On this week's episode of THAKE Crime, four members of the posse join us in The Charlie Kirk Studio to discuss the James Comey Indictment. Andrew, Jack, Tyler, and Charlie discuss the implications of the decision to indict the former FBI Director, James Comey.
00:01:13.000So we so we've been obviously hosting the Charlie Kirk show here.
00:01:18.000We've been hosting human events daily with Jack Basobic here, and now we're hosting Thought Crime here.
00:01:24.000And I walk in and Blake is sitting in my chair, and I was like, I was like, hey, that's my territorial.
00:01:32.000Yeah, Blake Lake went full like autist, and you were like full Tylenol.
00:01:36.000Full Tyler and he goes, that's his him, and he goes, he goes, No, this is where I sat every time with Dip Thought Cry, but I was like, you know what?
00:01:44.000Every single thought crime right here.
00:01:45.000Fair enough, my Tyler there, and then obviously the big man there, and then fourth person if we had him in studio.
00:01:53.000Yeah, and then it's usually I'd be there.
00:01:56.000I was tempted to be like a little butthurt, and then I was like, you know what?
00:02:10.000I do kind of wish I could see the thing behind me.
00:02:14.000It's kind of similar to where you're at, anyways, because when you're remote, you're on the screen.
00:02:17.000So we look that direction at you anyway.
00:02:19.000No, but do you remember there was the there was an episode it wasn't a thought crime, but it was an election stream where we had the camera angle set sort of straight, and the I think the TV was like a little lower, and and it and Bannon was on the TV and it looked like he was sitting in the middle of all of us because of the way the angles were.
00:02:54.000So, and by the way, and we're looking at the you know, the video screen right here, and you know, every single network right now, James Comey indicted, James Comey indicted, two counts.
00:03:12.000This is something where I know she's faced a lot of criticism in her position, but look, this is possibly one of the biggest steps towards writing the scales of justice in America.
00:03:26.000We've had this two-tiered system or three-tiered system in some cases.
00:03:30.000I'm excited to hear Blake's take on this, but yes, continue.
00:03:33.000And and James Comey played a big part of that.
00:03:35.000He played a very, very big part of that.
00:03:38.000And and I just gotta say off the top, but hats off to Pam Bonnie for doing this.
00:03:41.000So you know what's the first thing I thought of when the news broke?
00:03:46.000I thought of no, that thank goodness, no.
00:03:49.000Um I you know what I thought of though was when James Comey was on with Jen Pasaki.
00:03:58.000And was asking, well, what happens if Trump, you know, gets elected, but then he's still you know, gets in uh convicted of a crime.
00:04:08.000And he was like, well, we could put him in, you know, a special trailer out in the prison yard, and you know, there's there's uh special dispensations for that.
00:04:17.000And and it I don't know why that was the memory that flooded back into my head.
00:04:22.000Other than the fact that it was the the arrogance that these people exhibited, and you know, now we're learning from this indictment, and we should go over what we're learning in the indictment, but that they he was actively leaking all this stuff to the press, and we knew that.
00:04:38.000I mean, we knew that from before with these memos, and I think it was Ben Ben Witt of I think It kind of denied it, or he played coy, and he was he was parsing his words, and you know, it was all very transparent, but he was doing what a spook does, and he basically was you know playing the audience.
00:04:54.000And so I I just the arrogance of going we're gonna lock President Trump up to the city.
00:05:01.000He's yeah, but we're gonna lock him up in a courtyard, and he's gonna be able to work out and you know, shower and all this stuff, even as president of the United States locked up.
00:05:09.000I mean, it was just the arrogance of this man, and so there is a little bit of visceral kind of like this feels right, but I want to hear Blake's take on it before.
00:05:21.000First of all, before we do takes, let's get and Blake is always the best at this.
00:05:25.000What do we know about these indictments?
00:05:51.000So uh on or about September 30th, 2020, in the Eastern District of Virginia, the defendant, James Comey, did willfully and knowingly make a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement in a matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch of the U.S. government by falsely stating to a U.S. Senator during a judiciary committee hearing that he,
00:06:11.000James Comey, had not author not, quote, authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports regarding an FBI investigation concerning person one.
00:06:26.000Who could person one person one was always Trump person one was always Trump?
00:06:31.000Two, and then they say that statement was false because as James Comey knew then and there, he had in fact authorized person three to serve as an anonymous source in news reports regarding an FBI investigation concerning person one, all in violation of 18 U.S. Code 1000.
00:06:50.000I heard person three was Andrew McCabe.
00:06:52.000Is that it is almost certain that this is Andrew McCabe was leaking things to the press at the instigation at the approval of Comey, and that he then allegedly Andrew McCabe would, or would he have sent a dispatch sort of one of his little minions to do so?
00:07:08.000Well or is it just that he dispatched it, so it's still at he's still personally the same thing, right?
00:07:13.000Is that he had his own people who I mean those people could be working with the you know with the prosecutors.
00:07:19.000Now that said though, if he was doing that at with the authorization of the director of the FBI, would that be a crime?
00:07:29.000Well, if it was confidential information and classified information, it still would be, by the way.
00:07:34.000And then they have count two, obstruction of a congressional proceeding on or about September 30th, 2020, same day.
00:07:40.000This is a date he testified before the Senate.
00:07:42.000Oh, okay, so in the Eastern District of Virginia, James Comey did corruptly endeavor to influence, obstruct, and impede the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which an investigation was being had before the Senate Judiciary Committee by making false and misleading statements before that committee in violation of 18 U.S. Code 1505.
00:08:28.000I think obstruction of a pro official proceeding is a bit different because that covered like let's see, federal law, uh US Code 1512, this is 1505.
00:08:54.000That would be No, I because I remember I talked to Julie Kelly about that so many times, and we were talking about the construction of that statute and how it was made, and you know, really what the what the purpose of it was, etc.
00:09:05.000And so I just I remember that you know that string.
00:09:08.000I'm I'm so not a lawyer, but I remember that code.
00:09:11.000Yeah, it's interesting, it's poetic, although it is it is in also interesting, they're going for that simply from the fact that I know one of the legal cases in J6 was kind of premised on the fact that I I believe they were trying to overturn it.
