the next topic, though, I think we have to say, though, that women do this, too. 1.00

00:32:32.000 All right, women absolutely do this too because there's like the... 1.00

00:32:38.000 The women who dress the way they think other women want them to look versus the way that guys look. 0.90

00:32:44.000 And I'm just going to say it.

00:32:45.000 There's too much makeup these days.

00:32:47.000 There's way, way, way too much makeup.

00:32:50.000 And I get that this is like the Kardashianization of things, of culture.

00:32:54.000 And that's obviously they sell makeup.

00:32:57.000 Kylie Jenner sells the makeup.

00:32:58.000 What do they call it?

00:32:59.000 I can't even tell what it's called.

00:33:01.000 But it's the contouring.

00:33:02.000 They call it the contouring makeup.

00:33:03.000 Where it's literally to the point where...

00:33:06.000 When you see them with the makeup off, they have a completely different look.

00:33:11.000 And in many cases, by the way, the guys are like, wait a minute.

00:33:16.000 That's what you really look like.

00:33:17.000 You look better.

00:33:18.000 What are you doing all this for?

00:33:20.000 Who are you doing all this for?

00:33:21.000 They're not doing it for guys because guys like the look that is a little bit more natural, a little bit more just what you would look like on a regular day.

00:33:32.000 And so the idea that there's too much makeup out there, they're not doing it for guys.

00:33:37.000 They're doing it for other women. 0.97

00:33:39.000 That is true.

00:33:40.000 That is true.

00:33:42.000 So, we're having a debate in the chat.

00:33:45.000 We should probably bring the folks in on it.

00:33:47.000 This is Travis Kelsey is, like, the highlight of this article, and they're saying that he has a dad bod in this.

00:33:55.000 Okay, if Travis Kelsey has a dad bod, that's, like, meaningless.

00:33:59.000 He's a professional NFL player.

00:34:02.000 Travis Kelsey is obviously in immaculate shape.

00:34:05.000 Okay, you know who has a, like, when I think of a dad bod, I think of, like, Shane Gillis.

00:34:10.000 Yeah, like that.

00:34:11.000 Is that, like, fair?

00:34:12.000 That would be the approximation of what a dad would be.

00:34:15.000 Yeah, that's what I would think of.

00:34:17.000 Like jovially overweight.

00:34:20.000 Yeah, like mildly overweight, but not cartoonishly so.

00:34:25.000 Maybe has some vestigial dad strength, like he worked out in his 20s and kind of still has it.

00:34:32.000 That sort of thing.

00:34:34.000 That's what I would think of.

00:34:35.000 Yeah, it's almost like...

00:34:36.000 Once you're saying Travis Kelsey is dad bod, I think you're just trying to, like, invent a new fetish or something.

00:34:42.000 Like, okay.

00:34:43.000 Wow, my type is professional NFL players.

00:34:46.000 Wow, we're really delving new depths of understanding here.

00:34:51.000 But I don't know.

00:34:52.000 I just think there is something about that, like, going back to the very original thing.

00:34:59.000 Like, it is weird to get that way.

00:35:02.000 You almost wonder, like, is there a whole dimension?

00:35:04.000 Because these popular guys do this bodybuilding stuff now.

00:35:07.000 And, like, they do get very obsessed with, like, becoming cartoonishly strong or cartoonishly huge.

00:35:13.000 And some people get truly obsessed with this.

00:35:16.000 They start taking tons of semi-illegal substances or, like, really risky ones that can damage your heart, damage your gonads, damage all sorts of stuff, because they're obsessed with getting this particular look.

00:35:28.000 And it totally transcends whatever the original purpose was.

00:35:31.000 I mean, that's so dehydrous.

00:35:32.000 Look at that.

00:35:34.000 Look, why would a...

00:35:35.000 And by the way, these guys die super early of heart...

00:35:38.000 Is that Jay Cutler?

00:35:38.000 I can't remember.

00:35:39.000 Yeah, it's one of the guys.

00:35:40.000 They die super early of heart problems.

00:35:42.000 It's a documented thing.

00:35:44.000 Yeah, you end up kind of...

