The Charlie Kirk Show - August 12, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 9 — Civil War Now? Prager on Porn? Sign the Pledge?

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Jack Posobiec and Tyler Boyer join host Alex Blumberg to discuss the latest in the Trump/RNC Debates, including whether or not Donald Trump should sign a pledge to support the party s eventual nominee.

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00:01:32.000 Okay, everybody, welcome.

00:01:33.000 It is Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:36.000 That's the first time we said that.

00:01:37.000 It kind of works.

00:01:38.000 We have Blake Knaff, who I think liberals and conservatives equally hate.

00:01:43.000 Tyler Boyer.

00:01:44.000 Hey, how are you doing?

00:01:44.000 We went from getting more popular every week to hated by everyone now.

00:01:48.000 And Blake, your stock is going down like the Hindenburg.

00:01:52.000 And Jack Posobic, still learning who he is.

00:01:55.000 Jack, we'll lead with you.

00:01:56.000 How are things going?

00:01:58.000 I love what Blake's long term strategy is here.

00:02:01.000 He wants each quadrant of the political compass to hate him equally. 0.71

00:02:06.000 And somewhere in the middle, he'll find a woman. 0.68

00:02:09.000 It's like the Geraldo Rivera strategy. 0.80

00:02:13.000 Exactly.

00:02:13.000 It's the Undertaker strategy, loved by few.

00:02:16.000 And hey, Geraldo doesn't love like five, six.

00:02:18.000 He's doing great.

00:02:19.000 But it's very necessary.

00:02:21.000 Okay, let's start with our first story today on the lineup.

00:02:24.000 I don't think we have much of a.

00:02:25.000 Oh, yeah, okay.

00:02:26.000 The RNC is once again trying to get Trump to sign a pledge to support the party's eventual nominee.

00:02:31.000 Even if it's not him, Trump doesn't seem interested.

00:02:33.000 Is he making the right move?

00:02:34.000 I'll take my take first, and then Jack, you can, I'll hand off the baton.

00:02:38.000 These pledges by the RNC, Are so irrelevant, they're non binding, they're so fake, and Trump not wanting to sign it.

00:02:46.000 I just think he reasserts control that it is his party and also shows that the RNC doesn't mean anything.

00:02:51.000 Jack Posobic, your thoughts.

00:02:54.000 So, I think a lot of these pledges are kind of silly at this point because we all know the situation that we're in in the party.

00:03:03.000 You've got these two wings fighting it out, and in many ways, MAGA itself represents a real third party in America, it just happens to be within.

00:03:15.000 The Republican Party within the framework of the Republican Party, fighting for dominance within that party.

00:03:21.000 And so, this idea that, oh, we're all going to be kumbaya, really?

00:03:24.000 Does that mean that Mitt Romney is going to come out and support Trump when he wins the nomination?

00:03:28.000 Does that mean that all the Republicans that are going to do, you know, run against him and they're not going to undercut Trump? 0.96

00:03:36.000 It's ridiculous. 0.92

00:03:37.000 They're already undercutting him. 0.59

00:03:39.000 The New York Times has got the Federalist Society putting out articles today saying, oh, Donald Trump, the conservative case for disqualifying Trump.

00:03:47.000 Trump from the ballot in November. 0.92

00:03:50.000 And so I think it's ridiculous. 0.99

00:03:51.000 I think the entire pledge is ridiculous. 0.96

00:03:52.000 I don't think he should sign it. 0.80

00:03:54.000 And the fact that Trump was the first person ever in Republican politics to say and just raise his hand and say, I will not support the eventual nominee, that's the reason he won.

00:04:05.000 Tyler, you are on the RNC.

00:04:06.000 What's going on here?

00:04:08.000 Yeah, I mean, look, so I agree with half of what Jack said, and I disagree with the other half.

00:04:13.000 And I'll tell you the other half that I disagree with.

00:04:15.000 So I agree with the latter half.

00:04:16.000 Guess which half?

00:04:17.000 Next question.

00:04:17.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:18.000 I agree with the latter half, which is that Donald Trump should not, in no way, shape, or form, sign.

00:04:23.000 I'm a member of the RNC.

00:04:25.000 They're probably going to like try to kick me off the RNC for saying this, probably, but I don't think that Donald Trump should sign the pledge. 1.00

00:04:31.000 I think the pledge is stupid. 1.00

00:04:34.000 These things are idiotic. 1.00

00:04:35.000 Exactly what Trump came out and said is exactly right. 1.00

00:04:38.000 I wouldn't support half these people on the stage.

00:04:40.000 Like, who would support, you know, some of these guys like Chris Christie?

00:04:44.000 I would not support Chris Christie.

00:04:45.000 Personally, I would never support Mike Pence.

00:04:47.000 I would never support a pledge to support Mike Pence.

00:04:50.000 So, like, no, why would you sign that?

00:04:52.000 That shouldn't be a qualifier to get on the stage.

00:04:54.000 Now, the only part I'll disagree with, and it's just kind of a minor disagreement, is that there are I actually don't think there are three parties in the country.

00:05:03.000 There isn't a uniparty third party.

00:05:05.000 There isn't a MAGA third party.

00:05:08.000 There's us versus the left.

00:05:10.000 And the left is the uniparty.

00:05:12.000 And I hate when people are like, oh, the uniparty is like this third party coming up the middle.

00:05:16.000 And everyone has to be moderate.

00:05:18.000 This is what they want to do with ranked choice voting they're trying to produce this moderate middle that's non existent.

00:05:24.000 It's the left, the globalist left that hates you, hates America, hates everything that America stands for. 0.50

00:05:33.000 And it's Americans.

00:05:34.000 And there's a lot of Democrats that are figuring this out and they're switching over.

00:05:39.000 And so the party has to become the party of freedom and not relent to what is the Uniparty, which is the left, which is what people say all the time.

00:05:49.000 There's no difference between Republicans and Democrats when the Uniparty is in control.

00:05:53.000 The Uniparty is not in control right now.

00:05:56.000 I love that you just brought up ranked choice, but real quick, that you brought up ranked choice voting because I just saw recently there's a legal filing because they've considered ranked choice voting in DC.

00:06:05.000 And obviously, they're trying to get ranked choice voting in every single red state, every Republican jurisdiction.

00:06:10.000 And then it comes up in D.C., and there's a legal filing that's like, we can't have ranked choice voting, guys, because it's too confusing to Democratic voters.

00:06:18.000 It will keep them from electing Democrats.

00:06:20.000 No, it said somewhere, this will confuse African American voters. 0.94

00:06:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:24.000 It's like minority voters.

00:06:25.000 So it said minority voters.

00:06:27.000 So literally, they're admitting straight up in San Francisco, where it's not working, in Vermont, where they kicked it out, in D.C., the most Democrat.

00:06:37.000 Areas in America, they're admitting this is not good for minority voters because it limits people's access to the ballot.

00:06:44.000 And it's just, and they've done this before.

00:06:46.000 They did it.

00:06:48.000 Eric Holder once sued a town in, I think, North Carolina that tried to do nonpartisan elections because they said, like, this would keep, this will confuse black people because then they won't know who the Democrat is.

00:06:58.000 And it is the constitutional right of black people to vote for the Black People Party, which is the Democratic Party.

00:07:04.000 That was the argument from Holder.

00:07:06.000 But bring this back in.

00:07:07.000 So bring this back in with ranked choice voting.

00:07:09.000 The whole point of ranked choice voting.

00:07:10.000 They want to create this third party middle ground.

00:07:15.000 It's not a third party, guys.

00:07:17.000 It is us versus them.

00:07:18.000 They want to create a controllable falsetto.

00:07:22.000 There's a radical left that still dresses normally, basically.

00:07:28.000 But on the pledge thing, just to get it really back to what the alleged topic is, the thing that's really dumb about it is we literally did this seven years ago, guys, when they were all like, Trump has to sign the pledge.

00:07:39.000 Can we just dwell? 0.99

00:07:42.000 I just love how the RNC is being made a mockery of all their stupid debate rules. 0.99

00:07:47.000 Oh, we're going to have 40,000 donors. 0.99

00:07:48.000 Meanwhile, Doug Bergam, I'm going to give people $20 gift cards if they give me $1.

00:07:53.000 I bought headphones with that and it was amazing.

00:07:55.000 No, I'm a big supporter.

00:07:56.000 A lot of our audience got $19 richer, okay, off of this whole gift card thing.

00:08:01.000 Amazon got $19 richer after I used the money that he gave me.

00:08:05.000 However, I just, this is typical RNC where they were like, well, how do we make sure we do not have a debate circus?

00:08:13.000 I know, we'll make sure you have 40,000 donors and we'll make sure that you sign a loyalty pledge.

00:08:19.000 And by the way, you're trying to tell me if Donald Trump doesn't sign the loyalty pledge.

00:08:23.000 Ronna McDaniel is going to be like, I'm sorry, sir, you're not allowed to come up on stage.

00:08:27.000 Like, she's going to stand up to Trump after they're like groveling because he hasn't signed a piece of paper.

00:08:32.000 It shows how illegitimate the RNC has become.

00:08:35.000 Tyler, RNC member, you're fine.

00:08:37.000 They sent Fox to Mar a Lago to beg.

00:08:40.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:08:42.000 I'm sorry.

00:08:43.000 They sent Fox to Bedminster.

00:08:45.000 That's even worse, honestly.

00:08:47.000 Like, they went to Bedminster, right?

00:08:49.000 To grovel and say, Trump, please, we'll do anything.

00:08:55.000 Are you kidding me?

00:08:56.000 Hey, I have some money.

00:08:57.000 Well, the RNC needs, and this is the funny part.

00:08:57.000 The RNC, right?

00:09:00.000 Like, if you want to put broader context here to this, the RNC needs the money from Fox right now.

00:09:06.000 Like, desperately needs the money from Fox right now.

00:09:10.000 Fox needs the viewers.

00:09:11.000 And Fox needs the viewers.

00:09:12.000 So everyone is like, Trump has lined this thing up where he's the one that's like literally queuing everybody up here.

00:09:19.000 He's so smart.

00:09:20.000 He's playing them like a pledge.

00:09:21.000 He's so good at this.

00:09:22.000 And this is the reason why he shouldn't sign the pledge and he shouldn't go to this first debate.

00:09:26.000 He shouldn't, I don't think he should go to any debate.

00:09:27.000 It's just so insane to me.

00:09:29.000 Like, again, the repetitiveness.

00:09:30.000 Like, I remember in 2015, they're all like, everyone's got to sign the pledge.

00:09:33.000 And you have these candidates coming out and making the show like, I'm loyal.

00:09:37.000 I signed the pledge.

00:09:38.000 Why won't Trump?

00:09:39.000 And then the following spring, when it's clear Trump is going to win, they start backing off and they're all like, I don't know.

00:09:44.000 But I have to also remind you guys Chris Christie came out a couple weeks ago and said, I will sign the pledge, but I don't mean it.

00:09:50.000 You know, he said that, right?

00:09:51.000 Yeah.

00:09:51.000 He just said, Chris Christie said, I will sign whatever it takes to get me on stage, but I am not going to actually do what the piece of paper says.

00:09:59.000 It shows the RNC has zero enforcement mechanism.

00:10:02.000 They're just like, okay, yeah, okay.

00:10:04.000 Do you have your 40,000 donors?

00:10:06.000 By the way, are they actually auditing whether or not anyone has 40,000 donors?

00:10:10.000 There's no way.

00:10:11.000 They can't even take me off the RNC fundraising.

00:10:14.000 Perry Johnson, God bless him.

00:10:15.000 He was at our event.

00:10:16.000 He says he has 40,000 donors.

00:10:17.000 I mean, Mike Pence, I highly doubt Mike Pence.

00:10:19.000 And it's all organized by them.

00:10:20.000 So I don't think it would even be illegal for them to if they just lied about it, right?

00:10:25.000 Well, no, that's not illegal.

00:10:27.000 I mean, who knows?

00:10:28.000 We were having a conversation.

00:10:30.000 We were having conversations before our.

00:10:33.000 Are because, like, what the heck is legal or illegal?

00:10:35.000 It's like if you breathe in the wrong direction with a MAGA head on, you're going to federal prison for 10 years.

00:10:39.000 But it's you know, I can't even pinpoint it.

00:10:42.000 The RNC has become so illegitimate, they're such a laughing stock that Chris Christie says, I'll sign your piece of paper, and I don't mean it.

00:10:49.000 Trump has not signed the piece of paper.

00:10:51.000 And but the real truth, Jack, the real question, Jack Posobic, is can we?

00:10:56.000 I want to see Mike Pence's voter file, I do, uh, donor file.

00:10:59.000 I do not believe he has 40,000 donors.

00:11:01.000 Did he give out some gift cards that we were unaware of, Jack?

00:11:04.000 Was there some sort of Mike Pence?

00:11:06.000 No.

00:11:06.000 Gift card scheme?

00:11:09.000 There was this article back when Hillary ran in 2008, and Rush Limbaugh used to talk about it all the time.

00:11:16.000 And I think it was the New York Times had found it. 0.91

00:11:18.000 This is when all of these Chinatown, like just residents of Chinatown in San Francisco, New York City, were maxing out to Hillary Clinton all over the place. 0.88

00:11:28.000 And then the New York Times was like, oh, that's great. 0.51

00:11:31.000 They actually went and looked up some of the people, and they found that it was like busboys and people like, Washing dishes.

00:11:37.000 And they said, Oh, that's fine.

00:11:39.000 They're, you know, they're scrimping together and they're saving all so they can max out to Hillary Clinton.