00:09:25.000Well, they overturn it because the obstruction of official proceeding law was apparently intended to cover like almost terrorism type stuff, like you're attacking like you're burning documents, you're destroying things, you're doing like really big aggressive stuff, and that's why it can cover a 20-year penalty.
00:09:42.000Uh and it probably they argued wasn't meant to cover lesser things like base, you know, what J6 was where they just kind of broke in and like were hooligans for a while.
00:09:54.000But that's how they were they were getting tons of people on the, you know, oh, you obstructed the proceeding by walking in and making Congress run away for a bit.
00:10:02.000But I just I just want to say that again.
00:10:03.000So it it it looks like it looks like that James Comey was indicted under the same code the J6ers were.
00:10:11.000There's some uh some sweet uh poetic some spiritual justice there.
00:10:15.000Well, that makes it really difficult for all the people.
00:10:17.000So now how are they gonna go against it when they said they were all for it when there's well so Blake, I want you to chime in on something that you have uh I I think beat into my head over the last however many years.
00:10:35.000You do not want to fly off the cuff willy-nilly with half-baked crap against your political opponents, because then you're starting to get into Banana Republic territory.
00:10:45.000I don't think this is half-baked at all.
00:10:48.000I'm saying as a general rule, Blake is always geared that way.
00:10:52.000He's sort of assuming that the there is a cartoonish, clownish character that can emerge when we're trying to seek justice or vengeance is when there's a lot of people.
00:11:05.000Black pill Blake, contrarian Blake, but no, but it's a good it's a good break to a gas pedal.
00:11:09.000You gotta have both pedals uh to drive the car and not get into a cat crash, okay.
00:11:14.000So looking at the details, Blake, would you put it in the half-baked, gun half cocked, or would you put this in the would you put this in the this looks pretty well thought out, and they've taken their time and they've done they've it's pretty up open and shut.
00:11:29.000Well, so contextually, one reason it's dropped now is the statute of limitations for what they've charged him with actually expires next Tuesday.
00:11:46.000Um so hopefully they've lined a lot of this up.
00:11:50.000I worry if the charges are strong enough, uh, it's basically like you know, it says so if they can basically prove that he directed people to leak things, and that that is criminal as we understand.
00:12:02.000So this means McCabe might have to testify against him.
00:12:29.000Now a thing I saw that did it gave me pause.
00:12:32.000I saw a few people say it on X, where they immediately said, Oh, you and I were talking about this, Jack.
00:12:38.000Someone said, like, give him a perp walk on live TV.
00:12:40.000And all I would say is if your goal of indicting someone is to get the perp walk of them you might want to cool it down a bit.
00:12:48.000That's when it goes into that that cartoon character.
00:12:51.000Yeah, you don't you don't a lot of people they want the pageantry, they want the imagery, they love people are upset.
00:12:58.000They like they are, and they like the TV image of like the people who have hurt us who have done things that have infuriated us, you know, justifiably just viably, justifiably.
00:13:07.000And then they like the idea of them facing justice.
00:13:11.000Justice is not making Comey do a perp walk, justice is finding the truth, and if he burnt the walk, holding finding him guilty and holding him to account.
00:13:19.000If you um you anyone can search my Twitter, I'm against perp walks, I've always been against them.
00:13:37.000And so, and just to caution everyone, and I'm gonna say remember where we were two years ago, they indicted Donald Trump on a bunch of things, and they were extremely happy about it at the time.
00:13:51.000They gloated about the mug shop and they were about everyone.
00:13:56.000They overreached and it absolutely sent the right bonkers.
00:13:59.000It guaranteed he was going to get the nomination.
00:14:01.000I mean, he almost certainly was anyway, but 100% ended the primary.
00:14:05.000It gave huge impetus to everyone on the right, and it continued to do that because so much of the case was a clown show with Big Fanny with Alvin.
00:14:14.000And this is not a novel legal theory here, though.
00:14:16.000It is not more grounded, straight, grounded false statement and feel it feels very sort of cut and dry in a sense.
00:14:25.000Like it's a very simple thing they're alleging.
00:15:12.000So because he lied in the investigation of this leak, that's what they're getting him on.
00:15:18.000Um, and and so we'd have to go back and know what's we we should find the I'm sure I'm sure people have already found because it has the date of the hearing, so I'm sure we could pull up what the you know what he was talking about.
00:15:43.000Well, he he does really come off like one, but secondly, he you know, i i he he he had that moment with Hillary Clinton that probably helped President Trump, right?
00:15:56.000In 2016, where he said we're opening the investigation into the email servers.
00:16:00.000Yeah, but he's also the guy who they hate shut it down.
00:16:28.000I I don't know if he is like is the initial person to come up with it, but he certainly used it and popularized it.
00:16:34.000This is a and James Comey used to talk about the vergon's.
00:16:38.000It feels weird how comey is this like forest gump guy who just keeps popping up everywhere with him.
00:16:42.000Yeah, and and I don't remember he was never an FBI agent.
00:16:44.000I think he was a DOJ, uh he was like a lower attorney, and then eventually got got plucked out of that, and he was the uh successor to Mueller uh in uh and then he you know he you know came up through those ranks, but he was yeah, he was someone who was known known quote unquote as a Republican prior to all of this, but he's one of those like like MSNBC Republicans.
00:17:05.000He's a Republican who took all of the changes of the 2010s very hard, and he went from being this like six foot five or how how tall is six eight six eight.
00:17:51.000Yeah, and this is after you know the assassination attempts on President Trump.
00:17:55.000Yeah, now it's and and I mean and that even I mean that plays into the run-up here with Charlie's assassination, which is like it's guys like James Comey that that were publicly calling for the elimination of public officials.
00:18:42.000And and and and well, Blake, one of the things that I I should also mention in the sense that um based on what we know now, the fact that it's in the Eastern District of Virginia is likely an attempt to get it out of the DC uh district, where of course we know the DC jury pool is and and you know it is what it is, right?
00:19:01.000It's part of the system where it's ninety-six percent.
00:19:04.000We should probably pull it up for the 2034 election.
