Jack and Charlie discuss the new Netflix show Love is Blind and why it should not be called Love is Blind. They also discuss a new virtual reality game that could be the next Call of Duty. The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers.
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00:02:28.000We're gonna but you have two people that they are you have a two groups of uh men and a woman, and they're in separate parts of the house, and they have to go into rooms and communicate each other with each other through walls, so they can't see each other.
00:02:43.000And so they have to pick uh a match based off of their conversations.
00:02:48.000And so they normally talk to a handful of people before they pick the person.
00:02:55.000It's basically like look, it's in an octagon and everything.
00:02:58.000It's like a sick uh twist on what what was that old show called where it was like match game or whatever or the one that Jeffrey Dahmer went on or whatever.
00:04:03.000It's still a complete waste of time, but we're getting closer to some redemptive value.
00:04:08.000It's interesting for the viewer, because you can always tell when somebody's not gonna be a good match, but they think they're a good match.
00:04:14.000So like and then you waste 45 minutes watching.
00:04:16.000And then they're like, oh, yeah, and then you're like, you're like, oh, I can't wait for them to meet because they're gonna hate each other when they meet.
00:04:22.000Okay, can I cut of course love's not blind?
00:05:08.000The guy showed up, and he's like, I don't know if I really uh like below my standards, and then he's trying to get out of it from that point.
00:05:14.000Okay, because then they have to go live together.
00:05:19.000They aren't supposed to talk about appearance, but one season a guy asked a girl, if hypothetically we met at a music festival, would I be able to put you on my shoulders easily?
00:06:44.000So in this clip, before we get into clip, these two people invited their entire families on camera to like have this public humiliation ritual based on something that might not happen.
00:07:01.000Yeah, and all these people are like, yeah, we might be on camera and in front of like a hundred million people.
00:07:06.000Well, a lot of these families meet them beforehand, so like during the time that they're hanging out before they get married, like some of the families get like overly involved.
00:07:15.000So, like really know a lot about them.
00:07:17.000A sibling will like, hey, I know this one specific couple because it was hilarious watching this guy see this girl, and you could tell like he was really into her, really into her, and they met, and then he's like, Oh, that's not my own.
00:11:07.000I and like I'm not subscribed to like any like online websites, which is why I always have to figure out how to get around people's paywalls.
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00:15:14.000This this is kind of goes back to, you know, funny enough, like it goes back to what I was saying in the other segment where we've just got too many people in this country that have this fried mental model that are like over-socialized.
00:15:26.000Uh people are way too invested in politics into their personal lives.
00:15:31.000Uh, they they bring these things out and they bring these things up as if it's some kind of like deep-seated um commitment to them.
00:15:38.000And and and look, you know, I I certainly want you know, people to understand what's going on in their country, but the idea that you're gonna run your entire life over what someone's views on like ELM are or some you know, some kind of like and if you're you're just like some normie, like that's that's not actually a good situation for the country, right?
00:15:58.000Like, we don't want to be so overpoliticized.
00:16:00.000We want people to be getting married and having kids and sort of going on about their life and they're having their quality of life be, you know, somewhat stable and living in a a system that's somewhat stable.
00:16:10.000So the fact that the fact that politics in general is so mainstreamed is it just kind of shows how bad things have gotten up into this point, you know, up through tw the 2024 moment, the 2020 moment, obviously.
00:16:23.000Because in in a stable society, you know, dude, people are just kind of going about their lives, and you're not going to be mixing politics with like a dating show.
00:16:32.000Go back to uh what was the old um oh my gosh, the dating show on MTV uh back in the day, like the original dating show of the one that Sean Duffy was on?
00:16:41.000Singled out, thank you, singled out, so five got me in the chat.
00:16:45.000Um, and like you would never ever hear anyone talk about politics on a dating show in the 90s.
00:16:56.000That's awesome, you know, and just just not a thing.
00:17:00.000Yeah, and uh yeah, everyone's chatting that uh uh Sean Duffy and his wife actually met on The Real World, which was the original uh reality TV show, uh Rachel Compostuffy and their incredible family and obviously incredible relationship.
00:17:13.000Um, that actually started on another reality show also on MTV called The Real World.
00:17:18.000And the real world did start to edge into the political and religious stuff, but not so.
