The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 91 — The Epstein Hoax? Somali Mayors? Bowling Alone?

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00:00:59.000 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime.

00:01:04.000 We're doing things a little bit different this week.

00:01:07.000 Of course, today is Thought Crime Thursday came early because we're all committing thought crimes, apparently all the time.

00:01:15.000 And unfortunately, Charlie Kirk committed so many thought crimes that he has been put in thought crime time out.

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00:01:32.000 You have to deal with the rest of the thought crime crew.

00:01:35.000 So we've got all the rest of the four of us here.

00:01:37.000 We've got myself, Jack Sobic, we've got producer Andrew, and we've got Blake Neff and Tyler Boyer.

00:01:43.000 What's up, guys?

00:01:44.000 Woo-woo. 0.89

00:01:45.000 Jack.

00:01:46.000 So we're doing things a little bit early this week.

00:01:48.000 And the reason that we are doing this early this week is because of, of course, all the news about Epstein.

00:01:57.000 Yes, the curious case of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:02:00.000 This case where, you know, we think it's done.

00:02:03.000 We think it's more's coming out.

00:02:05.000 We think that it's been settled.

00:02:07.000 Oh, wait, it's not settled.

00:02:08.000 And then, you know, one day a bunch of us get invited to the White House and we get told that there's going to be a phased release.

00:02:14.000 And then we get told there is no release, et cetera, et cetera.

00:02:18.000 That's kind of where things are at, though.

00:02:20.000 Interestingly enough, and so as we are live right now, and there is an interview that was pre-recorded between President Trump and John Solomon that's going to come out later, I think in about two hours time for where we are right now.

00:02:34.000 And in that, President Trump, and I've spoken to John Solomon about this, that President Trump is going to come out and embrace a special prosecutor, not just for sort of the Russiagate stuff and the various hoaxes related to that, but also one that he wants to have on Epstein.

00:02:54.000 And this is something that is going to come out in just a few hours.

00:02:58.000 So one special prosecutor for really looking into all of this stuff that goes back, you know, even probably before 2016.

00:03:07.000 But that's where we're at.

00:03:08.000 President Trump had a truth up earlier today.

00:03:11.000 And well, everything has broken loose.

00:03:14.000 Blake, maybe you want to bring us all up to speed on that.

00:03:17.000 I mean, a lot of stuff has happened over the last few days.

00:03:17.000 All right.

00:03:21.000 It's been escalating.

00:03:23.000 And kind of what's, you know, you can see below the subhead, the Epstein hoax.

00:03:27.000 And that is the label that has currently been given to the entire story by the President of the United States himself.

00:03:33.000 He said on Truth Social this morning, he says it is the Epstein hoax.

00:03:38.000 And he says it's in a lineage with the Russia hoax, the Hunter Biden hoax, or really the Hunter Biden narrative that it was a hoax or double hoaxes within hoaxes here.

00:03:49.000 But he basically says it's into this whole stream, you know, Jack Smith stuff.

00:03:54.000 All of these come together and that the Epstein case is one of these things.

00:03:57.000 And he actually says, if you are a supporter of mine, you will reject all of this and stop talking about it and have it all go away.

00:04:06.000 I think we can all say, having talked to various members of the base, there are certainly a lot of people who are not going to let this go away.

00:04:14.000 I do think that it is probably an issue that resonates the most with highly online, highly engaged, like people who are really wrapped up in the media narrative of things.

00:04:26.000 I don't think it matters as much to probably, like, I don't imagine my parents are closely following this, for example, and they're big Trump supporters, of course.

00:04:37.000 But I do think more people care about it than the president said in his truth post.

00:04:42.000 Hey, Blake, do you think, do you think, actually, let me throw that out?

00:04:47.000 Is this one of those issues as well where it's sort of, there's a split?

00:04:50.000 And I'll open this up for everyone, where there's sort of a split based on where you get your news from, where your primary source of news is.

00:04:57.000 Whereas, so for people who are on social media, people who are tracking that, you know, this is a huge issue.

00:05:03.000 This has obviously been dominating, what, like almost the, has it been two weeks?

00:05:07.000 I think it's almost been two weeks since the, uh, that memo came out on the 4th of July weekend, or I guess a week and a half at this point.

00:05:15.000 And in a way that it's just not really penetrated until just now cable news.

00:05:23.000 Well, I have a feeling on that.

00:05:25.000 So, I mean, as somebody who interacts with the media as part of my day job, they basically told me that there was no there there.

00:05:34.000 And so they're not going to ask a question about something that they consider to be a conspiracy theory.

00:05:38.000 But they quickly betrayed the pat answer that I was receiving when they saw that MAGA and the base was upset about this issue and they wanted more transparency and answers.

00:05:50.000 So they are giddily covering the fact that there is discontent in the MAGA base and that Trump is at odds with his base or whatever.

00:05:59.000 So while they won't cover the actual substance of the story to any degree, they will cover that there is a split between the base and the president, seemingly tonally at the top.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, it seems like that's the story that's built on the story.

00:06:14.000 So it's now it's more of a story talking about the infighting than it is about actually the substance like Andrew's alluding to with Epstein.

00:06:24.000 But I thought it was really interesting.

00:06:25.000 I think CNN came out with a poll that said like 97% of Americans care about Epstein.

00:06:30.000 So if they say that, I think I'm going to, so this is going to be the hour where I just make all the people watching really angry because, you know, I'm going to be what?

00:06:39.000 Blue pill Blake?

00:06:40.000 Is that what I'm going to be this time?

00:06:42.000 Blake the Contrarian.

00:06:43.000 Like if you were an ancient king, you would have been Blake the Contrarian. 0.81

00:06:47.000 Something like that.

00:06:48.000 Well, I do have an ancient king, yeah, maybe.

00:06:50.000 Blake, before we dig into that, you know, let's, let's, so this, this Quinnipiac poll just dropped, and I think we're all looking at it right now.

00:07:00.000 It says 63% of voters disapprove of the Trump administration's handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files.

00:07:05.000 Quinnipec University national poll finds nearly half of voters would consider joining a third party, not just one created by Musk.

00:07:13.000 Okay, that's a separate question.

00:07:14.000 And it said only 17% of voters say that they approve of the way Trump is handling his the Epstein files.

00:07:25.000 And there's just a comment from the analyst, and he says, Epstein has been dead and gone for years, but his tawdry legacy looms large in a country wanting to know more about who he knew and whether secrets have been buried with him.

00:07:39.000 It also gets into Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, and Cash Patel.

00:07:44.000 So I want to go to Blake here.

00:07:46.000 Blake, when you look at stuff like this, let's talk about not just the case itself, because I feel like the story has become even bigger than that.

00:07:55.000 It's the handling of all of this.

00:07:57.000 And, you know, I'm a little biased.

00:08:00.000 Obviously, I disapprove of the handling of it, but because in the way that I've been wrapped up in all of this and the way that the focus has become on binders and influencers and meetings and all this nonsense rather than actually getting to the facts.

00:08:15.000 But Blake, what is your sense of all this?

00:08:17.000 And has the handling of this been what's riled this up?

00:08:21.000 Yeah, so let's go back to what the original assertion is in the leaked memo and in subsequent statements.

00:08:29.000 The statement is basically, Epstein did kill himself.

00:08:32.000 He wasn't murdered.

00:08:33.000 Epstein didn't have a blackmail list.

00:08:36.000 There's no file of like who he was blackmailing.

00:08:39.000 And basically, we don't have additional crimes we can prosecute.

00:08:43.000 All we have is the stuff that was committed by Epstein and by Maxwell, which like they had, they had illegal, you know, child videos, but it was just normal.

00:08:51.000 It was like normal abuse.

00:08:52.000 I don't want to say normal, but it was just like stuff they could have downloaded off the internet.

00:08:56.000 It was not like made by themselves is what they say.

00:09:00.000 And so there's basically no one to prosecute.

00:09:03.000 There's no deeper hidden thing here. 0.73

00:09:06.000 This is a pervert who died and he is still dead. 0.95

00:09:10.000 He can't be punished anymore. 0.98

00:09:11.000 And that's all there is to it.

00:09:13.000 And I think where they erred is that they didn't appreciate that this was going to, for lack of a better term, like it's going to disappoint people.

00:09:24.000 There's a good portion of people out there, especially the ones who follow it most avidly, who they really believe that there is something to the Epstein story that could be exposed, that there are important individuals, whether in intelligence or in finance or in politics,

00:09:45.000 Hollywood, who were involved in this sort of like sordid elite sex ring, and they were either just enthusiastic participants or they were kind of entrapped and then blackmailed by Epstein.

00:09:57.000 And there's something that could be revealed here and that it's not being revealed as sort of emblematic of like how powerful people can be protected in America.

00:10:04.000 So I'll just go with, let's assume that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi and the president, of course, are all correct in telling the truth.

00:10:13.000 And I think we generally do trust these people, that there actually isn't anything to this.

00:10:18.000 They had to appreciate this was going to disappoint people and sort of let them down easily.

00:10:24.000 And the way you do that is you have to kind of come in and say, all right, guys, we're going to lay it all out for you here.

00:10:33.000 I would have gotten Dan Bongino.

00:10:34.000 I would have had him really study everything we had for, you know, dedicate a good few days, maybe a few weeks to getting ready for this.

00:10:41.000 Then you come out in the press conference and you're like, all right, everyone, you've got me for five hours if you need me.

00:10:47.000 And here is what we looked for.

00:10:50.000 Here's what people have said would exist.

00:10:52.000 And we looked for this.

00:10:53.000 And actually, that doesn't exist.

00:10:55.000 All we found was this.

00:10:57.000 We want to dispel some myths.

00:10:59.000 Hit me with all the questions.

00:11:00.000 And you do your best to come out with maximal transparency.

00:11:04.000 Where the misfire happened on this was dump it on Sunday night saying, this is nothing.

00:11:10.000 Don't ask us about it.

00:11:11.000 And getting angry when people ask about it.

00:11:14.000 That is, to the people who care about this, that is the polar opposite of what you want to do.

00:11:19.000 That is essentially aggressively shouting like you have something to hide, even if you don't.

00:11:25.000 It's just, it's a pure strategy thing here.

00:11:28.000 You should have handled this in terms of communication strategy differently if you wanted to make sure people wouldn't get upset about it.

00:11:36.000 Yeah, I think the problem that most people I'm seeing have with everything is, again, this is similar to the way that the media is handling it, is the way that the administration is handling it and then the rings that are around the administration.

00:11:50.000 So right now you kind of have laid out the situation where it's, you know, there's clearly something there that the general public doesn't know about.

00:11:59.000 So like, let's start from the baseline position.

00:12:02.000 And I don't know where Jack wants to jump in on this, but there's a, there is a nucleus of information that exists with Epstein that people don't know about.

00:12:12.000 And the fact that everybody doesn't know about it and the jump to conclusions is like, well, there's a bunch of fake stuff and there's a bunch of things that are hoaxes and there's a bunch of there's hoaxes on hoaxes, right?

00:12:24.000 I think that's what's bothering people so much.

00:12:25.000 It's like, well, okay, well, explain what, what the heck is going on then if there are problems that exist, right?

00:12:32.000 Because that's not the way that it's been framed this entire time.

00:12:35.000 And everyone from the president to people within the administration to the rings again around the president, because there's layers to the president.

00:12:43.000 There are organizations, there are, you know, people who have supported the president.

00:12:49.000 There are people who work in the administration, people outside the administration who have all said the same things for many years now.

00:12:54.000 And there just needs to be a really strongly curated PR Layout of absolutely everything.

00:13:02.000 What is accessible?

00:13:03.000 What's not accessible?

00:13:05.000 Why, what did happen, what didn't happen, why they think it is, right?

00:13:09.000 And the president's team could do that, right?

00:13:12.000 They could come out and say, here are all the things that we thought were true that we don't know or are not, because this is what we have access to now.

00:13:21.000 I think that's probably what's driving most of the issue.

00:13:23.000 And now the fight that is occurring are people that are kind of in those layers having to say, well, I'm defending what I don't know or I'm arguing against what I don't know.

00:13:35.000 And the problem is right now is that it's like everybody's fighting each other.

00:13:41.000 It's like they're going to battle without really knowing what jersey they're wearing when they show up.

00:13:47.000 And then they don't even know what weapons the other guys are going to bring.

00:13:49.000 And so they're fighting battles with, you know, bringing knives to gunfights and guns to knife fights and bazookas to knife fights, right?

00:13:56.000 So like that's kind of what Twitter is in general.

00:13:59.000 That's what X is.

00:14:00.000 And that's kind of where we are in real life now.

00:14:02.000 And the problem is, is like someone's got to clean all that up.

00:14:05.000 So like, again, when you have the, you know, when you have BLM burn down Minneapolis, like someone still has to go clean up Minneapolis and rebuild it.

00:14:14.000 Like that's kind of where we're at right now is where we have like some bazookas and knife fights type situation.

00:14:20.000 Now someone's got to clean that up at some point.

00:14:20.000 There's just a crater there.

00:14:22.000 And most of the people who are doing the work and like trying to win the election next year are going to have to do that.

00:14:28.000 I think it's incumbent upon many of us to realize like, hey, we do deserve answers.

00:14:34.000 We need the answers the right way.

00:14:35.000 We need some really thoughtful leaders.

00:14:37.000 I think Charlie's trying to be one of those people that's in the room that's like, hey, we need some answers.

00:14:42.000 But, you know, whatever the answer is, we need to be prepared that it's not going to be maybe the answer that we were hoping for or that we may not have all the information that's laid out in front of us.