00:19:10.000Um every single J Sixer, I think there was a hundred percent conviction rate.
00:19:13.000Uh and and on the flip side, there was a hundred percent conviction rate for Bannon, uh, there would have been for Trump, for Roger Stone, for uh General Flynn's situation, he would have been found guilty, et cetera, et cetera.
00:19:43.000I I know where you're going with this, and you're exactly right.
00:19:45.000And it's gonna be it seems like a serious problem if when our political polarization has grown to such a degree that you have a 90 10 jury pool of potential people almost always weighted in favor of another party.
00:19:58.000So how are you going to get a jury of your peers when you're already stacked to have a jury that's completely against you because this is a political prosecution?
00:20:05.000It's a 90 yeah, whereas whereas by the way, the eastern district of Virginia, it's known as the Rocket Docket, it's known for um being a quick uh you know, quick procedures there, and by the way, has been historically used for national security crimes.
00:20:19.000Uh so this is something that they're you know, there's so much of the national security crime industry is there.
00:20:23.000The judges is i is the is the big thing.
00:20:25.000I mean, we saw that with the jury shopping, like it's literally known for this.
00:20:46.000No, so I I mean listen, my my instinct here is that the so and maybe Blake you would disagree with this, but my instinct here is that you've got Dan Bon Gino, Cash Patel, Pam Bondy under a excruciating amount of pressure to come up with the goods, right?
00:21:03.000They the the base wants they want consequences and accountability for what uh we lived through during the Biden years, and goodness was there a lot of it.
00:21:14.000And it seems like they waited longer than would be politically advantageous for them, right?
00:21:20.000Because their jobs are on the line, right?
00:21:22.000I mean, they're they're wondering are we are we gonna get fired by President Trump any day soon?
00:21:26.000And so they took time, obviously the statue's running out, but they you gotta believe that when Dan Bon Gino would hint, like, trust me, things are coming, or uh Mike Davis would go on and be like, guys, I'm I'm in the loop, just chill out, things are coming, everybody just bide your time.
00:21:44.000This is definitely one of the things that they've been working on, and I gotta believe that whether it sticks or not, they're putting their best foot forward with the like best easiest case that they they can probably do, right?
00:21:57.000To get a to get a big name, you know, person that has wronged well, you know, as a conservative I would think I I all that to say I think I put a relatively high amount of confidence in the the the fact that they probably have a pretty good case here.
00:22:12.000We and and and so much of this we knew already.
00:22:14.000Um I I actually was one of the things I first went viral for back in 2017 was dinging Comey on false statements because he would do this all the time.
00:22:21.000He would say things in one testimony and then he'd say things in the next testimony.
00:22:25.000Uh one time he said I never felt coercion or pressure to end an investigation.
00:22:29.000And the very Next time he went before Congress, he said, I felt pressured to end uh to end the Russian investigation.
00:22:35.000Well, by the way, that that is the that is a hallmark of a liar.
00:23:58.000The funny part, I was in Michigan during all this because of the Michigan thing, but uh I was I I mean, without a doubt, and this is all throughout all the years.
00:24:07.000Charlie always had my back and had always been you know the first to defend and everything else, and there was there's no worse feeling than when the entire government's coming after you.
00:24:17.000And Charlie was the first like we've got you 100%.
00:24:21.000And uh and yeah, I And now you've had some good news.
00:24:26.000Like literally the like the day after um the appeal that they so I uh my motion to uh remand back to the grand jury because they didn't bring sufficient evidence to prosecute all of us, uh got approved.
00:24:42.000It got it got basically remanded, and the state was appealing, and the appeal got denied straight up this week.
00:24:48.000So they have to start all over and we'll see what they do.
00:24:52.000So uh we know in Michigan just recently they they knocked this whole thing off.
00:24:57.000So but again, that's that's that's so many people, and and and by the way, like okay, you know, you you're an official attorney point, God at turn point action, but so many of these people are just like county committee members and you know, just regular senior citizens.
00:25:13.000Like you were the biggest target that they could get everybody else's.
00:25:17.000And all you did was say, like, hey, public officials.
00:25:20.000In in the case that this, you know, some of our Trump's legal proceedings prove fruitful, then we want to make sure because of the laws that we have this backup in place.
00:25:33.000The Democrats actually came up with this whole idea of you know of having making sure, and and again, it makes sense when you have close elections.
00:25:41.000What you don't want to have happen in any of these states, and I can't get into too many of the details, but what you don't want to have happen is it be like within a few thousand votes, and then they realize they did something wrong or they miscounted or whatever.
00:25:54.000And remember, this is during COVID when all these new rules got put in place, all these million ballots.
00:25:59.000And so a lot of people had come to us and said, Hey, we're not totally sure that everything is like on the up and up here.
00:26:04.000People like Bob Spindell up in Wisconsin.
00:26:08.000You guys better have your paperwork ready.
00:26:10.000No, the way I frame it is imagine if the papers aren't ready, how mad the president will be, how mad the uh the country will be, the base, the voters will be if you basically don't do the right thing.
00:26:31.000So I just wanted to flag uh another breaking news item that's happened in relation to this is uh we kind of the way they're gonna hype this up.
00:26:38.000We have a uh deputy U.S. attorney or assistant U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.
00:26:45.000Uh he has filed a letter to uphold my oath to the Constitution and country.
00:26:49.000I hereby resign as an assistant United States attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia in the Department of Justice effective immediately.
00:27:25.000They're just like this we live in a dictatorship, and the tyranny of yeah, well, okay.
00:27:32.000Could you imagine being indicted just for and it's like literally exactly what here's what this is why we this is why I'm talking about Tyler and and like Tyler hates talking about it, but whatever.
00:27:49.000But it's it's that story that that you have still this platform to be able to say, and and obviously have you know, and having the backing of an organization to be able to fight that.
00:27:59.000Average people who went up against 1600 people were mass indicted over J6.
00:28:05.000Uh, people were in, you know, in some cases lost their jobs over COVID.
00:28:10.000Um, some people lost even more than that over COVID.
00:28:13.000Uh Donald Trump and anyone associated with him, people were losing their law licenses, people are still losing their law licenses, people were indicted, people were sued.
