The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 83 — The Doll Debate? Black Women Statues?

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00:00:02.000 We talk about black womanism, new statues that are being brought up.

00:00:06.000 Are you going to have to live with less dolls and more?

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00:01:16.000 Welcome.

00:01:17.000 It is Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:18.000 We have Blake, Tyler, and we have Jack live from Rome.

00:01:23.000 It is conclave week or month or season or decade.

00:01:29.000 Yeah.

00:01:30.000 Is it Thought Crime Friday for Jack now?

00:01:32.000 It could be.

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00:01:34.000 We're going to have a debate about dolls, Charlie.

00:01:37.000 So this is all in response to a thing that happened last week, and I thought it would be fruitful for discussion.

00:01:43.000 So this was obviously with Trump's tariffs.

00:01:45.000 People are talking, will prices go up on things?

00:01:47.000 Will manufacturing move back here?

00:01:49.000 And they asked Trump about this, and he had some interesting comments.

00:01:51.000 So we have two Trump clips that we're going to play real quickly to set it up.

00:01:55.000 So this was, I think, Trump in the Oval Office initially or somewhere.

00:01:59.000 Let's play clip 343.

00:02:01.000 Look, right now, and I told you before, they're having tremendous difficulty because their factories are...

00:02:07.000 Not doing business.

00:02:09.000 They made a trillion dollars with Biden, a trillion dollars, even a trillion one with Biden selling us stuff.

00:02:18.000 Much of it we don't need.

00:02:19.000 You know, somebody said, "Oh, the shelves are going to be open." Well, maybe the children will have two dollars instead of 30 dollars, you know?

00:02:26.000 And maybe the two dollars will cost a couple of bucks more than they would normally, but...

00:02:30.000 And then they asked him more about this a short time later, I think, on Air Force One.

00:02:35.000 And so he said some more.

00:02:36.000 So let's do clip 344. 0.97

00:02:39.000 All I'm saying is that a young lady, 10-year-old girl, 9-year-old girl, 15-year-old girl doesn't need $37.

00:02:51.000 She could be very happy with two or three or four or five.

00:02:56.000 Let's not waste a lot of time.

00:02:57.000 What else?

00:03:00.000 Okay, the audio quality was really poor there.

00:03:02.000 He was saying, these girls, an 8-year-old girl, a 9-year-old girl, a 15-year-old girl, they don't need 37 dolls, which is already pretty funny.

00:03:09.000 Do 15-year-old girls still play with dolls? 1.00

00:03:11.000 I don't know, but I can tell you that my daughter really likes dolls. 0.85

00:03:13.000 Does she have 30 dolls? 0.98

00:03:15.000 Not that many.

00:03:16.000 No comment?

00:03:17.000 More than 10, less than 20. Would you agree, Tyler, that young girls, young daughters really like dolls?

00:03:23.000 One is not sufficient.

00:03:26.000 No, my kids' beds, they've got stuffed animals and dolls that, like, come in.

00:03:32.000 Legion.

00:03:32.000 You have to, like...

00:03:34.000 Through them to get to them.

00:03:35.000 100%.

00:03:35.000 So when little girls play house, if they have that many dolls, do they still play house with, like, four people?

00:03:40.000 Or are they having, like, giant soirees?

00:03:43.000 No, no.

00:03:43.000 We have Mormon house.

00:03:45.000 Ooh.

00:03:46.000 All right.

00:03:46.000 So it's, like, 20 people around.

00:03:48.000 It's, like, old Catholic house.

00:03:50.000 Okay.

00:03:50.000 And she plays house.

00:03:51.000 All right.

00:03:52.000 So I wanted us to talk about that because I thought it was interesting.

00:03:55.000 This is a topic, like, Tucker Carlson will talk about a lot, that it's, like, due to globalization, due to, like... 0.73

00:04:02.000 Outsourcing, a kind of side effect people will attack is sort of the profusion of what people say is like Chinese slop or Chinese junk is often what they'll say.

00:04:12.000 That you can go to Walmart and you can get tons of stuff really cheap, but you are just piling up tons of stuff.

00:04:19.000 And I think Trump is getting at that with his response, which is we're trying to move manufacturing back in America.

00:04:26.000 And yeah, maybe you'll have a lot less stuff as a result because it will be more expensive.

00:04:32.000 And I thought it'd be interesting for us to discuss because is that, one, are we actually correct that that's what we want?

00:04:39.000 And two, are people going to be on board with it?

00:04:41.000 Maybe people are just going to be really mad if they can't have 30 dolls anymore.

00:04:44.000 I think people are going to be very mad about it.

00:04:45.000 I mean, look, we're very blessed in our family.

00:04:47.000 We can afford as many dolls as possible.

00:04:50.000 Jon Stewart is very mad.

00:04:51.000 F you for telling the American people, why doesn't he ever say you don't need $350?

00:04:56.000 Maybe you just need $10.

00:04:57.000 He gets very, very mad about it.

00:04:59.000 And so what I think...

00:05:01.000 Trump is making a bigger argument, though, is that would you rather have a quality-made product?

00:05:08.000 I will say this, though.

00:05:09.000 In Trump's favor, and I wish Andrew was on here and Tyler would agree, the Chinese dolls that just happened to appear in my home that I did not order, people gave them to us or we just order on Amazon, these things fall apart.

