The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 90 — The Epstein Nothingburger? Death by DEI? Celebrity AI Scams?

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00:01:13.000 Well, folks, we're back here.

00:01:15.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard for another edition of Thought Crime.

00:01:19.000 Jack Pesobic here, Charlie Kirk, is going to be joining us in just a minute.

00:01:23.000 He's flying in, but it's been, you know, pretty quiet week around here.

00:01:28.000 You know, go around the horn, you know, not much in the news, but I believe we have Blake and Tyler.

00:01:33.000 What's up, guys?

00:01:34.000 Howdy.

00:01:35.000 Yeah.

00:01:35.000 Has anything happened today?

00:01:36.000 Yeah, not a lot.

00:01:37.000 I mean, we're just going to be able to do it.

00:01:40.000 The biggest news, you know, ahead of SAS, we're going to SAS this weekend, Turning Point Student Action Summit over at Tampa, Florida.

00:01:47.000 Super excited.

00:01:49.000 But the biggest news, of course, was guys, case closed on Jeffrey Epstein.

00:01:54.000 My goodness, you know, we all were waiting for the answers.

00:01:57.000 And boy, did we get all the answers that we were looking for and promised?

00:02:01.000 And gosh, I can't even think of any more questions that I have.

00:02:05.000 Nope, I'm satisfied.

00:02:06.000 This one is case closed.

00:02:07.000 Time to move on.

00:02:08.000 What do you say, folks?

00:02:09.000 Turns out that binder was the end of the road.

00:02:12.000 Yeah.

00:02:13.000 So that's what it was actually.

00:02:14.000 Yeah.

00:02:14.000 It was like we went and everything that was in there.

00:02:17.000 Man, that was exactly what was promised.

00:02:20.000 Full transparency.

00:02:20.000 There's nothing else for us.

00:02:22.000 Full transparency.

00:02:23.000 Total transparency.

00:02:24.000 Yeah.

00:02:26.000 And I mean, look, you know, I get that this has been like a debate.

00:02:30.000 And I think this is something, obviously, Charlie's been talking about all week.

00:02:33.000 Obviously, like, like Dana Bash is on CNN, like playing clips of me talking about it this week regarding some of my comments regarding our illustrious attorney general.

00:02:43.000 And, you know, look, part of this, though, I think is it's the calm strategy part of it too.

00:02:51.000 It's like the way like the way you communicate and the way that you treat people.

00:02:58.000 And, you know, it's, it's been a huge issue.

00:02:59.000 But look, when it comes down to it, you know, this, this isn't good enough.

00:03:02.000 And I think that's really the bottom line is this is just not good enough.

00:03:06.000 And when you're, when you're in public life, you, you know, you can, you can set expectations.

00:03:11.000 You always have to set expectations.

00:03:13.000 But, you know, my, my rule of thumb, if I'm trying to set expectations, is under promise, over deliver.

00:03:21.000 Under promise, over deliver.

00:03:23.000 Jack, before you, let's actually play that clip of yours.

00:03:26.000 I think it'd be pretty good.

00:03:27.000 Let's get, let's, let's show clip 379.

00:03:31.000 That led to a lot of frustration online and elsewhere among people who are pretty influential with the MAGA base.

00:03:39.000 Here's just a sampling.

00:03:40.000 G says that we don't need to hear about Jeffrey Epstein ever again.

00:03:45.000 You know what this sounds like?

00:03:46.000 I'm going to tell you exactly what this sounds like.

00:03:48.000 Pam Bondi sounds like Hillary Clinton right now. 1.00

00:03:51.000 If you're MAGA, those are fighting words to talk about Pam Bondi as Hillary Clinton. 0.59

00:03:59.000 Hillary Clinton.

00:04:00.000 Oh my God.

00:04:01.000 That is like quite the slur.

00:04:05.000 Holy cow. 0.89

00:04:06.000 Yeah, no, look, I knew that that would be effective for a number of reasons.

00:04:12.000 But, you know, not only because Hillary, of course, as we know and the Clintons were directly involved with Epstein, but this also this idea that it was Hillary.

00:04:23.000 Remember, Hillary was someone who was saying that, oh, oh, you know, on Benghazi, you know, at this point, what difference does it even make?

00:04:34.000 What difference does it even make?

00:04:36.000 This was this famous, you know, and I actually had a couple of reporters reach out to me after I did this, you know, this clip and they said, what do you mean she sounds like Hillary?

00:04:44.000 What does that mean?

00:04:45.000 So the left doesn't even understand how big of a phrase that is on the right.

00:04:50.000 This was something that even decades later, that, you know, even decades later that we still talk about, what it means is that Hillary Clinton during the Benghazi debacle, when people were asking, why didn't you deploy the quick response force?

00:05:06.000 Why didn't you deploy all of these assets that we had around the Mediterranean and other parts of the Middle East when Benghazi was under attack from this huge terrorist attack just weeks before the election in 2012?

00:05:18.000 Why didn't you or the, you know, Barack Obama deploy these forces, which by the way, you know, you don't need the president's order to do that.

00:05:28.000 You can just, you know, they would just deploy automatically.

00:05:31.000 She flips out in the house and says, at this point, what difference does it even make?

00:05:38.000 And just starts banging the table.

00:05:40.000 And I said, man, that's what it sounds like what I'm getting from the attorney general right now.

00:05:46.000 I believe, I believe, guys, do we have Charlie?

00:05:48.000 Is Charlie in now?

00:05:50.000 I am here.

00:05:50.000 Hello.

00:05:51.000 And I'm wearing my Rush Was Right t-shirt.

00:05:54.000 Dude, I need one of those t-shirts.

00:05:55.000 We're not getting a t-shirt.

00:05:56.000 By the way, we're going to sell out.

00:05:57.000 It's like the most popular one we ever made.

00:05:59.000 Rush Was Right.

00:05:59.000 People love it.

00:06:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:01.000 Like, if you don't save it.

00:06:02.000 True story.

00:06:03.000 It's a true story.

00:06:03.000 The design is specific.

00:06:04.000 My uncle brought a bunch of books to our 4th of July thing, just like old books.

00:06:09.000 And someone has a prank had given him the 1996 Al Franken book, attacking Rush Limbaugh.

00:06:16.000 Obviously, it says a lot of nice things about Rush Limbaugh, but the real, I looked at it and what was fascinating was just what a time capsule it was, like what stuff people cared about.

00:06:24.000 He spends a lot of the book talking about, I believe, Phil Graham.

00:06:26.000 I don't know the last time I've thought about Phil Graham.

00:06:29.000 He was a Republican contender for the presidency in 1996.

00:06:34.000 I can't even remember what office he was.

00:06:35.000 Wait, hold on.

00:06:37.000 No, you mean the guy from Tennessee, right?

00:06:40.000 Maybe.

00:06:41.000 I actually can't remember who.

00:06:42.000 You mean the reverse mortgage guy?

00:06:44.000 Maybe.

00:06:44.000 No, you mean Fred something.

00:06:46.000 No, no, there's William Philip Graham.

00:06:49.000 It was an American.

00:06:50.000 He represented Texas.

00:06:52.000 And wow.

00:06:53.000 Yeah, he's still alive.

00:06:54.000 Wow.

00:06:55.000 He started as a Democrat, switched to the Republicans.

00:06:58.000 Fred Thompson.

00:06:59.000 Yeah, you're thinking of Fred Thompson.

00:07:00.000 No, this is Phil Graham, 1996.

00:07:02.000 He was a presidential nominee contender.