00:28:22.000There was all there was a mass insanity for four years, and every single time it was some novel legal theory or some star chamber or some nonsense thing that that nobody could even understand what the indictment was.
00:28:40.000And let's be frank, even though this I as far as I know is the first time that an FBI director has been indicted.
00:28:45.000It's probably not the first time that an FBI director or CIA director has lied to Congress.
00:28:50.000And we certainly know that John Brennan or people like uh Jayger Hoover, the original director of the FBI, had uh a complete uh habit of this.
00:28:58.000You know, they used to say that Jay Garhoover would turn off the congressional wiretaps right before he went to testify, so that when he testified, he wouldn't be lying when he said, Oh no, I would never wiretop members of Congress.
00:29:22.000Yeah, but they they is the organization that was working to disbar lawyers who defended Donald Trump.
00:29:28.000I mean, this was like what it was like a full You thought he has lawyers, yeah.
00:29:32.000You couldn't even Trump was having trouble getting lawyers because there was organizations that were well funded that were working to disbar his lawyers.
00:29:53.000He thought through not gonna want to say, Oh, I don't want to do this, I don't want to be involved with that, I don't want to be associated, because it's a fear tactic.
00:29:59.000And this is actually in that that clip of Charlie Um that Mikey posted recently about why Republicans are so scared to go on offense.
00:30:10.000He said, you know, he says, look at what they did to Bannon, look at what they did.
00:30:14.000He's talking about law fair, and he's talking about how it's it creates a chilling effect for Republicans that nobody wants to ever I'm gonna have to use the phrase stick their neck out and because they don't want to be the next one, they don't want to be the next band and they don't want to be the next.
00:30:28.000I think he says James O'Keefe, and they don't be the next Donald Trump because they're terrified of standing out because when you stand out, you get cut down.
00:30:37.000And he explained the effect it had across all levels.
00:30:41.000Was he relating that to the Cornhusker thing?
00:30:43.000Yeah, he was relating it to like taking offense in Nebraska for winner take all.
00:30:53.000So this week we saw the left lose their mind when Jimmy Kimmel got basically questioned, very basically questioned for what what he was saying and doing in his on his platform.
00:31:07.000Remember, the left went after the individual, they went after individual conservatives and deplatformed them, de-banked them, did all these things.
00:31:15.000It wasn't the big guys, it was the small guys in most cases that they were going the individual.
00:31:21.000It was the small guy in this same issue.
00:31:24.000They were going after the small people and indict the small people and and knocking the small People whacking those moles all across the country and taking out the legs out from underneath the conservative movement.
00:31:36.000And it wasn't the in most cases, it wasn't all just the big guys.
00:31:40.000It was the small guys they were they were getting rid of.
00:31:43.000And and this now they're all losing their mind over James Comey.
00:31:46.000The Comey Kimmel situation this week is so similar in the fact that the left had gone after the grassroots of this country, the average citizen trying to, just like Jack is saying, trying to dissuade them from per participating from the civic and civic engagement,
00:32:02.000base of civic engagement, and and and then at the same time they're wanting to protect you know the biggest uh arbiters and in in these problems that are really you know trashing and and hurting the country, and they want to get away with it, and they they shouldn't be able to.
00:32:37.000Charlie always loved every time he heard someone said they were going to church, reading the Bible, taking their faith more seriously because of what they'd seen or heard from him.
00:32:50.000Oh no, that's always more keep keep them coming in.
00:32:53.000Blake, Blake will find them, Blake will read them, and we will shut up so that your voice can be on the air through our rumble rants.
00:33:00.000Uh, I just wanted to give a shout out to Greg Price because he's pulled the what we believe to be the moment of uh and we have the video, we'll get the video in a second of what Comey lied about.
00:33:11.000It was the Steele dossier, so that's that's what we were thinking.
00:33:14.000So his his tweet reads James Comey told Congress in September 2020 that the Steel dossier was not used in the 2016, uh, the ICA, this intelligence community assessment on the Russia hoax.
00:33:28.000It was reported on, uh, at least in the unclassified format, that uh there, you know, the intelligence community, remember 16 agencies, 17 agencies, over and over and over.
00:33:37.000They assessed that Russia hacked the election, it russia hacked the election, and Comey told them that it did not involve the Steele dossier.
00:33:44.000Well, what do we put together with that?
00:34:11.000So one of those 17 agencies uh that's under the ODNI is the FBI.
00:34:17.000So the FBI was part of this, so there's there's no question that James Comey uh certainly would have not only been part of the initial process, but you know, you'd want to review something like that before you go to Congress.
00:34:34.000I remember being told that the group's view was it was significant enough and consistent enough with other intelligence that it ought to be included, but it wasn't sufficiently corroborated to be in the body of the intelligence community assessment.
00:34:47.000So they put a brief summary of it in an in an annex.
00:36:27.000No, and Liz Cheney, and like these guys that like in the same way when they were went after Trump so hard, and then like they had to come back.
00:36:35.000And like the the guys down in Georgia, what's uh what's his name that left the Raffer?
00:36:40.000Not Raffensburg, the other one that left the party that was the left party, Purdue.
00:37:20.000It's that they basically realized the Steel Dossier was garbage, and yet there was a meeting, I forget the exact date, it was in December of 2016.
00:37:31.000Donald Trump's about to take over as president, and they get to work sabotaging the elected representative of the people to lead the country.
00:37:39.000And who's the leader of the free free world?
00:37:41.000And who was it that briefed the steel dossier to Donald Trump?
00:37:46.000So this isn't like this isn't an example of some low-level functionary or you know, someone who's got no culpability, wrong place, the wrong time.
00:37:55.000No, you were the individual, James Comey, who, through your own actions.
00:38:00.000By the way, we never really found who it was that leaked out to Jake Tapper, by the way, because it was Jake Tapper on CNN, who's very, very upset that CNN had me on this week.
00:38:09.000He's like screaming about it behind the scenes over there.
00:38:37.000And then suddenly, suddenly, James Comey briefs it to the president, and the very next day, just about Jake Tapper goes up on TV, Jake Taper, and says, This was briefed to the president.
