The Charlie Kirk Show - Three Senators Sound Off on the Republican Betrayal

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00:00:01.000 Three senators join the program as we agree in great harmony to try to oppose this Ukraine bill.

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00:01:35.000 Senator JD Vance is with us.

00:01:38.000 Senator, thank you for taking the time.

00:01:41.000 And so, Senator, let's get right into it.

00:01:43.000 It's going viral.

00:01:44.000 Your argument is that this vile piece of red legislation that is advancing could eventually result in a Trump impeachment.

00:01:52.000 Walk us through it, Senator Vance.

00:01:54.000 Yes, it's very simple, Charlie, but it takes a little memory.

00:01:57.000 So go back to 2019 and remember the very first impeachment trial against Donald Trump, the one that was actually successful in the House, but thankfully died in the Senate.

00:02:06.000 What was the argument, Charlie?

00:02:07.000 The argument is that there was a pot of money that had been allegated to which country?

00:02:12.000 Ukraine.

00:02:13.000 And that money was not being spent as it was required to be spent by Donald Trump.

00:02:17.000 And this was taken as evidence of, you know, Russia collusion, some grand conspiracy.

00:02:22.000 But on the basis of him not spending that money, he was impeached back in 2019.

00:02:27.000 So this is not hypothetical.

00:02:29.000 Now, in the bill that is being debated right now on the Senate floor, there are golden handcuffs because it doesn't just fund Ukraine in 2024.

00:02:37.000 It also funds Ukraine in 2025 and 2026.

00:02:40.000 Who will be president in 2025?

00:02:42.000 Hopefully, of course, Donald J. Trump.

00:02:44.000 So if Donald Trump tries to do what he has promised on the campaign trail and stop the killing, there will be a predicate there.

00:02:51.000 There will be people who say, you're not spending the money that was appropriated to Ukraine in the same way that you didn't spend the money in 2019.

00:03:00.000 And I guarantee, Charlie, they will impeach him.

00:03:02.000 Now, will it be absurd?

00:03:03.000 Yes.

00:03:04.000 Will it be unconstitutional?

00:03:05.000 Yes. 0.72

00:03:06.000 But we know these people don't actually care.

00:03:08.000 What we're doing is handing them the weapon with which they will wedge, use it against our nominee for president in 2025 if he actually wins, as all of us hope that he, as all of us hope that he will.

00:03:20.000 So this is really, really important, Charlie.

00:03:22.000 It shows, number one, that nobody actually knows what's in this 370-page behemoth.

00:03:28.000 We got to actually read these things and debate them.

00:03:32.000 Even if you want to fund Ukraine, you shouldn't be wanting to tie Donald Trump's hands two years into his administration.

00:03:40.000 Yeah.

00:03:40.000 So, Senator, I heard you on Steve Bannon's program this morning, and I thought it was really important, which could, because our audience is so fired up on this.

00:03:47.000 And we had Senator Lee on earlier, and he said, it's not a done deal that this has passed yet.

00:03:52.000 I want to read off the Senate Republicans.

00:03:54.000 I know they're your colleagues, but we have to be honest.

00:03:57.000 Shelly Moore Capitol from West Virginia, Bill Cassidy from Louisiana, Susan Collins from Maine, John Cornyn from Texas, Joni Ernst from Iowa, Chuck Grassley from Iowa, John Kennedy from Louisiana, both representatives from Louisiana, I believe, have voted for this.

00:04:12.000 Mitch McConnell, obviously from Kentucky, Jerry Moran from Kansas, Mark Wayne Mullen from Oklahoma, Lisa Murkowski from Alaska, Mitt Romney from Utah, Mike Rounds from South Dakota, Dan Sullivan from Alaska, John Thrune from South Dakota, Tom Tillis from North Carolina, Roger Wicker from Mississippi, and Todd Young from Indiana.

00:04:29.000 So, Senator, what help me understand why they're doing this?

00:04:33.000 It is a direct insult to the American people.

00:04:36.000 It's bad for the country.

00:04:37.000 It's bad for the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians that are going to be caught in the line of fire because this war has to continue.

00:04:44.000 What is their rationale?

00:04:46.000 Well, first, let me say, Charlie, that a lot of the people you just named are allies of Donald Trump.

00:04:50.000 They're people who have endorsed Donald Trump already for president.

00:04:53.000 I really don't think, Charlie, and maybe I'm being naive, that some of these people, yeah, okay, maybe Mitch, but some of these people, I don't think, realize that this legislation will lead directly to his impeachment in 2025.

00:05:05.000 But I think a lot of them are just sort of, you know, unaware that what's in the bill, they've trusted leadership.

