The Charlie Kirk Show - September 06, 2025


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Jack and Charlie discuss the new Netflix show Love is Blind and why it should not be called Love is Blind. They also discuss a new virtual reality game that could be the next Call of Duty. The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, this is an evergreen episode of Thought Crime, a best of of some of the previous episodes we've had of some really good stuff, such as my favorite episodes is Lord of the Rings gay, where to find the best burger and more some of the best thought crime debates as both Jack and I are traveling internationally this week, so we were unable to do a live thought crime.
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00:00:33.000 Buckle up everybody.
00:00:34.000 Here we go.
00:00:35.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:37.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
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00:01:19.000 Love is blind.
00:01:22.000 We wanted to reveal.
00:01:23.000 No, I want yeah, no, this is an important one.
00:01:25.000 Yes.
00:01:25.000 So I I've now first of all I have to really plead ignorance.
00:01:28.000 Do people watch this?
00:01:30.000 Millions of people watch it.
00:01:31.000 This is incredibly popular.
00:01:32.000 Goggles on.
00:01:34.000 Oh I don't know about goggles.
00:01:36.000 So why would they not watch it with VR on?
00:01:38.000 Man, VR goggles are expensive, Charlie.
00:01:40.000 So love is not blind.
00:01:41.000 Not everyone took out, not everyone took out people.
00:01:43.000 By the way, imagine the mark.
00:01:44.000 I should they should hire me.
00:01:45.000 They should not, it should not be called Love is Blind.
00:01:47.000 It should be called Love is VR.
00:01:49.000 And they would sell like five million of these things.
00:01:52.000 Okay, so this was well just to remind people he says, hold on.
00:01:57.000 I watched every season except this one, and I repent of my sins.
00:01:59.000 I've never even heard of the show.
00:02:02.000 My wife has been watching this non-stop.
00:02:06.000 I remember it when I was.
00:02:07.000 Is this on Netflix?
00:02:08.000 I believe so, yeah.
00:02:09.000 It's on Netflix.
00:02:10.000 It's on Netflix.
00:02:11.000 What what how does this show work?
00:02:13.000 It I I can explain it.
00:02:14.000 Please.
00:02:15.000 Real simple.
00:02:15.000 You've watched it.
00:02:16.000 You have.
00:02:17.000 And I've I've had to watch it because I'm like sitting there trying to sleep.
00:02:20.000 I had no choice.
00:02:22.000 I'm trying to follow storylines.
00:02:23.000 Try to follow the storylines.
00:02:24.000 I have to admit it.
00:02:25.000 Trash TV is like, you know, it just goes on.
00:02:27.000 We'll get there.
00:02:28.000 We're gonna but you have two people that they are you have a two groups of uh men and a woman, and they're in separate parts of the house, and they have to go into rooms and communicate each other with each other through walls, so they can't see each other.
00:02:43.000 And so they have to pick uh a match based off of their conversations.
00:02:48.000 And so they normally talk to a handful of people before they pick the person.
00:02:52.000 So it's like a death match.
00:02:53.000 Look at this.
00:02:54.000 This looks so dystopian.
00:02:55.000 It's basically like look, it's in an octagon and everything.
00:02:58.000 It's like a sick uh twist on what what was that old show called where it was like match game or whatever or the one that Jeffrey Dahmer went on or whatever.
00:03:08.000 Are we back to the cannibal?
00:03:09.000 No, but he went on this thing.
00:03:11.000 The show is about cannibals you watch. 0.99
00:03:13.000 No, there were this is like a thing.
00:03:14.000 Some maybe it wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer.
00:03:16.000 Maybe it's a lot of people.
00:03:16.000 He's known about the furries.
00:03:17.000 I know that's not about Don.
00:03:19.000 They're going out of the battles.
00:03:21.000 But this happens to be a crossover.
00:03:23.000 It's like one of those sick games where you don't see the person and you have to ask questions, but they do it for like days.
00:03:28.000 Yes.
00:03:29.000 And then they decide to get married right away.
00:03:31.000 So you're in the pod for a long time and you just talk to people.
00:03:34.000 So it's like a telephone call.
00:03:36.000 More or less.
00:03:36.000 Yeah.
00:03:37.000 I think that do they type or no, it's voice.
00:03:39.000 Oh, being love is blind is the idea.
00:03:42.000 Yeah.
00:03:42.000 So the idea is they interact only by voice, and then they can send each other.
00:03:47.000 They can send each other notes and step and gifts.
00:03:50.000 But you like they can't send each other Instagram handles or anything.
00:03:53.000 No, I don't think they I don't think they have phones.
00:03:55.000 I could be wrong.
00:03:56.000 I'm gonna get like blasted by girls. 0.99
00:03:59.000 Okay, so there is a little bit of I've got to give them credit.
00:04:01.000 There's some creativity here.
00:04:02.000 It's not just okay.
00:04:03.000 It's still a complete waste of time, but we're getting closer to some redemptive value.
00:04:08.000 It's interesting for the viewer, because you can always tell when somebody's not gonna be a good match, but they think they're a good match.
00:04:14.000 So like and then you waste 45 minutes watching.
00:04:16.000 And then they're like, oh, yeah, and then you're like, you're like, oh, I can't wait for them to meet because they're gonna hate each other when they meet.
00:04:22.000 Okay, can I cut of course love's not blind?
00:04:24.000 Who came up with this stupid idea?
00:04:25.000 Yeah, it's extremely dumb.
00:04:26.000 Okay, but it's like it's it anyway.
00:04:28.000 Okay, so I feel it's important to remind people.
00:04:30.000 Say St. Paul said you should only get married if you have like the overwhelming hops for somebody.
00:04:34.000 This last season, There was a Solomon.
00:04:36.000 It's better to marry than to burn.
00:04:37.000 There was a guy who like look, you know, you just knew he wasn't gonna like the girl, and then he saw the girl.
00:04:42.000 He's like, he's he's just trying to get out of it then because he like committed to marrying her.
00:04:46.000 And so after he saw her, he's like, you could just tell.
00:04:48.000 He's like trying to find a way, but he spent like five episodes trying to get out of it.
00:04:53.000 Yeah.
00:04:53.000 Okay, so so expose so they they they talk and then they commit to marriage, yeah, marriage without seeing the other one.
00:05:02.000 Yes, yeah.
00:05:04.000 Oh yeah.
00:05:05.000 So what happens if she's like a horse? 1.00
00:05:07.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:05:08.000 The guy showed up, and he's like, I don't know if I really uh like below my standards, and then he's trying to get out of it from that point.
00:05:14.000 Okay, because then they have to go live together.
00:05:16.000 This is incredible.
00:05:16.000 So Daisy just sent this to me.
00:05:18.000 I just want to read it quick.
00:05:19.000 They aren't supposed to talk about appearance, but one season a guy asked a girl, if hypothetically we met at a music festival, would I be able to put you on my shoulders easily?
00:05:29.000 That was smart.
00:05:29.000 That was smart enough.
00:05:30.000 Very, but you can't ask height or weight.
00:05:32.000 You're not supposed to ask about or like race either, I think.
00:05:34.000 No, you have to you have to guess by their intonation.
00:05:37.000 Got it.
00:05:38.000 So they're nasal.
00:05:39.000 So let me understand.
00:05:40.000 So then the the moment that we saw that went viral with liberal Becky.
00:05:47.000 Yeah, was they never saw each other before that moment.
00:05:51.000 Do they do they only meet at the altar?
00:05:53.000 Or do they they meet in like the days of the city?
00:05:55.000 Is there a pre-meeting time there's like a room?
00:05:57.000 Daisy says no, wrong.
00:05:58.000 There's a room because she says I'm typing.
00:06:00.000 Oh, so they meet one time before there's a room where they meet, and I think they can propose at that exact moment.
00:06:06.000 They can meet if they get engaged.
00:06:08.000 Yeah, they don't have to get engaged.
00:06:09.000 I think they just have to keep so the engagement allows them to meet the person they're going to marry.
00:06:14.000 Do some people call off the engagement after they meet them.
00:06:17.000 Oh, yeah.
00:06:18.000 Probably a majority.
00:06:19.000 And then they go on a trip together for a week or so.