00:05:23.000 I mean, they do not last.

00:05:25.000 I mean, there is a remarkable difference.

00:05:29.000 When we buy, like, a higher quality Western-made toy that's, like, from a place that actually cares, I mean, the Dolph made in China might make... 0.87

00:05:39.000 I see Jack on his computer.

00:05:41.000 Jack has sons.

00:05:42.000 Jack has no idea what we're talking about.

00:05:43.000 I really don't, to tell you the truth.

00:05:48.000 Toys in general, sure.

00:05:50.000 But dolls, I'm like, eh.

00:05:53.000 I will actually go out of my way to buy a more expensive toy that I think kids will like.

00:06:02.000 It drives me crazy for birthdays and stuff like that when people will gift Like, just, like, the cheap whatever all the time.

00:06:11.000 Or, like, our girls will go hang out with grandma and grandpa, and they'll get something every time they go out somewhere.

00:06:17.000 And it's something cheap.

00:06:18.000 It's probably from China.

00:06:20.000 And they fall, like you just said, they fall apart.

00:06:23.000 Their hair pulls out.

00:06:24.000 They look just a little bit off.

00:06:27.000 They're not nice.

00:06:28.000 They're not special, right?

00:06:30.000 And they, like, replace them literally every other day.

00:06:32.000 And so Trump's point is kind of right, where it's like, you don't need...

00:06:36.000 500 Chinese dolls.

00:06:37.000 You need, you know, maybe five.

00:06:40.000 People are hung up on the numbers, but, like, have fewer nicer toys instead of the junk that they're sending over and, you know, they're just shoving in our kids' faces.

00:06:50.000 And have you seen some of these, like, Bratz dolls and, like, these other things?

00:06:53.000 I think we've talked about it before on the show.

00:06:54.000 Like, these things are, like, wretched-looking things.

00:06:57.000 They actually are scary.

00:06:58.000 Like, the other day, like... 0.99

00:07:01.000 My little girl had one of those stupid Bratz dolls, or I can't remember what's the other one called, but I picked it up, I was like, oh my, what is wrong with that thing? 0.99

00:07:10.000 That thing is scary. 0.99

00:07:11.000 Have you seen these things?

00:07:12.000 I totally agree.

00:07:13.000 These Bratz dolls?

00:07:13.000 I'm not a fan.

00:07:14.000 They're hideous.

00:07:16.000 Oh, LOL dolls. 0.90

00:07:17.000 Oh yeah, LOL dolls are heinous. 1.00

00:07:20.000 They should be criminalized.

00:07:23.000 I'm going to go further than Trump.

00:07:25.000 Forget it.

00:07:26.000 Forget two dolls. 0.97

00:07:27.000 You should have zero LOL dolls. 1.00

00:07:29.000 Those things are heinous, hideous.

00:07:31.000 I will say, though, that outside of dolls, and I don't know.

00:07:35.000 Actually, my son's not old enough.

00:07:36.000 You have to be in this phase.

00:07:37.000 Stuffed animals are a huge part of human development.

00:07:40.000 Jack, do young boys like stuffed animals as well?

00:07:43.000 My son's only a year, so he's not quite there yet.

00:07:47.000 So, Jack, are stuffed animals big for young boys, too?

00:07:50.000 I think Jack is frozen.

00:07:52.000 Look at these things.

00:07:53.000 Look at these LOL dolls. 1.00

00:07:54.000 That Angela was talking about.

00:07:56.000 These things are heinous.

00:07:57.000 Oh my gosh.

00:07:59.000 This is what Trump's talking about.

00:08:01.000 No more of those.

00:08:02.000 We should deport these things.

00:08:03.000 We need to deport LOL dolls. 1.00

00:08:06.000 Yeah, I am worried the overall mentality could backfire.

00:08:09.000 Because I do think people tend to own too much stuff.

00:08:12.000 But I do think that's just...

00:08:13.000 I don't really blame China for it.

00:08:14.000 I think that's just a values thing.

00:08:16.000 Like, people amass too much stuff.

00:08:20.000 And...

00:08:20.000 Yeah, people pile up a lot of stuff.

00:08:23.000 And I think people...

00:08:24.000 It's especially interesting to see this go because I think there's been, on the right, a lot of negative reaction when the left has said similar things.

00:08:32.000 I mean, if you want one we've heard before, you've heard people on the left say, like, who needs to own that many guns?

00:08:38.000 Yes, correct.

00:08:38.000 And they'll say that.

00:08:39.000 Or you could easily say, like, you could imagine them saying, like, nobody actually needs to own two cars.

00:08:45.000 Correct.

00:08:45.000 I can think of a lot of reasons someone would want to own two cars and so on.

00:08:48.000 Like, in the end, the entire idea of modernity is, overall, it is...

00:08:54.000 It is good to make more stuff.

00:08:55.000 It is good to be more productive.

00:08:57.000 It is good to have more energy.

00:08:59.000 It's better to have excess than deficit.

00:09:01.000 Yeah, and there can be a problem of excess, but we have obesity now.

00:09:07.000 But I think we could agree it would be bad if Trump was going around saying, look, maybe you'll only have 1,400 calories a day.

00:09:15.000 You might have to slim down a little bit.

00:09:17.000 That would be bad.

00:09:19.000 We would be starving.