00:39:15.000I think it was I think it was in Canada.
00:39:17.000Yeah, it was at one of those uh uh it was like a defense forum.
00:39:20.000He was at uh defense forum, and somebody randomly came up to him and gave it to him.
00:39:25.000That was uh some head of state from somewhere, and he was the one that delivered it, and that's why I bring up those names because all of those names revolved around that man, our late senator here in in Arizona, John McCain.
00:39:40.000That like that was like the last final, you know, you know, we everyone remembers the thumbs down on the on the getting rid of uh Obamacare.
00:39:50.000This is also one of the biggest most Yeah, I forgot.
00:39:54.000Uh a little little uh ode to Charlie here, uh throw up image 250, and this is Charlie on 5720.
00:40:04.000So in 2020, May 7th, 2020, he says, retweet if James Comey should be prosecuted in charge for what he did to Michael Flynn, General Michael Flynn.
00:40:15.000So remember, Michael Flynn was entrapped, basically, lured into a meeting without a lawyer, uh, under the you know the assumption that this was a cooperative, hey, we're all in the government kind of thing.
00:40:28.000And then we also have a clip that's coming of former director Comey sort of bragging about how he destroyed General Flynn's career.
00:40:39.000And so, I mean, you start putting all these little pieces together, and it's really hard to have a lot of sympathy for this guy.
00:40:47.000He's going to put his little his little uh memos out, his little selfie videos out, and act like he's the defender of democracy.
00:40:54.000But remember, every time they say that they're defending democracy, these are the same people that try to throw a former president of the United States into federal prison for 700 years on under a novel legal theory.
00:41:05.000So of course, if you're on if you're on the left, if you're an MSNBC watcher, right?
00:42:06.000Um I probably wouldn't have done or maybe gotten away with in a more organized investigation, more organized administration in the George W. Bush administration, for example, or the Obama administration.
00:42:19.000The protocol, two men that all of us have perhaps increased appreciation for uh over the last two years.
00:42:30.000And in both of those administrations, there was process.
00:42:32.000And so if the FBI wanted to send agents into the White House itself to interview a senior official, you would work through the White House council and there'd be discussions and approvals and who would be there.
00:42:52.000Yeah, it's just it really gets a whether he goes to jail or not.
00:42:56.000Like, we really need to make sure that James Comey is just remembered for what an like odious and very hubristic, like self-important figure he was.
00:43:04.000That he's just this calling the cardinal.
00:43:07.000Yeah, he just thinks he's gonna be able to do that.
00:43:12.000And I'm trying not to give in to this like this visceral urge just to dunk on him and be like extraordinarily joyous, but you're hitting on exactly right.
00:43:22.000He's so pretentious and smug and and go on.
00:43:26.000And and like not just smug, it's that he really sees himself as like the main character of an espionage novel or a career.
00:43:35.000So it's like you think of all these other episodes, like in the 2016 election.
00:43:38.000Remember, he was a liberal villain first, and it's because he's so self-importantly injecting himself into everything.
00:43:45.000I'm going to go on TV and I'm going to announce whether we're indicting Hillary, and no one is going to know, and not even Obama is going to know.
00:43:53.000And I'm going to then reopen, dramatically reopen the investigation the week before.
00:43:58.000But you know, it's not going to matter.
00:43:59.000And then I think he's even said, I cannot find where this was.
00:44:02.000I'm pretty sure he basically said, I, you know, began to suspect Trump might be a Russian agent when I saw him on the podium saying, like, you know, that thing where he was like, oh, Putin should find Hillary's emails.
00:44:14.000And every dumb person, including the head of the FBI, it turns out, is like, is he communicating directly with Putin?
00:44:20.000Like, just the stupidest people in the world.
00:45:58.000I will tell you, you know, in the in the midst of all this tragedy, and I think everybody's kind of wondering what kind of country we have, and they're worried about their kids' future.
00:46:06.000Those are valid concerns, valid worries.
00:47:07.000I wore I I'm thinking of buying multiple of those freedom shirts just so I can wear them like multiple days in a row without it being too gross because it is great.
00:47:17.000Like just the other day I was at a Charlie Kirk store.
00:47:21.000Yeah, you know, I just went out to a uh a friend's place in out in Mesa, just wearing it because I'd worn it at work that day, and just two women were talking outside, middle-aged women, and they saw it, and they were just like, you know, I love your shirt.
00:47:40.000They were talking about, you know, both of them said I hadn't seen a lot of Charlie's stuff before, but now like I'm watching his videos constantly.
00:47:48.000You know, it's so incredible who he was a new fans, man.
00:47:51.000And it it's kind of so, and you know, they were they were very horrified at what the reaction had been.
00:47:56.000So it wasn't just they'd realize what Charlie is.
00:47:58.000They are they'd experienced that whole range of seeing how good he was and how hateful so many of the people are who are celebrating it and all of that.
00:48:06.000And these are just ordinary women in Mesa had a good conversation with them for a few minutes, and I'd love to have more conversations like that.
00:48:51.000Again, the effort on and the attention on misleading that rising according to the DOJ indictment to what they're gonna argue is a criminal level, a false statements charge, which Joyce Vance, you were just explaining, requires uh meeting a certain bar of materiality.
00:49:08.000Uh we don't have the indictment yet, but the reporting prior was that this was referenced to Comey answering a question about the general news and leaks policy at DOJ uh and uh basically whether he was fully briefed on a Clinton related matters.
00:49:23.000With our final 30 seconds, your final thoughts.
00:49:26.000Well, look, I think this is a good moment for us to all Before we jump to conclusions, wait to see the indictment, wait to see the response from Jim Comey's team.
00:49:36.000There's still barriers in the criminal justice system that prevent miscarriage of justice.
00:49:42.000A grand jury has decided that they will issue an indictment here, apparently.
00:49:47.000Um, but there are other issues going forward, including a judge and a jury.
00:49:51.000Let's let the system work like it's intended to.
00:49:54.000We're gonna get a hold of the paper, we're gonna be following this, but it is an extraordinary news event to have the former FBI director indicted, especially under these terms.