00:06:21.000 Yeah, and they have to like live together, which is yeah, also of course.
00:06:25.000 Yeah.
00:06:25.000 So then they basically live together for a few weeks.
00:06:28.000 Okay, so then what we saw, and then um they they they date in person for six weeks until they get married.
00:06:34.000 I just read that, Andrew.
00:06:35.000 Daisy's Daisy is the uh pop culture person. 1.00
00:06:39.000 So then at the altar they decide what they just they're gonna get married if they gotta go.
00:06:44.000 Let me understand this.
00:06:44.000 So in this clip, before we get into clip, these two people invited their entire families on camera to like have this public humiliation ritual based on something that might not happen.
00:06:55.000 I think they all have they're sick.
00:06:56.000 I think they all have to meet the families.
00:06:58.000 No, but like they invite him to the wedding.
00:07:00.000 It may or may not happen.
00:07:01.000 Yeah, and all these people are like, yeah, we might be on camera and in front of like a hundred million people.
00:07:06.000 Well, a lot of these families meet them beforehand, so like during the time that they're hanging out before they get married, like some of the families get like overly involved.
00:07:15.000 So, like really know a lot about them.
00:07:17.000 A sibling will like, hey, I know this one specific couple because it was hilarious watching this guy see this girl, and you could tell like he was really into her, really into her, and they met, and then he's like, Oh, that's not my own.
00:07:29.000 I'm gonna make people still watch TV.
00:07:32.000 The big the big picture here, which has to be brought up is our people who watch reality TV humans.
00:07:39.000 It's trash TV.
00:07:40.000 This is 100%.
00:07:42.000 We gotta get to the because we're we're crescendoing to the clip.
00:07:45.000 Okay.
00:07:45.000 We're we're building.
00:07:46.000 It's like it's like this is we're it's an orchestra, okay?
00:07:48.000 Bum bum bum bum bum. 0.99
00:07:50.000 Like it's you were we're building, okay.
00:07:51.000 Okay, okay.
00:07:52.000 Like we're flying down the trench towards I guarantee you most of our audience have never heard of this stupid thing before.
00:07:56.000 Okay, I guarantee you they have.
00:07:58.000 Hey, a lot of our audience has taken Hillsdale online courses, okay?
00:08:01.000 We have an enlightened little remnant of American society.
00:08:05.000 They're just gonna read classic literature, pray the rosary.
00:08:07.000 I'm telling you right now, a little remnant.
00:08:09.000 There they're studying Aristotle when half of the other audiences all right.
00:08:13.000 All right, tell us chat.
00:08:15.000 Have you watched Love is Blind or at least heard if you've ever heard of the show, email me, Freedom at Charliekirk.com.
00:08:21.000 Can I just like oh my gosh?
00:08:22.000 And if so, you should be taxed.
00:08:24.000 You're gonna have somebody guys who are like, never no, I have it.
00:08:27.000 No, but I want to make a a pitch though to defend the people who have, including myself.
00:08:33.000 That have gone on the show or no, there's just not very much good TV left.
00:08:36.000 Like Netflix is a barren away.
00:08:38.000 So this is great.
00:08:39.000 Uh so we turn to this because it's awesome.
00:08:41.000 No, there's cheap.
00:08:42.000 They just all they do is cheap stuff on Netflix then.
00:08:44.000 I use Netflix.
00:08:45.000 I used it for one thing, and then it got unuseful for Seinfeld Seinfeld reruns.
00:08:49.000 Yeah, and then they got I think they still have it.
00:08:51.000 I I bought them all during COVID.
00:08:52.000 I was like, I gotta watch them.
00:08:54.000 Hulu has Frasier now.
00:08:56.000 Oh yeah.
00:08:56.000 So I got Hulu for Fraser and Seinfeld for Netflix, and everything else is on Netflix.
00:09:01.000 Can we just pause how awful Netflix has become the last five years?
00:09:05.000 It's not you guys should cancel the subscription if you're watching this crap.
00:09:08.000 It's such a waste of you, canceled.
00:09:10.000 There's no I I think fine, and I like Seinfeld for me.
00:09:14.000 By the way, I don't I don't want people to complain left their financial situation, which I'm not.
00:09:18.000 I'm very blessed if you were paying for Netflix.
00:09:21.000 I don't pay for a single subscription service.
00:09:23.000 For the record, I also used it to watch the Thanksgiving football game, of which they did a terrible job promoting.
00:09:29.000 There is no way you don't have a single subscription.
00:09:31.000 I mean, well, I mean, I have like my power bill, but like I don't have a streaming service.
00:09:36.000 It's not a subscription.
00:09:37.000 I don't have I don't have a sp I don't have Spotify.
00:09:40.000 You do not have a single subscription.
00:09:43.000 Like what?
00:09:43.000 Like power bill is not a subscription.
00:09:46.000 I'm gonna make you download whatever that app is.
00:09:49.000 Like we no free ads here for that.
00:09:51.000 Uh no, like what I don't have I don't have Amazon Netflix now.
00:09:54.000 I don't have Amazon Prime.
00:09:55.000 There's an app that looks up all your subscriptions.
00:09:57.000 You hook up to your biggest.
00:09:59.000 I don't have all of these.
00:10:01.000 Uh I'm like I am.
00:10:02.000 I don't have any TV.
00:10:04.000 I have a million stuff.
00:10:05.000 I don't have like I got I don't have Microsoft, I got Foo Boo.
00:10:08.000 I don't have Microsoft gaming.
00:10:09.000 I don't have any other video game work.
00:10:13.000 I got YouTube TV.
00:10:14.000 I've made a bunch of people a lot of money.
00:10:16.000 I don't have like I'm not in like Dollar Shave Club or whatever that stuff is where they like send you a razor every month.
00:10:21.000 Um, I've got like Amazon Kindle.
00:10:24.000 I'm not on I don't have Kindle, I don't have Audible.
00:10:26.000 Brooks is on Xbox.
00:10:29.000 I've got Sirius XM.
00:10:31.000 I'm with Andrew.
00:10:31.000 I hate not wanting to watch a sporting event and not having it.
00:10:34.000 I and then that that's why I peacock. 0.90
00:10:37.000 I get these emails from Peacock.
00:10:38.000 I don't care about Peacock, but the Peacock takes the big 10, which is now Oregon.
00:10:41.000 It's a whole thing's all prime V. I will I will say Prime Video is good.
00:10:46.000 I agree.
00:10:46.000 Prime is great.
00:10:47.000 You know why I like Prime?
00:10:48.000 I could purchase movies I want to watch.
00:10:50.000 Yeah.
00:10:50.000 And you keep it forever.
00:10:51.000 The best of all is YouTube TV.
00:10:52.000 YouTube T D is the best.
00:10:53.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:10:54.000 Subjectively the best.
00:10:55.000 For live TV, it has great coverage.
00:10:57.000 Okay, so back to the love is blind.
00:10:58.000 I can't believe you don't have a subscription.
00:11:00.000 I don't think it's you don't have a magazine subscription.
00:11:03.000 That's like cannibals. 1.00
00:11:06.000 Are you a cannibal?
00:11:07.000 I and like I'm not subscribed to like any like online websites, which is why I always have to figure out how to get around people's paywalls.
00:11:12.000 Why do you even have an email?
00:11:14.000 Not gaming.
00:11:14.000 What?
00:11:14.000 What if you have an email that just watched it?
00:11:17.000 That's a subscription.
00:11:18.000 That's not a that no, it's not it's free.
00:11:20.000 That's free.
00:11:21.000 Do you have TSA Pre?
00:11:22.000 Nope.
00:11:23.000 Why would I need TSA pre-check?
00:11:24.000 That one will I almost got him.
00:11:26.000 That one is a subscription.
00:11:27.000 Almost no, I'm just I don't.
00:11:29.000 What about Uber Plus?
00:11:30.000 No.
00:11:31.000 Uber eats.
00:11:31.000 I take Uber like only for turning point times where I have to fly and get to the airport.
00:11:34.000 Like that's it.
00:11:35.000 Uber eats.
00:11:36.000 I d I don't think I've had, I don't think I've gotten a meal delivered by Uber Eats or Doordash since I came to Arizona.
00:11:43.000 Like after two years.