00:09:20.000 Would not be good.

00:09:24.000 So how do you think the politics of this plays out, Tyler?

00:09:27.000 Yeah, I think this is going to be the attack that we're going to see over and over with Trump.

00:09:32.000 It's just like everything that they can possibly find that's going to upset, you know, especially moms.

00:09:39.000 I think the entire vector here when I was looking at this was everything that they're going to do is they're just going to try to go deeper on female turnout in the 2026 election.

00:09:51.000 And beyond that, quite frankly, because they're seeing the trends.

00:09:55.000 They know what's up.

00:09:56.000 We won because the things that upset men got more men to turn out, and we won because of that and the influence that men have in those households.

00:10:05.000 They're going to try to go on the white female with a college degree, what upsets them the most. 1.00

00:10:13.000 And ding, ding, ding, it's take toys away from my children because we know millennials. 1.00

00:10:20.000 We'll give their children anything because, you know, they felt like they were withheld from the baby boomers that were their parents.

00:10:29.000 So this is the problem that we're going to have over and over.

00:10:33.000 We've got to figure out the talking points against it and, I think, come out hard against it and be like, no, that's not true.

00:10:39.000 Here's what is going to happen because of Trump policy X, Y, and Z, and be ready to combat this.

00:10:48.000 This female vector is a real problem for us heading into 2026. 1.00

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00:11:38.000 Okay, let's go to the next topic here, which kind of ties a little bit into it, right?

00:11:42.000 Of which we, you know, dolls to statues.

00:11:45.000 Is that right?

00:11:46.000 Dolls to statues.

00:11:47.000 I have to be honest with you guys.

00:11:50.000 Blake was sending this stuff this morning.

00:11:52.000 And this is a very real good, this is a good learning lesson.

00:11:56.000 I thought it was AI.

00:11:58.000 Because look, first of all, I'm distracted.

00:12:00.000 I'm watching CBS Conclave coverage.

00:12:02.000 Very mesmerized by it, by the way.

00:12:04.000 They're talking about raw dogging.

00:12:05.000 They're actually talking about election integrity.

00:12:07.000 CBS did an entire segment on what they eat in the Conclave, which, by the way, is pasta with just butter and a little bit of Parmesan cheese, and that's all they feed them.

00:12:15.000 No variety.

00:12:17.000 And no ravioli, because they say that they could have little messages put in the ravioli.

00:12:21.000 I'm not going to do a whole segment on that.

00:12:22.000 And then Blake is sending us these pictures of these, like, overweight black women statues, and I'm like, okay, this is obviously AI slop. 0.93

00:12:31.000 This is some boomer thing to get boomers mad. 0.67

00:12:34.000 But turns out I was wrong.

00:12:36.000 I got fooled by reality.

00:12:37.000 Blake, what's going on here?

00:12:38.000 Alright, so the specific story that went on today is that there is a new statue that has gone up in Times Square.

00:12:45.000 They found a way to make Times Square even tackier than before.

00:12:49.000 And so they have put up a 12 foot tall bronze statue.

00:12:53.000 It is called Grounded in the Stars.

00:12:56.000 Let's see.

00:12:56.000 The actual line from the people who put it up.

00:13:00.000 The Times Square Arts Group says, Now, first of all, it is true.

00:13:26.000 There are statues of white guys in Duffy Square.

00:13:28.000 I believe Duffy himself is a priest who was a chaplain in World War I and was a quite heroic figure, and that is why they decided to build a statue to them.

00:13:39.000 Generally, you build statues to public heroes that you want to honor or remember, but we skipped just past that, and we just kind of made a statue of a glowering, angry woman at the DMV.

00:13:53.000 And what's funny about it is, as you said, there's a lot of these out there.

00:13:58.000 They've put a lot of these statues up, and they're very often of this specific format of an angry person just kind of glaring at you.

00:14:08.000 There's one in Rotterdam in the Netherlands that's just, again, kind of like a...

00:14:14.000 This black woman with a sullen expression on her face. 1.00

00:14:17.000 There's one in Southern Britain where it's like a woman on her phone.

00:14:21.000 There's a couple of people just on their phones.

00:14:23.000 And some of them are just actually really crazy looking.

00:14:27.000 There's one that's like a giant...

00:14:29.000 It's like the Sphinx that you'd see in Egypt.

00:14:32.000 Where is this one?

00:14:33.000 That one was put up in Rockefeller Center for a while.

00:14:35.000 Come on.

00:14:36.000 There's that Sphinx.

00:14:37.000 It's the Sphinx, except it kind of has a stereotypical...

00:14:44.000 Mammy look, like that old kind of slave caricature that they would have. 0.84

00:14:48.000 And they put it on a sphinx.

00:14:49.000 Like the color purple look?

00:14:50.000 And if you see the whole thing, it also has very sexualized features. 0.96

00:14:52.000 It has this big booty in the back. 0.93

00:14:55.000 And this is a piece of art that they said was empowering for black people.

00:15:00.000 I look at that and I would think, if a... 0.76

00:15:04.000 White supremacist had created this statue. 0.85

00:15:07.000 It would be totally good.

00:15:08.000 If David Duke was in charge.

00:15:10.000 Yeah, like this is a super, like this is an outrageously offensive statue that like cashes in on all of these.

