The Charlie Kirk Show - ThoughtCrime: The Trump Verdict Special

00:00:00.000 Okay, everybody, it is Thursday.

00:00:02.000 Typically, we do our thought crime show, which we are doing right now, but with the breaking news, we have our panel and we are pivoting to this breaking, breaking news.

00:00:10.000 A Manhattan jury has found Trump guilty on all counts.

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00:02:39.000 This was a disgrace. 0.91

00:02:41.000 This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. 0.90

00:02:46.000 It's a rigged trial, a disgrace.

00:02:50.000 They wouldn't give us a venue change.

00:02:52.000 We were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area.

00:02:59.000 This was a rigged, disgraceful trial.

00:03:03.000 The real verdict is going to be November 5th by the people.

00:03:08.000 And they know what happened here, and everybody knows what happened here.

00:03:12.000 You have a sore respect, DA, and the whole thing.

00:03:16.000 We didn't do a thing wrong.

00:03:18.000 I'm a very innocent man.

00:03:21.000 And it's okay.

00:03:22.000 I'm fighting for our country.

00:03:24.000 I'm fighting for our Constitution.

00:03:26.000 Our whole country is being rigged right now.

00:03:28.000 This was done by the Biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent.

00:03:37.000 And I think it's just a disgrace.

00:03:39.000 And we'll keep fighting.

00:03:40.000 We'll fight till the end and we'll win because our country's gone to hell.

00:03:45.000 We don't have the same country anymore.

00:03:47.000 We have a divided mess.

00:03:49.000 We're a nation in decline, serious decline.

00:03:52.000 Millions and millions of people pouring into our country right now from prisons and from mental institutions, terrorists, and they're taking over our country. 1.00

00:04:02.000 We have a country that's in big trouble, but this was a rigged decision right from day one with a conflicted judge who should have never been allowed to try this case, never.

00:04:13.000 And we will fight for our Constitution.

00:04:16.000 This is Maul Trump offer.

00:04:17.000 Thank you very much.

00:04:19.000 I want to just start going through all the facts here.

00:04:21.000 A Manhattan jury has found Trump guilty on all counts.

00:04:24.000 By the way, I'm getting my MAGA hat.

00:04:26.000 Look at that visual.

00:04:27.000 I'm retrieving it.

00:04:28.000 It's in the other room.

00:04:29.000 Look at that.

00:04:29.000 Isn't that the best visual ever?

00:04:31.000 Andrew, seeing Blake.

00:04:32.000 It's not the best ever.

00:04:33.000 You don't have your hat on.

00:04:34.000 Get the hat on, Charlie.

00:04:36.000 I'm searching it out for the record.

00:04:39.000 Okay.

00:04:39.000 Pressure, peer, pressure, peer, pressure.

00:04:42.000 Peer pressure.

00:04:43.000 I'm on board for it.

00:04:45.000 Seeing Blake in the MAGA hat is amazing.

00:04:48.000 So look, a Manhattan jury has found Trump guilty on all counts.

00:04:52.000 We knew from the start this was the most likely outcome.

00:04:55.000 This case was engineered for years from the very top of the Democrat apparatus to bring down Trump using a rigged law in a rigged courtroom with a rigged jury.

00:05:05.000 Trump will appeal and this will eventually be overturned, but this is a scar on our nation.

00:05:10.000 For today, at least, this country looks a lot more like Venezuela or China or Russia than the United States of America.

00:05:17.000 Now we must be ready to maintain our resolve.

00:05:20.000 There will be an unprecedented push to say that Trump cannot be allowed to win and that we cannot elect a convicted felon.

00:05:27.000 Do not give in.

00:05:28.000 They did this because they are desperate.

00:05:30.000 They will lose and they will pay.

00:05:32.000 This is an indictment of the New York legal system, not Donald Trump. 0.99

00:05:37.000 I support Trump more after all of this crap. 0.95

00:05:40.000 And we must understand the sentencing is now set for July 11th. 0.99

00:05:44.000 There is so much to get through here tonight.

00:05:46.000 We're going to be going longer than our usual allotted time.

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00:06:00.000 Jack, I want to throw it to you, Jack.

00:06:02.000 I want to get a vibe check.

00:06:05.000 What is the everyday person saying?

00:06:07.000 Are the Democrats winning the narrative war?

00:06:10.000 Is there rejoicing and celebrating?

00:06:12.000 Or is there a consolidating amount of support for President Trump now that he is technically a convicted felon?

00:06:20.000 Jack Pesobic.

00:06:21.000 Charlie, what I'm seeing out there is a tale of two cities.

00:06:26.000 And it's a situation where, yes, inside the halls of the power elite, the brokers, the folks of the capital, if you will, they're cheering, they're celebrating, they're throwing up their green and blue hair in applause and adulation.

00:06:45.000 But meanwhile, the regular people who live out in the districts, the people who actually put this country together every day, the people who drive the trucks, the people who keep us safe, the people who actually run the businesses, the muscular class, as you like to say, Charlie, those people are incensed.

00:07:08.000 And I'll tell you, the number one thing that's flooding my inbox right now, people are saying, Jack, how do I donate to Donald Trump?

00:07:16.000 And I don't mean just people who, you know, who know me and know that I'm kind of involved in politics and all this.

00:07:22.000 I mean people who are just crawling out of the woodwork, family members that I only talk to on holidays, friends from childhood.

00:07:30.000 They're all texting me.

00:07:31.000 How do I donate?

00:07:32.000 How do I get involved?

00:07:33.000 How do I donate to this guy?

00:07:35.000 Myself personally, I don't usually donate to political campaigns.

00:07:40.000 It's just not something that I've ever done.

00:07:43.000 But today is not normal.

00:07:45.000 And this moment is not normal.

00:07:47.000 Just moons before the show started today, I maxed out to Donald J. Trump for the entire year.

00:07:53.000 And by the way, just today alone at Turning Point Action, we raised nearly a million dollars today just at Turning Point Action for ballot chasing.

00:08:01.000 And just today alone, small dollar donations, yes.

00:08:04.000 But, you know, I was just on the phone again.

00:08:06.000 I was working the phones here, and I got a text message from one of our donors.

00:08:10.000 They said, Charlie, I'm going to give $250,000.

00:08:11.000 We had another do $100,000.

00:08:14.000 We are getting incoming like you wouldn't believe.

00:08:17.000 And I want to throw it to Andrew here, but I'm going to read this one text message from an anti-Trump Republican who is in my orbit in my family.

00:08:25.000 I'm not going to say who.

00:08:26.000 And he's a conservative.

00:08:27.000 He's a good man.

00:08:28.000 He says, I cannot believe the verdict makes me sick.

00:08:31.000 When I got this text, what?

00:08:33.000 He said, Trump is below the law, not above the law.

00:08:37.000 I kind of love that.

00:08:38.000 Below the law. 0.99

00:08:39.000 They make the law up.

00:08:41.000 He is.

00:08:42.000 He has his own standard.

00:08:43.000 It is repulsive.

00:08:45.000 Andrew, from a vibe check, at least anecdotally and from on social media, the American people are not tolerating this.

00:08:52.000 They're not celebrating or not rejoicing it.

00:08:54.000 It feels like an overreach.

00:08:55.000 It feels third world.

00:08:57.000 It feels tinpoc dictator.

00:09:00.000 If you hated Trump so much, then beat him in the ballot box.

00:09:03.000 Don't rig a trial against him.

00:09:05.000 Andrew, from your analysis on social, what are we looking at or feeling right now?

00:09:11.000 You know, Charlie, the thing that struck me is that they've spent basically the last six, seven years trying to paint Donald Trump as Putin.

00:09:19.000 And in their zeal to do so, they've revealed that they are, in fact, Putin.

00:09:25.000 They are absolutely, I think they've completely jumped the shark.

00:09:29.000 I want to throw up this image, 158, guys.

00:09:32.000 If you could do that, this is a crazy gut check right here.

00:09:37.000 If you're Democrats, I think Charlie, you tweeted something like, you're about to reap the whirlwind, quoting Chuck U. Schumer.

00:09:45.000 158.

00:09:46.000 So this is Guy Benson responding to a guy named Con Carroll who said, through two primaries and two general elections, I have never voted for Trump.

00:09:46.000 Yeah.

00:09:56.000 I would crawl over broken glass to vote for him now.

00:09:59.000 And Guy says, I've gotten a lot of these texts like this.

00:10:03.000 No idea, like, you know, if this will offset the negative.

00:10:06.000 Then you look down and there's Peter Meyer, who literally voted to impeach Donald Trump.

00:10:15.000 You know, a conservative, quote unquote, who voted to impeach Donald Trump, just said, same.

00:10:21.000 If that's not a vibe check of where this kangaroo court out of New York has thrust the American population where it's, you know, put just normy, moderate people, I don't know what is.

00:10:35.000 This is crazy to see that image right there.

00:10:39.000 And I mean, I think when you, we talk a lot about boomerangs, we talk a lot about this stuff.

00:10:44.000 This is unlike anything we've ever seen.

00:10:47.000 This is the Mar-a-Lago raid on steroids, which is the only thing I can think of that comes anywhere close to this.

00:10:54.000 People are flipping mad.

00:10:58.000 Yeah.

00:10:58.000 And so I want to go to Blake here.

00:11:00.000 My only comment, though, is that the Mar-a-Lago raid, it faded.

00:11:03.000 I don't think this will fade.

00:11:05.000 Meaning, we didn't see that translate into midterm anything.

00:11:08.000 We thought it would.

00:11:10.000 We kind of just forgot about it.

00:11:11.000 This feels completely different.

00:11:13.000 And so, Blake, there's a series of tweets here that show how the left is not really even comfortable celebrating this.

00:11:19.000 Almost as if that, unless you're like a completely dark and suppressed individual that has completely, that has just your soul has been overtaken by the shadow, that even they're like a little bit worried about this.

00:11:34.000 So, Blake, talk about how in 2020 they were celebrating in the streets.

00:11:38.000 We aren't even seeing that.

00:11:39.000 Some like lunatics are banging pots and pans. 0.67

00:11:42.000 So talk about this.

00:11:44.000 This is a tweet that I just floated across from someone on Twitter, just called Blair.

00:11:48.000 I don't think they're a major person, but they say in Bowrum Hill, I don't know if I'm saying that right.

00:11:53.000 It's a neighborhood in Brooklyn.

00:11:54.000 In Bowrum Hill, an older couple just stepped out of a brownstone and started banging pots and pans together.

00:12:01.000 Nobody on the street reacted.

00:12:03.000 So they added, guilty, guilty, and then walked back inside.

00:12:09.000 And I think a lot of us might remember the Saturday after the fall election.

00:12:14.000 It's when they called the race for Joe Biden, there was an actual pretty spontaneous reaction from the left where they went outside and they had very cringe celebrations, honking horns in the street and all that.

00:12:28.000 They posted their Twitter videos of them dancing, all of that.

00:12:32.000 And that did happen in 2020.

00:12:34.000 And now they finally got what so many of them supposedly wanted.

00:12:37.000 They got the Donald Trump is convicted. 0.98

00:12:40.000 And you have a few lame old people go outside and they bang some pots pathetically and no one cares. 1.00

00:12:47.000 The energy has gone. 0.95

00:12:49.000 There's so much energy that's been lost by the left in the last few years because I think it's pretty clear.

00:12:56.000 Biden has been a hugely disappointing, even disastrous president for them.

00:13:01.000 They've seen so many norms be overreached in the frenzy to go after Trump.

00:13:06.000 It's just all the energy is different.

00:13:09.000 The energy in 2024 is way off for the left.

00:13:13.000 They've lost their vitality as a movement.

00:13:15.000 Another one that I want to flag, this is another thing.

00:13:18.000 This is posted by Sean Maguire.

00:13:21.000 He is a partner or some, yes, he's a partner at Sequoia Capital.

00:13:25.000 That's a finance firm.

00:13:27.000 He also is a PhD in physics from Caltech.

00:13:31.000 And he's got about 100,000 followers on X.

00:13:35.000 And he just posted this almost the moment that the verdict went live.

00:13:38.000 And he posted, I just donated $300,000 to Trump.

00:13:43.000 I don't know how he broke that up, but he donated $300,000.

00:13:48.000 I'm $2,800.

00:13:48.000 So I want to know what towards the Trump cost.

00:13:51.000 He should learn about our ballot.

00:13:53.000 By the way, Andrew, can you send him a DM and be like, hey, you should learn about our ballot chasing projects.

00:13:56.000 Yes, do that.

00:13:58.000 And he said, I just donated $300,000 to Trump.

00:14:01.000 I'm prepared to lose friends.

00:14:02.000 Here's why.

00:14:03.000 He says, in 2016, I drank the media Kool-Aid.

00:14:07.000 I donated Hillary Clinton's campaign.

00:14:09.000 I voted for her.

00:14:10.000 In 2020, I was disillusioned and didn't vote.

00:14:13.000 I didn't like either option.

00:14:15.000 Now in 2024, I believe this is one of the most important elections of my lifetime.

00:14:23.000 And I'm supporting Trump.

00:14:25.000 And he says, it's a pretty long post.

00:14:28.000 I encourage you guys to find it.

00:14:31.000 In fact, I'll post a link for anyone who's watching on Rumble.

00:14:34.000 I will put the link right there so you guys all can read it.

00:14:37.000 And he just says, it's the most important election of my lifetime.

00:14:41.000 I refuse to live in a society where people are afraid to speak.

00:14:45.000 And I think that is an idea a lot of people are picking up on that they understand Trump was not targeted because he was a criminal.

00:14:54.000 He was targeted for what he said, what he's done as a politician, what he threatens to do as a politician if he is elected again.

00:15:01.000 He was targeted for political reasons, period.

00:15:07.000 And people can intuit this.

00:15:09.000 And I think it's going to only get worse as this goes on.

00:15:13.000 The longer we get from the actual conviction, I think the more it's going to be entrenched in people's heads.

00:15:18.000 This is a political move.

00:15:20.000 Anytime anything bad happens for Biden this year, it's going to be the thought in people's heads.

00:15:25.000 Oh, no wonder he had to try to put Donald Trump in jail because his presidency is going south.

00:15:29.000 His presidency is a disaster.

00:15:31.000 So his only option was pulling a Latin American dictator and trying to throw the other guy in jail. 0.57

00:15:37.000 So I want to now, by the way, we have huge viewers right now across all platforms, and we are going to have Real America's voice.

00:15:45.000 We're going to join with them soon.

00:15:48.000 You guys can email us throughout freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:15:53.000 I want to play this.

00:15:53.000 This is one guy who says it's a majestic day.

00:15:56.000 A miracle is too strong of a word.

00:15:58.000 It's a day for celebration.

00:16:00.000 Enjoy your ecstasy because you are reaping a whirlwind.

00:16:06.000 Like at 147.

00:16:08.000 We've been holding our breath as a country for a long time, waiting for the cavalry to arrive in the form of the rule of law.

00:16:16.000 And it did arrive today.

00:16:18.000 And it's a majestic day.

00:16:20.000 And we are rightly saying the system worked like clockwork and the jury was diligent and attentive.

00:16:26.000 And the judge was firm and gentle.

00:16:30.000 Donald Trump is a different person now.

00:16:32.000 He's a convict.

00:16:34.000 He's not innocent until presumed guilty.

00:16:36.000 He is guilty.

00:16:37.000 He will get bail, it's true, but he's in a whole different status in society in the legal system, in the rule of law.

00:16:45.000 That's not only fitting, but a kind of miracle is too strong a word, but a really a day for celebration just because of the work like clockwork of the system, powered by not the personalities, but the law.

00:17:03.000 And that guy was going to go all Jeffrey Toobin.

00:17:05.000 And he was about to do something though.

00:17:10.000 You get it.

00:17:11.000 You get it.

00:17:14.000 By the way, the MAGA hat is incoming for all everyone.

00:17:17.000 It better be.

00:17:18.000 We're waiting, Charlie.

00:17:19.000 If you don't have it by the end.

00:17:21.000 I have a good excuse.

00:17:22.000 We have a two-week old that means tending to, and then the MAGA hat.

00:17:26.000 Do you have, maybe like a Sharpie you could draw it on your on your forehead?

00:17:30.000 If we should, I just should, I just, you know, write MAGA.

00:17:32.000 I think you need to get a Trump tattoo on your on your forehead.

00:17:35.000 Charlie yeah, that's uh.

00:17:38.000 So the the this, this. 0.92

00:17:39.000 Who is that lunatic? 0.68

00:17:40.000 By the way, who is this guy that the this guy that we just saw I mean, he was this awfully self self-pleasuring over this. 0.70

00:17:51.000 What was this guy's name anyway the?

00:17:53.000 The vibes for the Democrat Party seems to be completely off here.

00:17:59.000 So Andrew, there were reports and I want to make sure they're verified that there was celebration at the Biden reelection campaign headquarters.

00:18:08.000 Is is that correct and either of you can chime in here?

00:18:11.000 I saw a report about that.

00:18:12.000 I want to make sure it's verified.

00:18:14.000 Blake, you sent that.

00:18:15.000 Is that correct?

00:18:17.000 It's reported CNN.

00:18:19.000 I saw the image that they were celebrating.

