What is going on between President Trump and Elon Musk? We have the instant analysis with the Thought Crime Team, Blake, Jack, Tyler, and Tyler to break down it all down. Today is the 13th anniversary of Turning Point USA and we should be celebrating.
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00:01:58.000But this is what happens when you have coalition politics.
00:02:02.000If you study history, and Blake, I'm sure, could rattle off a dozen examples off the top of his head of coalition politics that go through this after the coalition achieves victory, that go through some growing pains, that go through some leadership challenges, which there clearly is, which go through some issues and flare-ups.
00:02:21.000I think this is something where, you know, no company can have two CEOs.
00:02:25.000And, you know, a country has to be run by a chain of command, and it's really as simple as that.
00:02:30.000And so if this was always going to happen, fine.
00:02:34.000Then it might as well happen within the first couple months of the first year rather than, oh, I don't know, like right before an election or a time when it really matters.
00:02:42.000Charlie, today's a great day we should be celebrating, and here's the reason why.
00:02:48.000Everyone expected this to blow up way sooner than it actually did, and it actually lasted this long.
00:02:54.000There's no person that's had a stronger, more great relationship with the president than Turning Point and Charlie and everyone else.
00:03:02.000This is the one thing that I want to point out.
00:03:04.000Today is the anniversary of 13 years of Turning Point.
00:03:52.000I mean, accusing of the Epstein files.
00:04:01.000Because this could be literally in a matter of days they calm down a bit and the bill moves on and they either bury the hatchet or stop sniping each other.
00:04:12.000But right now, the pinned post on X by Elon is, is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle with 82% voting yes on his pinned tweet?
00:05:47.000It's just amazing how it's all happening within a couple days.
00:05:50.000What's interesting to me is usually when you hear these, oh, let's create a party that represents the middle, you hear it from sort of these bland, centrist politicians or businessmen who aren't famously political.
00:06:03.000But with Musk, what's interesting is he's become this utterly reviled figure on the American left because he allied with Trump.
00:06:27.000like Elon there is no you want to talk about like the arc of non-forgiveness the left created non-forgiveness principle yes and so at that point There is no redemption for him on the left.
00:06:38.000And so I think you create this interesting...
00:06:51.000And then you circle back around to he can sabotage the right, which means he would empower the party that has made it its priority to destroy Tesla, destroy SpaceX, possibly put Musk himself in prison.
00:07:04.000And are they going to have to be able to?
00:07:06.000I feel like naturally they're going to not want to be enemies because one of the things that Musk and Trump have in common is the left wants to put both of them in prison.
00:07:15.000And Blake, to your point, though, too, this isn't just theory on the left.
00:07:21.000So they created the no labels party and the left held together and did not fracture nearly as much as people thought it would on the left because they created the no labels party, uh, really because there was a lot of resentment at the time for how the left was managing things with Biden.
00:07:40.000And obviously they, they equipped and, and, They've already done this and they succeeded in hanging together.
00:07:54.000This hasn't happened on the right yet in any kind of functional way and I agree with you.
00:07:58.000It would mostly hurt the riot if it did happen.
00:08:01.000Yeah, I just, I mean, here's the thing I have to keep on just reminding myself is that this I'd much rather have this blow up.
00:08:10.000I mean, it went from nothing to thermonuclear war.
00:08:12.000You don't accuse somebody of being in the Epstein files.
00:08:14.000I want to log this, by the way, that Charlie predicted this specific thing when he saw that Elon Musk made the tweet.
00:09:58.000I don't think that anyone in media has quite figured this out yet, that somehow Republicans, for once, outflanked Democrats on health, on health care.
00:10:09.000It was like they did Obamacare and that took them up through 2010 and then they just sort of stopped talking about the issue.
00:10:14.000But then RFK comes along and finds a new way to talk about health as an issue.
00:10:20.000President Trump brings in Bobby Kennedy.