00:50:40.000And by the way, when you like, uh I don't think any of us in here have done this, but you know, for anyone who's done like any deposition, uh none of us have been briefed before.
00:50:50.000Uh Charlie used to talk about when he went to testify to the J6 committee.
00:51:25.000And you I'm about to go over I'm about to go in again to have to fight the AG here, and you know, your lawyers are with you throughout the entire thing, both in any interview, if you get subpoenaed, or if you have to go in and you know, testify to a grand jury, or then ultimately testify to a jury or whatever it is.
00:51:42.000I mean, there's a tremendous amount of prep that goes into all these things.
00:51:45.000And that's why any good lawyer, before they ask you, before you answer a yes or no question like that, they'll they'll say, hey, you know, can you clarify that question?
00:51:53.000Can you, you know, are you sure this is what you're asking out?
00:51:55.000Because you know that if it's if it's in court, that's perjury.
00:51:59.000And if you're in Congress, that's lying to Congress.
00:52:37.000I mean, you could you can you can make the argument that the best and deepest and most uh aggressive attorneys are all within the DC metro area.
00:52:46.000They all that's where they all live and survive.
00:52:49.000And and you can bet that the best possible guys were provided to him by everyone who hated any friends.
00:53:04.000They're just they're full of the city.
00:53:07.000He says, Well, he was he was answering a general statement about the leak policy.
00:53:12.000It wasn't a general statement about the leak policy.
00:53:14.000It was specific leaks of a specific instance on a specific article.
00:53:20.000And then Ari Melbourne's already sitting up there.
00:53:22.000He's are this is what they do every time.
00:53:25.000The same thing Jimmy Kimmel did the other day, the same thing that you saw leftists do in the in the wake of the uh when you know when I reported that it was the anti-ICE on the bullets, and then you we had the picture that came out.
00:53:40.000Um let's uh let's read President Trump's truth on this.
00:53:43.000First uh real quick, just because it disappears quick.
00:53:46.000Uh Jay McGuire donated a dollar and asked, have we seen the fearless tour at all and how are they treated at the tennis?
00:53:52.000Yeah, he got I mean, all they were doing was having I watched the whole video.
00:53:55.000We should have him on next week, and we will uh tomorrow's show's all packed out already, but uh maybe Monday Tuesday.
00:54:03.000The yeah, I mean it was a complete joke.
00:54:06.000He they were having civil debates on an HBCU, and a crowd sort of gathers and then uh chases them off and they're getting hurled insults for their hat.
00:54:16.000I think they were wearing MAGA hats, and they had to be escorted off with police uh to keep them safe.
00:54:21.000So uh there their name is Fearless Tour, and you know, God bless them.
00:54:26.000I love I love that people are going back into the into the lion's den and doing this, and and it's and I'm I'm proud of them.
00:55:12.000I know you love uh I know you love when when the politicians chime in on the legal proceedings.
00:55:17.000You know, it's it I would just caution people that the stuff you do now, perpacks statements, it can be very satisfying in the moment.
00:55:26.000But among other things, I don't think it increases your chances of getting an actual conviction.
00:55:30.000Uh this is and I'm just gonna say this as well that this is a very direct issue that is being brought up in the Ouija Magioni case right now, where uh there is a motion from the defense team to knock the death penalty off because of Twitter activity by members of Department of Justice officials, uh retweets and different things like this.
00:55:55.000So I mean, I have some sympathy in that instance simply because Luigi Magioni premeditated an assassination against a CEO, the United Healthcare CEO.
00:56:10.000To g to bring justice to a cold-blooded assassin is you know, I I feel like morally there's a lot of leg to stand on the case.
00:56:18.000No, I know, but I'm saying that legal.
00:56:30.000And you know, someone says, I you know, someone said in the uh discussion, they said, Yeah, we just regarding this, nothing better than a Trump truth.
00:57:00.000So that selective prosecution piece is augmented or buffeted by the fact that the president was tweeting out, do it and go after him.
00:57:10.000And maybe if Lindsay Heligan was actually a prosecutor and actually knew some law, she would have said, Mr. President, we're gonna have a problem here.
00:57:18.000Kendelanian, who had some of the original reporting on the fact that we were expecting this indictment and on this timeline, so that proved accurate.
00:57:27.000Um, we're now hearing from the attorney general and from the director of the FBI.
00:57:32.000This is what Pam Bondi posted on X. No one is above the law.
00:57:35.000Today's indictment reflects this Department of Justice's commitment to holding those who abuse positions of power accountable for misleading the American people.
00:57:44.000We will follow the facts in this case.
00:57:45.000I want you to take that Ken side by side with what um FBI director Cash Patal posted on X. Today, your FBI took another step in its promise of full accountability for far too long, previous corrupt leadership and their enablers weaponized federal law enforcement, damaging once proud institutions and severely eroding public trust.
00:58:31.000You'll forgive me, Ken, because getting through that propaganda was a little bit difficult.
00:58:35.000But given that there was reporting earlier that Pam Oh, they're losing the listen to this stock.
00:58:43.000It's just gonna you know, at least I'll I'll give Abby Phillips over at CNN some props here because at least she'll have like Scott Jennings on or someone who disagrees.
00:58:54.000But what is the point of having a panel on MSNBC where everyone has the exact same opinion?
00:59:00.000This is exactly why we have our DEI hire Blake here.
00:59:28.000Yeah, obstruction would be the lying about the leaking.
00:59:32.000I think both are the lie, they just kind of tagged him twice.
00:59:34.000Yeah, so false statement and then the obstruction because he told the false statement.
00:59:38.000So there's another clip going around that you know, James Comey told Congress on September 30th, 2020, could be one of the lies that was told.
00:59:49.000Comey said he had never authorized anyone within the FBI to be a quote anonymous source about the Trump Russia investigation.
00:59:58.000So this and he told that to Senator Ted Cruz, so let's go ahead and play that.
01:00:05.000Chairman Grassley asked you point blank, quote, have you ever been an anonymous source in news reports about matters relating to the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation?
01:00:15.000You responded under oath, quote, never.
01:00:19.000He then asked you, quote, have you ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be on anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the Clinton administration?
