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00:03:00.000You know, the news cycle has been interesting, but the family, the weather, the off hours, which maybe are sparse at times, have been amazing.
00:03:28.000Are these people being sentenced to the cruise ship?
00:03:31.000Is this like in lieu of community service after they committed arson?
00:03:34.000Yeah, no, I don't quite get it, but it is true.
00:03:37.000People do, like, they'll decide to spend a bunch of money to leave their comfortable homes and instead sit on like a cramped boat in quarters that are typically smaller than their homes, I will note.
00:03:54.000And then they're on this boat and it's filled with like noisy people and like a lot of like sometimes gross people.
00:04:04.000And then they like float on this boat between various, like usually, you know, straddling the line between first and third world a bit countries.
00:04:14.000And they just hang out with a bunch of people.
00:04:16.000And if they get sick or die, like the cruise is going to aggressively try to get them off the boat because they don't like it when people die on their boats.
00:06:23.000I don't think it's a good time, a good way to entertain anything.
00:06:26.000Tanya's been trying to get me on a cruise since pretty much since we've been together, and I'm just like, Look, I was in the navy, I've spent a lot of time on ships, I have no idea why anyone would want to put them through such.
00:08:43.000I get invited to cruises to Alaska and to Vancouver.
00:08:49.000As somebody who gets the incoming, the inquiry is like, hey, would Charlie be willing to do this cruise and we'll make it worth your while?
00:09:06.000It's such a, but the mentality of who goes on these cruises, and the reason this is topical, and Blake will tell us why in a second, it is, it's like a floating old country buffet meets a bingo hall with everybody getting sick all day.
00:09:25.000That's a very waspy interpretation of what it is.
00:09:29.000Oh, but there's another type of cruise.
00:09:31.000There's another type of cruise that we, shall we say, call it, I don't know, the Spirit Airlines cruise?
00:09:39.000Would you rather fly a cross-country flight at 5 a.m. from Spirit Airlines, LAX to JFK, or would you rather have to do two nights on the Carnival cruise?
00:12:44.000But anyway, one of the entry-level cruise brands is Carnival.
00:12:49.000My understanding is Carnival especially, they became even more entry-level than usual during COVID because COVID obviously completely bungled up Travel, tons of things got canceled.
00:13:02.000Cruise lines were absolutely deep in the red, really looking for money.
00:13:07.000And one thing about cruises is you often book them quite long in advance.
00:13:11.000They try to fill them up way, way in advance to make sure, you know, they don't have a ton of people buying tickets last minute.
00:13:16.000And so they were offering these incredibly steep discounts that opened up cruise lines to all sorts of clientele that previously did not go on cruises very often.
00:13:25.000And this gave Carnival the, as Jack was alluding to, the Spirit Airlines reputation.
00:13:31.000It is a reputation for not always being the most pleasant thing to go on.
00:13:35.000And so this led to what we're discussing, which this went viral a few weeks ago, and it kind of went re-viral in the last week or two.
00:13:43.000It's like echo viraling across the internet.
00:13:46.000Anyway, Carnival Cruise Line has some updated rules that people are noticing.
00:13:51.000And I'm just going to read the rules as a summary I found describes it.
00:13:55.000Number one, stricter drug enforcement.
00:13:59.000Cannabis, even if legal in your home state, is banned on board because it violates U.S. federal law.
00:14:05.000And if you do it, you will be removed and banned.
00:15:05.000They are reporting, this is not an official rule, but this is being reported, that their music genres that their DJs play at the various dance clubs that are on cruise ships, they've been reduced.
00:15:17.000They are cutting away on hip-hop and rap music that their DJs play.
00:15:22.000And reportedly, they even decline guest requests far more often than they used to.
00:15:27.000And then we're going back to number three.
00:15:29.000This is the final rule that I think is the funniest.
00:15:31.000They are banning handheld, non-battery-powered fans, like, you know, like the one like a southern lady would fan herself with in a movie or something.
