The Charlie Kirk Show - March 13, 2024


TikTok: The Good, The Bad, and The Ban


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To ban or not to ban? That is the question. Today, the House of Representatives passed a bill allowing the Biden White House to ban TikTok by a 352-65 vote, though opposition was weighted more towards the left.

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00:00:01.000 To ban or not to ban?
00:00:02.000 That is the question.
00:00:04.000 We examine the TikTok conversation from all angles.
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00:01:29.000 We begin with a question, and I don't quite know where I fall on it.
00:01:35.000 I have been leaning one way more than the other, but I want us to do this together.
00:01:40.000 And I want your opinions as we do this.
00:01:43.000 Should we ban TikTok?
00:01:45.000 But that's not really the question.
00:01:46.000 The question is: should we support the current piece of legislation that says that it's only there to ban TikTok?
00:01:53.000 So let's be very clear.
00:01:55.000 TikTok is societal poison.
00:01:58.000 It is a toxin in our society. 0.96
00:02:01.000 It is directly connected with the rise in transgenderism with our youth.
00:02:06.000 It is a vessel for far-left-wing politics.
00:02:10.000 It is an anti-free speech platform.
00:02:13.000 I have been banned from TikTok more times than I can count.
00:02:16.000 TikTok is awful.
00:02:18.000 It is reprehensible.
00:02:21.000 It shouldn't be on your kids' phones.
00:02:22.000 The amount of parents that allow their kids at very young ages to have TikTok on their phone.
00:02:28.000 It just, the death of parenting is one of the great tragedies in modern America.
00:02:33.000 Yeah, here's a smartphone, 11-year-old, and get your values from TikTok, I guess.
00:02:38.000 You could call it digital fentanyl.
00:02:41.000 Some people try to spin TikTok as being this great platform.
00:02:45.000 Ryan, can you get that ad that they're running from that pig farmer?
00:02:49.000 I think that's important.
00:02:50.000 TikTok is doing an all-out propaganda push.
00:02:53.000 The lobbying spree is at a rapid pace right now.
00:02:57.000 So let's go through the facts.
00:03:00.000 The House this morning passed a bill allowing the Biden White House to ban TikTok by a 352 to 65 vote margin.
00:03:10.000 Both parties were overwhelmingly on board, though opposition was weighted more towards the left.
00:03:16.000 58 Democrats voted no, 22 Republicans did the same.
00:03:20.000 The Republican no votes included Nancy Mace, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gates, Massey.
00:03:25.000 Gosar did not vote.
00:03:27.000 The bill now heads to the Senate.
00:03:29.000 It's not clear if the Senate will actually act on this legislation, but they do.
00:03:33.000 And if they pass it, Biden says he'll sign the bill.
00:03:36.000 Now, what the bill will do is allow the Biden White House to designate TikTok as an app owned by a hostile foreign government.
00:03:45.000 It would give Byte Dance, TikTok's Chinese Communist Party-linked owner, a few months to divest itself from TikTok, or else U.S. companies like Microsoft and Apple would be ordered to ban TikTok from their app stores, effectively neutering the distribution.
00:04:00.000 Rubio and Mark Warner are the top Republicans, the top Republican and Democrat on the Senate Intel Committee, and they're trying to pass this bill.
00:04:07.000 So understand this is not an effective ban.
00:04:09.000 It's that they must sell to a United States company.
00:04:12.000 Rumble has put on an offer.
00:04:14.000 They say, hey, we'll buy it.
00:04:16.000 Oracle has been in the mix, which is owned by Larry Ellison, who seems more conservative and Republican than he is a Democrat.
00:04:24.000 So the question, of course, there's so many questions around this.
00:04:27.000 Who buys it?
00:04:29.000 If it's Meta or Mark Zuckerberg, will the poison actually change?
00:04:33.000 Will the social contagion effect be curtailed or stopped?
00:04:37.000 And who's actually pushing for this piece of legislation?
00:04:41.000 We have said for quite some time that Google and Facebook have been lobbying for this piece of legislation.
00:04:48.000 Think about it.
00:04:49.000 Google has YouTube and YouTube shorts.
00:04:52.000 Facebook has Instagram and Instagram reels.
00:04:54.000 TikTok is a competitor.
00:04:56.000 Again, TikTok is worse than both of those platforms, worse than the content that they prioritize, the algorithms that they push.
00:05:03.000 It is worse in the lack of speech on their platforms.
00:05:09.000 TikTok is by far the least free speech and also prioritizes the most toxic content of any platform out there.
00:05:20.000 But is this a push by the big tech companies?
00:05:24.000 What if Google ends up buying TikTok?
00:05:26.000 Is that going to make it that much better?
00:05:28.000 These are all very important questions.
00:05:30.000 And then we must take a step back.
00:05:32.000 It is owned by the Chinese Communist Party.
00:05:34.000 Allegedly, they are data mining every single person who is using the TikTok app on their phone.
00:05:41.000 We're going to have a great conversation on thought crime later.
00:05:44.000 Blake is not convinced that they're actually doing anything with this data.
00:05:47.000 I personally don't think we should be indifferent to the Chinese Communist Party having access to keystroke data and other personal information of our children.
00:05:57.000 I just don't trust the Chinese Communist Party at all.
00:05:59.000 They're an enemy of the United States.
00:06:01.000 So this bill has passed.
00:06:03.000 Let's play one of these cuts here.
00:06:05.000 The lead sponsor of the TikTok bill, who is really not my favorite person, Mike Gallagher.