00:11:44.000 Like has turning point eats.
00:11:45.000 It's a lot better.
00:11:46.000 Yeah, it's way better.
00:11:46.000 This way better.
00:11:47.000 Crazy.
00:11:48.000 I can't believe this.
00:11:48.000 This is this is how this is how one amasses capital as a millennial.
00:11:52.000 They avoid the eight million different millennial like consumption taxes.
00:11:56.000 All right.
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00:12:59.000 So speaking of the show, I'm trying to say.
00:13:02.000 So then let's play this piece of tape.
00:13:03.000 So let me understand.
00:13:04.000 So the all culminates with liberal woman and beta male dude kinda on the altar in this incredibly viral clip.
00:13:15.000 Let's play the longer clip and keep all of us live, guys.
00:13:17.000 Let's play it.
00:13:19.000 I love you so much.
00:13:22.000 But I've always wanted a partner to be on the same wavelength.
00:13:30.000 And so today I can't.
00:13:35.000 I love you so much.
00:13:36.000 I don't know if we want to stay with you and keep growing our relationship.
00:13:40.000 If you allow me.
00:13:42.000 We'll see.
00:13:45.000 All of America.
00:13:46.000 No, no, no.
00:13:46.000 We gotta keep playing it.
00:13:47.000 No, no, that's not even the case.
00:13:48.000 There's a couple more clips, yeah.
00:13:49.000 By the way, I would have told her to get out of here and cash my check from Love is Blind and go away. 1.00
00:13:54.000 All of America lost total respect for this dude.
00:13:56.000 He just looked like such a apparently they continue to date for weeks after this.
00:14:00.000 Even like she was like, I can't get married now.
00:14:02.000 But like they kept dating, which Daisy informs us of because she's a watcher of Love is Blind.
00:14:08.000 Okay, do we have the kicker where she's sitting around her liberal relatives in the car? 1.00
00:14:13.000 Yeah.
00:14:13.000 So they asked him to like what his church's views are, and he said he didn't know.
00:14:21.000 And so then I watched a sermon online from his church about yeah, sexual identity.
00:14:29.000 And it was traditional.
00:14:31.000 I told that to my god then.
00:14:34.000 And doesn't really have much to say about it, you know.
00:14:38.000 And I want them to think about that stuff.
00:14:40.000 Sometimes I did wonder if it was surface fun, carefree love that we had, equality, religion, um the vaccine.
00:14:52.000 The vaccine.
00:14:54.000 The vaccine.
00:14:55.000 Of course, the vaccine.
00:14:56.000 So I've commented on this extensively.
00:14:59.000 The guy is at fault here for A not standing up for himself, B not leaving her.
00:15:04.000 Jack, I know you're an avid love is blind fan.
00:15:07.000 What is your your take on that episode?
00:15:12.000 Yeah, no, I mean, look.
00:15:14.000 This this is kind of goes back to, you know, funny enough, like it goes back to what I was saying in the other segment where we've just got too many people in this country that have this fried mental model that are like over-socialized.
00:15:26.000 Uh people are way too invested in politics into their personal lives.
00:15:31.000 Uh, they they bring these things out and they bring these things up as if it's some kind of like deep-seated um commitment to them.
00:15:38.000 And and and look, you know, I I certainly want you know, people to understand what's going on in their country, but the idea that you're gonna run your entire life over what someone's views on like ELM are or some you know, some kind of like and if you're you're just like some normie, like that's that's not actually a good situation for the country, right?
00:15:58.000 Like, we don't want to be so overpoliticized.
00:16:00.000 We want people to be getting married and having kids and sort of going on about their life and they're having their quality of life be, you know, somewhat stable and living in a a system that's somewhat stable.
00:16:10.000 So the fact that the fact that politics in general is so mainstreamed is it just kind of shows how bad things have gotten up into this point, you know, up through tw the 2024 moment, the 2020 moment, obviously.
00:16:23.000 Because in in a stable society, you know, dude, people are just kind of going about their lives, and you're not going to be mixing politics with like a dating show.
00:16:32.000 Go back to uh what was the old um oh my gosh, the dating show on MTV uh back in the day, like the original dating show of the one that Sean Duffy was on?
00:16:41.000 Singled out, thank you, singled out, so five got me in the chat.
00:16:45.000 Um, and like you would never ever hear anyone talk about politics on a dating show in the 90s.
00:16:51.000 It literally didn't exist.
00:16:52.000 It's like what music do you listen to?
00:16:54.000 What movies do you like?
00:16:56.000 That's awesome, you know, and just just not a thing.
00:17:00.000 Yeah, and uh yeah, everyone's chatting that uh uh Sean Duffy and his wife actually met on The Real World, which was the original uh reality TV show, uh Rachel Compostuffy and their incredible family and obviously incredible relationship.
00:17:13.000 Um, that actually started on another reality show also on MTV called The Real World.
00:17:18.000 And the real world did start to edge into the political and religious stuff, but not so.
00:17:23.000 That was like the whole point, I think.
00:17:24.000 Because like the idea was they try to put like a bunch of people who are different, because like Sean Duffy's season, I don't know, I just cause I looked him up once was like he had they had a person in their house like who because Sean Duffy was like conservative at the time, yeah.
00:17:36.000 And then like they had a person who was like had AIDS, so he was like, you know, because this is the early 90s, and so that was much more taboo then.
00:17:43.000 But Jack's right, like the old dating shows were so much more like fluffy and just fun and stupid, right?
00:17:49.000 And like just like you never would get that deep.
00:17:52.000 That wasn't the point.
00:17:53.000 It was like that was it.
00:17:54.000 The real world was the first real like real reality show.
00:17:58.000 Which really goes at the truth of this, which is the cosmic thing that's important, which is one reality TV is actually fake, and two, people who watch reality TV should not be allowed to vote.
00:18:10.000 Sorry, Tyler.
00:18:11.000 Um we're we're revoking it.
00:18:14.000 Like I I am on not that I I don't watch reality TV, yet I will continue my jihad against reality TV.
00:18:21.000 There's no reality TV that that like is okay to you.
00:18:25.000 A decade ago I watched a few episodes of Bar Rescue because I kind of enjoyed the part where he would explain like how to run a bar correctly, like the business side of it was cool.
00:18:34.000 But then I realized it was all fake because I saw a preview for an episode, and they were like, this bar is out of control.
00:18:40.000 And the owner was like a clearly staged shot.
00:18:43.000 I like it.
00:18:44.000 Where like he just sla like she's like, Why are you carrying it that way? 1.00
00:18:47.000 And he slaps like a tray out of someone's hand.
00:18:51.000 I think the survival shows are fun, but I mean I'm trying to think of the last reality TV show I've watched.
00:18:57.000 Is American Idol reality TV?
00:18:59.000 I feel like that's a considerate.
00:19:00.000 So I would say no.
00:19:01.000 I would say no.
00:19:02.000 I don't even think The Apprentice is a reality TV.
00:19:04.000 I disagree.
00:19:06.000 Because it's it's like a con it's a contest.
00:19:08.000 American Idol for four or five seasons was like game shows right now reality.
00:19:12.000 Yeah.
00:19:13.000 American Idol was a good show the first five seasons.
00:19:15.000 Well, I think it was a great show.
00:19:16.000 I think American Idol is cool because we also had some from our high school win.
00:19:19.000 So that was Yeah, you actually had to like achieve something.
00:19:22.000 Yeah, we had someone from our high school literally win.
00:19:24.000 It's amazing.
00:19:25.000 Yeah, what's her face?
00:19:26.000 I was here in Arizona.
00:19:27.000 Haley Reinhardt uh was her name.
00:19:28.000 Oh, yeah.
00:19:28.000 Denny Wright says that I am a TV snob, and they are correct.
00:19:31.000 Although Sno Snob is almost uh overselling.
00:19:35.000 I just don't watch TV.
00:19:36.000 I think the I like I like, even though it's a little bit fake too, is uh like naked and afraid and those ones like the survival.
00:19:43.000 There's survival.
00:19:44.000 It's it's cool to watch.
00:19:45.000 What is it?
00:19:46.000 I mean, are they gonna die?
00:19:47.000 There's a cameraman next to them, they're not gonna let them die.
00:19:50.000 Like, whoa, wow.