00:17:23.000That was like the whole point, I think.
00:17:24.000Because like the idea was they try to put like a bunch of people who are different, because like Sean Duffy's season, I don't know, I just cause I looked him up once was like he had they had a person in their house like who because Sean Duffy was like conservative at the time, yeah.
00:17:36.000And then like they had a person who was like had AIDS, so he was like, you know, because this is the early 90s, and so that was much more taboo then.
00:17:43.000But Jack's right, like the old dating shows were so much more like fluffy and just fun and stupid, right?
00:17:49.000And like just like you never would get that deep.
00:17:54.000The real world was the first real like real reality show.
00:17:58.000Which really goes at the truth of this, which is the cosmic thing that's important, which is one reality TV is actually fake, and two, people who watch reality TV should not be allowed to vote.
00:18:14.000Like I I am on not that I I don't watch reality TV, yet I will continue my jihad against reality TV.
00:18:21.000There's no reality TV that that like is okay to you.
00:18:25.000A decade ago I watched a few episodes of Bar Rescue because I kind of enjoyed the part where he would explain like how to run a bar correctly, like the business side of it was cool.
00:18:34.000But then I realized it was all fake because I saw a preview for an episode, and they were like, this bar is out of control.
00:18:40.000And the owner was like a clearly staged shot.
00:20:43.000But I what I will say is the uh I think the CDC or whoever, when they were doing one of their obesity warnings, they were commenting on how much TV is America TV Americans watched, and they were like suggesting you should be more active.
00:20:57.000And one of their ways to suggest being more active for the like the truly hopeless watch 40 hours of TV a week was try playing video games instead because you at least like move your hands.
00:21:09.000I think video games are worse because I think veg out TV, like when you're going to sleep or whatever, I think a lot of people do, that doesn't take away as much.
00:21:18.000Other than your sleep, which is health concerned.
00:22:25.000So I'll play Call of Duty with Brooks.
00:22:27.000So I play Call of Duty and uh I'm I'm bad, but there's some fun games on there.
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00:23:40.000Yeah, there's some there's so many now, and like uh a lot of them like I will deliberately avoid because they can be such an addictive time sync.
00:23:48.000Like they'll play they play those like paradox strategy games where you're just like conquering the world and people will play like five thousand hours of that.
00:23:55.000I'll play with Brooks, uh like Madden or a hockey game because it it's a it's like 15 minutes, you sit down, you play a game, and you're out.
00:25:25.000But there was this one game, this map you can play on the new Halo because they have it, and they just revamped and read it all the up uh the originals.
00:25:32.000Damn Nation, one flag, capture the flag.
00:26:06.000So this is like a hundred people would be in a game at once, which is way more.
00:26:09.000Like, you know, Halo, you could be like four v4 at best, but this was you can have a hundred people, and it's called a battle royale, so they go to only one is left.
00:26:16.000Um it has other game modes they've added over time too.
00:26:20.000I know what makes it popular is like you can be like any character in it at this point.
00:26:24.000So like you can be Spider-Man, you can be Mario, you can be like there's a million different characters that you can be.
00:26:30.000Well, and now Call of Duty's doing that.
00:26:57.000Uh re affirm me, because I am a I'm a stranger in the wilderness.
00:27:01.000So My kids, um, you know, my kids are kind of at the age where they're starting to like to get, you know, like video game curious.
00:27:08.000Uh we don't have games in the house, but they'll like you know, we we have like uh like a small one of those smart TVs, and so they could see they could see kind of like you know, videos of people playing games, or they'll they'll go through the store and look at games and you look at stuff and you're like, okay, Minecraft is just uh a ripoff of Legos in 3D, Roblox is just a rip-off of Minecraft.
00:27:29.000Uh there's another one, uh actually Cernovich was telling me about it the other day that his kids are into, and I looked into it and I'm like, this is just a rip-off of all the same games again.
00:27:39.000And then when you go and look at like the actual popular non-sort of like building things games, it's literally all the same characters that were popular in like the late 80s, early 90s.
00:27:51.000It's like here's another Mario, here's another Sonic, here's another Ninja Turtles, and on and on and on.
00:27:58.000And it's like the one uh I'll I'll throw it out.