00:35:46.000 Actually, a good line that comes to mind is it's almost like they're male-to-male transsexuals. 1.00

00:35:54.000 They're turning themselves into almost like...

00:35:56.000 Parody look of a strong guy.

00:35:59.000 And it goes into this uncanny valley of feeling unnatural.

00:36:04.000 And often they don't have good functional strength.

00:36:05.000 The stuff you do to get that appearance is not the same thing you do to just be as strong as possible.

00:36:11.000 If you want a proof, go watch actual Olympic weightlifting and the guys just look like ogres or something.

00:36:17.000 They just have a giant barrel-shaped torso.

00:36:19.000 Because that's actually how you become as strong as possible.

00:36:21.000 Yeah, but that being said, I'll take one of these.

00:36:25.000 Guys over, like, the soylenial, you know, Gen Z type that just sits around and is, like, super pasty and all. 1.00

00:36:32.000 I mean, yeah, I get what you're saying, but, you know, you want to be a little closer to the, you know, Travis Kelsey than those types for sure.

00:36:44.000 But would you take the strangest looking of these guys over just, like...

00:36:49.000 Hugh Jackman in one of the more slightly female-friendly versions of him.

00:36:54.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:36:56.000 Absolutely.

00:36:57.000 And this is the schizophrenia of young women online.

00:36:59.000 They're like, well, looks don't matter, except I want someone that is at least like Travis Kelsey.

00:37:04.000 Yeah.

00:37:05.000 Yeah, you want someone 6 '7".

00:37:06.000 No, they claim that, and they should be, yeah, no, you should be lifting.

00:37:09.000 If you're out there, guys, you should be lifting.

00:37:10.000 You should absolutely be lifting.

00:37:13.000 How long ago was this picture?

00:37:15.000 Is this recent?

00:37:15.000 It was spring of 24, so about a year ago.

00:37:18.000 So it's like a year ago?

00:37:19.000 This is before she went.

00:37:21.000 Now, Taylor's got some extra weight there.

00:37:22.000 Is that from the tour?

00:37:24.000 What was that?

00:37:26.000 I don't know.

00:37:27.000 Maybe she just chubbed up a bit. 0.82

00:37:29.000 I don't relentlessly trash Taylor Swift weight gain and weight loss.

00:37:34.000 Taylor Swift...

00:37:35.000 I remember seeing the videos from the tour and Taylor's been chubby for a while now.

00:37:40.000 So I wasn't sure if it was just from being on tour or being on the road.

00:37:43.000 What?

00:37:44.000 It's true.

00:37:44.000 When she used to be a country singer, she wasn't chubby, but now she's chubby.

00:37:49.000 She wears all these revealing dresses and outfits, and it's very clear.

00:37:55.000 I think Taylor Swift is a very appropriate weight.

00:38:01.000 I don't know how you look at Taylor Swift and say she's chubby. 1.00

00:38:07.000 I'm telling you, she's gotten pretty chubby, especially on this tour.

00:38:12.000 On the Ares tour, she's chubbed up.

00:38:14.000 Listen, traveling's tough.

00:38:16.000 Traveling's tough.

00:38:17.000 You gotta get your sleep.

00:38:18.000 Trying to keep the weight off traveling?

00:38:19.000 You gotta get your sleep.

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00:39:40.000 All right.

00:39:40.000 What is the next topic?

00:39:42.000 Our next topic, we have a clip to set it up.

00:39:45.000 It's about a big breakthrough in Neuralink.

00:39:49.000 And we'll play it here in just a sec.

00:39:51.000 One final thought before we play it.

00:39:53.000 I have to admit, I do feel like just having that conversation made us all like 2% gayer. 0.84

00:39:59.000 Just 2%.

00:40:00.000 We have to titrate how often we get into that stuff.

00:40:03.000 Anyway, let's do clip 405. 0.66

00:40:06.000 Hi, I am Brad Smith.

00:40:08.000 I'm the third person in the world to receive the Neuralink brain implant.

00:40:11.000 I'm also the first person with ALS and the first nonverbal, which means that I rely on it for all communication.

00:40:18.000 I am making this video using the brain-computer interface to control the mouse on my MacBook Pro.

00:40:23.000 This is the first video edited with the Neuralink, and maybe the first edited with a BCI.