00:14:51.000 Anyways, Jack, I don't know if you, what your thoughts are with that.

00:14:56.000 Yeah, no, I mean, I think we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves here, too, because let's keep in mind that, you know, this was a situation where Trump's Department of Justice, so the DOJ came out and said that there would be a phased release of Epstein files starting with phase one back in February, and that there would be others that followed.

00:15:23.000 So there's two things here, I think, going on.

00:15:27.000 Number one is this, you know, people saying, hey, we want prosecutions.

00:15:33.000 We want this going on.

00:15:34.000 We want to see who else was involved.

00:15:35.000 Okay, that's number one.

00:15:37.000 Number two is the statement that there is nothing else to be released, especially at a time when JFK files, they released them all, threw them up.

00:15:48.000 Anyone can go look at them.

00:15:49.000 Tulsi Gabbard came out and said, hey, we're scanning these things.

00:15:53.000 Some of these files, because they're so old, they've never even been scanned before.

00:15:56.000 They spent a lot of time doing that.

00:15:58.000 She was completely open about it.

00:16:00.000 And they put them right up.

00:16:01.000 And then anyone can go and look at the PDFs.

00:16:02.000 And I believe they're searchable in one way, shape, or form.

00:16:06.000 RFK as well, RFK Sr., I mean, his assassination.

00:16:09.000 They've talked about doing other stuff with files.

00:16:12.000 So those are examples of the way to do accountability right.

00:16:17.000 But when it comes to this, rather than saying, okay, here's the link, everyone can go and look at the Epstein files, which really would have diluted, I think, all of this anger.

00:16:26.000 Instead, it's there are no Epstein files.

00:16:29.000 And that was the initial response, which I think has kind of been, it has kind of been driven over in the past nine, 10 days or so, because obviously if they're talking about who's in the Epstein files, then that means there are files.

00:16:40.000 And so there was this strange unsigned memo that came out on a Sunday night saying there are no Epstein files.

00:16:47.000 And that's just to everyone's, you know, to everyone's response is just ridiculous because people are sitting there going, well, wait a minute.

00:16:56.000 If you're conducting an investigation, obviously there are going to be files.

00:16:59.000 There are going to be memos.

00:17:00.000 They're going to be FBI 302 forms, et cetera, et cetera.

00:17:03.000 And then trying to hide behind this idea of, oh, well, there's child sexual abuse.

00:17:08.000 Nobody wants the child sexual abuse material to come out, obviously.

00:17:11.000 They want the children, if at all possible, as much as possible, to be protected and if at all possible, to get the justice that they really were deprived of when this guy, when he died in that cell.

00:17:26.000 And so when people are really looking at all this, they're saying, why isn't there any information that you can just put up?

00:17:33.000 Where are the emails from the investigation?

00:17:36.000 Where are the memos?

00:17:38.000 Where are the documents?

00:17:39.000 Where are any of these things that anyone could release?

00:17:43.000 Go back to like Julian Assange, when those tranches of emails came out, people could go and search them.

00:17:48.000 You can still go to WikiLeaks and search them right now.

00:17:50.000 And I think that is the second bucket of things that people are looking for.

00:17:54.000 So the first one, yes, prosecutions, absolutely, if possible, we know that this interview is supposedly coming out in about 90 minutes or so with President Trump and John Solomon.

00:18:04.000 But then also troves of documents for people to be able to look through and people be able to research on their own to find out what's actually in there.

00:18:13.000 I think the statement that there's no files at all is really what was driving a lot of this.

00:18:19.000 And Jack, the way that it was released is problematic as well.

00:18:26.000 It was a Sunday night on a holiday weekend.

00:18:29.000 It was this memo leaked to Axios.

00:18:32.000 And by the way, when this is a base issue and you're going to send it to Axios, what exactly do you think the base is going to respond to at that point?

00:18:40.000 But ultimately, I mean, I think that the comm strategy, you're 100% right.

00:18:44.000 It should have been very, very straightforward.

00:18:47.000 Here's our WikiLeaks style document, everything we have.

00:18:50.000 Here's what we don't have.

00:18:52.000 We are working to find that.

00:18:54.000 And as soon as we find that, we will let you know and we will subsequently release it just like we've released this.

00:19:00.000 We have only redacted anything that's related to victims, any names, sources, methods, all that stuff has been released.

00:19:09.000 And I understand that there is potentially, this is one of the excuses I've heard, there's potentially collateral damage in that release.

00:19:16.000 Like, Blake's made the point a lot, at least in our chats, this guy was a socialite.

00:19:21.000 He was out and about.

00:19:23.000 He was, they describe him as having a motor of a curious brain, like he, and He would fly just to go have dinner with professors and scientists and Nobel laureates and all of these things, right?

00:19:36.000 So there's going to be a lot of people that he was interacting with that probably had nothing to do with any of the seedier parts of his activities.

00:19:45.000 And that could potentially sort of ruin their lives, right?

00:19:48.000 At least for a time being.

00:19:49.000 And so that's one of the things that they have been working against and kind of trying to deal with.

00:19:55.000 I don't think that they should give too much credence to that.

00:19:58.000 That shouldn't be the top priority list because it's been so butchered now, Jack, that we're starting to see this reflected in the polling, right?

00:20:07.000 We're seeing it reflected in the polling when it comes to 18 to 29-year-olds.

00:20:11.000 We're seeing, and by the way, that slide with 18 to 29-year-olds has been happening since the Iran situation, which I would have expected had things gone normally to go back up.

00:20:21.000 But I think when you tack on Iran onto the Epstein thing, which again is very online, which 18 to 29-year-olds are very online, this is becoming a compounding effect. 0.65

00:20:30.000 So this is the red and Ukraine. 0.88

00:20:35.000 This is the fire alarm for the base.

00:20:39.000 I actually have something of an in-between view of Epstein.

00:20:42.000 I don't think that we're going to, I don't think of him as the skeleton key that's going to unlock all the mysteries of the previous decades and the intel corruption.

00:20:51.000 It might have some answers.

00:20:52.000 I don't think it's going to unravel all of them.

00:20:54.000 I don't give Epstein that much credit.

00:20:57.000 But the fire alarm here is that when you handle this thing in such a way where people are so pissed about it, that you're going to have a compounding effect that shows up in the polling, which then means it's going to have an impact in the midterms.

00:21:10.000 So if you want to get impeached again, this is the way you do it, is you just keep ignoring it.

00:21:15.000 So we have to address it and you have to just sort of say, hey, listen, you guys are going to be disappointed.

00:21:20.000 I'll give you everything we got.

00:21:21.000 Let's go.

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00:22:20.000 Well, Blake's position is that nothing happened and that everything, we should just ignore everything that happened at that little hour.

00:22:27.000 Well, so I would say, I think there's like almost there's this information.

00:22:32.000 He actually said that.

00:22:33.000 He actually said that both he and Michael Jackson are in the same camp, that there was nothing bad that ever went down.

00:22:41.000 This is all.

00:22:42.000 I'm thinking Michael Jackson was probably just totally innocent.

00:22:45.000 No, Epstein, it seems pretty clear.

00:22:47.000 Epstein actually had like crimes with underage girls. 1.00

00:22:51.000 I don't know the full extent of them, but here's the deal, though, Blake.

00:22:56.000 I have people who are down at the U.S. Virgin Islands and the follow-up to that, I mean, they've gone in and out of that place.

00:23:04.000 Tyler, walk through this for people because I've been meaning to sort of ask you offline about this, but if you're bringing it up, bring it up because I know that you know more about the U.S. Virgin Islands connection.

00:23:17.000 Keep in mind, folks, this is where the Epstein island was, and people don't even remember that one of that that they remember the two cases, the Florida case against Epstein, and then also the New York case, but there was a third case in the U.S. Virgin Islands.

00:23:34.000 So just for everyone's understanding at home, there is some really sketchy stuff just in general that goes on down at the U.S. Virgin Islands.

00:23:42.000 And so the political parties that are established, which are American political parties, both Republican and Democrat, operate down there and operate as holding companies for so much political dollars.

00:23:58.000 I mean, this is a tiny place.

00:24:01.000 Isn't a lot of that just that the Virgin Islands are kind of a dump, though?

00:24:04.000 Like, his island is nice, but it's otherwise like, it's kind of a slum.

00:24:07.000 Yeah, so that's the question you should ask yourself is why does every major candidate that runs for office go down and do massive, huge fundraisers down in the Virgin Islands, like right in the shadows of Epstein Island?

00:24:20.000 So that's a question and that's legitimately a big question.

00:24:26.000 There's lots of shady stuff that goes through the U.S. Virgin Islands.

00:24:28.000 There are a lot of shady characters who show up that are super involved all of a sudden with the political parties down there, including the Republican Party, including the Democrat Party.

00:24:37.000 And the people that have been down there, that live down there, have witnessed, the citizens of the Virgin Islands that have been there for generations, that live there, have watched as the government has gone in numerous times, cleared out.

00:24:57.000 They will absolutely take out people that try to get anywhere near the island.

00:25:02.000 They have watched as items, documents, things have been carried out at later times, months after Epstein had died, had killed himself.

00:25:14.000 So you have, or allegedly killed himself, I should say.

00:25:20.000 These are all things that are part of the questions that should be answered that all revolve around Epstein, right?

00:25:28.000 So if there isn't an explanation, this is something that people should be looking at.

00:25:33.000 Well, then explain what has been going on there and why so many federal agents have gone in and out of that place.

00:25:39.000 in years and months.

00:25:40.000 That's part of it.

00:25:41.000 I actually think no explanation can ever suffice for a lot of what...

00:25:46.000 I totally agree.

00:25:47.000 That is the big problem that the administration is caught in is to the, if it is true that a ton of people care about this, because his claim is no one cares about it.

00:25:55.000 Well, CNN said 97% of us do.

00:25:58.000 Who knows?

00:25:58.000 We'll see how passionate people Care about that, but like the catch-22 they're caught in is there's like really any evidence they give, unless it is like, oh, here's the list, here's the 57 people that actually were like blackmailed by Epstein, and now they will all have to resign in disgrace and the system has come crashing down.

00:26:20.000 They'll say anything you release is just, it's actually perpetuating the cover-up.

00:26:24.000 Like ever, more and more people get in on the cover-up.

00:26:27.000 It's like, does anything they ever release about Kennedy kill the JFK conspiracies?

00:26:31.000 No.

00:26:32.000 Does anything they release about 9-11 kill 9-11 conspiracies?

00:26:35.000 No.

00:26:36.000 Same thing with this.

00:26:37.000 Like, if they were to release everyone, like, let's say it's grand jury testimony and it's all the guilt by association stuff.

00:26:43.000 Here's everyone who ever basically shook Jeffrey Epstein's hand over a 25-year period.

00:26:48.000 And then all these people are tarred by association because they met Epstein, went to some social event that he was at, knew him, exchanged emails with him.

00:26:58.000 No proof of any actual crimes that they were involved in.

00:27:02.000 And then people will just say, well, why aren't you releasing all the stuff that shows they're guilty of all those crimes too?

00:27:06.000 There will always be new things they will demand.

00:27:09.000 And I think it actually probably does behoove us to pause and like look at the evidence that we might be massively outrunning ourselves here.

00:27:20.000 Like let's take a core part of the Epstein Mythos.

00:27:24.000 A core part of the Epstein Mythos, like part of the proof that he is an intelligence asset, is that supposedly Alex Acosta, who was the prosecutor, the federal prosecutor involved in negotiating that plea deal he did in Florida back in the 2000s.

00:27:41.000 Supposedly 2008, I believe.

00:27:43.000 Supposedly he told the White House during the Trump years, because he was coming in to take Department of Secretary of Labor, right?

00:27:50.000 He was coming in to take a cabinet position.

00:27:53.000 And they were like, well, you were involved in this.

00:27:55.000 That's, of course, a controversial thing.

00:27:58.000 Why did you reach that plea deal?

00:27:59.000 Supposedly, he says I was told he was tied to intelligence, and so I had to go easy on him.

00:28:06.000 I always hear this cited as like a thing he said on the record.

00:28:10.000 It's not.

00:28:11.000 That was never stated on the record.

00:28:13.000 That is a secondhand assertion attributed to an anonymous former administration official in a Daily Beast article in 2019.

00:28:23.000 So anonymous secondhand source.

00:28:26.000 And also, since then, Acosta actually went, we have an on-the-record statement from Acosta in 2020, and he said he doesn't think that.

00:28:37.000 I think he said the answer is no, he doesn't think that he was an intelligence agent.

00:28:41.000 And Vicki Ward, the author of that 2019 Daily Beast article that had that citation, she says today she doesn't believe Epstein was a spy or working for any government.

00:28:53.000 In fact, I think we have a tape of her saying that recently.

00:28:56.000 Yeah, let's play 379.

00:28:59.000 Well, I mean, that's the other now theory doing the rounds, right, among, you know, that the reason no one's going to release the real data that they have is because he must have been some sort of agent or spy.

00:29:16.000 I don't think he was working for a particular government.

00:29:19.000 I don't know what your take on that is.

00:29:21.000 People of power, people of influence, who enjoyed his company.

00:29:29.000 I mean, I think we're mesmerized by him in so many ways.

00:29:34.000 And part of what was mesmerizing is that everybody came away with knowing things they did not know.

00:29:41.000 I mean, Jeffrey Epstein was certainly a conduit of all kinds of information.

00:29:49.000 So I guess based off of what you're saying then is that they could just give Ghislaine Maxwell immunity and just let her talk freely then.

00:29:57.000 I mean, that's another thing.

00:29:57.000 Maybe.