00:15:40.000Those are banned, and they say it is due to safety concerns.
00:15:44.000Specifically related, there is a viral song that goes, it has a title that is apparently Where Them Fans At.
00:15:54.000And as part of the music video in this, they click the fans repeatedly.
00:16:38.000Carnival has some very funny tweets in it.
00:16:40.000One of them they have from someone going by Geechie Barbie.
00:16:43.000I hope that is not like a gross slang term because I don't know slang.
00:16:48.000And she tweeted, so Carnival Crews banning fans now because y'all won't stop putting boots on the ground and clacking them, laughing emoji, crying emoji.
00:17:19.000And I'll tell you, I couldn't be punished for being on a cruise.
00:17:25.000I would throw something else out there.
00:17:29.000And by the way, if you want to take like a regular cruise, like fine, whatever.
00:17:32.000But there's this whole culture I've noticed of people like older couples getting reverse mortgages and then spending the money immediately on those like massive, lavish cruises.
00:17:45.000And it's like, guys, that's going way too far.
00:17:48.000You're putting yourself and your estate in debt so that you can go on some cruise.
00:17:53.000Like it's the most ridiculous and flagrant just waste.
00:17:58.000It's just straight waste that I've ever heard.
00:18:00.000That's a juicy vein of topic, actually.
00:18:03.000It's just like you get to a certain point and you're like, I'm not going to pass along any of my wealth to my offspring.
00:18:10.000I'm going to spend it all as quickly as I can because I earned it and screw them.
00:18:15.000And like, there's a whole bunch of people that think that way.
00:18:18.000And reverse mortgages, like, I get it if you're up against the wall and you don't have money coming in, you need the expenses for whatever reason.
00:18:25.000But, you know, to spend it on a cruise line, like if this is what you're getting for your money, think about it.
00:18:29.000You could have had generational wealth and legacy or you could have this.
00:18:33.000Andrew, that's the perfect point, though.
00:18:35.000Back against the, we need to put people who like cruises against the wall.
00:18:41.000Is this like a tweaking or twerking joke?
00:19:29.000I mean, that's What we do, but I'm just saying, like, if somebody was like, hey, they've got water slides and they take you to the next cool kid location, and then we're, you know, go to the, I don't know.
00:19:40.000What's a single cool kid location that a cruise ship goes to?
00:19:43.000Kids just want to go to Disney World, and Disney World is inland.
00:21:06.000Okay, let's go to the next topic since we're all so spirited about it.
00:21:09.000Blake, what were we supposed to talk about today?
00:21:10.000All right, our opening topic we were supposed to do.
00:21:12.000Jack really wanted to hit this, so he might know the best lead-in to it.
00:21:16.000But the question is, what is an American, Charlie?
00:21:22.000Yeah, so this has been, you know, just probably the most viral thing on, certainly on X all this week.
00:21:29.000You know, that's sort of in the culture war space, if you will.
00:21:33.000It really stems from the back of this, I believe was the endorsement win by Omar Fatah over in Minneapolis, and then sort of this impending race in New York City regarding Zoran Mandami.
00:21:50.000And you're seeing people now who are running for mayor of major cities.
00:21:58.000There was another, I think it was a city council or representative, a Somalian out of Maine, Maine, you know, was going viral as well this week.
00:22:08.000And people started really kind of asking the question, you know, guys, can we, you know, can we can we step back for a second here and say, what is an American?
00:22:19.000Because this has gotten way too far where we're having people who weren't born in this country, in some cases only became citizen a couple of years ago.
00:22:30.000And now they're stepping up to now, yeah, South Portland, Maine, okay, and now stepping up to be leaders of some of America's most iconic cities, certainly in the case of New York City.
00:22:44.000And I think it represents a broader question for the movement and for America writ large when we ask this question, because it gets into all of these issues that we've been talking about, mass immigration, mass migration, the Balkanization of America, the Brazilification of America, the fact that many nations are now being created inside the United States in various locales where we've had these mass migrants be emplaced really predominantly throughout the Obama administration and
00:23:13.000where our country simply isn't looking like America anymore.