00:40:29.000 This is my old voice narrating this video, cloned by AI from recordings before I lost my voice.

00:40:37.000 I want to explain how Neuralink has impacted my life and give you an overview of how it works.

00:40:41.000 I have ALS, a really weird disease that kills the motor neurons that control my muscles.

00:40:48.000 But not affecting my mind.

00:40:51.000 My experience has been pretty interesting, starting with a shoulder injury that would not heal and ending up with my current status.

00:40:59.000 I cannot move anything but my eyes, and I am totally reliant on a ventilator to keep me alive and breathing.

00:41:06.000 My wife, Tiffany, is the best caregiver I could ever imagine.

00:41:11.000 She does everything for me, with only our kids and friends and family to help.

00:41:17.000 She is the key to making Neuralink work.

00:41:20.000 I will stop talking about her because she doesn't like the attention. 0.85

00:41:24.000 Before Neuralink, I had to use an eye gaze control computer for all communication.

00:41:28.000 It is a miracle of technology.

00:41:31.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:41:32.000 So, does it translate your thoughts into that?

00:41:34.000 Is that right?

00:41:35.000 So, it seems like you can use it to use...

00:41:38.000 He's got to be careful with that.

00:41:39.000 You can use it to move a mouse, I think, is one way you can do it.

00:41:43.000 Or, like, you can type with it.

00:41:46.000 I don't know.

00:41:47.000 This stuff blows my mind.

00:41:49.000 I cannot figure out how they would translate neural synapses in any way into moving a mouse in any direction.

00:41:57.000 It completely baffles me.

00:42:01.000 I remember when people would talk about the Neuralink stuff when it was first taking off a couple years ago.

00:42:07.000 People felt very ominous about it.

00:42:08.000 It's that transhumanism thing.

00:42:10.000 Those people who want to replace our bodies with machines and all of that.

00:42:15.000 The first places you are going to see it is with people like this who have debilitating injuries.

00:42:20.000 ALS is Lou Gehrig's disease.

00:42:22.000 I don't know if he maybe has it the way Stephen Hawking did, where maybe he's totally paralyzed, but he can live a long time after that.

00:42:28.000 But Stephen Hawking was able to communicate.

00:42:30.000 I think he could move a finger or something.

00:42:34.000 He could twitch.

00:42:36.000 He had some extremely limited movement, and he could use that over time to do things like type.

00:42:41.000 It was very labor-intensive, I believe.

00:42:45.000 This sounds like it's a lot more efficient than that.

00:42:48.000 And of course they have that bit where they can use an AI-generated voice.

00:42:51.000 Hawking didn't have that because he became sick decades ago.

00:42:54.000 All that sort of thing.

00:42:57.000 But it is interesting.

00:42:58.000 Do we still find this unsettling?

00:43:01.000 Because it seems like great progress.

00:43:02.000 Is there a dividing line between brain implants that you can get that are good and brain implants that are bad?

00:43:12.000 I mean, this is obviously objectively good, right?

00:43:15.000 I mean, there's no issue with this whatsoever.

00:43:18.000 I mean, this is a medical treatment for...

00:43:19.000 I mean, ALS is devastating.

00:43:21.000 I mean, if it goes to the place where it deteriorates your being, I mean, not so good, I suppose.

00:43:33.000 But, yeah, I mean, I don't have much deeper thought than that.

00:43:38.000 Then this is overall...

00:43:40.000 Promising.

00:43:41.000 Will it be able to eventually help paralyze people, be able to walk again?

00:43:47.000 What are the other applications?

00:43:51.000 Well, I think the idea, though, is there's ethical considerations when it comes to, okay, Neuralink.

00:43:59.000 Absolutely.

00:44:00.000 As amazing as this is, and amazing, I'm sure there's going to be more videos.

00:44:03.000 I mean, it's like when you see these videos of, you know, child sees for the first time, that kind of thing.

00:44:07.000 And it's just remarkable.

00:44:09.000 It's absolutely miraculous.

00:44:10.000 But the ethical considerations, I believe, come in when, let's say you have someone who is, number one, someone who's completely...

00:44:19.000 Healthy and then decides to undergo a procedure like this.