00:15:17.000 Gross stereotypes and caricatures.

00:15:19.000 Except, no, we put it up and we called it Progress.

00:15:22.000 And there was a similar one that they showed up there.

00:15:23.000 And it's like the statue of Zeus at Olympia.

00:15:26.000 It's called Oracle.

00:15:27.000 They put this up in the Rockefeller Center, I believe, temporarily.

00:15:30.000 I don't think it's there anymore.

00:15:31.000 And it's like a Greek statue, except it has this gigantic kind of African statue-style head on top of it. 0.96

00:15:38.000 And it's the same deal.

00:15:40.000 That's a valid art form, but they deliberately do do it in ways that make you...

00:15:46.000 Raise one eyebrow or the other eyebrow or both eyebrows.

00:15:50.000 And a very funny response.

00:15:52.000 I think it was Matt.

00:15:53.000 Did Matt Walsh tweet this?

00:15:55.000 Matt's been great.

00:15:55.000 He said they put these up because, like, the left can't have any actual heroes because everything before 2005 is suspect.

00:16:03.000 I mean, we ripped down Abraham Lincoln statues because he was racist, apparently.

00:16:08.000 In fact, when you were in...

00:16:10.000 We were in Boston the other time, and there was that...

00:16:15.000 There was an empty pedestal near where we were staying, and it was because that's where the Lincoln Emancipation Statue was, and they took it down, and you can see...

00:16:23.000 Because Lincoln is racist, right? 0.88

00:16:24.000 Yeah, it looks like it's a freaking grave as a result, because there's no statue on top of it. 0.97

00:16:28.000 So they don't have any heroes.

00:16:29.000 No one's okay, so you just have to put up statues of kind of angry people glaring at you, because that is liberal art.

00:16:37.000 Let's talk more about...

00:16:38.000 That's my favorite part.

00:16:39.000 Yeah, go ahead, Tyler, your thoughts, and then I want to go a little deeper, because there is something important.

00:16:43.000 I was going to say that was my favorite part.

00:16:45.000 It was like her hands are on her hips and she's like looking down on everyone.

00:16:49.000 You know, that's the interesting pic.

00:16:53.000 She's like in a t-shirt, hands on her hips. 0.78

00:16:56.000 This is not like, you know, you would think that if we were celebrating Black culture, you would have statues erected.

00:17:05.000 I mean, this is not cheap.

00:17:06.000 I mean, we've looked into some of this before, Charlie, like on Turning Point's campus.

00:17:12.000 Casting a bronze statue of that size is a pretty expensive endeavor today, you know, with post-Biden inflation and everything else.

00:17:20.000 This is not...

00:17:22.000 Why wouldn't you pick somebody with any kind of historical significance to celebrate?

00:17:27.000 Like, it could be anybody.

00:17:28.000 Like, somebody that is meaningful.

00:17:31.000 You know, they actually went, like, kind of the cheapest route.

00:17:34.000 And I just don't get it.

00:17:36.000 I don't think there's anyone that has any kind of common sense that looks at this and goes...

00:17:41.000 Wow, that's beautiful.

00:17:42.000 Or, wow, I'm really proud of that.

00:17:44.000 Or, that makes me celebrate my culture, even.

00:17:46.000 It's a crazy, almost bigoted thing that they're doing to try to incite this race division that should be totally rejected.

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00:19:03.000 So there's almost like a mythical element to black women on the left. 1.00

00:19:08.000 It is a very specific thing.

00:19:10.000 And I want to dive in because the statues are one thing, but I think we must really, and by the way, this is not like just us saying this on our show.

00:19:19.000 The base of the Democrat Party has said this, that we must lift up black women, that black women must be at the forefront, that basically in progressive folklore or storytelling, black women are portrayed as like the truth-tellers and the caretakers of democracy.

00:19:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:36.000 Right?

00:19:37.000 Black women, if they're not black trans women, because I think Elizabeth Warren said they were the bedrock of our democracy. 1.00

00:19:43.000 That's right, correct.

00:19:44.000 That's right, Stacey Abrams was like the face of... 1.00

00:19:47.000 Of all of that.

00:19:48.000 That's what they really leaned into that for that reason during that time.

00:19:52.000 But it is the inversion of what they consider to be white supremacy.

00:19:56.000 So what is the group that is at the opposite of a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant man?

00:20:00.000 Which we are.

00:20:01.000 Well, not Protestant, but you're Catholic, but whatever. 0.98

00:20:03.000 Is black women. 1.00

00:20:05.000 And so the elevation of black womanism is this.

00:20:09.000 Exactly.

00:20:10.000 And I sent a clip in the chat that I want them to load up here.

00:20:16.000 And not only that, but black women on the left expect to be worshipped as much as they are worshipped. 1.00

00:20:23.000 And that's what's so important. 0.64

00:20:24.000 It's not just that they get worshipped on the left and black womanism is the faith of the radical left. 0.86

00:20:31.000 Basically, black women are the clerics of the religion of American leftism. 1.00

00:20:37.000 Let's play cut 358 of she wants to be the pope of... 0.98

00:20:44.000 American leftism.

00:20:45.000 Playcut 358.

00:20:47.000 This is a PSA.

00:20:48.000 Yes, a public service announcement.

00:20:51.000 Fix your algorithm.

00:20:53.000 Yes, you.