00:23:18.000And I think it does beg us to actually start asking the question, what is an American?
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00:24:35.000Well, I'll read it because I don't know how good it is, but I was feeling inspired last night.
00:24:40.000An American is first and foremost someone born in America who speaks English, who is raised here, who is steeped in the Anglo-traditions of common law, blind justice, equal rights, and believes in, or at least has reverence for, the Christian traditions that undergird our laws, customs, and values.
00:24:58.000An American is also someone who we allow to move here, who works without crime, nor harbors animosity for the country, and who, after a time of painstaking pursuit, gains the incredible rights, freedoms, and privileges of our citizenship.
00:25:12.000The former should be given extreme deference.
00:25:14.000The latter should be given away sparingly, far less than we are currently allowing.
00:25:20.000And then I talk about they should know who George Washington is, Thomas Jefferson, you know, that kind of thing.
00:25:26.000I mean, I really, it's like, I hate to use the analogy, but it's like, it kind of reminds me of that Supreme Court ruling on porn.
00:25:54.000So I would say also an American is someone who is loyal to a creed, which Would be ordered liberty under God, revering the Constitution, owns his land or her land, and believe rights come from the Creator.
00:26:08.000It's really the birthright of the Declaration of the Constitution, but I would go a step further than that.
00:27:18.000Maine is a very remote state that has been completely transformed by mass immigration.
00:27:27.000You know, I think kind of the follow-up question of what is an American, and I think what can really like supercharge this is a question, can two people, let's say two people who are both American, both American citizens, both born here, can one be more American than another?
00:27:43.000And that is where you can really charge it up.
00:27:46.000And I think it's certainly possible to say the answer is yes.
00:27:50.000I think Andrew's on the right track where, you know, there's an element of loyalty to America.
00:27:57.000There's an element of like creedal nationalism to it.
00:28:01.000But frankly, I think one thing that is underplayed is there are identity elements to Americanness.
00:28:08.000And so like, for example, I would say you are more American if you identify with America's English heritage.
00:28:17.000So if you, I mean, if you read like Americans from the 1800s, they very much see their country as a successor to the English nation that we broke away from.
00:28:29.000And so they would see as elements of American history, not just the American Revolution, not just the settlement of Massachusetts, the settlement of Jamestown Colony, they would also be looking to the Glorious Revolution, the Reformation in England, the Magna Carta, the Magna Carta, of course, Battle of Hastings, if you want to go all the way back to that.
00:28:51.000That they would see America as an English nation, an Anglo-Saxon nation that broke off.
00:28:57.000And even if you are not Anglo-Saxon ethnically the way Charlie is, like, I think you actually need to assimilate that fast.
00:29:05.000Like, if you assimilate that aspect of American identity into yourself, you become more American.
00:29:12.000And you have to take kind of America's side implicitly in all American things throughout its history.
00:29:18.000I think I've heard before, I can't remember where, but like the best, a great marker for whether Hispanic immigrants to the United States have assimilated to America is if like you can ask them, you know, who lost the Battle of the Alamo.
00:29:33.000And if their answer is we did, and because by we, they mean the American Texans who were fighting at the Alamo.
00:29:39.000And if they're instead identifying with the army of Santa Ana because they're Mexican, then they're not fully assimilated yet.
00:29:45.000And I think that's an important aspect of American identity is you really have to try hard to identify with the earliest Americans and where they culturally came from.
00:29:57.000You are not saying, I am a German or a Russian or a Middle Eastern or an Indian or a Chinese person who happens to have just plunked into America within the last 50 years.
00:30:13.000It's not a racial thing, but I love that.
00:30:15.000So what we should do, and I'm not being sarcastic, Jack, maybe we could riff on this in real time.