00:29:58.000 Have you ever like looked into the Ghelaine Maxwell trial?

00:30:01.000 Like, there's some stuff that's weird about it.

00:30:04.000 We covered it actually.

00:30:05.000 I was surprised that because there were no cameras.

00:30:09.000 So back then, not a lot of people were covering it live.

00:30:11.000 But we were doing on my show, we were doing pretty much daily updates when that thing was coming out.

00:30:17.000 It was, believe it or not, it was four years ago when she was on trial, which is crazy to even think about.

00:30:22.000 It's been six years, by the way, since he was found dead in his cell.

00:30:26.000 So, I mean, this has been, it's just crazy when you think about how long it's been that people have really been asking this.

00:30:33.000 And I agree, though, that it's a fever pitch now because people are being told, because of the way it's been handled, because people are being told you can't have any information as a, and, and this is totally, you know, on whoever put together that memo from a week and a half ago.

00:30:49.000 This is totally on them.

00:30:51.000 I don't think it's on the people asking for questions.

00:30:53.000 And I certainly don't think it's on voters asking for information and accountability from their government.

00:30:58.000 I think that's what MAGA is all about, accountability from the government.

00:31:01.000 And let the chips fall where they may.

00:31:03.000 Let the chips fall where they may.

00:31:03.000 Absolutely.

00:31:05.000 Just release what you got.

00:31:06.000 Show us what you got.

00:31:08.000 Well, one thing on what you just said, Jack, like whoever signed off on that memo, I mean, don't we know now that it was like Dan, Cash, and Pam?

00:31:16.000 Like, they all touched the memo.

00:31:18.000 They all looked at it.

00:31:20.000 And that much has been made public now.

00:31:22.000 I think they just didn't understand how deep this goes, at least the intrigue with the base.

00:31:30.000 And I think, you know, they know now.

00:31:35.000 They see now.

00:31:36.000 But I don't want to go away from what you said, Blake.

00:31:39.000 What was so weird about the Glaine Maxwell case?

00:31:42.000 What were you thinking of in your head when you said that?

00:31:44.000 Well, so, for example, this came out.

00:31:47.000 One of the jurors.

00:31:48.000 So when they were getting jurors for the trial, they asked on the jury questionnaire, were you a victim of sexual abuse or someone close to you a victim of sexual abuse?

00:31:59.000 And this guy said no on his form.

00:32:01.000 And then it turned out that was not true.

00:32:04.000 He claims to have been a sexual abuse victim himself.

00:32:07.000 And his testimony to other members of the jury about his own abuse, which was not at issue in the trial, like helped them overcome their doubts.

00:32:17.000 And he was explaining how actually what the process of abuse is like and how the fact that their stories are inconsistent or have holes doesn't disprove them.

00:32:27.000 It was like totally the Me Too narrative that we've Heard before where, like, oh, if their story doesn't make sense, that's just, that's because the abuse affected them so badly.

00:32:36.000 And then, like, afterwards, he was just straight up, like, celebrating with one of the alleged victims about like helping achieve this verdict outcome.

00:32:46.000 Like, it was not, it was very odd behavior from a juror.

00:32:49.000 Also, one of the acute, one of like the four core victims in the case was like a schizophrenic who said that she had voices warning her that people were, like, agents were going to come and kidnap her children and take them away for sex trafficking.

00:33:03.000 Like, there's a lot of weird stuff around the case.

00:33:08.000 And I think it's worth remembering that Epstein getting arrested the second time, leading to his suicide, that was happening at the height of Me Too.

00:33:17.000 It followed, like, a series of articles from the Miami Herald that basically laid out, you know, all these people who said they'd been abused by Epstein.

00:33:28.000 I just think it's worth pausing to think like how much do we truly 100% ironclad know in this case versus like the mythology, the mythos that people have built up around this for years because I feel like I often have You could, but it's also why there wouldn't be nearly as much as people think.

00:33:53.000 And I've heard stuff like the great mystery of why Jeffrey Epstein had so much money.

00:33:58.000 Like, this is just a 100% thing that can't be explained.

00:34:01.000 So I finally, I just went and I read biography, like articles about Epstein from 2002, before he'd even been arrested or anything.

00:34:08.000 And he was a math teacher, and then he was super smart and incredibly good at math.

00:34:13.000 Like, he's clearly a prodigy.

00:34:14.000 He was a math teacher at Dalton at like 20, and he didn't even need a college degree.

00:34:18.000 And everyone just thought, they were like, you're a genius.

00:34:20.000 You should go work at that Wall Street, those banks that are doing stuff.

00:34:24.000 He gets a job at Bear Stearns.

00:34:27.000 Blake, wasn't it like some, one of the, so it's a prestigious school.

00:34:31.000 One of the dads goes, what are you doing?

00:34:32.000 Dalton school.

00:34:34.000 What are you doing teaching math in high school?

00:34:36.000 You need to go work for my friend at Bear Stearns.

00:34:39.000 Yeah, and he goes there.

00:34:40.000 And this is, this is.

00:34:41.000 Well, wait, wait.

00:34:42.000 There was also, if you go back to the Dalton school, there were some issues between him and some of the students there, too.

00:34:48.000 Particularly the girl students.

00:34:50.000 Well, so he's this guy, like, he's, he's, he basically, he's a guy who was insanely talented at money.

00:34:57.000 Like, I think when people say, how did this math teacher get so rich?

00:35:01.000 It often carries this implication, like, he was this nobody until he's 30 or 35 or something, and then he suddenly plucked up and becomes incredibly rich really quickly.

00:35:10.000 When it's actually, he was a math teacher when he was like 20 to 22.

00:35:15.000 Then he goes and works on Wall Street at the age you would work on Wall Street as a young adult, even today.

00:35:20.000 And he rises incredibly rapidly.

00:35:23.000 I think he joins Bear Stearns in 70, like 79 or something.

00:35:29.000 And he's like a partner within three years.

00:35:33.000 And then he supposedly like quickly jumps out and starts his own firm.

00:35:36.000 His ascent was absolutely meteoric.

00:35:38.000 And he's working with billionaire clients, supposedly with his own firm, from like 1983 onwards.

00:35:45.000 And if you're employing billionaires, if you have billionaire clients paying you millions of dollars as a flat fee for money management from the mid-80s, you could absolutely be insanely rich by the 90s.

00:35:57.000 But Blake, you're skipping over an important point because you've put that article in our chat and I read it.

00:36:03.000 The question that I had instantly reading that jump from working on Wall Street and Bear Stearns, then all of a sudden he launches his own firm.

00:36:12.000 It basically paints, and I don't remember the author.

00:36:15.000 Blake, there's some mystique around the author too that you brought up.

00:36:18.000 But the author goes, well, he instantly only was accepting billionaire clients, like almost instantly.

00:36:25.000 Like if you had 500 or 800 million dollar portfolios and you were saying, hey, manage my money, he'd say, it's not big enough.

00:36:32.000 So this is like early, mid-80s.

00:36:35.000 He's still really pretty young.

00:36:37.000 That jump alone was pretty dramatic.

00:36:41.000 That was a question I had.

00:36:43.000 It's like, how at such a young age with that little track record would you be able to command billion dollars plus in the 80s?

00:36:51.000 This is not billionaires now.

00:36:52.000 There was probably only a handful back then.

00:36:54.000 Yeah, that'd be many, multiple billions of dollars today.

00:36:57.000 Yeah, so that's true.

00:36:59.000 Of course, what we know is he's a charismatic guy who is very good at making friends with all manner of people.

00:37:05.000 That's the best answer.

00:37:06.000 That's the best non-exciting answer.

00:37:09.000 Yeah, there's that.

00:37:10.000 And there's also, I think it's possible that he maybe cultivated a bit of a mystique around himself.

00:37:14.000 So maybe he basically had one client, two clients.

00:37:18.000 And then the idea was he had the, you know, he kind of encouraged people to think he possibly had more.

00:37:24.000 But what we do know, clearly, for example, is like with Les Wexner, who was, he was basically Les Wexner's money guy from 87 to 2007.

00:37:34.000 The founder or CEO of Victoria's Secret.

00:37:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:37.000 Limited.

00:37:38.000 Yeah, and this guy.

00:37:39.000 Limited.

00:37:40.000 He's basically, he has power of attorney over this guy in the early 90s.

00:37:45.000 He had absolute control of a multi-billionaire's money.

00:37:48.000 All his money.

00:37:49.000 And later, I will note, Wexner claims that basically Epstein embezzled large amounts of money from him.

00:37:54.000 He basically claimed he got robbed.

00:37:56.000 So that would be believable.

00:37:57.000 Like, if you, he was basically running this guy's money and he self-enriched himself to the tune of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:38:05.000 So maybe the narrative is as simple as he had one or two very rich people get really, like, become extremely close with him and he essentially exploited them.

00:38:16.000 Certainly would not be the first such arrangement to exist in American finance or anywhere else.

00:38:22.000 And so I only bring all of that up to say there actually are mundane explanations of, comparatively mundane explanations.

00:38:31.000 So you don't have this thing where only, oh, he's an intelligence asset explains what he was able to do.

00:38:39.000 I think he's a smart and extremely like charismatic individual who was in Wall Street during this massive boom time can explain a lot of things.

00:38:49.000 And I think for the later stuff, like there was a sort of like mythology around him that encouraged wild accusations, wild beliefs.

00:38:59.000 And we're sort of now Coming to terms with that, and people are finding it difficult to extricate themselves from these many, many years of like mythology building around Epstein.

00:39:11.000 Yeah, but Blake, there's things like how did he get possession of the largest mansion estate in Manhattan that was owned by the State Department via these like.

00:39:23.000 It was owned by Wexner, wasn't it?

00:39:24.000 Like, the claim is he got it from Wexner.

00:39:26.000 He sold it to him.

00:39:27.000 Is that the claim?

00:39:28.000 Yeah, so Wexner had it, and then he sold it.

00:39:30.000 And there's some claims he may have sold it to him for a dollar, which would also explain if he was able to get it before he would have otherwise been able to afford it.

00:39:37.000 But he may have also just bought it normally because he made a ton of money.

00:39:42.000 I tend to agree with you.

00:39:43.000 By the way, I think that, you know, I was looking at this former prime minister, Naftali, or whatever, Israeli prime minister, because, you know, post-Tucker being at SAS, then the entire Israeli Jewish community was, you know, pretty up in arms that Tucker was suggesting that the tie only went between Israel, Mossad, and Epstein.

00:40:05.000 And so then you have, you know, you have former Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett firmly denies it.

00:40:12.000 So we asked Mike Bence about that on the show, and Mike was like, hey, I look at this as like, you know, really an artfully written letter, essentially saying, yeah, we're not denying any ties.

00:40:23.000 He just didn't work for us.

00:40:24.000 Okay, well, what does working for you mean versus having ties?

00:40:27.000 And I tend to, the way I look at this, and Blake, I think you would probably resonate with this at some level, is this is a guy that's fooling around with, you know, hot women and then underage women.

00:40:39.000 He claims, you know, at the time that he didn't know any of them were underage.

00:40:42.000 I think he, I think we all can ignore that.

00:40:44.000 He probably knew. 0.98

00:40:45.000 He probably, he was doing weird crap with them. 0.65

00:40:47.000 A lot of these women claim they were victimized, all that stuff. 1.00

00:40:50.000 But he obviously had this appetite for titillation, right?

00:40:54.000 He liked the extreme things.

00:40:56.000 He was always pressing.

00:40:57.000 And again, motor of a socialite. 0.86

00:41:00.000 Like he had this motor of an inquisitive brain of conversation.

00:41:04.000 He would call people, apparently be on the phone for 10 hours a day with overseas, you know, currency brokers.

00:41:11.000 And he would be checking on markets all day long and building up these relationships.

00:41:16.000 And I see what he did as much on the island for himself, his own getting kicks for himself and creating this mystique.

00:41:25.000 But also it was probably good for business.

00:41:28.000 He was known as a bon vivir, right?

00:41:30.000 Like this sort of man about town, a man of mystery.

00:41:33.000 He liked to keep it that way.

00:41:35.000 And it is probable that he was doing titillating things because he found it intriguing working with Intel agencies, right?

00:41:43.000 So doing these offshore, you know, complicated tax shelters or layering of different businesses.

00:41:51.000 Like this was, he had a particular set of skills that he could sell out to the highest bidder, but it didn't necessarily mean he was married to any of them, right?

00:41:58.000 So he might have been involved in different projects within the Intel community that were seedy or unseemly, but that was, it's almost like he might have been drawn to that because it was, this is the type of person he, like, what do you call him, Blake, a fabulist?

00:42:12.000 I think that's a fairly compelling way to look at his psychological makeup.

00:42:17.000 He would do things that increased his mystique, that got his kicks off, that, that, you know, and that sort of pattern holds in each different area of his life.

00:42:28.000 Yeah, there are other articles about him that say basically in the 80s he told people he was an intelligence agent.

00:42:35.000 I feel like, you know, the greatest Intel asset of all time would not do that.

00:42:40.000 But there are definitely fabulous who tell people all the time that they're intelligence assets, and a lot of people even believe them.

00:42:46.000 This actually works with a ton of people.

00:42:48.000 You just tell someone you work for the CIA, and if they don't get it disproven otherwise, they sometimes just believe it.

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00:44:40.000 I guess like getting back to the core thing is are we able to does this like damage the administration or are they going to be able to extricate themselves?

00:44:52.000 I don't know.

00:44:53.000 Jack, what do you think?

00:44:55.000 Look, I think it's already showing up in polling.