00:20:54.000 Fix it. 0.98

00:20:55.000 If you're seeing this message, I need you to follow a black woman creator. 0.99

00:21:03.000 Ask yourself, how many black women creators are you following? 1.00

00:21:07.000 How many do you genuinely support?

00:21:10.000 How many are you promoting?

00:21:13.000 If the answer isn't all of them, I need you to fix your algorithm.

00:21:19.000 Yes, fix it right now.

00:21:21.000 Because you have to ask yourself, who has comedic timing like Jessica Simone? 0.99

00:21:26.000 Who has the best sayings like Raptured Wren?

00:21:29.000 Who drops all of the knowledge like Kobe, aka Athena?

00:21:34.000 Alright, who beats them down?

00:21:37.000 Who eats down like Tashika? 0.99

00:21:40.000 Who?

00:21:41.000 Who?

00:21:43.000 That's right.

00:21:44.000 There's none other.

00:21:45.000 There's no one that does it better.

00:21:46.000 Who brings the fun in the laughs?

00:21:49.000 Self promo.

00:21:49.000 It's me.

00:21:50.000 It's me.

00:21:51.000 Alright?

00:21:52.000 Well, being, you know, informative.

00:21:53.000 It's me.

00:21:54.000 It's me.

00:21:54.000 Alright?

00:21:55.000 So, follow a black woman creator today. 1.00

00:21:59.000 Do it now.

00:22:00.000 Tell us, what black women creators are you following? 1.00

00:22:05.000 Let us know in the comments.

00:22:06.000 And fix your algorithm.

00:22:08.000 Okay, bye.

00:22:09.000 There's a...

00:22:10.000 I'm looking now because I just thought there's a...

00:22:13.000 There's a podcast called...

00:22:17.000 Literally, that's just called Listen to Black Women. 1.00

00:22:20.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:22:20.000 It's a real thing on the left.

00:22:22.000 This is not just us being, you know, politically provocative.

00:22:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:25.000 This is a very real thing.

00:22:26.000 It really is kind of like...

00:22:28.000 It's like, you know, they're the core.

00:22:30.000 Black women lead where America follows. 1.00

00:22:34.000 Like, it really is...

00:22:35.000 And it is focused specifically on women especially, too.

00:22:38.000 It's not even... 0.69

00:22:39.000 Like, black people generally, black men. 0.80

00:22:41.000 It is this black women thing. 1.00

00:22:43.000 If it's not specifically black trans women, you will sometimes hear that specific subset.

00:22:49.000 I don't know how they got that one.

00:22:51.000 That was like a very peak 2019-2020 episode.

00:22:55.000 Was it Elizabeth Warren who said that?

00:22:57.000 It was like...

00:22:59.000 They said that they were like the bedrock of our democracy.

00:23:02.000 I know Warren said she was going to read the names of every black trans woman murdered in America in the Rose Garden every year if she became president.

00:23:09.000 That would have been quite the ceremony, I suppose.

00:23:16.000 I want to get Tyler in on this, but politically, Tyler, what are they thinking?

00:23:21.000 Black women are 6% of the American population-ish, 6-7%. 1.00

00:23:27.000 Why the pandering to 7% of the population?

00:23:30.000 Well, I think, I mean, you hit the nail on the head.

00:23:32.000 This is just the antithesis of the white man.

00:23:35.000 So whatever the left wants to construct everything in complete opposition to whatever they hate or they want to target and whatever.

00:23:45.000 So you just, you hit it.

00:23:47.000 You have white men who are, and I wouldn't be surprised if they go older because it's a young white man now they hate. 0.98

00:23:55.000 Old Black women are the complete opposite. 1.00

00:23:58.000 And that's how they have to run all of their political identity through. 0.97

00:24:04.000 And they've done this now to us for a significant amount of time.

00:24:07.000 I think this is the first time we're seeing people push back and go, no, no, no, no.

00:24:11.000 I am soaked over the race baiting, the pushing, whatever.

00:24:17.000 I like people not because of the color of their skin, but because of who they are.

00:24:21.000 And this entire concept, and we saw this a few years ago during the BLM riots and everything else.

00:24:28.000 It was like, you can't shop at white stores anymore.

00:24:30.000 You have to shop at black small businesses.

00:24:34.000 Remember where they were pushing all this? 0.98

00:24:35.000 And on Netflix, it was all of the movies that were produced by black lesbian directors.

00:24:46.000 This is the stuff, again, this stuff just doesn't work.

00:24:49.000 And the more that I think they keep pushing this, the further that it repels normal people who are just like, this is so 2020, this is so 2019.

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00:26:06.000 So, Blake, the mythical quality here.

00:26:08.000 I mean, there is almost like a mystique to black women. 1.00

00:26:11.000 Like, they will save us.

00:26:13.000 That they are worthy of almost sacrament.

00:26:16.000 What is that?

00:26:18.000 It's a few things.

00:26:19.000 I mean, one is they are the most bedrock part of the left's coalition.

00:26:26.000 I mean, you can see that chart.

00:26:27.000 Most loyal.

00:26:27.000 Yeah, you can see that chart.

00:26:28.000 They are the ones who are going sometimes 98%.

00:26:33.000 It is.

00:26:34.000 Like, there's an element of, like, so there's the fact that they are the 98% liberal ones.