00:05:10.000 I don't know what their justification for it is, but we have to kill this bill, Charlie.

00:05:14.000 And I encourage everybody out there, do everything you can to send a message that we have to kill this bill.

00:05:20.000 It's a plot against Donald Trump.

00:05:22.000 It's a plot against Republican voters, and we have to stop it.

00:05:25.000 Now, if you step back, Charlie, to answer your question, look, I hate to say it, but the Ukraine thing has become an obsession among a certain species of Republican.

00:05:33.000 They have convinced themselves that this is our 9-11.

00:05:37.000 This is our World War II.

00:05:39.000 And they want to be Winston Churchill or Franklin Roosevelt standing in the breach and saying no to tyranny.

00:05:45.000 And they've convinced themselves that this is the fight.

00:05:48.000 And all of the knuckle-draggers like me in the Republican Party who think we should stop spending money to Ukraine, you know, we're just like the isolationists.

00:05:56.000 We're the peacenicks of World War II who would have let Hitler march all over Europe. 0.80

00:06:00.000 It's absurd.

00:06:02.000 It's preposterous.

00:06:03.000 The comparison doesn't even make sense.

00:06:05.000 But these people have really convinced themselves that they're self-righteous, Charlie, that this is a righteous moral crusade and they want to be on the right side of history.

00:06:13.000 The crazy thing is, Charlie, as you know well, and I think your audience knows well, we know that the very same foreign policy wisdom of the last 30 years, it's not the wisdom of the World War II generation.

00:06:26.000 It's the wisdom of never-ending war in Afghanistan, never-ending war in Iraq, lying about weapons of mass destruction, starting a war in Syria that we had no business involved in. 0.72

00:06:36.000 It is the logic of perpetual warfare, not of any sort of patriotic stand.

00:06:42.000 So we've got to really, I think, hammer this hard, Charlie, and try to defeat this thing.

00:06:46.000 Senator, you said something that I think is really important, and it kind of plays off of this one-liner you hear a lot.

00:06:51.000 Oh, they just care about invites to the cocktail parties.

00:06:54.000 And the National Review people hate that when you say that.

00:06:56.000 But you said that they want to be treated well at the Munich Security Conference.

00:07:01.000 Is it that shallow?

00:07:04.000 Are we at a place now where they really want to fly nonstop from Dolus on Lufthansa first class and be treated in chauffeur cars in Munich and get invited to parties?

00:07:15.000 Is that really where the U.S. Senate stands?

00:07:18.000 You have to think about this, Charlie.

00:07:21.000 What these guys, Munich Security Conference, it's like the Davos of national security.

00:07:25.000 It's next week.

00:07:26.000 It's literally, I think, five days from now, it starts.

00:07:28.000 And all of these guys are going to go on their two-week recess, and they really want to sit with the NATO Secretary General and with the leaders and heads of state of Europe.

00:07:37.000 And they want to say, we got your money for Ukraine.

00:07:40.000 We may be hated by our voters.

00:07:42.000 We may not have secured the southern border.

00:07:45.000 We are opposed by the knuckle-draggers like JD Vance and Donald Trump of the Republican Party, but we got your money for Ukraine. 0.87

00:07:51.000 And yeah, Charlie, I hate to say it, but I think the psychological motivation, man, you know, this is one of the most dangerous human impulses is when you can sit down at a table and convince yourself that you're really good and you're really righteous and that the people who disagree with you, they're not just wrong, they're bad people.

00:08:09.000 I really think that's a big part of what this is all about.

00:08:12.000 Yeah, and I just, it's as if they are more worried about the reception of a foreign country.

00:08:20.000 Then they are.

00:08:21.000 I mean, like, let's just take Mark Wayne Mullen, who's allegedly a tough guy who wants to fight people from the union, right?

00:08:27.000 And what is he from Oklahoma doing?

00:08:29.000 He's got to get primaried.

00:08:30.000 Lankford's got to get, Lankford probably has no political future. 0.96

00:08:32.000 Every single person absent Susan Collins, because she's from a super blue state.

00:08:36.000 If you're from a deep red state, though, can you talk about that, Senator?

00:08:40.000 Because I hold, if you're from a deep red state, I hold you to a higher standard. 1.00

00:08:44.000 There's no that I have to vote my state or vote, you know, worry about a lot of money coming after me.

00:08:50.000 And I look at this punch list.

00:08:52.000 What?

00:08:53.000 Louisiana, Kansas, these are the reddest of red states.

00:08:57.000 Why do they hate their voters so much?

00:08:59.000 Yeah, Charlie, look, I like Mark Wayne.

00:09:01.000 He's a personal friend.