00:07:06.000 And, man, I don't know if he's he referred to the 2016 election as scary because he didn't like Trump very much.

00:07:15.000 But no, he's like this guy getting really singled out in this 1996 Al Franken book.

00:07:20.000 So sorry about the detour there.

00:07:21.000 The things they used to worry about.

00:07:22.000 So I do want to ask, so Blake, you are, obviously, Blake, you believe that Epstein killed himself.

00:07:28.000 Probably.

00:07:29.000 That he wasn't as bad as people think.

00:07:30.000 Well, no.

00:07:31.000 No, hold on.

00:07:32.000 That makes it sound weird.

00:07:33.000 No, what I would say is I've always been open.

00:07:36.000 Defend yourself.

00:07:37.000 I have always been open to the, I call it the un-conspiracy for Jeffrey Epstein.

00:07:42.000 So obviously he's been a figure for like 20 years at this point.

00:07:46.000 There have been like rumors swirling around Epstein, these claims that he did, you know, sweeping blackmail, that he did all this predatory stuff.

00:07:54.000 And of course, allegedly linked with, you know, our intelligence or someone else's intelligence, you can go on.

00:07:59.000 And I've thought, what if the answer to it is the unconspiracy?

00:08:03.000 That Epstein was a charismatic guy.

00:08:06.000 So he was very good at make, and maybe even like a really good liar.

00:08:10.000 So he was very good at making people think he was wealthier than he was, although he was still queerly wealthy. 0.97

00:08:16.000 That he was more connected than he was.

00:08:18.000 He maybe was very good at making people think he had these ties to intelligence.

00:08:23.000 And what you'll find if you dig into history is people like that are kind of a recurring feature of life.

00:08:30.000 I don't want to name him because he's a bit litigious, but like there's a guy in kind of right-wing circles who would always tell people he was linked to the FBI.

00:08:39.000 And it appears that he was just constantly making that up.

00:08:42.000 So maybe what you have with Epstein, for example, is, oh, he's getting in trouble with Florida as he was back in the late 2000s, but he's able to use his connections to sort of make everybody think, oh, this guy's linked with intelligence.

00:08:57.000 We shouldn't delve too deep into that.

00:09:02.000 And so what you have is a guy who he associated with a lot of rich people, and he did, you know, obviously he pursued underage girls, but maybe all of the additional stuff, all of the blackmail traps, is not as spectacular as people were hoping.

00:09:17.000 The best argument, and I like Jack, that this is overblown.

00:09:21.000 Again, I'm not taking any position on this, is that all these law firms like Boies, Schiller, and others, they were very invested in trying to find a criminal network here, and they were unable to do that, basically.

00:09:36.000 I mean, with dozens of clients and years of work, lawyers sued all of just two celebrities, Alan Dershowitz, who they had to apologize to in a $0 settlement when the only person accusing him turned out to be unreliable and someone who the government couldn't dare to call to stand trial, and Prince Andrew, who settled with exactly one punitive victim, lucky enough to get a photo with him, probably finding it cheaper than the reputation hit and inconvenience of being dragged into America in a headlines for a month in a he said, she said case.

00:10:03.000 The point, I guess there is an argument to be made that, this is your argument about Diet Coke, right?

00:10:08.000 That trial lawyers will eventually find out if there is fire.

00:10:11.000 Yeah.

00:10:12.000 Like there's this.

00:10:13.000 Would that be your case?

00:10:14.000 You could make a lot of money if like if Bill Gates abused somebody meeting with Jeffrey Epstein, oh, you know, a guy who has $100 billion to soak from, and they can't find a victim.

00:10:27.000 They can't find any case to bring against him.

00:10:30.000 Something that as simple as if they had to settle to make the case go away.

00:10:35.000 It's, yeah, it's the un-conspiracy.

00:10:37.000 To me, it's not about that, though.

00:10:40.000 It's the fact that if Jeffrey Epstein was in trouble and he had all these really famous friends that he brought with him, right?

00:10:46.000 The immediate natural reaction would be for him to include all those people in the trouble that he's in.

00:10:53.000 And why would you kill yourself without having explained where all these people were that they came down?

00:11:02.000 Like, it just doesn't make any kind of sense.

00:11:03.000 Like, there's been so many particular pieces of evidence when someone kills themself that they almost always leave some kind of note or explanation or something to talk about.

00:11:18.000 And he basically sat quiet and silence and then didn't talk about any of this.

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00:12:03.000 Well, I guess one of the ways, so here is a piece of information that I think could be released that would not satisfy, Blake wouldn't care, but it would be interesting.

00:12:14.000 Who were the other prisoners on Jeffrey Epstein's cell block?

00:12:17.000 Right.

00:12:17.000 There's no reason why we should not have that information.

00:12:20.000 Everyone should know that.

00:12:21.000 Because basically their argument is, well, Jeffrey Epstein killed himself because no one was able to access the floor.

00:12:27.000 Okay, we agree.

00:12:28.000 That actually, I think, has been, you know, verified.

00:12:32.000 Got it.

00:12:32.000 Okay, so then if he were to have been killed by somebody else and did not kill himself, it would have had to have been a prison guard, highly unlikely.

00:12:42.000 So then it's likely another prisoner.

00:12:44.000 And so then here's where it gets a little sauce.

00:12:47.000 Every time someone tries to ask who the other prisoners are, they're like, sorry, that's a privacy violation.

00:12:51.000 Okay, so you guys have like a HIPAA law for prisoners or something?

00:12:54.000 Is there?

00:12:54.000 No, that's legit.

00:12:55.000 According to Tucker.

00:12:56.000 According to Tucker, he said that he's tried to find out who the other prisoners on the cell block were.

00:13:01.000 So that's a very important...

00:13:10.000 Yeah, how is that private, though?

00:13:12.000 What is the law that's not?

00:13:13.000 Apparently, there's like a federal prisoner privacy act.

00:13:15.000 Again, please have to fact-check me on this.

00:13:17.000 Every time someone has tried.

00:13:18.000 That's surprising.

00:13:19.000 And by the way, all those prisoners were like reassigned within days.

00:13:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:22.000 But we still know there's a record somewhere.

00:13:24.000 Somebody knows who was on that cell block.

00:13:26.000 Well, it's not a long-term holding facility.

00:13:29.000 No, it's not.

00:13:29.000 No, of course.

00:13:30.000 But the point being is that there was somebody there, and that somebody might be free now.

00:13:35.000 That somebody might have gotten some weird plea deal somewhere down the road.

00:13:39.000 So if you want to find a focus of this energy, kind of find the energy of who were the prisoners on Jeffrey Epstein's cell block.

00:13:46.000 Totally.

00:13:47.000 And I think that's part of what the harm is, is that I know Jack wants to come in here soon, so I won't go long, but it's that I think there was a lot of energy put into this, but it was very general energy.

00:13:58.000 And frankly, I think there's an issue where a lot of people like overpromise.

00:14:02.000 Like people just, they talked a lot about how, oh, we are definitely going to get to the bottom of this big conspiracy.

00:14:08.000 And that, frankly, has happened a good amount of times in like the wider conservative movement.

00:14:14.000 They'll really fixate on something, you know, Benghazi 10 years ago or, frankly, like the Crossfire Hurricane stuff, any of the special investigators that they have going.

00:14:24.000 People get hyped up that there's going to be some big revelation that blows everything open.

00:14:31.000 People died.

00:14:32.000 People did die.

00:14:33.000 But like, I think people often get hyped that there will be more stuff that comes out.

