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00:02:15.000Charlie, speaking of you, you were saying whether you were in the news or not, I feel like it would be really funny if we could get you into Catholic-level religious retreats.
00:02:24.000Go out for a week, put your phone away.
00:02:26.000I've been reading a biography of an old emperor during Holy Week.
00:02:30.000He's the emperor of the largest empire in Europe.
00:02:32.000Holy Week, he would just go to a monastery for a week and do no official business.
00:04:53.000He is the Persian vizier official in the Shah's court.
00:04:59.000Just to be clear, Haman is closely to Hitler.
00:05:02.000Like the Ayatollah is threatening to be Hitler, but he actually hasn't killed nearly as many Jews as like Haman.
00:05:07.000I was telling Charlie this week that a lot of people don't realize – So there used to be hundreds of thousands of Jews in Yemen, in Egypt, in modern Iraq.
00:07:05.000This is, okay, this is the boots on the ground one.
00:07:09.000I think it's important because we have to try to define what the consequences of some of this stuff would be and how bad these ideas are, how morally troubling these ideas are.
00:08:07.000This is actually why, well, I'm sure we'll get to this later, that, you know, that viral exchange between Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz, like, how many people are in Iran?
00:08:15.000A relevant question, especially if you're doing boots on the ground.
00:08:18.000When we invaded Iraq 20 years ago, it had slightly over 20 million people.
00:08:33.000They're not all concentrated in one city or anything.
00:08:35.000It's a – and then geographically, the country, Iraq, I want to say is like – I think you say like three times the size of Texas, about?
00:08:50.000Two and a half times the size of Texas.
00:08:52.000But also, even to get to Tehran, isn't it nestled within mountains all around it?
00:08:56.000Yeah, it's a very mountainous country.
00:11:10.000can't remember if he was already dead at this point, but they supposedly pour molten gold down his throat because he was the richest man in Rome, and so they were kind of styling on him a bit with that.
00:11:21.000So, Jack, I want to get this from a military expertise.
00:11:23.000So, Jack, even if everyone was like, let's go to Iran, how many Americans would die to displace the Iranian regime?
00:11:35.000Well, so, I mean, yeah, if you're talking about You know, so not special operations or one of these bombing runs, but an actual invasion scenario.
00:11:50.000Keep in mind that the Iraq troop surge was over 100,000 troops just there.
00:12:06.000Also, by the way, the people of Iraq would most likely come in in some way, shape or form here because at least 50% or more of Iraq currently supports Iran.
00:12:19.000You would need a larger force right now than Russia has in Ukraine to go into Iran, to be able to hold the country if you were trying to actually occupy it.
00:12:31.000Just to be clear, just to get to Tehran.
00:13:00.000And let's just frame it in terms of...
00:13:01.000So I think our peak force when we invaded Iraq was 170,000 troops.
00:13:10.000So if you just want to maintain the same number of troops per people in the country, you'd need over half a million.
00:13:18.000You would have to basically – you would have to move basically all of the troops of the Indo-Pacific, all of them, like all of the troops of Europe and just say we're going all in on Iran.
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00:17:42.000Yeah, and these are serious ethical questions that, of course, come up in the context of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
00:17:51.000They come up in the context of the Allied strategic bombing of World War II, many of which, as we know, because with these atomic weapons, they don't discriminate.
00:18:02.000They don't discriminate between combatants and enemy combatants.
00:18:05.000They don't discriminate between any of that.
00:18:18.000And if they live, if they're in the next radius and then beyond that, you've got radiation sickness, you've got cancer, you've got all sorts of things going on there.
00:18:31.000And people know, fortunately, she's from the western side of Belarus.
00:18:37.000The eastern side is where the Chernobyl fallout hit.
00:18:41.000And the Chernobyl fallout still affects people to this day in eastern Belarus and people who were born around that time, so late 80s, early 90s.
00:19:46.000I know too many people or have had families who were affected by this, and I just I mean, just like where are I mean, it's really a sick thing that people would just say go kill 3 million civilians.
00:20:01.000Babies and women that have nothing to do with this?
00:20:04.000This is a moral darkness that has to be confronted.