00:09:02.000 I think that he's wrong on this issue.

00:09:04.000 And I've tried to make this argument to him.

00:09:05.000 But look, even if Mark Wayne wants to send money to Ukraine and I disagree with him, this is where I go back to this impeachment argument, Charlie, because I don't think in his heart of hearts that Mark Wayne wants to impeach Donald Trump for not sending money to Ukraine a year from now.

00:09:19.000 And that's what I think we really have to make this argument is.

00:09:21.000 This is not just send money to Ukraine or not.

00:09:24.000 This is blow up the president of the United States of your own party preemptively.

00:09:30.000 You know, George W. Bush, neocons love preemptive war.

00:09:33.000 This is a preemptive war against Donald Trump to destroy his presidency before it even begins.

00:09:39.000 We've got to stop this thing.

00:09:41.000 Yeah.

00:09:41.000 And I just, if you look at this, the base is on fire over it.

00:09:44.000 And these guys, I mean, and Senator, it's not threats.

00:09:47.000 You know, if Mark Wayne is a friend of yours, it's not too late to redeem this and just be like, hey, man, like, hey, I don't think you understand what you're dealing with here.

00:09:56.000 I think he was a replacement senator.

00:09:57.000 He's up soon.

00:09:58.000 I don't think he has this really long term that will be left with no choice.

00:10:03.000 So, hey, there's one.

00:10:04.000 So really quick, there's a vote carousel tonight, right?

00:10:07.000 Where you guys stay.

00:10:09.000 What's going on here?

00:10:09.000 Walk us through it.

00:10:10.000 Look, so they're trying to, the Democrats and the establishment Republicans are trying to seize the floor away from us.

00:10:16.000 Right now, Rand Paul is like, you know, a half a mile away from me in the Capitol, trying to protect the floor.

00:10:23.000 I'm going to go around 2.45, 3 o'clock.

00:10:26.000 You can only speak for an hour before Senate rules.

00:10:29.000 They're allowed to force you out.

00:10:30.000 And we just have to run this clock as long as possible because the reason the clock running matters, Charlie, is it gives the American people an opportunity to wake up to this.

00:10:38.000 No one was worried about this Saturday and Sunday.

00:10:41.000 Everyone was focused on the Super Bowl.

00:10:43.000 What we're doing right now is really standing on principle and fighting for the idea that one, you should read a bill before you pass it.

00:10:51.000 And two, you shouldn't go to war against the nominee of your own party to send $61 billion to a foreign country.

00:10:57.000 So I think we've got a chance of winning this debate.

00:11:00.000 Obviously, a lot of people want us to fail.

00:11:01.000 There are a lot of senators who want to fund $61 billion to Ukraine.

00:11:06.000 But man, we've got a chance, albeit a small chance to beat this thing.

00:11:09.000 And we're just going to keep on hammering, keep on debating, delay this thing as long as possible and hope that our colleagues come to their senses.

00:11:16.000 Yeah, I mean, look, these red state senators, they've been warned.

00:11:19.000 They will feel the wrath of the grassroots.

00:11:21.000 Senator, I'm so glad we went all in on you early.

00:11:23.000 You're doing an amazing job from Ohio.

00:11:25.000 The people of Ohio are thrilled with you, Senator Vance.

00:11:27.000 Talk to you soon.

00:11:28.000 Thank you.

00:11:28.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:11:29.000 See you, man.

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00:12:37.000 Joining us now is Senator Tubberville.

00:12:39.000 Senator, thank you for taking the time.

00:12:41.000 Senator, we've been having some of your colleagues on.

00:12:43.000 We are really building the drumbeat.

00:12:44.000 We have many, many people watching.

00:12:47.000 I should call you coach.

00:12:48.000 Sorry, I forget that is your preferred title.

00:12:52.000 Coach, lead us.

00:12:53.000 Give us the strategy to defeat this bill.

00:12:56.000 Help inspire the troops.

00:12:57.000 The floor is yours.

00:12:58.000 Well, Charlie, thanks for having me on.

00:13:00.000 And first of all, right on with that advertisement you just had.

00:13:03.000 You know, we're printing, printing.

00:13:05.000 We're borrowing $80,000 a second right now here in Washington, D.C. That's $4.6 million a minute.

00:13:11.000 And I don't know, I don't know how much longer we can stand it.

00:13:14.000 Everybody says our economy is great.

00:13:15.000 It's great because we're throwing money out there right and left, but we're going to have a death spiral here before long.

00:13:20.000 So grab a hold and hold on.

00:13:22.000 But as we speak, we're doing nothing up here in Washington, D.C. other than to vote to have another vote.