00:18:21.000 I don't.

00:18:21.000 I didn't see any tape or whatever.

00:18:23.000 I assume they'd be celebrating.

00:18:25.000 They are liberals.

00:18:26.000 I hope they at least wanted this to happen.

00:18:29.000 It'd be pretty embarrassing if they'd already decided they didn't.

00:18:31.000 They didn't want Trump to be convicted already.

00:18:34.000 I do think it is an image that will age, well for us and badly for them.

00:18:40.000 I think that'll be the sort of thing on November 6th.

00:18:43.000 People will be posting it and thinking like good job guys, you screwed it up again.

00:18:48.000 Uh, that's kind of been a recurring thing With Trump, they'll badly want something to happen and it'll blow up in their face.

00:18:53.000 Remember, back in 2015, the Hillary Clinton campaign tried to encourage the Donald Trump candidacy because they thought he'd be the easiest guy to beat.

00:19:02.000 And they were regretting that a year later.

00:19:04.000 And I could easily see this being the case where they'll think, why did we convict this guy?

00:19:10.000 Why did we charge this guy?

00:19:12.000 Remember, the weakest point for Donald Trump between him leaving office and now, the weakest point for him was that window just after the midterm election where people were thinking Republicans didn't get their red wave.

00:19:27.000 Trump magic is fading.

00:19:28.000 This is the opportunity for others to step up.

00:19:30.000 And what slammed the door on that, what slammed the door on that, was Alvin Bragg and Fanny Willis and Jack Smith bringing these charges.

00:19:39.000 And that's what locked it in.

00:19:40.000 That after that, no question Trump was going to get renominated again.

00:19:44.000 Democrats chose to have Donald Trump as their opponent when they did that.

00:19:49.000 And now he's convicted.

00:19:51.000 Congratulations.

00:19:51.000 You guys got what you wished for.

00:19:54.000 And hope you enjoy it.

00:19:56.000 So I want to play that.

00:19:58.000 Alvin Bragg says he's just doing his job. 0.53

00:20:01.000 It is hard to put into words the craven nature of this lunatic, where he has allowed crime to go all throughout New York.

00:20:12.000 24,000 plus New Yorkers have been assaulted on the streets so far this year.

00:20:16.000 He has downgraded 53% of felonies to misdemeanors.

00:20:20.000 It is open season in New York, unless you are a political dissident, unless you have a political view that they don't like.

00:20:27.000 And I want everybody in the audience to understand, you may not like Donald Trump, but if you have any admiration for the United States of America, for our Constitution, for checks and balances, for consent to the government, for the tradition that built the West, then today is an outrage.

00:20:42.000 And there is only one option, which is you send a message in November that you still believe in our customs and our traditions.

00:20:50.000 It's not about voting for Trump.

00:20:52.000 It's about voting for the continuation or the obliteration of the United States of America.

00:20:56.000 Play Cut 150.

00:20:58.000 I did my job.

00:21:00.000 Our job is to follow the facts and the law without fear or favor.

00:21:05.000 And that's exactly what we did here.

00:21:06.000 And what I feel is gratitude to work alongside phenomenal public servants who do that each and every day in matters that you all write about and make the press and in lots of matters that you don't.

00:21:19.000 I did my job.

00:21:20.000 We did our job.

00:21:22.000 Many voices out there.

00:21:25.000 The only voice that matters is the voice of the jury, and the jury has spoken.

00:21:33.000 We are also now live on Real America's Voice.

00:21:35.000 Hello, everybody.

00:21:36.000 We are live.

00:21:36.000 And by the way, I know you're saying Charlie wears the MAGA hat.

00:21:38.000 It's incoming.

00:21:39.000 It's coming in.

00:21:40.000 So this is very important.

00:21:43.000 And Jack, I'm going to throw it to you.

00:21:44.000 Alvin Bragg ran on this.

00:21:46.000 Alvin Bragg told us this is what he was going to do.

00:21:49.000 He ran on a nakedly political election promise.

00:21:53.000 I will use political power to go after the opposition.

00:21:56.000 If his name was not Trump, he would not have been in trial.

00:21:58.000 They still can't tell you what the crime was.

00:22:00.000 The jury went 34 for 34 across the board in a rigged trial in zip code justice.

00:22:06.000 Alvin Bragg did the ditch-digging work of the Biden reelection campaign.

00:22:12.000 However, is it actually helping them?

00:22:15.000 Jack Posobiec.

00:22:16.000 So, Charlie, when Alvin Bragg says, I did my job, that's the first honest thing I think this guy has actually said in this entire process.

00:22:26.000 Yes, he did do his job.

00:22:28.000 He did his job for the far left, for the Marxists that are participating in an irregular communist revolution in our country right now.

00:22:37.000 What was his job?

00:22:38.000 His job was to make Trump have to wear this label like an albatross around his neck.

00:22:44.000 Now, going into the general election, hasn't even been nominated yet.

00:22:48.000 By the way, the sentencing, we haven't even talked about this yet, but the sentencing has now been scheduled for, I think, three days before the beginning of the Republican convention.

00:22:58.000 So this is just amazing.

00:22:59.000 And I want people to understand this.

00:23:01.000 I want people to be very clear, and I want you to look at it directly in the eye.

00:23:05.000 This is your country now.

00:23:06.000 You can do something about that this year, or you can lay back and have this be the rest of our future.

00:23:13.000 This is the rest of eternity for America will be like this.

00:23:17.000 Or you can actually fight.

00:23:20.000 And that's the end of the day because they want to put Donald Trump behind bars and deny him the ability to have that convention.

00:23:30.000 By the way, they know this will all get appealed on, you know, it'll all get overturned on appeal, maybe not at the direct level, but certainly at a higher court level.

00:23:38.000 But that's not the point.

00:23:39.000 The point is so that they get to run around and say, and you see these little Democrats already doing it, convicted felon Donald Trump, convicted Stephen King's running around out there running his mouth.

00:23:49.000 Stephen King hasn't written a good book in 40 years since the last time since Robert De Niro opened a movie that, you know, you have Donald Trump convicted felon.

00:23:57.000 And that's what Alvin Bragg's job was from the very start.

00:24:00.000 His job was to deliver this verdict.

00:24:02.000 That was also Judge Juan Rashon's job from the very start.

00:24:05.000 And I wouldn't be surprised if Juan Rashon's name finds itself on the shortlist for appointments to the federal bench by the Biden administration.

00:24:12.000 Of course, they wouldn't be so brazen as to do it this term.

00:24:15.000 But if Biden is somehow able to steal the election, then guess what?

00:24:19.000 They'll be doing that in the next term.

00:24:21.000 Look, all of this was rigged.

00:24:23.000 All of this was a predetermined outcome.

00:24:25.000 This is the same as the Soviet show trials in the Bolshevik years in the Soviet Union.

00:24:31.000 This is the same as when King Louie, King Louis, was given a quote-unquote fair trial.

00:24:36.000 And how did that work out for him and his wife?

00:24:37.000 Again, show trials are something the left has been doing for 250 years.

00:24:41.000 They just don't usually do them here.

00:24:44.000 Well, no, and especially against former presidents that are up in the polls that are building an amazing political movement.

00:24:50.000 Andrew, are you sensing any regret from the Biden campaign or the left?

00:24:56.000 It's interesting.

00:24:57.000 Have we seen the victory lap yet from powerful Democrats?

00:25:01.000 And I haven't seen, for example, and you guys, I want you to fact-check me.

00:25:05.000 Have we seen Obama, Pelosi, Clinton, Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries?

00:25:11.000 Have any of them commented on this yet?

00:25:13.000 I'm just asking.

00:25:13.000 I'm curious.

00:25:15.000 And because if not, that is very telling.

00:25:19.000 That is the power center.

00:25:20.000 That is the rod of power of the Democrat Party.

00:25:23.000 Again, these apparatches on television or whatever, but the ruling class of the Democrats have did, have they spoken out?

00:25:33.000 Have they said anything?

00:25:34.000 And by the way, in the audience, you guys can email us your thoughts in real-time freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:25:38.000 Andrew, have you seen that?

00:25:40.000 Hakeem Jeffries, yes, he said America is a nation built upon the rule of law.

00:25:44.000 The jury has spoken and carefully rendered a decision.

00:25:48.000 Responsible leadership requires the verdict to be respected.

00:25:52.000 And then Chuck Schumer has not issued a statement.

00:25:56.000 I know that the Biden campaign and the Biden White House issued a very just sort of a ho-hum statement.

00:26:03.000 It was not spiking the football, which was actually at odds from some of the original reporting saying that they were going to have a press conference and do a whole song of dance after the verdict.

00:26:15.000 That didn't happen.

00:26:17.000 I think what you saw on network, especially like MSNBC, CNN, you saw a moment of relief.

00:26:24.000 You saw a moment of ecstasy.

00:26:27.000 But I think after that initial reaction, I think their secondary reaction has been very muted at best.

00:26:37.000 I think they are seeing the writing on the wall.

00:26:41.000 Obviously, the energy on social media is crazy.

00:26:44.000 I mean, your Twitter account, everything you send out right now, it's like, I mean, they're just flying, right?

00:26:50.000 And that's going, that's not just you.

00:26:52.000 There's a lot of other people on Twitter that that's the way.

00:26:55.000 And they're seeing these, the fact that Donald Trump's website crashed because people were trying to donate.

00:27:02.000 I mean, so I think that they're seeing it.

00:27:04.000 They're seeing the blowback.

00:27:05.000 And now you're going to see it very muted.

00:27:07.000 They're going to say, well, this was just the rule of law.

00:27:08.000 Everybody's just following the facts.

00:27:10.000 No, they know that they very well could be the dog that caught the ambulance.

00:27:15.000 And now they don't know what the hell to do with it.

00:27:17.000 So there's one.

00:27:18.000 Look, there's a couple of things.

00:27:19.000 We need now to rally behind President Trump in record ways.

00:27:22.000 And that can happen in a couple of ways.

00:27:25.000 One of the ways is, again, at Real America's Voice, we're going to have a huge platform here.

00:27:29.000 Prepare cut one.

00:27:31.000 We have President Donald Trump, who is now a political prisoner and a martyr against the regime.

00:27:35.000 The regime that has made you poor, the regime that has sent your sons and daughters overseas needlessly and to foreign adventurous wars, the regime that has kept the border open, they have now tried to remove the one person that has decided to try to stand up for you and fight for you.

00:27:53.000 We are rallying behind him in Detroit, Michigan in two weeks, two weeks from today.

00:27:58.000 We have Avek Ramaswamy, Steve Bannon, Ben Carson, Candace Owens, Donald Trump Jr., and of course, President Donald Trump is our keynote.

00:28:05.000 Play cut one.

00:28:06.000 They are counting on your surrender.

00:28:10.000 If you give up, they win.

00:28:13.000 But what if we look back and we realize we were just inches away from victory, and that's when we decided to give up.

00:28:20.000 Join us and thousands of American patriots for the summer convention that all are involved.

00:28:28.000 You're going to hear how we're going to win in 2024.

00:28:31.000 Giving speakers in the movement, featuring President Donald J. Trump, Charlie Trek, Donald Trump Jr., the vote Ron Swamp, Governor Chris Dean Lowell, Dr. Ben Carsten, Telsey Gangler, Steve Bend, Candace Owens, Warren Trump, Senator Rick Scott, Kimberly Ginfoyle, Congressman Matt Gates, Billy Johnson, Jack Masoga, Louise Elton, Congressman Eon Trump, Brendan Tatum, and more.

00:29:00.000 June 14th through 16th, 2024 is our final battle in Detroit, Michigan.

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00:29:25.000 By the way, this is a 2020 MAGA hat, just so we are clear.

00:29:29.000 This is OG 45.

00:29:32.000 Charlie.

00:29:33.000 No, that hey, it's Charlie.

00:29:35.000 It says USA.

00:29:36.000 It doesn't say make America great again.

00:29:40.000 It is by definition not a MAGA hat.

00:29:43.000 No, no, remember when Trump went to the USA hat in 2020 for a little bit?

00:29:46.000 No.

00:29:48.000 That wasn't just during 2020.

00:29:50.000 It was during the administration because that was like, it's not a political hat.

00:29:54.000 It's like a USA hat.

00:29:55.000 So Blake's shaking his head.

00:30:00.000 Blake is right.

00:30:01.000 It's not a MAGA hat.

00:30:02.000 No, foul on the blue.

00:30:06.000 All right.

00:30:07.000 Everybody, get your tickets right now.

00:30:09.000 All of us will be there.

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00:30:15.000 We want to see you there.

00:30:16.000 It is the event of the summer.

00:30:18.000 It is for all of you.

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00:30:20.000 Detroit, Michigan, June 14, 15, 16, tpaction.com slash peoples.

00:30:25.000 Blake, I want you to riff.

00:30:26.000 It is Donald Trump, how should he handle this?

00:30:29.000 Should this now be a pillar of Donald Trump's campaign or should he just focus on Biden?

00:30:35.000 So I've had some thoughts about this, and we've talked about this off screen.

00:30:39.000 So I think the way that this could turn to Joe Biden's advantage is he would like the election to be a referendum on Donald Trump, purely on Donald Trump.

00:30:52.000 Because if he does that, well, you know, about 50%, maybe a little half, still don't, they unbalanced, don't like Donald Trump.

00:30:59.000 Donald Trump, most people are not going to, most people are not going to vote for him.

00:31:02.000 He probably won't get a majority.

00:31:04.000 And, you know, just make it focus on Trump himself.

00:31:08.000 And what he doesn't want, he doesn't want an election about Joe Biden because Joe Biden has like the lowest approval ratings of any president since, you know, like Bush at his absolute worst.

00:31:18.000 So he has disastrous approval and it's getting worse and it's a huge mess.

00:31:22.000 And most people, when polled, think Donald Trump was a better president than Joe Biden.

00:31:26.000 So he doesn't want a referendum on Biden and he doesn't want the election to be Trump versus Biden, who's better.

00:31:32.000 He would prefer it to just be all about Trump.

00:31:35.000 And what I will say is Donald Trump has great political instincts, but I do think one of his biggest weaknesses is he does sometimes conflate his own personal stuff with the stuff of national importance.

00:31:49.000 Now, this admittedly does blur the two.

00:31:51.000 But what I think is the biggest winning move for Trump is anytime like Joe Biden tries to bring this up in a debate, Trump says you're deflecting from the fact you're a disastrous president.

00:32:01.000 You've destroyed our reputation abroad.

00:32:04.000 You've wrecked the economy with inflation and everything else.

00:32:07.000 You let crime run wild.

00:32:09.000 You're trying to buy votes with like illegal amnesties on student loans, anything else.

00:32:15.000 And that's why you're trying to throw me in jail with this sham thing.

00:32:18.000 So you throw it in at the end, say, this is what you're doing because you're otherwise a disastrous president.

00:32:24.000 And everyone else who supports Trump, all of his surrogates, you, his vice president, his vice presidential pick, Vivek, Vance, whoever it is, all the rest of us, we're all going to be saying plenty that this is a rigged process to throw Donald Trump in jail because it is.

00:32:40.000 But for Trump himself, the key thing is I was a better president.

00:32:44.000 Joe Biden's a disastrous president.

00:32:46.000 And that's why he's trying to throw me behind bars.

00:32:48.000 And I think that's the winning message.

00:32:49.000 And you don't want to get bogged down where Donald Trump is saying, oh, the judge was biased.

00:32:56.000 This part of the trial was rigged against me.

00:32:59.000 Don't get into the thicket of stuff you're only going to understand if you are following this every day on television because most people weren't.

00:33:06.000 And they won't know for sure whether it's true or not.

00:33:09.000 But what they do know is Joe Biden's a terrible president and the country was better in 2018.

00:33:15.000 So Jack, I mean, I received, now I'd say the shock that I get from some people, the can't believe texts, the I don't understand texts.

00:33:25.000 I just kind of laugh.

00:33:26.000 And I got a couple of these recently.

00:33:28.000 And I'm kind of like, wait, hold on.

00:33:30.000 I mean, have you been living in the country last four years?

00:33:33.000 Peter Navarro's in federal prison.

00:33:34.000 They raided James O'Keefe's home.

00:33:36.000 They have Rudy Giuliani indicted, Mark Meadows, Tyler Boyer.

00:33:39.000 They're going after turning point action across the board.

00:33:41.000 They basically dissolved the NRA.

00:33:43.000 What country are you living at?

00:33:45.000 I can't believe.

00:33:46.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:33:47.000 The system of justice that we have bet our entire future on is not what we thought it once was.

00:33:53.000 And I think this is a deep point that we must explore tonight, which is that the left, all they cared about was using power and taking over institutions to then take over the country.

00:34:07.000 We have reverence for our documents, our traditions, and we've been afraid to entertain it.

00:34:14.000 And we've held up as this ideal, this holy ideal that our justice system will always save us.

00:34:20.000 Well, guess what, moderate Republicans?

00:34:23.000 You have bet on the wrong horse because the justice system won't save you.

00:34:27.000 The question is, can elections still save us?

00:34:29.000 I certainly hope.

00:34:30.000 Jack, I laugh at those text messages.