00:11:43.000 And Rush was like, No, it's very obvious what's going on here. 0.72

00:11:47.000 There's members of the Chinese Communist Party that are walking around in New York City and San Francisco, handing them the money and telling them to hand it to Hillary Clinton. 0.75

00:11:55.000 I think that's what Pence is up to.

00:11:57.000 Pence has got a Chinese money laundering scheme.

00:11:59.000 I'm not saying he's coming from China, but I'm saying he's probably using straw donors or something like that in order to get himself up to the 40,000 limit.

00:12:08.000 That's a bold claim.

00:12:09.000 I just want to see the donor file.

00:12:11.000 I want to know how he got to 40,000.

00:12:14.000 I just, that really is not.

00:12:17.000 I'm told we should play Cut 114.

00:12:17.000 Okay, so let's play.

00:12:20.000 George, I'll be on the debate stage and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago.

00:12:28.000 When he signed the pledge, as Ryan's previous went up there and begged him to do it, and then on the first debate stage, he didn't raise his hand to say he would support the nominate.

00:12:37.000 I will do whatever I have to do, George, to be on that stage and to be able to make the case to the American people that there is a need for new leadership.

00:12:45.000 And I'll take the pledge just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago.

00:12:48.000 So you're saying you're going to take the pledge, but you don't really mean it?

00:12:52.000 No, what I'm saying, George, is that I'm going to do exactly what the RNC has set us up to do.

00:12:58.000 Eight years ago, Donald Trump signed the pledge and then absolutely disregarded it in the first debate, and there was absolutely no penalty for that.

00:13:05.000 I'm going to do whatever I need to do to save my party and save my country.

00:13:10.000 I mean, he's not going to do anything that he needs to do because there's one obvious thing that he should have done.

00:13:14.000 There's an obvious thing.

00:13:15.000 Yeah, which is fixing BMI.

00:13:19.000 Well, that gives you a sense.

00:13:20.000 Maybe it's part of his plan.

00:13:21.000 Maybe.

00:13:22.000 He can't get on the debate stage, but he can sort of make the debate orbit him.

00:13:28.000 Gravitational pull, gravitational or some sort of ramp or like a gurney of some sort to.

00:13:35.000 What bothers me the most about Chris Christie is every time he gets questioned about his weight, he acts like he's some victim.

00:13:40.000 I've struggled with this my entire life.

00:13:42.000 Is it some sort of sickness? 0.98

00:13:43.000 You're just lazy. 0.96

00:13:44.000 You don't have any diet discipline. 0.99

00:13:46.000 Christie, you're rich. 1.00

00:13:46.000 Here, pay someone to like weld you into a room for a month, and then we'll come back and we'll drop, you know. 1.00

00:13:55.000 Of multivitamin down a slot, and then we'll come back.

00:13:57.000 Let's play Cut 113.

00:13:58.000 I think we just know.

00:14:00.000 Oh, go ahead.

00:14:00.000 Go ahead.

00:14:01.000 He's a big talker when we're a few miles away from each other.

00:14:08.000 He's got a lot to say when he's got a phone in his hand posting something on social media.

00:14:16.000 We're going to know what he's really made of if we see whether he shows up two weeks from tonight or not on that stage, because I'll tell you one thing for sure.

00:14:26.000 I will be there and I am waiting for him.

00:14:29.000 And then we'll answer him.

00:14:36.000 Because where I grew up and the way I was raised was a man who has something to say to another man comes up to him and looks him in the eye and says it to him. 0.75

00:14:48.000 And a coward does the opposite.

00:14:52.000 So we'll see if the coward shows up two weeks from tonight in Milwaukee, but I will be there. 0.98

00:14:57.000 Yes. 0.75

00:15:00.000 There is no way that guy has 40,000 donors.

00:15:03.000 They're just lying.

00:15:05.000 I mean, the RNC is not auditing anything.

00:15:08.000 There's no way.

00:15:09.000 We know how much they're auditing.

00:15:10.000 When I'm in a restaurant, they just take the average human 40,000 to another man.

00:15:17.000 I had the same thought.

00:15:21.000 Cut 103.

00:15:22.000 He's eating right now.

00:15:24.000 He can't be bothered. 0.99

00:15:31.000 Sir, please do not call him a fat pig. 0.99

00:15:33.000 That's very distressing. 0.99

00:15:34.000 Don't call him.

00:15:37.000 See, I'm trying to be nice. 1.00

00:15:39.000 Don't call him a fat pig. 0.99

00:15:41.000 Jack, your thoughts. 0.99

00:15:43.000 So, you know, it's interesting to me because I'll say a couple of things.

00:15:48.000 I mean, right off the bat, we know there's at least one candidate on the campaign trail right now that is definitely not on Ozempic, and that is Chris Christie.

00:15:58.000 What if that's his plan? 0.58

00:16:01.000 He's going to show that he's powerful by defeating Ozempic. 0.82

00:16:04.000 He takes it and he will defeat Theo's MP.

00:16:07.000 The thing with Christie, though, is he, you know, he's lost a lot of the bluster, right?

00:16:13.000 There's one thing he's lost, it's not weight.

00:16:14.000 He's lost the bluster, he's lost the fight.

00:16:16.000 I don't hear any fire in the belly in terms of this.

00:16:19.000 And I say that as a guy.

00:16:20.000 I was at Chris Christie's victory party.

00:16:24.000 I was there in 2009 when he first ran.

00:16:26.000 We did volunteering over in New Jersey, came over from Pennsylvania.

00:16:30.000 A lot of history helping out on that campaign.

00:16:32.000 And you look at this guy, and I remember when he was the fighter, but that's not a fighter.

00:16:37.000 That sounds like a guy who doesn't want to be there.

00:16:39.000 That sounds like a guy that's not interested.

00:16:41.000 And here's the bottom line he's got no credibility.

00:16:44.000 He's got no credibility whatsoever or leverage within the conservative base.

00:16:48.000 Chris Christie, you're saying, oh, you're the big man of the party or something.

00:16:52.000 Where were you?

00:16:53.000 Where were you for all these years fighting to support MAGA, fighting to support America First, fighting to support the country?

00:17:00.000 And you're going to come out and say that you stand for them or something?

00:17:03.000 What have you done?

00:17:04.000 You've been silent for all these years.

00:17:06.000 And honestly, you sound like a jilted ex lover.

00:17:09.000 I don't want to think of that.

00:17:14.000 Go back to toe tapping off the Golden State Parkway.

00:17:19.000 So, final thoughts the RNC is irrelevant and rather illegitimate.

00:17:23.000 And so, do you think, over or under, you think Trump's going to debate, Blake?

00:17:28.000 I think he'll debate at least once.

00:17:29.000 I think he will probably skip the first one.

00:17:31.000 But I think he has that natural read on what makes people talk about him the most.

00:17:37.000 And there's got to be a scenario where he somehow ends up on the debate stage and just totally blows everyone away.

00:17:43.000 He has to remind everyone, like, wherever I go, I am the number one most important person.

00:17:47.000 And if he never shows up, the press will try to come up with this thing where they're like, oh, you know, we're getting Haley Mentum from the debate stage.

00:17:55.000 And they'll try to create a narrative.

00:17:57.000 And the best way to scuttle that is you just blow it up by having him show up once, obviously dominate the debate stage.

00:18:03.000 And then he doesn't need to show up again, probably.

00:18:07.000 Yeah, I think he doesn't need to show up to this first debate.

00:18:09.000 I think he needs to set the tone.

00:18:11.000 Yeah, I kind of agree.

00:18:13.000 I think Jack said this Charlie's on the no debate.

00:18:16.000 No, waste of time.

00:18:17.000 Jack's on the one no debate and then the rest of the debates.

00:18:22.000 You're on all debates.

00:18:23.000 One debate.

00:18:24.000 Show up at one.

00:18:24.000 Oh, you're showing up at one debate and then never show up again.

00:18:26.000 I think that'll probably be what he will do.

00:18:28.000 And I think that strategically probably makes the most sense.

00:18:30.000 I think he's going to try to.

00:18:31.000 I think he's going to end up doing zero, one, and then zero.

00:18:33.000 He'll show up to one because it will help his fundraising.

00:18:36.000 He'll do one.

00:18:37.000 I think he should show up to the one in California because he's, you know why he's going to?

00:18:42.000 He's not going to show up to Milwaukee because YAF is co sponsoring it.

00:18:46.000 It's a Pence organization.

00:18:48.000 He's going to show up to the Reagan Library.

00:18:49.000 You know why?

00:18:51.000 Because Kevin McCarthy's going to ask him to, and he's going to do it.

00:18:55.000 And then he's not going to show up again.

00:18:57.000 But I also think Trump has good memories at the Reagan Library when he destroyed every single one of these people's careers.

00:19:02.000 That was the place.

00:19:05.000 The first debate was just kind of about Megyn Kelly, and you had John Kasich choping down. 1.00

00:19:10.000 Holy Rosie O'Donnell. 1.00

00:19:12.000 That's right.

00:19:12.000 I was there.

00:19:13.000 And Megyn Kelly was sick. 0.96

00:19:15.000 Literally, she was actually physically sick at the time.

00:19:16.000 It's an interesting part of the story.

00:19:18.000 The Reagan Library was like when all of them, so they had a couple weeks of prep.

00:19:23.000 And they go back, and all their consultants gave him these one liners.

00:19:26.000 Scott Walker, he thought he was like a tough guy, and he said, Well, we don't need an apprentice in the White House.

00:19:36.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 Like, that is so perfect.

00:19:38.000 Is that the one?

00:19:40.000 How many of those lines?

00:19:42.000 It's like a drive by on Rand Paul out of nowhere.

00:19:47.000 How many of those lines do you think that DeSantis team has planned right now?

00:19:50.000 Oh my God.

00:19:51.000 They probably got a million of those lines because a lot of this is the same, you know, a lot of the infrastructure from Ted Cruz that's come over.

00:19:58.000 It's those same type of guys.

00:19:59.000 They're going to say, but he gave Fauci a medal.

00:20:03.000 He gave Fauci a medal.

00:20:04.000 Don't forget the Fauci medal.

00:20:05.000 Don't forget this.

00:20:07.000 He's going to say, oh, warp speed, warp speed.

00:20:09.000 We need a guy who's ready to drive at American speed, not warp speed. 0.92

00:20:13.000 It's going to be some ridiculous one liner telling you.

00:20:16.000 Has one of these one liners ever succeeded in Trump's ever? 0.90

00:20:21.000 And that's because if he's alpha.

00:20:23.000 In 1996.

00:20:24.000 Well, yeah, I mean.

00:20:25.000 Where's the beef?

00:20:26.000 1996.

00:20:27.000 What about where's the beef?

00:20:30.000 When it was Clinton Dole.

00:20:33.000 And Bob Dole was going on and on and on about the attacks on Clinton.

00:20:39.000 And keep in mind, this is even prior to Lewinsky, but he was doing some of the personal character attacks.

00:20:44.000 And then Clinton just kind of looks at him and goes, No attack has ever put food in the mouth of a hungry child, something like that.

00:20:54.000 And back in the 90s, that was kind of all you needed to do to show, oh, and the entire media is fawning over him.

00:21:01.000 Oh, and he plays the saxophone.

00:21:02.000 He's got a wonderful wife who definitely doesn't kill people that are her political enemies.

00:21:07.000 Liabilities.

00:21:08.000 No, no, no.

00:21:08.000 We love them.

00:21:09.000 They're so wonderful.

00:21:11.000 To close the thought, though, I think that at the Reagan Library is an interesting dynamic, though.

00:21:17.000 The only thing that Trump won't like about it is extremely limited seating.

00:21:22.000 And that's all bad guys.

00:21:24.000 It's all going to be bad guys.

00:21:26.000 It's going to be Vichy French, lobbyists, warmongers, which actually Trump might enjoy.

00:21:33.000 His best debate was the one that was South Carolina, everyone against him.

00:21:36.000 I know, but there is this dynamic where Trump wants to debate in front of like 50,000 people.

00:21:40.000 Right.

00:21:41.000 Well, yeah, he brought it up in that debate.

00:21:42.000 He said, like, I don't, they didn't let any of my people in.

00:21:46.000 But here was my advice to the Trump campaign publicly and privately.

00:21:49.000 My advice was if you're going to debate, just call your own time, place, and manner.

00:21:53.000 Be like, you know what?

00:21:54.000 I'll debate you at UFC at 11 p.m. on Saturday night before the final.

00:21:58.000 And like, just like in my own place, they need you.

00:22:03.000 Forget the RNC, waste of time.

00:22:04.000 Okay.

00:22:05.000 You could literally be like, you know what?

00:22:06.000 Meet me in Lubbock, Texas, and they'll all fly there.

00:22:10.000 Right.

00:22:10.000 They'll all just like come because their only path is to try to go after Trump.

00:22:14.000 He could literally say, he could be like, you know what?

00:22:16.000 I'm doing it at Bedminster.

00:22:17.000 And like, everyone comes to Bedminster.

00:22:20.000 They would totally come, but they would like, forget all this like parameters and RNC stuff and Fox News.

00:22:26.000 By the way, it'd be like the most watched thing ever.

00:22:29.000 Get them to come to Bedminster and then just like blow them off and go to a McDonald's and buy McDonald's for a bunch of people and then like forget about it.

00:22:37.000 Or just like not show up.

00:22:40.000 It just shows how feckless and irrelevant the RNC has become.

00:22:43.000 Jack, final thoughts on this topic?

00:22:45.000 No, I was just going to.

00:22:45.000 I mean, obviously, Trump should debate at least once.

00:22:49.000 I think he should make sure that Tucker should be up there.

00:22:52.000 I think he's got to think about the general electorate, not just the primary electorate.

00:22:56.000 But, Charlie, to your point, there's precedent for that because that's exactly what Reagan did.