00:30:21.000We should develop five or six similar questions of the one you just developed, right, Blake, as a very simple litmus test, which is, and I don't even know my head, but that one of the, well, the Alamo is amazing.
00:31:31.000So do you agree with Manifest Destiny?
00:31:34.000And just, again, it's a great listness test because you're going to see, or you could say westward expansion if people don't know what that means.
00:31:40.000What are your thoughts on westward expansion?
00:31:58.000And by the way, you know, if you go back through history, this one always upsets me because if you go back through history, every piece of land has been stolen from somebody else.
00:32:05.000At what point do you, you know, and it's like that, what's it?
00:32:24.000This is another one of the viral things.
00:32:26.000Yeah, this is one of the viral things we need.
00:32:28.000Shout out to Charlie with the original Jubileeer.
00:32:30.000Charlie, I felt like they didn't have it quite dialed in yet when you went on.
00:32:36.000You went on one of the first episodes, and it just wasn't.
00:32:39.000Not only that, let me just as a side note: the Jubilee thing, they were just so petrified at how violently the rhetorical violence that occurred during mine.
00:32:51.000I don't think they've been able to replicate it.
00:33:13.000Anyway, no, Jack, I think you're right, Jack, is that the format was so out of, I was the first one in that whole thing, and now it's kind of the light passage in American politics.
00:34:28.000I think actually like a real facet of being American, and you are like more American if you hit this than if you don't, is like being, frankly, being a Protestant, actually, and having like Protestant Christian ethos, if you will.
00:34:46.000And that like America was founded, again, by this specific, by like a pretty narrow specific group of people.
00:34:53.000It was substantially like dissenting Protestants from like Northwestern Europe.
00:34:59.000And then later, like other Protestants came on.
00:35:01.000And then later you had some Catholics from that region.
00:35:03.000And like, you know, you get more and more sense then.
00:35:06.000But it's definitely a country that's found on, for lack of a better way of putting it, Protestant values.
00:35:11.000There's a great book that I recommend to a lot of people.
00:35:17.000It's a history of Texas, but it's really a history of America.
00:35:21.000And it just happens to use Texas as the example.
00:35:24.000And one of the things he points out is he's pointing out when there's these conflicts between Texas and between Mexico, which happens in, you know, with the Alamo, but it happens repeatedly over the course of the 1800s.
00:35:37.000And he points out that the key difference between them is civilizational, and that the Texans are all Protestants, even the Catholic ones.
00:35:46.000And the Mexicans are all Catholics, even the Protestants and even the atheists.
00:37:11.000It only happens when they like take soldiers and practically abduct people and make them go there.
00:37:17.000Meanwhile, the English, like the British crown, one of the reasons the revolution happened was the British crown was trying to stop people from settling Appalachia and they were just going off and doing it anyway.
00:37:29.000Over and over, American settlers would like run off and start their own states, start their own settlements.
00:37:37.000And then years later, they would kind of come back and be like, hey, America, can you come in and like help us out?
00:37:44.000I just feel like all of that is, that is a huge part of the American ethos, the American identity.
00:37:54.000I think we do have to be careful, though, to not separate the identity as well and try to say that it's that you can like import any one, you know, like piece of paper type of creed and say, well, if you just agree with this, you're going to like, like, there's, there's plenty of, for example, I tweeted this earlier this week.
00:38:09.000You know, there's plenty of Protestants in Africa.
00:38:11.000There's plenty of Protestants in India.
00:38:13.000You couldn't just import them here and have America be formed.
00:38:17.000So it's true, but you are also talking about, again, the original Anglo-Saxon settlers and that's who originally, you know, founded America.
00:38:27.000And it's funny, you know, people will be like, oh, Pesobic, you're like some Polish Ellis Islander.
00:38:31.000And it's like, yeah, I never once said that like Hamilton has to be a bunch of Polaks, right?
00:38:36.000Like, sure, there were Polish people here, but it was, you know, a couple of generals here and there.
00:38:41.000You know, the vast majority were Anglo-Saxons.