00:10:23.000Of course, they have the great and iconic meeting at, yes, a turning point rally, a turning point action rally down in Georgia, which has gone down in history and will continue to go down in history as one of the great meetings of the minds and the coalition coming together.
00:10:39.000And so that doesn't diminish what Elon did, but it's just it represents a completely different political alignment than we've ever seen in American politics when Bobby Kennedy crossed It stands on its own.
00:10:54.000And you still see the Maha movement Absolutely chugging along on all four cylinders right now, whether it be dyes in foods, whether it be the latest thing that they're banning from cereals and gliophosphates and just all of it.
00:11:11.000And I've got to say, for suburban women, I've always told the story, right?
00:11:15.000That for suburban women, my wife, and everybody knows my wife, Tainte, she, you know, follows our stuff, but she's not super political.
00:11:22.000But I catch her, you know, at some point, like last fall or whatever it was, and she's listening to a Rogan podcast.
00:11:35.000And I said, what made you want to listen to this one?
00:11:37.000She goes, All the moms in my mom's chat are talking about this.
00:11:41.000All of the suburban women, especially those who have children, on the vaccine, on the food, on everything else, the Maha Mom movement was born through the work of RFK.
00:11:54.000And so aligning with Bobby Kennedy, that's why Trump wants suburban women.
00:11:59.000And that became a key demographic, among other key demographics, but it absolutely became a key demographic margin in the swing states and absolutely in the Rust Belt.
00:13:08.000You can read testimonials from other people who have been where you are, how they've escaped, and how you can see what their monthly payments were versus what they are now.
00:14:56.000I think that there is going—I actually think in the short term this is not necessarily reconcilable.
00:15:03.000I actually am more bullish on, like, them actually coming together because it sounds like, oh, Trump's only president for three and a half years.
00:15:10.000That's a long time, Elon, and you have a lot of government contracts, and I actually think that you have very ambitious and I think righteous— Goals to want to go to Mars.
00:15:20.000And I actually think what cooler heads are going to prevail here.
00:15:24.000And don't be surprised if there's like a story, and I have no inside information to say this.
00:15:31.000In the next like nine months, where all of a sudden there's like back channel established between Team Elon and Team Trump and like Bill Ackman or somebody Serbs as like the intermediary.
00:15:43.000The stakes are too high, and deep down I actually think they agree on a lot and have good memories together.
00:15:49.000Don't be shocked if all of a sudden Elon's having a stake at Mar-a-Lago in November.
00:15:53.000I mean, I'm telling you right now, don't be shocked.
00:15:55.000Here's where the Trump team is smart, too, is nothing that Elon has worked towards and wants is going to be supported by the left, as you so poignantly pointed out here, is that they're not going to have any kind of home to go to with the left because the left isn't going to embrace Elon, and they're not going to support anything that Elon's doing with Doge and everything that he's actually upset about.
00:16:15.000The only people that will help him are on the right.
00:16:17.000And so when the political reality comes down the road here of who are we going to take out, the people they're going to take out are the most moderate people anyways that are the least likely to be Trump supporters.
00:16:29.000And so when Elon accidentally or incidentally pushes those people towards Trump, there's going to become a real clear reality that those people are not gettable to him.
00:16:44.000The establishment, when it goes towards Trump, that actually makes the party more conservative and then actually ends up doing the things that he wants to have done anyways, which is going to enable all of the doge.
00:16:56.000So I think that the outcome of what you're saying is that we've seen numerous times, even people really close and really fond of President Trump, including Trump.
00:17:15.000The political dice got re-rolled and there was a realization that some of the things that Steve said were correct and they got fixed and it actually made the movement better.
00:17:26.000And I think that that's probably where we're going to end up.
00:17:42.000Sorry, sorry to be the bearers of bad news on that one.
00:17:45.000But I guess my issue with envisioning a reconciliation is that Trump, I think we agree Trump, He very much thrives and he wants to be dominant.
00:20:07.000Who knows what the economy will look like?