00:23:00.000 That's where we got that line I paid for this microphone, that he actually went, established his own debate, set up a new empire thing, and it was New Hampshire.

00:23:08.000 That's right.

00:23:09.000 Yeah.

00:23:10.000 And so, actually, Jack, I don't think it was a debate.

00:23:13.000 I think it was a forum.

00:23:14.000 But anyway, you're right.

00:23:15.000 It was a viral moment.

00:23:16.000 It was a forum.

00:23:17.000 Yes.

00:23:17.000 Because If you were paying for his microphone, it would be a debate.

00:23:19.000 But you're right.

00:23:20.000 And the other one, look, I mean, Donald Trump is the king of one liners.

00:23:22.000 We remember them all.

00:23:23.000 Like little Marco, Jeb, you keep on moving down the thing, you'd be in jail.

00:23:27.000 Like, I mean, he's the king of that.

00:23:28.000 And so there is an argument to be made, and Blake would definitely sympathize.

00:23:32.000 Like, put the lion in the arena for the right place, right time, devour them all.

00:23:37.000 He'll call them all names, and he's done.

00:23:39.000 He's just like, I am done.

00:23:40.000 I am finished.

00:23:42.000 It is done.

00:23:43.000 And by the way, if Trump is not there, do not be shocked if a Vake Ramaswamy just does amazing, destroys these people.

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00:25:11.000 Thank you, Jack.

00:25:12.000 Good job.

00:25:13.000 And I was just going through old pictures of the Iowa State Fair.

00:25:16.000 Actually, that's an interesting subtopic we could touch on really quickly, Tyler, before we get to Michigan.

00:25:20.000 We have a whole team in Iowa.

00:25:21.000 And I was just, can we have this picture up here?

00:25:22.000 I'll never forget.

00:25:23.000 So I went to the Iowa State Fair in 2015 with Tom Patrick.

00:25:27.000 May he rest in peace.

00:25:28.000 Because Tom was super interested by the Trump phenomenon at the time.

00:25:31.000 Tom was an amazing guy.

00:25:32.000 And very wealthy, very generous.

00:25:34.000 And he was like, I need to see this Trump thing uphand because he couldn't believe it, but he was starting to process it.

00:25:39.000 Then I remember we saw this firsthand.

00:25:40.000 Look at this picture.

00:25:41.000 Donald Trump shows up on a helicopter.

00:25:43.000 He's like, I'm going to give kids rides on a helicopter.

00:25:46.000 I remember that.

00:25:47.000 And he does a press conference with a bunch of just random children around him.

00:25:51.000 I mean, like, just.

00:25:52.000 He asked him if he was Batman.

00:25:53.000 Remember the one kid?

00:25:54.000 There's that viral clip.

00:25:55.000 The kid goes, Are you Batman?

00:25:57.000 And he just looks at the kid.

00:25:57.000 He's like, Yeah, yeah, I'm Batman.

00:25:59.000 It's one of the greatest things.

00:26:00.000 This is Trump doing a press conference.

00:26:02.000 This is he destroyed politics, which I think is why people love him.

00:26:05.000 There's no script.

00:26:06.000 There's no teleprompter.

00:26:07.000 It's a single microphone with just random kids throughout the state of Iowa around it.

00:26:13.000 And this is right after we did our event in Arizona.

00:26:16.000 This was not too long, a couple of weeks after.

00:26:18.000 That's right.

00:26:18.000 So, Tyler, tell us what's going on at the Iowa State Fair, really quick.

00:26:21.000 We have literally the largest presence of any conservative organization at the Iowa State Fair right now.

00:26:27.000 Is the RNC there?

00:26:29.000 Not to my knowledge.

00:26:30.000 We have our full time field staff.

00:26:33.000 We have incredible staff in Iowa.

00:26:35.000 We have our incredible staff in the Midwest.

00:26:37.000 All present and killing it at the Iowa State Fair.

00:26:40.000 We have a massive booth and you can read it.

00:26:43.000 I don't know if we can get a picture up.

00:26:44.000 I can send it over, but probably not on here.

00:26:47.000 But it says, Lead your precinct, lead your country.

00:26:49.000 And right now we are recruiting hundreds and upon hundreds of people to become precinct committeemen in the state of Iowa and also get involved with the caucuses.

00:26:58.000 So we're going to have, I think, thousands of people that we are now going to be motivating to make sure they get out to their caucuses across the state of Iowa so that we get the best possible result for a candidate come caucus.

00:27:09.000 Time here.

00:27:10.000 So let's 117.

00:27:12.000 Really great pull, Ryan.

00:27:13.000 Good job.

00:27:13.000 Play Cut 117.

00:27:14.000 Super fast.

00:27:15.000 Yes.

00:27:16.000 Mr. Trump.

00:27:17.000 Yes.

00:27:18.000 Are you Batman?

00:27:19.000 I am Batman.

00:27:21.000 It's just at that point, the primary was over.

00:27:23.000 We didn't, not all of us realized at the time it's over.

00:27:27.000 All right.

00:27:27.000 Okay.

00:27:28.000 So let's get to this Michigan thing.

00:27:30.000 We have lots of thoughts.

00:27:30.000 Blake is super interested to become further unpopular.

00:27:35.000 So, Blake, the floor is yours.

00:27:37.000 Okay.

00:27:37.000 Well, so there's a big story that went viral over the last day or so.

00:27:42.000 And it actually goes back to 2020.

00:27:44.000 It's Michigan stuff, obviously, one of the states that was heavily contested in the 2020 election.

00:27:49.000 And it's specifically this police report out of.

00:27:53.000 Muskegon County, I don't know if I mispronounced that, but I think it's Muskegon.

00:27:56.000 Muskegon County in Michigan.

00:27:58.000 It's the western part of Michigan near Grand Rapids.

00:28:01.000 And it's this police report where a county official calls the police and says, hey, we're getting all of these ballot applications dropped off.

00:28:10.000 I believe it's that you would send out a ballot application, send it in, and then they would mail you the ballot because they were doing all the mail ballots.

00:28:17.000 And one person is dropping off thousands of these, about 10,000 total, they estimated.

00:28:22.000 And Muskegon County's only got 175,000 people.

00:28:25.000 So if you Account for whose kids and everything.

00:28:28.000 It's like one out of every 13 voters in Muskegon County had this ballot application dropped off by one person.

00:28:35.000 And they're like, We're looking at them, and a lot of them seem really, really similar.

00:28:40.000 And so the cops go in and investigate.

00:28:42.000 They take a set of 40 of them.

00:28:44.000 It's not clear from the police report whether this is all the ones that were suspicious or if they just sort of took some examples to then look into it further.

00:28:52.000 And they start looking at them.

00:28:53.000 And they're like, Okay, well, one, a lot of these seem to have made up addresses that are not real addresses.

00:28:59.000 Some of them have the same signature and it doesn't match what's already on file because, again, these are ballot applications, so they often already had signatures on file for their voter registrations and such, and now they're different.

00:29:10.000 They start exploring this more and more, and they find one of the people whose name is here.

00:29:15.000 She says, Yeah, I filled out this form, but I didn't sign it.

00:29:18.000 I don't know who signed it or how it ever got to you.

00:29:21.000 They just find all these red flags, and then they go to the actual place of business where this is held.

00:29:26.000 It's a GBI Strategies, I think, is the name of the firm.

00:29:30.000 GBI strategies they investigate their place and they just find more strange things.

00:29:34.000 They find more ballot applications half finished.

00:29:37.000 They find uh eight firearms in pelican boxes, a mixture of semi automatic rifles and custom pistols, nothing wrong with suppressors like it's a James Bond movie or something.

00:29:50.000 And they were apparently legally owned guns, so I'm glad they're not doing illegal gun trafficking to our knowledge.

00:29:56.000 But they had these guns, and somewhere on a whiteboard, they had in a phrase and they didn't note what the purpose of this was, but someone wrote on a whiteboard like major topics.

00:30:05.000 Weapons in the field.

00:30:07.000 You know, maybe they meant like we need to be weapons in the field because we're going to go win the election for Brandon, who they weren't calling Brandon yet, but that's how ahead of the times they were.

00:30:17.000 And they were from the future.

00:30:18.000 Yeah, they were from the future.

00:30:20.000 And so it's just all these strange things.

00:30:23.000 And they're like, wow, this is pretty weird.

00:30:24.000 We better tell the Secretary of State about it.

00:30:26.000 The Secretary of State's a Democrat.

00:30:28.000 Or we could tell the FBI about it.

00:30:30.000 The FBI are Democrats.

00:30:32.000 And so that was kind of just, that's where it went.

00:30:35.000 That's kind of how it ended.

00:30:36.000 And so obviously the big picture thing is, Muskegon County by itself did not swing Michigan, but this company was active nationwide in a lot of different places.

00:30:45.000 They got, it looks like, many millions of dollars from the Democrats.

00:30:49.000 They were elsewhere in Michigan, they were in other states.

00:30:52.000 And if the fate of this investigation was we found all this weird stuff and then we just decided collectively we're not going to look at it anymore, how often did that happen in the incredibly fair election that was 2020?

00:31:06.000 So you weren't thrilled with the article, though.

00:31:08.000 I wasn't thrilled with the article because let me bring up the headline here.

00:31:13.000 What we've got is Gateway.

00:31:17.000 I like Gateway Pundit for the record.

00:31:19.000 I think they're great.

00:31:21.000 So I do.

00:31:22.000 I like Jim Hoff.

00:31:23.000 I've known him for a while.

00:31:24.000 They play a very important role in the movement.

00:31:27.000 I'm on the record saying that.

00:31:28.000 I like Gateway Pundit.

00:31:28.000 So what Gateway Pundit does.

00:31:30.000 Couldn't say more, speak more highly of Gateway Pundit, their role, the fact that Gateway Pundit, by the way, was there.

00:31:37.000 Even, I want to say they even got started before Breitbart.com got started.

00:31:41.000 No, they're great.

00:31:42.000 And they never give up.

00:31:43.000 They are relentless.

00:31:44.000 I like Gateway Pundit.

00:31:46.000 My issue with Gateway Pundit is one, I think many of the stories they.

00:31:46.000 I really do.

00:31:50.000 Publish are just not true.

00:31:51.000 And I think in the grand scheme of things, not true.

00:31:54.000 That's a ton of them aren't true.

00:31:57.000 We tried, Charlie.

00:31:57.000 We tried.

00:31:59.000 You just, that's how it is.

00:32:01.000 The essence of it is true.

00:32:03.000 They, they, they, they put, how do I best say this?

00:32:08.000 They, they are, they, they dress up the story in a way that makes you want to read it.

00:32:16.000 They're mind breathers over there.

00:32:17.000 Is that a way to say it, Jack?

00:32:19.000 They take a story and then they make it.

00:32:22.000 They make it so you want to click on it.

00:32:24.000 No different than BuzzFeed would.

00:32:27.000 It's a tactic.

00:32:27.000 They just use different tactics for true stories.

00:32:31.000 Well, again, I just think that they often like.

00:32:35.000 So they'll push.

00:32:36.000 One thing I disliked with this article is they loop it in with like the old footage from 2020 of like a van pulling up in, I think, Wayne County, Michigan to whatever center it was.

00:32:46.000 I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head.

00:32:48.000 But it's like, guys, that van, like, it's been discussed.

00:32:51.000 The van is not.

00:32:53.000 Someone dumping 200,000 votes out of nowhere to swing Michigan to Biden with these made up ballots.

00:32:58.000 And in fact, like Wayne County didn't even vote more for Biden than it did in 2016.

00:33:03.000 It was one of the only counties in Michigan that didn't.

00:33:04.000 Trump did great in Wayne County.

00:33:07.000 And they also kind of give it this number, 800,000.

00:33:10.000 They're like, this thing in Muskegon County proves 800,000 fake votes in Michigan.

00:33:17.000 And no, what it is is the Secretary of State, the former Republican Secretary of State for Michigan says, I believe up to 800,000.

00:33:25.000 Improper ballot applications were sent out.

00:33:28.000 So, this is a more interesting.

00:33:30.000 I don't, the specifics you might be right on.

00:33:32.000 But the reason they, go ahead, Jack.

00:33:34.000 I was going to say, the reason they picked that video is because that wasn't, I remember this from 2020, that was an exclusive video obtained by the Gateway Pundit.

00:33:41.000 So, I think all they're doing there is just referring back to their own reporting.

00:33:45.000 We do that at Postmillennial and Human Events every day.

00:33:48.000 Well, okay, but then they're referring back to a story that essentially didn't go anywhere and it actually proved to be a huge distraction.

00:33:54.000 And that's where I would critique this.

00:33:56.000 For the right, when we care a lot about election integrity.

00:34:00.000 And I think with a lot of cases, we get sort of carried away with believe every alleged case of election integrity or of election fraud.

00:34:09.000 When what would be much better for us as a party and a movement is if we could just decisively prove and get someone convicted, even on a single one, even if it doesn't change the result of the election.

00:34:19.000 If we put in a lot of resources to figure out exactly what happened in Muskegon County and found a criminal and convicted them, that would do a lot more than like, Really wild allegations of ballot mirrors or whatever that go nowhere.

00:34:31.000 My defense is not going to be as specific.

00:34:33.000 It will be more general of the Gateway Pundit, which is that there is a role for boundary pushing, headline grabbing type of journalism, publishing that does, let's just say, add an element of excitement and an element of sexiness.

00:34:52.000 At the same time, I agree we must always be anchored to the truth.