00:13:28.000 I mean, we're accomplishing nothing, but the Democrats and a bunch of neocons and the Republican side, they want to send money so bad.

00:13:36.000 I've never seen anything like it.

00:13:37.000 They want to send money so bad to a losing cause, which is Ukraine.

00:13:41.000 You know, again, I'm for the Ukrainian people, but they can't win this. 1.00

00:13:45.000 They have a stalemate.

00:13:46.000 They need to, somebody needs to go over and do a little bit of diplomacy.

00:13:50.000 That's what Joe Biden said he was going to do when he took office.

00:13:53.000 There's been zero diplomacy from this administration, but we're in tough times, Charlie.

00:13:57.000 I don't know what's going to happen to our country or, you know, the taxpayers, the citizens, and really even our allies.

00:14:05.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 So, Senator, I want to emphasize that.

00:14:07.000 I mean, you guys have a lot on your plate here, but the one element that isn't being covered, and Tucker Carlson's terrific interview with Vladimir Putin mentioned this, and it deserves to be looked into, is that Joe Biden via Tony Blinken, via Boris Johnson, went in and obliterated a potential peace deal that could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

00:14:27.000 Do you have any comments on that?

00:14:29.000 And wouldn't that be worthy of further examination by the U.S. Senate?

00:14:33.000 Yeah, we've talked about it for two years.

00:14:35.000 We knew exactly when it happened.

00:14:36.000 It happened in March of 2022, and Zelensky was looking for a way out.

00:14:42.000 I was over there three months before the war started, and they knew they didn't have enough to hold back on Russia. 0.79

00:14:48.000 But Russia is just fighting against NATO.

00:14:50.000 They're not fighting against Ukraine.

00:14:53.000 They don't want our missiles and our military bases in Ukraine right on their borders, nor would we want China on our Mexico border, our southern border.

00:15:00.000 Same thing.

00:15:01.000 So it's just unfortunate what's going on.

00:15:05.000 They had a peace deal worked out in Istanbul, Turkey, but for some reason, Boris Johnson was sent by our administration and said, hey, don't let them get a deal.

00:15:15.000 We need to continue this thing.

00:15:16.000 We need to keep fighting.

00:15:18.000 And it's just about people wanting to fight wars.

00:15:20.000 And I think Joe Biden thinks the only way he can win re-election, which I think that would be impossible, I hope, that we're in two or three wars.

00:15:30.000 So we couldn't fight one war right now because our stocks are so deplenished here, Charlie.

00:15:36.000 You'd be shocked if you knew just how much we've depleted our own stocks.

00:15:40.000 And it takes years to put those back into service.

00:15:43.000 Can you elaborate on that?

00:15:44.000 That is an accurate and not as reported fact that we have depleted our own military preparedness and readiness.

00:15:52.000 Can you elaborate on that, please?

00:15:54.000 Well, first of all, I don't know if you read the New York Times article.

00:15:57.000 I don't read the New York Times, but I had somebody tell me this: that they found out that a lot of the weapons that we have stored in Israel, which we do, we have millions of dollars worth of weapons stored in Israel.

00:16:08.000 We're asking them to send them to Ukraine. 1.00

00:16:11.000 That's how low on our stocks we are.

00:16:14.000 Now, we have done this.

00:16:15.000 We've gone from building 10,155 bombs to 30,000 a month.

00:16:23.000 But the problem, here's the problem that we've got right now.

00:16:27.000 We went after Russia because we thought they were weak.

00:16:30.000 Vladimir Putin in two years has built up his war industry to 30 to 40 percent of the economy.

00:16:36.000 They've joined hands with China, North Korea, a lot of the other BRICS nations, and their economy is rolling now.

00:16:44.000 They're selling all their gas and oil to China, and they're making billions of dollars weekly.

00:16:51.000 And it's just gone opposite of what we thought it would.

00:16:54.000 We thought people would pull out on Russia, that they've become weaker and weaker.

00:16:57.000 We've made them stronger, and we've made us weaker.

00:16:59.000 Now we're looking down the barrel of a gun of the Middle East and Taiwan, not just Ukraine.

00:17:06.000 So, yes, we are way behind in building.

00:17:08.000 We build a lot of weapons in my state of Alabama, and they're working hard as they can.

00:17:14.000 The Javelin missile that we had, that we sent over to Ukraine to tear the tank busters, basically. 0.99

00:17:23.000 At the end of the day, NATO sent all theirs, most of theirs in. 0.99

00:17:28.000 We're four or five years away from having a completed stockpile of just the javelin missiles coming from the state of Alabama.

00:17:37.000 It's a lot of hard work.

00:17:38.000 Again, there's no planning in this charter.