00:14:39.000 And then when that doesn't happen, and most of the time it doesn't happen, they feel really betrayed.

00:14:43.000 Hold on.

00:14:44.000 Yes.

00:14:44.000 And so I think that's a good validation because, and I think this is important, that like transparency advocates who tend to be more libertarian online and young.

00:14:55.000 So people that care about transparency tend to skew more libertarian because skeptical of government power.

00:15:01.000 Yeah.

00:15:01.000 More young and online.

00:15:03.000 They voted for Trump in big numbers.

00:15:05.000 And their expectations were set very high.

00:15:08.000 And some administration officials said there was going to be like this massive dramatic release.

00:15:13.000 Does that make sense?

00:15:14.000 Yes.

00:15:15.000 So again, I'm not going to be able to do that.

00:15:16.000 I mean, the client list.

00:15:18.000 The idea is like, oh, here's the 50 names.

00:15:20.000 So you have a built-in kind of, and I'm trying to explain this to some boomers.

00:15:26.000 I will say, though, that on our program, it is multi-generational.

00:15:28.000 The anger and the outrage is multi-generational, but I'd say the focus is just definitely the younger, the libertarian, the online folks.

00:15:34.000 They voted for Trump in like record numbers.

00:15:37.000 One of the main reasons is like, hey, at least this guy is going, you know, he got shot.

00:15:41.000 They're trying to get rid of him.

00:15:42.000 Like, you know, this whole thing.

00:15:44.000 And so then you had administration officials saying like, hey, I had the client list on my desk.

00:15:50.000 There was like a trunkload of stuff.

00:15:51.000 And it wasn't just one person.

00:15:52.000 It was several administration officials.

00:15:54.000 It was not just one.

00:15:56.000 Instead, it should have been like, hey, this could have been diffused by 99%.

00:16:00.000 This was my advice to them.

00:16:01.000 If they would have been like, guys, we just took office.

00:16:04.000 I don't want to get your expectations up, but we're starting to look through this.

00:16:07.000 This is honestly a little more lackluster.

00:16:09.000 And like, give us some time to go through it.

00:16:11.000 It's going to take some time.

00:16:12.000 But honestly, like, it's not what you think it is.

00:16:15.000 If they would have just said that, it would have just been a huge diffusion.

00:16:19.000 Where does anger come from?

00:16:21.000 Where does anger come from when you vacation, when you go out to eat, when your expectations don't hit reality?

00:16:28.000 And so if you go to a nice restaurant and all of a sudden they serve you, you know, KFC, you're like, what the heck?

00:16:34.000 I'm paying a bigger seat at airports when people's flights are delayed, right?

00:16:40.000 When expectations and reality are out of alignment, you get carnival cruise line.

00:16:47.000 To your point, Charlie, one of the ways to diffuse this is like they could have done over the course of the last six months the work to say, here, we didn't find anything or there's issues here going on, but here are all the prisoners we're releasing.

00:17:03.000 Like the president could do that.

00:17:05.000 The president could come out and say, here are all the individuals that were on the block and we're investigating all these people to figure out what's going on with that.

00:17:12.000 That would have brought a lot more trust into the room for sure than doing it the way they did it, setting improper expectations and then blowing it up.

00:17:20.000 I know a little something about the way that it was done.

00:17:24.000 Having been, you know, the, well, I know that I was brought to the White House for a series of policy briefings and along with a number of other conservative individuals, Mike Cernovich is there, Scott Pressler was there, Saf Hernandez, the great Liz Wheeler, you know, DC Draino, just lives at TikTok.

00:17:46.000 People, everybody knows, everybody knows these guys.

00:17:49.000 And we were told that we were going to be meeting with a group of cabinet secretaries, met with Secretary Rubio, with Secretary Kennedy, the great Bobby Kennedy.

00:18:00.000 We met with vice president and even the president himself actually did us the incredible honor of visiting.

00:18:07.000 But then when AG Bondi came in, she brought with her this set of binders and said, hey, guys, you all want the Epstein files, right?

00:18:17.000 And we're sort of looking around going, well, no one said anything about Epstein on the agenda today, but sure, we all want to know that.

00:18:26.000 We were familiar with the story and we'd love to see them.

00:18:30.000 And then she directs her staff and says, well, guys, here's the Epstein files phase one, and I'm giving it directly to you.

00:18:39.000 And then immediately after that, we don't really have time to go through these huge binders with all these names in them.

00:18:45.000 And we can't quite figure out whether this is new stuff or old stuff.

00:18:51.000 And it turned out it was all old stuff.

00:18:53.000 These things were full of baloney.

00:18:54.000 But then right after that, we get pushed out through the portico entrance of the West Wing, right where the entire international media was assembled for Kier Stahmer's visit.

00:19:10.000 And so we have all of these pictures of us with these binders that at that point, we were told that they were under embargo, that we couldn't look into them.

00:19:19.000 We couldn't report about them.

00:19:20.000 We couldn't even get it out there.

00:19:22.000 So again, if people want to talk about where did the hype come from, where was the hype train?

00:19:27.000 Well, it's again, this was the way that it was rolled out.

00:19:30.000 And we were always told that there's going to be phase two, phase three, phase four.

00:19:35.000 So by the time I actually looked through it, it took a couple of minutes to sit down and say, Wait a minute, this stuff is already out before.

00:19:40.000 Where's the rest of it?

00:19:42.000 You know, we kept being told over and over that more was coming, that it hadn't been declassified yet.

00:19:47.000 And it was just a complete break of trust, a complete and absolute break of trust, especially for a group of people like us who look, we were invited there and we came because we wanted to help.

00:19:59.000 We came because we wanted to show support.

00:20:01.000 We wanted to do what we do every day.

00:20:03.000 But more importantly, we wanted to get justice for the victims and actually justice for the girls who were involved here.

00:20:10.000 So, you know, what can I say?

00:20:12.000 People ask, oh, are you angry?

00:20:13.000 So, yeah, I'm very angry.

00:20:14.000 I'm very angry because, you know, I feel like I was used for a political stunt.

00:20:19.000 So one idea I might have, what if a driving force of how kind of ineptly they did this with the phase two, phase three is whoever's involved in laying this out, it's probably not directly Pam Bondi or whoever deciding what their messaging is on this.

00:20:34.000 It might be someone lower.

00:20:35.000 What if the problem is they have a lot of really intense, like intense, true believers at the second level?

00:20:42.000 So they kind of assumed there would be a lot more to it and like they overpromise because they themselves assume there will just be this treasure trove of info that they can get out and then they end up being extremely disappointed.

00:20:54.000 It's a possibility.

00:20:57.000 Yeah, I um Jack, what would make this right?

00:21:06.000 So, you know, I don't know if I think it can necessarily make it right in that sense.

00:21:10.000 I mean, a grave injustice was done to the victims.

00:21:14.000 Has anyone apologized to you?

00:21:17.000 To me?

00:21:18.000 No.

00:21:18.000 Yes.

00:21:18.000 Oh, no.

00:21:19.000 Well, actually, I take that back.

00:21:21.000 I take that back.

00:21:23.000 When it comes to the Department of Justice, no.

00:21:26.000 When it comes to individuals who were involved in setting up the meeting, yes.

00:21:31.000 Yes.

00:21:33.000 There definitely were apologies, not just to me, but to everyone who was involved with that.

00:21:37.000 And it was very clear, by the way, that this binder stunt was not something that had been approved or socialized with the White House in any way.

00:21:47.000 And so, you know, but that being said, because they called the meeting, the organizers from the White House side did say that they, you know, they expressed deep regret and were very sorry about the way that that all happened.