00:34:56.000 However, here's what I'll say The Gateway Pundit. 0.64

00:34:59.000 They will engage in what would be considered third race rail stories. 0.97

00:35:02.000 And I'm glad because there needs to be an organization that does that. 0.97

00:35:06.000 Sometimes you're going to come up empty, or sometimes you're going to find out that Epstein Island is legit.

00:35:11.000 So I think you would agree, Blake.

00:35:13.000 There is a place for the provocative, the boundary pushing.

00:35:16.000 Definitely.

00:35:17.000 But I guess I would say, what's the left wing equivalent of Gateway Pundit?

00:35:20.000 The New York Times.

00:35:21.000 But it's not.

00:35:22.000 It's just not.

00:35:22.000 Unfortunately, it's not.

00:35:23.000 I'd love that if it were true.

00:35:24.000 No, no.

00:35:25.000 The New York Times. 1.00

00:35:26.000 I'm being stupid. 0.99

00:35:27.000 They obviously paper things over. 0.99

00:35:28.000 Like, the New York Times, the thing about it is, the New York Times is a very biased outlet, but they're biased in what they choose to cover.

00:35:35.000 They're biased in how they frame everything.

00:35:37.000 It's like a very high level of bias.

00:35:39.000 Daily Beast, TP, Talking Points memo.

00:35:41.000 Yeah, they'd be more so, but even the Daily Beast is not going to just, like, wildly.

00:35:46.000 Like, I think, again, the headline here was, like, Proves mass ballot fraud in Michigan.

00:35:50.000 They would never tell you something.

00:35:51.000 The Daily Beast speculates constantly.

00:35:54.000 They do.

00:35:54.000 But it's even, they're more restrictive.

00:35:56.000 I want to interject on the subject matter here a little bit.

00:35:59.000 Sure, sure.

00:36:00.000 Instead of about Gateway Pundit.

00:36:02.000 So Gateway Pundit is wonderful.

00:36:03.000 Awesome.

00:36:03.000 I fully endorse Gateway Pundit.

00:36:05.000 And here's the reason why because, again, I agree with Charlie.

00:36:09.000 The Daily Beast and all the different, there's 10 equivalents out there where they take one element here and they run with it.

00:36:18.000 And I like what we're talking about here because Michigan is, we're dealing with criminals.

00:36:23.000 I mean, we're dealing with literal people who are trying to throw people into prison in Michigan that are political enemies.

00:36:32.000 And what's happened here is what they're on.

00:36:35.000 Maybe the estimate that came from the state senator, the former secretary of state that you brought up, 800,000.

00:36:40.000 That's the conversation that existed.

00:36:42.000 It doesn't matter if 800,000 is the correct number.

00:36:45.000 The reality is, it probably is hundreds of thousands of improperly registered people.

00:36:52.000 And what we know at Turning Point Action, the research that we've done, And taking the Democrats' own research, they know they get one vote for every two people they register.

00:37:02.000 That's the number.

00:37:02.000 That's the number across, that's their numbers.

00:37:05.000 They tell all of their groups, their outside C4s, that if you can register two young people, one of them we can get to vote, meaning we can chase their ballot, we can harvest their ballot, and go from there.

00:37:16.000 That is the subject matter right now.

00:37:18.000 We know in Michigan, the game that they're playing is they're trying to either falsely register.

00:37:25.000 Or accurately registered, it doesn't really matter at this point because it doesn't matter if you're a warm, live body, you're dead or you're non existent in the Democrat world because all that matters is the paper that results in that registration because they're going to figure out a way to deliver the ballot, the paper ballot, to the mailbox and that ultimately gets to the processing center.

00:37:48.000 That's what they care about.

00:37:49.000 So the subject matter here, and this is why I love Gateway Pundit, is they're hated.

00:37:53.000 And anyone that's hated by the left, I like them a little bit more.

00:37:56.000 Yeah, it makes me love them.

00:37:59.000 And here's the reason why.

00:38:00.000 And I don't think the subject matter that they're talking about here is true, is accurate.

00:38:04.000 We know that there are not just tens of thousands of ballots or voter registrations that have been falsified or pushed.

00:38:11.000 There's hundreds of thousands, most likely, right?

00:38:13.000 And we can all agree to that, right?

00:38:15.000 It may not be 800,000, but if it's half that, that's 400,000.

00:38:20.000 And that means that on the Democrats' notes alone, they expect out of that 400,000 that got registered, 200,000 to get returned.

00:38:29.000 That should scare every single person that's witnessing and listening to this story.

00:38:33.000 And that's where I don't think they're actually sewing up this story, to your point, which is like, well, what's the meaning of this, right?

00:38:39.000 What does this mean?

00:38:40.000 And we don't always get there, actually, because Gateway Cupundit will come out with something and then the moderates will be like, oh, I'm embarrassed because I got one fact wrong because they said that the sky was cloudy and it was really a clear blue sky that day.

00:38:53.000 That's a distraction.

00:38:55.000 The real fact here is that hundreds of thousands of people are getting registered that don't really want to vote.

00:39:03.000 Whether they're alive, real, or not.

00:39:06.000 Well, I guess.

00:39:08.000 So, Blake, you will be publishing your next op ed for gatewaypun.com.

00:39:13.000 Oh, boy.

00:39:16.000 I don't want to dwell on this too much, but let's put it that way.

00:39:18.000 Blake, how about this?

00:39:19.000 If you were writing the story, how would you have headlined it in the most scintillatingly accurate way possible?

00:39:25.000 Well, this is not going to make you happy.

00:39:27.000 Well, not me.

00:39:28.000 I mean, you wouldn't.

00:39:29.000 The audience is the one that wants to listen to it.

00:39:30.000 You don't want to be scintillating.

00:39:31.000 You'd probably do something.

00:39:32.000 You'd be like, like, newly unearthed police report from Muskegon County, like, found, you know, like, guns, ballots, lies.

00:39:41.000 Like, that's not that far off, though, Blake.

00:39:43.000 They found guns.

00:39:45.000 We're not using it.

00:39:45.000 We're not using the AI.

00:39:46.000 It's fair.

00:39:47.000 Okay, but we're in.

00:39:49.000 What I'm getting at is this is broad exposed.

00:39:52.000 Okay, we're in the same zip code though.

00:39:55.000 But that's the thing, it's so subtle.

00:39:56.000 So, why do you need to do the one that gets you demonetized everywhere?

00:40:01.000 And it makes it way too easy to basically just say, oh, you guys are a bunch of cranks and we don't need to listen to you.

00:40:07.000 And I think, I don't think it does, I get why it happens, but I don't think it does the right a lot of credit.

00:40:14.000 And I guess I would ask, what's like the big political victory that we won because of like a Gateway Pundit article that was written that way?

00:40:20.000 Jack, your thoughts.

00:40:23.000 I think the Gateway Pond is great.

00:40:25.000 I think they're a great website.

00:40:26.000 I think Jim and his brother Joe, who has an excellent book series on this entire, well, prior to this report, I should say, everything that we've learned prior to this report are fantastic.

00:40:38.000 And on the journalistic point, you've got to give them credit because the Gateway Pond actually did unearth this report.

00:40:44.000 So we wouldn't even be here talking about the quality of the headline if it wasn't for the fact that they actually did do the digging and they were dogged on the story.

00:40:54.000 And now we have this police report.

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00:42:06.000 Topic three, Civil War Now.

00:42:08.000 A lot of chatter about that.

00:42:10.000 Jack, walk us through what just recently happened in Utah.

00:42:15.000 Please, Jack, take the lead.

00:42:17.000 So 6 15 a.m. local time, I guess, mountain time yesterday, which I believe you guys are all in right now.

00:42:17.000 Yeah.

00:42:25.000 Or no, you're Pacific time right now.

00:42:28.000 Provo Utah, yesterday morning, the FBI raided a 75 year old man.

00:42:36.000 Living on a suburban street, suburban neighborhood.

00:42:40.000 Man weighs 300 pounds, walked with a cane, had trouble getting around by himself, takes care of his blind son.

00:42:46.000 They raided him in a pre dawn raid, full Bearcat SWAT truck that came up with them, rifles drawn at maximum, screaming at him at 6 15 in the morning.

00:42:59.000 We've got a video that.

00:43:00.000 Do we have the video?

00:43:01.000 Do we actually have the video, guys?

00:43:03.000 We have body cam footage.

00:43:04.000 Is that right?

00:43:05.000 I didn't know we had that.

00:43:06.000 We don't have body cam footage.

00:43:07.000 What we have is actually, and we played this earlier today on human events, FBI body cam footage, very hard to come by.

00:43:15.000 Extremely rare that it's ever been released.

00:43:17.000 You can sue for it and you might eventually get it.

00:43:20.000 You might, but like I say, it's rare.

00:43:22.000 It's not like local.

00:43:24.000 Correct.

00:43:24.000 This is neighbor footage, basically.

00:43:26.000 So it's somebody directly across the street who is filming.

00:43:30.000 And what you see is the preview, basically, how the event started and unfolded.

00:43:35.000 You don't actually hear or see the shooting in the video that's come out.

00:43:39.000 The Salt Lake Tribune.

00:43:40.000 Posted this, as well as a few other people have posted out and verified it.

00:43:44.000 And this, they were, so they were serving a search and arrest warrant against making threats on President Biden, making threats on Kamala Harris, as well.

00:43:54.000 And there's a number of other federal officials on this individual.

00:43:59.000 But what's very interesting is that the FBI had actually had this guy under surveillance physically, either starting or occurring all the way back in March of this year.

00:44:10.000 They spoke with him.

00:44:12.000 at his home in March of this year after visiting him or after following him to church where they watched him attend services and then get into the car with another individual, confronted him at his home, asked him about the posts.

00:44:26.000 He told them come back with the warrant.

00:44:28.000 Apparently, they did come back with the warrant here several months later.

00:44:33.000 And they claim at this point that he was brandishing a gun, and that is why they decided to open fire, killed him, and hailed a bullet.

00:44:42.000 Okay.

00:44:43.000 Well, Jack, let's also be fair.

00:44:45.000 He has posted stuff on social media that I think we would deem unacceptable.

00:44:51.000 If you post stuff like this guy posted, you should expect a knock on your door.

00:44:55.000 All right, good.

00:44:55.000 Okay, sir.

00:44:56.000 I just want to make sure we communicate that.

00:44:59.000 That one of the posts he said, FBI, next time you come to my door, you know, let me know because I'm going to have a loaded gun waiting for you.

00:45:07.000 Well, and he has all of the posts are extremely inflammatory.

00:45:12.000 And incredibly boomer.

00:45:13.000 Like, it's all like, The laugh emoji thing, like all of this. 0.96

00:45:16.000 Like, I half expect them to put one up that has like very, very next time it's like when agents come to my place, I'm gonna kill you.

00:45:23.000 It's gonna have like a minion on it or something.

00:45:26.000 This is this is right.

00:45:28.000 Someone in their life, maybe not necessarily in your family, but I'm sure that you know someone in your life who's in that age range that posts like this.

00:45:35.000 Look, here's what I'll say is that some people on the sinister left are doing the FAFO stuff, right?

00:45:41.000 I don't like that.

00:45:42.000 Okay, this is a guy that died.

00:45:44.000 On the other side, I think there is a little bit too much of a almost a BLM reaction, like, oh my gosh, the police are killing us.

00:45:53.000 Look, this is what this guy said a couple weeks ago Hey, FBI, you still monitoring my social media? 0.77

00:45:59.000 Checking so I can be sure to have a loaded gun handy in case you drop by again.

00:46:03.000 Let's be honest. 0.75

00:46:04.000 If Taha Nisi Coates, the BLM author, wrote that and he was raided by the FBI and killed, I don't think we'd be like, oh my goodness.

00:46:11.000 But he wouldn't because that's the secret.

00:46:13.000 But he wouldn't be raided as a huge guy.

00:46:14.000 He's like, you're cutting all the contact out. 1.00

00:46:18.000 That black people are never raided by the FBI.

00:46:21.000 I mean, the point, I mean, the issue is. 0.82

00:46:24.000 Regular black writers like that, celebrities that have called for killing President Trump, celebrities that have called for doing all sorts of things to Trump's family, to Baron Trump. 0.67

00:46:34.000 In their defense. 0.95

00:46:36.000 In a wood chipper.

00:46:38.000 Yeah, this guy should never have any of those people being raided.

00:46:41.000 Oh, my professor did once get arrested for trying to get into his own house.

00:46:44.000 So that led to the Pierce Summit.

00:46:46.000 I'm not.

00:46:47.000 But that wasn't the FBI either.

00:46:48.000 What I mean to say is there is a context here that the FBI has been targeting one side to the point about January 6th.

00:46:55.000 Blake, what do you have?

00:46:56.000 Well, how about we go into like 105, because this is what we're leading into.

00:47:01.000 So this happens.

00:47:03.000 Obviously, there's this sort of like violent stuff, but this is all sort of a setup for there's a lot of weird talk on the right.

00:47:11.000 And we'll see it with clip 105 here.

00:47:13.000 If Donald Trump were to be found guilty by a jury, where do you see this going?

00:47:19.000 Civil War.

00:47:21.000 Civil War.

00:47:21.000 Divide it up because we can't live together, obviously.

00:47:25.000 So we see this.

00:47:28.000 It's the thing that if you've been around the right a long time, it'll pop up on Facebook, on our.

00:47:34.000 Internet forums in real life at the Thanksgiving dinner with a lot from the guy, like this unfortunate man who was just killed by the FBI.

00:47:41.000 And it's this, like, we're headed for a civil war.

00:47:43.000 Like, I don't see how this can end peacefully.

00:47:45.000 This is going to end in a, sometimes the line they'll use is national divorce, which is maybe the peaceful version of this, split the country.

00:47:52.000 And the reason we put this in the topic in the show is I think we could have the debate, like, is this, is this cope?