00:20:10.000I've read one of the darkest things actually about World War II's impact on humanity is it did very much normalize in Christian European civilization.
00:20:21.000It kind of brought back the idea it was okay to just go...
00:20:25.000Total war on someone like absolute war against an entire country and all of its people, which I feel at the peak of Western Christian European civilization.
00:20:35.000We had we had rolled that idea back like the US Civil War killed tons of people, yet there were.
00:20:43.000They did occur, but they were war crimes and people got hanged for them.
00:20:46.000The American Revolution, despite certain inaccurate Mel Gibson movies, does not involve mass atrocities against civilians.
00:20:55.000The Napoleonic Wars, a lot of people die in those.
00:20:58.000But again, you do not have it as a norm that you just roll into a town and just kill everybody.
00:21:03.000Or when it comes close to that, people are horrified and it's hugely controversial.
00:21:09.000Now, you know, World War II, it was, you know, they normalized the idea of total war.
00:21:13.000You wage war on an entire country and all of its people, and people are a resource, so you're okay to attack them because you have to attack them.
00:21:21.000I do think I should, since we are on ThoughtCrime, I do think if you're going to say that, I probably should bring up that the march to the sea, Sherman's march, was not exactly the cleanest.
00:21:32.000No, you see, that's where you're mistaken, Jack.
00:21:46.000I looked up every county that the March to the Sea went through, and we have the 1860 U.S. Census, and we have the 1870 U.S. Census.
00:21:55.000Every single place that the Sherman's March to the Sea went through had more people in 1870 than it did in 1860.
00:22:01.000Like, the funny thing is, is in the South, you'll have like all these small towns will have this story about- Basically, there were, like, no atrocities in the March to the Sea.
00:22:13.000Like, they destroyed a huge amount of infrastructure.
00:22:15.000like they destroyed every railroad but like the rules that Sherman gave his men They burn Atlanta deliberately, but they don't, like, kill everyone in Atlanta.
00:22:29.000They put the people in Atlanta on a train, and they send them to the north, and not to, like, scary train ride.
00:23:22.000Like this is an example where people will say this is total war.
00:23:26.000But if you dig into the details of it, it's actually a perfect example of how our values have changed that in the 1860s, this qualified as total war.
00:23:35.000Yet it's utterly incomparable to what we did in future wars or what, frankly, a lot of people want us to do now to Iran.
00:23:45.000But so, Jack, help me understand where does this come from?
00:23:48.000Where does that kind of cruelty and darkness versus like we're just going to drop a nuclear bomb on an entire population?
00:24:21.000And we were actually playing on human events.
00:24:26.000Earlier today, just, you know, sort of B-roll of city scenes in Tehran.
00:24:32.000And yeah, you know, it looks like the Middle East and it's different from us.
00:24:35.000and you see the burqas, but you do see families and just people sort of walking around and, you know, buying food and going shopping and going to work and living their lives.
00:24:45.000And so it's it's you know, again, it's They're still just people.
00:25:02.000And even if you have your differences with the regime and you, you know, morally want things to happen, you really need to be careful when you're Purposefully targeting civilian populations.
00:25:16.000And unfortunately, I think that is an unintended side effect of the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where some people think, well, that's just what you got to do.
00:25:28.000You know, that's just what you got to do to end the war, to stop them, just just nuke them, just nuke them all the way down.
00:25:34.000And to the point where Truman himself, you know, didn't obviously people remember.
00:25:41.000Even though he had dropped the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, did not elect to use nukes on China.
00:25:49.000After they got involved in the Korean War, and in fact, basically fired MacArthur for publicly speaking out against him.
00:25:59.000They had a huge disagreement about it.
00:26:01.000And MacArthur was saying, let's nuke Beijing, let's nuke Shanghai, and prevent China from going communist.
00:26:08.000Well, not going communist, but defeating the communists once and for all.
00:26:14.000Obviously, a whole alternate history that could have happened had that taken place.
00:26:18.000And so it's hard to say, but at the same time, I think there's serious moral and ethical questions here that get glossed over because when people hear about the war drums beating, there's a tendency, a very human tendency to be tribal.
00:26:34.000And in that very human tendency to be tribal, it's us versus them.