00:38:44.000And when you see a lot of these ethics, so again, America was founded by the British Empire.
00:38:48.000And so you just can't separate the people.
00:38:51.000And I see people trying to do this over and over and over.
00:38:55.000And I got into it with Curtis Yarvin a little bit because I was saying, like, that'd be like saying that Rome Was just founded on the worship of Jupiter, and he said, Ah, but the Romans did worship Jupiter.
00:39:05.000What I'm saying is, it was founded by the Romans, and you couldn't just, you know, put some other group of people there and get the same system out of it.
00:39:30.000But if you mess around with that core, if you get too far away from that core too much too fast, that's what leads to this massive instability that we have.
00:40:05.000If you go look at their culture, thanks to technology, you can be on a video, you know, voice chat or, you know, FaceTime with home all day long.
00:41:35.000So again, Catholic integration came later, mid-1800s, with the Italians, the Poles, and the Irish, which is great.
00:41:42.000I mean, it was a phenomenal contribution.
00:41:44.000The only difference between the Roman analogy, which I don't love from Curtis Yarvin with Jupiter or Saturn or whatever, is that Catholics and Protestants at least have a baseline belief in Christ our Lord and the incarnation and the inerrancy of Scripture.
00:41:58.000I mean, they have a shared ethic of ethical monotheism.
00:42:02.000And so, look, but Blake is right, and I know it triggers people like Jack sometimes on social media.
00:42:09.000Protestantism shaped the American ethos.
00:42:11.000self-government, individual liberty, moral responsibility, and suspicion of tyranny are all Protestant contributions.
00:42:22.000Well, yes, I mean, but Anglo-Saxonism.
00:42:24.000You can't separate that from Anglo-Saxonism.
00:42:29.000That was the point I was going to make, right?
00:42:31.000Is that the Anglo-Protestantism blend is why the Protestantism in Africa does not necessarily hold on because the Anglo-tradition of, which, by the way, is a outgrowth, just so we're clear, of Protestantism, or at least Christianity, separation of powers, consent of the governed.
00:42:51.000And you see this in Samuel Rutherford, Lex Rex, who was a Protestant thinker.
00:42:56.000You see this in Blackstone, who was a Protestant thinker.
00:42:58.000And again, I'm not here to bash on Catholics, even though there was a huge anti-Catholic sentiment that was widespread among Jefferson, Adams, and Madison.
00:43:06.000They all viewed the Pope and papal supremacy as a threat to the American Republic.
00:43:12.000I mean, as you all know, the 1774 Quebec Act, which extended Catholic rule in Canada, was cited as one of the intolerable acts leading to the war.
00:43:23.000And even Catholics were legally barred from going from office or voting in several colonies.
00:43:27.000But Charlie, I'm not making that argument, a.k.a.
00:43:56.000No, that's the whole point of Protestantism, right?
00:43:58.000Is that there's Presbyterianism, there is Reform, there's Calvinists, there's Congregationalists, there's Quakers.
00:44:05.000But no, but I mean, again, I just, it's just, I would like Jack to point beyond Charles Carroll that, okay, so I know that Jack is not making the argument that America was founded by Catholics, but you're saying that it was strictly Anglo.
00:44:20.000Of course, I'm agreeing that it was Anglo, but you have to acknowledge, Jack, if you're being intellectually fair, the robust Protestantism mixed with Anglo.
00:44:46.000No, I'm not necessarily saying that it's not.
00:44:50.000And I don't want to be very clear about that, nor have I said that anywhere.
00:44:54.000What I'm saying is that I think a lot of those ethics and those ideals are found in the Anglo-Saxon culture in general.
00:45:04.000And there's a much deeper discussion as to, say, how much of this arises naturally within the Anglo-Saxons.
00:45:15.000And that's why Protestantism took off there so much because of this nature of the Anglo-Saxon.
00:45:22.000And by the way, I say this as a pollock, right?
00:45:26.000And so it's just something I've noticed.