00:47:57.000 Which is, there's sort of, I think there's an apocalyptic bias in a lot of conservative people where it's like, it seems really hard to imagine, like, oh, change the system politically.

00:48:08.000 You know, win elections, change your city, change your state, change the country.

00:48:12.000 And instead, it's so much more comforting to think like the Democrats, they're going to screw up so bad that there'll just be this explosion and there'll be this like glorious redemption and we'll win this civil war somehow.

00:48:23.000 Even though we don't have the army, we don't have the FBI, we don't have the police, we don't have the corporations, we would basically just be a bunch of like, we're all like cripplingly obese.

00:48:31.000 So we'd be a bunch of fat people with guns and you win a civil war.

00:48:35.000 Woo.

00:48:36.000 To Jack's point, why hasn't Madonna received the raid from the FBI?

00:48:40.000 Play cut 120.

00:48:41.000 Yes, I'm angry.

00:48:46.000 Yes, I am outraged.

00:48:50.000 Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.

00:48:58.000 Jack, she didn't get a no.

00:49:00.000 It wasn't a no-knock raid.

00:49:01.000 We don't know.

00:49:01.000 I mean, that's a separate issue.

00:49:03.000 I think they just wanted to stay away from Madonna.

00:49:05.000 Do we have that clip?

00:49:07.000 The clip of the action.

00:49:09.000 So, Charlie, you haven't seen the video yet.

00:49:10.000 Is that what I'm getting?

00:49:12.000 No, let's play that.

00:49:12.000 Let's play Cut 118.

00:49:20.000 I couldn't really hear what was going on there, but it was probably not good.

00:49:23.000 There we are.

00:49:23.000 Yeah, it's so we've played this.

00:49:26.000 I've played it a couple times.

00:49:27.000 We're trying to get the audio cleaned up.

00:49:29.000 I've even seen people on Twitter that have cleaned this up where they've taken the explosion out to see if you can hear any voices or anything in that.

00:49:39.000 Oh, I heard the audio.

00:49:40.000 Someone's saying that we couldn't hear the audio at all.

00:49:43.000 So you could hear, like, there's some kind of argument.

00:49:45.000 There's some kind of argument going on.

00:49:47.000 Then there is, and this is so if folks didn't hear the audio on the podcast side, there's some kind of argument.

00:49:53.000 There's some screaming.

00:49:54.000 It's hard to tell what's being said or who's saying what, basically.

00:49:59.000 But then a flashbang goes off and then the video cuts off because the guy, I guess the guy either stopped filming or that's the only part of the film that he's.

00:50:09.000 Yeah.

00:50:09.000 And so some people say that this was more of a hit than it was of a raid, right?

00:50:14.000 That could be.

00:50:16.000 It could be.

00:50:16.000 But I guess I would say that just.

00:50:18.000 To me, that ends up, we sound a lot like, you know, these Antifa every single time.

00:50:22.000 You know, one of them is, you know, he was just turning his life around and then the police showed up and shot him just because he pulled a gun out of his waistband and waved it like a maniac. 0.99

00:50:30.000 And there is an element of, you know, play very stupid games and win very stupid games. 0.99

00:50:35.000 Well, that's the FAFO thing, right? 1.00

00:50:37.000 Which I'm not exactly sympathetic with, but yeah, go ahead, Jack.

00:50:42.000 But that's not what I've seen people say online, right?

00:50:44.000 I haven't seen anyone necessarily defend the, you know, try to say that the guy didn't do anything wrong.

00:50:50.000 I haven't seen anyone say anything like that.

00:50:52.000 What I have seen people say was, why did the FBI decide to do this when, and I'd love to do this too, that, you know, we have a photo and I posted this on Twitter earlier, and the New York Post actually ran it, where this was a guy who was not only well known and well liked in his community, he was a carpenter who had just put together a ramp for like a disabled neighbor, someone who's pretty well known, a regular churchgoer.

00:51:20.000 It seemed like there were probably ways to do this that would have been better and safer, not only for the defendant, in this case the suspect, but probably safer for the FBI agents too.

00:51:33.000 That's definitely fair, I think, that there's almost kind of the thing like when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

00:51:40.000 When all you have is your whole SWAT loadout to go around and raid anyone who posts something insane on Facebook, everyone looks like a domestic terrorist. 0.87

00:51:48.000 So, to be fair, this is a normal church activity to do this kind of stuff within Mormon culture. 0.88

00:51:54.000 OCLDS.

00:51:54.000 Yeah, I mean, Provo.

00:51:55.000 He's from, yeah, he's like, but I mean, to be like, again, he just, you mean the ramp, not the post, Tyler?

00:52:03.000 Yeah, I mean, the ramp.

00:52:05.000 Yeah. 0.54

00:52:05.000 Just do that. 0.54

00:52:07.000 Not the agitating the FBI.

00:52:09.000 Yeah, I mean, back in the early days, I mean, the Mormons were known to agitate the government.

00:52:15.000 So, I mean, but this is. 0.97

00:52:18.000 Bring back Sherlock, the only religion ever to be outlawed by a state government.

00:52:22.000 Sorry, continue, Tyler.

00:52:23.000 Yeah, and then they showed up to Utah and then.

00:52:27.000 They ran them out of Utah or other places.

00:52:30.000 Have they repealed that law?

00:52:31.000 I wonder if they, like, technically.

00:52:32.000 In Missouri?

00:52:32.000 In Missouri?

00:52:33.000 Oh, they got repealed like a few years ago.

00:52:36.000 I think Mitt Romney was running there.

00:52:38.000 Mitt wouldn't make a campaign stop because it was legal to kill him.

00:52:41.000 Yeah, that is true.

00:52:44.000 There's also ongoing excavation projects in Missouri, too, I think.

00:52:47.000 Yeah, I know.

00:52:48.000 All right.

00:52:48.000 So, how did we get on that?

00:52:50.000 But yeah, I mean, look, if they wanted to arrest him, why couldn't they get him to go to his car when they're going to the car?

00:52:55.000 I'm afraid here's the truth of it.

00:52:57.000 And we may never know because this is not as big of a deal.

00:52:59.000 And we know from Waco and Ruby Ridge that there's some really bad people that could be in the FBI.

00:53:03.000 We know that.

00:53:03.000 Here's my opinion.

00:53:04.000 They saw this chatter.

00:53:05.000 They saw this guy was talking a big game.

00:53:07.000 They said, let's go saddle up.

00:53:09.000 We're going to bring in SWAT big time.

00:53:12.000 And we're going to go bring in guns a blazing.

00:53:14.000 That's my fear of what happened here.

00:53:15.000 We may never be able to prove it, but we know from federal activity before that that's very possible.

00:53:21.000 We're going to go after the guy that talks a big game.

00:53:23.000 And was he actually brandishing a weapon?

00:53:26.000 That's an interesting question.

00:53:28.000 Okay, we got to keep moving along.

00:53:29.000 Do I have an ad read or.

00:53:31.000 Okay.

00:53:33.000 Do you believe in miracles?

00:53:35.000 Yes, as Al Michaels would say.

00:53:38.000 One of the greatest international sports moments in American history, right up there with the miracle on ice against the Russians.

00:53:45.000 Michael Phelps winning his 15th gold.

00:53:49.000 Play Cut 108.

00:54:00.000 USA.

00:54:01.000 USA.

00:54:02.000 I have never been more proud.

00:54:04.000 I have never been more proud of my country.

00:54:06.000 Who posted Jack?

00:54:07.000 Were you the one that posted her with blonde hair?

00:54:09.000 And she was like, actually, yeah, yeah, I think it was you, Jack.

00:54:13.000 Somebody posted her with blonde hair, like a normal human being.

00:54:17.000 Like, what's her face?

00:54:18.000 I didn't miss NBC before she posted it. 0.99

00:54:19.000 She didn't used to look like, she didn't used to stylize herself this way. 0.88

00:54:23.000 She didn't used to try to go for this whole woke icon thing where even like Lego is making little, what do you call them?

00:54:31.000 The Lego figurines of her.

00:54:33.000 Mini figures, mini figures. 1.00

00:54:35.000 Okay, yeah, nerd dick. 1.00

00:54:37.000 That she was like a normal soccer playing woman who didn't act like this at all until she got a taste of the spotlight and until she started chasing that dragon of more dopamine hits, I'm fighting for equal rights or equal pay, et cetera, et cetera. 1.00

00:54:57.000 And then suddenly goes and blows it at the last minute.

00:54:59.000 But keep in mind that this is the same U.S. women's team that also lost, I think it was to Blake, what was it, the 15 and under club?

00:55:07.000 I think it was an elite.

00:55:08.000 It was.

00:55:09.000 As Dallas, I believe, like Dallas elite.

00:55:12.000 There might have been another recent one, but it was like elite middle school squad from the Dallas area.

00:55:12.000 This was a few years ago.

00:55:17.000 It was the one from a few years ago.

00:55:19.000 And yeah, I was just thinking, you said, you know, she used to be a normal soccer playing woman, and now it's like you put each of those in quotes.

00:55:25.000 So it'd be like normal soccer playing woman.

00:55:28.000 That's exactly right.

00:55:30.000 But, you know, I think, yeah, I think we have to regard this as a patriotic triumph.

00:55:34.000 As a future U.S. president once said, I like to see bad people fail.

00:55:38.000 And, you know, she failed.

00:55:39.000 I'm happy about it.

00:55:40.000 And it's too bad.

00:55:41.000 I'm sure some.

00:55:43.000 Some, I assume, are good people.

00:55:44.000 And it's too bad that, you know, Megan Rapineau took over this entire team for her.

00:55:48.000 Is it like Pinot or Rapineau?

00:55:49.000 I don't care.

00:55:51.000 Good answer.

00:55:52.000 You know, she took it over for this like vanity political project and made it, you know, a politics thing instead of a national pride thing and made it so, like, and then, you know, oh, what was my greatest career highlight?

00:56:02.000 Like making it so that our men's national team is worse because we have to divert all this funding to this like ascended middle school squad to win their World Cup.

00:56:11.000 And, you know, I think it's very American for us to be very annoyed by that.

00:56:15.000 And, To see a come up and see a form of, I think new American is the phrase, right?

00:56:20.000 S spelled N U American. 0.60

00:56:21.000 It's very new American.

00:56:24.000 Well, this is just like Colin Kaepernick, though, with just like everybody ended up rooting against him, right?

00:56:30.000 It's the same thing.

00:56:31.000 And then, like, he woke up one day, he's like, you know, Nike's not there and everybody's not there and you lose and you don't make teams and then everybody's like laughing at you.

00:56:40.000 She's kind of coming to this realization that, like, maybe, hopefully, that everybody really does, like, There's more haters than lovers.

00:56:49.000 Well, look, let's be honest.

00:56:50.000 More people are now talking about women's soccer and actually watching women's soccer because of them losing than if they actually would have been in the final.

00:56:57.000 And this is like Britney Griner at the WNBA, right?

00:56:59.000 It's like nothing made me more irritated than seeing a full stadium walking a Britney Griner home.

00:57:05.000 It's like, I'm sure the left is going to try to turn this into like some heroes arc, you know, like she's down and out and like she's going to come back and they're going to do some kind of crap to like.

00:57:16.000 I think this was her last game, though.

00:57:17.000 I think she's retired.

00:57:18.000 It is.

00:57:19.000 Yeah, yeah, there's the last game.

00:57:20.000 This is her last game, but they're going to try to find something. 0.61

00:57:22.000 Unless.

00:57:23.000 Wait, Tyler.

00:57:24.000 What if she runs for president?

00:57:26.000 What if she runs for office? 0.57

00:57:26.000 Oh my gosh. 0.57

00:57:27.000 Don't say that.

00:57:28.000 I totally will.

00:57:29.000 I've got it.

00:57:30.000 Tyler, you just put it together.

00:57:30.000 I've got it.

00:57:33.000 She should challenge the Russians' women's team in Moscow and then head over there.

00:57:40.000 And then, Putin, if you're listening, if you're listening, maybe you can take care of it.

00:57:47.000 Maybe you can Brittany Griner the problem for it.

00:57:50.000 Sure, I meant to do that.

00:57:52.000 In Shinormeta or wherever that is.

00:57:54.000 Media Matters clip.

00:57:56.000 Jack Pasova calls on Putin to arrest Megan Rapino after U.S. women serenade patterned down at Russian TSA.

00:58:05.000 All right.

00:58:06.000 So let's play this.

00:58:07.000 Cut 124. 1.00

00:58:08.000 Megan Rapino dressed like a stripper. 1.00

00:58:09.000 Is this at like the Espies or something? 1.00

00:58:11.000 And why is she not wearing any clothes?

00:58:13.000 Not even looking at a kid asking her to sign a soccer ball?

00:58:16.000 Why is she dressed like this? 1.00

00:58:18.000 Play Cut 124.

00:58:28.000 So that's at the Espies, right?

00:58:29.000 You're my hero.

00:58:31.000 She's thinking about her run for president of Canada.

00:58:34.000 You didn't have that outfit, right?

00:58:36.000 You're wearing that knee today the other day.

00:58:37.000 He's got Jack.

00:58:38.000 Can we send Jack to just wear clothes underneath him?

00:58:40.000 Putin, Britney Griner him for a bit. 1.00

00:58:42.000 So is that her wife or her partner? 0.94

00:58:45.000 24 hours, I will end it.

00:58:47.000 No, but is this her partner next to her?

00:58:49.000 Why do they dress like that?

00:58:50.000 I don't know.

00:58:52.000 It's like award show stuff, Charlie.

00:58:54.000 It's like it's high fashion.

00:58:56.000 Oh, I would say from Mr. Mustache.