00:44:58.000 I think it's going to be something that, and by the way, let's keep in mind too that the effect of the tariffs is now starting to come in where we are, you know, CPI was down, which was good.

00:45:10.000 But at the same time, you know, the effect of the tariffs is starting to be seen a little bit here and there with price increases around the board.

00:45:18.000 You know, July usually is a very, very like, it's the doldrums of summer.

00:45:24.000 This is normally not a hot news time.

00:45:29.000 The news cycle is usually completely quiet during July.

00:45:33.000 And yet here we are with this completely heated, I mean, almost seems chosen kind of discussion.

00:45:40.000 And, you know, it's really one that was done without any reason, as far as I know, as far as I can tell.

00:45:48.000 There's no political or legal reason to put this memo out when they did.

00:45:54.000 And so what I think the admin, here's the issue, right?

00:45:57.000 Here's what I'm trying to say.

00:45:58.000 The admin has a lot of wins that they can directly point to.

00:46:01.000 They're also going to have to be spending political capital on various things here and there as things come up, you know, ICE raids, et cetera, et cetera, tariffs.

00:46:12.000 Who knows, something kicks off with Ukraine or not, this new arms deal that's going through.

00:46:16.000 And so this thing has turned into this massive, I think, umbrella in the sense that it's blocking out everything else that's going on.

00:46:28.000 And for people to think that it's just, it's a mistake to think that it'll just go away on its own.

00:46:33.000 And it's a mistake to think that people will just stop caring about it because they're told to.

00:46:37.000 I don't think that's how MAGA works.

00:46:39.000 I don't think that's how the America First movement works.

00:46:42.000 And I don't think it's going to go away, quote unquote, until some pressure is released in some way.

00:46:50.000 Now, whether that's by a release, I would love to see a release, whether that's by a special prosecutor.

00:46:54.000 I would love to see a special prosecutor.

00:46:56.000 We're now one hour away from that interview with John Solomon that's going to drop here with President Trump.

00:47:02.000 It was recorded earlier this morning.

00:47:03.000 So we're going to hear that as well.

00:47:05.000 But of course, the question is, are we going to actually get one?

00:47:08.000 No, I have heard that there is a serious effort underway to appoint a special prosecutor and that names are being listed already.

00:47:18.000 So there's a list of names that's being brought together of potential, you know, potential individuals who could be that special prosecutor.

00:47:27.000 This is a deep state thing, right?

00:47:28.000 Deep, deep state prosecutor.

00:47:30.000 So it's going to be kind of like over all this, including Epstein, but it's going to be like.

00:47:35.000 Yeah, so it's, you put it together, right?

00:47:38.000 So it's a deep state prosecutor, but you add Epstein to the scope memo of this broader conspiracy that they were looking at already with Russiagate, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, et cetera.

00:47:50.000 But you add Epstein essentially to that as well to see if there's any nexus or be able to go.

00:47:57.000 And so for people to understand this, by the way, when you look at Mueller, right, the special counsel's office isn't just, it's not just like one person is going over and reviewing this stuff.

00:48:06.000 They have teams under them.

00:48:07.000 They have prosecutors.

00:48:08.000 They have investigators.

00:48:09.000 They have analysts.

00:48:10.000 So you can easily have dual tracks of investigations and different buckets that they're looking into underneath the office of the special counsel, if that is the route that they end up going under.

00:48:23.000 And by the way, there's also a question of whether or not this person needs to be Senate confirmed.

00:48:27.000 That's something that with some of these Supreme Court orders that came down.

00:48:31.000 Actually, Blake, that would be, that's an interesting question for you.

00:48:33.000 I know I'm kind of throwing you for, you know, didn't ask this beforehand, but is it true that with some of the court rulings on Jack Smith that a special counsel would need to be Senate confirmed?

00:48:46.000 So it's unclear because I think the court ruling was specifically about his, correct?

00:48:52.000 Or I haven't closely looked at this, but I think.

00:48:55.000 But you know what I'm talking about, right?

00:48:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:57.000 It's not required for an inferior.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, it's not.

00:49:03.000 Currently, I think they could still do it.

00:49:04.000 In theory, I know Clarence Thomas basically said in like one of his concurrences that he would really like the Supreme Court to look at this, but I don't think the Supreme Court has explicitly ruled that basically special counsels of that sort are actually not allowed anymore.

00:49:21.000 But you are putting me on the spot, so I don't know for sure the answer.

00:49:24.000 No, no, I am.

00:49:25.000 I don't think it was the Supreme Court either.

00:49:27.000 I think it was just a federal court.

00:49:29.000 I think it was just a district level.

00:49:30.000 I know we all were upset about Jack Smith being appointed special prosecutor without Senate confirmation.

00:49:40.000 And I believe what was the judge down in Florida?

00:49:43.000 What was her name?

00:49:45.000 I think she ruled something about that as well, or she had written about that in one of her rules. 0.54

00:49:52.000 Eileen Cannon, yeah, that's right.

00:49:55.000 So it's a good question.

00:49:58.000 We should probably look into it.

00:50:00.000 No, I think it's good.

00:50:01.000 And so for folks who are there, you know, I want to, you know, in the chat, you know, send us your stuff as well.

00:50:08.000 You know, freedom of charliefurk.com or 1776 at humanevents.com.

00:50:15.000 Send us your comments because there's a ton out there on this.

00:50:18.000 We've spent now about 47 minutes talking about it, way longer than certainly we intended to.

00:50:24.000 But honestly, we could go even further because, you know, at the end of the day, I think this is a situation where people want answers.

00:50:31.000 You're starting to see, by the way, when you look at the polling, this is something where the left and the right are actually in agreement on.

00:50:35.000 They want more answers to come out on this or at least something to be done in this situation.

00:50:41.000 So it's sort of becoming a self-perpetuating prophecy here where, you know, it's or self-fulfilling prophecy, I should say, where the absence of a story has created a story rather than the other way around.

00:50:54.000 And that goes back to the way it was handled.

00:50:57.000 That goes back to the way that it was set up.

00:50:59.000 Do you guys want to get into the Somali mayors?

00:51:01.000 Oh, boy.

00:51:02.000 We knew this had to come someday from Minneapolis, but they could have waited a bit longer.

00:51:08.000 But here we are.

00:51:10.000 What's his name again?

00:51:12.000 Yeah, I had it.

00:51:13.000 Omar.

00:51:15.000 Omar Fateh, right?

00:51:16.000 Yeah, Omar Fateh.

00:51:17.000 Which I assume that's probably Fateh, like the word for conquest in Islam.

00:51:22.000 They have basically that.

00:51:24.000 It's super common in Turkey because it refers to the Islamic conquest of the Christian Empire.

00:51:31.000 But anyway, we'll have a different Islamic conquest going on in Minneapolis. 0.96

00:51:36.000 And I'm sure it will work out equally as well for the inhabitants.

00:51:39.000 So yeah, this guy, Omar Fateh, he is a Somali born in the United States, but he has clips of him referring to Somalia as our country, much like Ilhan Omar also has clips of her doing that.

00:51:54.000 And he's really ours.

00:51:55.000 He was born in 1990.

00:51:56.000 He's only 35.

00:51:57.000 Oh, gosh.

00:51:57.000 Oh, man.

00:51:58.000 So he's basically as old as I am, But he's running for mayor of a large city.

00:52:03.000 Do we have what's the number for it?

00:52:05.000 I should bring this up here.

00:52:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:06.000 So we've got, he's vowing to protect all of the illegal immigrants of Minneapolis from ICE.

00:52:14.000 Let's play 286.

00:52:16.000 Protecting all of our communities from Donald Trump means not letting MPD interact with ICE, whether it's for an immigration raid or not.

00:52:22.000 Our residents deserve a mayor that will stand up to Donald Trump and say no, not in our community.

00:52:27.000 Did you know that the city's own data showed that 47% of calls to NPD can be diverted to non-police response?

00:52:35.000 Cops aren't social workers. 0.99

00:52:37.000 And then, should we just play, let's play the clip of him referring to Somalia, our home.

00:52:41.000 Let's play 309.

00:52:44.000 I understand that our Somali communities are all connected to each other here in Minnesota and back home and ask for your support.

00:52:53.000 There's always been a link between our community here as well as back home.

00:52:59.000 And I'm running to bridge that gap and unite all of us and represent all of us because when we succeed here, we're going to succeed everywhere.

00:53:06.000 And I'm hoping to do that just like Abderzak, inshallah. 0.95

00:53:09.000 Inshallah.

00:53:10.000 Back home.

00:53:11.000 Back home.

00:53:12.000 Back home in the motherland.

00:53:14.000 Back home in Somalia. 0.98

00:53:16.000 So actually, this is the issue.

00:53:19.000 And so apparently Unheard is like writing an article about me this week.

00:53:25.000 And they asked me about this.

00:53:27.000 Because I said, this guy's clearly not an American.

00:53:27.000 What do you mean?

00:53:29.000 I said the same thing about Zora Mamdani.

00:53:32.000 And what I'm getting at is we have at some point, this is a broader debate.

00:53:38.000 And it's honestly something that I think is one of the most pressing issues in America today, because we now have these foreign enclaves inside the United States, which are completely, as you can hear from their own words, that they bear allegiance to the homeland, the motherland.

00:53:56.000 They bear affinity towards them.

00:53:58.000 This is something, by the way, that our founding fathers were very directly worried about and very directly concerned about, the idea of allegiance to foreign powers.

00:54:07.000 It's something that all of them spoke at great length about.

00:54:11.000 But then when you combine that with new factors such as the internet and social media, which allow for this direct communication, direct consumption of media from that area, news from that area, FaceTime, group chats, et cetera, you really don't even need to assimilate at all within the home country anymore, the Western country, the host country, if you will.

00:54:34.000 And they can grow and grow exponentially in many cases, particularly Somalia.

00:54:41.000 But then there's also this question of birthright citizenship.

00:54:46.000 So this individual, Omar Fatah, which, by the way, I looked this up before the show.

00:54:51.000 I wasn't able to get a definitive answer as to whether or not his parents ever attained U.S. citizenship at all.

00:54:57.000 I think it said that they came when they were younger as students, and yet I have no information as to whether or not they ever obtained U.S. citizenship.

00:55:07.000 And yet here he is running for mayor.

00:55:10.000 He's a U.S. citizen, and yet he bears allegiance to Somalia.

00:55:14.000 You saw the same thing with Zora Mondami, who is someone who just became a citizen a couple of years ago and is now running and probably will be the next mayor of New York, although I believe the polling has tightened up a little bit in that race, where it's, I think it just bears, you know, and for everybody, you know, I'll open it up.

00:55:33.000 It just bears this bigger question of, you know, does a piece of paper make you an American?

00:55:40.000 Does a piece of paper mean, oh, well, here you go, you're an American now because this piece of paper, this stamp says you're American.

00:55:46.000 And I would argue that that's not what a nation is.

00:55:49.000 And I would argue that these ethnic enclaves and mass immigration absolutely do dilute our national character and our national identity. 1.00

00:56:00.000 And a nation is a breathing, living, organic thing.

00:56:05.000 And every other nation around the world and all throughout history would agree with us in this aspect.

00:56:12.000 And it's this belief in this weird 1960s version of the country that, oh, that like anybody can just automatically become an American has led to some really, really bad outcomes.

00:56:24.000 So a kind of fact that's interesting regarding whether his parents became citizens.

00:56:28.000 So I'm reading here, this is from migrationpolicy.org, but Somalia.

00:56:33.000 Did you know that of all immigrants from any country that we have like a sizable number of, Somalis have the highest naturalization rate of actually going through the process of becoming citizens?

00:56:43.000 68% of all immigrants from Somali have gone all the way and become citizens, whereas the average overall is just 52%.

00:56:53.000 So they're like way above the norm.

00:56:55.000 And I think it's worth confronting that.

00:56:58.000 It's worth talking about that because I would hazard to say that Somalis are probably among the groups with the highest rate of like probably going on state support, receiving welfare in various ways.

00:57:11.000 They probably have lower employment rates than a large number of immigrant groups.

00:57:16.000 And we've seen it play out multiple times where you have, frankly, insane feeding frenzies on government money that route through the Somali community. 0.94

00:57:28.000 Anyone who's unfamiliar with it should look up the Feeding Our Future scandal.

00:57:33.000 That was a COVID era program where they basically were receiving money to provide meals to children during COVID.

00:57:43.000 And they took hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:57:46.000 And if you look at the indictment for this, every single person involved has a Muslim name, except for the one white Lutheran woman who's at the very top of the organization.

00:58:00.000 It's like her and then everyone else below it.

00:58:02.000 And they're basically just taking cash and shipping it directly to Somalia that they got through this thing.

00:58:08.000 Everything about it from top to bottom was fake.

00:58:10.000 And it really has to stand out.

00:58:13.000 There's just a clear-cut difference in my view from one guy maybe embezzling money from a company he works at or someone robbing a store or something and this like real like hundreds or dozens of people possibly hundreds participating in this Systematic plundering of the government so they can route money to their like ethnic subgroup. 0.65

00:58:36.000 And then when they were trying to prosecute this, people were offered like multiple, like tens of thousands of dollar bribes.

00:58:43.000 Like we had jurors who were just offered bribes.

00:58:45.000 This was caught.

00:58:46.000 This was detected.

00:58:48.000 It's like absolutely insane what has happened because they've built up this large sub-national community in Minneapolis.

00:58:58.000 And I think, you know, Matt Walsh went viral the other day for just asking, I challenge anyone, he said, to provide a single way America has benefited from Somali immigration.

00:59:10.000 And the simple answer is, but no, it's no, no, that's not true, Blake.