00:44:22.000 We certainly have a lot of elective surgeries and a lot of elective transformations that are going on.

00:44:26.000 And perhaps even the rise of people who say that we should all be doing this.

00:44:31.000 And I could easily see a movement take off like this.

00:44:35.000 Where it becomes this sort of transhumanism movement where they say we'd be better to live this way.

00:44:40.000 We're connected more.

00:44:42.000 It's creating a utopia.

00:44:44.000 It becomes almost a quasi-religion to undergo these types of treatments.

00:44:48.000 And then, which, you know, obviously beyond the current applications, we're talking, you know, like sci-fi style down the line.

00:44:54.000 And then also, of course, there's a...

00:44:57.000 Absolutely going to be ethical considerations to the questions of sort of, you know, where does the human mind stop and where does the computer begin?

00:45:05.000 I'm reading more about how they do it.

00:45:07.000 So the device they put in, it's about the size of five quarters in a stack.

00:45:12.000 And they put it in your skull.

00:45:15.000 apparently it basically can interface with your neurons and then they use machine learning which is the same way that they train the ai large language models and i guess they're able to use pattern recognition from when your neurons fire to sort of pattern match to what you're attempting to do over time and so you can basically train this into understanding what you want to do and I'm with Jack.

00:45:40.000 I think the part where you start to worry is, for example...

00:45:45.000 Let's say these are relatively safe and usable for other people.

00:45:48.000 What if jobs start to require that you have Neuralinks to do various things?

00:45:55.000 What if you are a perfectly healthy person and you're getting these purely to augment your abilities in some sphere?

00:46:03.000 What if you get a Neuralink but it requires a paid monthly subscription and if you stop paying the monthly subscription they will deactivate the Neuralink in your skull?

00:46:13.000 And they actually use robot surgeons because the surgery is impossible for a human to perform.

00:46:19.000 Wait, if we have...

00:46:21.000 Surgeries and the robots are better at those.

00:46:23.000 Shouldn't we just be using robots for all the surgeries? 0.93

00:46:25.000 We will and we should.

00:46:26.000 I've been saying that for a while.

00:46:27.000 Again, I go to these campuses and I'm like, you know surgery is going to be replaced.

00:46:29.000 No, they won't!

00:46:31.000 We're America so we'll probably have some annoying law that gets passed where you're required to have the surgeon push the on button on the robot and they'll get paid $500,000. 0.98

00:46:40.000 Do you know how many problems there are in surgery?

00:46:42.000 Human error in surgery is a major, major problem.

00:46:44.000 There's that Seinfeld episode where they leave the Thin Mint inside of them.

00:46:48.000 The Junior Mint.

00:46:50.000 Yeah, but that's real.

00:46:51.000 No, people...

00:46:52.000 That must happen.

00:46:54.000 People have been sued for leaving, like, gauze inside of people.

00:46:58.000 Yes, all the time.

00:46:58.000 I mean, they've amputated the wrong arm.

00:47:00.000 How about just infections?

00:47:02.000 Infections.

00:47:02.000 I mean, infections alone are a major problem, right?

00:47:06.000 So, without a doubt.

00:47:08.000 I mean, this is very promising, but I can see the transhumanism thing.

00:47:11.000 I don't like it.

00:47:12.000 Well, you could also see the getting hacked thing, right?

00:47:15.000 Like, anything that's technological could get hacked in theory, right?

00:47:19.000 So, you walk through a certain scanner, if you got this in your brain, maybe, you know, it kind of reminds me of that one movie, Leave the World Behind, where, you know, all the Teslas start, like, getting hacked and ramming, you know, into one another down a freeway.

00:47:34.000 It's like, you kind of wonder, anytime you bring technology into the human environment...

00:47:40.000 Could you get hacked and could it be used as a, maybe it's a national security issue if this thing becomes so popular or prominent?

00:47:47.000 So I have a lot of ethical concerns about this.

00:47:51.000 And, you know, the further we get away from just being organic humans, you know, the Gattaca world that people have theorized and fantasized about, scary, scary stuff.

00:48:04.000 I mean, when you think about how many neurodegenerative disorders there are, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, I mean, is it immoral to prevent treatments like this from being able to be administered, right?