00:20:08.000Elon thinks we're going into a recession.
00:20:10.000Like he just predicted that today in kind of his stream of consciousness tweets.
00:20:15.000But it's also just, I think that if you look at these things in terms of year cycles, I would much rather have this blow up in June of 25 than June of 26. Totally.
00:21:59.000And what's the most important free speech platform we have?
00:22:01.000It's X. And all of those things are very valuable things that Musk has been involved in.
00:22:08.000And one of the biggest tragedies would be if we lost any of those, whether it's because of some fight or if it would be because Elon himself would damage it.
00:22:16.000I really hope Elon doesn't go on this bender where he starts censoring a ton of people on X. I might lose my X account.
00:22:53.000I do remember Elon also being associated with the original Trump administration in 2017, and he left sort of in the aftermath of Charlottesville and a couple of other things.
00:23:03.000So that was also in the first summer of the first admin.
00:23:07.000And you have a situation politically where, yeah, it's anything.
00:23:11.000And I gave a comment to Politico earlier today.
00:23:14.000Along similar lines, just saying that with Trump and Elon, never count anything out.
00:23:20.000Just never count anything out, especially with the president.
00:23:23.000He has a way of turning enemies into allies and has done so time and time again, and people seem to always discount his ability to do so.
00:23:35.000But I do think that we should actually talk a little bit about the bill itself.
00:23:41.000You know, one of the things that I've been trying to push on X and just on the shows and everything is that it's this idea that people are saying, okay, well, you know, we have to balance the budget.
00:24:42.000Well, what if, boys and girls, you look at the demand side of the equation as well and reduce the number of people who are on these programs by removing them from the country?
00:24:52.00043% of immigrants, legal and illegal, are on one welfare program or another.
00:29:17.000So let's talk about some of the politics here.
00:29:21.000The Democrats won't want him, and there's no reconciliation there.
00:29:26.000Let's just say the Republican thing is on ice.
00:29:29.000We're so far out from the midterm, so his threats of a third party would be very difficult to manifest in a reality.
00:29:35.000Well, it'd be difficult, but also it's early enough that if he wanted to say, like, Let's say he met some of his tech buddies and they came up with a platform they wanted people to run on that they could call Centrist.
00:29:47.000Maybe it would be secure the border but have high-skill immigrants, because obviously there's tech guys like that, and maybe balanced budget.
00:29:56.000They could do it and still have the time to say, we have the money, we'll spend $3 billion to fund any candidates who want to run for House or Senate on this platform.
00:30:09.000And they have enough time, I think, that they could get this together by then.
00:30:12.000They could have the platform by July or August.
00:30:15.000They could start recruiting people, start getting them on the ballot, and you have the whole thing going by next spring.
00:30:21.000They have enough time to attempt that if they really want to.
00:30:25.000Now, I think what you'd find is, much as Elon found the federal government frustrating because you can't just be a CEO and go in and blow stuff up, I think...
00:30:37.000Like, oh, you mean we have to get all these volunteers who go and get signatures and they have to vet the signatures?
00:31:12.000You're running out of daylight to basically do it.
00:31:15.000Because the problem He just tried this with a ton of money last year.
00:31:20.000Yeah, presidential is different because each state has their own policies for how many signatures you need to collect to get a presidential ballot.
00:31:25.000But for official party status, in order to nominate somebody for governor, lieutenant governor, all the way down to local offices, but Congress in particular, you have to have official party status in the state.
00:31:40.000And so what they would have to do is they would have to go to the states that have the most opportunity to win, so the people that they effectively hate the most, where you can knock off one or two people in that state to make it worth it.
00:31:51.000The problem is that to get official party status in each of the states, there's a certain number of months that it takes to do it, and you have to do it before the initial primary election.
00:32:01.000Some primaries are as early as March and April of next year.
00:32:05.000That's when a lot of primaries are in some states.
00:32:07.000And so you legitimately have to be done with that and get official party status and identity like right now.