00:59:16.000 That's not true because I was able to answer and rise to the occasion of Matt Walsh's challenge.

00:59:24.000 Because does anyone remember Sports Illustrated a couple years ago, the Burkini? 0.53

00:59:29.000 Yes, that's right.

00:59:30.000 The Burkini is what we have thanks to Somali Americans. 1.00

00:59:34.000 God bless, excuse me, Allah bless the Burkini, the wonderful Burkini.

00:59:40.000 You don't want to get caught wearing a Burkini in Minnesota in the wintertime. 1.00

00:59:46.000 It's a little nippy.

00:59:48.000 I think it's really interesting what's happening in Minnesota.

00:59:51.000 The back, the history, the political history of Minnesota is you're starting to see a significant shift.

00:59:59.000 Kamala Harris only barely squeaked out Minnesota this last go-around. 1.00

01:00:04.000 And a lot of this has to do with the fact that Minnesota has one of the few not Democrat proper Democrat parties.

01:00:13.000 They have what's called a DFL.

01:00:15.000 So it's the Democratic Farmers and Labor Party there.

01:00:19.000 There was a merger that happened, I think it was pre-World War II, somewhere in the early 1900s, that they merged together and it was the farmer, the farmers, mostly farmers, but farmer and labor party merged together with the Democrat Party.

01:00:32.000 And now you have today this circumstance where it's like you've got a complete takeover of outsiders coming into the state of Minnesota and people finally that are Democrats are waking up.

01:00:49.000 And we see this now happening in the outskirts and again, where the DFL really dominated for the better part of a century, which was in the more rural parts of Minnesota that have now gone Republican.

01:01:01.000 Now you have Republican congressmen that are there.

01:01:03.000 And that, for the first time in a long time, the western part of the state went Republican a few years ago.

01:01:10.000 And so you are seeing a shift and a change.

01:01:13.000 And this is becoming right down lines.

01:01:16.000 And so I do think that the outcomes of having such radicalized foreign nationals come in is for certainly driving Democrat proper rural areas more Republican. 0.95

01:01:34.000 The question is, is that going to be fast enough and enough votes to offset the growth that we're seeing with the invitation of all these foreign nationals coming into cities like Minneapolis, where you have to ultimately abandon your state and just the entire rural area basically just has to live underneath a Somalian empire that has been created within your state. 0.96

01:01:58.000 And people are waking up to that now.

01:02:00.000 And like the average Democrats, moderate Democrats are like, oh my gosh, like I don't agree with any of this.

01:02:06.000 I'm going to vote Republican as DFL members.

01:02:10.000 And that's the reason why they have like a million, they have estimated more than a million more voters than Republicans do.

01:02:18.000 The DFL does in Minnesota.

01:02:21.000 And yet Donald Trump only lost the state by whatever it was, like 3%.

01:02:26.000 Yeah.

01:02:27.000 Like, it's crazy.

01:02:28.000 So this is the same issue with New York City that's going on right now.

01:02:31.000 It's like there is like letting them hang themselves a little bit is that you're going to have this shift as these things continue to happen.

01:02:40.000 I would much rather, and this is a thought crimey subject here because people will debate me and say I'm stupid all day long for saying this, but I would much rather have a foreign national get elected incidentally as mayor of a big city that we've already lost anyways to commie Dems who are constantly brokering deals in the background because it's going to actually have a net positive rightward shift outcome when people don't like what they see.

01:03:08.000 I just think, yeah, I mean, I've been, I went kind of viral for talking about this at SAS.

01:03:15.000 And, you know, I don't care.

01:03:18.000 Like, it's just, it's gone too far at this point.

01:03:20.000 Everyone knows what an American is.

01:03:22.000 This is way too much.

01:03:24.000 And it's just too far.

01:03:25.000 The whole thing has just gone too far.

01:03:27.000 And I think that's why the average American is like, I don't want to hear any of these flowery arguments about, oh, this is why we need this.

01:03:35.000 And this is why we need the Mall of America to be overrun by Somalians anymore. 1.00

01:03:39.000 Like, just, it's just too much.

01:03:42.000 I'm with you, Jack.

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01:04:40.000 I am 100% American.

01:04:42.000 I'm going to die here.

01:04:44.000 I'm going to raise my kids here.

01:04:46.000 I know what an American is.

01:04:47.000 And when I see guys like Fatah, Omar Fatah, or Zoram Amdani, or this is some guy in Detroit that's running for Senate in Michigan, I forget his name, I just instantly think, immigration moratorium.

01:05:01.000 I want an immigration moratorium. 1.00

01:05:03.000 I want less legal immigration because it's obviously getting gamed. 1.00

01:05:06.000 It's chain migration crap where they just bring all their nephews and nieces and their aunties and their uncles over and they say, oh, look, we've got this United States and we can just fleece the system. 0.99

01:05:18.000 And, oh, yeah, we happen to be Muslim, which means we're called to politically dominate the host country like a parasite. 0.99

01:05:26.000 And we're going to play into their sympathies and their weaknesses because all these white people are scared of being called racist. 0.98

01:05:35.000 And so we're going to use their rules against them.

01:05:37.000 And we're going to take over.

01:05:38.000 And then you get this red-green alliance where they're all sort of race Marxists and socialists.

01:05:43.000 And they want to extract the wealth of hardworking Americans to give it away to all these people we just imported because we're all racist, apparently.

01:05:53.000 And so the whole thing is a ball of wax.

01:05:57.000 It's a mess.

01:05:58.000 And if anybody with half a brain, and kudos to Matt Walsh for saying it, knows that this does us no good.

01:06:05.000 This does us zero good.

01:06:07.000 You don't even, like, I don't even know about Somali food, right?

01:06:10.000 At least with like Mexican immigrants, you could say, I like the tacos, okay? 1.00

01:06:14.000 And they're Catholic.

01:06:15.000 But with Somalis, you got, it's the Muslim portion of it where I'm sorry, you're not going to assimilate the same way that a Christian nation will assimilate. 0.99

01:06:25.000 And you've also got no good food.

01:06:27.000 And these people, I'm sorry, of all the countries on planet Earth where you could make an argument that, oh, they bring some sort of like good aspects of their culture.

01:06:37.000 Somalia is a disaster. 1.00

01:06:39.000 And it's a disaster for a reason.

01:06:41.000 It's called the quality of the people.

01:06:42.000 And it's called the quality of the culture, the quality of the governance.

01:06:46.000 There is no, I mean, look at, look no further than Ilhan Omar.

01:06:49.000 This woman is a train wreck. 1.00

01:06:51.000 She's an ingrate. 1.00

01:06:52.000 She has made Congress worse. 1.00

01:06:54.000 She's a disgrace to Congress. 1.00

01:06:56.000 She's a disgrace to Minnesota. 1.00

01:06:57.000 The fact that she's getting elected is only as a result of poor immigration policies. 0.94

01:07:02.000 So yeah, I'm done with it.

01:07:04.000 I want an immigration moratorium. 1.00

01:07:06.000 That's it.

01:07:07.000 Net zero.

01:07:08.000 We just take in as many as we get out.

01:07:10.000 We'll do some genius visas. 0.98

01:07:12.000 We're going to automate everything.

01:07:14.000 And by the way, there is, and Blake, you know this better than me, but there is data to support when we look at our fertility rates across the West. 0.97

01:07:14.000 Enough of this crap. 0.97

01:07:23.000 When you start importing the third world, if fertility rates, maybe they were already low to begin with, that might just be a factor of modernity. 1.00

01:07:31.000 I'm not saying there's only one variable here, but when you start importing the third world and you are growing up and you become of age to start having kids and you think, you don't necessarily feel tied to the culture that you're inhabiting anymore. 0.99

01:07:44.000 You don't look around and go like, I want my kids to inherit my country because it's my country.

01:07:49.000 There's like some weird psychological pattern that unfolds and you don't, you don't, that doesn't trigger when you feel like your country doesn't belong to you anymore.

01:07:58.000 And I'm sorry, I'm old enough to remember an America that looked dramatically different than this.

01:08:04.000 And guess what?

01:08:05.000 It was better.

01:08:06.000 It was more cohesive.

01:08:07.000 It was more singing from the same song sheet.

01:08:10.000 And, you know, so point is, Blake, make, I don't know what, Blake, you sent some research paper on basically declining birth rates and high immigration zones.

01:08:22.000 High immigration of like of other groups, like it suppresses, it lowers like the fertility rate of the actual like natives of the country. 1.00

01:08:30.000 And that also can just exacerbate what people, I think so much of this just happens because people are bad at math.

01:08:37.000 Like every time mass immigration projects have been started, it always starts with someone saying this won't like fundamentally change the nature of the country.

01:08:45.000 And it always fundamentally changes the nature of the country.

01:08:47.000 It fundamentally changes the country.

01:08:48.000 Which Ted Kennedy said in 1965.

01:08:50.000 Yes.

01:08:50.000 He said it about us.

01:08:51.000 And like they said to other countries.

01:08:52.000 They told this to the Britons before they started bringing everyone in.

01:08:55.000 They've told it to the French.

01:08:56.000 They've told it to all sorts of people.

01:08:59.000 And the answer is just it's not true, especially at the scale they are doing it.

01:09:03.000 And yeah, it's really like, you know what?

01:09:06.000 I'm going to divert this thing.

01:09:07.000 We need to actually highlight this because we haven't mentioned it on Charlie's show yet.

01:09:11.000 And we need to make sure it happens.

01:09:13.000 In the UK, did you see this story, Tyler?

01:09:15.000 In the UK, the government, they initiated an operation to bring 24,000 Afghans from Afghanistan to Britain.

01:09:25.000 And then they got a court order.

01:09:27.000 They got a judge to order that it was illegal to report on this.

01:09:31.000 It was illegal for the press to notify the public that this was happening.

01:09:35.000 They spent £7 billion on this to fly them to the UK.

01:09:40.000 Even as, I'm not making this up.

01:09:42.000 The government did an internal report that one, actually, they're not really in any danger from the Taliban, and this is probably not necessary. 0.89

01:09:48.000 And two, by the way, a lot of these migrants will probably be radicalized because the UK is a dump and they're going to decide that it sucks and they're going to become terrorists. 0.90

01:09:58.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:09:59.000 I just, I mean, it's shocking.

01:10:02.000 Britain is. 0.59

01:10:03.000 But here's what's crazy.

01:10:04.000 Look at the average birth rate of a Somali.

01:10:07.000 This plays into what you're talking about, Blake.

01:10:09.000 Look at the average birth rate.

01:10:10.000 I know we have this here.

01:10:11.000 It's 380.

01:10:12.000 Throw it up in the middle.

01:10:14.000 This is in Somalia, okay?

01:10:15.000 Granted, this is not Somalians in America, but you can imagine the culture.

01:10:19.000 This is 6.2 Somalis per woman.

01:10:23.000 Per woman.

01:10:23.000 This is 2022.

01:10:25.000 Our birth rate is around 1.6, 1.65 per woman in the United States.

01:10:30.000 You bring over the DFL woman only has negative babies, actually. 1.00

01:10:37.000 So the average DFL woman. 1.00

01:10:39.000 I don't know what that means, but it's two abortions per DFL member. 0.98

01:10:47.000 Anyways, make sure that's stacked outside.

01:10:50.000 But Blake, to your point, when you bring over 24,000 Afghans or whatever, I don't know their birth rate off the top of my head, but I'm assuming it's higher than your average Western woman.

01:10:58.000 You're not just bringing over 24,000.

01:11:00.000 You're bringing over people that are going to go on the dole.

01:11:03.000 You're bringing over higher crime. 0.94

01:11:04.000 You're bringing over probably sex pests. 0.77

01:11:07.000 And we've seen this throughout Europe.

01:11:09.000 And you're bringing over all of their increased birth rates.

01:11:15.000 So when you're talking about math and you go to like Somalia, the Somalians going into Minneapolis, if you start doing the charts of how one population is going to keep growing, plus, and the other one shrinking, plus you talk about chain migration, like this problem may have already become too big to solve in a place like Minnesota.

01:11:41.000 And also, this is part of what they'll do.

01:11:44.000 One, they'll say, like, we need this to keep our birth rate high enough to avoid our pensions becoming collapsing, or like, we need them to fill like all the holes in our employment system.

01:11:53.000 But it's literally a scam from top to bottom because, especially if they're coming from Afghanistan or Somalia, these groups have vastly higher rates of unemployment, vastly higher rates of going on every form of welfare. 1.00

01:12:06.000 And like, multi-generationally, you'll just have a huge share of them be not in the workforce.

01:12:12.000 Again, let's say, it's worse than that.

01:12:15.000 During the Biden years, our tax dollars were going to fund NGOs to help them understand how to game the system.

01:12:23.000 So then they would get here and then we paid to help them fleece us.

01:12:26.000 So you want to know what the scariest part is?

01:12:28.000 In most of these states where they bring in Middle Easterners or Africans from these countries, most of the places that they go to work now, they are coached through the healthcare system and social work.

01:12:46.000 So a lot of the individuals, this is why you're seeing this, is you'll have, and again, this is just a scary fact.

01:12:54.000 You have international migrants coming here with absolutely no skills whatsoever. 1.00

01:13:01.000 They're put through things that we pay for to put them through school for healthcare working, like nursing, long, like end-of-life care type stuff, senior care type stuff, social work type stuff.

01:13:17.000 And that's who's now taking care of our elderly here in America.

01:13:22.000 People who are brand new here to this country, don't even speak the language. 1.00

01:13:27.000 And now we're sticking them in just basically, you know, change diapers on seniors and feed them and get them up and out of bed.