00:34:32.000 I imagine you've been receiving some of the same.

00:34:36.000 Charlie, it's so interesting to me because all throughout when I was down in Charlotte last weekend and we were actually with President Trump briefly, and then even just being on my phone this week, people all keep texting me, oh, do you think Trump's going to pull this out?

00:34:54.000 Do you think the jury is going to acquit him?

00:34:56.000 And I just keep responding, he's going to be found guilty.

00:34:58.000 And I was very consistent on that.

00:35:00.000 I was very consistent on air that, yeah, there's these, you know, kind of like what-if scenarios, sure, fine, but you know, more than likely he's going to be found guilty because show trial, show verdict.

00:35:11.000 And it goes, it reminds me of something that we find in the Bolshevik Revolution, where there's this line that says, even as the Bolsheviks were taking power, that so many people just followed the usual course of daily life without realizing that they would soon become the victims of the horrors that would befall them.

00:35:34.000 And that's written by Pyotr Rangel, who was the leader of the white army again that fought in the civil war against the communists.

00:35:41.000 And so it's this idea that when there's these rapid changes happening throughout history, and we dig into this in the book, that people who are so close to it and so much have their routine actually can't see it and actually can't realize that these things are going on.

00:35:57.000 But then those of us who have been tracking it on a daily basis, by the way, not just starting in 2020 or 2021 with what they've done to the J Sixers or what they've done to Doug Mackey, but even going all the way back to 2017 and some of the stuff that we don't even talk about anymore, Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, the list goes on to General Flynn.

00:36:19.000 Obviously, there's a movie out about that.

00:36:21.000 So the list goes on, but this has been happening since the very beginning of the Trump era.

00:36:27.000 And this idea, and by the way, many of the names like Andrew Weissman, who I guess we didn't play his clip, but we've been playing his clip all week on the other show, that this guy who said he had a huge man cross on Juan Rashon was intrinsically linked.

00:36:39.000 He was the guy who ran the Mueller investigation to begin with.

00:36:42.000 So there's been this cabal of people who've been attempting the detrumpification of America literally since the election was called on the night of, what was it, November 8th, 2016.

00:36:55.000 And so for those folks that are in our orbit, those folks that are in politics, those folks that are consultants, it's just you guys haven't even been on the playing field.

00:37:04.000 You haven't even been paying attention.

00:37:06.000 You want to run around and you've got so many of these Republicans and everybody knows them.

00:37:10.000 They want to talk about, oh, the war in the Middle East and whichever war of the week it is in the Middle East.

00:37:15.000 Or they want to talk so much about the insolvable borders of Ukraine.

00:37:20.000 Or they want to talk about, oh, such and such thing is going on and we need to defend the natives of East Timor.

00:37:26.000 Oh, the natives of East Timor. 1.00

00:37:28.000 It's like, guys, we get it.

00:37:29.000 There's all this stuff that's going on.

00:37:30.000 But what about the problem of the communists in our midst right now here in the United States?

00:37:35.000 And they say, oh, you're being mean.

00:37:37.000 Oh, you're talking too loudly.

00:37:38.000 Or, oh, Jack's just trying to get clicks.

00:37:40.000 Charlie's just trying to get more podcast downloads, whatever it is.

00:37:44.000 But at the end of the day, what happened here, Charlie, is that those of us that have actually been ringing the bell and sounding the alarm were just proven completely right and just given verifiable proof that, yes, we are living through the era of a regime.

00:38:01.000 And we are living through an era of a regime, an oligarchy, whatever you want to call it, that has decided to completely throw our republic out the window.

00:38:09.000 And for those of the people who are saying we shouldn't fight back and we shouldn't use reciprocity and we shouldn't be like them and we shouldn't lower ourselves to their level, we have to stick by our principles.

00:38:18.000 Everybody knows this.

00:38:19.000 You guys were wrong.

00:38:20.000 You've been a hindrance.

00:38:22.000 And if anything, you've actually kind of been aiding and abetting those of us that have actually been trying to take the fight to the enemy this entire time.

00:38:28.000 That's right.

00:38:29.000 Hey, guys, look, I delivered.

00:38:31.000 Hey!

00:38:33.000 Finally.

00:38:33.000 There it is.

00:38:34.000 Had to go into the archives and does Charlie have like Snapchat filters on right now?

00:38:40.000 I don't know.

00:38:41.000 Everybody point to the hats.

00:38:44.000 One screen grab of this.

00:38:45.000 One graphic.

00:38:47.000 Having Blake with the MAGA hat makes my year because it's a symbol.

00:38:52.000 And Andrew, I want to talk about this.

00:38:54.000 I am now going to wear this everywhere I go.

00:38:56.000 Every single one of you, you need to now get one of these.

00:38:59.000 Go down, donate at DonaldJ Trump.com.

00:39:02.000 And you need to go into the streets and to show this regime no.

00:39:08.000 F you, actually.

00:39:09.000 We're not going to put up with this. 0.99

00:39:11.000 We are not going to tolerate your nonsense or your BS. 0.53

00:39:14.000 We will not put up with this color revolution where you are trying to do a coup d'état. 0.89

00:39:20.000 This is not Haiti, where you can just displace the will of the sovereign.

00:39:24.000 You can just kind of come in and say, well, there's a plane waiting for you and we can get you to the Central African Republic or else we're going to take over the country.

00:39:31.000 The same playbook that the CIA has done in other countries, they're trying to do here.

00:39:36.000 And Andrew, I think this is very important that somebody asked me, they called me, they said, Charlie, is this going to be a positive or negative?

00:39:44.000 I said, it is what we make of it.

00:39:46.000 This could end up being a massive positive if we stay peaceful, we stay restrained, we resist the temptation from feds trying to make us be violent and all that nonsense.

00:39:57.000 And instead, we stay focused on action.

00:39:59.000 We chase ballots, we register voters.

00:40:03.000 I cannot wait to see the voter registration numbers after this.

00:40:06.000 Andrew, how should we act and talk about how it's more important than ever for us to speak our mind in public regardless of the cost?

00:40:15.000 Yeah, you actually put out a great tweet about this where you were like, step one, wear a MAGA hat.

00:40:20.000 Step two, go out in public.

00:40:21.000 Step three, have a conversation.

00:40:23.000 When people react positively to you wearing this hat, that's an invitation to then ask them, hey, are you registered to vote?

00:40:31.000 And you would be blown away by how few people are actually registered to vote, have a plan to vote.

00:40:38.000 That's what you're doing at Turning Point Action with the ballot chasing.

00:40:41.000 I mean, we're talking, by the way, people don't understand the scope of the ballot chasing, Charlie.

00:40:46.000 I mean, the potential is hundreds of thousands of ballots across three states.

00:40:50.000 We're talking huge, huge potential.

00:40:52.000 And I know you don't like to talk about that, but I think it's an important piece.

00:40:55.000 Hundreds of thousands of ballots across three states, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin.

00:41:00.000 There's other people doing great work in Pennsylvania.

00:41:03.000 Georgia's looking solid.

00:41:05.000 But I'm saying this stuff matters because we've been blown away just how few people have a plan to vote in this election, even if they're sympathetic to Donald Trump.

00:41:15.000 And here's the other thing.

00:41:17.000 You've seen indications from guys in pop culture, like The Rock.

00:41:21.000 You've seen Cardi B. You've seen other celebrities, Rappaport, Michael Rappaport, who's like TDS patient number one.

00:41:32.000 He's saying he's disappointed.

00:41:34.000 Stephen A. Smith.

00:41:35.000 You're seeing all the UFC stars.

00:41:36.000 You're seeing all the rappers.

00:41:38.000 You're seeing this like bubbling up happening.

00:41:40.000 And here's my prediction: that today was the straw that broke the camel's back.

00:41:46.000 And you are going to see a flood of pop culture, people that have had enough that are going to stand by their principles publicly.

00:41:54.000 They're going to own it.

00:41:55.000 And that stuff, on top of everything, on top of the grocery bills, on top of the gas bills, on top of the fact you can't afford a home, all of that stuff is going to add up.

00:42:04.000 And it is going to create a momentum that we have never seen in this movement.

00:42:10.000 Now, here's the caution.

00:42:12.000 The caution is this is still a game about putting ballots in a box.

00:42:18.000 This is still about putting pieces of paper in a month-long span in a box.

00:42:22.000 Advantage Democrats right now.

00:42:24.000 Advantage Democrats.

00:42:25.000 So, yeah, we win the persuasion game.

00:42:28.000 We win the sympathy game.

00:42:30.000 We win the fact that people don't like these tyrants game.

00:42:33.000 We win all of those things, and we're going to win this pop culture bubbling up game.

00:42:38.000 But it's ballots in a box, and they still have us beat on that because they've been ramping it up basically for 20 years.

00:42:45.000 They've had this plan for 20 years, and they executed it flawlessly in 2020.

00:42:49.000 And we're trying to counteract that.

00:42:51.000 But that's why wearing this hat in public, that's why speaking your mind in public is so important right now because there's so much meat on the bone.

00:42:58.000 So many people are not registered to vote yet.

00:43:00.000 We can make a difference.

00:43:01.000 This audience, right now, we have tens of thousands of people watching.

00:43:04.000 Everybody get out there, start registering one person a day, and that could make all the difference.

00:43:09.000 Just yesterday, I met one of my neighbors and we got registered.

00:43:12.000 Blake, your thoughts?

00:43:13.000 Well, I'm just, I want to be even more emphatic.

00:43:16.000 This, it is basically a guarantee the loser of this fall's election will have a number of supporters who supported them, said they liked them, but just didn't vote.

00:43:27.000 And the number of those people will be greater than the amount they lose this election by.

00:43:31.000 This will be the case for either Trump or Biden.

00:43:33.000 Who would you rather it be?

00:43:35.000 I think I would rather have it be Biden, who that applies to, who has, he could have made it if his supporters turned out, but they just didn't.

00:43:43.000 But instead, like we, you see this all the time.

00:43:45.000 You'll see these people who will say, I like Trump, but I'm not going to bother voting because they're just going to rig it.

00:43:51.000 Those are people who want to psychologically, they've psychologically already lost.

00:43:55.000 They think that they can somehow win by not bothering to try.

00:43:59.000 And by not bothering to try, this shows that they aren't letting the regime control them or emotionally manipulate them.

00:44:08.000 Here's what I would say.

00:44:09.000 If the Democrats could just rig the entire thing from top to bottom, they actually wouldn't need to bother throwing Trump in jail.

00:44:15.000 Because why bother?

00:44:17.000 Why make everyone angry?

00:44:18.000 Why put everything at risk when they can just rig the whole thing anyway?

00:44:21.000 They did this because they think they can lose.

00:44:23.000 They think throwing Trump in jail will somehow help them this fall.

00:44:27.000 And it is our job to make sure that they are incorrect, that this backfires, that this blows up in their face.

00:44:33.000 But you only do that by actually going out to vote and making sure the people you know vote, and making sure the ones who are waffling and on the fence and indecisive or just don't they aren't good at following through on things by making sure that they vote, make sure that they actually become a piece of paper that goes into the box and counts for one point in the giant high score battle that is a United States election.

00:44:59.000 Well said and look, we're about to re-welcome REAL America's Voice here.

00:45:02.000 But it comes down to agency.

00:45:04.000 It comes down to your action.

00:45:06.000 What are you going to do?

00:45:07.000 Donating helps a lot.

00:45:08.000 Be part of the Clipboard ARMY and get involved at Tpaction.com.

00:45:13.000 They are, they are taking your country from you, and they already have. 0.99

00:45:17.000 And when you see Donald Trump guilty on all 34 counts, that is a gut punch to the Republic, a gut punch to you, to our founding fathers, to the sacrifices that many of you have given to this country.

00:45:29.000 We did not.

00:45:30.000 We do not have the best fighting force on the planet to go die and to go risk their lives for this nonsense.

00:45:39.000 Hello, everybody on REAL America's Voice as well.

00:45:41.000 We are now joining and combining forces.

00:45:43.000 We are going through the news of the day.

00:45:45.000 Donald Trump guilty on all 34 felony charges.

00:45:48.000 I want to play a couple pieces of tape here, but I want to say you guys can email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:45:54.000 And I have a question for the audience here.

00:45:57.000 Does this make you more likely to support Trump?

00:45:59.000 Does this make if the answer is yes, then you must also say, What is my plan of action?

00:46:06.000 What is my to-do list?

00:46:08.000 If every person in this audience said, I am mad as heck and I can't take it anymore, then you have to go find one new voter.

00:46:15.000 You have to go find two new voters.

00:46:17.000 Because as Blake said, the low propensity aspect of what is happening here will determine the 2024 election.

00:46:25.000 This country will be decided, will be saved, or it will be ruined based on how we act and what we do every single day from here on out.

00:46:35.000 That's why we are doing the Detroit, Michigan event, our Turning Point Action People's Conference at tpaction.com.

00:46:41.000 And so I want to go through some of the pieces of tape here.

00:46:44.000 I think it's very, very important.

00:46:46.000 And let's play this right here.

00:46:49.000 Very, very critical. 1.00

00:46:51.000 And we're starting to see these unhinged lunatics. 0.99

00:46:54.000 Let's go here. 0.99

00:46:56.000 Let's go to cut 157.

00:47:02.000 Today, when I was watching Donald Trump's face as the verdict was read and I was watching as the jury filed out in front of him, I was struck by how not a single one of them from my vantage point looked at his face.

00:47:16.000 They either looked straight ahead or they looked down as they passed by him.

00:47:20.000 I never saw a juror look directly in his eyes.

00:47:25.000 And you have to imagine now what those jurors have to wonder what they must be feeling.

00:47:30.000 The weight of getting up and knowing that you have to make this decision alone, how heavy that must have been to get out of bed and to understand that you, a decision that you make could change the course of American history.

00:47:41.000 Who knows how it's going to affect the election, but a decision you make will have some effect.

00:47:48.000 Direct election interference is the effect that it does have.

00:47:53.000 And so today, as we say, this was an attempted judicial and legal assassination.

00:48:00.000 Some of you in the audience remember where you were when you heard the news that they killed JFK.

00:48:05.000 You remember where you were on 9-11.

00:48:07.000 This is an equally as significant day.

00:48:10.000 You will remember the day.

00:48:12.000 You will remember what you were doing when you heard the news because it has never happened before in American history.

00:48:17.000 And you know what the crime truly is? 0.99

00:48:19.000 The crime is that Donald Trump is a class traitor. 1.00

00:48:23.000 Donald Trump is a billionaire who did not play ball. 0.97

00:48:26.000 He's a billionaire that did not go along with the neoliberal agenda, who defected from ways that what he was supposed to do and instead went to go fight for the everyday American.

00:48:37.000 I want to play another piece of tape here, but first I want to throw it back to Jack before I do.

00:48:41.000 In the audience, you guys can email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:48:45.000 And we want to hear from you guys directly because the audience is fired up and you should be.

00:48:51.000 Jack, what is the true crime that Donald Trump committed?

00:48:54.000 It's not documents.

00:48:55.000 No, no, no.

00:48:56.000 It's Something much more serious. 0.99

00:48:57.000 Donald Trump is a class traitor, and Donald Trump has decided to challenge the bipartisan uniparty kingdom of Washington, D.C., and they want to put him on show trial, and they want him dead because of it. 0.99

00:49:10.000 Jack Posobiec. 0.99

00:49:11.000 I'd like to, I'll paraphrase Dave Chappelle, what he said on SNL, because I think it really puts it best.

00:49:19.000 What Donald Trump did, that's his greatest and most unforgivable sin to the ruling class in this country, is that he left the ruling class and he got up on a stage and he got up in front of a microphone and he went to the regular people of America, the people of Middle America, the people of the South, the people who are not the bi-coastal elite, and he said to them, you know something?

00:49:45.000 Every single thing you think that's rigged about our system is exactly correct.

00:49:52.000 In fact, it's actually worse.

00:49:55.000 And then, and this is the convincer, because they said, and you want, and he said, you know how I know it?

00:50:01.000 Because I was one of the guys in part of the system.

00:50:04.000 I was part of the system too.

00:50:06.000 I was part of this.

00:50:07.000 I was part of the wheeling and dealing.

00:50:09.000 But now I'm going to fight for you against that system.

00:50:14.000 And we saw this again and again.

00:50:16.000 Look, he took down, which dynasty did he take down first?

00:50:19.000 It wasn't the Clintons.

00:50:20.000 Everybody thinks that.

00:50:21.000 It's not true.

00:50:22.000 It was the Bushes.

00:50:23.000 He goes after the Bushes and then he goes after the Clintons.

00:50:26.000 And it's to go beyond surface level and it's beyond the scope of what we're talking about tonight.

00:50:30.000 But you have to understand the power infrastructure that he took on in this country that's represented the Bushes and the oil money and the military industrial complex, the Clintons and their New York finance and the Northeastern, the old money, the blue blood money.

00:50:50.000 He took on all of that and all of those systems and he showed he could win.

00:50:56.000 And that's why, by the way, and just before we go to the next clip, I think it's very, it bears a lot of importance.

00:51:01.000 This, I think it was a PBS Marist poll that came out last, well, it came out today, but it was taken last week.