01:00:32.000Now, as you know, Mr. McCabe, who works for you, has publicly and repeatedly stated that he leaked information to the Wall Street Journal who's telling the truth.
01:04:06.000Um what uh what I mean, I think Janky producer Angelo says janky.
01:04:11.000I think we we've gotten through the the I uh I do kind of want to just uh uh to cover the uh the Cubs thing just because I find it so funny.
01:04:18.000I know you want to, but but let me let me just add this this final piece here while we're on on Comey.
01:04:24.000It's you have to restore the scales of justice to balance.
01:04:30.000You have to do that, and you must do it using the iron law of exact reciprocity.
01:04:36.000It has to be done to the people who wielded government power for ill gotten ends.
01:04:45.000It was McCabe, there were so many of them, and gosh, I was just looking, I was running like a Twitter search on Charlie's tweets, and he's got the lists over and over, over and over.
01:04:55.000Over and over, Charlie said, Why were so many of our people indicted for this when James Comey did the exact same thing?
01:05:02.000And I I I'm sure Charlie knew exactly the dates and times that he did it.
01:05:07.000And of course, of course, Charlie can't play a part in this because of what was done to him.
01:05:14.000And so when the pressure is being applied in one direction, the pressure of state power, like we saw for four years straight, including by the way, to the turning point organization itself.
01:05:26.000Uh both well, just I'll just say through through investigation upon investigation that was opened up, and and I know there's more that's going to be coming out on the FBI investigation.
01:05:36.000And if you don't if you don't respond, if you don't do anything to balance it out, they're just gonna do it again.
01:05:45.000No, I I think that's really very clear.
01:05:48.000We've been looking for uh an a balancing of the scales, and you have to have mutually assured assured destruction in a in a in a democracy for both sides to treat the other with respect.
01:05:59.000Like if you step out of line, we are not so cowardly as to not hold you accountable.
01:06:04.000The despite what MSNBC is going to say that this is the end of democracy, which they notably were not saying when our border was open and political opponents of the left were getting indicted left and right.
01:06:40.000I think pictures from the you know, so that means he's a player like in the age range of you know, the the core demographic that Charlie went for.
01:06:47.000And he'd met Charlie, he knew Charlie.
01:06:49.000I think they actually even lived in the same facil uh place for a while, uh, but I don't know if uh I've seen that reported, I don't know if it's uh the case.
01:06:57.000But so he had met Charlie, he'd known Charlie, he saw him at a game once, and then he wanted so he attended the memorial.
01:07:05.000He was invited uh by Erica directly, is what reporting says.
01:07:11.000Now, for those of you who don't know baseball, baseball plays 160 games a year, they're playing almost every day, so he had to miss a game to do that.
01:07:19.000Uh the Cubs are going to the playoffs.
01:07:22.000They in fact have already clinched a playoff spot.
01:07:58.000Are you concerned about the last week?
01:08:01.000There is a lot of politics about this.
01:08:03.000Yeah, I mean, absolutely, I'm not concerned at all, no.
01:08:06.000Um, you know, my connection with Charlie was through our faith.
01:08:09.000Um that's something that drives me every day.
01:08:11.000That's the reason why you know I'm able to do what I do every day.
01:08:14.000Um, and that's something I'm extremely thankful for.
01:08:16.000Um, you know, I know without my faith and and without the many blessings I've been given in my life that I wouldn't be here able to talk to you guys, able to help this team eventually go and win championships.
01:08:26.000Um so that's something I feel really, really blessed about.
01:08:29.000Um so you know, whatever backlash comes is is okay, you know.
01:08:33.000Um I feel feel strong about my faith in that that what was meant to be happening.
01:08:39.000I call uh I I thought I was getting a different one there, uh, but no, that's actually a very good one.
01:08:43.000Uh really is it shows his uh so the backlash, which I also want to show here is uh this started with uh an announcer on I think he was the Mets announcer, but was calling the game and he commented on it as uh Matt was batting the following day, so in a Monday's game.
01:09:02.000Shaw had Cubs World in a tizzy this weekend when he was not here for the Cubs game with the Reds.
01:09:11.000Game they lost one nothing, and in which his lack of presence was felt.
01:09:16.000It was later revealed that he had been given permission to attend Charlie Kirk's funeral.
01:09:23.000And I don't want to talk about any of the politics of it, but the the thought of leaving your team in the middle of a race for any reason other than a family emergency really strikes me as weird.
01:09:37.000He was super super supportive of uh us and uh obviously someone who's really faithful.
01:09:42.000Um so we connected on that front as well.
01:09:45.000Um but yeah, I mean his uh his wife Erica had texted me asking me if I would if I would come to the uh to the funeral.
01:09:53.000And um, you know, I felt as though it was something that was really important for me to do.
01:09:58.000Well, and by the way, throw up two fifty-eight.
01:10:00.000So th I took I literally just put this picture into the chat from my own phone.
01:10:08.000This is probably a month or five weeks ago.
01:10:13.000And this is us on the field at Wrigley and Matt Shaw's right there.
01:10:18.000Matt lives in uh Arizona, and they run into each other in Phoenix.
01:10:24.000And so we're at the the game, and after they won, I would think they won four three that that day.
01:10:30.000We went down to the field and two of the Cubs players, one of which was Matt, came and they took a picture and they chatted and it was it was wonderful, and it was just a really nice moment.
01:10:41.000And actually, when we posted that picture, it got some controversy as well, but you know, it was fine, whatever.
01:10:47.000And and so I I mean I just feel connected personally to this story.
01:10:51.000And you w one one other thing that just you know Matt Shaw did not mention that in that clip, but Charlie was such a huge Cubs fan.
01:11:00.000It's so like he grew up worshiping the Cubs, and that's why I think on many levels he was just so excited to have a relationship with some of the Cubs players.
01:11:14.000Yeah in a long time because again, also people forget this.
01:11:17.000Like Charlie had kept become such a a big personality.
01:11:20.000It's hard for him to go and do fun things.
01:11:24.000Like it really like in in a in many ways, right?