00:45:28.000And I suppose You can say it's one or the other, and I don't think you can.
00:45:36.000I do think you have to say it's both, and it's certainly both, but it's definitely something that you see in the Anglo-Saxon tradition if you look at the history of England, if you look at the history of the English.
00:45:47.000But I mean, Jack, you would agree if you look at the Catholic Church.
00:45:48.000But let me ask you a question, though.
00:45:50.000Even before, certainly well before 15.
00:45:53.000Do you think in 1700s Catholicism, resistance to tyranny was a Catholic value?
00:45:58.000I'm not, again, you're making an argument.
00:46:01.000No, you know the answer is no, and that's fine.
00:46:04.000It's that the idea of rejection of tyranny, there was literally something called the Calvinist resist.
00:46:10.000Again, there was literally something called the Calvinist resistance theory.
00:46:14.000Of course, Charles Carroll, a Catholic, signed on to it, but Catholics were far less likely in the 1700s to have a comprehensive theology to reject power.
00:46:23.000And part of that just came from the overarching supremacy of the Catholic Church.
00:46:30.000But there was something I'm saying, though, that fundamental Catholic ideas and values in the 1700s, and they might have grown and church teaching has evolved, was Catholic values were not necessarily as articulated resistance to tyranny in Calvinism.
00:46:47.000What Catholic Church were they breaking away from at that time frame?
00:46:51.000The British had already broken away writ large.
00:46:56.000So the Church of England they were coming away from.
00:47:40.000fighting against the French Revolution.
00:47:42.000Yeah, I'll let Blake, Blake will be our historian here.
00:47:46.000Look, I'm not even anti-Catholic in this way.
00:47:48.000I just want to make sure I don't know, Jack, why you're hesitant to just give a hat tip to Protestantism and be like, thank you for this incredible.
00:47:58.000And what I'm saying is, from a de-analysis perspective, I think you can't separate it from the fact that it's the Anglo-Saxons.
00:48:19.000This is very dangerous to say that you can separate it.
00:48:22.000I think it's for our policies today, the way we talk about it.
00:48:26.000Well, interestingly enough, Jack, when I was writing that thing that I started this whole conversation with, I remember thinking like Protestant, and then I took that out and I put Catholic.
00:48:36.000And that's, I, I was actually raised Catholic, and so I, but I became, you know, kind of evangelical in college.
00:48:44.000And so like, I feel very ecumenical spiritually, right?
00:49:23.000It's a way you carry yourself, a way you believe, who you obey, who you salute, what you value, what you honor.
00:49:30.000And I think that, listen, Christians of all stripes are very welcome.
00:49:36.000And I think once you get outside of that, I think part of the challenge when you're trying to decide what is an American is you have to make it broad enough to something that even everybody on this chat, if we can't all agree what an American is, then we're going to have issues trying to define that as a country.
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00:50:52.000And Jack, I just want to make one final thing.
00:50:55.000What you are praising is Anglo-Saxon values.
00:50:58.000After the break with Rome from Henry VIII, it was not just the political break, it was a cultural rebirth.
00:51:05.000So it was Protestantism that created the Anglo-Saxon values that you're praising.
00:51:09.000So you go back to the original catalyst.
00:51:12.000It was this idea of the King James Bible, which of course Tyndale was killed by the Catholic Church for that, the Book of Common Prayer, and Puritan theology.
00:51:20.000So again, we can go back and forth, chicken the egg, but what started Anglo-Saxon values that you appreciate?
00:51:26.000Anglo-Saxon values go back to the break from the Catholic Church.
00:51:30.000And that happened in the 1500s, 1600s.
00:51:34.000Or pre, well, I was excuse me, predate the Protestant Reformation by quite small.
00:51:37.000Of course, no, but the Anglo-Saxon values that you appreciate, which both you and I, free speech, common law, separation of powers, all of that was catalyzed and really was put in motion once Henry VIII broke from Rome.