00:51:08.000 And it said 67% of voters say a guilty verdict in this case would not affect their vote, with 15% of respondents saying they would even be more likely to vote for Trump if he's convicted.

00:51:22.000 17% said they'd be less likely.

00:51:24.000 So you've got a lot of, you've got a real situation here where you can see it's galvanizing support among a certain amount of people.

00:51:31.000 And for another amount of people, it isn't really having any net effect on the election to begin with.

00:51:36.000 And that's because, Charlie, quite frankly, I think going into this, people assumed Trump would be found guilty for different reasons, right?

00:51:43.000 The liberals assumed he'd be found guilty because they always think he's guilty.

00:51:47.000 And conservatives saw it as the show trial.

00:51:49.000 You're not going to see a big difference.

00:51:51.000 Hold on, one sec.

00:51:52.000 Andrew, I'm going to throw to you in a sec, but one second.

00:51:53.000 This is very important that Donald Trump got more popular as the trial went on.

00:51:56.000 This was baked in.

00:51:57.000 This isn't New York.

00:51:58.000 This wasn't a trial in New Orleans.

00:51:59.000 This wasn't a trial in Jackson, Mississippi.

00:52:02.000 This is New York City, one of the most liberal cities on the planet.

00:52:05.000 So let's be very clear about this.

00:52:07.000 This was baked in.

00:52:08.000 And so I want to ask two things very quickly.

00:52:10.000 And I want to ask the audience this, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:52:13.000 You can email me directly.

00:52:15.000 If they start to see that Donald Trump gets more popular after this, what are they going to do next?

00:52:20.000 Well, Newt Gingrich alluded yesterday that they're going to go to dramatic measures.

00:52:24.000 And I've said this before, that it's troubling to me that this regime has their back up against the wall.

00:52:34.000 Why?

00:52:35.000 You're about to see the most desperate measures of a ruling class that we have seen in our lifetime.

00:52:41.000 Because if this lawfare doesn't work and he raises more money and he gets more popular, play cut 166.

00:52:49.000 How minuscule this crowd was in Philly today?

00:52:53.000 It's like nobody wants to show up. 1.00

00:52:58.000 You think the average American is stupid? 1.00

00:53:01.000 I mean, you look at this doddering guy who clearly is only half the time in charge of what he's doing. 1.00

00:53:07.000 You look at his vice president, who may be cognitively fine, but she's just goofy. 0.64

00:53:12.000 And you say to yourself, what is it I'm supposed to get excited by?

00:53:16.000 And then you look at Biden inflation, which every American experiences every day, every time you go to the grocery store.

00:53:24.000 Every American.

00:53:25.000 So I don't care how many ads the Biden team runs.

00:53:29.000 They have trying to convince the rest of us that the things aren't as bad as we know they are because we're feeling in our pocketbooks.

00:53:37.000 When you have to, if you're a Democrat and you have to go to your base this hard, you are really on the edge of collapse.

00:53:46.000 Fewer, a comparable deal would be if a Republican had to try to shore up West Virginia.

00:53:51.000 And I think what you're going to see in the next few months is a, and that really worries me, frankly, that you're going to see a desperation when they come to realize nothing they're doing is going to work.

00:54:05.000 And they're confronted with the likelihood that Trump's not just going to win.

00:54:10.000 He's going to win big.

00:54:11.000 He's going to take in the Senate in the House.

00:54:13.000 And I think all of us ought to keep Donald Trump in our prayers because I think these people are desperate and I think they're dangerous.

00:54:21.000 I don't disagree.

00:54:23.000 Speaker of the House, New Kingrich.

00:54:26.000 Desperate and dangerous.

00:54:28.000 What are they going to try next?

00:54:30.000 In some ways, you almost want this election to be looking closer than it is because they might try something dramatic.

00:54:38.000 Andrew, there is an outpouring of support right now.

00:54:41.000 I want to go through this.

00:54:43.000 Sean McGuire donated $300,000 to the Trump campaign.

00:54:46.000 Lee Zeldin just secured an $800,000 donation for Trump's joint fundraising committee.

00:54:50.000 Tim Poole, I have just donated the maximum to Donald Trump.

00:54:52.000 Tucker Carlson says, import the third world, become the third world.

00:54:56.000 We just saw this won't stop Trump.

00:54:57.000 He'll win the election if they don't kill him first, and they're going to try. 0.95

00:55:00.000 Megan Kelly, guilty on all counts the country should be disgraced. 0.91

00:55:03.000 Scott Adams, I just donated to Trump.

00:55:05.000 The donation page crashed, by the way, crashed multiple times.

00:55:07.000 Tristan Tate, Trump donation page, quote a question mark link.

00:55:11.000 Piers Morgan, Trump's donation websites are crashing.

00:55:14.000 My guess is the verdict will propel him back into the White House.

00:55:16.000 And also, we talked about this, Andrew.

00:55:18.000 We had a great day with our ballot chasing program today.

00:55:20.000 Talk about this.

00:55:21.000 Yeah.

00:55:22.000 So add this to the list.

00:55:24.000 Jack Posobiec announced on this show, he max donated.

00:55:28.000 And then after this list that you just read, Tristan Tate has now announced that he has donated $200,000 to the campaign and breaking right here on this show, Turning Point Actions Ballot Chase Initiative.

00:55:44.000 And remind you, we are working directly in coordination with the Trump campaign.

00:55:50.000 That's a new FEC rule and regulation.

00:55:53.000 Charlie, I don't want to get over my skis there, but it's an extra.

00:55:56.000 They're allowed to work in harmony on doors and canvassing.

00:55:58.000 That's what the law says.

00:56:00.000 So those coordination efforts, right?

00:56:03.000 Three states, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, we're hiring hundreds of full-time staff chasing tons and tons of ballots, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands in those states could be determined.

00:56:14.000 It's a huge, huge undertaking.

00:56:16.000 We have today, after the verdict, over a million dollars raised.

00:56:21.000 Charlie, this is definitely your wheelhouse here.

00:56:28.000 I mean, I venture to guess you've never had it like at least this easy, this direct, this unsolicited at turning point in the history of the organization.

00:56:37.000 Massive momentum.

00:56:38.000 No, and it's people that the incoming is absolutely unbelievable of people that are traditionally center-right moderate donors asking, where do I donate?

00:56:46.000 How do I donate?

00:56:47.000 Where do I donate?

00:56:47.000 In fact, we had a billionaire that we asked for money a couple of weeks ago.

00:56:51.000 He said, I don't know.

00:56:52.000 I'm not on the Trump thing.

00:56:53.000 He just contacted one of our team members.

00:56:55.000 He said, so how do I make a contribution to turning point action?

00:56:59.000 Happened literally this afternoon.

00:57:02.000 I'm still getting people.

00:57:03.000 I say, Charlie, can you call me?

00:57:04.000 Charlie, can you call me?

00:57:05.000 My entire day tomorrow is hosting the show all afternoon.

00:57:08.000 It's going to be raising capital.

00:57:09.000 And by the way, we are going to have hundreds of full-time ballot chases.

00:57:12.000 We already have a huge amount here in Arizona and we're hiring it up in Wisconsin, expanding into Michigan.

00:57:17.000 And this is why we did the work for the entire year to scale up, to get ready for this.

00:57:22.000 And this, I cannot emphasize this enough.

00:57:25.000 And I know we're going to say goodbye to Real America's voice in just a second here.

00:57:27.000 Take this as conviction to go work.

00:57:32.000 Do something about it.

00:57:33.000 Get involved in your local GOP.

00:57:35.000 Show up at our turning point action event because Donald Trump, it's not about Trump.

00:57:39.000 He is the champion of our movement, our populist nationalist movement of disparate, different backgrounds, multi-ethnic, multi-generational, to consolidate it together to take back this great country.

00:57:57.000 So tpaction.com, that is tpaction.com.

00:57:59.000 If you guys want to get tickets to that, get involved in the grassroots.

00:58:02.000 Keep on fighting.

00:58:03.000 It's more important than ever.

00:58:05.000 This is the time.

00:58:06.000 This is an opportunity.

00:58:07.000 And what a message it would send to these people that tried so much to try to quiet you and silence you and shut up Trump to win in November.

00:58:17.000 And victory is possible. 0.62

00:58:19.000 Victory is possible and a legacy to leave your children and to defeat these savage maniacs.

00:58:24.000 Do something about it.

00:58:25.000 Blake, you have a thought.

00:58:26.000 Well, Charlie, that was all an inspiring speech.

00:58:29.000 That was all, I'm sure a lot of people liked it.

00:58:31.000 But have you considered this message?

00:58:34.000 This is just posted by Ambassador John Bolton, formerly of the Trump administration.

00:58:40.000 Today's verdict is a firebell in the night.

00:58:44.000 The Republican Party now has one last chance to change course and not nominate a convicted felon for president.

00:59:00.000 I'm sure he was making that sound when he made that tweet.

00:59:02.000 Going to jail, John.

00:59:04.000 He's going to jail, John. 0.74

00:59:06.000 And I am going to personally shave your mustache.

00:59:09.000 Correction. 0.99

00:59:09.000 I'm going to personally handcuff you and lather you up with shaving cream and shave it with a straight razor. 0.99

00:59:19.000 I endorse. 0.93

00:59:23.000 It's just unbelievable.

00:59:25.000 These, these weird people.

00:59:26.000 I mean, we know what JD Vance said in response.

00:59:28.000 He said, John Bolton has finally found a war that he doesn't want to engage in.

00:59:33.000 Exactly.

00:59:34.000 That's so good.

00:59:35.000 Retreat. 0.61

00:59:35.000 Run away. 0.61

00:59:37.000 It's not a war overseas. 0.60

00:59:38.000 It's a war that actually affects American people.

00:59:40.000 No, of course.

00:59:41.000 I mean, John Bolton has total contempt for the American people.

00:59:44.000 Look, you have to understand: neocons are Trotskyites that want to bring transformational Marxist ideas via missiles and via regime change because they have deeply troubled personal lives. 0.97

00:59:56.000 These are maniacs. 0.99

00:59:57.000 These are really perverse and sick people. 1.00

01:00:00.000 You know exactly who I'm talking about. 0.97

01:00:01.000 I'm talking about the people that have destroyed this country through neoconservative type ideas and policies.

01:00:07.000 And that, remember, Donald Trump was kind of a laughingstock until he went after Donald, until he went after Bush.

01:00:14.000 I want to play this.

01:00:14.000 I think it's important.

01:00:15.000 Hey, hey, Ryan, do we still have that piece of tape here that we cut earlier?

01:00:18.000 I think we did with Dave Smith.

01:00:19.000 I think this is very, very important to go back in history because the Bush junta, the Bush junta, John L. Ellis Bush from George H.W. Bush when he was alive to George W. Bush, they are now working in tandem with the ruling class regime and they are applauding what is happening here.

01:00:35.000 It's cut 142 that we had on radio earlier today.

01:00:39.000 This was when the game changed.

01:00:41.000 When Donald Trump did this, he went from a laughingstock to kind of like a guy leading in the polls to all of a sudden an existential threat to the status quo of the kingdom of Washington, D.C.

01:00:55.000 This was the clip that changed everything.

01:00:57.000 It happened in South Carolina, play cut 142.

01:01:01.000 Obviously, the war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake. 0.88

01:01:06.000 All right?

01:01:06.000 Now, you can take it any way you want.

01:01:08.000 And it took Jeb.

01:01:09.000 It took Jeb Bush.

01:01:11.000 If you remember at the beginning of his announcement, when he announced for president, took him five days.

01:01:16.000 He went back.

01:01:16.000 It was a mistake.

01:01:17.000 It wasn't a mistake.

01:01:18.000 It took him five days before his people told him what to say.

01:01:22.000 And he ultimately said, it was a mistake.

01:01:25.000 The war in Iraq, we spent $2 trillion, thousands of lives.

01:01:29.000 We don't even have it.

01:01:30.000 Iran is taking over Iraq with the second largest oil reserves in the world.

01:01:34.000 Obviously, it was a mistake.

01:01:36.000 So George Bush made a mistake.

01:01:38.000 We can make mistakes, but that one was a beauty.

01:01:42.000 And he went on to even say that George Bush might have also been responsible for 9-11.

01:01:47.000 Andrew, talk about this.

01:01:49.000 This was the original sin of Donald Trump, not him running.

01:01:54.000 As soon as he went after the Bush family and humiliated them and called out the neo-colonialist internationalist project of invade the world, invite the world, Donald Trump went from a comedy to a threat.

01:02:07.000 And today is just yet another chapter in their attempted eradication.

01:02:12.000 Liz Cheney, January 6th committee, George W. Bush with all of his cronies, John Bolton, his crime is disagreeing with them and calling out their foreign policy war crimes.

01:02:22.000 Andrew.

01:02:23.000 Yeah, I mean, it really was a before and after moment.

01:02:26.000 There was dogma within the conservative side of the aisle to defend our actions in Iraq until he went on that stage and said the unsayable.

01:02:37.000 And yeah, I mean, I think he's had a target on his back ever since.

01:02:39.000 People need to understand how much money is going through the military-industrial complex.

01:02:44.000 Think about this, Charlie.

01:02:46.000 This is the one tell, right?

01:02:48.000 So we end the war in Afghanistan, total humiliation. 0.52

01:02:51.000 Joe Biden botched the thing from start to finish.

01:02:55.000 And really, Donald Trump was the one that set up the ability to leave, and then Joe Biden botched it.

01:03:01.000 And Joe Biden did it on 9-11.

01:03:03.000 He thought it was going to be a big PR win, a big political boost.

01:03:07.000 It was anything but.

01:03:08.000 His poll numbers have never recovered.

01:03:11.000 As soon as we did that, we found another forever war to finance indefinitely, another endless quagmire in a faraway land.

01:03:11.000 But guess what happened?

01:03:21.000 Why?

01:03:22.000 Because the military-industrial contractors needed the money to keep going.

01:03:27.000 And so, and you mentioned JD Vance.

01:03:29.000 You mentioned JD Vance.

01:03:31.000 You know, he's sounding the alarm that we can't even keep up with it with the demand that's going out the door.

01:03:37.000 All this says is that the supply and demand will continue funneling money into the pockets of the oligarchy that is desperate for more war.

01:03:49.000 Yes, and I want to throw it to Jack really quick, but this is very important that, again, the high crime you can commit against the ruling class is challenge their war crimes.

01:03:59.000 And today, their conviction, why are they so afraid that Trump might not be president?

01:04:04.000 There were no new wars.

01:04:05.000 He might end the Russian-Ukraine war.

01:04:07.000 He might bring stability to the Middle East because he did it in the first term, Jack Posobiec.

01:04:12.000 So there's a story that's totally going to get overshadowed today.

01:04:17.000 And it interesting timing.

01:04:19.000 You know, what can I say?

01:04:20.000 Just very interesting timing.

01:04:21.000 Also, the fact that the Supreme Court's immunity ruling is coming down pretty soon that we hear.

01:04:25.000 Just very interesting timing all around.

01:04:27.000 Story that we shouldn't overlook, and the fact that we're talking about the very subject is that even the New York Times reported this morning that the Biden administration has now authorized Ukraine to use American weapons to conduct strikes on the territory of Russia.

01:04:45.000 So that doesn't mean these areas that they're currently fighting over.

01:04:49.000 It doesn't mean areas where they're, you know, where they have this dispute over, you know, is it annexed?

01:04:55.000 Is it Russian or is it Ukraine?

01:04:57.000 But Russia proper will now be attacked by U.S. missiles, potentially U.S. drones, other material that the United States has supplied.

01:05:09.000 And they specifically have been talking about these early warning radars.

01:05:12.000 They're going to be attacking Russia proper. 0.95

01:05:14.000 So the question is: how is the Kremlin going to respond to something like that?

01:05:19.000 They're bringing us to brinksmanship right now, today, and potentially being willing to actually escalate this proxy war that we're in into an actual hot war, all with the reason being that they know Donald Trump is coming back and they don't, they desperately don't want to stop what Andrew was just saying, the gravy train that they have going on.

01:05:41.000 Possibly, they would be willing to actually even start a wider war, start a wider war with Russia, so that if Trump comes in, that suddenly then if he's calling for peace and calling for an end to the conflict, they'll say, oh, he's a traitor.

01:05:57.000 This is all Russia's fault. 1.00

01:05:58.000 He's against America, et cetera, et cetera.

01:06:00.000 But we can see which side is escalating this at this point.

01:06:03.000 We can see it.

01:06:04.000 Biden to allow Ukraine to use U.S. weapons to strike inside Russia.

01:06:07.000 Again, this is the largest nuclear power on the face of the planet.

01:06:11.000 It is complete insanity.

01:06:13.000 And we have let these people run it.

01:06:15.000 We essentially, look, Joe Biden isn't actually running our government.

01:06:19.000 Our government, Joe Biden, is the CEO, the docile, weak, effect, overaged CEO of an organization that's being completely run by the dependos in the HR department.

01:06:34.000 I want to play a piece of tape here.

01:06:35.000 You guys can email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:06:38.000 This is from CNN talking about this verdict is uniting Republicans like never before.

01:06:43.000 This is thought crime.

01:06:44.000 So we have to, Blake, do you want to narrate that little chart that I sent?