00:58:59.000 Yeah.

00:59:00.000 High fashion.

00:59:01.000 Okay, so then let's play another piece of tape here.

00:59:03.000 Megan Rapino, philosopher.

00:59:07.000 Philosopher.

00:59:08.000 Play cut 109.

00:59:09.000 What do you have to say?

00:59:12.000 What do you deserve?

00:59:15.000 You deserve all of it.

00:59:18.000 Everything.

00:59:19.000 You deserve this.

00:59:21.000 She belongs.

00:59:24.000 Much, much, much later.

00:59:26.000 Wokeism makes you lose, ruins your mind, and ruins you as a person.

00:59:32.000 The U.S. women's soccer team is a very good example of what's going on.

00:59:36.000 This one ended, but the fight.

00:59:38.000 To get there all the way to PKs and obviously not going your way in the end.

00:59:42.000 Yeah, I thought we played really well.

00:59:45.000 I thought we played really well.

00:59:47.000 I'm so happy for us that we went out like that, playing the way that we did and, you know, having a ton of joy on the ball.

00:59:56.000 I mean, this is like a sick joke.

00:59:59.000 For me personally, I'm just like, this is dark comedy.

01:00:01.000 I missed a penalty.

01:00:04.000 And yeah.

01:00:07.000 This is dark comedy. 0.72

01:00:08.000 She's moved on to her next role running for president of Pan Am.

01:00:12.000 Pan Am, whatever. 0.97

01:00:14.000 Pan Am.

01:00:16.000 No, in all seriousness, though, I can totally see her running for office, and that disturbs me.

01:00:21.000 And there's going to be a lot of that, by the way.

01:00:23.000 I think there's going to be, I think the unfortunate, if we're successful in making sure that we have a Republican president this next election cycle, I think you're going to see a huge swing to the opposite, where the left is going to be running more celebrity style candidates, even more so than they do now, because they're not.

01:00:45.000 They don't have that right now.

01:00:46.000 They're not running that.

01:00:47.000 Boring and transactional.

01:00:48.000 It's boring and transactional.

01:00:50.000 And so I think there's going to be positives and negatives to that.

01:00:53.000 The positive is that I think it's going to actually put us in a place where we can make sure that we win as long as we have the infrastructure for that.

01:01:01.000 The negative is you're going to have like Megans as U.S. senators.

01:01:04.000 And that's going to be a real problem.

01:01:06.000 So let's play Cut 125.

01:01:06.000 Yeah.

01:01:08.000 So, Jack, should we draft more candidates like this?

01:01:13.000 B roll is going to play.

01:01:13.000 Can we do side by side?

01:01:15.000 With this?

01:01:17.000 If you don't hate her yet, just give me a chance.

01:01:19.000 You see this, Jack?

01:01:20.000 Can you see what we're looking at?

01:01:22.000 Look at this.

01:01:26.000 This is the funky Rapino, apparently.

01:01:30.000 Yes, the funky Rapino, also known as the COVID shuffle or the Pfizer shuffle.

01:01:38.000 You know, if you have enough boosters, that's basically how your body reacts when they all hit at the same time.

01:01:43.000 That's if you combine, by the way, Pfizer, Moderna, and Ozempic all at once.

01:01:49.000 This is, you get rapinoed.

01:01:52.000 Look, I just think Tyler's right.

01:01:54.000 I think that we are going to see a place where, because, okay, so America has broken essentially into several camps at this point.

01:02:03.000 You know, obviously, Tyler was completely wrong when he disagreed with me earlier on this, but, and I was completely right, as per usual.

01:02:11.000 And then, because America has become more polarized and essentially more tribal, If Megan Rapinoe can find an area where there's just enough people in her tribe, that's why what Tyler's saying is right about either a Senate seat, definitely there are congressional seats that she could run for.

01:02:31.000 I know y'all have an interesting senator there in Arizona, by the way, who's not exactly like this, but definitely an interesting sort of bird herself.

01:02:41.000 That we are going to see more of it.

01:02:43.000 We're just definitely going to see it.

01:02:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:02:46.000 I mean, she definitely gives Kirsten Senema a run for her money. 1.00

01:02:50.000 That's for sure. 1.00

01:02:53.000 Kirsten's actually become less lesbian since she got involved. 1.00

01:02:56.000 Yeah, I know. 0.98

01:02:58.000 She's acting much more heterosexual as the general. 1.00

01:03:00.000 She probably wishes that she ran somewhere else. 1.00

01:03:03.000 I didn't know that Megan Rapino is hooking up with Sue Bird. 1.00

01:03:08.000 I don't even know who that is. 1.00

01:03:09.000 Former basketball player.

01:03:10.000 Yeah, that was it. 1.00

01:03:10.000 WNBA. 1.00

01:03:11.000 I am proud I didn't know that.

01:03:13.000 Big deal growing up.

01:03:14.000 Is she related to Larry Bird?

01:03:17.000 I don't think so.

01:03:19.000 I don't think so.

01:03:20.000 You could actually.

01:03:21.000 No, her parents are not.

01:03:22.000 It's not Larry Bird.

01:03:24.000 Not related.

01:03:27.000 Good luck having kids, Megan.

01:03:29.000 So, what is the next topic?

01:03:33.000 Want to go to Prager?

01:03:34.000 While we're on that WNBA, we didn't cover this.

01:03:37.000 We didn't promise people Prager.

01:03:39.000 Just real quick.

01:03:40.000 Did you hear about this thing with Diana Tarassi?

01:03:43.000 No.

01:03:44.000 So the Phoenix Mercury wouldn't even recognize her for her birthday and didn't say, like, was it Diana Tarassi?

01:03:50.000 Yeah.

01:03:52.000 No, no, no.

01:03:53.000 I'm sorry.

01:03:53.000 I'm getting this all wrong.

01:03:54.000 We'll come back to this.

01:03:55.000 We'll come back to this.

01:03:56.000 It wasn't Diana Tarassi.

01:03:57.000 Somebody else is one of the other WNBA players that nobody knows. 0.99

01:04:01.000 She's pregnant. 0.93

01:04:02.000 She's out on, she's having a baby.

01:04:05.000 And they didn't even wish her a happy birthday, WBA, because they don't want to focus on her being out having a baby.

01:04:12.000 All right, ready for Prager?

01:04:13.000 This is probably going to take some time.

01:04:14.000 Are we ready for this?

01:04:16.000 I don't know if we are.

01:04:16.000 Yes.

01:04:17.000 Do we have an admin?

01:04:19.000 Yeah, this is going to be something.

01:04:21.000 Okay, do we have no reads?

01:04:22.000 Okay.

01:04:23.000 So, Jack, do you want to queue this up?

01:04:25.000 Should I?

01:04:25.000 I think that.

01:04:26.000 So, I. Charlie, you go for it because this is your wheelhouse, man.

01:04:31.000 Yeah, I mean, I really like Dennis.

01:04:33.000 He's a dear friend.

01:04:34.000 And I have listened to probably more.

01:04:36.000 Dennis Prager content than probably anybody alive, honestly, especially I've listened to all of his.

01:04:40.000 You listen to more Dennis Prager than Dennis Prager act.

01:04:42.000 That's probably true.

01:04:44.000 And so, and I remember it and I take notes.

01:04:45.000 I've gotten a lot out of it.

01:04:46.000 His lectures on Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy is amazing.

01:04:51.000 So I know the mind of Dennis pretty well.

01:04:54.000 I read all of his op eds.

01:04:55.000 He has really significantly enriched my life.

01:04:57.000 So when I found out Jordan Peterson, who I have respect for, but I obviously disagree on some things, and Dennis were doing this Exodus series, I got really excited by the Daily Wire.

01:05:05.000 And I watched it and I flagged this.

01:05:09.000 Way, way, way, way long time ago, because I saw all of a sudden, I don't know where they started talking about pornography in this kind of Exodus series.

01:05:15.000 I was like, well, that's probably going to make people interested.

01:05:19.000 And then I just kind of moved on.

01:05:20.000 By the way, Dennis' thoughts on pornography have remained consistent for decades.

01:05:24.000 This is not some sort of new thing.

01:05:26.000 I could point to like a 1990 lecture where he said the same thing.

01:05:30.000 Now, so isolated from that Exodus clip, Daily Wire, it went viral on YouTube because Dennis said something basically it could be interpreted as normalizing pornography in marriage.

01:05:42.000 And so then he goes on a long form interview with Pints with Aquinas, which is a great YouTube channel.

01:05:48.000 I think he's in Steubenville, Ohio, right, Jack?

01:05:51.000 The Catholic University there, right?

01:05:53.000 It's Franciscan University.

01:05:55.000 Yeah, so it's kind of his podcast thing.

01:05:56.000 He's very, very Catholic.

01:06:00.000 And so he has this long form interview that I saw right when it came out.

01:06:04.000 And again, I was like, oh, well, that's probably going to go viral, and it didn't.

01:06:08.000 And then now out of nowhere, it did.

01:06:11.000 Now we're going to play the clip.

01:06:13.000 I'm not going to defend Dennis's stance here.

01:06:15.000 I will broadly say that I think people are being unfair to Dennis, and I will defend that.

01:06:19.000 But he doesn't make it easy, by the way, to defend him in some ways because he does take some sharper positions I don't share.

01:06:26.000 But this is the position that I do not share with Dennis at all.

01:06:30.000 Play Cut 110, this one is now going mega viral.

01:06:33.000 Play Cut 110.

01:06:35.000 Would you use the word evil of animated child pornography?

01:06:38.000 I certainly would.

01:06:39.000 No, I would use evil only with behavior. 0.60

01:06:41.000 That's where we might differ, forgetting the sex issue.

01:06:44.000 You can't be evil.

01:06:46.000 You didn't do evil if you thought evil. 0.52

01:06:49.000 If I'm masturbating to animated pictures of pornography, I'm not doing something evil. 0.68

01:06:52.000 That's correct. 0.98

01:06:53.000 Yeah, I think that's despicable.

01:06:56.000 Now, if you see that clip and you get thrown into it, you're like, holy mother of goodness.

01:07:01.000 Jack, you saw this, right?

01:07:02.000 There was a long windup to get to that place.

01:07:05.000 Okay.

01:07:05.000 So, where I'll say it, Charlie, I saw it the opposite way that you saw it because I saw it the way you just described in that I saw this clip first.

01:07:13.000 And then I think the very first thing I did was I was like, I kind of messaged Charlie to make sure he saw this thing.

01:07:13.000 Okay.

01:07:20.000 And then, and then true to form, you said, Hey, watch the whole thing.

01:07:23.000 There's this is part of a longer thing, which I then did.

01:07:26.000 And it's very layered, right?

01:07:27.000 So, they, they, what I want to just say is that this conversation was actually them agreeing on almost everything.

01:07:33.000 Right?

01:07:34.000 Agreeing, And Dennis was not necessarily defending pornography, nor is that his position. 0.82

01:07:41.000 His belief is this, which is a typical mainline Jewish belief, which is only your behavior will be judged by God. 0.66

01:07:48.000 That's actually not consistent with the scriptures. 0.67

01:07:51.000 Thou shalt not covet is a thought crime, actually, a thought sin.

01:07:55.000 It's the only one that leads to so much bad.

01:07:58.000 But Jack, I want you to riff on this because this is going viral.

01:08:02.000 Are people being unfair to Dennis?

01:08:03.000 Where do you agree or disagree on this?

01:08:05.000 Because this has now opened up.

01:08:07.000 Millions of people talking about the issue of pornography, Judaism, Prager, the Torah.

01:08:12.000 Your thoughts?

01:08:13.000 So I think there's a couple things going on here, though.

01:08:16.000 I think just at its first and foremost, that watching pornography of any form, of any form, now he's talking about the reason they say animated in this point is because they're doing a thought experiment, they're performing a thought experiment.

01:08:31.000 And so to take out the fact that a human being would be involved in either exploited or trafficked or whatever have you.

01:08:41.000 Regarding the creation of this particular form of pornography.

01:08:45.000 I think, though, that in that case, whether it's animated or not, I don't even think animated is the right word to use anymore.

01:08:53.000 What we should actually use is the word AI, because that's going to be the next level of pornography AI porn.

01:09:01.000 These systems that we don't have much control over, just like the way my TV likes to go off right when I'm in the middle of monologuing.

01:09:08.000 But essentially, that the viewing of this corrupts you, regardless of whether or not people are in.

01:09:15.000 The other people are involved in the creation or in the act of the pornography.

01:09:18.000 And here's why because you are giving in your immortal soul to the temptations of the flesh.

01:09:25.000 You are all sin originate in the mind.

01:09:28.000 And so, the end, and furthermore, not only are you giving in to these carnal base urges, but at the same time, you are going to start seeking out more and more of them. 0.98

01:09:38.000 This is what puts you on a path to actual child porn, by the way.

01:09:43.000 That would have been my response, by where I, in this situation, as I go to the Aquinas host. 0.98

01:09:48.000 The acquaintance, yeah, Jack, you've gone into the sixth layer of hell.

01:09:52.000 I'm in the twilight zone here.

01:09:54.000 You're in Dante's.

01:09:55.000 That's where you'll go if you look at too much of it.

01:09:57.000 Yeah, and so I just want to make sure that people understand Dennis's position.

01:10:02.000 The key point, because there was this long layer up where Dennis says, Look, I do not like video pornography.

01:10:07.000 I don't justify it.

01:10:09.000 He does think that images of naked women is acceptable.

01:10:13.000 That's a separate issue.

01:10:14.000 I don't agree with him at all on that.

01:10:15.000 But there was this question of child predators.

01:10:17.000 And what Dennis said is that.