00:21:57.000 So, yes.

00:21:58.000 So then what do you think can make this right?

00:22:00.000 What would be, I think a good action step is just tell us who the prisoners on Jeffrey Epstein's cell block were.

00:22:05.000 That we can learn.

00:22:06.000 The Bureau of Prisons has that information.

00:22:09.000 You know, that's something.

00:22:10.000 You know, I don't know that it necessarily gets to where people want.

00:22:14.000 Look, look, Charlie, the problem here, right, from just a PR perspective, right, from a comms perspective, is that we're told everything's coming, everything's coming, everything is coming, everything's coming, and then boom, that it's nothing.

00:22:26.000 And wait, so you're not even going to release like some redacted document or some transcripts and some interviews and, you know, this information, that information.

00:22:35.000 And then, you know, the AG gets up and says, well, this is child porn.

00:22:38.000 We can't release it.

00:22:39.000 Nobody's asking you to release that.

00:22:40.000 My God.

00:22:41.000 Of course we're not asking you to release that.

00:22:44.000 But the next step is, okay, well, so were there information, was there interviews with these victims?

00:22:50.000 Did those interviews generate any leads?

00:22:53.000 What about the search warrant?

00:22:54.000 When Jeffrey Epstein was arrested the first time, by the way, by the Trump administration, which Trump never gets any credit for, that it was his administration that finally brought the actual charges against Jeffrey Epstein back in 2019, that why not declassify the search warrant?

00:23:10.000 What was on the search warrant?

00:23:12.000 What were they going for?

00:23:13.000 What was the probable cause?

00:23:15.000 What was uncovered?

00:23:16.000 What wasn't uncovered?

00:23:17.000 What could still possibly be out there?

00:23:18.000 Again, all of these things.

00:23:20.000 Remember, people remember what it was like going through RussiaGate and going through those investigations and the Crossfire Hurricane counter investigations.

00:23:28.000 And that's apparently generated some criminal referrals.

00:23:31.000 Okay, great.

00:23:32.000 We remember going through with a fine-tooth comb all of the text messages and all the rest.

00:23:37.000 But with this, we're just told that there's nothing.

00:23:39.000 And I honestly, it just seems ludicrous on its face that there would be nothing.

00:23:43.000 So you have to release something regarding the Jeffrey Epstein investigation and give people a piece of it.

00:23:52.000 No, I understand, by the way, obviously, you know, this idea that there's just a list of clients.

00:23:56.000 I mean, that's not how crime works.

00:23:57.000 That's not how criminal conspiracies work.

00:23:59.000 But the idea that there's nothing in terms of investigative files, or by the way, the original Jeffrey Epstein investigation, which was conducted by Mueller, even, you know, all the way back, way back when out of the Southern District of Florida, where he was given the non-prosecutor prosecution agreement, this NPA, which a judge in 2019 said was illegal in the first place.

00:24:19.000 Where are all the files from that investigation, which is, you know, well over a decade ago?

00:24:24.000 You know, Charlie, everybody knows that these documents are out there and that the DOJ has them.

00:24:29.000 They're in the Southern District of Florida.

00:24:30.000 They're in the SDNY.

00:24:32.000 And if they have to be unsealed, then unseal them or make the movements to unseal them.

00:24:36.000 Just you have to release something.

00:24:38.000 You can't say there's nothing.

00:24:39.000 Final thoughts, guys?

00:24:42.000 I don't know.

00:24:42.000 I just think it'd be funny if this is like what causes this massive fatal breakup.

00:24:49.000 I would say I would discourage people from demanding sweeping firings over this because it's easy to demand blood.

00:24:56.000 And then you're like, oh, now we need to spend six months confirming a new attorney general.

00:25:00.000 And we already have this giant backlog on everything.

00:25:04.000 We do have some good deputies.

00:25:06.000 We do, but what we also have is a very slow-acting Senate that never does anything.

00:25:11.000 It's going to be 2027 when we finally get most of the positions filled.

00:25:15.000 Yeah.

00:25:15.000 Or they'll just never be filled.

00:25:16.000 Correct.

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00:26:25.000 Okay, let's now go to the terrible tragedy in Texas and how DEI might have contributed to the death toll.

00:26:33.000 Yeah, we are...

00:26:37.000 Why is this not the national?

00:26:39.000 By the way, you know what's so weird?

00:26:40.000 Yeah.

00:26:41.000 No one on the left is calling me a liar or a racist tour.

00:26:44.000 They're just immediately.

00:26:45.000 I know I was shot again.

00:26:46.000 There are free publications.

00:26:48.000 They're like bizarrely ignoring this story.

00:26:51.000 Yeah, so for people who didn't see the clip on our show the other day or our tweet, what's going on here, so they have Chief Baker as the head of, I think Joel Baker is the head of the fire department in Austin, which is the nearest big city to where the floods have been going on in Texas.

00:27:10.000 So Kerville, Texas is about an hour west of Austin.

00:27:15.000 And what his own firefighters are saying, the firefighter union in Austin is saying, is he could have pre-deployed a lot of Austin firefighter assets near Kerrville to be prepared because they knew this big storm was coming.

00:27:32.000 And apparently, he did not do so.

00:27:35.000 According to the union, he did not do so because he was worried that it would just be a financial issue.

00:27:42.000 It would cost them too much money to do it.

00:27:44.000 And in fact, these deployments like this are just reimbursed by the state of Texas.

00:27:48.000 But he didn't understand the concept.

00:27:50.000 They were explaining this to him, and apparently it could not get through his head that this was what was going on. 0.83

00:27:54.000 And okay, he's incompetent. 0.73

00:27:57.000 Incompetent fire chiefs happen.

00:27:58.000 But where the bonus follow-up to this is, is that a decade ago, the Obama administration sued the fire department in Austin.

00:28:05.000 They said they were discriminatory, as they love to do with police departments and everything else.

00:28:11.000 And so they reached a settlement.

00:28:12.000 Pressure was on.

00:28:13.000 And lo and behold, the next appointment the city made for head of their fire department was the first black head of their fire department.

00:28:21.000 He comes out, clip 347.

00:28:25.000 This two-time fire chief wants to make a difference in the growing city of Austin and tells us he wants to start by bringing in more diversity.

00:28:33.000 It's important that the Austin Fire Department, as much as we can, reflect the community in which we serve.

00:28:40.000 I mean, so you get a more diverse fire department and you have more people unnecessarily die.

00:28:49.000 You know, it's such a good idea.

00:28:51.000 Wait, do we have that clip?

00:28:53.000 Because I remember I was watching this, you know, when it came out, because I guess the Austin Fire Association said they obviously knew about this from July 2nd, but they said they didn't want to say anything until the bodies, the recovery operations had started to wind down.

00:29:09.000 And so on Monday of this week is when they did it.

00:29:12.000 And that clip, and I think we're going to grab it here in a minute, that is where he, you can just hear the emotion in his voice.

00:29:18.000 He said, wait a minute, we have the best rescue swimmers in the world.

00:29:22.000 And we train for the hill country.

00:29:24.000 And we know this area from, you know, issues that have happened back in the 1980s here.

00:29:29.000 This is specifically what we train for.

00:29:32.000 And we go to this guy who's from Atlanta.

00:29:34.000 He's not even from Texas, who doesn't understand how bad it can get there, doesn't understand or care about all the kids that are there.

00:29:40.000 And I remember watching this clip going, why is nobody talking about this?

00:29:43.000 And then so I sent it to Bannon.