01:06:48.000 Donate to Trump versus a certain Google chat chart.

01:06:51.000 I think it's hilarious.

01:06:53.000 So that one right here, the one I just sent.

01:06:55.000 So Google Trends will track what is being Googled.

01:06:59.000 Google Trends.

01:07:01.000 Google Trends is meeting biology.

01:07:06.000 Beating that biology is one way of putting it.

01:07:09.000 You could also say it's beating beating, if you catch my pun there. 0.99

01:07:14.000 Yeah, so normally boobs is a popular search term on Google. 0.82

01:07:18.000 People like to look up chesticles on the internet.

01:07:21.000 And so you can see if you look at the chart on the screen, the red line is boobs, popular search term, rises during the day, falls during the evening.

01:07:32.000 And so it had a pretty good day on the 29th and early this morning.

01:07:37.000 But today, today, donate to Trump rocketed past this extremely popular search term.

01:07:43.000 More than, looks like it about tripled it in popularity at its peak.

01:07:48.000 And it's fallen off.

01:07:49.000 They're about even right now.

01:07:51.000 It is a popular search term.

01:07:51.000 What can I say?

01:07:54.000 But it very much upset the internet.

01:07:56.000 A lot of people wanted to donate to Trump after today's events.

01:08:00.000 And yeah, he's beating the natural design, beating biology, you could say.

01:08:07.000 So look, this is very important.

01:08:08.000 And by we're getting tons of emails of people that are emailing us, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:08:12.000 Go to tpaction.com/slash peoples if you guys want to join us in Detroit, Michigan.

01:08:17.000 That is tpaction.com/slash peoples.

01:08:20.000 It is going to matter more than ever what we do with our agency, how we act, and what, honestly, what we're able to, the difference we're able to make in the states we live in.

01:08:31.000 Let's play CUP 169.

01:08:34.000 Well, if my phone and the text messages I'm receiving are any indication, every Republican in the country is mattering a wet hen.

01:08:41.000 I mean, people who are decidedly non-MAGA, not Trump fans, are blowing up tonight saying this case never should have been brought. 0.67

01:08:49.000 This is ridiculous charges.

01:08:51.000 It was egregious use of the criminal justice system.

01:08:53.000 And I mean, I'm hearing people say, I had no intention of voting for Donald Trump, and now I am.

01:08:58.000 And then if you ask the Trump campaign what's happening, they literally broke their online donation portal because people were rushing to the internet to give them money in the minutes after the verdict.

01:09:07.000 So I think there's a real chance here it's going to massively backfire on the Democrats and help Donald Trump.

01:09:15.000 I want to read this email that we received from an immigrant from Eastern Europe.

01:09:20.000 As a young child, just six years old, I vividly remember the joy and love my parents expressed about living in America.

01:09:25.000 Remember the pride we took in becoming an American citizen.

01:09:27.000 I remember the day I signed my name on the papers.

01:09:29.000 America was a beacon and was so good to us, a hope and example of the rest of the world.

01:09:33.000 Maybe when you're born here, you take it for granted, but when you work so hard through the legal system for a visa, a green card, and eventually citizenship, it's something you don't forget.

01:09:40.000 You treasure it and it's deeply personal.

01:09:42.000 So what does a day like this feel like?

01:09:44.000 How does an immigrant feel? 0.96

01:09:45.000 Well, it's all the more crushing.

01:09:47.000 The land that you love, with all that's in you, it hurts so much more.

01:09:50.000 This is bigger than politics and presidents.

01:09:53.000 It means the land you love is no longer the refuge from the land that you left.

01:09:57.000 When you quite literally leave everything behind except a suitcase because you believe that America would never fall the levels of your former home did, it's soul-crushing.

01:10:04.000 It's raw and it's real agony.

01:10:06.000 The more we love, the more we hurt.

01:10:08.000 Immigrants hurt more for America more because our love runs deep and we know what's on the other side. 1.00

01:10:15.000 We've lived it and we've seen it and today we hurt hard because we know what's coming.

01:10:19.000 Today we mourn and tomorrow we fight.

01:10:23.000 TPACI.com.

01:10:25.000 Andrew, what are we seeing here?

01:10:27.000 What is the general reaction?

01:10:29.000 This is not the vibe shift that the Democrats would have expected.

01:10:34.000 I do not see joy a celebration unless I see in the fringes of the Democrat circles.

01:10:39.000 This seems to be like bipartisan.

01:10:42.000 This seems to be across the board.

01:10:44.000 I want to say bipartisan, but at least with independents, this is not going well for the Democrats.

01:10:49.000 Andrew.

01:10:55.000 I can't hear Andrew right now.

01:10:56.000 Andrew, you're muted for whatever reason.

01:10:58.000 Charlie, sorry about that.

01:11:00.000 If the National Review is any indication, Rich Lowry, who is the editor of the National Review, famous anti-Trump, Never Trump website, they famously had that one cover with all the names of conservative influencers that some people on this show will never forgive or forget in 2016.

01:11:23.000 He's got it up on the top of the website.

01:11:25.000 Yes, it was rigged by Rich Lowry.

01:11:29.000 And it's basically saying this trial was rigged from start to finish and it was rigged to rig an election, all by Rich Lowry.

01:11:39.000 This is, to put it mildly, you don't see pro-Trump anything on this website.

01:11:45.000 Even the National Review, who are the most moderate of voices, and they like to consider themselves the smart kids, the cool kids, and immune from the MAGA cult, if you will, they think this is a travesty of justice.

01:12:02.000 So I think when we talk about how this is uniting the right, you've got the Nikki Haley wing that is uniting with the far-right MAGA, whatever you want to call them, the MAGA extremists.

01:12:15.000 Obviously, I use those terms in jest, but that's what's happening right now.

01:12:19.000 Everybody's on the same page except for like Megan McCain, Megan McCain and John Bolton.

01:12:24.000 That's all I've seen.

01:12:26.000 Literally, the two voices that you would consider right-leaning that are happy today.

01:12:31.000 Everybody else is really sad for the country.

01:12:35.000 So, Blake, really quick, people are asking questions on logistics of sentencing.

01:12:39.000 So, walk us through the details here, Blake.

01:12:41.000 July 11th, sentencing right before the RNC, where we're going to be in Milwaukee for that.

01:12:46.000 We're going to be there the whole week.

01:12:47.000 Walk us through the logistics of sentencing.

01:12:50.000 Could Donald Trump end up in a prison cell before the election?

01:12:53.000 What are the details here?

01:12:55.000 Let's try to not speculate.

01:12:56.000 Just lay out the facts because the audience is asking, asking, asking.

01:12:59.000 Lay it all out for us.

01:13:01.000 Okay, well, so as you say, they've set the hearing for sentencing on July 11th.

01:13:06.000 That's just before the RNC.

01:13:10.000 Now, that is the date set by the judge.

01:13:13.000 I suppose, in theory, he could be petitioned to move it a little bit one way or the other.

01:13:18.000 What Donald Trump was convicted of is a felony.

01:13:20.000 So, the amount of time he could be sentenced to, off the top of my head, I want to say it's one to four years.

01:13:26.000 It might be one to five.

01:13:27.000 It's not really over five.

01:13:29.000 In theory, I guess he could be like given a separate sentence for each of these.

01:13:33.000 That would be unfathomably insane, I think.

01:13:35.000 It's much more along the lines of they would all be stacked concurrently because they're all for the same thing.

01:13:41.000 He would appeal.

01:13:43.000 I assume, I assume Trump would appeal this.

01:13:45.000 It would be pretty reasonable that they would stay the actual incarceration pending the appeal.

01:13:53.000 That would be common for a case like this.

01:13:57.000 Now, nothing is absolute.

01:13:59.000 It's possible the judge could try to throw him in jail sooner.

01:14:03.000 It's possible the prosecution could argue that this should happen.

01:14:07.000 In theory, it's even possible they could order him to be incarcerated pending the actual sentencing.

01:14:13.000 That is all possible.

01:14:15.000 Currently, it hasn't happened, and I highly doubt they would do this.

01:14:18.000 I think they would sense that this would blow up in their face.

01:14:21.000 So, I guess a way of putting this is it is a bit uncertain what they will actually try to do.

01:14:26.000 My guess is they will make the calculation they should not push their luck and try to aggressively put him in jail as soon as possible.

01:14:35.000 And if it follows a normal course, appeals wouldn't be decided until after the election.

01:14:39.000 Got it.

01:14:40.000 That's super helpful.

01:14:41.000 Subscribe to our podcast here, everybody.

01:14:43.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:14:47.000 And I want to welcome back.

01:14:48.000 I think we now are on Real America's Voice, if I'm not mistaken.

01:14:52.000 We are now merged with Real America's Voice.

01:14:54.000 Hello, everybody.

01:14:55.000 Again, as we transition back in, this is a historic day.

01:14:59.000 This is an attempted legal and judicial assassination, and it's you that they are going after.

01:15:04.000 It is you.

01:15:05.000 It is the everyday American that they are going after.

01:15:10.000 And it's because your value system is a threat to the kingdom.

01:15:14.000 They do not want the commoner, the everyday American, to have a voice.

01:15:19.000 They do not want you to have a seat at the table.

01:15:21.000 And Trump brings you into the room.

01:15:24.000 And they have been relentlessly going after us.

01:15:29.000 It is a dark day, but it's what we do with today that will actually matter.

01:15:35.000 What we do with today will matter, and it's going to use our agency and our purpose.

01:15:39.000 And so make sure you guys join us in Detroit, Michigan.

01:15:42.000 Joining us now is Steve Bannon.

01:15:43.000 Steve, thank you for joining our program here.

01:15:47.000 We're also going live on Real America's Voice.

01:15:49.000 Steve, your reaction to this historic day.

01:15:52.000 Well, it's much like yours, Charlie.

01:15:54.000 We've got a lot.

01:15:55.000 We've got a lot to, you know, we've got to get very focused.

01:15:59.000 This is only going to be one by the Trump base.

01:16:05.000 We've got a lot of work to do, and people should just channel their anger.

01:16:09.000 And some despair, if they got despair, just get focused.

01:16:13.000 We have this to overcome, but we also are going to be inundated by the donor class and the rhinos and the neocons and the neoliberals. 0.76

01:16:23.000 You already see on Twitter.

01:16:25.000 You already see donors talking about trying to foist somebody on the ticket here and try to not let Trump beat Trump.

01:16:33.000 So it's a testing moment.

01:16:34.000 I actually think it's going to be very positive.

01:16:36.000 I think people see what a kangaroo court this is and what a show trial this is.

01:16:41.000 So I expect very good things out of our audience and our people.

01:16:44.000 And I think it's tonight, immerse yourself in Michael Cohen, you know, taking a victory lap on MSNBC and being held up as an American hero.

01:16:53.000 And you should embrace that and immerse yourself in it.

01:16:56.000 And then let's go to work tomorrow morning.

01:16:59.000 Going to work is the most important thing and understanding why they hate him.

01:17:04.000 And Steve, you are the best at this.

01:17:05.000 What is Donald Trump's true crime?

01:17:07.000 It's not some documents thing.

01:17:08.000 No, Donald Trump is a class trader.

01:17:10.000 Donald Trump is an ideological trader because he challenged, as you would say, the easy money regime, the internationalist adventurous wards.

01:17:18.000 So, Steve, what is Donald Trump's actual crime here?

01:17:21.000 It's not documents.

01:17:22.000 What is it?

01:17:23.000 No, he's a class trader of the neoliberal neocons and the progressive left, the globalist in New York City and Manhattan, that he went in first as a guy from Queens and upended the apple cart about how he actually get buildings made.

01:17:37.000 And then as a media figure and a guy who came back from some pretty tough times in the real estate market.

01:17:46.000 And then he became a class trader.

01:17:48.000 He was an insider.

01:17:49.000 They all said when he first started running, this was all to get a better deal on The Apprentice.

01:17:53.000 You remember back then, Charlie, we were getting beat up every day for being Trump supporters.

01:17:57.000 And here we are.

01:17:58.000 He's a class trader.

01:17:59.000 He has allowed working class people.

01:18:01.000 He's allowed the people at Wildwood, New Jersey, on the Bodega Run in South Bronx, when he went to Charlotte, the Coca-Cola 600.

01:18:11.000 He's allowed those four groups to come together and actually be in the room and take control of this country once again. 0.99

01:18:19.000 He's a traitor to those people, and he must be destroyed. 1.00

01:18:21.000 He must be destroyed. 1.00

01:18:23.000 The movement around him must be destroyed. 0.92

01:18:24.000 So, hey, for me, I think it's great.

01:18:26.000 It's a time for testing.

01:18:28.000 Here's what I know.

01:18:29.000 We cannot lose if we don't quit.

01:18:32.000 If we keep grinding and grinding and grinding, they can't beat us.

01:18:36.000 And right now, you see, I think the lawyer just had on is terrific.

01:18:40.000 They're going to try to throw Trump in jail for a couple of years.

01:18:43.000 They obviously said the sentencing for right before the Republican Convention.

01:18:47.000 You can already see the John Boltons of the world and a lot of the donors and a lot of the Reiners. 0.69

01:18:53.000 They're trying to force the big event here is going to be trying to force Nikki Haley on the ticket as his prime minister and saying they're going to need the stability of Nikki Haley.

01:19:03.000 So we got a lot of fights.

01:19:05.000 And tomorrow morning, I think people got to be very focused and just grind this.

01:19:09.000 This is going to be voter registration.

01:19:11.000 This is going to be all the ballot chasing you're talking about, Charlie, all the get out the vote, people signing up as election judges, election officials.

01:19:22.000 We're going to grind this one out.

01:19:23.000 But you look at the polls, I think more of the nation is going to come to our side, but you have to be a force multiplier to explain exactly what went on here and why they need to take Trump down.

01:19:34.000 I actually think it's a very sad day for America.

01:19:37.000 But in one regard, it's a very good day.

01:19:39.000 It's like the 2020 steal.

01:19:41.000 It puts everything on the table and everything's very clear now.

01:19:44.000 There's no middle ground here.

01:19:45.000 It's either our way to save this constitutional republic and hand on to future generations what was bequeathed to us, or are you going to live in a neo-Marxist, Stalinist type of country?

01:19:55.000 You see how they roll, and it can't be clearer.

01:19:58.000 So I think in regards, it's actually good because it clarifies.

01:20:02.000 It clarifies.

01:20:03.000 I want to throw a jack here, by the way, in the audience. 0.63

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01:20:17.000 A show of force for Donald Trump.

01:20:19.000 Show up in major numbers here.

01:20:21.000 Jack, you have some thoughts.

01:20:23.000 Yes, Steve.

01:20:24.000 You know, when we put together this book on a communist revolution, people said, Why are you putting together something like this?

01:20:31.000 And I said, Because that's what we're living through.

01:20:33.000 And there were times where people, you know, even pushed back on that.

01:20:36.000 And then all of a sudden, I've experienced this.

01:20:39.000 Charlie's experienced this so far in the last 24 hours or so.

01:20:42.000 And I wanted to see if you'd experienced this as well.

01:20:45.000 That a lot of the GOP consultant class types and the fundraiser types and the Hill apparatchic types are texting me saying, Oh my gosh, I couldn't believe that this happened.

01:20:56.000 I'm so stunned.

01:20:57.000 I never believed they would actually find him guilty.

01:20:59.000 Steve, why are there so many people in the professional Republican class that didn't see this coming?

01:21:07.000 Because they're not engaged.

01:21:09.000 They're not engaged at all.

01:21:10.000 They're at a very superficial level.

01:21:11.000 This is one of the, when you control opposition, you don't have to be down in the trenches.

01:21:17.000 Anybody that spent a second on this knew this day was coming.

01:21:20.000 And they knew there were going to be 34 charges and they knew exactly how they're going to spend it.

01:21:24.000 They knew how Richard Mehta was going to do it.

01:21:26.000 They knew how Andrew Weissman was going to do it.

01:21:28.000 They knew how Tish James was going to do it.

01:21:30.000 All the way from Jamie Raskin to Arizona to Michigan to Georgia to what's happening in South Florida to what's happening on the Supreme Court now.

01:21:38.000 If you're in this fight, it's very obvious what happened.

01:21:42.000 It's also obvious how we get out of here.

01:21:44.000 The people that text you today, I can't believe this happened, they don't matter.

01:21:48.000 All they are is a bunch of hangers on.

01:21:50.000 Okay?

01:21:50.000 All they are is hangers on.

01:21:52.000 They're not in this fight with any passion.

01:21:54.000 They're not in this fight with any courage.

01:21:55.000 They're not in this fight with any spirit or any soul. 0.99

01:21:59.000 And to hell with them. 0.95

01:22:00.000 All they're going to do now is run around and whine and cry and say, You need the Nikki Haleys where we don't need any of those people. 0.99

01:22:07.000 They're not going to have an option not to vote for Trump because they're not going to vote for to vote for the other side means they wouldn't get a job at all.

01:22:14.000 If the Republican Party listens up here, we got a way to victory.

01:22:18.000 And that way to victory is pure MAGA.

01:22:21.000 This is going to take a fight.

01:22:22.000 And only MAGA fights.