01:11:26.000Like it like how we were telling the story about you guys being out and about in South Korea and like how but him being out there, again, his love for the Cubs and being at games, especially with Erica and family and a lot of those videos that we were just like.
01:11:42.000And he could go to games, like he went to spring training and a few games this year, and like it's just I just I just know he would talk about like he was so excited to look forward so forward to those things.
01:12:44.000This is the murder of someone that a lot of people knew that a lot of people be were they were he was beloved by many.
01:12:51.000I don't know what the word for that is.
01:12:52.000And it's he was a human being that people actually knew in real life.
01:12:57.000It took me a second to like realize, but I started sitting here thinking about it as you were talking to him, and I'm like, the heck, actually.
01:13:06.000Like, who hurt you when you were a little kid that you don't understand, like, yeah, we should actually blow this up a little bit because it's it's shocking.
01:13:13.000No, when you mentioned the Cubs, I didn't realize that's what the audio is the Mets announcer that's the Mets announcer.
01:13:18.000But you said Cub story, and I was like, uh I didn't hear anything about a Cubs story, and then uh that's like that's what it is in the the headline, and I hadn't heard it.
01:13:25.000Imagine it had been before just now MSK or JFK, right?
01:13:29.000Like, MLK and when MLK was assassinated, or George they actually delayed all MLB games for two days.
01:13:45.000And then Roberto's lemente actually had to organize some Pittsburgh players to take a day off the name of the and then sorry, I just got the name of the announcer.
01:14:55.000We're up against the fried mental model that's even being promoted by hopefully a soon-to-be unemployed sports announcer, uh, just a complete douchebag who wants to sit there and say, Oh, that's weird.
01:16:22.000It was gonna become this litmus test on Charlie and the people who like Charlie and all this stuff, but guys like Gary up there, sitting up there, just like guys with Jimmy Kimmel, and I'm gonna say it, Joe Rogan, who I called out yesterday because he was being flippant about it too.
01:18:44.000It's not something to be made light of.
01:18:46.000And it's certainly not weird that people would be grieving.
01:18:50.000Think about what that does to everyone here in this building, beyond Charlie's family and the immediacy, but the people in this building, the people of Turning Point, the turning point kids, that it he's like saying if something happens to you and people care, well, that's weird.
01:19:16.000I mean, I know we got a lot of pet lovers out here, and candidly I wouldn't care, except for friend gets murdered, wife calls and asks you to come.
01:20:30.000Pray, Gary, because something's wrong with you if you've got a problem with somebody going to their friend's funeral that was just murdered in cold blood.
01:20:38.000And by the way, that transformed the shape and trajectory of the history of this country.
01:20:43.000Less than six months ago, Gary skipped a game because his dog died.
01:20:49.000Anyways, I I listen, I I don't know Gary Cohen.
01:20:51.000Maybe he's maybe he's uh nice and this was a bad moment, okay?
01:20:56.000I'm I'm just gonna surmise that my instincts tell me That if you are this much of a dirt bag to say this about somebody just off the cuff that like probably there's something there's something more more uh he could apologize to Erica.
01:21:10.000He could apologize he should put up apologize to Matt Shaw just apologize.
01:22:04.000Blue did used to be cool, and I'm still butthurt to this day that thanks to the 2000 election, we got stuck with blue as the liberal color and red as the conservative color.
01:23:36.000I know you're flooded with chapter requests.
01:23:38.000How can I request to organize a sanctioned home school co-op turning point homeschool co-op use the TP USA community to create a standard curriculum?
01:23:49.000We actually have uh specialty uh activism hubs that we do with homeschool.
01:23:53.000So uh so the homeschool co-op so through TP uh turning point education, uh they actually work with home so school groups directly, so you can go uh just search for turning point education, they will help you with that.
01:24:09.000And then we also have chapters specifically for co-ops.
01:24:13.000So if that's the question, uh you just go right to uh TPUSA students.com and you can start a chapter or a hub for homeschool.
01:24:24.000I actually got something in just now that it's not a rumble rant and I can't say it because I don't know if I have permission to name it, say it, but I'm just gonna say it that there is a person who I guess Charlie So not a Redditor talked to.
01:24:54.000And this person has said that Charlie was a huge motivation and says that they have decided to re-enter the church, except Jesus into their life and will be detransitioning.
01:25:54.000he never existed, but then he says I want to exist and then he exists again and he looks in his pocket and he's got Zuzu's pedals that we're gonna do.
01:27:23.000Um it is it is the second thought crime Thursday that we've done with our fifth member on assignment with God, and he's gonna be on that assignment for a long time.
01:28:40.000There what real quick on the chats though, um, I was I was guesting for Tim Poole a couple of days because he was sick uh before all this happened, and um one of the things that I'd love for this to be, you know, if we could carry on the tradition here as well.
01:28:53.000One of the things that his um subscribers or people do in the chat is they they put in a super chat um or a rumble rant from the delivery room when one of them has a baby or like their spouse has a baby or something.
01:29:08.000Which is like if you get engaged, and it happens like a bunch, but get engaged or have babies, we want to hear from you.
01:29:13.000And I I guess I said three days in a row, and it happened twice with his audience.
01:29:17.000That's that it happened like it in twice in three days, which is like that is an incredible show.
01:29:26.000Celebrate the life-giving things and the things that honor God and I think if anything, it's that we've learned of the last couple of ways days.
01:29:34.000I was talking to Dr. Drew today, and you know, he said the thing there's two there's two big issues, right?
01:29:39.000First is the new normal, and you really do have to deal with the new normal, and that's that's hard.
01:29:44.000Questions, and we all have to deal with that.
01:29:48.000And he said, You gotta lean into grief.
01:29:50.000You can't deny it, you can't squelch it, you gotta accept it and lean into it.
01:29:56.000And I think maybe in a sense, us staying on mission and staying on point is is a way to do that.
01:30:04.000And I love the fact that the show is still going because I'd I don't know if I'd be able to do it without that without all you guys and without everybody being here.
01:30:14.000Yeah it's been nice to to have everybody around the office and around town and it's been a huge huge key part for me I know that so yeah it's not it's not about speeches or followers or or tweets or whatever this it's about just just being with your family being with your people.