00:26:39.000 But, yeah, beyond that, as you say, it is that it's, like, it's the polar opposite of, you know, all the things that we're tearing down in America, which is, you know, like, white men. 0.66

00:26:52.000 So you go to the opposite of that.

00:26:55.000 You know, maybe Jack has some thoughts on what drives it, too.

00:26:58.000 What I think of is how the fact that...

00:27:00.000 I think they're the one group in America you can just overtly say, oh, we're doing a diversity hire on this one.

00:27:06.000 Biden came out and said, I'm going to pick a black woman to the Supreme Court. 1.00

00:27:09.000 I'm not going to pick the most qualified person.

00:27:11.000 He could have said, I'm going to pick a woman. 0.96

00:27:13.000 I'm going to pick someone who's not a white male. 0.89

00:27:15.000 But he didn't do that. 0.87

00:27:16.000 He said, specifically black women. 0.99

00:27:18.000 Everyone else, 94% of America need not apply.

00:27:23.000 Period.

00:27:24.000 Just not allowed to compete.

00:27:26.000 And it was kind of like that with his Veep.

00:27:27.000 He didn't overtly promise, but it was sort of widely assumed he had to pick a black woman as his vice president in 2020.

00:27:35.000 That that was the under-the-table deal he made to win the South Carolina endorsement.

00:27:42.000 But yeah, I think we have Jack back, so maybe he could comment on what's...

00:27:46.000 Yeah, Jack, what is the philosophical basis of black womanism? 0.98

00:27:49.000 Yeah, thanks, guys.

00:27:50.000 I was gone for a little bit.

00:27:51.000 Just want to let you know, they did offer me the papacy, but I said, no, guys, I got a thought crime show to do.

00:27:57.000 So, you know, maybe next time.

00:28:00.000 No, so, Charlie, what's going on here is there is a civil religion.

00:28:06.000 A civic religion, if you will, that's been promulgated in the United States since the 1960s, and it's been in the countercultural revolution, the countercultural moment, where, as you were saying before, the wasp is considered the most hated figure in America, and therefore the inversion of that must be the greatest.

00:28:27.000 And there's something that, I mentioned this on Tucker once, that it's always just...

00:28:35.000 Absolutely fascinated me that Jeffrey Dahmer, the serial killer, cannibal, you know, heinous, horrific things that he did, he confesses his crimes to the police, chopped up his victims, ate them in some cases, kept their body parts in others, yet...

00:28:51.000 Later on in an interview, so he would give these interviews from prison and things like that, he emphasized that even though the vast majority of his victims were young men of color, that he was not a racist.

00:29:06.000 And it was emphatic for him to make sure that he knew and that everybody knew that he was not a racist.

00:29:14.000 He may have killed them. 0.99

00:29:16.000 He may have chopped up their body parts. 0.99

00:29:18.000 He may have eaten some of their body parts. 0.99

00:29:21.000 Please, please don't let anyone believe that he's a despicable racist.

00:29:26.000 And I honestly just think that it says more about...

00:29:29.000 What we place value on as a society where we would actually consider all those crimes to be lesser than to committing the crime of doing a racism or being accused of doing a racism.

00:29:43.000 And this, of course, is our civic religion in the United States.

00:29:46.000 We and the West writ large are the only places in the world that think this way, that we invert everything and we make everything...

00:29:55.000 All the time about race rather than base things off of merit or just simply base the judgments of somebody's actions like, oh, I don't know, murder and cannibalism.

00:30:06.000 But since the 1960s, this has been our civil religion.

00:30:10.000 Okay, let's go.

00:30:11.000 A couple of pieces of tape.

00:30:12.000 Let's start with 360.

00:30:14.000 WNBA player Paige Booker is getting an award saying the following.

00:30:17.000 Play cut 360.

00:30:19.000 With the light that I have now, as a white woman who leads a black-led sport and celebrated here, I want to show a light on black women.

00:30:29.000 They don't get the media coverage that they deserve.

00:30:33.000 All they do is get media coverage.

00:30:35.000 Let me rephrase what she's saying.

00:30:38.000 Let me just really quick.

00:30:39.000 She's like, as a white woman who's currently being held hostage by all my black teammates getting this award, I'd like to say thank you to my captors. 0.64

00:30:47.000 I'm blinking twice.

00:30:50.000 She's literally being held hostage getting this award.

00:30:52.000 That's what that is.

00:30:53.000 And when you read the article, it's not even just like, oh, that they might be socially isolated.

00:30:56.000 You'll see these things.

00:30:57.000 Wasn't it Caitlin Clark was practically getting assaulted on the court? 1.00

00:31:01.000 100%.

00:31:01.000 By the way, they made an example out of Caitlin Clark for that reason.

00:31:06.000 She doesn't want to get the crap beat out of her, and women can't stand that as much as men. 1.00

00:31:10.000 When men get the crap beat out of them, they rally together, they get stronger. 0.99

00:31:14.000 Women do not like being socially isolated. 0.99

00:31:16.000 That is the worst thing for a female, is to be socially isolated. 1.00

00:31:20.000 If we want to have a thought crime, we could be like, are women built for team sports? 1.00

00:31:23.000 I mean, Caitlin Clark honestly isn't.

00:31:28.000 I'm not saying she's bad.