00:48:17.000 I think it's a valid point.

00:48:19.000 Oh, now someone's reminding us.

00:48:22.000 No, go ahead.

00:48:23.000 Shane is reminding us that they had...

00:48:27.000 There was a Black Mirror episode where you had brain implanted advertisements that would play.

00:48:32.000 I never liked Black Mirror.

00:48:33.000 Yeah, see what I mean?

00:48:34.000 There's going to be all sorts of stuff like that.

00:48:36.000 So that's where I come in and I say, you know, you want to balance the good, right, that we're talking about, you know, helping people who have, you know, whatever disability or handicap that they may have undergone.

00:48:51.000 But at the same time, you want to balance that with the understanding that You know, Andrew, like you said, Gattaca is one of my favorite movies.

00:48:59.000 I think it's the most important movie I've ever watched in my life.

00:49:03.000 I once said that I'm never going to get married to someone who doesn't understand Gattaca completely.

00:49:08.000 And that's actually something that I brought up with Tanya once years ago.

00:49:12.000 And, you know, it's huge.

00:49:15.000 And unfortunately, that is the way that we're going to be going.

00:49:19.000 And by the way, you already have this with the rise of IVF.

00:49:24.000 And so with IVF plus genetic screening, this is already something that's happening where people know that through abortion, there's already been a massive, massive purging of any child with Down syndrome.

00:49:36.000 Well, now with the rise of IVF, what are people doing?

00:49:39.000 They're going for the designer babies already.

00:49:41.000 They're saying, oh, you know, I want my, you know, I want a girl or I want a boy and I want this eye color, that hair color, this and that and the other thing.

00:49:48.000 And other people are now talking about screening for intelligence or screening for personality types.

00:49:54.000 I think they're called an ICSI test.

00:49:56.000 And there's all sorts of different screenings that you can do genetically, and I think And I'll just say it potentially as.

00:50:17.000 Those of us who comment on politics, should there be some type of framework in place for conducting all of this stuff?

00:50:25.000 Because right now, it's just the complete Wild West.

00:50:27.000 That is true.

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00:51:35.000 Last topic.

00:51:35.000 Our last one is closely related to this, but maybe a bit funnier.

00:51:40.000 So this is how AIs are going to hack us, not with computer technology, but with social technology.

00:51:47.000 So, I'm just going to read through this thread.

00:51:49.000 It was posted on X by the user RedditLies, which is a great follow.

00:51:54.000 You should give it a look.

00:51:56.000 Really good.

00:51:56.000 So this is...

00:51:58.000 The University of Zurich has been using AI bots to secretly manipulate Reddit users since November 2024.

00:52:04.000 The scariest part, I'm just going to read through it.

00:52:06.000 The bots were six times more likely to change the minds of Redditors than the baseline user, often by leveraging misinformation.

00:52:13.000 So I'll just go through this thread here.

00:52:15.000 So there's a paper, it's titled Can AI Change Your Views?

00:52:18.000 It details the exact process the University of Zurich researchers used to put the AI and have it interact on Reddit.

00:52:26.000 This was all done in secret.

00:52:28.000 They didn't tell users of the site, and they didn't tell moderators.

00:52:31.000 And so what they were doing was they...

00:52:36.000 Let's see.

00:52:38.000 Basically, before replying to anyone in...

00:52:41.000 They went to the, I think, the ChangeMyView subreddit, which is a place where people try to change their views.

00:52:46.000 It's kind of like ProveMeWong on Reddit.

00:52:48.000 And they would unleash these bots on there to respond to people.

00:52:52.000 And first, before replying to anyone, the bot would just stalk every post that the person had ever made to try to figure out their beliefs, their various biases, their background, and all of that.

00:53:04.000 And then it would use this and the AI bot to craft responses to them that would be perfectly calibrated.

00:53:10.000 And then they would use common progressive misinformation in their arguments, it notes.

00:53:16.000 Bots would claim things like the pro-life movement is about punishing sex rather than about protecting human life.

00:53:22.000 They would demonize Elon Musk and tell lies about Tesla. 0.99

00:53:26.000 And they would do things.

00:53:27.000 They would claim abortion rates are already low.