01:13:40.000 And that to me is just like a very scary thing as well when you think about it is that, you know, when we talk about how society has changed so much with young people not getting jobs and doing the tasks that we expect now foreigners to do, we're outsourcing foreign labor to take care of our seniors. 0.98

01:14:01.000 So they're taking over jobs that young people should have. 0.96

01:14:05.000 They're also taking jobs that you should probably be doing as a family.

01:14:10.000 We're talking about the complete disruption of American societal values, top to bottom, all because they want to institute foreign labor into the U.S. And this is like a very common thing. 1.00

01:14:23.000 Like in Minnesota, it says the number one job that Somalis have is social work.

01:14:32.000 The main job they end up being qualified for is like managing how much assistance their community needs to function. 0.82

01:14:39.000 Crazy.

01:14:40.000 Always worth reminding people, like the main, remember the infamous Ilhan Omar marrying her brother story. 0.70

01:14:45.000 It's not a story of like incest.

01:14:46.000 No one actually really argues she had sex with her brother or something. 1.00

01:14:49.000 It's entirely a story of just scamming this dumb system. 0.99

01:14:53.000 It is an entire group whose like main livelihood is scamming the system. 0.99

01:14:56.000 And teaching others how to do it.

01:14:57.000 We had a guest on Charlie's show the other day.

01:14:59.000 Do you know what group has the highest autism rate in the world?

01:15:02.000 Minnesota Somalis.

01:15:04.000 Way higher than anyone else.

01:15:06.000 Guess what?

01:15:07.000 You get tons of money when your kid is diagnosed.

01:15:09.000 Wonderful autistic.

01:15:10.000 So it's like, you just look at it and it's from top to bottom.

01:15:13.000 It's like, what is the economic livelihood of this immigrant group that we brought into America?

01:15:18.000 It is literally skimming off like the surplus that everyone else in Minnesota is able to create.

01:15:24.000 Why would any country do this?

01:15:27.000 So number one is social work.

01:15:29.000 Number two in Minnesota is healthcare and servicing, which isn't like real health care.

01:15:34.000 It's like senior care like we're talking about.

01:15:36.000 Number three is teachers of Somali heritage and Somali bilingual teachers bilingual educators you need in the public schools because there's so many kids who don't speak English.

01:15:52.000 So this is what I want to, this is my point though, right?

01:15:55.000 When we create these ethnic enclaves, what we're doing is you're not making someone a hyphenated American.

01:16:01.000 You're not even making someone a little bit American.

01:16:03.000 They're not Somalian Americans. 0.91

01:16:04.000 They're just Somalians. 1.00

01:16:06.000 They're just Somalians in America. 1.00

01:16:08.000 That's even, if you listen to Omar Fatat, that's exactly how he describes it.

01:16:12.000 He describes it as this sort of like, like it's an excerpt, like it's a separate part of Somalia that's in America.

01:16:19.000 He's telling the truth.

01:16:21.000 That's exactly what's going on.

01:16:23.000 And so when I say he's not an American, that's what I'm referring to. 1.00

01:16:27.000 I understand that on a piece of paper, he's a legal citizen.

01:16:31.000 I get all that.

01:16:32.000 I get birthright citizenship, but what I'm talking about is something much bigger and much broader.

01:16:36.000 Become an American is a multi-generational process.

01:16:40.000 It absolutely is.

01:16:43.000 And in this case, they don't even seem to be interested in embarking on that.

01:16:46.000 I want to go, I think we have this clip.

01:16:48.000 It's clip 384.

01:16:50.000 And this is from the Mall of America today.

01:16:53.000 Like, currently.

01:16:56.000 It's B-roll.

01:16:57.000 And yeah, it's just B-roll.

01:16:59.000 Wait, this was today?

01:17:00.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:17:01.000 Like, like, in modern day.

01:17:02.000 In modern day.

01:17:03.000 Oh, yeah, in modern day.

01:17:04.000 Like, modern day.

01:17:05.000 I have another one from the 90s.

01:17:07.000 I'm going to play.

01:17:09.000 And this was just, I guess, some fight at the Mall of America recently, you know, that was going on, which I've never been to.

01:17:16.000 Have you guys ever been there?

01:17:17.000 I've never been there.

01:17:18.000 Yeah, so I remember my parents going there.

01:17:21.000 My dad had to go on a work trip to Minnesota when I was like in like, I don't know, third grade or something.

01:17:26.000 And they went to the Mall of America and was like, you went to the Mall of America?

01:17:31.000 And my dad had pictures they took on like his like, you know, the wind-up camera and stuff like that that he had developed with my mom.

01:17:39.000 And it was like, like an umbrella.

01:17:41.000 And he brought back like a shirt from the Mall of America.

01:17:44.000 And it was like, this is an incredible place.

01:17:47.000 Like, this is like, you can see it from space.

01:17:49.000 Like, it's like people really wanted to, you know, go see it and be there.

01:17:55.000 And now you have this.

01:17:57.000 Now you have like, it's like a third world country inside Mall of America.

01:18:01.000 So like a lot of our big cities.

01:18:05.000 This went hyper viral.

01:18:06.000 This went hyper viral on Twitter right after this.

01:18:12.000 And this is so we have footage of the opening, right, when the Mall of America opened in 1992 and the crowds that were there.

01:18:22.000 And again, this is something where I remember when this happened.

01:18:26.000 I remember what I was old enough to remember when this opened.

01:18:29.000 I remember this whole thing.

01:18:31.000 So let's play clip 385.

01:18:38.000 The mother of all shopping crowds was waiting as the doors opened. 1.00

01:18:42.000 Yes, shop till you drop.

01:18:43.000 We are professional shoppers.

01:18:44.000 By noon, the two parking ramps were filled with 13,000 cars and that sent the mall's war room into action.

01:18:53.000 We were able to divert the upside parking properly and efficiently and effectively within five minutes.

01:18:59.000 There was congestion on the road, but the plan seemed to work.

01:19:03.000 Meanwhile, the traffic jam continued inside the mall.

01:19:08.000 It took almost an hour to get on some of the most popular amusement roads, and the wait continued in the food line.

01:19:15.000 They're just talking about how fun it is to be there, you know, how excited they are to be there.

01:19:21.000 You also get into these sort of like, I don't know, there's sort of like 90s American archetypes that just don't quite exist anymore.

01:19:28.000 Like there's a guy who's like a collector.

01:19:30.000 There's a guy who's there to just sort of, it's towards the end, where he's just, he just visits American landmarks and likes to take pictures of them.

01:19:38.000 So it's sort of like a precursor to selfie culture, I guess, where he's just sort of sitting there and it's amazing because he's just sort of enjoying the moment saying, yep, I really love this mall of America and I'm really excited to be here.

01:19:51.000 You could tell he's just so genuine about it, where he's not posting it to some blog or he's not posting it to some social media account, where he's just enjoying it because it's part of America and that's what he loves.

01:20:05.000 I'm being told by Priestra Faz in the chat that it is the home of the first Nitro, WCW Nitro.

01:20:11.000 So a ton of, yeah, just a ton of, you know, a ton of history that's gone through there.

01:20:17.000 That's like, it's just totally gone.

01:20:18.000 It's just an America that doesn't exist anymore.

01:20:20.000 I don't know.

01:20:20.000 What do you guys think?

01:20:21.000 Yeah, it's actually really sad.

01:20:23.000 I follow Dead Malls on Reddit and just like you could, they show up the pictures of before and after, like the malls when they opened or like in the 90s and then like what they look like today.

01:20:35.000 And people like take video cameras in there.

01:20:37.000 And I think one of the saddest things for me, it's just like, it is what it is.

01:20:42.000 And I talk about this with like my grandparents who we talk all the time about driving movie theaters and stuff like that.

01:20:50.000 And just like the entire, the lore of like how America used to be.

01:20:54.000 And for us, it's, it's malls, right?

01:20:56.000 And just to see that, and I forget, you forget, you haven't been in a mall in like a long time.

01:21:01.000 And there's some malls that are still open and you'll go in every once in a while.

01:21:04.000 Like here in Arizona, we still have Scottsdale Fashion Square.

01:21:06.000 They're still open, but it's not the same as what it used to be.

01:21:11.000 And where it was like, you just had a mall in every big city and you would go and it was such a big deal.

01:21:17.000 And there were like kids would go and hang out all day long and you would see this stuff and it's just gone.

01:21:23.000 Like the culture of America shifted, I think, with cell phones, like the pretty much when the iPhone was developed and you just don't, and then obviously like Amazon and everything else, but you just don't have any of that anymore.

01:21:37.000 And the personal interaction that exists, the human interaction, the going there, getting excited about it, being there.

01:21:43.000 And like a big part of that was like you went with like your family, like you went with your mom or your dad and like they would, they would like give you like five bucks.

01:21:50.000 They'd be like, don't spend that everywhere.

01:21:52.000 Right.

01:21:53.000 Like, and you would go like, you know, to like, you know, Dairy Queen or whatever it was or like hot dog on a stick and you eat whatever Wetzel's pretzels and eat whatever you had there.

01:22:03.000 And it was like, that was like such a, like a mentally different time.

01:22:07.000 And now it's like nothing like that exists.

01:22:10.000 And now I'm looking up, so remember when that kid got thrown off the balcony at the Mall of America by, was it a Somali migrant who did it? 1.00

01:22:20.000 I think it was.

01:22:22.000 Anyway, he lived.

01:22:23.000 He's actually doing okay, so that's good.

01:22:24.000 The New York Post of all things did a follow-up article about him.

01:22:27.000 He's doing all right now.

01:22:29.000 So that's good.

01:22:30.000 But he probably shouldn't have been thrown off the balcony in the first place.

01:22:33.000 I think that was avoidable and lamentable. 0.73

01:22:35.000 So the biggest difference between outside of no longer having malls everywhere and normal Americans walking through them is now we have no malls and just like a bunch of mentally ill people and a bunch of foreign migrants running around most of our cities. 1.00

01:22:52.000 Great job, America.

01:22:54.000 Doing well.

01:22:54.000 So one of the, Tyler, one of the things you're talking about is the idea of third spaces.

01:23:00.000 I've talked about this quite a bit.

01:23:01.000 I used to do this thing.

01:23:03.000 We call it a Pizza Hut nationalism, where even though a Pizza Hut wouldn't necessarily count as a third space, but it was sort of like third spaces were places that you were going to that it wasn't work, it wasn't school, and it also wasn't home.

01:23:19.000 And it was just a place that you would go to that you would exist in, where you would commune with people, where you would meet people, and you'd sort of bump into people from in, you know, in the real world.

01:23:33.000 And you weren't, you weren't just there to like pick up something and leave, or you would actually spend time.

01:23:39.000 And churches are a great example of third spaces.

01:23:42.000 So churches are sort of one of the only ones left.

01:23:44.000 But with the death of malls, you really lost this communal gathering place.

01:23:49.000 So that used to be the town square.

01:23:51.000 It used to be just sort of your community center.

01:23:55.000 And we've totally lost that in real life.

01:23:58.000 I mean, these were places where you could go on a date.

01:24:00.000 It's where you could meet your girlfriend or boyfriend.

01:24:04.000 It's where you could spend time without mom and dad, like totally looking over your shoulder when you were, you know, a teenager, but you were still in a generally, you know, controlled, safe environment.

01:24:15.000 And to be sure, you know, part of there's a lot of factors at play here in all these things.

01:24:22.000 The death of malls, the internet certainly played a huge role in that.

01:24:25.000 Financialization played a huge role in that.

01:24:27.000 The rise of crime has played a massive role.

01:24:30.000 but specifically for the mall of America.

01:24:33.000 I just don't think that you can accurately tell that story if you don't include the massive influx of Somali migrants that took place over the last 15, 20 years.

01:24:46.000 You just can't talk about the story of the mall.

01:24:48.000 And this, in a sense, is sort of a microcosm of America writ large, that, you know, there it was, this incredible, you know, and just play those, play the B-roll again, guys, as we're talking about it.

01:25:01.000 This was in our lifetime that places like this existed and they were great and they were fun and you could go there and go shopping and get a book to read and go pick up something and meet some people and eat some food, do whatever.

01:25:18.000 And you didn't have to worry about crime.

01:25:20.000 You didn't have to worry about getting your children thrown off of the top railing.

01:25:25.000 It's just stories like that were just completely unheard of.

01:25:28.000 I should correct before it gets clicked by somebody.

01:25:30.000 It was a Somali migrant who did that. 0.99

01:25:31.000 That was a false story that spread on the internet.

01:25:33.000 So I want to correct fake news.

01:25:34.000 It was just a normal, crazy person, I guess.

01:25:38.000 So I wanted to throw that out there, but still shouldn't have been thrown off the balcony.

01:25:43.000 Well, and this is like what you're talking about, Jack, is thanks for that correction, Blake.

01:25:49.000 Good work.

01:25:51.000 Way to self-clean up there. 0.57

01:25:54.000 But what you're talking about in those third places is like what we saw in a lot of the sitcoms and stuff like that on TV, right?

01:26:01.000 Like it's like, that's the Arnold's drive-in from Happy Days.

01:26:04.000 That's the Max from Saved by the Bell.

01:26:07.000 Save by the Bell.

01:26:08.000 That's like, we have talked about this before on the show where it's like those existed.

01:26:13.000 Central Perk in Friends.

01:26:15.000 Central Perk and Friends, right?

01:26:16.000 Like those restaurants in the world.

01:26:18.000 Those weren't created on Seinfeld.

01:26:20.000 Those weren't created on sitcoms.