00:26:38.000And all of us need to defeat all of them.
00:26:41.000And if you're on the other side, then, you know, You're going to get you're going to get beaten.
00:26:46.000And and to the point, you know, Charlie, in this country, even in World War Two, you know, we did intern any Japanese Americans.
00:26:54.000Many German Americans also faced a lot of this.
00:26:56.000By the way, a lot of German, Italian American German and Italian Americans went and volunteered to join the Axis.
00:27:02.000So these wars are very complicated and wars get very messy.
00:27:06.000And it is it's never occurred once in all of history that there was a war that that went well and went exactly as the initial planners and promoters said it was going to.
00:27:17.000So, Blake, it's hard to even comprehend.
00:27:21.000Is there like a older generation problem where they just haven't learned like any foreign policy lessons the last 20 years?
00:27:28.000You know, it's sad because like we think of learning from things, but the truth is for a lot of people, they get their ideas about the world, I think, largely fixed in their teenage years, their 20 something years, and then...
00:27:46.000And I think just like we see in Washington, where a lot of people got in a Cold War mindset, so that's why they're always paranoid about Russia.
00:27:55.000And I think that's actually driving a lot of the Iran stuff.
00:28:00.000The U.S. and Iran had far more direct conflict in the 1980s.
00:28:05.000I mean, we have the Iranian hostage crisis.
00:28:07.000We had, We're planes getting shot down, things like that.
00:28:12.000And I think a lot of people wanted some sort of payoff for that.
00:28:30.000And it will never really go away until people who have been craving that for decades either die off or get their payoff.
00:28:36.000Tyler, what do you make of the generational difference that the older that you are, the more likely it seems that you're open to dropping a nuke or boots on the ground?
00:28:45.000Talk about the age difference dynamic here.
00:28:47.000Well, I actually think it's really interesting, too.
00:28:49.000Just, again, we bring in the Russia issue, which is, you know, what is the outcome if you do some kind of massive drop into Iran?
00:29:04.000What's the outcome going to look like with Turkey, your Turkish relationship, your Russian relationship, obviously the conflict that's happening there?
00:29:13.000What does that do for American day-to-day life outside of the immense amount of life lost that we've discussed?
00:29:23.000We're talking about the impacts that we would have with gas and everything else.
00:29:27.000It is absolutely insane what would happen.
00:29:33.000Everywhere I'm going, I'm just getting beeping in the background here.
00:29:38.000But I think the older generation, as they're thinking about everything else that we see, activists on the ground, which are the loudest that we hear, especially within the Republican Party, they're just completely detached from what this would mean for younger people.
00:30:00.000And what their day-to-day impact would look like right away with how they live their lives, what the cost would be, because largely older people are pretty much taken care of.
00:30:10.000It's the younger people that would feel the brunt of things.
00:30:14.000And on top of that, you're talking about the draft.
00:30:18.000You're talking about, you know, who would actually be sent the massive operation to backfill our military.
00:30:27.000I just don't know that there's a single person over the age of maybe 55 that is thinking about this in the same way that now the majority of our population is thinking about it, and definitely Republican voters.
00:30:40.000Well, so what other dynamics are we missing here, Blake or Jack, on this conversation that are important that people should know about?
00:30:48.000I was going to say, you do have the age.
00:30:52.000That you mentioned you have how people get their media, how people get their news.
00:30:58.000Some people, you know, and this came up with like Tucker and Ted Cruz.
00:31:02.000Some people have religious differences on this, saying that, you know, some people say they they look at Ted Cruz cited Genesis and said, you know, this is why we have to do this.
00:31:13.000And that sort of has ignited this massive debate online that I'm seeing as well.
00:31:19.000So, I mean, look, when you're talking about anything involving the Holy Land, it's absolutely going to bring up religious beliefs, and in some cases, conflicting religious beliefs.
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00:32:38.000Blake, do we want to get into the Tucker and Ted Cruz thing?
00:32:41.000It got sent to me by people who are not even in this country, who don't usually always follow U.S. It's the biggest thing on the internet right now.
00:32:48.000It's the biggest thing on the entire internet.