01:22:23.000 Only MAGA's got the guts, the backbone, right?

01:22:26.000 The BDE to get this done.

01:22:28.000 And right now, it's going to be a time of testing.

01:22:30.000 And these writers have got to get out of the way, hold our beer.

01:22:33.000 Let us get it done.

01:22:34.000 Because I'm going to tell you, their pressure to basically detrumpify the second term to get more consultants around him, to get more pollsters around him, to let the McCarthys come back and to get Nikki Haley on the ticket as prime minister is going to be overwhelming.

01:22:49.000 That's why I think the People's Convention next week, it couldn't be, it will be historic just given the timing because there's going to be a ton of throwdowns there.

01:22:58.000 Right now, we've got to fight against the neoliberal neocons as we also have to go against these globalist elitists that are trying to steal our country.

01:23:06.000 And look, it's a fight I like.

01:23:08.000 I look at the math.

01:23:09.000 I like who's on our side of the football.

01:23:10.000 And I know we can win.

01:23:11.000 If we don't quit, we're going to win.

01:23:15.000 That's exactly right.

01:23:16.000 So, Jack, Jackson, really quick, I just want to reiterate, and then I'll throw it back.

01:23:19.000 Get your tickets to the People's Convention, tpaction.com/slash peoples.

01:23:22.000 Back to you, Jack.

01:23:24.000 Steve, what do you think the next move should for Trump be?

01:23:27.000 Should he lay low?

01:23:28.000 Should he do another rally?

01:23:30.000 We know there's this press conference tomorrow, but there's a couple of weeks between now and the People's Convention.

01:23:36.000 What do you think his next move should be from a political campaign?

01:23:42.000 I think he's got to go out.

01:23:44.000 I would like to see a press conference tonight, but he's going to do it tomorrow at 11 o'clock while I was recovering that live.

01:23:49.000 I think he's got to come out, make his case, and say that he is more focused than ever.

01:23:54.000 Talk about what Charlie just talked about, the political assassination, why this is a persecution.

01:23:59.000 Make that case.

01:24:00.000 And then I think what I think before a rally, I think he's got to sit down with his campaign in the arms.

01:24:05.000 I'll be brutally frank.

01:24:06.000 I don't see a campaign.

01:24:08.000 I don't see a campaign in the States.

01:24:09.000 I really don't see a campaign in the campaign.

01:24:11.000 What I see is people like Gavin Wax and Dish Bureau coming up to these amazing events in the New York City area.

01:24:18.000 What do you think?

01:24:19.000 I think he has to do is what is RNC?

01:24:21.000 He has to have a very serious strategy meeting.

01:24:24.000 And I think it ought to be tomorrow afternoon, right?

01:24:26.000 And say, okay, exactly, walk me through in detail where we stand at the state levels.

01:24:31.000 And I want to know where we stand on voter registration.

01:24:34.000 I want to know where we stand on get out the vote.

01:24:36.000 I want to know where we stand with ballot chasing.

01:24:39.000 I want to know specifically district by district in these 25 major districts.

01:24:43.000 Where do we stand with their mail-in ballots?

01:24:46.000 Where do we stand with election officials?

01:24:48.000 Where do we stand with lawsuits?

01:24:49.000 Where do we stand with all this?

01:24:51.000 And it ought to be the RNC and his campaign.

01:24:53.000 It's time to get focused now.

01:24:55.000 I mean, we have to be maniacally focused.

01:24:57.000 There's not a minute to waste between now and then.

01:25:00.000 He does that.

01:25:01.000 And then I think you do some rallies, but I also think you ought to do some town halls, right?

01:25:05.000 And I don't think we need to have a lot of people in the streets.

01:25:08.000 I don't think, you know, people call me night.

01:25:09.000 We ought to have bus tours.

01:25:12.000 That's fine.

01:25:13.000 People are motivated enough.

01:25:14.000 And if they're not motivated by this, they're not going to be motivated.

01:25:17.000 We need serious people.

01:25:18.000 What you guys have been doing at Turning Point USA.

01:25:21.000 And I hope we hash this out next week at the People's Convention.

01:25:24.000 That's why I think it's so timely in the workshops of final.

01:25:27.000 It is now whoever works the hardest, whoever is the most focused, whoever is relentless and will not give up is who's going to win in November.

01:25:36.000 And right now, I think we have the passion of people.

01:25:39.000 I know my phone's blowing from people that want to volunteer, that people want to get to work.

01:25:42.000 It's not about writing checks.

01:25:44.000 The money is not going to win this.

01:25:46.000 Elbow grease and manpower and spirit is going to win it.

01:25:49.000 So I think we just get to channel all that energy, channel all that anxiety, channel all that despair, and just channel it into work, work, work.

01:25:58.000 If we don't quit, we use our agency and we're action, action, action.

01:26:01.000 We're going to win this thing.

01:26:03.000 Final thoughts here, Steve.

01:26:05.000 This is an unusual question, but I think it's important.

01:26:08.000 I think this will be a net positive if we allow it to be one.

01:26:11.000 What are major errors that could be done?

01:26:14.000 The uniparty trying to weaken our movement, infiltration?

01:26:17.000 Give us a threat analysis here of things we should be looking out on the horizon of how this could fumble this, because this very well is trending as if it's going to be a positive.

01:26:28.000 Final thoughts, Steve.

01:26:30.000 It could be verbal.

01:26:31.000 Number one, for ourselves, for MAGA, for the posse, for the deplorables.

01:26:36.000 Don't get off key.

01:26:37.000 This is all still.

01:26:39.000 We knew this day was coming, what Jack Musovic said.

01:26:42.000 This does not surprise us.

01:26:43.000 We are not shocked.

01:26:44.000 We are not sitting there in the fetal position or sucking on a thumb.

01:26:48.000 We knew this was going to happen.

01:26:49.000 They got three things.

01:26:50.000 They have law fair, they have the big steal, and they have wagged the dog.

01:26:54.000 That's the three.

01:26:54.000 They can't win any other way.

01:26:56.000 They can't win in any legitimate process.

01:26:58.000 Okay?

01:26:59.000 So they have to have an illegitimate process. 1.00

01:27:01.000 That's what they'll do.

01:27:02.000 It's either law fair, it's the steal, or have some sort of October surprise or, you know, wag the dog.

01:27:10.000 If we are relentless in all three of those verticals of not letting it happen, they can't beat us.

01:27:15.000 Now, unfortunately, we do have a problem, a specter, and that's the neoliberal neocons that President Trump just defeated, right?

01:27:25.000 And they are going to come back.

01:27:26.000 You know, Nikki, there's no coincidences.

01:27:29.000 Nikki Haley wasn't in Israel the last couple of days signing bombs, right, to drop on Hamas.

01:27:34.000 And her visit was like a state visit.

01:27:37.000 Okay.

01:27:38.000 The timing of that from them was impeccable.

01:27:41.000 Also, did they in action history look?

01:27:43.000 What they have six or seven bayonaires are now signing up.

01:27:46.000 All these bayonets are all of a sudden in love with Trump.

01:27:48.000 Well, what they're really in love with, they're really going to in love with getting a neoliberal neocon on the ticket as his VP, saying you need to do that to bring people together.

01:27:57.000 And that is, and she is going to try to be the prime minister of the second term.

01:28:02.000 So we have to be on guard with that and say that's not going to happen.

01:28:05.000 It will not happen. 0.90

01:28:06.000 She is unacceptable in every aspect. 1.00

01:28:09.000 Every neoliberal New York con is also, and we need full MAGA on that ticket. 1.00

01:28:14.000 So those are the two things.

01:28:15.000 And just channel your energy and don't chase rabbits.

01:28:18.000 Right now, we need maniacal focus, and that focus is on blocking and tackling.

01:28:23.000 No 30-second spot, no TV buy, no magical kind of internet apparatus or internet content is going to, no means, right, are going to change this.

01:28:34.000 This is going to be back to basics.

01:28:36.000 This is going to get at your base and also bring over those people that right now are just going through their own beginning of their great awakening.

01:28:43.000 And that is nothing but old-fashioned get out the vote, chase ballots, make sure we have election officials there, get in everybody's face about these valent ballots, make sure everybody's on top of it, and the lawyers get lawyers signed up.

01:28:55.000 And finally, let's stop kidding ourselves.

01:28:58.000 Look at these states.

01:28:59.000 Look at Arizona.

01:29:00.000 Look at Nevada.

01:29:01.000 Look at Georgia.

01:29:01.000 Look at Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

01:29:04.000 What is going on?

01:29:05.000 Who's responsible?

01:29:06.000 What's going to happen?

01:29:07.000 We don't need thousands of rallies.

01:29:09.000 What we need now is good, old-fashioned work.

01:29:11.000 If we do not quit and we execute on that and we can execute on it, we're going to win and we're going to win big.

01:29:19.000 Steve, thank you for, I know you got to run here and you got a big show tomorrow on War Room.

01:29:24.000 And we're going to be doing this People's Convention here.

01:29:26.000 And it requires public displays of support and using our agency.

01:29:31.000 This is one of the most important things happening in the country right now.

01:29:34.000 And that's why we're rallying in downtown Detroit.

01:29:37.000 And Steve, we want Detroit to be Bronx 2.0, where we have a ton of blacks and Hispanics that are coming to the event, black patriots and black Americans that are coming.

01:29:47.000 It's going to be really great, Steve.

01:29:48.000 So thanks for your leadership, Steve, and thanks for your time.

01:29:50.000 See you tomorrow.

01:29:52.000 The timing couldn't be more perfect.

01:29:54.000 If we use the People's Convention as a springboard, then we're going to win this. 0.92

01:29:59.000 And we've got to use it as a springboard.

01:30:00.000 So Charlie, thank you and all the team for setting it up.

01:30:03.000 I'll see you guys tomorrow.

01:30:04.000 And I'll pass the baton off to you guys at noon.

01:30:06.000 Jack, you at two.

01:30:07.000 We'll back at five.

01:30:07.000 See you guys tomorrow.

01:30:09.000 Love it.

01:30:09.000 Thanks, Steve.

01:30:10.000 And I just want to reiterate that.

01:30:11.000 It is the People's Convention.

01:30:12.000 This is the rallying point over the summer that is going to launch us into the election.

01:30:20.000 Andrew and Blake, you guys didn't get a chance to chime in there.

01:30:22.000 Thoughts?

01:30:22.000 Either one of you?

01:30:23.000 No, I want to just mention the springboard.

01:30:27.000 Steve said it's going to be a springboard.

01:30:29.000 You know, yeah, there's going to be A-plus list speakers there, right?

01:30:33.000 You're going to have all the biggest names in the movement, but people are going to be really blown away if you go to this event that there are going to be massive coalition buildings, volunteer opportunities, precinct strategy.

01:30:45.000 You're going to have a chance to get plugged in there.

01:30:47.000 And then get a full-time job.

01:30:49.000 If you live in the territories where we're chasing ballots in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona, you could have a full-time job saving the Republic.

01:30:58.000 So get off the couch, get to Detroit, especially if you live in that blue wall.

01:31:03.000 Get to Detroit.

01:31:05.000 There's going to be action, Everything.

01:31:09.000 Charlie, I've never seen an event from Turning Point, whether that's USA or Turning Point Action, where so much time has been devoted to the breakout sessions.

01:31:18.000 It's incredible.

01:31:19.000 And you're going to be meeting all the orgs on the ground.

01:31:21.000 We're partnering with everybody.

01:31:23.000 And then, like I said, get a full-time job saving the Republic.

01:31:26.000 Couldn't be any better.

01:31:27.000 Yeah, it's almost worth playing this again.

01:31:29.000 And I think we're still on Real America's Voice here.

01:31:31.000 Just really quick, just play in the trailer to guys get you tickets right now.

01:31:33.000 tpaction.com.

01:31:35.000 That's tpaction.com.

01:31:36.000 Get your tickets.

01:31:37.000 Let's just play cut one.

01:31:39.000 They are counting on your surrender.

01:31:43.000 If you give up, they win.

01:31:46.000 But what if we look back and we realize we were just inches away from victory?

01:31:50.000 And that's when we decided to give up.

01:31:52.000 Join us and thousands of American patriots for the summer convention that all are involved.

01:32:00.000 You're going to hear how we're going to win in 2024.

01:32:04.000 Biggest speakers in the movie.

01:32:06.000 Deejo, President Donald J. Trump, Charlie Trump, Donald Trump Jr., The Vote Run Swamp, Governor Christine New, Dr. Benny Carson, Joseph Gang, Steve Bennett, Team DeSones, Ronald Trump, Senator Rick Scott, Kimberly Ginfloy, Congressman Matt Gates, Benny Johnson, Jack Masoka, Louise Oak, Congressman Elon Trump, Brandon Tatum, and more.

01:32:33.000 June 14th through 16th, 2024 is our final battle in Detroit, Michigan.

01:32:39.000 The great silent majority is rising like never before.

01:32:43.000 Join us for the People's Convention.

01:32:45.000 This is a new ballgame, everybody.

01:32:47.000 You send a message.

01:32:49.000 We play to win.

01:32:54.000 And there might be some rallies between then and there.

01:32:59.000 Blake, I think this will be the first major event post-Trump conviction.

01:33:03.000 Again, there might be a rally or two, but we're coming to the first major event where we could have almost unlimited capacity here.

01:33:12.000 Not unlimited, but we could really get big if we have the space.

01:33:15.000 It's the Huntington Convention Center in downtown Detroit.

01:33:18.000 Blake, this is pretty big.

01:33:20.000 I think it will be a great opportunity for, if there's coverage of it, for the press, for the Democratic Party for that matter, to look, and they'll turn to each other and think, did we screw this one up, guys?

01:33:32.000 Did we mess it up?

01:33:34.000 Have we unleashed something we did not anticipate?

01:33:37.000 And I think it's feeling that way.

01:33:40.000 I think the reaction today is very telling.

01:33:43.000 We've now, if people haven't seen it, Elon Musk is tweeting about this and how ominous this is.

01:33:50.000 Bill Ackman, a lot of these Silicon Valley donor figures who've been warming up to Trump this cycle compared to past cycles, they're very strongly on his side today.

01:34:02.000 And I think we're going to see that energy grow.

01:34:03.000 There's a strong sense of momentum.

01:34:05.000 There's more and more energy attaching to this as it goes on.

01:34:09.000 And it's like Biden and the Democrats, they keep digging themselves deeper because they're just shocked the tactics they've relied on are not working anymore.

01:34:17.000 Their ability to delegitimize people by using the system against them is breaking down.

01:34:22.000 Instead, they are delegitimizing the system itself.

01:34:26.000 As we've said a few times, Donald Trump wasn't convicted today.

01:34:30.000 It was really the New York justice system that was convicted.

01:34:33.000 And I think it'll be interesting to see, you know, there's more that Republicans can do in response to this.

01:34:40.000 And I had this thought after they broke up, you know, after that civil conviction against Trump on bizarre charges, which a ton of businessmen were saying, this is nonsense.

01:34:49.000 And you even had New York trying to reassure businesses, please don't flee our state.

01:34:54.000 We're only going to do this to Trump.

01:34:55.000 We won't do it to the rest of you.

01:34:56.000 Well, now we see this with their criminal system.

01:34:59.000 So what if Republican states just started coming out and saying, actually, New York verdicts, we don't respect New York court decisions in this state because they are extra constitutional.

01:35:09.000 They're a rogue state.

01:35:11.000 We don't respect their rulings.

01:35:13.000 And an interesting way that might come into play, by the way, Florida doesn't allow convicted felons to vote right now.

01:35:21.000 So there might be a twist where they'll try to say that Donald Trump can't vote for himself.

01:35:26.000 It could be interesting for Florida to come in and say, actually, at least in this case, we don't consider New York's felony conviction to be valid.

01:35:33.000 Blake, speaking of Florida, Ron DeSantis tweeted something I think that was pretty amazing.

01:35:39.000 We have the tweet up if we could.

01:35:41.000 It's longer, but it's like so pitch perfect.

01:35:43.000 5 million views, 111 likes, 111,000 likes.

01:35:48.000 Says today's verdict represents the culmination of a legal process that has been bent to the political will of the actors involved.

01:35:55.000 A leftist prosecutor, a partisan judge, and a jury reflective of one of the most liberal enclaves in America, all in an effort to get Donald Trump.

01:36:03.000 That this case involving alleged misdemeanor business records violations from nearly a decade ago was even brought is a testament to the political debasement of the justice system in places like New York City.

01:36:16.000 This is especially true considering this same district attorney routinely excuses criminal conduct in a way that has endangered law-abiding citizens in his jurisdiction.

01:36:26.000 It is often said that no one is above the law, but it is also true that no one is below the law.

01:36:31.000 If the defendant were not Donald Trump, this case would have never been brought.

01:36:35.000 The judge would have never issued similar rulings, and the jury would have never returned a guilty verdict.

01:36:40.000 In America, the rule of law should be applied in a dispassionate, even-handed manner, not become captive to the political agenda of some kangaroo court.

01:36:48.000 That's Ron DeSantis, formerly bitter enemy of Donald Trump, with one of the most viral tweets on social media today defending the president.

01:37:00.000 Can I just say this is what he should have tweeted when the charges were dropped in the first place?