01:26:23.000 Those were actually a part of American life and they kind of don't really exist anymore.

01:26:28.000 Like, you know, the fast food, like, especially post-COVID, one of the things, the horrifying things is like they've opened up all these restaurants now, including Chick-fil-As, that they don't even have a dining.

01:26:39.000 It's like they don't even want that.

01:26:41.000 They want you to drive through or pick up or get it delivered on apps.

01:26:45.000 And, you know, this goes back to kind of the very, you know, 1984 stuff that we talk about, which is, you know, what is the ultimate goal of some of the overlords that are out there?

01:26:57.000 And it's like human interaction actually turns out to be really bad for people who want to control you.

01:27:03.000 Like they don't want you.

01:27:04.000 I don't, I really think people, it's sad to say, but I think people choose this.

01:27:08.000 Like people choose to not go out.

01:27:11.000 I think people choose it at times, right?

01:27:13.000 Like the anti-social, whatever you want to, I'm too fast-paced.

01:27:17.000 I've got too much going on, especially in American, Americanism.

01:27:19.000 But the point is, is that it is easier to control people when you have less of that.

01:27:24.000 It is.

01:27:25.000 But I just think that.

01:27:25.000 That's like what the soviet.

01:27:27.000 It makes me think of like, you know, I think it's so easy to say like, oh, they want to control us.

01:27:32.000 And people just don't want to confront the fact.

01:27:33.000 Well, they stay inside a lot.

01:27:34.000 Like, what are people doing with their time?

01:27:36.000 They're watching huge amounts of TV, whether it's literal TV.

01:27:41.000 They'll be like, oh, I don't watch TV, but you watch five hours of YouTube videos and live streams a day and all of TikTok.

01:27:46.000 TikToks. 0.80

01:27:47.000 Yeah, if you're watching two hours of TikToks a day, you are just watching two hours of television, except like even dumber than usual television. 0.80

01:27:55.000 And you can't even talk about it because you have nothing to talk about.

01:27:57.000 Yeah, then there's nothing to talk about.

01:27:58.000 Yeah.

01:27:59.000 And people are like choosing to DoorDash their food rather than go eat it in a place.

01:28:04.000 And I think it's too simple to just say like, oh, like mass migration or whatever killed them all.

01:28:10.000 I think it played a role in killing a lot of them.

01:28:13.000 But a lot of it is just people are kind of, they're retreating from living lives out in public.

01:28:20.000 And they're retreating from socialization.

01:28:23.000 And that is an unfortunate reality we have to reckon with.

01:28:30.000 But you can't just say that's happening because, and I agree, there are more distractions online, but that's also because the public spaces have absolutely deteriorated.

01:28:41.000 And in places like the mall of America.

01:28:44.000 You know, it's definitely migration plays a huge role.

01:28:47.000 I think it's a subconscious thing.

01:28:49.000 I think it's a subconscious thing.

01:28:51.000 When you go out and you subconsciously don't recognize or feel like you're part of that community, when you think you're third places, like your parks and your public spaces and your public pools and your malls, they don't feel comfortable anymore.

01:29:06.000 They don't feel safe.

01:29:08.000 It's probably a slight change of behavior of degrees over years.

01:29:12.000 And then before you know it, enough people are feeling the same thing that they've retreated from those spots, at least in a place that's to a level that then becomes really obvious.

01:29:23.000 And then there's a degradation of like normal, hardworking, law-abiding, normal people in those places.

01:29:31.000 And so then they go to other places.

01:29:33.000 Maybe they go to more exclusive places.

01:29:35.000 Maybe it's the country club.

01:29:36.000 Maybe it's higher-end restaurants.

01:29:38.000 But then you start seeing this effect that everything starts costing more because our free stuff is no longer palatable for a large part of the population.

01:29:46.000 You could call those people racist if you want, or you could just get to the point where, guess what?

01:29:51.000 It's called cultural displacement and it's real.

01:29:54.000 Now, this is a point I made before, but when you talk about the urban core and all of a sudden it starts gentrifying and money starts pouring in and you get all these Atlantic articles or New Yorker articles about the cultural displacement of the urban poor and how they can't afford their home anymore, well, you get sympathy for those people.

01:30:14.000 But when you have however many tens of millions of immigrants that have come in through the third world over the last three or four decades, and all of a sudden people that grew up in this country no longer recognize their neighbors, and you just call them racist, well, you know, they've been culturally displaced too. 0.98

01:30:32.000 So don't be surprised when their public places are no longer frequented by native-born Americans.

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01:31:35.000 Yeah, that book, there was a book, Bowling Alone, that came out, I think, in 2000 or 2001 that talks about Robert Putnam that really gets into this.

01:31:45.000 And it talked about how it just mentioned, you know, it started about talking about bowling, but it used bowling as a sort of a linchpin for or a microcosm of civic societies.

01:32:00.000 And so communities had civic societies and civic societies like the PTA or the Federation of Women's Voters, Boy Scouts, Red Cross, like all these different things.

01:32:10.000 And that as, and one of those was bowling leagues.

01:32:15.000 And one of the things they pointed out that more and more Americans from the 1960s on were not joining bowling leagues.

01:32:23.000 And the teams and club, which is funny because I remember my mom and my dad used to have a bowling night.

01:32:29.000 And I've talked before about how I lived in a town that was completely destroyed by illegal immigration when they became a sanctuary city.

01:32:36.000 And my mom and my dad used to have their own bowling balls and were on a bowling team.

01:32:40.000 And they would have bowling night.

01:32:42.000 And that bowling alley is now getting shot up because people from Philly are coming out there and gangs are settling beefs because they know people are there.

01:32:52.000 And so people don't really show up for the bowling league anymore.

01:32:55.000 And what it ends up them, what they end up doing is that they are bowling alone.

01:33:00.000 So people will go out and then it's, you know, to do bowling, but you're either bowling alone or just with a couple of friends.

01:33:06.000 But this idea of the broader civic life just isn't existing anymore to the extent where, you know, these third places like a bowling alley can only be sustained through entertainment or adding non-bowling features.

01:33:22.000 But the idea of the bowling league just isn't something that exists anymore in the same way.

01:33:28.000 Yeah.

01:33:29.000 And this is, I mean, I have conversations with my friends that are all, you know, everyone's in their mid-30s at this point, mid to late 30s, and they're all talking about, you know, things that they remember even their parents used to do.

01:33:44.000 And it's like, they're starting to have those conversations like, why don't we go do things?

01:33:48.000 Why aren't there, I mean, there used to be like men's and women's clubs that like adults used to be part of that were very prevalent.

01:33:57.000 And I'm not saying they don't exist.

01:33:59.000 They certainly exist in some communities.

01:34:01.000 But, you know, for millennials, millennials are kind of figuring out now.

01:34:04.000 It's like, holy crap, like all the stuff that we grew up with is kind of gone.

01:34:08.000 All the things that our parents grew up with are kind of gone.

01:34:11.000 What do you do?

01:34:12.000 And you have to have some creativity and some people that will do it.

01:34:16.000 But part of this has been like kind of the eradication of religion for sure.

01:34:21.000 So the eradication of religion in a lot of communities has led to a lot of this.

01:34:26.000 There's been the assertion that politics supersedes everything else.

01:34:31.000 Right.

01:34:32.000 And that's like where, again, people have just kind of just brain numbed everybody.

01:34:36.000 It's closing those third spaces that you mentioned, Jack, where they just don't really exist anymore.

01:34:43.000 You know, and like, again, like bring up COVID.

01:34:45.000 COVID, I think, you know, killed and changed a lot of, you know, I don't know if we've like totally embraced it or recognized it, like how much of society changed post-COVID.

01:34:55.000 COVID changed dramatically so many things that we forgot.

01:34:59.000 All the time, like I'll be talking with my wife.

01:35:00.000 I'll be like, oh my gosh, yeah, we used to do that.

01:35:03.000 Like, that happened.

01:35:03.000 Like, why?

01:35:04.000 It took like three years for people to start going to movies again and it still hasn't recovered.

01:35:09.000 So like, there just is a world today that has to be, like, there has to be a pretty well-defined decision by, I think, conservative millennials and Gen Z that are going to say, hey, we have to recreate a society that integrates all of this.

01:35:26.000 And you have to participate in it and want to participate with it.

01:35:28.000 And to Blake's point, I don't know if they will.

01:35:30.000 Like, I don't know if people will, if they'll decide to or not.

01:35:35.000 You're going to have to edge up to it.

01:35:36.000 I think we're actually effectively going through like a selection mechanism that we're just living through.

01:35:40.000 And we'll just have to come out the other end.

01:35:42.000 Like, everyone used to sort of just have kids by default.

01:35:45.000 We are now selecting for people who actively want kids because they're the only ones who are going to have them.

01:35:51.000 And I think we're probably going to also like select for people who actually create community because if you don't, you're just going to kind of isolate and like die off.

01:35:59.000 And we're going to get a lot of that.

01:36:01.000 I've told people I have an idea.

01:36:04.000 I want to reinstitute a lot of things that like modern versions of a lot of these like third places that exist.

01:36:11.000 But, you know, they're just, it's just going to be interesting to see if it's, if it, if it's plausible, possible.

01:36:18.000 But one of the places like I talked with my grandparents, my parents at length, and I even remember when I was growing up, it still existed was, again, those drive-in movie theaters, things like that, like where it was just like a place to be seen, the things that you do, like the aura that was kind of around all of that.

01:36:36.000 None of those places really exist anymore.

01:36:38.000 Like I literally, like there's so few places that exist where, you know, people get excited about those things or they're just like the known go-to places in your community, in your neighborhood.

01:36:50.000 They just aren't as big anymore.

01:36:52.000 And like we even talk about, you know, we've talked about this before on, you know, the international thing, right?

01:36:59.000 With people, migrants coming in, like a lot of our parks, like, you know, don't feel like home. 1.00

01:37:04.000 The stores don't feel like home.

01:37:05.000 Those, you know, places that were once kind of the places of community have kind of turned into worlds like, is this a third world country?

01:37:13.000 Is this, you know, I don't even, I don't even recognize someone speaking English here anymore.

01:37:18.000 And that's problematic, especially when you look at a society.

01:37:21.000 It's like, where are all these displaced people going?

01:37:23.000 What are they doing?

01:37:24.000 Where are they doing with their time?

01:37:25.000 And that ultimately leads to higher crime.

01:37:28.000 It leads to breakdown in family community.

01:37:33.000 Because again, if dads don't have places to take their kids, right?

01:37:37.000 Like, parents don't have places to take their kids, what's going to happen?

01:37:40.000 Where do they go?

01:37:41.000 What do they do?

01:37:41.000 They're not doing anything, right?

01:37:43.000 They're not doing enough to really lean into their families.

01:37:46.000 And so, that's a big difference.

01:37:48.000 That's a big difference with how society looked just a couple decades ago to where it is today.

01:37:54.000 Well, let's not be so black pilled because you can still do it.

01:37:59.000 By the way, listen, I think economic growth, getting serious about enforcing crime, you know, penalties on crime, accountability, these things can turn around communities, make them safe again.

01:38:12.000 We saw this with the revitalization of Times Square.

01:38:16.000 And Plague, to some of your points you've made, it's like, listen, we went through a crime wave in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and early 90s that got corrected with a country that we all are talking about in glowing terms. 0.64

01:38:30.000 And maybe there's a little rose-colored glasses here. 0.61

01:38:33.000 But we went through a crime wave during those decades that wasn't turned around until the policing surge of the mid-90s.

01:38:39.000 And you saw that in LA, you saw that in New York, and you saw that in metropolises all across the country.

01:38:46.000 More police, less crime.

01:38:48.000 And then you saw this flood of investment that poured into the cities and you saw them turn around.

01:38:54.000 And then it became, you know, then we went through a reverse cycle that started in 2014 a little bit, maybe before that, but really 2014 with the Ferguson and then George Floyd 2020 and then a spike in urban crime.

01:39:08.000 And so these things do tend to fluctuate.

01:39:09.000 People forget the lessons of the past and they go back and they repeat the same mistakes.

01:39:14.000 And then you have to learn the old lessons again.

01:39:17.000 So, you know, I'm a big fan of lots of police and that can really change and turn things around.

01:39:24.000 Which is what they did in New York City, which is exactly what they did in New York City to make it so safe as it is now, which was absolutely the right answer.

01:39:33.000 And I really do think that America is under policed.

01:39:38.000 And beyond that, it's not just underpoliced, but it's also with this situation.

01:39:43.000 You add the migrants on top of that, the massive invasion. 1.00

01:39:46.000 You add the influx of this.

01:39:47.000 And then you add like the Soros prosecutors and this whole idea that, oh, you know, it's, you know, you only shoplifted less than $1,000.

01:39:54.000 So it's totally fine.

01:39:56.000 Or, you know, you get sent right back out on the street with the, you know, revolving door prosecutions and homelessness all over the street.

01:40:04.000 I mean, it is, it is just visible.

01:40:07.000 I can remember in my, I can remember in my lifetime, and I'll, I'll drop this off here, but in Philadelphia.

01:40:15.000 So you guys know that that area of Philadelphia, Kensington, where they always show like the fentanyl zombies walking around. 0.74

01:40:20.000 You know what I'm talking about?

01:40:23.000 So that used to be called, that's called KNA and the Kensington and Allegheny corners.

01:40:30.000 And that used to be like a shopping area that you could go.

01:40:34.000 And I can remember in my lifetime going there with my parents on like, you know, Sunday or whatever and just going shopping like after church.

01:40:43.000 Like that, that was just a normal place to go out and get some water ice.