00:17:40.000 These people have no clue about making any kind of game plan to win and to keep the American people and allies safe.

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00:18:54.000 No planning.

00:18:55.000 And by the way, then we have a defense secretary back in the hospital for gallbladder surgery or something.

00:19:00.000 I mean, this is not, we're not, by the way, and we're bombing Houthi targets.

00:19:04.000 We're bombing Iranian-related targets.

00:19:06.000 We have many different conflicts unfolding here.

00:19:09.000 So, Senator, I'm going to ask you to speculate for a second, but when you're speaking privately to your colleagues, what is their rationale as to why we need to keep on financing this Ukraine war?

00:19:20.000 Is it ideological?

00:19:22.000 Because it is so against, first of all, the national security interests of the country, but also the poor Ukrainian people, they're on the verge of getting mowed down in the spring fighting season.

00:19:33.000 They're having difficulty enlisting an army.

00:19:35.000 We're losing an entire generation of Ukrainian men.

00:19:38.000 What is their argument?

00:19:40.000 Well, first of all, Zelensky, and again, I've met with him several times.

00:19:44.000 He's got problems.

00:19:45.000 He was a comedian. 0.99

00:19:46.000 He's a puppet. 0.72

00:19:47.000 And we don't know where a lot of this money has gone.

00:19:50.000 Our people won't let you know that we did not have an inspector general there for the first year and a half, which was all by design.

00:19:57.000 So money has gone out the back door.

00:20:00.000 He is not having elections.

00:20:02.000 He doesn't have a democracy anymore.

00:20:04.000 He's closed down basically the media that doesn't like him.

00:20:08.000 I mean, it's a dictatorship.

00:20:11.000 But the people in even in the Democrats, I don't know where they come from.

00:20:15.000 They used to not be for war, but now they are.

00:20:18.000 I think they see it as a winning proposition for them to keep power.

00:20:21.000 That's all they care about.

00:20:22.000 They could care about nobody in this country or other countries.

00:20:26.000 They just won't be able to tell people what to do.

00:20:28.000 They're power hungry.

00:20:29.000 That's the reason the border is open.

00:20:31.000 But we have probably a dozen in our party in the Republican side.

00:20:36.000 They keep telling me, well, he's just going to continue on through Ukraine and go to Poland and go to Hungary.

00:20:42.000 Listen, he can't beat Ukraine. 0.93

00:20:44.000 He's made maybe 30, 40 miles a gain in two years.

00:20:48.000 His people are ready to pull out the Russian citizens. 1.00

00:20:52.000 They don't have their, they're building their army bigger and stronger, but it's not going over real well in Russia either.

00:20:58.000 So don't give me that he's going to continue.

00:21:01.000 If he can go through Europe, and which he's not going to do, that's their tale.

00:21:07.000 If he could go through Europe, we'd have a huge problem, but that's not going to happen.

00:21:10.000 He could care less.

00:21:11.000 And you heard on Tucker's interview that he had no desire to do that.

00:21:16.000 He just wants to take back what is his.

00:21:19.000 And again, Ukraine was Russia. 0.75

00:21:21.000 You got to remember that.

00:21:23.000 And everybody says, well, we're supposed to be protecting because of the Budapest Agreements.

00:21:26.000 We're supposed to be protecting the borders of Ukraine.

00:21:30.000 The problem is we also told him in 1991, Russia, we will not expand NATO.

00:21:34.000 We go from 17 to 30.

00:21:36.000 I think that's a little bit of expansion.

00:21:38.000 I'd be pissed off too if I was Russia.

00:21:41.000 Yeah, no kidding.

00:21:42.000 And by the way, we have members of the U.S. Senate years ago saying we're going to play offense against Ukraine, against Russia.

00:21:50.000 We're going to play off.

00:21:51.000 And Russia was promised that NATO would not expand eastward, and it was expanded eastward.

00:21:58.000 In fact, continues to be expanded eastward.

00:22:01.000 So, Coach, final thoughts here.

00:22:03.000 Put together the game plan.

00:22:05.000 Can we stop this in this vote carousel tonight?

00:22:08.000 Are there any senators?

00:22:09.000 I know you have to all be very collegial that might be a little bit more likely to be flipped than others.

00:22:16.000 Oh, I think we're past that point, Charlie.

00:22:20.000 There's no reason to be nice now because everybody's taking a side here.

00:22:24.000 You're either for giving money.

00:22:26.000 Rand Paul is on the floor as we speak.

00:22:28.000 I spoke a little bit earlier today about Friday, they're going to get a plane, Codell, and they're going to take over pallets of cash to Ukraine.