00:51:54.000Individual liberty became to be a huge idea once people could then have widespread literacy because of the King James Bible, they started reading.
00:52:01.000They started to say, Well, I'm made of the image of God and I can govern myself.
00:52:05.000And so, look, I know it seems like it's chicken and the egg, but to go back to the original source, the source was the separation of the Catholic Church and England.
00:52:18.000Why would you say public literacy has not been a success then, Jack?
00:52:23.000You know, there's an interesting school of thought on that.
00:53:08.000So when I brought that up at the start, just the Protestant thing, what's interesting is if you go 120 years ago, you have European Catholics who get really annoyed with American Catholics because they literally had a heresy they called Americanism.
00:53:20.000And it was basically being too American in your outlook, which was basically kind of individualist, a little bit like dissident.
00:53:29.000They associated a lot with the theological, we would say liberalism of the time, but it was different issues than we had today.
00:53:36.000And it caused like the Europeans a lot of angst.
00:53:38.000And it's kind of funny because now you loop it around the other way and Europeans get irritated with the American Catholics because the American Catholics are often too trad and they're like all dissident.
00:53:48.000And like, what do American Catholics do?
00:53:50.000American Catholics go and they do things like they set up Latin Mass parishes where they like hear the mass in Latin.
00:53:56.000Like they don't actually do that in Europe much at all.
00:54:21.000Well, I think it's a very important thing.
00:54:22.000Individual liberty, Protestant value, limited government, Protestant value, rule of law, Protestant value, work, ethic, and thrift, Protestant value, self-governance, Protestants come from Anglo-Christian.
00:54:31.000You can launder them through Anglo-Saxon, but if you peel back the layers to its core, to the seed, to the birth, to the beginning, it's Protestantism.
00:54:39.000And everyone has benefited from that, including Catholics.
00:54:42.000So what does it mean to be an American?
00:54:44.000It's embracing Protestant values, which is geographically.
00:54:47.000Like it was the Anglo-Saxon culture that led the Protestant Reformation, for example.
00:54:53.000Yes, that's why Eastern and Southern and Southern Europe is still predominantly Catholic.
00:55:01.000Because I would argue, by the way, in the same token, that Polish culture, like I'm from, is inherently more communal, which tends towards more Catholicism.
00:55:33.000Again, we're not going to come to some conclusion is that the founding fathers drew from a tradition all the way back from the Magna Carta to the Mayflower Complex to the Declaration to the Constitution, a through line.
00:55:44.000And the catalytic event was when all of a sudden there was a separation from Rome, King James Bible, mass literacy.
00:56:43.000It's everyone knows what an American is.
00:56:45.000And he's so far beyond any of the, like, what Charlie and I are getting into, which was a great conversation, by the way, but it's very parochial, right?
00:56:54.000We're still talking about, vastly speaking, the European Christian tradition.
00:56:58.000And certainly the Anglo-Protestant tradition and Anglo-Protestant people, the British Empire, right?
00:57:04.000Because that's, who ran the British Empire, founded America.
00:57:51.000The same way that in Rome, you could have legal citizenship as a Roman, but it didn't necessarily make you a real Roman if you were not actually a Roman.
01:00:48.000This is interesting because I want to contrast this in our final minute here with what, and we don't have to play the clip, but Matt Walsh went after Maria Elvira Salazar, who's a Republican out of Miami.
01:01:19.000But when I see that clip, it feels completely different.
01:01:23.000Now, we have blasted Maria Elvira Salazar for her soft amnesty push, probably more than anybody else, actually.
01:01:33.000But I would say, like, you know, Cubans, the ones that have come to America and largely are in Florida, they embody an American ethos to me.
01:01:42.000Like when I look at it, they're grateful.
01:03:07.000We are saying, though, that it's more than just paperwork and it's more than just a set of ideas.
01:03:13.000I think that it's very good to ask, you know, to ask the question this semester, you know, hey, not only what is a woman, but what is an American?