00:53:29.000 I guess they were in a lot of abortion threats.

00:53:30.000 A lot of those on Change My View.

00:53:32.000 They would say that Christianity preaches violence against LGBT people.

00:53:35.000 They would say Industrial Revolution has only increased inequality.

00:53:39.000 And they would say society has outgrown Christianity.

00:53:43.000 They would also hallucinate facts about themselves to strengthen their arguments.

00:53:47.000 So the bots would do things like they would claim to be a hard-working city government employee.

00:53:52.000 That's how we know it's hallucinated.

00:53:54.000 They would claim to be a white woman working in an almost all-black office. 1.00

00:53:58.000 And they once... 0.97

00:53:59.000 Hallucinated the claim that they were a rape victim in the past.

00:54:04.000 And so they would do all of this.

00:54:08.000 And if I understand correctly, when it says hallucinated, because I read through this thread earlier, it was basically going and making these Reddit posts and it was lying to users about experiences that had potentially happened.

00:54:24.000 Like, making up a rape case, or there was one that was, I'm a white woman in an all-black office or something, and it was using these stories to get the Reddit users that it was targeting to then shift their beliefs based on whatever the story, you know, whatever message the story was put.

00:54:40.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:54:41.000 That's the thing about it.

00:54:42.000 And it wasn't prompted with this, like, convince this person to take this view by telling them this story.

00:54:48.000 It was just...

00:54:49.000 Try to get this person to change their view.

00:54:51.000 And to do it, it would invent a persona for itself, invent a fake background.

00:54:55.000 And as it concludes here, compared to the baseline, it was pretty good at getting people to self-report changing their views.

00:55:04.000 And it says, so the kind of three takeaways are, one, AI bots are difficult to detect because part of this is people were not reading this and going, oh, this is obviously a bot.

00:55:13.000 Second, the AIs will just...

00:55:16.000 Tell complete lies to try to win arguments.

00:55:19.000 And three, these lies can be incredibly persuasive specifically to Redditors which is not surprising because all of these bots are substantially trained on Reddit because they need so much text.

00:55:31.000 The way large language models work for those who don't know is they just... 1.00

00:55:35.000 Feed tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and billions and billions of words, trillions of words of text into them to find patterns.

00:55:44.000 And that's how they work.

00:55:45.000 Every time you're talking with them, it's using a model that basically is predicting what would be the next letter or word I should use that would make sense in context.

00:55:55.000 And it's a giant pattern matching machine.

00:55:57.000 So you feed it things like Reddit so it can develop patterns.

00:56:01.000 And the incredible side effect of this is if AI is hard to detect, good at lying, and good at, like, tricking people, you can get into what is called dead internet theory.

00:56:11.000 Have you heard of this, Charlie?

00:56:12.000 That there really is no human beings, right?

00:56:14.000 So, basically, it is that, yeah, that in the future, or possibly already, it's a conspiracy theory of sorts, it's that a huge share of the stuff you see on the internet will just be bots, like, or bots talking to other bots.

00:56:28.000 And the number of actual human beings...

00:56:30.000 That you are interacting with is extremely tiny.

00:56:33.000 It will just be bots everywhere.

00:56:34.000 Like, you'll go to the gardening subreddit and it will just be a bunch of bots unleashed to talk about gardening, talking to each other, and they can be sharing AI-generated images and so on.

00:56:44.000 And the number of actual humans who are just real human beings doing their stuff will be far lower.

00:56:50.000 I don't think this is true yet, but I think it will be a lot more true in the future.

00:56:54.000 You can see the early signs of it on Facebook, for example.

00:56:57.000 Well, and YouTube as well.

00:56:59.000 We talked about this, I think, last week or a couple weeks ago about how, remember we were talking about how there's these communities that make up, like, fake AI.

00:57:07.000 Remember, Blake, it's like a fake AI universe and, like, an alt universe that's going on where it's just this slop content.

00:57:14.000 That never actually existed, and it's like all going viral.

00:57:17.000 Well, I was trying to look up something on YouTube.

00:57:21.000 I just went to YouTube, and I wanted to look up, because I was at the press conference with Caroline Levitt, and so I was trying to look up the actual video of it.