00:22:38.000 And they're fired up about it.

00:22:39.000 But the problem is they're going to fly over our southern border, which is totally out of control.

00:22:45.000 This is not something that's going to be a winning issue for the Democrats or even some Republicans in my caucus.

00:22:53.000 So we better really be careful with this.

00:22:56.000 This is something that really is not Republican or Democrat.

00:22:59.000 This is either you're anti-American or you're an American. 0.52

00:23:03.000 I believe in this country.

00:23:04.000 I believe that we're strong, but we can only be strong as we build it.

00:23:08.000 The problem we have, I'm on an armed services committee.

00:23:10.000 Nobody wants to join the military anymore, Charlie.

00:23:13.000 Nobody, well, I have people turn me down to go to go to our institutions for higher learning for military.

00:23:20.000 And it's just absolutely crazy.

00:23:22.000 If you're a southern Christian, Charlie, which is where most of the military has come from, I'm not talking about black or white.

00:23:29.000 I'm talking about if you're a southern Christian, they don't want you in the military because you're an extremist.

00:23:35.000 They want to be able to control you.

00:23:37.000 And so it's getting out of hand.

00:23:40.000 The people up here are trying to divide our country.

00:23:44.000 We've got to be careful with that.

00:23:45.000 We've got to get somebody back in the White House that's going to pull people together.

00:23:50.000 Everybody says Trump divides people.

00:23:52.000 Let me tell you what.

00:23:53.000 Trump is for the American people that want the American public and the Constitution to be on the same page.

00:23:58.000 And that's the reason he has got to get elected.

00:24:00.000 If he doesn't, I can't imagine going through four more years of this craziness up here in Washington, D.C., because we are on the verge of losing our country.

00:24:09.000 No kidding.

00:24:09.000 Coach, keep fighting.

00:24:11.000 We're going to keep the pressure on.

00:24:12.000 The gloves are off.

00:24:13.000 And your colleagues that vote for this, they're going to have a very turbulent political future ahead.

00:24:19.000 Thank you so much.

00:24:20.000 Thank you.

00:24:21.000 The resistance is growing, everybody.

00:24:23.000 Four years ago, if we would be doing this Ukraine thing, there would be no JD Vance.

00:24:27.000 There'd be no Tuberville.

00:24:28.000 We'd have Senator Lee or Senator Paul in the program.

00:24:30.000 Now we have Hawley.

00:24:31.000 We have Tuberville.

00:24:33.000 We are growing in number.

00:24:35.000 Our worldview is ascendant.

00:24:37.000 Your voice is growing in the Senate.

00:24:39.000 I know it can feel demoralizing.

00:24:41.000 I know it can feel cynical at times, but boom, boom, boom.

00:24:45.000 And they care, by the way, they all made time for us.

00:24:46.000 One, two, three.

00:24:47.000 That's three U.S. senators.

00:24:49.000 These things take time to take over a massive uniparty that hates you, a regime that is just bombarding and blitz-krieging your values on a daily basis.

00:24:58.000 Tuberville, Vance, Lee, we could have Hawley as well.

00:25:01.000 We have Rand Paul.

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00:25:43.000 Over the weekend, an objectionable piece of legislation advanced in the U.S. Senate looks likely to pass.

00:25:52.000 And joining us now is one of the leading critics of that piece of legislation and a voice of moral clarity in a very disappointing town, Senator Mike Lee.

00:26:05.000 Senator, thank you for taking the time.

00:26:06.000 Senator, walk us through what happened this weekend.

00:26:08.000 Well, this weekend, we saw the military-industrial complex moving in full force to push through something, push through something that enjoys the support of every Democrat in the United States Senate except Bernie Sanders.

00:26:22.000 And you saw 18 Republican senators join with all but one Democratic senator in order to propel that bill forward.

00:26:31.000 This is a bill that spends $95 billion, and over $60 billion of that goes to Ukraine.

00:26:38.000 And of the aid that it spends, there's a whole lot of it that goes about $8 billion worth to economic assistance to Ukraine that can and will be used to fund the salaries of Ukrainian bureaucrats and other government employees in Ukraine for an entire year, no less.

00:26:57.000 And it will also be used as it's been used in the past when we've sent similar funds to Ukraine over the last two years to fund things like concert tickets for Ukrainians, Ukrainian clothing stores, Ukrainian welfare benefits.

00:27:10.000 Look, we've all gone mad.

00:27:13.000 So we're borrowing money, printing money, impoverishing the American people so we can pay for all this stuff in Ukraine. 0.98

00:27:21.000 This makes no sense.