00:32:50.000Yeah, a ton of people saw the question about how many people live in Iran.
00:32:56.000I saw people say, when I watched the whole video, it was more evenly matched between Tucker and Ted, that Ted occasionally got Tucker's sort of back off, or he got in some good blows.
00:33:06.000But what went by far the most viral, we can play it if you want, was, let's play clip 416.
00:33:13.000How many people living around, by the way?
00:34:22.000Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.
00:34:24.000Well, you're breaking news here because the U.S. government last night denied, the National Security Council spokesman Alex Pfeiffer denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity at all.
00:34:48.000I want to highlight for people why that question about like the ethnic makeup and population is so resonant is when we invaded Iraq.
00:34:56.000One of the most amazing things is apparently even before we invaded Iraq, a large number of people in the Bush administration, possibly including Bush himself.
00:35:05.000They did not know the difference between Sunni and Shia Muslims.
00:35:10.000And Iraq is like one of the only countries where there's a large number of both.
00:35:14.000And Saddam was from the Sunni minority.
00:35:27.000They were unaware of that fundamental split in Iraqi society and what that would mean or how the Shia majority would have close ties with Iran because they're one of the only places that has other Shia Muslims.
00:35:55.000And so that's why it's very relevant to ask that.
00:35:58.000One of the things I've heard said about Iran is one of the reasons they're relatively tolerant of the handful of Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians that they have in Iran is actually no one there has it worse than the tiny Sunni minority they have in Iran because they're heretics.
00:36:16.000They are the true infidels against proper Islam.
00:36:21.000If you're not aware of that, you just realize we could walk into this thing where you can just step on a landmine and you have no idea where any of them are buried because you don't know what you're doing.
00:36:32.000Jack, your thoughts on the thermonuclear viral conversation?
00:36:41.000But what what's really struck me as much as the conversation itself and a lot of these questions that I'm just going to say, you don't hear these types of questions on Fox News.
00:38:21.000I haven't gone to the social media thing because I just think it's, everyone's fighting right now and like, blessed are the peacemakers and I'm trying to like, I don't know, figure out what the hell's going on in Iran.
00:38:29.000We will have to be a party after this.
00:38:31.000Yeah, and I'm also just, I don't know, I think there's, so I just, I wasn't interested in that.
00:38:35.000But the one thing, I will say this though.
00:38:56.000Growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.
00:39:04.000And from my perspective, I want to be on the blessing side of things.
00:39:07.000Of those who bless the government of Israel?
00:39:10.000Those who bless Israel is what it says.
00:39:11.000It doesn't say the government of, it says the nation of Israel.
00:40:21.000The word Israel is not in Genesis 12.3.
00:40:24.000However, it does say This is God's covenant with Abram before he became Abraham.
00:40:30.000I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and all the peoples of the earth will be blessed through you.
00:40:36.000So yes, eventually that does mean the Jewish people and the people of Israel.
00:40:40.000Now Ted's theological view I'm actually somewhat sympathetic to.
00:40:46.000But he just, Ted, here's the way you should say it next time.
00:40:48.000Tucker, I don't anticipate you to agree with me theologically.
00:40:51.000So let's just talk about this geopolitically.
00:40:53.000But we, in our specific camp, believe that the reconstitution of the state of Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy in Ezekiel 36 that I will graft you from around the world and I'll scatter you and bring you back into a nation.
00:41:08.000But that's not the most relevant thing.
00:41:11.000Genesis 12.3 and Ezekiel 36 is actually a better theological argument than Genesis 12.3 because Genesis 12.3 is like, well, what is Israel and Catholics?
00:41:21.000It's fine, I don't want to get into it.
00:41:22.000You know, it's the church and it's, you know, it's the Jewish people.
00:41:26.000And it's like the Ezekiel argument for those of us that are sympathetic is a much stronger argument.
00:41:33.000But it should have just been diffusing instead.
00:41:35.000Ted was almost getting, in my opinion, I have a lot of respect for Ted, he was almost like, this is what Christianity believes.
00:41:41.000Do you notice whenever I talk about it, I say, this is just a theological interpretation I'm sympathetic to.
00:41:46.000That's a much better way to approach it than just saying, like, this is doctrine.