00:19:51.000 But they do lose a lot of weight.
00:19:53.000 Like that should be like today's fat camp.
00:19:55.000 That would be cool.
00:19:56.000 Like, yeah, no.
00:19:57.000 Angelo likes the gold mining reality shows.
00:19:59.000 What are these shows?
00:20:00.000 I never want to.
00:20:00.000 Oh, yeah, there's like ice pickers.
00:20:01.000 Those are really bad.
00:20:02.000 I'm sorry, Angela.
00:20:03.000 We're gonna shame you.
00:20:03.000 Like, those are the ones on the history channel where they would ice road truckers.
00:20:07.000 Ice road truckers. 0.78
00:20:08.000 Well, what's so dumb with Ice Road Truckers is the entire conceit of Ice Road Truckers is like, this is a super dangerous job.
00:20:13.000 And like the only reason to watch is in theory the ice could break and they would like die, but that never happens.
00:20:21.000 So what's the point of all?
00:20:24.000 Andrew says this, Blake, you play more video games than I watch TV, which is worse.
00:20:28.000 Uh one, I don't think that's actually true.
00:20:31.000 And two, like, who cares?
00:20:34.000 Actually, probably watching TV is worse.
00:20:36.000 Like I actually think watching TV could be worse.
00:20:38.000 Yeah, like you're just literally just there in the larger passive observer.
00:20:42.000 I think they're both irredeemable.
00:20:43.000 But I what I will say is the uh I think the CDC or whoever, when they were doing one of their obesity warnings, they were commenting on how much TV is America TV Americans watched, and they were like suggesting you should be more active.
00:20:57.000 And one of their ways to suggest being more active for the like the truly hopeless watch 40 hours of TV a week was try playing video games instead because you at least like move your hands.
00:21:08.000 I I have a different take.
00:21:09.000 I think video games are worse because I think veg out TV, like when you're going to sleep or whatever, I think a lot of people do, that doesn't take away as much.
00:21:18.000 Other than your sleep, which is health concerned.
00:21:20.000 Yeah, video games can have a ramp up.
00:21:22.000 Video games, you have to like go remove yourself from reality, sit in a box and be there.
00:21:28.000 And then the other thing with video games is this is like it's so lonely.
00:21:31.000 Do you play computer games or do you play like console video games?
00:21:34.000 I play some console games, not super often.
00:21:35.000 What?
00:21:35.000 Like what?
00:21:36.000 Is Xbox still around?
00:21:37.000 It's still around.
00:21:38.000 I don't own one.
00:21:38.000 No, no, I own a PlayStation still around.
00:21:41.000 What do you play?
00:21:41.000 So when kids say they play video games, what what do they play?
00:21:44.000 Oh, that would vary a ton.
00:21:45.000 I mean, what's the most popular today?
00:21:47.000 Fortnite, probably, or what console is that in?
00:21:50.000 Those are on everything.
00:21:52.000 Nowadays, like the big thing today is every game is on every system.
00:21:54.000 I play with bro.
00:21:56.000 Oh, because I grew up in a world where Halo was only on Xbox.
00:21:59.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:21:59.000 That's not only Nintendo games are like that.
00:22:01.000 And then I turned 18.
00:22:01.000 I was like, this is a waste of time and go build something.
00:22:03.000 Yeah, well, Halo is still only on Xbox.
00:22:05.000 But really, so if that's not a PlayStation, no, that's isn't that on PC now?
00:22:08.000 No.
00:22:08.000 Well, maybe on PC.
00:22:10.000 It's on PC.
00:22:10.000 So not everything's on everything.
00:22:12.000 But can we play the Halo music?
00:22:13.000 It's really good.
00:22:14.000 Keep going.
00:22:14.000 Well, and the guys explained.
00:22:15.000 Oh, I never played well.
00:22:18.000 I haven't played it in a lot of 13 years.
00:22:20.000 We played Halo like it was our day job in high school.
00:22:23.000 That's like how we played.
00:22:24.000 So is Call of Duty still around?
00:22:25.000 Call of Duty.
00:22:25.000 So I'll play Call of Duty with Brooks.
00:22:27.000 So I play Call of Duty and uh I'm I'm bad, but there's some fun games on there.
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00:23:40.000 Yeah, there's some there's so many now, and like uh a lot of them like I will deliberately avoid because they can be such an addictive time sync.
00:23:48.000 Like they'll play they play those like paradox strategy games where you're just like conquering the world and people will play like five thousand hours of that.
00:23:55.000 I'll play with Brooks, uh like Madden or a hockey game because it it's a it's like 15 minutes, you sit down, you play a game, and you're out.
00:24:04.000 That's not Halo.
00:24:04.000 This is not Halo.
00:24:05.000 What is this?
00:24:11.000 Yeah, the Halo.
00:24:12.000 Yeah, seriously.
00:24:12.000 I know that's the right.
00:24:13.000 By the way, the guy that wrote the Halo songs like a winger.
00:24:15.000 We talked about that once here on this program.
00:24:17.000 He didn't vegan.
00:24:19.000 No, in like fourth place.
00:24:20.000 The original Halo song.
00:24:23.000 Exactly right.
00:24:24.000 Okay, so what we're in chant.
00:24:27.000 Martin O'Donnell, Mar Marty O'Donnell, he came in like 30 years.
00:24:33.000 Trump's Republican, by the way.
00:24:35.000 He's in Vegas.
00:24:36.000 See, no, that this is this is good music.
00:24:39.000 This then you know what you know why this is good music?
00:24:42.000 It feels like you're on a home screen.
00:24:43.000 Oh my gosh.
00:24:44.000 It feels as if you're going through settings and you know it it has that kind of aura.
00:24:49.000 We we used to play all night long in my in my parents' basement.
00:24:53.000 We would we would completely sink up sync up Xboxes and we would play, you know, whatever that what was that map?
00:25:00.000 Blood Gulch and trying to think of the other one.
00:25:03.000 There was like Misty Mountain or something.
00:25:05.000 Oh man.
00:25:06.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:25:06.000 I remember that one.
00:25:07.000 We played there was one called Damnation that we played.
00:25:10.000 I gotta look at that.
00:25:10.000 That was incredible.
00:25:11.000 We played Capture the Flag.
00:25:16.000 I do still play.
00:25:16.000 I'm gonna tell you right now, which is still awesome.
00:25:18.000 I'm gonna tell you right now, because they released Battle Creek.
00:25:20.000 Battle Creek, yeah, Battle Creek.
00:25:21.000 There was the big one too.
00:25:22.000 Oh, hang them high was good.
00:25:24.000 Hang them high was good.
00:25:25.000 But there was this one game, this map you can play on the new Halo because they have it, and they just revamped and read it all the up uh the originals.
00:25:32.000 Damn Nation, one flag, capture the flag.
00:25:35.000 Okay, so what is Roblox?
00:25:38.000 Roblox should be I think it's like a platform, so like people can make games in it.
00:25:45.000 Uh is that on Xbox?
00:25:47.000 I think that's again, it's on like everything.
00:25:49.000 That's uh a lot of kids get really into Roblox.
00:25:51.000 So what what is the purpose of Fortnite?
00:25:52.000 What what is what is the what is the thesis?
00:25:55.000 Fortnite, the gimmick of it was it popularized, they call them battle royales.
00:26:00.000 And so the idea was a hundred people would be in a game at once.
00:26:02.000 So that's like the legal thing.
00:26:05.000 No, that's World of Warcraft.
00:26:06.000 So this is like a hundred people would be in a game at once, which is way more.
00:26:09.000 Like, you know, Halo, you could be like four v4 at best, but this was you can have a hundred people, and it's called a battle royale, so they go to only one is left.
00:26:16.000 Um it has other game modes they've added over time too.
00:26:20.000 I know what makes it popular is like you can be like any character in it at this point.
00:26:24.000 So like you can be Spider-Man, you can be Mario, you can be like there's a million different characters that you can be.
00:26:30.000 Well, and now Call of Duty's doing that.
00:26:32.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:26:33.000 So Call of Duty now, I you can be a ninja turtle.
00:26:35.000 Yeah.
00:26:36.000 Great.
00:26:37.000 I just okay.
00:26:38.000 So Call of Duty.