00:27:23.000 And it makes no sense that Republican Senate leadership is doing this against the wishes of the vast majority of Republican senators and the vast, overwhelming majority of Republican voters.

00:27:34.000 This is wrong, and we're doing everything we can to stop it.

00:27:37.000 Yeah, so what is the legislative schedule then, Senator?

00:27:40.000 It hasn't passed yet, but it looks imminent.

00:27:43.000 Please walk us through that.

00:27:44.000 Okay, so the next step is we're going to be we've got one more cloture vote.

00:27:49.000 There are multiple rounds of closure votes.

00:27:51.000 Closure means we're bringing debate on something, bringing debate to a close on something.

00:27:58.000 The first closure vote was closure on the motion to proceed.

00:28:02.000 And then last night we had another closure vote on the overall bill.

00:28:08.000 And then in the next round, we've got the closure bringing debate to a close on this specific amendment that carves this down to this specific bill.

00:28:18.000 And each time we do that, we pass another one of these thresholds where it can't move forward unless some Republicans join with Democrats.

00:28:26.000 Because remember, they only have 51 votes in the Senate.

00:28:28.000 They've only got 50 without Bernie Sanders supporting it, which they don't at this point.

00:28:34.000 So tonight at around 8 p.m., we think they're going to have yet another cloture vote.

00:28:40.000 And we're going to try to peel off more Republicans every time we get the chance because Republicans shouldn't be voting on this.

00:28:46.000 Because even if they want to support Ukraine, a lot of my colleagues who are opposed to this are okay with funding Ukraine if it's actually military funding or something that's to the strategic benefit of the United States.

00:28:58.000 But this stuff is all over the place.

00:29:00.000 It's even got humanitarian funds totaling between $9 and $10 billion, some of which could end up going to fund Hamas, of all things.

00:29:09.000 And so they have, I was on the Senate floor all day, literally all day on Saturday, offering up a half dozen different amendments to try to make them pandic.

00:29:18.000 The Democrats wouldn't let us.

00:29:19.000 They objected every time saying, oh, you forfeited your chance to do this the minute Republicans rejected the fake border package that was negotiated.

00:29:27.000 This is wrong.

00:29:28.000 Yeah, and so I just want to make sure I understand correctly that there is a chance that we can still block this in the Senate.

00:29:35.000 Can you just repeat the math?

00:29:36.000 I think I understood that Bernie is not supporting this.

00:29:39.000 And so where is the math currently?

00:29:42.000 Yeah.

00:29:43.000 Okay.

00:29:43.000 So the math currently is without Bernie Sanders' support that gets the remaining 50 Democrats all backing it.

00:29:50.000 Then they've got 18 Republicans in the Senate who joined with the 50 Democrats to produce a vote of 68.

00:29:59.000 And remember, the critical threshold that they need is 60 votes.

00:30:02.000 You can't bring debate to a close and therefore can't pass most legislation, including certainly this legislation, without 60 votes.

00:30:10.000 The inverse corollary of that is that 41 votes votes.

00:30:15.000 If you can hold 41 votes against almost any bill, you can defeat almost any bill that way.

00:30:19.000 You certainly can defeat this bill that way.

00:30:22.000 What that means is if we cut in half the number of Senate Republicans, 18, as it stood last night, willing to support this bill, we can stop the bill.

00:30:35.000 Or we can at least stop it until the Senate has had a chance to debate it more and amend it more.

00:30:41.000 Consider a single amendment right now, as it stands, Charlie.

00:30:44.000 This thing has been negotiated in secret by a tiny handful of senators to the exclusion of the American people and not giving the people's elected lawmakers in the Senate the chance to debate it.

00:30:57.000 This is total disenfranchisement and taking money away from them that's not theirs to spend.

00:31:02.000 Yeah, and it's just the process is the insult.

00:31:04.000 And so, Senator, it seems there was a CNN montage, and I don't think we have it here, but there's more and more signaling that McConnell's time might be up.

00:31:15.000 He might not run for leader again.

00:31:18.000 Can you give us a little bit of a temperature check there?

00:31:21.000 Because this is not leadership.

00:31:23.000 This is capitulation.

00:31:25.000 It's worse than that.

00:31:26.000 It's worse than that.

00:31:27.000 This is open warfare against those who have elected him to be the leader.

00:31:32.000 Now, to be clear, I did not support him when he ran for re-election as leader in the fall of 2022.

00:31:39.000 I nominated and endorsed and backed and helped Rick Scott, who was the first challenger he's had since I've been here at least, and supported him.

00:31:48.000 That one didn't succeed.

00:31:51.000 But the rest of the conference, or a lot of the rest of the conference, those not among the 11 of us who didn't vote for him, they too. are split on this bill and split overwhelmingly where the American people are split and where Republican voters are at large, which is to a margin of like two or three to one, they're against this thing.