00:57:28.000 So I type in her name, Caroline Levitt, and I wanted to get the clip to pull.

00:57:33.000 And YouTube, in the algorithm, feeds me Caroline Levitt, Jimmy Kimmel.

00:57:38.000 And it auto-completed it as that.

00:57:40.000 And I said...

00:57:40.000 Wait, Caroline was on with Jimmy Kimmel?

00:57:42.000 Like, I feel like I would have remembered that.

00:57:44.000 Like, when did that happen?

00:57:45.000 Was this, like, some old thing?

00:57:46.000 So I click on it to see what populates, and sure enough, what comes up is Caroline Levitt gets thrown off the Jimmy Kimmel show after Fiery Clash. 0.96

00:57:56.000 Well, as it turns out, this thing is completely made up by AI, but because so many people are sharing it, the YouTube algorithm was then feeding it to me even when I typed her name in for an event that never actually happened.

00:58:11.000 I mean, another one that's wild, for example, actually, this came up just while I was searching.

00:58:16.000 I was like, we're going to talk about hippos probably after the gorillas, so I was like, let's go find some clips of...

00:58:22.000 Of Taylor Swift.

00:58:25.000 Of hippo attacks.

00:58:27.000 And I got a clip and it was like, man tries to feed hippo and instantly regrets it.

00:58:34.000 And I didn't go deep into it, but I'm pretty sure the video was essentially voiced by AI.

00:58:39.000 It was cobbled together.

00:58:41.000 Some real clips, but I think some of them...

00:58:44.000 The thumbnail was definitely AI.

00:58:46.000 I'm now looking at the front page and it's got like...

00:58:50.000 You guys will get a kick out of this.

00:58:52.000 It's got an AI-generated image of a killer humpback whale jumping onto the beach to devour a fat woman.

00:58:58.000 That was definitely created with AI.

00:59:00.000 And this thing has 500,000 subscribers on YouTube.

00:59:05.000 And it's getting hundreds of thousands or millions of views on a lot of these posts.

00:59:11.000 And you find this more and more.

00:59:13.000 I read a lot of history.

00:59:14.000 I listen to a lot of history videos on YouTube.

00:59:15.000 Like, oh, I'll go learn about the Roman Empire, which I'm always thinking of.

00:59:19.000 And there will be real channels that I like, and I'll constantly be getting these recommendations that they'll have tons of views, they'll have tons of followers, and if I click on it, I just realize this is an AI voice with AI content.

00:59:31.000 It's really superficial.

00:59:33.000 It's not good.

00:59:34.000 Totally.

00:59:34.000 And they get tons of views.

00:59:35.000 And there's hugely powerful.

00:59:36.000 People love AI slop.

00:59:37.000 They love that stuff.

00:59:39.000 Unless those are just bots.

00:59:41.000 Unless those are just bots.

00:59:42.000 Maybe this is dead internet theory already, like bots following other bots.

00:59:47.000 I, uh, I used you and you can do this by the way with, um, so, oh, by the way, you can use this with already existing people.

00:59:54.000 So I did when I was doing my last audio book, I did a chapter of it.

00:59:58.000 I've still never revealed this one.

01:00:00.000 I actually recorded a chapter using an AI generated voice of myself just to see how it sounded.

01:00:07.000 I inserted it in the audio book and nobody who has listened to this has ever been able to tell me which one is.

01:00:15.000 Actually, the AI one.

01:00:16.000 So we're going to get to the point pretty soon where, Charlie, you're not even going to have to do the campus tours anymore because we'll just have AI Charlie Kirk owns leftist student and, you know, you could just be sitting there clicking a button.

01:00:28.000 That is true, but I think I will say, though, that just because technology can do it better than humans doesn't mean people won't desire humans.

01:00:34.000 I mean, we could drive in cars, which are faster than watching people run, but we still have football and basketball.

01:00:40.000 I mean, there is something about raw human excellence that will attract humanity more than just machines.

01:00:45.000 All right, guys.

01:00:46.000 Keep on committing thought crimes.

01:00:48.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:00:50.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:00:52.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 03, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 82 — 100 Men vs. A Gorilla? Dad Bod or Gay Bod? AI vs. Redditors?

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