00:31:29.000 She's a phenomenal athlete. 1.00

00:31:30.000 Someone hard-fowls your star in the NFL, and it's like a melee, and 27 players get suspended, and there's all these fines.

00:31:38.000 Do WNBA players get in fights if someone gets... 1.00

00:31:43.000 Gets mugged on the court?

00:31:44.000 Yeah, but Caitlin Clark's a great example, which is that, so she's a great athlete, objectively one of the best basketball players of a generation for women, and she then gets bullied by her teammates and by other opponents, and then she bends the knee to black worship. 0.97

00:32:01.000 And she does!

00:32:02.000 She was basically like, I'm so racist, I need to learn my privilege.

00:32:05.000 Look, so she basically allowed this to master her. 1.00

00:32:10.000 And you look at, I mean, would Larry Bird take that?

00:32:13.000 No.

00:32:14.000 I mean, I don't think so.

00:32:15.000 Would Pistol Pete?

00:32:16.000 I'm just thinking of, like, white players that would look up.

00:32:19.000 Maybe, maybe not.

00:32:21.000 It's not a criticism of women.

00:32:22.000 Women just tend to be more agreeable, and they tend to be more sensitive to group social dynamics. 0.99

00:32:28.000 We had one of the clerics of the Democrat religion visit us in San Francisco, Play Cup 361.

00:32:33.000 I love you!

00:32:34.000 And you know what I think?

00:32:36.000 I think you really want a big black... 1.00

00:32:41.000 Well, you seem pleasant.

00:32:42.000 Are you married?

00:32:43.000 Was your mom married?

00:32:45.000 Because I got a call from the doctor.

00:32:47.000 She missed her abortion.

00:32:49.000 You seem so sweet.

00:32:51.000 Charlie, you seem so stiff and white. 1.00

00:32:55.000 Do you have a stick up your ass? 1.00

00:32:57.000 Is there something wrong with being white? 1.00

00:33:00.000 Charlie, is there something wrong with a stick in your ass is what I'm asking. 1.00

00:33:05.000 I love you. 1.00

00:33:06.000 Charlie, you're the best comedian.

00:33:08.000 You're the best.

00:33:10.000 Do you want a hat?

00:33:12.000 She wants a hat. 0.99

00:33:14.000 Can you wear it?

00:33:20.000 That is one of the high priestesses of the American left. 0.99

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00:34:27.000 Here's Michelle Obama saying black women don't complain enough. 1.00

00:34:32.000 Right. 0.97

00:34:34.000 Because when I think of...

00:34:37.000 Never mind.

00:34:38.000 Playcut 362.

00:34:39.000 As black women are paying because it's almost like nobody ever gave us permission to do that. 1.00

00:34:46.000 And does anyone care?

00:34:47.000 Yeah, there's no...

00:34:49.000 If we knew, I think we would care.

00:34:52.000 If we knew.

00:34:54.000 If we knew.

00:34:55.000 Or, you know, and we have to ask ourselves, the men in our lives, is, you know, why wait to be asked?

00:35:05.000 You know, it seems like what we go through is pretty obvious.

00:35:10.000 I mean, maybe we're not complaining, but we're actually living life out loud, you know?

00:35:16.000 She almost said asked correctly.

00:35:19.000 She got so close.

00:35:21.000 She was so close, and then she went axed. 1.00

00:35:23.000 She was so close.

00:35:25.000 You could tell that she was true. 0.94

00:35:27.000 She has to say it that way.

00:35:29.000 Right?

00:35:29.000 She corrected herself.

00:35:31.000 Okay, let me just have a couple thoughts, and then we'll throw it into the gang here.

00:35:35.000 Number one, she does not seem like a formidable political candidate ever. 1.00

00:35:38.000 I mean, just that whole clip. 0.98

00:35:40.000 Yeah, well, black women need permission to complain. 1.00

00:35:43.000 Number two, what's happening to her brother? 0.81

00:35:45.000 Like, what is this whole thing where he's kind of just, like, becoming a woman? 0.51

00:35:49.000 It's very strange. 0.85

00:35:51.000 Number three, do you ever know that it is black men that are reluctant to complain? 1.00

00:35:58.000 Reluctant to complain?

00:36:02.000 You see, I do feel like, you do hear that one a lot, where it's just like, they've been told to be quiet for too long, and like, who is telling them to be quiet?

00:36:13.000 We're not even telling them to be quiet.

00:36:14.000 We're just sort of commenting about...

00:36:17.000 The statues.

00:36:18.000 And the strange-looking statues.

00:36:21.000 And even with the statues, if you want to put up a statue to Rosa Parks, go ahead.

00:36:27.000 It's like you're putting up a statue to literally nothing.

00:36:30.000 You're putting up a statue to someone glaring at you.

00:36:33.000 I would find it rather strange if we just had a white guy statue and he's staring ominously at you.

00:36:40.000 We'd probably say it looks like Big Brother.

00:36:42.000 Would you want a big bronze of that guy?

00:36:44.000 Just like...

00:36:50.000 I just had a great idea for Charlie for when you do these campus things you should But, like, the night before the event is supposed to take place, just get, like, a giant bronze Charlie Kirk statue and have people put it up somewhere on campus.

00:37:09.000 And then just have, like, don't go there.

00:37:11.000 Don't go there, right?