00:26:39.000 That's crazy.
00:26:40.000 So basically, my takeaway is that nothing has really changed.
00:26:46.000 The same games are still basically the same popular games.
00:26:48.000 Yeah, but they're really nice now.
00:26:50.000 Dude, well, Charlie, I I completely agree with you.
00:26:53.000 Oh, okay.
00:26:54.000 I've made the same job.
00:26:55.000 No, I again I I'm not please check.
00:26:57.000 Uh re affirm me, because I am a I'm a stranger in the wilderness.
00:27:01.000 So My kids, um, you know, my kids are kind of at the age where they're starting to like to get, you know, like video game curious.
00:27:08.000 Uh we don't have games in the house, but they'll like you know, we we have like uh like a small one of those smart TVs, and so they could see they could see kind of like you know, videos of people playing games, or they'll they'll go through the store and look at games and you look at stuff and you're like, okay, Minecraft is just uh a ripoff of Legos in 3D, Roblox is just a rip-off of Minecraft.
00:27:29.000 Uh there's another one, uh actually Cernovich was telling me about it the other day that his kids are into, and I looked into it and I'm like, this is just a rip-off of all the same games again.
00:27:39.000 And then when you go and look at like the actual popular non-sort of like building things games, it's literally all the same characters that were popular in like the late 80s, early 90s.
00:27:51.000 It's like here's another Mario, here's another Sonic, here's another Ninja Turtles, and on and on and on.
00:27:58.000 And it's like the one uh I'll I'll throw it out.
00:28:01.000 Like the one that the only one that I've heard that's like kind of new is Five Nights at Freddy's, which I'm not even gonna get into right now, but like the vast majority of games that you go out and see right now, like just you know, walking through the aisle looking, I'm like, wait a minute, these are all the exact same games and characters that were around like 30 years ago.
00:28:20.000 What about the old but the only like we they brought up?
00:28:23.000 The battle royale thing did change everything, but it other than that, there was like no changes.
00:28:27.000 So but let me list it up.
00:28:28.000 Okay, so the most popular games of 2025, Call of Duty.
00:28:31.000 I had that, and then I grew up.
00:28:34.000 Madden had that Final Fantasy 8 rebirth, which existed.
00:28:39.000 Uh EA Sports FC 25, which I'm guessing is soccer.
00:28:43.000 Yeah, and then Minecraft.
00:28:45.000 Literally nothing has and then Grand Theft Auto is the w the so Grant GTA was huge when I was growing up.
00:28:50.000 So that's still no Grand Theft Auto 5 is the most successful entertainment property of any kind of all time.
00:28:57.000 Well, it says Tetris is more popular.
00:28:59.000 No, they're they're wrong.
00:29:00.000 Uh GTA 5 has sold like I think over 100 million copies.
00:29:05.000 This is 200 million here, but yeah, 200 million, yeah.
00:29:07.000 There's a new Grand Theft Auto coming out too that everybody's looking forward to.
00:29:10.000 One thing that's wild with this is it take one reason it's all the same old stuff is it takes them like you know how we can't do anything in America anymore because it costs 15 times as much as it used to?
00:29:19.000 Same thing with video games.
00:29:20.000 So you used to make a Mario game with a team of 20 people and it took a lot of things.
00:29:23.000 Which one was Grand Theft Auto 5?
00:29:25.000 Was that LA?
00:29:26.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:29:26.000 Or they they don't call it LA, but it was like San Andreas, a lot of Los Santos.
00:29:30.000 Los Santos in the state of San Andreas.
00:29:32.000 So they have not done a new Grand Theft Auto in 12 years.
00:29:34.000 It's been a long time.
00:29:35.000 And like it used to be.
00:29:36.000 So let me ask you have the graphics gotten better in 12 years?
00:29:40.000 Uh they don't they look the same.
00:29:42.000 A bit, but it slowed down a lot.
00:29:44.000 Like it used to be you'd really could tell, you know, it goes 2D, yeah.
00:29:47.000 Look, the the shadow dimensions and stuff looks largely the same.
00:29:50.000 I mean, even most games that come out today, like on Place they're on PlayStation 5 now.
00:29:55.000 Most games that come out on PlayStation 5 will also still have a PlayStation 4 version.
00:29:58.000 Well it's just slightly not as good.
00:30:00.000 I don't know.
00:30:00.000 Call of Duty looks a lot better than it was a few years ago.
00:30:03.000 I wouldn't know.
00:30:04.000 But I'll I'll tell you this.
00:30:06.000 Red Dead Redemption, is that the is that Red Dead Redemption 2?
00:30:09.000 That came out like a decade ago.
00:30:10.000 That came out a while ago, but that is a fun game.
00:30:13.000 That's like Grand Theft Auto, but it's in the wild west.
00:30:15.000 You're on a horse.
00:30:16.000 Yeah, on a horse.
00:30:17.000 That's actually fun.
00:30:18.000 Like Brooks was playing that for a little bit.
00:30:20.000 You can just mess around and just like hijack horses and stuff like that.
00:30:23.000 So the video game I went all in on was Star Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic.
00:30:27.000 Uh anyone else know that?
00:30:29.000 Yes.
00:30:29.000 I remember that.
00:30:30.000 Yeah, that was a guitar?
00:30:32.000 Yes.
00:30:32.000 At the time, wasn't that the most expensive?
00:30:34.000 Were you light side or dark side?
00:30:35.000 Wait, Charlie, you were a Kotar guy? 0.99
00:30:37.000 Wait, one or two.
00:30:38.000 Uh I think one.
00:30:40.000 Uh yeah.
00:30:40.000 Okay, no, I tried two and I hated it.
00:30:42.000 It was definitely one.
00:30:43.000 It was definitely one.
00:30:44.000 Two was like rushed.
00:30:45.000 One did really well, and then two was like super rushed.
00:30:47.000 So it was like kind of unfinished, and they used a different um like developer.
00:30:51.000 So hold on.
00:30:52.000 It was it was it was called a massively multiplayer online role-playing series.
00:30:58.000 Well, what what was it?
00:30:59.000 It was the Koto or was just a R. I know I never played the online.
00:31:02.000 What is an RPG role playing?
00:31:04.000 RBG is role-playing games, which means you could have different directions.
00:31:07.000 Yeah, and like you level up your character, that you adjust their status.
00:31:09.000 No, but there's different paths that yeah, exactly.
00:31:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:31:12.000 And then MMORPG, massively multiplayer online role playing games when there's hundreds of people, thousands of people on the street.
00:31:19.000 But yes, I uh I took the dark side.
00:31:21.000 I think I think Knights of the Old Republic.
00:31:23.000 I think that was like the most expensive game ever made when they made it.
00:31:26.000 It was like a supposed to be like you might be thinking of the old republic with just the old republic, which was that was an MMORPG that they made.
00:31:33.000 The old Republic was the was the online one.
00:31:36.000 The Tortanic, they called it.
00:31:37.000 Hold on, wait, wait, wait what would maybe I'm confused.
00:31:39.000 Which one is which?
00:31:40.000 So Knights of the Old Republic was your one player, it has a story and everything.
00:31:44.000 Yeah, that was and then there was one called just the old republic.
00:31:47.000 No, I didn't do that.
00:31:48.000 came out a decade later and was like massively hyped and we won't go into that.
00:31:51.000 So Night's Evil Republic came out in 2003 and I'm looking at images of it.
00:31:54.000 It looks as good as video games today.
00:31:56.000 That is not true.
00:31:57.000 I think I'm sorry, I'm just looking at the image.
00:31:59.000 I think they're on VR.
00:32:01.000 I think they've made this this that game on VR like a maybe a cheaper version of it.
00:32:05.000 That was an objectively good video game.
00:32:07.000 It was good, but it it does not look like what they're putting out today.
00:32:10.000 I will I will contest that one.
00:32:12.000 Like the last big leap, I would say, like, is probably about 10 years ago.
00:32:17.000 And then since then, yeah, they improved, but it's on the margins, and they're like, Oh, you need to have a 4K TV to see this.
00:32:24.000 Yeah.
00:32:25.000 I I've always wanted so one of the the games, so the games within the games, like on Call of Duty.