00:32:14.000And so to your point, even if you paid people to do it, it would be almost impossible because you need a ton of signatures to make official status.
00:32:21.000But if you did it and you did it now ahead of 2028, it could be really problematic because once you get official.
00:32:36.000I'm laughing because someone in the chat just said that Steve Witkoff now has to have a meeting with Eli.
00:33:01.000The scarier part is the attacks that Elon might, if it does continue the way it does, and I agree with Charlie, I don't think it's going to.
00:33:08.000It's going to get resolved and people are probably going to figure it out because there's nothing for them to get other than if you just have pure animosity and you want to take people out.
00:33:17.000But this could have implications where if it continued, it would be more challenging for Republicans to retain the House.
00:33:23.000And if Republicans don't retain the House and Elon does continue saying things along the lines of impeach Trump, that's probably not helpful because they probably will.
00:33:32.000And then we'll have to go through all that circumstances.
00:34:18.000We barely won it in 24. If 2018 is any pattern to go off of, we will not be as strong in an off year with Trump as president than we are with Trump himself on the ballot.
00:34:30.000In general, incumbents lose seats in the House.
00:34:33.000In general, incumbents lose seats in the Senate.
00:34:36.000We're in for a tough fight no matter what.
00:34:38.000And if the second most famous guy in the 2024 Trump election cycle is now aggressively denouncing Trump, talking about impeaching him, I don't see a way that that's healthy for us in any way whatsoever.
00:35:23.000Because it's just kind of sometimes when you're in the tunnel, you don't quite realize what's really going on here.
00:35:29.000And when history writes the book, they're like, at a time of great peril, when the Mohammedans were taking over and the Chinese were taking over a...
00:35:42.000Yeah, you could just read about this in history.
00:35:45.000I love to always, if you want to think of something strange, you like to kind of step in and zoom out to 10,000 feet and you're thinking, if I'm reading a high school textbook about this, what would it say was ridiculous or dumb?
00:35:57.000I kind of like to imagine, how would you feel if you opened a textbook and you were reading about the Roman Empire and it said, in the early 300s of the Roman Empire, as barbarians were moving against the gates, so the Romans became consumed.
00:36:08.000with mutilating their own bodies and you know the Roman men would say that they were actually women and Roman women would say that they were actually men and they were performatively cut themselves like you would think oh these guys are completely deranged so don't we should feel a little off put when we see that today but a similar thing you just read
00:36:40.000And in the chronology of that empire, they're in the death spiral, you know, circling the drain.
00:36:46.000And you can just read it where, okay, the only way they could come back is if everyone united against all of their external enemies.
00:38:03.000There are so many things we can build off of.
00:38:05.000And it would be a huge tragedy if we lose any of those things because we're falling into a civil war.
00:38:12.000And I would say this as well, and it's worth saying, is that whatever you think of the big, beautiful bill, I think whatever changes we could make to it, you know, if we pass Trump's version, it's better than what we have now.
00:38:26.000And if we pass Elon's version, it's better than what we have now.
00:38:29.000Both, though, are better than just a Biden status quo where you still have the border as bad.
00:38:33.000And it gets rid of the Biden status quo.
00:38:34.000It gets rid of his inflation reduction act.
00:38:36.000Yeah, it gets rid of a lot of great things.
00:38:38.000And I think it would be a huge tragedy to allow any of that to go under because of some ego fight, because of some sort of just because neither side will give an inch over it.
00:38:50.000And so I hope Charlie's right that there's reconciliation.
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00:40:43.000There are so many sides to MAGA and so many different reasons why people at this point have collectively supported the president and trust him.
00:40:51.000And it's one big blow-up, how big or small it is, really, but even a big one.
00:40:58.000People just aren't going to come off the president, and they trust the president.
00:41:02.000And so how they look at this and the messaging that's coming out with the big, beautiful bill that we're talking about, it still does a lot.