01:10:19.000 I would rather have a pedophile watch animated child pornography that does not include a victim than to act on a child.

01:10:28.000 So that's a very layered conversation.

01:10:30.000 It's very nuanced.

01:10:32.000 But then it got into the question of is it evil?

01:10:35.000 The Catholic andor evangelical position, they would agree, is that it is ugly and evil regardless of whether or not somebody acts on it.

01:10:42.000 A thing does not cease to be ugly or evil whether or not someone looks at it.

01:10:45.000 Blake, what are your thoughts?

01:10:47.000 I think that has to be the take on it, which is like it's bad.

01:10:49.000 Yes, it's bad because it exploits people, but it's also bad for its own sake.

01:10:53.000 Because for its own sake, it makes you a worse person to do it.

01:10:56.000 You are now a person who is using essentially child pornography.

01:11:01.000 That is making you a worse person, regardless of what you do in the outer world, even if the relationship that often has is an indicator of how it does make you a worse person.

01:11:11.000 Well, and in some ways, Dennis is being very precise with his language because he would say that it was ugly, he would say that it's profane, but he stopped short of evil because, in a very strict Jewish reading of the Torah, evil only involves victims, meaning that if you think something or you're internal, that's not evil until you act upon it.

01:11:33.000 Which is very different from, again, Christian theology.

01:11:37.000 Again, Philippians 4 8, which everybody knows and has heard before.

01:11:43.000 Whatsoever things are true, honest, just, pure, lovely.

01:11:48.000 Good report.

01:11:48.000 Think on these things.

01:11:51.000 Of any praise, we think on these things, right? 0.83

01:11:54.000 So that's the good thing to separate between, again, our good friend Dennis, who's not Christian, versus Christians, is most Christians would find that absolutely horrific. 0.76

01:12:05.000 Even going down that pathway of that conversation. 0.93

01:12:08.000 Yes.

01:12:08.000 And I've sat on an entire plane ride.

01:12:09.000 We've sat on a plane ride.

01:12:10.000 We had a disagreement with him actually talking about this, right?

01:12:13.000 Because we had a Catholic, evangelical, a Mormon, and a Jew.

01:12:16.000 We won't say who, but yeah.

01:12:17.000 Yeah.

01:12:18.000 All four say around the, and we had a conversation about this subject matter and we just disagree, right?

01:12:26.000 And what they did talk about in this podcast is, which is important, is that there are gradations of sin.

01:12:32.000 So, Jack, as a Catholic, you would agree that the action is obviously worse than the thought.

01:12:37.000 Yep.

01:12:38.000 But it does not make that the thought is not evil itself, especially if you engage in the thought.

01:12:44.000 And that is where Dennis could, where I would have pushed back the most is if you have a random, weird thought, God's not going to judge you on it.

01:12:53.000 But then engaging in animated child pornography is pushing energy, focus into the evil thing, which then, as you said, Jack, grows in attachment towards that evil thing.

01:13:05.000 Right.

01:13:05.000 So what you're doing is you're moving that into, because what you're calling a random, Erratic thought and errant thought.

01:13:14.000 Those are temptations.

01:13:15.000 Those are temptations that are sent constantly, that we're faced with constantly.

01:13:20.000 They arise constantly.

01:13:21.000 You can reject temptation or then you can give in to temptation.

01:13:25.000 So there is this much longer piece where Dennis says, Well, what about if you walk by at like a Victoria's Secret at the mall or somebody leaves a lingerie catalog out or something like that and you start to think impure thoughts?

01:13:39.000 Is that coveted?

01:13:40.000 And then he starts kind of getting into the nature of the word and the etymology, et cetera.

01:13:44.000 Got it.

01:13:45.000 Right.

01:13:45.000 But, you know, I like the way that you put it out, Charlie.

01:13:48.000 And you and I were texting about this when it first crossed everyone's radar, when it was going viral, that kind of led to this discussion today, where I really like the way you put it because there are three sets here, right?

01:14:01.000 There's three sets it's thought, but then action.

01:14:05.000 But you pointed out, Charlie, there's a medium ground.

01:14:08.000 And I want to give it to you.

01:14:09.000 What is that middle ground between thought and action?

01:14:12.000 This is actually, I've come up with this myself after dealing with it because I don't think thoughts are nearly as bad as actions, but thoughts can be bad, which is attitudes.

01:14:19.000 So, I think attitudes are the middle.

01:14:23.000 So, you have independent private thoughts, and then you have attitudes which you assume, and then you have stated actions, right?

01:14:30.000 Attitudes are not.

01:14:31.000 It's like a habitual thought.

01:14:33.000 Yes, that's right.

01:14:34.000 A habitual thought.

01:14:36.000 A habitual attitude.

01:14:39.000 Exactly.

01:14:40.000 Or something you dwell on, which Tyler beautifully said, Philippians 4 8 is saying, think on these things.

01:14:44.000 This is what your attitude should be.

01:14:47.000 True things, honorable things, right things, pure things, lovely things.

01:14:51.000 Good things, if they're excellent or praiseworthy, dwell on them, marinate on them. 0.99

01:14:56.000 And so, you know, looking and masturbating to like animated child porn, which is despicable. 0.99

01:15:02.000 I hate even saying it, honestly. 0.99

01:15:03.000 It's like so beyond AI.

01:15:05.000 Yeah.

01:15:05.000 It'll be AI.

01:15:06.000 But it is evil because, look, in Aristotle, it would say a thing is good for its own sake and therefore something is evil for its own sake, right?

01:15:15.000 It could get better or worse if you engage with the thing.

01:15:18.000 I want to replay the clip though, because some people are asking about it.

01:15:22.000 And I want to make sure, because it happens really fast.

01:15:24.000 Understand the pretext and the context.

01:15:27.000 They're agreeing, agreeing, agreeing, agreeing.

01:15:28.000 And it's this question of is it evil?

01:15:30.000 So it's semantics.

01:15:31.000 And Dennis is not justifying it.

01:15:33.000 I have to defend Dennis here because it's a little unfair the way this has been cut.

01:15:37.000 Dennis is saying it is better for a pedophile to watch animated child pornography than to go after kids.

01:15:46.000 That is not a hill I would die on.

01:15:47.000 Let me just put it that way.

01:15:48.000 It's all bad. 1.00

01:15:49.000 It's all trash. 1.00

01:15:50.000 It's all venom. 1.00

01:15:51.000 It's all despicable.

01:15:53.000 Let's play Cut 110 again, please.

01:15:55.000 Would you use the word evil of animated child pornography?

01:15:58.000 No, I certainly would.

01:15:59.000 No, I would use evil only with behavior.

01:16:01.000 That's where we might differ, forgetting the sex issue.

01:16:04.000 You can't be evil.

01:16:06.000 You didn't do evil if you thought evil. 0.52

01:16:09.000 If I'm masturbating to animated pictures of pornography, I'm not doing something evil. 0.68

01:16:12.000 That's correct. 0.98

01:16:13.000 Yeah, I think that's despicable.

01:16:17.000 I agree with the host.

01:16:19.000 It is despicable.

01:16:19.000 Well, I'll tell you what I think, and then I'll tell you my theology.

01:16:23.000 As I was raised religiously, I was that thoughts always precede actions.

01:16:28.000 And so that's the reason why thoughts matter so much.

01:16:30.000 Is there's not a single action that's ever been taken for the most part that is, you know, evil, that's truly evil without a thought perceiving it.

01:16:39.000 That is, I actually think that it's the opposite.

01:16:41.000 I think that actions that are bad that actually had no thought to them would probably be more forgivable than the ones that have thoughts.

01:16:49.000 But like road rage, where you just kind of get out of control.

01:16:52.000 I was just going to bring up road rage.

01:16:53.000 I was literally just going to bring up road rage.

01:16:54.000 Or your brain just like snaps, right? 1.00

01:16:56.000 You do something stupid. 1.00

01:16:56.000 And you do something stupid. 1.00

01:16:57.000 Or you just like punch somebody you don't even think about. 1.00

01:16:58.000 Accent like that.

01:16:59.000 No, I completely agree.

01:17:00.000 And that's it.

01:17:02.000 And so this comes back to me like sin to me has always been, this has always just been something I have is it's just distraction.

01:17:08.000 So, like, to me, I think that you know, in the greater eternal perspective of how we live our lives, is the difference between sin very good?

01:17:16.000 And I think this goes back to this conversation with Dennis, which was I think part of his argument is that there's so little difference in the great eternal spectrum of our mortal sin that it's just like, yeah, I just like there's no difference, right?

01:17:30.000 Like, there's just like to me, it's like there's a big difference in the action.

01:17:33.000 Like, yeah, like on, yeah, that's a Catholic. 0.72

01:17:36.000 I don't know.

01:17:37.000 I'm not Catholic. 0.74

01:17:39.000 Are we allowed to open it up? 0.99

01:17:40.000 Immortality.

01:17:41.000 Let's let Tyler.

01:17:42.000 But I was just going to say this is just real quickly.

01:17:43.000 It's just like, I think to me, the greatest part I think that the devil wants us to do is to be distracted and confused and to waste time because your time is precious on this earth.

01:17:54.000 The most precious time that you have on this earth, if you believe in a post life, afterlife, whatever, right, is that in heaven and that and the doctrine of heaven, is that if you waste time here, anytime that you waste here, You are not doing good and you're not serving the kingdom.

01:18:10.000 You're not serving God.

01:18:11.000 You're not serving your brethren.

01:18:12.000 You're not serving your family and you're not learning.

01:18:15.000 And I think learning is like the greatest thing that you can do while on this earth.

01:18:20.000 And sin prevents you from doing that.

01:18:22.000 So that's why, to me, thoughts are going to occupy your time.

01:18:27.000 They're going to occupy your consciousness.

01:18:29.000 They're going to occupy your, they're going to distract you.

01:18:33.000 And that's what, that's, I think that's what this, that's what Lucifer wants.

01:18:36.000 That's what Satan wants.

01:18:38.000 So the, the con, so just to further build out Dennis's position on pornography, just because I think that's actually important.

01:18:46.000 Which is, I disagree with him on this, but I just want to make sure everyone knows his position.

01:18:50.000 Where he will come, and he talked about this, right, Jack, in the Pints with Aquinas, his father, right?

01:18:55.000 His father was an Orthodox Jew who also was a Playboy subscriber, right?

01:19:00.000 And he, so that was the context of his.

01:19:02.000 I thought they were in the house.

01:19:04.000 Yeah.

01:19:04.000 Yeah.

01:19:04.000 And that there is really, there was nothing necessarily.

01:19:08.000 He was raised to believe urination and masturbation were basically the same thing, okay?

01:19:14.000 And I don't hold that belief, and I hope.

01:19:17.000 They have a great debate on that, by the way, in the longer evidence.

01:19:20.000 Yeah, they do.

01:19:21.000 Yeah, so anyway, so that's he believes that male sexuality needs to have pressure releases.

01:19:30.000 And if they are not given pressure releases where there is no necessary victim, then they're going to commit adultery and they're going to do all these other different things.

01:19:41.000 In a very strict Catholic, because I'm just going to use Jack, the host was Catholic, he said, no, no, no, that's not honorable, that's not acceptable. 0.77

01:19:49.000 At all, right?

01:19:50.000 In fact, you engage moral relativism.

01:19:52.000 Yes, moral relativism.

01:19:53.000 Now, what Prager would say is, well, would you agree that looking at Playboy is not as bad as adultery?

01:20:01.000 Of course, no one's making that argument.

01:20:03.000 There are gradations of sin, right? 0.96

01:20:06.000 Cheating on your wife is worse than pornography.

01:20:09.000 That does not make pornography beautiful or good or virtuous or desirable.

01:20:15.000 And what the biggest pushback that Prager receives is that it feels as if he is beginning to justify.

01:20:23.000 The consumption of pornography.

01:20:25.000 Is that fair to say, Jack?

01:20:26.000 Is that the biggest pushback that he's.

01:20:28.000 Tell me, what is the internet chatter around this?

01:20:29.000 I'm curious.

01:20:30.000 But even because there's a longer discussion where he talks about pornography that I haven't necessarily seen gone viral, but because I went back and watched the episode, I saw it, where he does talk about justifications for pornography within the confines of marriage, where essentially he's saying, well, if you've lost the spark and you need something to help you out, then hey, pornography is great.

01:20:53.000 And that then.

01:20:54.000 Um, and you're watching it together, commits to a communal act, et cetera, et cetera.

01:21:00.000 By the way, I know that my parents are watching this as I'm talking about it, probably my wife too.

01:21:04.000 But, um, at the same time, it, it, he's saying that it's still good.

01:21:09.000 And, and where Matt basically just disagrees completely with him in that sense, because it still feels, I believe, and I think everyone does that it's still a form of engaging with pornography at that point.

01:21:21.000 And, uh, though, Charlie, there, there's another point that I want to, That I would like to ask you that I think you'd be able to describe this better because I didn't quite pick it up.

01:21:29.000 They were in the middle of a debate there.

01:21:32.000 But he says, well, he brings up that question of the thought crime, right?

01:21:35.000 The thought crime, which is in the Ten Commandments about covet.

01:21:39.000 And this idea of now it's neighbor's wife, neighbor's goods.

01:21:43.000 Obviously, in this case, we're talking about neighbor's wife.

01:21:45.000 And so I think most people would think of covet in synonymous with desire, wish for, yearn for, these types of synonyms.

01:21:57.000 But Dennis had a different sense.

01:21:59.000 Where he said, no, it's when you make plans to go and commit that action.

01:22:06.000 And I didn't quite follow what he was saying.

01:22:09.000 Yeah.

01:22:10.000 So this is hotly debated in a lot of rabbinical circles.