00:32:32.000 If you've never played this, this is the only time I've sat and played something by myself, and it was with my son with Brooks.
00:32:40.000 Is the zombies thing?
00:32:41.000 That is like actually creepy.
00:32:43.000 Like it gets to different points where if like you're in a dark room and all that stuff, it like creeps you out while you're doing it.
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00:33:49.000 I watched Lord of the Rings this weekend, and Tyler ruined it for me.
00:33:52.000 I have to just be honest.
00:33:54.000 You agree with them now?
00:33:55.000 Frodo and you gave in to this.
00:33:57.000 No, I don't.
00:33:57.000 You see it.
00:33:58.000 You see it.
00:33:59.000 I don't agree.
00:34:00.000 I'm saying that he ruined it to be.
00:34:02.000 It's just I I always used to look at it as you know, brotherly love, and then Frodo and Sam.
00:34:08.000 There's some very long gazes.
00:34:09.000 It's it's it's broaderly love.
00:34:12.000 You guys I don't want to say Tyler's on the something, but like to the propaganda.
00:34:15.000 No, no, no.
00:34:16.000 The propaganda wants you to find out time.
00:34:19.000 Tyler Tyler gets in your head about this, and then all of a sudden you can't unsee it.
00:34:23.000 I'm not even saying it's right.
00:34:24.000 I'm saying you kind of infer it.
00:34:27.000 And geez, Frodo doesn't look at women that way.
00:34:31.000 This is Peter Jackson's uh the woman in the woods that way, doesn't look at Live Tyler that way.
00:34:37.000 That's right.
00:34:39.000 I think I think you can infer that Frodo knew.
00:34:41.000 And then you really start wondering like Mary, Pippin, Sam and Frodo are all sharing a room, and you really start thinking about things you shouldn't be thinking about.
00:34:50.000 This is like a three-week log like conversation we've had.
00:34:53.000 And it's gonna keep going until I win this conversation.
00:34:56.000 And you gotta wonder like what are they actually doing in Rivendell?
00:34:59.000 What are they really doing in Rivendell?
00:35:01.000 Because you look at it through kind of a modern woke lens, and I got it's I'm not saying Tyler's right, but it it half ruined the movie for me.
00:35:10.000 Do we not ribbendale?
00:35:11.000 Is there singing?
00:35:12.000 Why is Gandalf going down there like a weirdos?
00:35:15.000 It's like playing music and they're singing their elfish songs in their elfish language, and there's nothing gay about it.
00:35:21.000 No, what's Gandalf really going down there for?
00:35:23.000 It's like his little Thailand.
00:35:24.000 Like, this is like is Gandalf the Epstein wizard of Middle Earth.
00:35:29.000 Yes, he is, yeah.
00:35:32.000 That's his Thailand. 0.96
00:35:33.000 I'm not saying throw this up.
00:35:35.000 Ryan wants us to throw this up.
00:35:36.000 204.
00:35:37.000 There it is.
00:35:38.000 Yeah, it is.
00:35:40.000 I'm telling you, once you see it through the Tyler lens, he's not that he's right, it's just you can't unsee it and it kind of ruins the film.
00:35:46.000 You guys, you guys are on the water.
00:35:47.000 I want to make this point that we didn't make the the a few weeks ago.
00:35:51.000 Was it's not just that.
00:35:52.000 I think Peter Jackson had this weird homo erotic uh uh approach to this because the elves are all super gay, they're all they're all super gay. 1.00
00:36:01.000 Like uh Orlando Bloom is like he looks like Pete Davidson.
00:36:05.000 He's like, he's just like he's got Pete Davidson vibes to him, which is like that's yes, yes.
00:36:11.000 And we and we talked about all the orcs.
00:36:13.000 There's no women orcs. 1.00
00:36:15.000 There's no female, like what this is like there's a lot of gay. 1.00
00:36:19.000 What do they do that's gay? 1.00
00:36:20.000 What did the orcs do that's gay? 1.00
00:36:23.000 There's no girls. 0.87
00:36:24.000 There's no women. 1.00
00:36:25.000 Yeah, that's so is the military gay, like when we make is Pete Heggs goal to like make combat really gay. 0.81
00:36:32.000 Is that the is that the goal, Tyler?
00:36:34.000 The story itself.
00:36:36.000 The story itself is not necessarily homoerotic, but there's like gazes that are like half a second, two seconds too long, and then like the whole like I'm so glad I have you with me.
00:36:49.000 It's like completely unnecessary extra lines of dialogue.
00:36:52.000 I'm sorry, I like I re-watched it, and it's such a good movie, and it's so amazing.
00:36:57.000 But if you kind of go back to watch a movie 20 years ago through modern ultra like, let's just say gay lens of film, you see some things there, and you got boy, if that was made in 2025, it would be broke back mountain of Mountain Dew. 0.67
00:37:14.000 It would be awful.
00:37:15.000 This reminds me, this reminds me of what happened with Abraham Lincoln, right?
00:37:19.000 So he had this really close friendship with a guy named Joshua Fry Speed.
00:37:24.000 And this is before they were pre uh he was president, like well before.
00:37:27.000 I I sent the the the old timey image of Joshua Fry Speed.
00:37:31.000 But there was in 1926, a biography of Lincoln by Carl Sandberg alluded to the early relationship Lincoln and his friend Joshua Fry Speed had as having a streak of lavender and spots soft as May Violets.
00:37:46.000 Uh and that's kind of reminds me of like a really good description of uh Frodo and that's Ian McClellan.
00:37:54.000 That's Gandalf.
00:37:55.000 Yeah, Gandalf is gay.
00:37:56.000 I forgot he and yeah, yeah.
00:37:59.000 Yeah, but like I also call it like this is you know, we're changing history here.
00:38:04.000 I mean, I can guarantee you that that maybe the movies a little bit like homoerotic, but like the books and the the original Grand Marshal, he's the grand marshal of the gay parade. 0.99
00:38:15.000 Yeah, but that's that's modern you know, that's not that that's not the way the books were written.
00:38:21.000 That's not the original intent.
00:38:23.000 Oh, geez.
00:38:24.000 I know you guys are when you accept this framing, you are giving in to the to the gay industrial complex. 0.99
00:38:33.000 I never thought it at all my entire life.
00:38:35.000 And then Tyler mentions it and it half ruins it.
00:38:38.000 Like if you let them do it, if you let them get away with it, they're gonna make George Washington gay, they're gonna make Blake's gay, they're gonna make it.
00:38:45.000 That's the that's that's why I brought up Lincoln with his so he had a uh like he has four kids, he was in a long relationship with his wife, what is her name, Mary Todd or whatever.
00:38:56.000 And he had a history of having romantic relationships with other women before that.
00:39:00.000 I don't I'm not sure they were were physical, but the point is everybody thought he was heterosexual his whole life, and then we get to like 2020, and all of a sudden he's gay.
00:39:09.000 This so I I do want to like make space for the fact that that men can have intimate, non-sexual, very heterosexual relationships, and I think before the gay agenda took over modern pop culture, nobody would have thought differently about it. 0.73
00:39:25.000 Stop it, Ryan.
00:39:26.000 One of our producers keeps putting in very inappropriate pictures.
00:39:31.000 Uh anyways, what it's worth.
00:39:33.000 There is we have to make space for the fact that we're gonna be able to do it.
00:39:35.000 Well, I mean, this is a this is a real conversation though, because and this and this does tie back to Pete Davidson because you know, his like this you know, growing up fatherless thing, obviously no fault of his own.
00:39:46.000 His dad died in 9-11, whatever.
00:39:48.000 But like this entire feminization of males, I think the feminization of males in general has made it impossible for guys to have like those old school, you know, guy best friends because people look at you and question if you're gay.
00:40:04.000 So when you create a world in which that's so prevalent, I think it's harder to be it's hard, it's hard to have like a best bite.
00:40:12.000 And this actually, I've talked about this recently with friends.
00:40:14.000 It's like it's actually hard in general for men to get together and do anything, like kind of the old school days.
00:40:19.000 It was like men used to get together and do bowling leagues and poker nights and da-da-da-da.
00:40:23.000 And those things happen, but I don't think they're nearly as prevalent as they were, you know, many years ago.