00:28:01.000Like the one that the only one that I've heard that's like kind of new is Five Nights at Freddy's, which I'm not even gonna get into right now, but like the vast majority of games that you go out and see right now, like just you know, walking through the aisle looking, I'm like, wait a minute, these are all the exact same games and characters that were around like 30 years ago.
00:28:20.000What about the old but the only like we they brought up?
00:28:23.000The battle royale thing did change everything, but it other than that, there was like no changes.
00:29:00.000Uh GTA 5 has sold like I think over 100 million copies.
00:29:05.000This is 200 million here, but yeah, 200 million, yeah.
00:29:07.000There's a new Grand Theft Auto coming out too that everybody's looking forward to.
00:29:10.000One thing that's wild with this is it take one reason it's all the same old stuff is it takes them like you know how we can't do anything in America anymore because it costs 15 times as much as it used to?
00:31:21.000I think I think Knights of the Old Republic.
00:31:23.000I think that was like the most expensive game ever made when they made it.
00:31:26.000It was like a supposed to be like you might be thinking of the old republic with just the old republic, which was that was an MMORPG that they made.
00:31:33.000The old Republic was the was the online one.
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00:34:39.000I think I think you can infer that Frodo knew.
00:34:41.000And then you really start wondering like Mary, Pippin, Sam and Frodo are all sharing a room, and you really start thinking about things you shouldn't be thinking about.
00:34:50.000This is like a three-week log like conversation we've had.
00:34:53.000And it's gonna keep going until I win this conversation.
00:34:56.000And you gotta wonder like what are they actually doing in Rivendell?
00:34:59.000What are they really doing in Rivendell?
00:35:01.000Because you look at it through kind of a modern woke lens, and I got it's I'm not saying Tyler's right, but it it half ruined the movie for me.
00:35:40.000I'm telling you, once you see it through the Tyler lens, he's not that he's right, it's just you can't unsee it and it kind of ruins the film.
00:35:52.000I think Peter Jackson had this weird homo erotic uh uh approach to this because the elves are all super gay, they're all they're all super gay.
00:36:01.000Like uh Orlando Bloom is like he looks like Pete Davidson.
00:36:05.000He's like, he's just like he's got Pete Davidson vibes to him, which is like that's yes, yes.
00:36:11.000And we and we talked about all the orcs.
00:36:36.000The story itself is not necessarily homoerotic, but there's like gazes that are like half a second, two seconds too long, and then like the whole like I'm so glad I have you with me.
00:36:49.000It's like completely unnecessary extra lines of dialogue.
00:36:52.000I'm sorry, I like I re-watched it, and it's such a good movie, and it's so amazing.
00:36:57.000But if you kind of go back to watch a movie 20 years ago through modern ultra like, let's just say gay lens of film, you see some things there, and you got boy, if that was made in 2025, it would be broke back mountain of Mountain Dew.
00:37:15.000This reminds me, this reminds me of what happened with Abraham Lincoln, right?
00:37:19.000So he had this really close friendship with a guy named Joshua Fry Speed.
00:37:24.000And this is before they were pre uh he was president, like well before.
00:37:27.000I I sent the the the old timey image of Joshua Fry Speed.
00:37:31.000But there was in 1926, a biography of Lincoln by Carl Sandberg alluded to the early relationship Lincoln and his friend Joshua Fry Speed had as having a streak of lavender and spots soft as May Violets.
00:37:46.000Uh and that's kind of reminds me of like a really good description of uh Frodo and that's Ian McClellan.
00:37:59.000Yeah, but like I also call it like this is you know, we're changing history here.
00:38:04.000I mean, I can guarantee you that that maybe the movies a little bit like homoerotic, but like the books and the the original Grand Marshal, he's the grand marshal of the gay parade.
00:38:15.000Yeah, but that's that's modern you know, that's not that that's not the way the books were written.
00:38:24.000I know you guys are when you accept this framing, you are giving in to the to the gay industrial complex.
00:38:33.000I never thought it at all my entire life.
00:38:35.000And then Tyler mentions it and it half ruins it.
00:38:38.000Like if you let them do it, if you let them get away with it, they're gonna make George Washington gay, they're gonna make Blake's gay, they're gonna make it.