00:37:13.000 But have, like, you know, it doesn't be bronze.

00:37:15.000 It can be some cheaper thing, whatever.

00:37:16.000 But don't go there.

00:37:18.000 Just film what happens to the statue.

00:37:20.000 Like, have a drone, like, getting footage of it and just watch the insanity.

00:37:24.000 I guarantee you it would drive people completely nuts.

00:37:27.000 And, hey, just free content.

00:37:29.000 We should make it bronze as indestructible.

00:37:32.000 No, no, it should be bronze and make it indestructible.

00:37:35.000 And then watch how long and how hard they try.

00:37:39.000 Oh, yeah, that's good.

00:37:40.000 So it can actually hurt them.

00:37:45.000 And we'll close with this.

00:37:47.000 We're a little over time.

00:37:49.000 This is how a man, Larry Bird, stood up to bullying back in the NBA versus WNBA players.

00:37:56.000 Play cut 364.

00:37:57.000 Larry Bird and Bill Lambeer have both been ejected from the game.

00:38:03.000 Now there's Bird throwing the ball at Lambeer and Rodman coming over.

00:38:08.000 And the 24-second clock goes down and Burdard and LaBear go at it. 1.00

00:38:14.000 "Fuck it up, please! 1.00

00:38:16.000 Make it up, please! 1.00

00:38:19.000 Fuck it!" I don't remember Larry Bird getting as angry as I saw him there. 1.00

00:38:24.000 Well, Bird would stand for getting pulled down on a layup, but not on a play like that with the clock running down.

00:38:31.000 And he really got taken down very hard.

00:38:34.000 And, of course, Bird is very upset at Lambier and has been for a long time.

00:38:39.000 Now Rodman goes after bird after bird threw the ball.

00:38:48.000 This thing's out of control.

00:38:49.000 How many times...

00:38:56.000 You're big on Michael Jordan being the greatest of all time.

00:38:59.000 How many times did he beat Larry Bird in the playoffs?

00:39:02.000 As a coach or player?

00:39:04.000 Was Michael Jordan a coach?

00:39:05.000 Larry Bird was of the Pacers.

00:39:07.000 Yeah, but did he coach against Jordan?

00:39:10.000 Yeah.

00:39:10.000 Oh, did he?

00:39:11.000 I didn't know that.

00:39:11.000 Multiple times, yeah.

00:39:12.000 Okay.

00:39:12.000 But how about as a player, though?

00:39:14.000 Not very well.

00:39:15.000 It's when Jordan was still young.

00:39:16.000 He was developing.

00:39:17.000 He was a young gun.

00:39:20.000 Jordan got better when Rodman left the Pistons. 0.99

00:39:25.000 Rodman was a crazy person.

00:39:26.000 He got better or he became able to defeat the Pistons? 0.87

00:39:29.000 No, because it improved his game significantly.

00:39:32.000 The Pistons were his nemesis.

00:39:35.000 Yeah, they beat him three years in a row, right, I think?

00:39:43.000 I think he was like 180, and he put on like 15 pounds of muscle because the Pistons were just throwing him around, right?

00:39:54.000 Just throwing him around.

00:39:55.000 They went and got Rodman.

00:39:57.000 He put on 15 pounds of muscle, and they finally overcame Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons.

00:40:01.000 They only had Rodman for the second three-peat, right?

00:40:04.000 The first one, they didn't have Rodman.

00:40:05.000 They did not.

00:40:05.000 That was just Scottie Pippen.

00:40:07.000 That's correct.

00:40:08.000 Only Scottie was there for all six.

00:40:10.000 What if, Charlie, just hear me out on this idea.

00:40:13.000 The NBA, people have said the NBA is getting stale because it's all just dunks or three-point shots or layups and there's no middle game.

00:40:20.000 What if we put a statue of a frowning black woman at the three-point line and it moved back and forth along the three-point line, making it more difficult to take three-point shots? 0.91

00:40:32.000 This is where we're heading.

00:40:35.000 I could not tell you a single thing that's happening in the NBA playoffs right now.

00:40:38.000 Could you?

00:40:39.000 Yeah, because there's no statue of a black woman on the court.

00:40:41.000 That's the problem.

00:40:42.000 That would fix it.

00:40:45.000 If complaining was a currency, they'd all be billionaires.

00:40:47.000 Final thoughts, guys.

00:40:50.000 I want a giant bronze statue of Charlie Kirk because I could just think of so many funny things to do with that, man.

00:40:58.000 Then again, I am here and I remind myself I am sitting in front of St. Peter's Basilica and I'm very excited to go to Mass there tomorrow morning.

00:41:07.000 Wow.

00:41:08.000 Great for you.

00:41:09.000 All right.

00:41:09.000 Till next time, guys.

00:41:10.000 Keep committing thought crimes. 0.98

00:41:12.000 Black womanism is simply a counterfeit left-wing religion for real religions, as Jack is in the only real religion, which is Christianity. 0.98

00:41:20.000 And he is in Rome. 0.77

00:41:22.000 So we'll pray for Jack's safety and wisdom there.

00:41:25.000 God bless you guys.

00:41:26.000 Keep on committing thought crimes.

00:41:27.000 Thanks so much for listening, everyone.

00:41:29.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:41:32.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 10, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 83 — The Doll Debate? Black Women Statues?

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