01:37:07.000 Yes.

01:37:08.000 This was a very separate, very different tune than we're hearing from the Gov than when the charges were put out.

01:37:16.000 He made a crack mocking Trump about Jeremy Daniels when it happened.

01:37:19.000 And I think that was an inflection point in the campaign in the primary where people all of a sudden were saying, wait a minute, it seems like you're just not doing the things that we thought you were going to be doing.

01:37:31.000 So look, he's come around to seeing things the right way.

01:37:35.000 I wish he'd been there back when it first happened.

01:37:38.000 And it's good to see him there now.

01:37:41.000 Yeah, and look, we need a consolidation.

01:37:43.000 And that is what we're starting to see here is a consolidation of different forces.

01:37:47.000 I want to play a piece of tape here.

01:37:49.000 We have quite a lot that we haven't gotten to yet.

01:37:52.000 Email us as always, by the way, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:37:56.000 But this is the energy I think we need.

01:37:59.000 Play cut 172.

01:38:02.000 All the people that have gone out there against the mainstream media and said, you're going to call us racist.

01:38:08.000 You're going to call us potential Timothy McVays.

01:38:12.000 You.

01:38:21.000 Jack Posobiec.

01:38:24.000 Yeah, I mean, that's the energy of Andrew Breitbart.

01:38:29.000 That's the Andrew of Steve Bannon.

01:38:32.000 That's the Andrew of...

01:38:34.000 I had a conversation with Mike Davis, attorney Mike Davis, just off air today, just kind of called him in between hits, in between shows.

01:38:43.000 And Davis has this thing called the dead chicken theory, which he says that he got from Clarence Thomas.

01:38:50.000 And the dead chicken theory is interesting.

01:38:52.000 So he says Clarence Thomas told him once when he was working for him that the dead chicken theory goes like this, that when you're training farm dogs to protect chickens now early on, by the way, this story totally takes on a totally new vein because of the Nikki or Nikki, Christy Noam situation.

01:39:13.000 But so when you're training farm dogs, one of the things you're supposed to do is when they accidentally kill a chicken, you then take that chicken's carcass and wrap it around their necks so that the chicken's body actually rots physically and literally rots around their necks.

01:39:29.000 And eventually over time, once you do that a few times, they lose the taste for chicken and then they eventually go into protecting chicken.

01:39:37.000 And basically what he says, that's what we need to do to the left.

01:39:40.000 That's how we need to treat them.

01:39:42.000 And when it comes to lawfare and when it comes to the stuff that they're doing to Trump and when it comes to everything that they've done to us, to the J Sixers, to Doug Mackey, Ricky Vaughan, to all of this.

01:39:53.000 If there is no reciprocity, then they will continue to do these things.

01:40:01.000 They will find anything they can on any of us.

01:40:04.000 They'll be going through our taxes.

01:40:05.000 They'll be going through our text messages.

01:40:07.000 It doesn't matter whether it's lawsuits or actual criminal charges.

01:40:12.000 They will find anything.

01:40:14.000 They'll say, oh, look at this guy who donated to Turning Point USA and didn't fill out the paperwork.

01:40:19.000 Boom, boom.

01:40:19.000 And now we're going to go after Turning Point USA.

01:40:21.000 Okay.

01:40:22.000 Again, this will continue until it is stopped.

01:40:26.000 This is a playbook.

01:40:27.000 It's been around for 250 years.

01:40:29.000 And until some people actually rise up and start turning the tables on them.

01:40:35.000 And I don't mean, you know, the strongly worded letter conservatism.

01:40:39.000 No, it's time for the dead chicken theory.

01:40:44.000 Blake, can we just remind the audience of how weak this legal case was?

01:40:51.000 And I'm curious for your thoughts here, Blake.

01:40:53.000 34 counts in a day or two.

01:40:56.000 We thought there'd be some jury pushback.

01:40:58.000 It just seems as if the jury just said, I want nothing to do with this.

01:41:01.000 I want this chapter of my life to be over with.

01:41:04.000 Guilty.

01:41:06.000 Yeah.

01:41:07.000 So first of all, yeah, 34 charges, they're all essentially the same thing.

01:41:11.000 If you read the indictment, they're all for alleged falsification of records, and they're just 34 different total instances of it.

01:41:20.000 So it's not as surprising to me that they would just go through the whole thing.

01:41:24.000 It is the sort of thing where you basically either go for all of it or none of it.

01:41:28.000 But I do think this gets underplayed too much.

01:41:31.000 I think people have fixated too much on the events of the trial and they haven't taken the big picture, which is this case is insane.

01:41:38.000 So what Trump was actually convicted of, and they would try to mess this up and obscure it in a lot of ways, but the specific legal attack on Trump was they said Donald Trump falsified business records in order to, and then there was an intermediary crime in order to do this New York state law.

01:41:58.000 Let me bring it up here.

01:41:59.000 It has a funny name.

01:42:00.000 It's New York Section 17152, conspiracy to promote or prevent election, which is any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means shall be guilty to a misdemeanor.

01:42:21.000 And so they did that where they had, they're like, he obscured his, he falsified his records to commit a conspiracy to illegally promote his own election by fill in the blank.

01:42:33.000 That is literally what it was.

01:42:34.000 It was fill in the blank.

01:42:35.000 There was some crime.

01:42:37.000 They didn't charge him with one.

01:42:38.000 So the prosecutor came out and they basically said, you know, you could just imagine whatever you want.

01:42:43.000 Maybe he was covering up his taxes and that's a crime.

01:42:47.000 Or maybe he was covering up some campaign finance violation, including a federal one.

01:42:55.000 And that was where the thing came in that it didn't have to be unanimous.

01:42:58.000 The prosecution came out and said, you don't have to pick any specific crime that Donald Trump supposedly committed.

01:43:04.000 And by the way, we're not charging him with any of these, but as long as you think he was probably doing some sort of crime, you can say that he falsified the records to cover this up.

01:43:14.000 And this is really important because the entire case is built on this.

01:43:17.000 Because originally, falsification of records by itself is a misdemeanor.

01:43:22.000 It is a two-year statute of limitations, and all this stuff is from 2016.

01:43:26.000 So the only way they could charge him with this in 2023 was they had to make it a felony to make it a felony.

01:43:33.000 They had to say he was doing this to cover up a crime, another crime that was a felony.

01:43:38.000 But we don't have any evidence to prosecute any of these.

01:43:40.000 So we're just going to say, come up with one.

01:43:44.000 And one of their arguments was he was breaking federal campaign finance law, which New York didn't charge him with.

01:43:52.000 The federal government didn't charge him with it.

01:43:54.000 The federal government didn't even fine him for it.

01:43:56.000 The FEC didn't.

01:43:57.000 And then while they're making all of these prejudicial statements against him, what the judge allows him to do is he allows the prosecution to come out and sort of give arguments like, you know, maybe this decided the 2016 election that he did this, which doesn't have any bearing on anything he supposedly did that was criminal, but the judge allowed him to say that.

01:44:17.000 The judge didn't allow any, you know, an FEC commissioner to come in and say this didn't violate the law.

01:44:24.000 Their crime connection doesn't work here.

01:44:27.000 It's absolutely insane.

01:44:30.000 This law that they're supposedly is conspiring to break, the conspiracy to promote or prevent election, it's basically never brought against anyone else in New York, even though New York has more than its share of shady electoral behavior.

01:44:42.000 It's New York, it's local politics in a big city.

01:44:45.000 They never use this.

01:44:46.000 They dug it up because they wanted to have a case against Trump and they came up with the most convoluted theory they possibly could to justify going way past the statute of limitations.

01:44:57.000 And then they brought it in Manhattan because it's a 90% Democrat jurisdiction and they could get the most liberal jury imaginable.

01:45:05.000 And then they blizzed them with 55 pages of jury instructions, which under New York law, you're not allowed to have a printed copy of because some reason.

01:45:16.000 And you don't have a transcript of any of the jury testimony.

01:45:19.000 You have to ask them to read it to you for some reason. 0.99

01:45:23.000 So they picked our dumbest, most corrupt state with the dumbest, most corrupt laws, came up with a case they would never bring against anyone else and have never brought against anyone else. 0.99

01:45:33.000 And then they dumped it on Donald Trump and they got a conviction. 1.00

01:45:36.000 Congratulations. 0.99

01:45:37.000 It's disgusting. 0.99

01:45:39.000 It is repulsive here.

01:45:41.000 And I want to take a step back and play this piece of tape here from Norm Eisen. 0.99

01:45:45.000 He's a psychopath. 0.95

01:45:47.000 Play cut 174. 0.97

01:45:50.000 This is the most serious falsifying business records case in the history of the state of New York.

01:45:56.000 I think Alvin Bragg is going to ask for a sentence of incarceration.

01:45:59.000 And I think Judge Murshan will very seriously weigh that.

01:46:03.000 So the special treatment you're saying would be if he were not given a prison sentence.

01:46:09.000 Right.

01:46:10.000 Did that guy fall out of an 80s movie? 0.99

01:46:12.000 He's disgusting. 0.99

01:46:14.000 He's literally physically disgusting to look at, that sneering rat face. 1.00

01:46:18.000 Oh my God. 0.97

01:46:20.000 Which, by the way, you know, people need to remember if you go back to the Democracy Playbook and the Brookings Institute and everyone's favorite Time magazine article, which was published right after 2021 about the secret history of the shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election.

01:46:38.000 Remember, they fortified the 2020 election.

01:46:41.000 What name from the Transition Integrity Project was at the center of all of these things was Norm Eisen.

01:46:49.000 Norm Eisen and Andrew Weissman are kind of like the brain trust of the left-wing operatives.

01:46:57.000 And their names just keep kind of popping up in every single major campaign that you see them doing.

01:47:03.000 And so you can just follow these guys and you can see exactly what they're up to.

01:47:08.000 They don't really have that many of them. 0.99

01:47:10.000 And don't tell me that like Alvin Bragg, that absolute idiot, could put something like this together or that anyone in the Biden administration could do it. 0.99

01:47:17.000 No, it's they've got a couple of these guys and you see them on TV just bragging about it all the time because that's essentially what they are. 0.99

01:47:26.000 They are the brain trust of the left wing.

01:47:29.000 And, you know, look, you know, guys here on the right, you know, we've got like, obviously, the Trump campaign, Trump himself, their family, and then just guys like us.

01:47:39.000 This is, look, we also have this amazing movement, though.

01:47:42.000 And Andrew, I'm very inspired by the growing enthusiasm that we're seeing on the ground.

01:47:49.000 I want to highlight just some of the work that Turning Point Action is doing.

01:47:51.000 Noah Formica, who's one of our amazing activists, says, My name is Noah Formica.

01:47:56.000 I'm a Gen Z Republican living in Pennsylvania.

01:47:58.000 So far this year, I've registered 790 voters.

01:48:01.000 My goal is to register 1,000 by the end of the year.

01:48:03.000 I'm going to do everything I can to get Donald Trump back in the White House and turn Pennsylvania red.

01:48:07.000 And his tweet is doing very, very well.

01:48:09.000 He's a turning point action worker.

01:48:11.000 And that is what it is going to require: that grittiness.

01:48:15.000 It is the work.

01:48:16.000 It is difficult.

01:48:17.000 It is not always necessarily rewarding, but boy, is it necessary?

01:48:22.000 I want to play a piece of tape here, Andrew, and get your reaction.

01:48:25.000 Very important here.

01:48:26.000 Let me try to flip through here and find it.

01:48:30.000 Let's see here.

01:48:31.000 Let's go to, oh, yeah, this is Donald Trump's first post on Truth Social post being a technically a convicted felon, Play Cut 165.

01:48:43.000 The final battle.

01:48:45.000 With you at my side, we will demolish the deep state.

01:48:48.000 We will expel the warmongers from our government. 1.00

01:48:51.000 We will drive out the globalists. 1.00

01:48:53.000 We will cast out the communists, Marxists, and fascists. 1.00

01:48:57.000 We will throw off the sick political class that hates our country. 0.99

01:49:01.000 We will route the fake news media and we will liberate America from these villains once and for all.

01:49:15.000 Man, when he says expel the warmongers, I get like a Chris Matt.

01:49:20.000 I get a Chris Matthews thrill up my leg.

01:49:23.000 I just, the only thing that would make that better.

01:49:26.000 Andrew, you're muted.

01:49:28.000 The only thing I would just say and make that better is throw it up on Twitter.

01:49:33.000 Get the OG Twitter account back.

01:49:36.000 That would break the internet.

01:49:37.000 Look, he did it when he got the mugshot.

01:49:40.000 You've got all the reason in the world to bring it back today.

01:49:43.000 Link to Donaldjtrump.com.

01:49:45.000 People can sign up.

01:49:46.000 People can donate.

01:49:47.000 People can volunteer.

01:49:48.000 This movement is the strongest movement in America.

01:49:51.000 It's the strongest the MAGA movement has ever been.

01:49:53.000 It's more galvanized, and people are more focused on action now than they ever have been.

01:49:59.000 Use that Twitter account as the conduit between Trump directly and the people that it always was.

01:50:06.000 Andrew, you were going to say something.

01:50:08.000 No, I mean, you do this job day in and day out, you know, like everybody else on this show right now.

01:50:15.000 And sometimes you get a little bit, you know, immune.

01:50:18.000 You get a little bit numb to things like that video.

01:50:22.000 And as you were playing it, I hadn't seen it yet, actually.

01:50:26.000 It riled up something really deep and just sort of instinctive.

01:50:33.000 And yeah, man, I got really fired up watching that.

01:50:37.000 And it was a perfectly, the tone was perfect.

01:50:41.000 And Jack, you just said it.

01:50:43.000 I think it's really clear to say it again.

01:50:45.000 Or we need to say it again.

01:50:46.000 This, right now, in this moment, you know, May 30th, 2024, this is the strongest this movement has ever been, ever.

01:50:56.000 And I mean, we've all been doing this since the jump.

01:50:59.000 This is the strongest I have ever felt it right now in this moment, despite the fact that he's a convicted felon.

01:51:06.000 And yeah, like Normie's on, I don't know how this is going to impact the normies that aren't even paying attention to the news.

01:51:12.000 And that's something we got to look out for.

01:51:14.000 But, you know, this energy is going to continue filtering out if we keep messaging, we keep grinding, we keep going at it.

01:51:21.000 So I'm Andrew.

01:51:22.000 Can I actually respond?

01:51:25.000 Because I've been something I've been meaning to say the entire night that so when all this news broke, it was kind of surreal for me because we'd finished up the afternoon stuff and I had just taken my son and driven home to pick up my six-year-old and he was at a little league game.

01:51:45.000 And so 30 May 2024, you're always going to remember where you were when this happened.

01:51:51.000 And I was at a little league game with my son and his team and they were doing some other, they were, you know, they're playing, they playing the game.

01:51:58.000 And Tanya showed up with her other son a little bit later and she was running an errand.

01:52:04.000 And what was so interesting to me was that on my phone, it was lighting up.

01:52:09.000 People were going nuts.

01:52:10.000 The text messages were flying in.

01:52:12.000 The calls were ringing off the hook.

01:52:14.000 But all around me in kind of normie space, no one was talking about it.

01:52:19.000 No one was focused on it.

01:52:20.000 I don't think that most normies even, and I don't say that in a disparaging way.

01:52:24.000 I mean, I love the people on the team and everyone at the school, but I just think that for average people that are outside of politics, this trial wasn't something that they were really following front of center because there's been so many Trump trials and so many Trump legal escapades over the last couple of weeks, over the last couple of years at this point, escapades, and really going all the way back to his original divorce with Ivana all the way back in the early 90s.

01:52:52.000 And so it's kind of priced in and it's just not something I actually actively started listening after this.

01:52:59.000 Not a single person at the game even brought it up once.

01:53:02.000 Yeah.

01:53:02.000 No, and by the way, it's like, oh, okay, Trump's going to jail.

01:53:05.000 And then I go to the grocery store and I can't feed my family.

01:53:08.000 And Andrew, can you riff on this?

01:53:10.000 The increase in grocery prices is no joke, like the slow bleed of the Democrat Party.

01:53:15.000 Even people, I mean, like, we're very blessed.

01:53:17.000 You're blessed.

01:53:18.000 I'm blessed.

01:53:18.000 We do fine financially, praise God.

01:53:20.000 And again, we can afford it, but it's noticeable.

01:53:23.000 I mean, when you start to go and you have to feed a family of four and it's $700 for weekly groceries to eat like above average, you know, eat foods that aren't necessarily processed.

01:53:32.000 Again, we can afford it.

01:53:34.000 But for families that can't, I can't imagine just the rage.

01:53:38.000 They care far more about being able to pay for their family, not go into debt to feed their family than Donald Trump's document case.

01:53:46.000 No, 100%.

01:53:47.000 Actually, Jack, you'll remember when I texted you, I was like, dang it, this was my idea.

01:53:52.000 So, you know, I think it was Scott Adams said it on his show and tweeted it out, you know, about I was literally just about to send this to you in the chat.

01:54:00.000 I was like halfway through typing it.

01:54:02.000 I was so bad because I remember saying it to Charlie.