01:40:46.000 And it was totally, totally safe.

01:40:49.000 And it wasn't like that.

01:40:50.000 And so all of these quality of life have occurred during our lifetimes.

01:40:55.000 So I talked to Gen Xers about this, right?

01:40:57.000 And they described themselves as like the free range kids, you know, Latchke kids.

01:41:02.000 They would just kind of go ride their bikes after school, run around the neighborhood.

01:41:05.000 You'd never see them until it was dinner time, right?

01:41:07.000 And that was considered safe back then.

01:41:10.000 Why is that not considered safe anymore, Blake?

01:41:13.000 Thank you.

01:41:14.000 Thank you.

01:41:15.000 If you're going to look at the macro trends, is it just because parents have become paranoid because of social media and they see one bad story and then they sort of overreact and they helicopter parent their kids?

01:41:26.000 Or is there this growing sentiment that like you can't trust your community anymore?

01:41:30.000 It's been, it's changed.

01:41:32.000 It's changed for the worst.

01:41:35.000 I'm asking you, Blake.

01:41:37.000 I was totally distracted.

01:41:37.000 Oh, sorry.

01:41:38.000 I was looking up New York.

01:41:39.000 No, that's right.

01:41:40.000 Did you hear what I said?

01:41:42.000 Yeah.

01:41:44.000 When we were kids, we ran around the neighborhood in our bikes.

01:41:46.000 And that was a lot of people who weren't.

01:41:49.000 That didn't stop because it got unsafe.

01:41:51.000 That stopped because parents just decided to not allow it anymore.

01:41:54.000 They became paranoid.

01:41:55.000 That's actually what it is.

01:41:56.000 In my town, it definitely stopped because it got unsafe.

01:41:59.000 Nah, like people, people, I bet people are less free to run around in the absolute safest parts of America.

01:42:05.000 Their parents still won't let them do it.

01:42:08.000 I think I agree with you, Blake, that the paranoia of disaster is just more in your face.

01:42:13.000 Like people are more aware of things that go wrong.

01:42:16.000 Yeah.

01:42:18.000 And things broke down in terms of, well, now you'll get in trouble if you do it.

01:42:22.000 And so the social sanction against it is greater.

01:42:26.000 And people don't want to be thought of as bad or negligent parents.

01:42:29.000 We had everything related to the child abuse kind of, I'll be frank, like panic of the 80s.

01:42:34.000 And that increased paranoia.

01:42:37.000 The child abuse thing is like a real CPS on your neighbors.

01:42:42.000 Yeah.

01:42:42.000 And like the simple truth is, is like you'll get in trouble if you let your kid roam around too much.

01:42:48.000 And that is going to apply even more in the places that are absolutely the safest.

01:42:53.000 Like in the end, I think people have to hear it.

01:42:57.000 Like a lot of stuff that they reminisce about is they just kind of have nostalgia for a period that because they were just 12 at the time.

01:43:05.000 And in some ways it was better, but a lot of the stuff was not better.

01:43:09.000 People just lived differently and you could choose to live differently today, but people with that somewhat, Blake.

01:43:14.000 I agree with that somewhat.

01:43:15.000 It's like a crime.

01:43:16.000 Like people, okay, if you are nostalgic for the 1950s, you're nostalgic for a period where America had way less crime.

01:43:24.000 If you're nostalgic for 1990 or 1986, and a lot of people are, you're nostalgic for a period where America had tons of crime.

01:43:32.000 And it also, frankly, I think you're making a category error, Blake, because America didn't have tons more crime everywhere.

01:43:42.000 But it actually did a big part of America's decline of crime.

01:43:46.000 There is a lot more random stranger crime that's done now.

01:43:49.000 I think actually that was like the peak of stranger crime.

01:43:49.000 No.

01:43:52.000 Harjacking, people going home.

01:43:55.000 What would they call them?

01:43:59.000 Follow home break-ins and stuff like that.

01:44:01.000 Those happen today, but those happened then too, in various ways.

01:44:07.000 There was just a lot more crime back then, and people kind of got along, and there were more random crimes in your own community.

01:44:15.000 A big reason crime has actually dropped so much.

01:44:18.000 It's like, yes, the black crime rate went down, but like the white crime rate also went down, like actually quite a lot from 1990 to today.

01:44:26.000 So like safe suburbs, like the safe middle-class suburb got safer and middler classer from 1990 until like the present. 1.00

01:44:36.000 And like in general, there's a lot of that.

01:44:38.000 And people like, you know, murder, you know, if it bleeds, it leads.

01:44:42.000 People see crime on television and they react to it.

01:44:45.000 And there have been moments where we have had terrifying spikes.

01:44:48.000 2020 was bad.

01:44:49.000 Thousands of people are dead because of the 2020 crime spike.

01:44:52.000 But I don't think it's accurate to say people don't go outside today because it was safe in like 1990 and it's not safe today.

01:44:59.000 People don't go outside today because people don't want to go outside.

01:45:01.000 Violent crime per 100,000 spiked at its highest ever was in right around 1990.

01:45:08.000 It was 758.1 for every 100,000.

01:45:11.000 And now it's at 372,000.

01:45:13.000 So it's essentially half of what it was.

01:45:16.000 But like it was dramatically increased from 1980 to 1990 and has dramatically decreased since then.

01:45:24.000 Yeah.

01:45:24.000 And that's overall a good thing.

01:45:26.000 We shouldn't return.

01:45:28.000 I do think that Jack has a point though.

01:45:31.000 I feel like crime was a little bit, I don't know.

01:45:39.000 I'm looking for it.

01:45:40.000 I can't find it.

01:45:41.000 But it does feel like crime was isolated to certain parts a little bit better.

01:45:48.000 It was easier to avoid crime-riddled places, and now it feels like it's less easy to do that.

01:45:48.000 Easier.

01:45:54.000 If anything, I suspect crime is probably more specifically centered on a handful of places.

01:46:00.000 And that includes like the spillover, like crazy stuff in San Francisco where like you're like homeless junkies.

01:46:06.000 But in general, it's like crime kind of collapsed in areas that are not like major crime hotspots in the United States.

01:46:14.000 So for example, like the bad parts of Baltimore have actually, I think, a higher murder rate today than they even had in the 90s.

01:46:21.000 The bad parts of like, I think New Orleans actually broke records for its murder rate during the Floyd surge, broke records that existed in the 90s.

01:46:29.000 But overall, like the national crime rate remained a lot lower.

01:46:33.000 And so I think a lot of that is the passive crime rate in your random middle class areas went from like pretty low to like extremely low.

01:46:41.000 It's definitely true today that you can like avoid the bad parts of America with trivial ease.

01:46:48.000 I don't think any of like frankly, I don't think any of us live in fear that we'll like be victims of random crime.

01:46:55.000 And I even go to the Arizona Mills Mall that's near here that everyone like claims is relatively dangerous.

01:47:02.000 I'm like, nothing ever happens at this mall.

01:47:06.000 And maybe I'm missing it or something.

01:47:08.000 Well, I hope you're right, Blake.

01:47:09.000 I hope you're right.

01:47:10.000 I actually saw somebody selling fentanyl in front of that mall once when I was out there for one of these.

01:47:15.000 For sure stuff happens at that mall.

01:47:17.000 For sure.

01:47:19.000 I woke up.

01:47:20.000 I was on the phone with producer Fox and I was like, Ryan, wait, isn't there a street club like right across the street from there too?

01:47:27.000 Ryan goes, OMG, Blake, that mall is so bad.

01:47:30.000 Shootings all the time. 1.00

01:47:32.000 People always getting jumped.

01:47:33.000 I ain't ever heard the shootings.

01:47:34.000 Like, we're going to put body cameras all over you. 0.98

01:47:37.000 So this will be an addition.

01:47:39.000 This will be the, yeah, I come up with shows all the time that Blake should do.

01:47:42.000 This show should be Blake at Arizona Mills Mall.

01:47:46.000 We should do like a Mr. Pete style thing.

01:47:48.000 Like I get, like, pay me like $1,000 a day for how long I can live in the Arizona Mills Mall.

01:47:55.000 You get a certain amount of money per hour until you see a crime, until someone spots a crime on your body.

01:48:01.000 What if the body starts occurring, but I just totally don't notice it because I'm on my phone.

01:48:05.000 I'm just looking at my phone too intently and I don't see the mugging or the shooting that's happening right in front of me.

01:48:10.000 I just want, they'll have one of those like mall food court meltdowns and there's like hundreds of people throwing punches and I'm just kind of like walking through not noticing.

01:48:17.000 Blake literally.

01:48:19.000 Blake has sparked a conversation with our tech team even.

01:48:22.000 They're saying literally a shooting in the food court at the start of the year.

01:48:25.000 Blake, it's like the sex trafficking hub of Arizona. 0.96

01:48:28.000 It is the sex trafficking hub. 0.97

01:48:31.000 Is the strip club across the street? 0.96

01:48:32.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:48:35.000 Is there a curfew?

01:48:35.000 It just means there's a lot of team curfew there.

01:48:37.000 Oh, that they should just say that.

01:48:40.000 Like, that's not.

01:48:42.000 I think they cover injuries.

01:48:43.000 Is it Arizona Mills or is it just that?

01:48:44.000 It never existed.

01:48:45.000 There's like a club near here that.

01:48:48.000 Well, there is a strip club across the street from it.

01:48:50.000 Yeah, it's a strip club. 0.99

01:48:51.000 That sounds like that.

01:48:52.000 It's like a gentleman's establishment.

01:48:54.000 I mean, I probably mean Arizona Grand as the club because that's where they take it.

01:48:57.000 The data shows that whither less violent than they used to waffle out.

01:49:01.000 We can't lose our ability to put people in the Arizona Grand.

01:49:05.000 But here's what they probably during the day spend their time at the mall, and at nights they're at the strip club or the McDonald's.

01:49:12.000 One of the two.

01:49:12.000 Or the donor shop.

01:49:13.000 I'm not a Krispy Grant.

01:49:14.000 There's a lot of things.

01:49:15.000 There's a Krispy Grant.

01:49:16.000 That's recently.

01:49:16.000 No, that's newly opened.

01:49:18.000 Blake has data that proves that strip clubs are less violent than they used to be in the 80s.

01:49:25.000 They probably are.

01:49:27.000 So you can easily walk around a strip club without getting mugged now because of the precipitous drop in violent crime.

01:49:35.000 Less cocaine today.

01:49:36.000 That's probably true, actually.

01:49:38.000 All right.

01:49:39.000 Wow.

01:49:39.000 Oh, there we go.

01:49:42.000 Now we're getting into real thought crime territory.

01:49:44.000 So I think we might...

01:49:48.000 Yeah, Charlie's going to be back.

01:49:50.000 Yeah, this is what happens.

01:49:51.000 Charlie's going to come back and be like, what did you do?

01:49:54.000 Why did you guys do a four-hour episode?

01:49:56.000 Why did you guys do a four-hour episode about crime at strip clubs?

01:50:02.000 Well, this is a perfect time to wrap it up because we have Solomon and Trump interview coming out.

01:50:07.000 And if there is something.

01:50:08.000 Yeah, that's going to be starting in just a couple of minutes.

01:50:11.000 Yep.

01:50:12.000 So I think we should wrap.

01:50:13.000 We had some other topics.

01:50:14.000 We will get to those at a later time.

01:50:17.000 Any last thoughts?

01:50:18.000 Anyone?

01:50:18.000 Go around the horn?

01:50:20.000 Yeah, you know, I just wanted to say I think we shouldn't have any more Somalian mayors. 1.00

01:50:26.000 I just want to put that on a record.

01:50:28.000 I think we should just elect Americans.

01:50:31.000 I know that's true.

01:50:32.000 But he is American.

01:50:33.000 He is American, Tyler.

01:50:35.000 He was born here, apparently.

01:50:36.000 Well, that's flawless, zero accent.

01:50:39.000 TBD.

01:50:40.000 I don't know.

01:50:42.000 He was talking about homeland in that clip a lot.

01:50:44.000 Jack, he does look like the I'm the Captain Now guy.

01:50:48.000 He looks like the I'm the Captain Now guy.

01:50:51.000 That tweet went super viral.

01:50:53.000 Super viral.

01:50:54.000 Whoops.

01:50:55.000 Blake.

01:51:03.000 Well, that could be the other show that we do is we could send you the body cameras to the strip club. 1.00

01:51:08.000 You're just coming up like, I'm just going to need a whole show of like, like a live stream of Tyler generates like weird experiences to inflict on me.

01:51:18.000 I just think you're a really interesting person and we could create a channel around you.

01:51:22.000 I feel like nothing would dispel the idea that I'm interesting faster than putting a camera on my body or something.

01:51:29.000 It'd be like true music.

01:51:31.000 You'd have to have Ryan edit it.

01:51:32.000 But Sidney do weird stuff all the time. 0.99

01:51:35.000 All right, Andrew.

01:51:37.000 All right.

01:51:38.000 My rap is that I can't wait to watch the Solomon and Trump interview.

01:51:42.000 Good.

01:51:42.000 Because I'm fascinated.

01:51:44.000 Jack, take us home.

01:51:46.000 They're not American. 1.00

01:51:47.000 I'm just saying it.

01:51:48.000 They're not American. 1.00

01:51:48.000 Don't tell me that piece of paper makes them American. 1.00

01:51:51.000 They're not American. 1.00

01:51:52.000 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crimes. 1.00

01:51:56.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:51:57.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

01:51:59.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 17, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 91 — The Epstein Hoax? Somali Mayors? Bowling Alone?

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