00:41:10.000And the president really has played middleman between Congress, who wants to do practically nothing, and where Elon was.
00:41:34.000People around him are smart that have worked together.
00:41:37.000The White House has gone through this a thousand times.
00:41:41.000They're going to have some reconciliation, and they're going to figure out that the only side that's ever going to get what he wants done is going to be on the right.
00:41:49.000So, Jack, let's talk about the perspective here of where we as a movement go next.
00:42:40.000You can't spend yourselves into oblivion.
00:42:43.000And there are real issues with the global – these debt markets, the financial capital markets.
00:42:49.000They've taken out – the German Chancellor Merz, who was over today at the White House, the entire German government is bankrupt.
00:42:56.000They're like parabolic, the level of Greece in 2008 they're looking at right now.
00:43:01.000And a lot of this, of course, has to do with the Ukraine war.
00:43:04.000There are huge, huge issues of debt that obviously have crippled Japan, that have gone through and taken out multiple governments in the past.
00:43:11.000So it's absolutely fine to say that this isn't like the H-1B debate, right?
00:43:17.000You remember that from- But immigration, it was, but immigration is a fundamentally different issue than debt, where the MAGA movement, I think, is very sympathetic to this question.
00:43:31.000I think the MAGA movement and conservatives in general, and as Tyler's saying, the multifaceted conservative movement wants to cut debt.
00:44:12.000And so unless you want to go in and change the entire system overnight, which is impossible, you've got to deal with the system that we have and that's There isn't a better option to a better mass deportation bill, period, full stop.
00:44:24.000So for the movement, I think you see it with Trump signaling.
00:44:27.000You know, he's saying, I don't have any comments.
00:44:44.000Obviously, there's still the Ukraine war that's going to go on and the news cycle will He's got a tweet up right now or a truth up right now saying, I don't mind that this happened and I still support the bill.
00:45:47.000Every single person that's watching this, and in the political that are surrounding us, that are hyper-political, like, hypersensitive, they're like, what?
00:47:47.000And the conservatives that we know are all good people.
00:47:50.000that are over there and they're not going to be I don't know.
00:47:58.000Every single person's proclivity to certain people.
00:48:02.000But they're probably more likely to support people who maybe didn't support Elon in his quest for doge cuts.
00:48:11.000So he has a really unique situation that's in front of him.
00:48:14.000And that's kind of insider information, where you look at all this and go, okay, well, there's going to be some He might make some changes.
00:48:22.000He might try to do some things that are damaging.
00:48:24.000But I think that the more people try to do those things and play those games within politics and presidential politics in particular, it's usually self-harming.
00:48:37.000And we saw that again with some of the things.
00:49:11.000So, shortly after Elon started going off, Ron DeSantis'PAC sends out an email promoting Elon and Doge and basically...
00:49:29.000And yes, I do pay attention to counter-signalers because this is what led to Ron DeSantis' campaign in the first place and his completely failed primary where he humiliated and embarrassed himself in front of the entire country.
00:49:59.000So he's clearly, clearly playing politics here.
00:50:01.000And you see, by the way, a lot of the DeSantis people are all over X right now, spreading just ridiculous nonsense about Trump and Epstein, just absolute lies, libel in many cases.
00:50:15.000And and you're seeing them have an absolute free for all here.
00:50:18.000So I think there's a lot of people who are kind of looking at Elon in terms of his wallet.
00:50:23.000And certainly he was involved with that X Spaces when DeSantis first announced was with WhyRefi is one of our best supporters at Turning Point USA.
00:51:14.000You can read testimonials from other people who have been where you are, how they've escaped, and how you can see what their monthly payments were versus what they are now.
00:52:57.000I've gone as far as I can to literally go to the White House to ask them personally in many cases and spoke to the Attorney General of the United States and the head of the FBI and personally lobbied them directly one-on-one in the White House about this.
00:53:12.000So please, if there's anything else I can do, let me know because I'm trying here, folks.