01:54:04.000 I was like, you know what?

01:54:05.000 The best campaign idea that we need, we need Donald Trump going along with like a white woman, a black woman, a Hispanic woman, and like an Asian woman or whatever. 0.64

01:54:14.000 Like, you know, and going through just a normal grocery store.

01:54:17.000 Go like pick Middle American grocery store, urban American grocery store, and just go and try and buy eggs, milk, toilet paper.

01:54:26.000 That right there is something that this trial will never reach to.

01:54:31.000 I mean, it is not penetrating.

01:54:33.000 I mean, I don't know if we have the clip, Ryan, but like there was a CNN clip where they were going through the polling data and they're just like, nobody cares.

01:54:40.000 Nobody's paying attention to this.

01:54:42.000 The only good that this can do is really to galvanize our side to get even more involved, to donate more, to volunteer more, to ballot chase more.

01:54:54.000 But like, I'm telling you, the pocketbook issues, time and time again, when they wonder why.

01:55:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:55:05.000 This is great.

01:55:05.000 Trump is guilty.

01:55:06.000 Why can't I afford groceries?

01:55:07.000 That's the perfect graphic right there for those listening and can't see it.

01:55:11.000 But it's 100% true. 0.83

01:55:13.000 Grass prices, grocery prices, and the cost of a new home.

01:55:16.000 We talk about the youth vote.

01:55:17.000 We talk about the minority vote.

01:55:19.000 Why are both of those groups moving in Trump's favor and abandoning the Democrat coalition that got Barack Obama elected in such by huge margins?

01:55:30.000 It's because young people cannot afford to buy a home. 0.87

01:55:34.000 The cost of a home, average home price in America, has doubled since Joe Biden has come into office.

01:55:41.000 That right there is a whole ballgame.

01:55:43.000 We talk about the three M's, marriage, mortgage, and mating.

01:55:48.000 So making babies, getting married, and getting a mortgage.

01:55:51.000 Those are three conservatizing life events that need to happen for the American dream to fully form in the next generation.

01:55:57.000 We're cutting off our young people from that.

01:55:59.000 And they're opting out.

01:56:00.000 They know it.

01:56:01.000 And then we've got just this massive economic burden on the backs of normal, everyday working Americans.

01:56:08.000 And this is what's interesting.

01:56:10.000 And Charlie, I'd actually love your input on this.

01:56:13.000 If you look across the different cohorts, the one group that Donald Trump is performing worse with than he was in the last election is boomers.

01:56:25.000 What gives and how do we fix it is the question.

01:56:29.000 Well, what gives is that boomers have actually generally, if you own property, you are substantially wealthier post-COVID. 0.71

01:56:37.000 Now, that's not to say your purchasing power hasn't gone down, but if you own a home and you started to pay, let's say you started to buy a home in, this is why it's so important.

01:56:49.000 It's a generational thing, I understand.

01:56:51.000 So I was born in 1993.

01:56:53.000 A lot of boomers bought homes in the mid-1990s, which means their loan has matured.

01:56:58.000 That means you're right at the sweet spot, right?

01:57:00.000 So they are getting their deed, and their home was worth, let's say, $700,000 in 2019.

01:57:06.000 If in Scottsdale, it was worth $700 in 2019.

01:57:09.000 It's now worth $1.3 or $1.4 million.

01:57:12.000 And it's nearly doubled.

01:57:14.000 And so, and they really haven't done anything.

01:57:15.000 There's just more money in the system.

01:57:17.000 They probably have a Roth IRA.

01:57:19.000 Their stocks have gone up dramatically.

01:57:21.000 They might have a little investment portfolio with Charles Schwab or Fidelity or TV Ameritrade that has gone up dramatically.

01:57:28.000 And so the baby boomers, nothing necessarily against them, that's a separate topic for a different time, is they've actually had a financial windfall under Joe Biden.

01:57:38.000 Now, some that don't own property are still struggling, own businesses, and your purchasing power of your dollar has deteriorated, but your assets have gone up, so they're not feeling the squeeze.

01:57:48.000 But here's the best divide.

01:57:50.000 If you could do a poll on this, poll Americans that own nothing and poll Americans that own assets. 0.60

01:57:58.000 And which ones of those are happy with the economy or unhappy with the economy?

01:58:03.000 Donald Trump is winning the renting vote in the country.

01:58:07.000 Democrats traditionally have dominated the renting vote in this country.

01:58:12.000 If you own nothing, you end up not being happy.

01:58:14.000 And it is not even close to being in the realm of possibility right now.

01:58:18.000 It creates economic anger.

01:58:20.000 And Donald Trump is a vessel for that.

01:58:23.000 Donald Trump is the pressure release valve because his entire candidacy is kind of a rebellion against the status quo.

01:58:29.000 And so if you are getting poor because of the status quo, and then you see them indict him, all of a sudden, you want to then repel against the status quo, rebel against the status quo.

01:58:42.000 Andrew, you have a question about that.

01:58:43.000 Yeah, so my question is, so if all of these currents are working against Joe Biden with everybody except for boomers, and boomers are like slightly weaker, this verdict tonight, if you talk like Main Street America, half the people are checked in, half the people are checked out.

01:59:02.000 Guess what?

01:59:03.000 Boomers are checked in. 1.00

01:59:05.000 Does this verdict so great against their idea and their ideal of what America was when they were growing up and through the 80s and the 90s?

01:59:14.000 Does this verdict so great against them?

01:59:16.000 Is Trump going to see a bounce back with boomers? 1.00

01:59:20.000 I think maybe back up in 2020.

01:59:22.000 So, look, I don't want to overly generalize.

01:59:24.000 I could just say, in my own circle, people that are baby boomers are outraged about this.

01:59:28.000 I did an entire program in August of last year live from Vegas, and it was one of our best shows, Andrew, of 2023, one of our best rated shows, where I went through a dialogue, an argument, and not even a debate, an argument I had with one of our turning point USA donors.

01:59:44.000 You remember the show, Andrew?

01:59:45.000 Do you remember this?

01:59:46.000 It was a road show, and I did a whole hour on this.

01:59:49.000 And I was very blunt, as I am.

01:59:52.000 And this guy was a military veteran, a good man, but he saw things differently.

01:59:57.000 And he said, he stood up and asked a question because I went through how Donald Trump was almost assuredly going to go to jail and get convicted, and they're going to try to throw him in jail unless he wins.

02:00:06.000 And he said, Charlie, I've been around for quite some time.

02:00:09.000 There is no way in this country that Donald Trump will ever be convicted by a jury of his peers and he'll never go to jail.

02:00:17.000 And I said, I'm sorry, sir, you're wrong.

02:00:19.000 I don't know what country you think you're living in.

02:00:21.000 It doesn't still exist.

02:00:23.000 And he got somewhat nasty, saying, Son, I am a military veteran.

02:00:28.000 This country is still the greatest country ever, and we will never convict a former president.

02:00:33.000 I remember this happening.

02:00:36.000 By the way, I have witnesses.

02:00:38.000 It was at an event.

02:00:38.000 I mean, it's not like I'm making this up.

02:00:40.000 Mikey was there.

02:00:41.000 A lot of people were there.

02:00:42.000 You couldn't stop talking about it after the event.

02:00:45.000 Yeah, you were.

02:00:47.000 And I was so fired up because it is mass delusion.

02:00:52.000 Yeah.

02:00:53.000 And I'd love to chat.

02:00:54.000 I'm going to find his phone number.

02:00:55.000 I'm going to call him up actually tomorrow.

02:00:57.000 Jack, you have a thought there?

02:00:59.000 Just send him the link.

02:01:01.000 Just send him a link to the thing.

02:01:03.000 Don't even say anything.

02:01:05.000 Don't even say it.

02:01:05.000 Just a link to a headline: Donald Trump guilty, 34 capital.

02:01:08.000 And I'm trying to remember.

02:01:09.000 I got to re-listen to that episode because, no, because it was part of his essence, it was so no way this, it was almost as if, Charlie, you're telling me that Donald Trump's going to levitate on live television.

02:01:21.000 Like, it was just like, there's no way I can see it happening.

02:01:25.000 It's like the laws of America, the laws of nature, and nature's God will not allow this to happen.

02:01:30.000 And I somewhat sympathize with that because he did fight and serve the country.

02:01:35.000 And he is so used to America having a certain behavioral pattern that all of a sudden, and by the way, Dan just messaged me, who is there.

02:01:45.000 He remembers it.

02:01:45.000 Dan says, LOL, I remember that.

02:01:48.000 So I have witnesses.

02:01:49.000 It was, and we got in this dude argument.

02:01:50.000 It was whatever.

02:01:51.000 And I hate to say I was right because I know where this country is heading.

02:01:55.000 I've studied Marx, studied Marxism.

02:01:56.000 I know Marxists.

02:01:57.000 I fight against them every single day.

02:01:59.000 Blake, I want to ask your thought on something here as I think we're going to have Rav come back at some point.

02:02:06.000 I think.

02:02:07.000 Blake, can you just give an analysis of how if you're being objective, which none of these historians are?

02:02:13.000 Again, Ken Burns is out there saying crazy stuff.

02:02:17.000 How objectively amazing and just objectively crazy it is that Donald Trump is able to overcome the justice stuff January 6th.

02:02:29.000 I just, I think that is worth just a historical analysis because if nothing else, it is unprecedented.

02:02:36.000 That is unprecedented.

02:02:38.000 It really is.

02:02:39.000 It does.

02:02:39.000 Donald Trump is the guy who breaks all of the rules.

02:02:43.000 One thing I get a kick out of is there was a book that came out, or at least it came out a few years before Trump ran, and the name of the book was called The Party Decides.

02:02:54.000 And it's these political scientists, and they're trying to write about how the political process really works within parties.

02:03:01.000 And what their thesis was was: the people who really decide who wins a presidential nomination are the party insiders.

02:03:08.000 It's who wins the endorsement battle, who wins the funding battle, who wins the most with like the state-level operatives who have a lot of influence.

02:03:16.000 And they're the ones who really decide who gets nominated.

02:03:19.000 So Mitt Romney was nominated in 2012, not because he had the most organic support among the Republican base, but because he won over Republican decision makers in the party.

02:03:29.000 And then Donald Trump shows up in 2016 and just does a total drive-by shooting on this thesis because Donald Trump is hated by the entire party establishment.

02:03:39.000 They very loudly freak out about him.

02:03:41.000 They reject him.

02:03:42.000 Even after he's winning votes, they're talking about stealing the nomination from him at the convention.

02:03:47.000 And it's just they can't stop him.

02:03:48.000 He gets too many votes.

02:03:49.000 He just steamrolls the whole process, gets the nomination.

02:03:53.000 He follows none of the rules for how you're supposed to run for president with consultants, with all these carefully massaged rules about what you should say in public, what your ads should say, how you should message on issues, blows that all away, wings the entire thing, wins the election.

02:04:10.000 That is certainly like nothing anyone has done since the modern TV era of politics began.

02:04:16.000 And there's really nothing like it from before that era, too.

02:04:20.000 The closest you'd get is maybe like William Jennings Bryan, 130 years ago, shows up at the Democrat convention, gives a barn burner of a speech, and they're like, that guy's great.

02:04:32.000 And then they nominate him and he gets killed by William McKinley.

02:04:36.000 So Trump's already beating out him.

02:04:38.000 And then just the stuff they throw at him to stop him.

02:04:40.000 That's also unprecedented.

02:04:42.000 We have never had a major presidential candidate who's running as, you know, a person who's ever, who's been charged with a crime, convicted of a crime.

02:04:52.000 They are having to do stuff they have never done before to try to stop him, and they're proving unable to do it.

02:04:59.000 The left is, they always would say Trump is a threat to our norms.

02:05:02.000 But as we said earlier, the threat to our norms is the Democrats and what they are doing to try to stop Trump.

02:05:08.000 They're the ones who are going to say, we're going to do this Latin America style thing where one of the candidates is charged with a crime or convicted of a crime.

02:05:17.000 We're going to do all this shady stuff to try to pack the Supreme Court because they're too dangerous to us.

02:05:23.000 And there really is, you look back and there's just nothing, there's nothing like it.

02:05:28.000 He is, it's a force of nature to behold.

02:05:33.000 I want to wrap here, guys, because we all have shows tomorrow and kind of go around the horn.

02:05:37.000 But I want to just remind you guys, get your tickets right now to the People's Convention.

02:05:41.000 Can you just throw out the People's Convention graphic, please?

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02:06:04.000 Go around the horn one more time.

02:06:05.000 Jack, let's start with you.

02:06:09.000 Look, well, since we're promoing, we'll be doing the book launch for Unhumans with Joshua Isaac, my co-author, at the People's Con.

02:06:17.000 Obviously, we're there to support the movement.

02:06:20.000 People want to check that out.

02:06:21.000 It's unhumansbook.com.

02:06:23.000 Look, we explain what we're going through.

02:06:24.000 We explain what comes next, and we explain how to win.

02:06:27.000 And so everyone who said that we were being very mean for calling these people unhumans, well, you were wrong.

02:06:34.000 I will say this.

02:06:35.000 As of today, the MAGA movement is now the 30 May movement.

02:06:42.000 Pre-30 May, we were one country, and post-30 May, we are now a new country.

02:06:49.000 And the 30 May movement is all about taking whatever words you want to use to describe the circumstances within which we find ourselves now and restoring the American Republic to its former greatness.

02:07:04.000 That's what the 30 May movement's all about.

02:07:08.000 Amen.

02:07:10.000 Blake, final thoughts here.

02:07:13.000 I just think about how remarkable it is that we've come to this point and how I just really think they're going to regret this, Charlie.

02:07:23.000 I think Democrats are going to think back.

02:07:26.000 I got to interrupt.

02:07:26.000 So, Blake, are you calling your shot right now?

02:07:28.000 Because, Blake, you're the most, let's just say, critical of certain things that we aren't critical of.

02:07:36.000 Are you calling the shot?

02:07:37.000 Are you saying that this is going to be net positive for DJT?

02:07:44.000 I think what I think I will say is, I think we'll see hit in the polls initially.

02:07:49.000 I will predict that.

02:07:51.000 I think Donald Trump will sink in the polls briefly.

02:07:54.000 I think he will come back, and by the time of election day, I think we will see a result where they will think it probably would have been a better idea to not charge him.

02:08:06.000 And hey, this actually might be an interesting thing.

02:08:08.000 And Andrew, I want everyone to think about this.

02:08:11.000 If we want to run against Joe Biden, if we think that Joe Biden is better than Gretchen Whitmer, and I think Gretchen Whitmer would be really tough because I think she's a blue wall-designed candidate, then maybe if Trump takes a little temporary hit in the polls, galvanizes the base, it keeps Biden competitive, and then it allows us to run against actually the candidate that we think is weaker than a hypothetical replacement candidate.

02:08:36.000 Final thoughts, Andrew?

02:08:38.000 Yeah, I mean, I was we had Newt Gingrich on the show today, and he brought up what he thought was going to happen.

02:08:44.000 It would be if they're going to remove Joe Biden, it's going to be with Gretchen Whitmer and Shapiro out of Pennsylvania.

02:08:51.000 Yeah, so I mean, that was a wild idea that I had not considered.

02:08:56.000 So, I agree.

02:08:57.000 We want to run against Joe Biden.

02:08:59.000 I think I've never actually been in the camp that they're going to remove him.

02:09:05.000 I think he's too stubborn.

02:09:07.000 I think he holds too many cards. 1.00

02:09:08.000 Ultimately, at the end of the day, he'll go down with a sinking ship because he's a selfish SOB and he's a vile, vile, disgraceful human. 0.99

02:09:18.000 So, I think he, you know, I think he's got an ego the size of you know, the size of Russia. 0.99

02:09:24.000 Anyways, here's my final thought, though.

02:09:27.000 Um, I, I, I, you know, we talked about it before.

02:09:30.000 I'm very curious, and the poll that I'm going to be watching is if this slight weakness that we've seen in boomers, uh, if this if this verdict reverses that trend and shores up boomers with Trump, I think this is such an affront to the mental image, the muscle memory that boomers have when they think about their home country, America.

02:09:51.000 I think this grates against the fact that we're not a banana republic, or at least we weren't until May 30th.

02:09:57.000 And so, I'm going to be watching that number.

02:09:59.000 And I think that this, when we talk about boomerangs, backfires, or whatever, that's what I'm going to say.

02:10:04.000 That's what I really think.

02:10:05.000 I think that's going to, if you see movement there, I think my prediction, my called shot will be that November will go very well for us.

02:10:15.000 Okay, I don't know.

02:10:16.000 I think Andrew will quick.

02:10:19.000 Um, I know today is uh May 30th.

02:10:21.000 We're almost done May, so uh, Saturday is going to be June 1st.

02:10:26.000 So, I just wanted to wish you a happy Pride Month.

02:10:30.000 I just got to pick on the California guy, huh?

02:10:33.000 Yeah, listen.

02:10:35.000 I'll say that just any poll, any poll boost that they might get because of this, I think might be reversed with Pride Month. 0.90

02:10:43.000 Yeah, just speaking of grading on the American public, yes, that's right.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 31, 2024

ThoughtCrime: The Trump Verdict Special

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