00:40:30.000 And I think it's like this is all par and parcel to like again, Hollywood, everything, just like pushing the gay agenda, which you know may or may not have started with Lord of the Rings. 0.96
00:40:40.000 So you know, just CD.
00:40:42.000 I totally agree.
00:40:43.000 I I totally agree.
00:40:44.000 Here's here I don't know if this is gonna help my case or hurt it, depending on but I'll never forget when I went to Italy.
00:40:51.000 And okay, so it's apparently gonna hurt it based on Blake's reaction to Italy.
00:40:55.000 But I remember going in Italy, and there would be men holding hands, walking down the street, just holding hands, and they were I asked, I was like, are they gay?
00:41:04.000 And they're like, no, no, no, they're straight as an arrow.
00:41:06.000 Like, that's just men in Italy.
00:41:07.000 They'll just hold like if they feel close to another man, they'll just hold each other's hands.
00:41:13.000 I'm just saying, I'm just saying what I saw.
00:41:15.000 But I think when I think of it, saying is through a 2025 lens, you watch the movie 20 years later, and it's just you can't help but think because we look at all of that stuff as homoerotic and gay. 0.67
00:41:35.000 Thanks for ruining uh childhood uh favorite, Tyler.
00:41:38.000 Really appreciate it.
00:41:40.000 Oh no, no, he completely wrecked it.
00:41:42.000 Well, I mean, it it was uh somebody had had planted that in my mind, but this is what how it happened for me.
00:41:49.000 I I watched during COVID, I downloaded all the trilogies that existed, because there was like so every night I would just watch start watching one of the trilogies.
00:42:00.000 I watched literally every movie that had a chill trilogy, and I downloaded Lord of the Rings.
00:42:04.000 I started watching it, I was like, man, this is really gay. 0.99
00:42:06.000 I can't watch this.
00:42:07.000 And I like shut up.
00:42:08.000 I downloaded all three, I paid for all three movies, and I only watched like the like first half of the first one.
00:42:14.000 Now I'm now I've thanks to thanks to Andrew's like Italy's super straight thing. 0.94
00:42:18.000 I'm I'm looking up Liberacci to make sure he was in fact Italian, and yes, he was Italian, and he put a big candelabra on his piano, and he insisted he was straight his whole life, and then he well, he died of a condition not associated with that.
00:42:34.000 Well, I'm just telling you what I saw, and men in Italy walked down to each other's hand.
00:42:41.000 And if you if you watch the movie closely, near the beginning at Bilbo Baggin's 110th or 111th birthday, Sam was really nervous to go up and talk to the ladies or the woman, so he needed like an extra thing of beer and had to be thrown into it.
00:42:55.000 I'm just saying straight.
00:42:57.000 That's straight.
00:42:58.000 Like gays are great at talking to women because they have like women brain. 1.00
00:43:03.000 Wait, hold on.
00:43:04.000 Not always.
00:43:04.000 A lot of what why would a gay dude be nervous about talking to women?
00:43:09.000 What's he worried is gonna happen?
00:43:11.000 A lot of dudes are that's a sh that's so cliche, it's a shtick they use in the movie that men are nervous of talking to women.
00:43:17.000 Only only a certain subset of men are nervous out of the game.
00:43:22.000 Mary and Pippen.
00:43:23.000 Hey, I will tell you that if you go watch uh Top Gun, the original, like go watch that for homoerotic. 1.00
00:43:30.000 Oh, you're gonna make you're gonna make Top Gun gay for Charlie now too. 0.88
00:43:36.000 I mean, Top Gun is is objectively homoerotic.
00:43:40.000 Andrew.
00:43:42.000 You are putting this conversation in the danger zone.
00:43:45.000 You are on a highway to the danger zone right now.
00:43:47.000 Yeah.
00:43:48.000 This is not telling you, there is a reason why there's a lot of rumors flowing around about uh the the lead in that film, Tom Cruise.
00:43:55.000 I'm just saying that all this what else are you gonna ruin for me?
00:44:01.000 1980s Top Gun is the most homoerotic movie ever created. 0.98
00:44:05.000 It's a fact.
00:44:07.000 You're just gonna come in every every week, it's gonna be also gonna assert another movie is gay. 0.54
00:44:13.000 You're gonna be like I mean, Star Wars is gay. 1.00
00:44:17.000 The Godfather is it was really kind of like it wasn't really about five families, who was kind of like a gay conclave that was running inner Italian mafia. 0.93
00:44:25.000 Yeah, you're gonna be like the good, the bad, and the ugly, gay. 1.00
00:44:28.000 You're gonna be citizen cane. 0.98
00:44:33.000 Citizen gay. 0.97
00:44:35.000 No, it's not under every rock.
00:44:36.000 Gay stuff. 0.98
00:44:37.000 Rosebud was not actually his sled growing up.
00:44:39.000 Rosebud was a secret lover that he had during college.
00:44:42.000 Yeah.
00:44:43.000 Charlie, don't look up the slang terms.
00:44:45.000 Don't look up slang terms for that word.
00:44:47.000 Just that's all I'm gonna say.
00:44:48.000 Clarence.
00:44:49.000 Uh man.
00:44:52.000 You can't touch.
00:44:53.000 You cannot touch uh it's a wonderful life.
00:44:55.000 Okay, you cannot touch it for it.
00:44:57.000 Okay, hold on.
00:44:58.000 I mean, Top Gun is like this is not me breaking news.
00:45:00.000 Everybody knows Top Gun's homoerotic. 0.87
00:45:03.000 No, I just I Googled it that way.
00:45:05.000 He's right.
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00:46:09.000 I Googled the the gayest movies that are explicitly gay, and also on there is uh Wizard of Oz.
00:46:16.000 Oh, that that's like uh that's a different one where whether that movie is gay or not, gay people are obsessed with Wizard of Oz because gay men love Judy Garland, I guess.
00:46:26.000 The more the more you know.
00:46:29.000 Uh I also think that there's that connection, the same connection with uh Lord of the Rings as you have the small people.
00:46:36.000 If you look up like gay icons, I think Judy Garland is literally the first result. 1.00
00:46:41.000 It's uh kind of kind of strange.
00:46:44.000 Oh man, we're gonna this is getting way too deep into the lore.
00:46:46.000 We should probably we should probably hit the evac button to the next topic before every it'll turn out everything.
00:46:51.000 Everything is why people pay the big bucks.
00:46:53.000 Hold on.
00:46:54.000 Hold on.
00:46:54.000 I'm I'm this is top 10 macho blockbusters with hit hidden homoeroticism.
00:47:00.000 Number 10 is ravenous from 1999.
00:47:03.000 I've never heard of that.
00:47:04.000 Uh 300 is number nine.
00:47:06.000 Number eight, top gun, nineteen eighty-six.
00:47:09.000 What are you talking about?
00:47:11.000 Number seven, come on. 0.65
00:47:13.000 Yeah.
00:47:13.000 Well, because it's all these dudes running around.
00:47:16.000 Yeah, it's called like dudes who are murdering other dudes.
00:47:19.000 Yeah.
00:47:20.000 All right.
00:47:21.000 A nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy's Revenge from 1985.
00:47:24.000 Tango and Cash, 1989.
00:47:27.000 X-Men First Class, 2011.
00:47:29.000 Yeah, X-Men's kind of gay. 0.98
00:47:31.000 We're correcting the coma 1955.
00:47:33.000 YOMA 63.
00:47:34.000 I feel like I'm being corrupted.
00:47:36.000 I never saw gayness in Top Ben.
00:47:39.000 You're destroying our audience.
00:47:41.000 Ben Hur, 1959.
00:47:43.000 I could see that.
00:47:44.000 Fight Club 1998.
00:47:46.000 Uh, but you think about Fight Club?
00:47:48.000 Fight Cup's kind of gay, yeah.
00:47:50.000 Yeah.
00:47:50.000 Fight Club.
00:47:52.000 I have not actually seen the Fight Club movie.
00:47:54.000 I think I'm the only person born in my year to have not seen it.
00:47:56.000 That's a perfect example of a movie that was that was directed at men that men, like boys were supposed to like that had severe gay undertones for sure.
00:48:07.000 Yeah.
00:48:08.000 I read the book.
00:48:08.000 The book is like because they're like they're they need like camaraderie.