00:29:45.000 I'm just like sending it everywhere.

00:29:46.000 And it's like, I just don't get why.

00:29:50.000 Well, anyway, it's typical.

00:29:51.000 It just doesn't fit the narrative.

00:29:53.000 Yeah.

00:29:53.000 And it's just, I don't quite understand why there's just such silence on this.

00:29:57.000 And so, so Jack, walk us through the details.

00:30:00.000 How many lives potentially could have been saved here?

00:30:03.000 I mean, you know, Charlie, it's hard to say, but you have to imagine that if you have two of those boats, you know, and they could have been doing multiple runs to and from the disaster area.

00:30:16.000 Obviously, the first run, they'd be able to hand out life jackets, that type of thing.

00:30:20.000 They'd have rescue packs.

00:30:21.000 I mean, directly who they would have targeted for the first rescue, of course, would have been the little girls who were in this bunk down by the river.

00:30:32.000 I have a little bit of training in HADR operations, humanitarian, disaster relief from when I was in the Navy, just from an intel perspective, because there's always a little bit of Intel input in all of these.

00:30:43.000 So I was not in those operations, but just from my basic knowledge from being in the military is that, of course, and having been in the Navy, so obviously we focus on a lot of rescue swimming.

00:30:55.000 Even though, even though shout out to my Coast Guard buddies, the Coasties really do are the best of the best when it comes to that.

00:31:00.000 That, yeah, of course, women and children, right?

00:31:03.000 You're going to be focusing on that.

00:31:04.000 You obviously would go to those kids.

00:31:06.000 And even if you couldn't get them out first, you would have had the supplies for flotation devices.

00:31:10.000 You would have had supplies for potentially rubber rafts or anything.

00:31:16.000 They have one of the biggest swift boat crews.

00:31:18.000 They're considered the very, very best in Texas.

00:31:22.000 And Charlie, I mean, these deaths could have been, certainly for the kids, could have been in single digits had this order gone down or potentially even none, potentially even none.

00:31:33.000 You want to play Cut 380 here?

00:31:35.000 Let's play Cut 380. 0.93

00:31:36.000 Our firefighters are trained for that area.

00:31:38.000 Our firefighters have the equipment.

00:31:40.000 They have the desire.

00:31:41.000 They have the will.

00:31:42.000 They have the power to go up and actually, I know some of those girls could have been survived if we had had the best boat crew the day before on scene.

00:31:50.000 I know it.

00:31:50.000 I know it in my heart.

00:31:51.000 I know it as a battalion chief.

00:31:53.000 I know it as a former Swiftwater tech myself.

00:31:57.000 And the fact that we didn't do it and we let them down is just unconscionable.

00:32:06.000 It's just a terrible situation.

00:32:08.000 And we don't know based on what happened at Camp Mystic.

00:32:12.000 I doubt how many people could have been saved, but plenty of other people could have been saved.

00:32:16.000 Probably right, Blake.

00:32:17.000 Yeah, and even if one person could have been saved, like, okay, why would you decide to hire based on diversity metrics and then eventually you get things like this and eventually People die.

00:32:30.000 And it's so hard to communicate this to people because it usually is operating in this realm of it's hard to ever say directly this thing happened because of this policy that we did.

00:32:42.000 Instead, it's all decay along the margins.

00:32:45.000 Think of it like, think of it, you know, like a it's you know, it's, I think of it actually in terms of sports.

00:32:53.000 So do you remember when the Packers like choked away that game against the Seahawks in the NFC Championship?

00:32:59.000 Yes.

00:33:01.000 Yeah, which year it was like 07?

00:33:03.000 It was 2014.

00:33:04.000 I remember it, of course.

00:33:06.000 And the thing about it is it was this big disaster.

00:33:08.000 We lost the NFC Championship.

00:33:09.000 But for it to happen, about like 10 different things had to go wrong that were all extremely bad.

00:33:15.000 And if any of them had not happened, that disaster wouldn't have occurred.

00:33:18.000 And a lot of disasters with DEI are like that.

00:33:21.000 It's that you're getting decay in all these little spaces that allow a big disaster to happen.

00:33:27.000 So it's not specifically, oh, if we had a different fire chief there, then all these lives would be saved.

00:33:34.000 But it might be he would be a little bit more competent.

00:33:36.000 Maybe their hiring would have been better because they wouldn't have been quite as diversity focused in all of their hiring, all of their promotions.

00:33:42.000 Maybe because they weren't doing it based on that, their training would be a little bit better.

00:33:46.000 Their preparedness would be a little bit better.

00:33:48.000 And all of these things along the line.

00:33:51.000 And you'd be saying, okay, here and there, it saves one life here, one life there.

00:33:56.000 And we'd be talking, it'd still be a disastrous flood, but maybe it would be 80 people who died instead of 120 people.

00:34:03.000 That's 40 people.

00:34:05.000 You could even have a situation where, you know, if they've got one boat and one crew, they're just going out and they're checking which, you know, which cabins are closer to the river.

00:34:14.000 And they say, hey, if this cabin is closer, let's just hand out some flotation devices here.

00:34:18.000 We're going to just, you know, hey, best practices.

00:34:21.000 Hope you guys are ready for this.

00:34:22.000 Because they were totally caught unawares.

00:34:24.000 Everyone was caught unawares of this.

00:34:26.000 And if you had just had people in the area who are able to do this job and deployed them, you would have done this.

00:34:31.000 And by the way, you know, I'm just going to say it, you know, this is the same type of thing.

00:34:36.000 President Trump, what it was the first week of his administration, we had that horrific crash based on pilot error down here at Reagan National Airport when the Blackhawk, female Blackhawk pilot just crashed into that passenger plane.

00:34:49.000 And you had all of those kids that were on that plane coming home from an ice skating competition.

00:34:55.000 It was like a youth ice skating competition.

00:34:57.000 They were coming home.

00:34:58.000 They're all killed.

00:34:59.000 And I remember I was with Secretary Noam and we.

00:35:02.000 And that story kind of disappeared.

00:35:04.000 The fact that we flew.

00:35:05.000 So we were at the airport and we, you know, we were flying somewhere else, but we actually flew and I could see the helicopter in the water.

00:35:13.000 And I just remember thinking, it's like, these things, these disasters, are they getting worse?

00:35:20.000 And, you know, the left wants to say it's climate, but it really is what Blake is saying.

00:35:25.000 It's just this sort of like these issues along the margins are just piling up and it all comes back to, and yes, that did come out that it was pilot error.

00:35:33.000 And yes, it was the New York Times that put that all out based on a very exhaustive investigation of everything that went.

00:35:40.000 And I'm sure there were other errors as well.

00:35:42.000 But that's why you really have to ask questions about what's going on when we have policies like this in place.

00:35:46.000 But just to repeat it, like DEI, we know ruins the culture of excellence.

00:35:50.000 And there's no way that excellence can coexist with diversity, equity, inclusion.

00:35:55.000 They cannot coexist.

00:35:56.000 top priority is either excellence or your top priority is something else.

00:36:02.000 It is your other priority.

00:36:03.000 That is your top priority.

00:36:04.000 Just to be clear, this fire chief from Atlanta said, I want to try to make the Austin Fire Department blacker, essentially.

00:36:10.000 Or diverse.

00:36:11.000 He also said gayer.

00:36:12.000 He wanted to make it gayer too.

00:36:13.000 Ah, gayer and blacker. 1.00

00:36:15.000 And in the pursuit of gay and blackness, then all of a sudden you stop to have excellence. 0.99

00:36:20.000 This guy did not earn his way to the top.