01:22:13.000 I actually don't think this is that complicated because there are other Old Testament scriptures in the Tanakh, which we would just call the Old Testament, Jack.

01:22:21.000 You guys have a couple extra books, but in the traditional Old Testament, the ones that the Jews believe are divinely inspired is what we evangelicals read.

01:22:31.000 You guys have a different version. 0.58

01:22:32.000 That's fine.

01:22:33.000 Okay, we step into it with what Jesus had.

01:22:36.000 Yeah, so Jesus did not believe that Maccabees was divinely inspired.

01:22:41.000 And that's a separate issue.

01:22:41.000 We'll have that conversation later.

01:22:43.000 So the.

01:22:45.000 There's other verses in Proverbs and Isaiah that talk about how your thoughts and your heart.

01:22:51.000 Here's a great, let me prove it to you, okay?

01:22:53.000 So in Genesis 5, when God goes down to basically say, we have to have a flood, it wasn't just the actions of the people, it was that their hearts were darkened.

01:23:06.000 And that's amazing when you think about it.

01:23:08.000 It was, God was like, they're so beyond redemption that their entire hearts were darkened.

01:23:13.000 It's like Genesis 5 or Genesis 6.

01:23:15.000 I'll find it.

01:23:16.000 And so.

01:23:18.000 To covet is to, I think, I think the attitude is the best explanation, Jack.

01:23:25.000 It's that I am going to assume an identity energy.

01:23:30.000 I am going to put forward a plan.

01:23:33.000 And there is a great question.

01:23:35.000 In fact, there's a great article that I encourage you guys to read.

01:23:38.000 It's written by rabbis.

01:23:40.000 Is coveting a feeling or is it an action?

01:23:43.000 I actually think it's an attitude.

01:23:45.000 I think it's something in between.

01:23:47.000 That's where your heuristic comes into play because it.

01:23:50.000 It's not a binary that there is that sort of third level.

01:23:54.000 But then also, I guess my response to that would be then if you're saying that that's the nature of covetousness, then wouldn't engaging in this type of content, this type of material, be by its own nature then also covetous?

01:24:10.000 Yes.

01:24:10.000 And so let's play a couple pieces of tape here and let Dennis's words speak for himself.

01:24:14.000 Play Cut 131, please.

01:24:16.000 I am not advocative of watching sexual behavior.

01:24:20.000 But I want to know what you mean by the word behavior.

01:24:22.000 Because if I'm going to say it, sexual activity.

01:24:24.000 Between two people.

01:24:25.000 Okay, so even a photograph in Playboy of two people engaging in a.

01:24:29.000 But there weren't such.

01:24:30.000 When I. When my father.

01:24:31.000 You're opposed to that, but you're okay with a man looking at one naked woman, let's say. 0.90

01:24:35.000 Yes, or they weren't even naked then. 0.76

01:24:38.000 They were covered in their privates.

01:24:40.000 But you're opposed to them looking at anything that might be arousing.

01:24:40.000 Right.

01:24:44.000 What if a woman is wearing a regular.

01:24:47.000 What if a man is turned on, which every man is, by an attractive woman in a nice dress?

01:24:53.000 That's a turn on.

01:24:53.000 So, no, no, please answer.

01:24:55.000 Oh, no.

01:24:55.000 So, is that bad?

01:24:57.000 But in another sense, if I'm looking at a lingerie catalog with the intention of lusting, that wouldn't be okay.

01:25:02.000 What if I'm looking at the lingerie catalog with the intention of getting my wife lingerie?

01:25:07.000 I think the intention does matter.

01:25:08.000 Yeah.

01:25:10.000 I agree.

01:25:10.000 I think the intention does matter.

01:25:11.000 Yeah, there's no good intent to AI generated child porn.

01:25:15.000 There's no.

01:25:18.000 That's what makes it so profane and ugly because there's not a single redeeming quality for its existence.

01:25:26.000 And therefore, it is ugly.

01:25:28.000 It is.

01:25:29.000 It is terrible.

01:25:29.000 We are in.

01:25:30.000 Well, this is why the history.

01:25:31.000 I'm sorry.

01:25:31.000 Do we have any libertarians in the comments right now, by the way?

01:25:34.000 I just, it just occurred to me.

01:25:35.000 Well, we'll get to them with a deep barrier deal soon enough.

01:25:38.000 Yeah, we're running out of time.

01:25:39.000 Actually, yeah, actually, Blake, you could probably pull that up because those would be the, the, who I'm talking about.

01:25:46.000 In one moment, I just want to foreshadow that we are headed towards a very, like, very dark time.

01:25:51.000 And I'm not sure people fully grasp how messed up it's going to be.

01:25:55.000 Like, yeah, we have the discussion about, yeah, they'll say AI generated porn.

01:25:59.000 Okay.

01:26:00.000 But that doesn't just mean like, oh, you can randomly generate stuff.

01:26:03.000 What it means is like, you could literally download every single photo of a kid off an Instagram and plug it into a generator and say, manufacture this.

01:26:12.000 Or it doesn't have to be kids, of course.

01:26:14.000 It's just like take every single photo of your high school crush, take every single photo of your college ex girlfriend, anyone, and plug it in.

01:26:21.000 And you can have an AI generate a relatively, like, already the tech marginally exists for this.

01:26:27.000 Now imagine where it will be in two years, five years, 10 years, 50 years.

01:26:31.000 And, you know, you get these freaking VR helmets that they have and they can put on. 0.97

01:26:35.000 And, like, the amount of technology, if you don't just take a hard line and say, like, porn is bad, it's just going to, Blow out people's brains. 0.85

01:26:45.000 We cannot, there is no nuance with this topic right now.

01:26:48.000 And that's where I'm at, which is like, it's so toxic.

01:26:51.000 The walls fall off.

01:26:52.000 You fall off the cliff instantaneously.

01:26:54.000 Like, that has to be the position.

01:26:56.000 It's not like, well, maybe if you do it, nope.

01:26:59.000 Hard stop.

01:27:00.000 Okay.

01:27:01.000 Let's get the deep web reveal because we're running out of time.

01:27:02.000 So, the deep web reveal is, you know, Charlie, we've had our discussion about pornography on the show the last few days.

01:27:07.000 The laws that are 30 minutes.

01:27:10.000 But on the show also.

01:27:10.000 Is this the time where you guys embarrass me?

01:27:12.000 Well, no.

01:27:13.000 The show where we had the Louisiana law that was successfully curbing porn hub traffic.

01:27:19.000 And we were getting some emails, and people were really angry like, don't come after this.

01:27:25.000 I have totally libertarian reasons for opposing this.

01:27:27.000 We did receive a couple hundred pro porn libertarians that listen to the Charlie Chaplin.

01:27:33.000 Many such cases. 0.53

01:27:34.000 And now we have a meme that describes these people, and the term for them is Coomers.

01:27:42.000 And we're going to have the image, and it's going to pop up here, please.

01:27:45.000 Do we get that, Ryan?

01:27:46.000 Wait, no, we're not actually going to show the.

01:27:49.000 Wait, hold on.

01:27:49.000 We're not going to show the whole meme, but we can show the little image that I sent.

01:27:52.000 It's not a brute set, Ryan.

01:27:53.000 What?

01:27:54.000 We can totally do it.

01:27:54.000 We can totally do it.

01:27:55.000 It's not bad.

01:27:56.000 But it's a label.

01:27:57.000 It's a meme that exists.

01:27:58.000 There we go.

01:27:59.000 Yeah.

01:27:59.000 So we got that.

01:28:00.000 So this is your typical Reddit user, your typical libertarian who's sending emails to the Charlie Kirk show.

01:28:05.000 He's got bloodshot eyes.

01:28:06.000 He tragically kind of has the exact same facial hair that I do.

01:28:09.000 I was going to say, I disavow.

01:28:11.000 I disavow.

01:28:11.000 It looks awfully similar.

01:28:12.000 Stop it.

01:28:13.000 Stop it.

01:28:14.000 Was that intentional?

01:28:15.000 No.

01:28:15.000 No.

01:28:16.000 This is. 0.52

01:28:17.000 I'm going to have to listen to my friend and shave this.

01:28:19.000 I can't shave this.

01:28:20.000 So the Deep Web Reveal is a sketch of you.

01:28:22.000 No.

01:28:28.000 Anyway, it is a.

01:28:30.000 Yeah, so it represents the typical Reddit user whose life, to a surprisingly deep degree, revolves around their access to pornography, AI generated or not, gets very angry about AI laws.

01:28:43.000 And it's a surprisingly central part of their existence.

01:28:47.000 Maybe I should not say surprisingly, because when you encounter them online or even worse in real life, it gets really bad.

01:28:54.000 When I was in, I used to work at the Daily Caller and I went to cover to Bernie Sanders rally.

01:28:59.000 And there was a man walking around the Bernie Sanders rally who was about, I would guess, 40, 45.

01:29:04.000 And he just had a shirt on.

01:29:06.000 It was just plain white with red letters.

01:29:09.000 And it said on it, Massachusetts, this is in Massachusetts, Massachusetts should legalize prostitution.

01:29:15.000 That's all it said.

01:29:16.000 And it's like, that's your issue?

01:29:18.000 And he's like, yes, that is my issue.

01:29:20.000 And he was all in for the Bernie bros.

01:29:22.000 And I'm sure he would be an excellent Coomer.

01:29:27.000 So then, do we say okay, Coomer?

01:29:29.000 Yes, we could.

01:29:29.000 Yeah, I think it comes from that.

01:29:30.000 It comes from boomer memes.

01:29:32.000 Like it comes from boomers, groomers, Coomers, Zoomers, Doomers. 0.65

01:29:37.000 Everything is funnier when it has Oomer at the end of it. 0.99

01:29:40.000 I feel like it looked like Dave Portnoy.

01:29:41.000 Does anyone else think it looked like Dave Portnoy of Barstool?

01:29:45.000 That doesn't look like Dave.

01:29:47.000 I endorse it.

01:29:48.000 Now it looks like Dave Portnoy.

01:29:51.000 Yeah, Blake just set himself up.

01:29:56.000 I didn't set myself up.

01:29:57.000 I sacrificed my dignity for the sake of.

01:30:00.000 Content.

01:30:02.000 That's my commitment to this program.

01:30:03.000 That's the commitment.

01:30:04.000 Have we ever seen both you and that sketch in the same place?

01:30:08.000 On this show, apparently.

01:30:10.000 They were just right next to each other.

01:30:11.000 Are you saying that word?

01:30:13.000 All right, Jack, final thoughts.

01:30:15.000 That was a lively one.

01:30:18.000 What is a boomer?

01:30:20.000 The problem is, Charlie, when it really comes down to it, that you've got so much accessibility to this these days.

01:30:27.000 AI is here now, video AI is probably going on at this very moment.

01:30:32.000 At the same time, you are going to have the ability.

01:30:37.000 Imagine once you get neuraling involved with this type of thing.

01:30:40.000 Imagine when you have memories that are able to be recorded.

01:30:43.000 And then shared and uploaded on the internet, people running around Thailand, running around Phuket and uploading things to a vast neural network.

01:30:51.000 I think it is literally going to drive people insane at some point.

01:30:55.000 And look, you know, growing up with some Playboys around the house is one thing from a long time ago, but it isn't like that anymore.

01:31:03.000 What parents or anybody out there needs to understand.

01:31:05.000 So, parents, number one, you got to understand it's in your house already because it's on every phone, right?

01:31:10.000 It's instantly accessible.

01:31:11.000 And for anyone out there that's listening to this, it's not the way to run your life.

01:31:15.000 Right.

01:31:16.000 You're going to be chasing that dopamine.

01:31:17.000 You're going to be chasing those hides.

01:31:18.000 You're going to be chasing that as opposed to actually chasing a meaningful relationship with your spouse or your significant other.

01:31:25.000 You know, you could follow a good example from a future U.S. president who was interviewed on the Howard Stern show.

01:31:31.000 And he was asked how frequently he engaged in that activity.

01:31:34.000 And he said, I was never into that world.

01:31:39.000 Right.

01:31:40.000 He was never into that world.

01:31:41.000 Don't get into that world.

01:31:42.000 It's a dark world.

01:31:43.000 Don't do it, folks.

01:31:46.000 Final thoughts, Tyler Boyer.

01:31:49.000 I am disavowing all of the conversation on very publicly on approving of any kind of child porn.

01:31:59.000 I don't think that that should ever happen.

01:32:02.000 And I want, that's a bold statement, right?

01:32:05.000 It's a bold statement where we're at.

01:32:06.000 Stunning and brave.

01:32:07.000 But going back, I think that we have a big week ahead of us here, it's going to be very interesting to see what happens between Iowa and the Milwaukee debates that we have in two weeks.

01:32:16.000 So everyone should stay tuned.

01:32:18.000 Buckle up.

01:32:19.000 It's going to be a lot of fun.

01:32:20.000 Are you going to be in Milwaukee?

01:32:21.000 I don't have a choice.

01:32:22.000 Oh, you have to?

01:32:22.000 Is it roll call?

01:32:23.000 It's the RNC meeting.

01:32:24.000 It's two weeks.

01:32:25.000 Yep.

01:32:26.000 I do not envy you.

01:32:27.000 Blake, what's up?

01:32:30.000 Any final thoughts?

01:32:31.000 No, I've been distracted.

01:32:34.000 You've sufficiently sunk your reputation.

01:32:37.000 We're a burning ship, sinking ship.

01:32:40.000 Blake is a fan favorite.

01:32:41.000 I'll tell you what.

01:32:42.000 All right, everybody, until next week, keep committing thought crimes, keep the faith, and we will see you next week.

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01:32:57.000 Yes, sir.

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