00:32:15.000 They don't like it.

00:32:16.000 And yet here, the Republican Senate leader is doing everything he can to make a deal with the Democrats that unites the Senate Democrats, that pleases the White House, that infuriates and enrages most Republicans in the Senate and in the House, and most Republicans in America generally.

00:32:34.000 And in order to pass bills that enact Democratic priorities.

00:32:38.000 Charlie, I wish I could say this was the first time this had happened, or the second time it had happened, or the fourth time, or the fifth time it had happened.

00:32:46.000 I've lost count of how many times this has happened, even how many times it's happened since Joe Biden has been in office.

00:32:53.000 So look, this is nothing personal, nothing personal.

00:32:56.000 But when you get to that point where you're helping the other team, you're scoring goals for the other team, and you're working against your own team, and you're denigrating your own team, and you're sending your allies in the media to attack those who don't agree with you with your own party as you're skewering your own party's goals.

00:33:16.000 It's time for you to go.

00:33:18.000 Absolutely.

00:33:19.000 And it seems as if more and more senators are willing to say that and signal in that direction.

00:33:24.000 And it's not as if we don't have other alternatives.

00:33:26.000 Senator Scott has put his hat in the ring.

00:33:28.000 He wants to be leader.

00:33:30.000 He's capable.

00:33:31.000 He listens to his voters.

00:33:32.000 Is that somebody that you think has a likelihood potentially here?

00:33:36.000 I mean, have you heard that Senator McConnell will run for leader again, or is that to be determined?

00:33:42.000 Well, it's to be determined that there are many who think that he won't run again.

00:33:46.000 And I certainly think that would make sense for him to not run again.

00:33:50.000 But we have received no assurance on that front.

00:33:54.000 And especially since we have received no assurance on that front, we have to assume, unless we're until he rules it out, that he's planning on doing it.

00:34:02.000 And that is itself very concerning.

00:34:05.000 In any event, we're at a point in time where as we're approaching an election, that may end up being the most consequential election of our lifetimes.

00:34:13.000 The watershed moment.

00:34:15.000 We need for the Senate Republican Conference to be firing on all eight cylinders.

00:34:20.000 We need all 51 of our senators to be represented in Senate Republican leadership and not just 18 out of 49 who, for whatever reason, want to side with the Democrats on this one.

00:34:34.000 Yeah.

00:34:34.000 And so, Senator, I want to ask a comment here.

00:34:36.000 Senator Vance is coming on the show later.

00:34:38.000 There is this, it's circulating online.

00:34:40.000 I want to get to the facts.

00:34:41.000 Is it true that in this package, there would be automatic impeachment if Trump terminates funding for the Ukraine war, if he were to become president, a poison pill for the next president?

00:34:52.000 Is that correct?

00:34:55.000 I had not heard that.

00:34:56.000 That's really, really overreaching, I would think, in order to say that, especially because there's well-established authority for presidents to impound certain funds, to make discretionary decisions not to release certain funds.

00:35:15.000 I certainly can't imagine that would be automatically impeachable.

00:35:18.000 But keep this in mind.

00:35:19.000 In order to do that, we've got to win elections, enough elections around the country and House and Senate races to make that a reality.

00:35:28.000 The best way we can stop that is to win elections.

00:35:30.000 And the best way we can win elections is to show genuine actual contrast between Democrats and Republicans, not blurring that contrast as this bill does.

00:35:39.000 Look, none of this means that you can't do things that are bipartisan.

00:35:41.000 That's great.

00:35:42.000 That's fine.

00:35:42.000 That's, in fact, it's an inevitability in the United States Senate.

00:35:46.000 Because of our rules, you basically can't pass anything that's not bipartisan.

00:35:50.000 What I'm against is not bipartisanship or compromise.

00:35:52.000 That's an inevitability around here.

00:35:55.000 What I'm against is bipartisan and compromise in a direction that benefits only the Democrats, that accomplishes policies favored by Democrats, that unites Democratic senators and sharply divides Republican senators while cutting against everything that many of them stand for.

00:36:13.000 Senator, you're doing an excellent job.

00:36:15.000 We're going to do everything we can to rally the troops to hopefully we could defeat this in the Senate.

00:36:19.000 It's a vile piece of legislation.

00:36:22.000 Senator, thank you so much.

00:36:24.000 Hey, thank you very much.

00:36:25.000 Good to be with you.

00:36:26.000 Thank you.

00:36:29.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:30.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:33.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 12, 2024

Three Senators Sound Off on the Republican Betrayal

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