00:36:22.000 DEI means didn't earn it. 0.78

00:36:23.000 So, and just like, I want to make sure I'm not misquoting anything.

00:36:26.000 Who's accusing him here?

00:36:28.000 I believe it's the Austin Firefighters Union.

00:36:31.000 His own rank and file people.

00:36:32.000 The Austin Firefighters Union wants to hold a vote of no confidence.

00:36:35.000 I don't think that means anything.

00:36:37.000 But they had a quote.

00:36:38.000 No, they had a quote, though, too, where their quote was that they tried to explain the reimbursement thing, and they didn't understand it.

00:36:44.000 Like, they sat down with him, like, hey, if we send this stuff out to Kerrville, then the cost will be reimbursed.

00:36:51.000 And did he not?

00:36:52.000 I don't think he knew the word reimbursement.

00:36:54.000 He said, Charlie, I have the exact quote.

00:36:56.000 I explained the reimbursement process to Chief Baker last week, and he failed to understand this very simple concept.

00:37:05.000 Yeah, doesn't understand the word reimbursement.

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00:38:12.000 Here is former Houston City Board official Sadie Perkins, appointed by a Democrat who sparks outrage over saying, well, Mystic was a whites-only conservative Christian camp.

00:38:24.000 You got to wonder that, was there a reason did they, did they fail to deploy resources out to Kerrville because of some pent-up resentment towards white people?

00:38:34.000 I wouldn't go that far.

00:38:36.000 I'm asking the question.

00:38:37.000 Charlie, we have a lot of...

00:38:41.000 I don't know.

00:38:41.000 He doesn't know what a reimbursement is.

00:38:43.000 There's a general sentiment that there is race war type stuff that happens outside the Houston area.

00:38:49.000 Imagine if a white fire chief in Birmingham, Alabama failed to deploy fire stuff two to three days in advance of a black neighborhood or a black camp. 0.98

00:39:00.000 They would say that then, and I think it would be untrue to say that.

00:39:03.000 We have this piece of tape.

00:39:04.000 You got to listen to the tape.

00:39:05.000 Play cut 363.

00:39:07.000 I know I'm probably going to get canceled for this, but Camp Mystic is a whites-only girls-Christian camp. 1.00

00:39:17.000 They don't even have a token Asian. 0.59

00:39:19.000 They don't have a token black person. 0.92

00:39:21.000 It is a all-white, white-only conservative Christian camp. 0.91

00:39:27.000 If you ain't white, you ain't right. 1.00

00:39:29.000 You ain't getting in, you ain't going. 0.86

00:39:31.000 Period.

00:39:32.000 And I think that context needs to be said in this matter.

00:39:38.000 It's not to say that we don't want the girls to be found, whatever girls that are missing or whatever right now, but you best believe, especially in today's political climate, if this were a group of Hispanic girls, especially with them being in East Texas, it should be most likely Hispanic.

00:39:57.000 If this were a group of Hispanic girls out there, this would not be getting this type of coverage that they're getting. 1.00

00:40:03.000 Look, I think Blake's probably right to say, look, we can't say definitively that this black DEI chief that didn't understand the word reimbursement, you know, according to, again, allegedly according to the accusation now publicly, you know, published, was that really the harbored, you know, white anti-white resentment?

00:40:22.000 But there is a lot of anti-white resentment in this country.

00:40:25.000 And let's just, let me just hypothetical, Blake.

00:40:28.000 If all of a sudden a flood zone was going to go after the blackest county in Texas, would this DEI chief have blamed reimbursements?

00:40:37.000 Would he have blamed cost?

00:40:38.000 That's a good, that's a better question, isn't it?

00:40:40.000 Would he have gone above and beyond if it wasn't anywhere but basically a very white area of Kerrville?

00:40:47.000 I don't want to racialize this stuff.

00:40:49.000 They're bringing it to our forefront.

00:40:52.000 Jack.

00:40:52.000 Well, one piece of information.

00:40:54.000 No, I think these are the types of questions that unfortunately we have to start asking again because the left has spent a decade plus asking them and demanding that we look at the systemic inequalities of every decision and everything that goes down.

00:41:10.000 You know, when the George Floyd situation happens with Derek Chauvin and they immediately racialize this and put it to the entire, put the entire country through this gaping inferno because of this.

00:41:23.000 And it comes out that actually the guy had, you know, a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system and he had a heart tumor to begin with.

00:41:30.000 You know, it didn't matter.

00:41:31.000 It didn't matter them.

00:41:32.000 It didn't matter for the billion dollars that was lost in those riots.

00:41:35.000 It didn't matter for everything else.

00:41:36.000 That didn't matter at all.

00:41:37.000 So there, and so what?

00:41:38.000 We can't just ask the question of how they would have reacted.

00:41:41.000 No, I don't think so.

00:41:42.000 Charlie, by the way, I did want to add, though, that on this Austin fire chief, that he's actually embroiled in a lawsuit right now with his former, the former chaplain of the Austin fire department, because the former chaplain was fired back in 2021 by the same police chief, or excuse me, the same fire chief.

00:42:00.000 Why did Joel Baker fire him?

00:42:01.000 Well, he fired the chaplain because, and it sounds like this is, you know, just made for conservative media talking point, but it's actually true.

00:42:10.000 He fired the chaplain because the chaplain wrote on his personal blog that he didn't believe that transgenders should be in women's sports.

00:42:20.000 And so this police chief fired the chaplain, the guy who's there to like pray for the, you know, the firemen and the swimmers and, you know, in situations like this to be there for families and victims.

00:42:31.000 He fired him over trans in women's sports and is currently being sued under First Amendment grounds.

00:42:39.000 The Alliance for Defending Freedom is on board with this lawsuit.

00:42:43.000 That just happened a couple of years ago.

00:42:44.000 Same guy.

00:42:45.000 This woke as they come.

00:42:48.000 And Charlie, the point that you're making too is really, I think, relevant because there is an animosity that exists, particularly in Texas, because Texas actually is the home for a lot of the Cotillion type programs that exist, the Junior Cotillion that exists.

00:43:03.000 And it's historically white, and it's focused on white females.

00:43:08.000 Well, there's a huge anti-white woman resentment.

00:43:12.000 Basically, the only white conservatives that exist now go through programs like this.

00:43:16.000 Totally.

00:43:17.000 And so this camp, this Camp Mystic, has a lot of that same aura, the families that do this and all that.

00:43:26.000 And there is animosity that's pent up, particularly in the Houston area, because you brought up Houston, because there is this black versus white mentality that's been crafted basically since Barack Obama was president, where it's just this stoking of racial divide and animosity that exists within the country.

00:43:44.000 And people have been angry and attacking these types of institutions for a long time.

00:43:49.000 This camp that actually hit this massive tragedy is a camp that's very much associated with that type of upbringing.

00:43:57.000 And so there is this same like really disgusting atmosphere that exists. 0.99

00:44:02.000 And we've seen some of it online where there have been people of different ethnicities saying, well, maybe those white girls deserve to die. 0.99

00:44:10.000 Maybe those, maybe those people. 0.98

00:44:12.000 And that is the type of stuff that is tearing apart the country that we're seeing.

00:44:17.000 But it's a real problem that exists.

00:44:19.000 And when you overlay it with this entire, the DEI hiring and everything else that you talk about that's happening in our communities where we have members of prominent members of the community, and we've seen this here in Arizona too, that utilize the moments of racial inequality or divide to let loose the standards that we need to actually run society and then attack other members of society just basically because they're white.