00:41:51.000And so there are closed-hand issues and open-hand issues in Christianity.
00:41:55.000Closed-hand issues are ones that, if you do not believe this, you're not a Christian.
00:42:07.000Which is like eschatology or what is Israel?
00:42:10.000And that's the way I wish you would have explained it.
00:42:13.000Instead, here's what drove me the most crazy.
00:42:15.000Is it made anybody like myself that has this kind of view that God has a plan and prophecy very well might be unfolding seem as if we're like...
00:42:34.000This is a very common belief abroad that the only reason conservatives in the U.S. are sympathetic to Israel is they'll just be like, oh, it's just because they think it will bring about the end of the world to build the third temple.
00:42:48.000Or they just think that the Bible requires them to just do whatever Israel tells them to do.
00:43:01.000People who support Israel, including pretty aggressively, do it because they think it is good for the United States or represents good values, that Israel is civilization, Israel is Western, and they're in conflict with this, you know, barbaric country.
00:43:19.000And so my whole point is that And it should be closed-hand Christianity issues, right?
00:43:30.000So, for example, if all of a sudden Tucker and Ted were debating whether or not Bethlehem should be bombed, okay?
00:43:41.000A closed-hand issue is like, don't bomb it because Jesus was born there, right?
00:43:46.000That's a good reason to introduce theology into geopolitics, right?
00:43:50.000Now, if you're going to do that, which, again, Jack Hibbs would be, like, super equipped to do this.
00:43:54.000A friend of mine, he's, like, not super well.
00:43:56.000But it's just kind of what it, unfortunately, what it did is it played into a stereotype that, like, they're using Christianity and they don't even know, like, the fundamental, the elemental scripture.
00:44:08.000And I think, actually, Ted made some really good points later in the argument, later in the whole kind of dialogue, that I think were missed in some of the online back and forth.
00:44:19.000The world is waking up to the power of gold.
00:44:21.000National banks are scrambling to secure it.
00:44:24.000According to the World Gold Council, central banks added 1,000 tons of gold in 2024.
00:44:31.000The third straight year of net gold buying.
00:44:33.000They understand what many investors don't.
00:45:02.000And right now, when you make a qualified investment, Jack, what would you say?
00:45:22.000I have a lot of pastors that I'm trying to tell.
00:45:26.000Would you say Gen Z's view of Israel, has it improved or gotten worse because of this interview?
00:45:37.000Well, there's a multi-layered question there because Gen Z's view of Israel has already been quite negative, and that's not because of this interview.
00:45:49.000Particularly because of the images that they see coming out of Gaza every day on TikTok that are just going up and down all over the place.
00:45:57.000You know, here's this bombing, here's this that bombing, another hospital, et cetera, et cetera.
00:46:01.000And I'm not going to get into the efficacy of that or, you know, whether whether or not that's that's true or all the rest of it.
00:46:15.000It's already preset to be quite negative.
00:46:18.000Then they see Israel launching this attack on Iran one week ago, give or take, I think a week and a day ago, and saying, well, here's Netanyahu again taking off another bomb, picking another fight, even when he hasn't finished his first fight because of political issues at home.
00:46:35.000And then this interview comes around on top of it to say, well, here's a politician who And then they see Ted Cruz and he's making these arguments.
00:47:00.000And I say, hey, Charlie, you know, it's confusing for someone who doesn't know all of the backstory or someone who hasn't read the Bible or someone who, you know, it's like, what's the citation?
00:47:10.000Can you even explain what you're talking about?
00:47:15.000So no, I think if you're someone who is a supporter of Israel, and you're looking at this, it's not going the way you want.
00:47:22.000Just to be clear, like, Like, that's basically what, like, because it's just, you kind of get found out and exposed, and it just, like, because his, here's the reason.
00:47:40.000He was like, well, as a Christian in Sunday school, I was told that we must do this.
00:47:56.000And it makes sense not just from a—because we're not just talking about theological, right?
00:48:00.000We're talking about effective communication.
00:48:03.000And so in effective communication, and if you're trying to communicate an idea to someone, then you really need to know it inside out because that person is going to ask you questions about it and perhaps challenge you on your view.