00:53:19.000The idea that they wouldn't have released this when Merrick Garland was in charge of the DOJ and have people be able to put this together, of course they would have.
00:53:45.000I mean, it's just so ridiculous to even think about where— It's so obviously not true.
00:53:50.000Donald Trump kicked, and we have to say this like a million times, Donald Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of his Mar-a-Lago club in 1999 and immediately turned around, before the first arrest, the one where he got the sweetheart deal, even before all that, offered to help do anything he can because he heard that Epstein was coming on to, like, daughters of guests and members and things like this.
00:54:14.000This story's been told a million times.
00:54:16.000And believe me, if they could have pinned this on Trump, they would have done so a long, long time ago.
00:55:37.000And at the very least, if the statute of limitations was like beyond...
00:55:44.000Jack Smith's investigation would have had a little more oomph if he was like, oh, and Donald Trump is a pedophile.
00:55:49.000Yeah, or Jack Smith was like, we raided Mar-a-Lago to get information pertaining to the Epstein investigation.
00:55:55.000Now that would have been like a PR narrative that would have been cooking, right?
00:55:59.000This idea that after 10 years, all of a sudden, like, we're supposed to believe it, and like, look, I just, it's just so ridiculous in more ways than one.
00:56:09.000Just because you're listed in a file does not also mean you're, like, a client or you're incriminated.
00:56:14.000Like, you know how many people, like, a lot of people are listed in the 9-11 commission.
00:56:18.000Not everyone, Rudy Giuliani's in the 9-11 commission, you know that?
00:56:22.000He was also the mayor of New York, okay?
00:56:24.000Rudy Giuliani later worked for Donald Trump, that's right.
00:58:01.000Just understand that we are clear here.
00:58:04.000You go have one of the dumbest people ever in the history of criminal justice, Fannie Willis, coupled with Jack Smith, while you're sitting on an Epstein potential indictment that would have actually potentially jeopardized Donald Trump's political campaign.
00:58:53.000I've actually been saying this for a while privately, and I'm going to say it now.
00:58:57.000We get huge numbers on X. We had a tweet that just got 60 million things.
00:59:01.000I no longer look to X as the finger on the pulse as I used to.
00:59:06.000It's kind of like a little bit of a doom loop of a brain rot in the algorithm feed.
00:59:11.000I actually look more on YouTube at times for kind of a good pulse.
00:59:16.000Unfortunately, the big thing with X is a lot of the left did leave X. And I think one of the biggest values of Twitter and why it was so atrocious that the left killed the original Twitter the way they did is it was open public free speech platform.
00:59:33.000Elon Musk brought back the free speech, but the left hates free speech now, so they all went to Blue Sky so that they could become unhinged on it together.
00:59:40.000And that, plus the monetization of it, it threw off the balance of it a bit.
01:01:42.000One's from South Carolina that sometimes gets into some of the stuff where it just absorbs so much shock instead of people going out and doing things that are going to be impactful for the movement.
01:01:54.000And I say this because running an activist organization with Turning Point Action, you have to have people focused on end goals that are positive.
01:02:36.000The war of words means there's nothing fruitful here.
01:02:41.000At the same time, we just have to take a deep breath and keep the main thing And I harbor no resentment whatsoever because I actually want to save the country.
01:02:53.000You can call me all these different names.
01:02:55.000Do you know how many people that have attacked me over the last couple?
01:03:07.000And by the way, we're at the 13-year anniversary of Turning Point USA today.
01:04:35.000If Donald Trump delivers on the policies, the tax relief, the immigration reform, the mass deportations, foreign policy, the rest of it, Maha, of course, then the coalition stands.
01:05:59.000Don't be shocked if all of a sudden you're going to see like a Elon Musk cameo just coming by for a little bit of like a little sundae, you know, a little bit of a nice, you know, with extra chocolate sauce and M&M's, right?
01:06:11.000He can't have extra Trump's the only one that gets two scoops.