00:44:48.000 Nothing ever gets fixed and actually spirals us into more problems.

00:44:53.000 And I'm afraid that's what's going to happen here.

00:44:55.000 You have three kids.

00:44:56.000 I have two kids.

00:44:56.000 Jack has two kids.

00:44:57.000 Andrew, not on screen, has three kids. 0.99

00:44:59.000 And just to think that any of our kids would be jeopardized because we have to be worried about being called a racist, like screw you, actually. 0.58

00:45:05.000 Like we're not doing that.

00:45:07.000 And this all goes back to Obama suing the Austin Police Department because it's not.

00:45:11.000 And they did this.

00:45:12.000 It's not black. 0.98

00:45:13.000 Just fire.

00:45:13.000 They did this with all of these police departments where they would say you're racist in your hiring.

00:45:18.000 So that's how we got, for example, like Memphis Police Department.

00:45:22.000 Phoenix was hijacked by the DOJ.

00:45:24.000 Yeah.

00:45:24.000 So they basically end up with these consent decrees.

00:45:26.000 So you have to hire less qualified police who are more likely To do misconduct, more likely to do a shooting unjustified, more likely to do anything inept or corrupt because they're less qualified.

00:45:36.000 And then also, you're forced to dial back your enforcement stuff.

00:45:39.000 Oh, don't pull over people as much.

00:45:40.000 Don't arrest people as much.

00:45:41.000 Don't stop and frisk people as much.

00:45:43.000 And that directly leads to a higher murder rate. 0.89

00:45:46.000 Literally, we don't even need to speculate on this fire.

00:45:49.000 Thousands of people are dead because of what DEI did to America's crime rates and to our police departments.

00:45:54.000 Yes, and this is just yet another example.

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00:46:37.000 And by the way, I've texted all my Texas people while we're here right now.

00:46:40.000 Like, why are you guys not talking about this?

00:46:42.000 I mean, okay, yeah, I understand that there's still wreckage to be, you know, sorted out, but this is a, I mean, just to be clear, if you guys are.

00:46:50.000 And none of us are Texans.

00:46:52.000 No, and I mean, look, I have a very strong opinion about kind of the LARPing Texan thing that we could do at a different time.

00:47:00.000 And Jack knows exactly what I'm talking about.

00:47:02.000 Oh, boy.

00:47:04.000 I was talking about it all over this week.

00:47:06.000 And just tough, tough Texas.

00:47:08.000 Tough, tough Texas.

00:47:09.000 Just to be fair, San Antonio is closer to Kerrville, so I think we should also find out if their fire department wasn't deployed.

00:47:15.000 But Austin is a bigger city than San Antonio.

00:47:18.000 I think, actually, Austin.

00:47:20.000 It might be now, yeah.

00:47:23.000 It's weird because San Antonio is bigger itself, but it eats all of its suburbs.

00:47:27.000 Yeah, I think Austin proper is definitely bigger.

00:47:32.000 San Antonio proper is bigger, but Austin's got more real suburbs.

00:47:35.000 So got it.

00:47:36.000 Okay.

00:47:37.000 So for whatever reason.

00:47:38.000 Which one has more resources is the question?

00:47:40.000 Well, yeah.

00:47:40.000 Austin's way richer.

00:47:41.000 Yeah, so therefore, that's not...

00:47:48.000 So that means San Antonio also did not send pre-deployment resources.

00:47:53.000 So it was a statewide call.

00:47:55.000 Maybe they did, or it wasn't enough.

00:47:57.000 But here's the kicker.

00:48:00.000 we did not invite this.

00:48:02.000 We did not like find a random, We did not find a random fire chief. 0.92

00:48:08.000 Be like, oh, he's black. 1.00

00:48:10.000 This is his own firefighters accusing him of this. 0.94

00:48:15.000 This is his own rank and file that are saying this guy did not understand.

00:48:19.000 And let me just be clear.

00:48:20.000 This is a pattern. 0.97

00:48:21.000 The Los Angeles fires, it was a bunch of lesbians running the Los Angeles Fire Department. 1.00

00:48:27.000 And the San Antonio Fire Chief, again, I don't know if she acted correctly or not, but she's a black woman. 0.99

00:48:33.000 And so at some point, again, we don't know.

00:48:35.000 Maybe she did wonderful and maybe everyone was heroic and maybe her people think are great.

00:48:40.000 But you're looking around the room.

00:48:42.000 At some point, you got to ask the question, where are the qualified people?

00:48:45.000 Are you there because you're qualified or there because you checked a box?

00:48:48.000 This is a scary part, Charlie, is that what they want to do to each of our communities is they want to balloon them so big that they're basically unmanageable and untenable and make it so that every suburban community basically becomes what was probably in the 50s considered a large city.

00:49:06.000 And so you're heading in a direction where you're not going to have the capacity to manage your local community, your suburbs in the way that was once thought that you could manage with like basically just direct democratic rule where you can remove people and replace people.

00:49:25.000 And so they want to get in people like this that are going to continue to destroy.

00:49:31.000 They're going to build up the communities, make them bigger and balloon them to sizes that you can't control.

00:49:35.000 But you're going to see more of like what Blake just mentioned, these problems on the margins that continue to exist where you and I don't have a place to live because you don't want to live in a community that's even remotely close to that size.

00:49:50.000 And so what does that mean?

00:49:52.000 That means excluding normal, regular citizens that want to participate in society out to the outskirts of America where you can't really have any control and they'll continue to manipulate like communists do the large portion of the population.

00:50:09.000 But I believe that this is actually part of their entire strategy is they want to have people like this in because it continues to push out people like us, like people that want to have kids.

00:50:20.000 They just want to have normal lives.

00:50:21.000 I'm not living in those cities.

00:50:22.000 Are you kidding me?

00:50:23.000 But this is the problem is they continue to build up the cities and insert people like this because they know that you and I probably won't leave, right?

00:50:31.000 We're going to fight.

00:50:32.000 But there are people who leave that we've, we've, we know lots of people who have said, forget it, I'm moving to the middle of nowhere and I'm going to homeschool my kids and, you know, live the farm style life because I don't want to live in a city that is going to cause me harm.

00:50:46.000 The fire chief of the town I live in went to Harvard.

00:50:49.000 Like, what is that all about?

00:50:50.000 Yeah, like, this is what I'm saying.

00:50:51.000 So, like, you have, you have towns that are literally, again, in the 50s, a big city in America was considered like 100,000 people.

00:51:00.000 Today, a big city in America is considered a million people.

00:51:04.000 You have most of your suburbs are far exceeding 100,000 people.

00:51:09.000 And they're inserting people that went to Harvard as a fire chief.

00:51:15.000 That's not a normal thing.

00:51:16.000 That's not normal.

00:51:17.000 I don't like this.

00:51:21.000 But nobody wants that job, Charlie.

00:51:23.000 A regular person that came up to the fire ranks in McKinney, Texas, or in Gilbert, Arizona, or San Bernardino, California doesn't want that job because of all the focus and pressure.

00:51:35.000 And what they want is protection based on race.

00:51:40.000 And that's the only way.

00:51:41.000 Let's go to AI.

00:51:42.000 All right, yeah, this is just a fun one.

00:51:43.000 I really wanted to hit this.

00:51:45.000 So this is a billion-dollar industry, we're told.

00:51:50.000 This is a headline in the Hollywood Reporter yesterday.

00:51:52.000 I love you, send Bitcoin inside the billion-dollar celebrity impersonation scam.