00:38:45.000That's the that's that's why I brought up Lincoln with his so he had a uh like he has four kids, he was in a long relationship with his wife, what is her name, Mary Todd or whatever.
00:38:56.000And he had a history of having romantic relationships with other women before that.
00:39:00.000I don't I'm not sure they were were physical, but the point is everybody thought he was heterosexual his whole life, and then we get to like 2020, and all of a sudden he's gay.
00:39:09.000This so I I do want to like make space for the fact that that men can have intimate, non-sexual, very heterosexual relationships, and I think before the gay agenda took over modern pop culture, nobody would have thought differently about it.
00:39:33.000There is we have to make space for the fact that we're gonna be able to do it.
00:39:35.000Well, I mean, this is a this is a real conversation though, because and this and this does tie back to Pete Davidson because you know, his like this you know, growing up fatherless thing, obviously no fault of his own.
00:39:48.000But like this entire feminization of males, I think the feminization of males in general has made it impossible for guys to have like those old school, you know, guy best friends because people look at you and question if you're gay.
00:40:04.000So when you create a world in which that's so prevalent, I think it's harder to be it's hard, it's hard to have like a best bite.
00:40:12.000And this actually, I've talked about this recently with friends.
00:40:14.000It's like it's actually hard in general for men to get together and do anything, like kind of the old school days.
00:40:19.000It was like men used to get together and do bowling leagues and poker nights and da-da-da-da.
00:40:23.000And those things happen, but I don't think they're nearly as prevalent as they were, you know, many years ago.
00:40:30.000And I think it's like this is all par and parcel to like again, Hollywood, everything, just like pushing the gay agenda, which you know may or may not have started with Lord of the Rings.
00:40:44.000Here's here I don't know if this is gonna help my case or hurt it, depending on but I'll never forget when I went to Italy.
00:40:51.000And okay, so it's apparently gonna hurt it based on Blake's reaction to Italy.
00:40:55.000But I remember going in Italy, and there would be men holding hands, walking down the street, just holding hands, and they were I asked, I was like, are they gay?
00:41:04.000And they're like, no, no, no, they're straight as an arrow.
00:41:07.000They'll just hold like if they feel close to another man, they'll just hold each other's hands.
00:41:13.000I'm just saying, I'm just saying what I saw.
00:41:15.000But I think when I think of it, saying is through a 2025 lens, you watch the movie 20 years later, and it's just you can't help but think because we look at all of that stuff as homoerotic and gay.
00:41:35.000Thanks for ruining uh childhood uh favorite, Tyler.
00:41:42.000Well, I mean, it it was uh somebody had had planted that in my mind, but this is what how it happened for me.
00:41:49.000I I watched during COVID, I downloaded all the trilogies that existed, because there was like so every night I would just watch start watching one of the trilogies.
00:42:00.000I watched literally every movie that had a chill trilogy, and I downloaded Lord of the Rings.
00:42:04.000I started watching it, I was like, man, this is really gay.
00:42:08.000I downloaded all three, I paid for all three movies, and I only watched like the like first half of the first one.
00:42:14.000Now I'm now I've thanks to thanks to Andrew's like Italy's super straight thing.
00:42:18.000I'm I'm looking up Liberacci to make sure he was in fact Italian, and yes, he was Italian, and he put a big candelabra on his piano, and he insisted he was straight his whole life, and then he well, he died of a condition not associated with that.
00:42:34.000Well, I'm just telling you what I saw, and men in Italy walked down to each other's hand.
00:42:41.000And if you if you watch the movie closely, near the beginning at Bilbo Baggin's 110th or 111th birthday, Sam was really nervous to go up and talk to the ladies or the woman, so he needed like an extra thing of beer and had to be thrown into it.
00:44:07.000You're just gonna come in every every week, it's gonna be also gonna assert another movie is gay.
00:44:13.000You're gonna be like I mean, Star Wars is gay.
00:44:17.000The Godfather is it was really kind of like it wasn't really about five families, who was kind of like a gay conclave that was running inner Italian mafia.
00:44:25.000Yeah, you're gonna be like the good, the bad, and the ugly, gay.
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00:46:09.000I Googled the the gayest movies that are explicitly gay, and also on there is uh Wizard of Oz.