00:48:15.000And so if you're going to use effective communication, you have to think, okay, where is that person at?
00:48:35.000So effective communication always means you have to be able to explain yourself.
00:48:39.000And if you don't, then you are going to run the risk of what I think happened here is making yourself and whoever side you are taking look really bad.
00:48:50.000So, just to kind of put a cap, let me just play one more piece of tape here from this debate.
00:48:55.000I actually enjoyed, I encourage everyone, if you have an opinion on the Tucker-Ted exchange, listen to the entire thing, because I really believe that Ted actually made some really good points at times.
00:49:10.000I think some of the clips put him in a bad light, and honestly, as U.S. Senator, you should know the population, the top three, like, you should know.
00:51:10.000It's kind of weird not to say that, but you don't seem able to say that.
00:51:14.000So, Blake, for the audience that's listening to this for the first time, what is the cultural impact of such an interview like this right now?
00:51:28.000Like I said, it's an interview that was over an hour long.
00:51:31.000It's a quite long, sustained interview that hits on a lot of topics.
00:51:35.000But the nature of media these days is the vast majority of people, 99% of people who see anything from this interview, will probably see those two clips.
00:51:46.000They'll see the Mossad spying clip, and they'll see the Bible clip that we saw.
00:51:54.000So they'll see a handful of these things.
00:51:57.000And as we said, I think both of us agree, Cruz did better in the full interview, but it's a handful of really interested people who are seeing the full interview.
00:52:05.000And what can really set the cultural zeitgeist is the stuff that goes viral with other people and that question about population that I got sent by people in other countries.
00:52:20.000I think the impression, if you are coming in very superficially, is, wow, there are people in the U.S. who want to do regime change in Iran or intervention in Iran, and they don't know that much about Iran.
00:52:32.000And it fits into a script we have, because we know the U.S. has gone in without enough information into Iraq, into Libya.
00:52:42.000It fits a mental image that people already have in their head, and that makes it more powerful, I think.
00:52:48.000And it has a great ability to set the tone for it.
00:52:55.000So I would not be surprised if whatever ultimate decision we reach, if that meaningfully lowered the odds that we go into Iran because it's going to shift how people are talking about it.
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00:55:10.000Do we have a clip of the flagrant foul?
00:55:12.000And then a minute and a half later, a girl that we've never heard of before, Sophie Cunningham, comes out and just throws the other team to the ground and just starts a New York Piston-style brawl.
00:57:14.000I mean, look, I'll be honest, like, Caitlin Clark is growing on me because we know why this is happening, obviously.
00:57:19.000I mean, they're mad that, like, a Midwestern white girl who's very wholesome and is straight and has a boyfriend has become, like, the face of the WNBA and, like, nobody cared before.
00:57:28.000But now there's two faces of the WNBA.
00:57:30.000Let's put up the picture here in the thought crime chat of Caitlin Clark and her bodyguard, Sophie Cunningham.
00:57:46.000You've got the Pacers now going to Game 7. You had the Ron Artest, Malice in the Palace.
00:57:52.000you have Sophie Cunningham who used to play for the Mercury.
00:57:54.000I just, the only thing I regretting, I wish this was the actual Mercury.
00:57:59.000So we had a reason to go to Mercury games because it is so impossible to watch WNBA games with the amount of, We may have now a reason to go watch the WNBA, and I actually think they should insert new rules.
01:01:56.000A lot of people are now pushing for Caitlin Clark to leave the WNBA because they're trying to basically push her out is what they're trying to do.
01:02:04.000Do they have the conceit that she could play in the regular NBA?
01:03:59.000And he'll be on his phone and he'll be watching a stream, not even of the fever, he'll be watching a dumpster game between the two worst teams in the league that are out of the playoffs, but he's riveted to it.
01:04:11.000He'll start babbling to us about the stats of these players and he'll be like, this rebounder who plays for the Miami Sun, she's better than Dennis Rodman and he's watching the women's basketball.
01:05:31.000Charlie, you had a whole thing this week about going to college for your MRS. I think all of this, even the fighting and the rest of it, gets into this question about gender roles in our society and what we're pushing people towards.