00:51:57.000 I have to read this quote because it's amazing.

00:51:59.000 In November, Margaret climbed into her Toyota Camry, left her husband of 10 years at their brick home in the rural South, and drove an hour to a hotel where she was sure Kevin Costner was coming to meet her.

00:52:11.000 By this point, Margaret, 73, had spent months making weekly Bitcoin deposits for Costner, totaling about $100,000.

00:52:20.000 He had messaged her that he was using the money to set up a new production company, which she would eventually work for with him.

00:52:26.000 Margaret knew that some people would find it odd that an Oscar winner and the star of Yellowstone would need financial help from a retired office manager that he had met on Facebook.

00:52:35.000 But Margaret wasn't exactly a nobody.

00:52:38.000 She had achieved some renown for activism she'd done, and she had even delivered a TED Talk.

00:52:44.000 She was special, and Costner saw it.

00:52:47.000 It was, of course, he was sending her AI generated.

00:52:51.000 Someone was sending her AI-generated images.

00:52:53.000 Did she really do a TED Talk?

00:52:54.000 Yes.

00:52:55.000 I mean, we don't know her real identity.

00:52:56.000 They covered it up.

00:52:57.000 I would cover up that.

00:52:58.000 There was some guy in Bangladesh that's like now living like a king that was like in some slum. 1.00

00:53:04.000 Right?

00:53:04.000 Now all of a sudden he like has slaves.

00:53:07.000 How much money do you get off of her? 1.00

00:53:08.000 $100,000 a year.

00:53:09.000 There's a ton of money in Bangladesh.

00:53:11.000 Yeah.

00:53:11.000 $100K.

00:53:12.000 Wow.

00:53:13.000 That's big money.

00:53:14.000 It's like 10 years of living.

00:53:15.000 Do we have the photo here?

00:53:16.000 We have the name Bladi.

00:53:17.000 Let's get this photo up here because it's amazing.

00:53:21.000 Like this has happened before, but it's like with Photoshop and AI.

00:53:25.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:53:26.000 You can make this.

00:53:27.000 You're making this.

00:53:28.000 This is bad.

00:53:30.000 This is really bad for civilization.

00:53:32.000 Brains are cooked, man.

00:53:33.000 No.

00:53:35.000 Stop.

00:53:36.000 Wait, so you're actually, actually, folks, just so you know, I have actually been on vacation in Botswana all week, and all of the Jack Pesobics that you've seen lately, that's all AI.

00:53:51.000 Human Events Daily, War Room, it's all AI.

00:53:54.000 But this technology here, insurmountable.

00:53:57.000 Absolutely.

00:53:58.000 And there's no way to defeat it.

00:53:59.000 I mean, just look at how seamless it is.

00:54:01.000 And so what's important?

00:54:03.000 By the way, it's so cheap to use a voice changer.

00:54:07.000 He couldn't even use the voice changer.

00:54:09.000 They had to hold up a picture.

00:54:12.000 So they'd use both of those and like, yeah, and they can use AI to change.

00:54:16.000 It's generally me, I promise.

00:54:17.000 Yeah, and you can use AI.

00:54:19.000 Terrible.

00:54:20.000 It's crazy because this is only right now.

00:54:22.000 The technology is as bad as it will ever be because it will only get better from here.

00:54:27.000 They will have better technology.

00:54:28.000 They can do the more realistic videos, more realistic photos.

00:54:32.000 They can make the voices super accurate.

00:54:34.000 They can make the text messages sound the way that they sound.

00:54:37.000 It's only going to get worse from here.

00:54:39.000 And we're going to have Charlie Kirk messaging all the people who are fans of Turning Point saying, like, look, Turning Point's in trouble.

00:54:46.000 I need you to send me $100,000 in Bitcoin to this address.

00:54:50.000 It's already a problem.

00:54:51.000 Look at this.

00:54:51.000 This one's totally fake.

00:54:52.000 And some boomers thought it was real.

00:54:53.000 Play cut 378.

00:54:55.000 Americans have every right to be because it should have been done sooner.

00:54:59.000 For the longest time, corporations have been allowed to price gouge on regulated industries like insurance.

00:55:04.000 And now because of this administration, every American has a right to go to this page and request a state-applied reduction to any auto insurance bill.

00:55:14.000 The subsidy lowers your payment without any loss of coverage.

00:55:18.000 All carriers have to comply.

00:55:20.000 And if you're a U.S. citizen, go do it this week.

00:55:23.000 So, first of all, everything you just saw was fake.

00:55:27.000 My grandma's a die-hard Charlie Kirk fan, watches RAV every single day. 0.92

00:55:31.000 I 100% guarantee you she would fall for this.

00:55:35.000 I love Grammy, if you're listening right now, because she probably is.

00:55:40.000 She would probably fall for this.

00:55:41.000 And this is how I know too, Charlie.

00:55:44.000 My grandma actually had like a zillion things taken out of her bank account from the RNC stuff.

00:55:50.000 Oh, that's bad news.

00:55:52.000 And I was pissed off about it because I went through all this.

00:55:55.000 She's on a fixed income, whatever, right?

00:55:57.000 All this stuff.

00:55:57.000 But this is the kind of stuff that's going to totally take advantage of seniors.

00:56:00.000 Totally.

00:56:02.000 So this went, wait, so this went viral on Facebook?

00:56:04.000 This turned out millions of engagements.

00:56:06.000 Millions of views.

00:56:07.000 I have already told you.

00:56:08.000 Who put it out?

00:56:10.000 Some Pakistani. 0.99

00:56:11.000 I have already told my parents, like, you know, they run these scams where they pretend to be your kids, you know?

00:56:16.000 Yes.

00:56:16.000 So I'm just like, look, you know, it is conceivable.

00:56:20.000 Like, we should have a passphrase that we can use if you're worried it's not actually me.

00:56:25.000 Well, I can't remember what the passphrase was.

00:56:26.000 So I'll have to work on that one.

00:56:28.000 Don't say it on your own.

00:56:29.000 Talk to your parents about what your plans would be because this is a real thing that's going to happen.

00:56:35.000 You need a safe word.

00:56:36.000 I've gotten fake calls.

00:56:38.000 They also can call from the number.

00:56:40.000 Yeah.

00:56:40.000 They can spoof the number, spoof the voice.

00:56:43.000 They can't spoof FaceTime audio or they can't spoof your apps yet.

00:56:46.000 Yet.

00:56:48.000 That's key.

00:56:49.000 And by the way, if you have a problem, if you have any sort of concern, just hang up and call the person back.

00:56:54.000 That's thick.

00:56:55.000 All right, we got to go.

00:56:56.000 The show was all non-AI, just for the record.

00:57:00.000 That's just what an AI version of Trump is.

00:57:02.000 We're going to talk about AI in a future show.

00:57:04.000 I see it getting, I use AI a lot.

00:57:07.000 Last 30 days, it's getting worse, not better.

00:57:08.000 It's actually, and I have a whole theory on it.

00:57:10.000 I'm key on catching stuff in it.

00:57:12.000 The slop theory is real. 1.00

00:57:14.000 It's real.

00:57:15.000 It's slower.

00:57:16.000 It's lagging.

00:57:17.000 It's also not as precise.

00:57:18.000 It's cutting corners because of the volume of interest.

00:57:22.000 You heard it here first.

00:57:23.000 All right, everybody.

00:57:24.000 See you guys next week.

00:57:25.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:57:26.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:57:29.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 12, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 90 — The Epstein Nothingburger? Death by DEI? Celebrity AI Scams?

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