00:48:13.000 That's just like what a gang is.
00:48:14.000 Like a you know.
00:48:16.000 I just I don't know if I agree with this at all.
00:48:18.000 No, there's a there's a I I actually because I got into that after I was reading because we were talking about gay movies because that's this is how this came up, and I can't got to Lord of the Rings.
00:48:27.000 This was one of the ones the Reddit threads I read was all about how Fight Club has all these like it's tons of uh undertones like throughout.
00:48:36.000 And it was like planting and like boys' minds, all like in the 2000s or 90s or whenever it came out.
00:48:44.000 Well, we've probably ruined everybody's night here.
00:48:48.000 DJT 2020 suggests that just all acting in fiction is gay, which was kind of what the that is like the true classical take on it.
00:48:56.000 You know, the ancient Romans considered actors the equivalent of prostitutes, basically.
00:49:03.000 Maybe we need to bring that back.
00:49:06.000 Well, I mean, if we go far enough back to the Greeks, it was only male actors, right?
00:49:10.000 So uh that would probably attract a certain type of male, even back then.
00:49:18.000 Okay, uh, let's go really quick.
00:49:20.000 Who wants to take the what uh Jack?
00:49:21.000 You're awfully um passionate about this uh this in and out whataburger thing.
00:49:28.000 Go ahead.
00:49:29.000 So just I'll set it up with some context here, which is the conversation.
00:49:34.000 Someone put up a billboard to troll in and out because I guess uh which burger was it that did it?
00:49:39.000 They like beat in and out.
00:49:41.000 Yeah, it started in Santa Barbara, actually.
00:49:45.000 Funny enough.
00:49:46.000 Alrighty.
00:49:46.000 So Habit Burgers, that's the name of it.
00:49:49.000 Yep.
00:49:49.000 Habit Burger, they beat uh In N Out as like the number one tastiest fast food burger, and now they're trolling In N Out US by putting up a congrats on number two billboard.
00:49:58.000 But I just wanted to have that context.
00:50:01.000 So I don't know what that was.
00:50:03.000 So the Yeah, I I was I was in the uh time machine there for a second, boys.
00:50:09.000 But no, no, I'm back.
00:50:10.000 Now I'm back to America.
00:50:12.000 So look, this is kind of what you know.
00:50:15.000 Funny enough, JD Vance and uh and Tucker got into this the other when I saw them in Hershey regarding the quarter pounder and the Big Mac.
00:50:23.000 And JD was arguing that the quarter pounder is better meal because you get more meat.
00:50:29.000 And Tucker was like, Yeah, but there's no special sauce.
00:50:32.000 And JD responds, he goes, he goes, Tucker, you have been manipulated by the elites.
00:50:37.000 Special sauce is nothing.
00:50:38.000 It's all about which which burger has more meat.
00:50:41.000 And that's kind of where I come down on this.
00:50:43.000 That water burger just has more meat to it, that it's it's got more meat than in and out.
00:50:47.000 So I'm like, I don't know.
00:50:48.000 Like, I just I feel like I like that burger, man.
00:50:53.000 Charlie, are you allowed to do that?
00:50:56.000 Not really.
00:50:57.000 I'm on this weird like diet right now.
00:50:59.000 But typically, um, the In N Out is the best.
00:51:03.000 And Tyler, you have to admit Arizona became a better place when In N Out came here. 0.77
00:51:08.000 So In N Out is if you're a West Coaster, especially growing up, now it's kind of like it's it's everywhere now.
00:51:15.000 They I think they just opened up in and out.
00:51:17.000 Good for them, by the way, opening up in and out in Tennessee.
00:51:19.000 But when I was growing up, it was like we like longed to go to every time we go to California, you long to go wait in line at In N Out and just go to In N Out, and everybody did that.
00:51:30.000 That still kind of exists for people who are on the East Coast for the most part.
00:51:34.000 But like it was if you you asked an East Coaster about In N Out, nobody really knew what it was at all.
00:51:41.000 Like, no one ever like pre-social media, all that stuff.
00:51:44.000 So it was like really the pre-era of it was, and and Andrew can probably add to this too, being from Nevada.
00:51:50.000 If you're from like Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, you know, probably like Utah and like other parts, people would go, and that was like part of your experience.
00:52:00.000 So it was like culturally part of visiting California was In N Out Burger.
00:52:04.000 So I would I actually the way I view In N Out Burger is different than probably how younger people view In N Out Burger, which is that it has a taste that's associated with like memories, like especially like vacation memories and beach memories that you can't break.
00:52:21.000 But people who don't have have that appreciation for it, that like that pre-era, like it just has a different meaning to you.
00:52:28.000 So I love In N Out Burger because it has like all these memories, it's straight up California.
00:52:34.000 Like it's it's it's like invariably attached that when they came to Arizona, it was like the biggest deal ever.
00:52:40.000 When it when they first opened up the first restaurants in Arizona, it was like such a big deal, and it still is.
00:52:45.000 I mean, you go to In N Out, you go to any In N Out Burger any night, it's like Chick-fil-A, Chick-fil-A In N Out, it's the longest lines that you'll find in the entire state.
00:52:53.000 But the taste I still every time I taste it, the the spread.
00:52:57.000 It's like I think of being in California at the beach, I can almost like smell like like the sea air.
00:53:02.000 This this is an embarrassing story.
00:53:04.000 In uh in 2016, my dad, I I was out of the home by this point.
00:53:10.000 My dad flew our family, so a lot of my siblings were still at home, but he's also like Blink, buy I'll buy you a ticket, you have to come with us.
00:53:17.000 And he flew our entire family to Los Angeles.
00:53:21.000 This was the first time I had been to Los Angeles, so that we could go visit the Reagan Library and the Reagan Ranch, uh, which is definitely like the most I am a baby boomer conservative thing that my family has ever done.
00:53:36.000 But as part of that, we ended up going to In N Out, I think two or three separate times because our Airbnb was close to one.
00:53:44.000 And it's as you describe it, it was very long lines.
00:53:47.000 There were this was right when I think the cult of In N Out was really becoming you know a nationwide awareness thing.
00:53:54.000 And yeah, we went there a bunch.
00:53:55.000 I did like In N Out quite a bit.
00:53:57.000 I don't eat enough fast food burgers to have strong opinions on which one is the best.
00:54:03.000 To be honest, I usually get chicken sandwiches if if they offer them.
00:54:07.000 Uh my favorite burger that I actually eat regularly.
00:54:10.000 Uh, We have a place here in Phoenix.
00:54:12.000 I have no idea if they're elsewhere, but uh cold beers and cheeseburgers.
00:54:16.000 They have a peanut butter and jelly burger on their menu.
00:54:20.000 And every time I go, I order that.
00:54:22.000 And I always tell you, I've never been there.
00:54:24.000 Is it is the food good there?
00:54:26.000 This burger is good.
00:54:27.000 I always tell them don't wuss out on the peanut butter and jelly.
00:54:30.000 Like really like slather it up.
00:54:32.000 And they do when I tell them to.
00:54:34.000 And it's kind of disgusting.
00:54:35.000 You end up with peanut butter everywhere.
00:54:37.000 It's a little gross, but uh oh, it's satisfying and delicious.
00:54:40.000 And it's even more delicious knowing that Charlie will never be able to eat one.
00:54:45.000 That's right, Blake.
00:54:46.000 That's really sick and sadistic.
00:54:49.000 All right, everybody.
00:54:50.000 I have to go uh and do some stuff here.
00:54:51.000 Go support your local in and out.
00:54:53.000 Get it animal style, double double.
00:54:56.000 Uh get the secret sauce.
00:54:58.000 Extra pickles.
00:54:59.000 Animal styles incredible.
00:55:01.000 It's incredible.
00:55:01.000 Animal style is incredible.
00:55:03.000 Here's the order.
00:55:04.000 Get two four by fours, animal style, protein style, extra secret sauce, extra pickles, extra peppers.
00:55:11.000 Heard it here first.
00:55:12.000 God bless.
00:55:12.000 Keep on committing thought crimes.
00:55:14.000 We'll talk to you soon.
00:55:15.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:55:16.000 Email us as always, freedom at Charliekirk.com.
00:55:19.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.