00:46:16.000Oh, that that's like uh that's a different one where whether that movie is gay or not, gay people are obsessed with Wizard of Oz because gay men love Judy Garland, I guess.
00:47:52.000I have not actually seen the Fight Club movie.
00:47:54.000I think I'm the only person born in my year to have not seen it.
00:47:56.000That's a perfect example of a movie that was that was directed at men that men, like boys were supposed to like that had severe gay undertones for sure.
00:48:16.000I just I don't know if I agree with this at all.
00:48:18.000No, there's a there's a I I actually because I got into that after I was reading because we were talking about gay movies because that's this is how this came up, and I can't got to Lord of the Rings.
00:48:27.000This was one of the ones the Reddit threads I read was all about how Fight Club has all these like it's tons of uh undertones like throughout.
00:48:36.000And it was like planting and like boys' minds, all like in the 2000s or 90s or whenever it came out.
00:48:44.000Well, we've probably ruined everybody's night here.
00:48:48.000DJT 2020 suggests that just all acting in fiction is gay, which was kind of what the that is like the true classical take on it.
00:48:56.000You know, the ancient Romans considered actors the equivalent of prostitutes, basically.
00:49:49.000Habit Burger, they beat uh In N Out as like the number one tastiest fast food burger, and now they're trolling In N Out US by putting up a congrats on number two billboard.
00:49:58.000But I just wanted to have that context.
00:50:57.000I'm on this weird like diet right now.
00:50:59.000But typically, um, the In N Out is the best.
00:51:03.000And Tyler, you have to admit Arizona became a better place when In N Out came here.
00:51:08.000So In N Out is if you're a West Coaster, especially growing up, now it's kind of like it's it's everywhere now.
00:51:15.000They I think they just opened up in and out.
00:51:17.000Good for them, by the way, opening up in and out in Tennessee.
00:51:19.000But when I was growing up, it was like we like longed to go to every time we go to California, you long to go wait in line at In N Out and just go to In N Out, and everybody did that.
00:51:30.000That still kind of exists for people who are on the East Coast for the most part.
00:51:34.000But like it was if you you asked an East Coaster about In N Out, nobody really knew what it was at all.
00:51:41.000Like, no one ever like pre-social media, all that stuff.
00:51:44.000So it was like really the pre-era of it was, and and Andrew can probably add to this too, being from Nevada.
00:51:50.000If you're from like Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, you know, probably like Utah and like other parts, people would go, and that was like part of your experience.
00:52:00.000So it was like culturally part of visiting California was In N Out Burger.
00:52:04.000So I would I actually the way I view In N Out Burger is different than probably how younger people view In N Out Burger, which is that it has a taste that's associated with like memories, like especially like vacation memories and beach memories that you can't break.
00:52:21.000But people who don't have have that appreciation for it, that like that pre-era, like it just has a different meaning to you.
00:52:28.000So I love In N Out Burger because it has like all these memories, it's straight up California.
00:52:34.000Like it's it's it's like invariably attached that when they came to Arizona, it was like the biggest deal ever.
00:52:40.000When it when they first opened up the first restaurants in Arizona, it was like such a big deal, and it still is.
00:52:45.000I mean, you go to In N Out, you go to any In N Out Burger any night, it's like Chick-fil-A, Chick-fil-A In N Out, it's the longest lines that you'll find in the entire state.
00:52:53.000But the taste I still every time I taste it, the the spread.
00:52:57.000It's like I think of being in California at the beach, I can almost like smell like like the sea air.
00:53:04.000In uh in 2016, my dad, I I was out of the home by this point.
00:53:10.000My dad flew our family, so a lot of my siblings were still at home, but he's also like Blink, buy I'll buy you a ticket, you have to come with us.
00:53:17.000And he flew our entire family to Los Angeles.
00:53:21.000This was the first time I had been to Los Angeles, so that we could go visit the Reagan Library and the Reagan Ranch, uh, which is definitely like the most I am a baby boomer conservative thing that my family has ever done.
00:53:36.000But as part of that, we ended up going to In N Out, I think two or three separate times because our Airbnb was close to one.
00:53:44.000And it's as you describe it, it was very long lines.
00:53:47.000There were this was right when I think the cult of In N Out was really becoming you know a nationwide awareness thing.