00:06:12.000 Remember recently, remember he voted against the impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas, and then he says, oh, I'm not running for re-election.
00:06:18.000 Is Mike Gallagher trying to position himself for a nice lobbying gig after he's been a congressman?
00:06:24.000 Play cut 71, please.
00:06:26.000 The only impacted sites are those associated with foreign adversary apps, such as TikTok.com.
00:06:32.000 It can never be used to penalize individuals.
00:06:35.000 The text explicitly prohibits that.
00:06:38.000 And it cannot, cannot be used to censor speech.
00:06:41.000 It takes no position at all on the content of speech, only foreign adversary control.
00:06:48.000 Foreign adversary control. 0.80
00:06:51.000 I urge my colleagues to support this critical bipartisan legislation.
00:06:55.000 So he's framing it as foreign adversary control.
00:06:59.000 But what if we're giving power to the Biden White House that could be used and abused?
00:07:04.000 Now, proponents of the bill say that's not going to happen.
00:07:07.000 That's not going to happen.
00:07:08.000 Now, I'm right there with them with the need to address TikTok.
00:07:12.000 But it doesn't ban it.
00:07:14.000 It will only say that it goes to an American company.
00:07:17.000 Depending on what American company ends up receiving TikTok or purchasing, that's a better term for it, purchasing TikTok, then we'll have a better ability to judge whether or not they are still censoring speech and mining data.
00:07:33.000 Congressman Warren Davidson warns the TikTok bill could create an even bigger surveillance state, play cut 72.
00:07:39.000 And this bill isn't just limited to TikTok.
00:07:42.000 It's a coercive power that can be applied to others.
00:07:45.000 Apps like Telegram, Tor, things that provide privacy would be targeted by this bill.
00:07:53.000 But this is what the administration really wanted to do, what members of Congress at both sides of the aisle wanted to do, is to create a bigger surveillance state.
00:08:01.000 And that's what the Intel Committee wants to do with this.
00:08:03.000 Gentlemen, this time has expired.
00:08:05.000 We have to shrink it and protect Fourth Amendment right to privacy.
00:08:09.000 Part of this feels like the push for the Patriot Act.
00:08:13.000 The Patriot Act felt like it was the right thing to do. 0.94
00:08:16.000 The Patriot Act seemed that it was correct. 0.98
00:08:20.000 Good intentions.
00:08:21.000 And I'm just a little suspicious.
00:08:23.000 I'm sorry.
00:08:24.000 Why the sudden push?
00:08:25.000 Out of nowhere?
00:08:26.000 We can't get bipartisan agreement on the border.
00:08:29.000 We can't get bipartisan agreement, but we can get bipartisan agreement on banning TikTok.
00:08:36.000 Maybe.
00:08:37.000 Again, I am legitimately undecided here, but I'm asking the proper questions.
00:08:42.000 And also, if we do nothing, will TikTok only grow to be more powerful?
00:08:46.000 Will the Chinese Communist Party use TikTok as an ability to influence this presidential election?
00:08:52.000 All of a sudden in October, if TikTok is influencing the election for Joe Biden, who, of course, Joe Biden is a owned and operated and purchased commodity of the Chinese Communist Party government, are we going to wish that we would have forced TikTok to be sold?
00:09:09.000 We're banning TikTok before securing our southern border.
00:09:12.000 So who is pushing this forward?
00:09:15.000 Who's the main driving force?
00:09:18.000 Well, it seems as if it's the tech companies.
00:09:21.000 These tech companies, Google and Facebook, they have to be behind this lobbying spree in favor of it.
00:09:29.000 And is it wise to hand Joe Biden, the federal government, even more far-reaching powers to be able to ban apps they don't like?
00:09:36.000 And they say, oh, it's not going to be used against Rumble or X. I've heard these arguments before.
00:09:42.000 So have you.
00:09:44.000 Are we running too quickly into this?
00:09:47.000 And another thing, when I see this kind of bipartisanship, I get even more skeptical that it's a uniparty regime neoliberal effort, not a legitimate people-centered citizen-led effort.
00:10:04.000 Makes you think.
00:10:05.000 I want your thoughts.
00:10:06.000 Should this piece of legislation pass?
00:10:08.000 Should we give Joe Biden the power to ban a social media application?
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00:11:22.000 Emails are pouring in about whether or not we should ban TikTok or should we support the bill that says it will ban TikTok.
00:11:29.000 It's very important.
00:11:31.000 It is not banning TikTok.
00:11:33.000 It just changes ownership from Chinese Communist Party connected to something in the United States.
00:11:41.000 Let's play Thomas Massey's perspective here.
00:11:44.000 He's against it.
00:11:46.000 Let's play cut 68, please.
00:11:48.000 But there are some of us who feel that either intentionally or unintentionally, this legislation to ban TikTok is actually a Trojan horse.
00:11:58.000 Some of us are concerned that there are First Amendment implications here.
00:12:02.000 Americans have the right to view information.
00:12:05.000 We don't need to be protected by the government from information.
00:12:09.000 Some of us just don't want the president picking which apps we can put on our phones or which websites that we can visit.
00:12:15.000 We don't think that's appropriate.
00:12:17.000 We also think it's dangerous to give the president that kind of power, to give him the power to decide what Americans can see on their phones and their computers.
00:12:27.000 Do we want Joe Biden to have that kind of power?
00:12:29.000 Do we want the Biden White House to be able to pick and choose?
00:12:32.000 I've grown skeptical of all of these sort of legislative efforts recently.
00:12:38.000 Thomas Massey continues, play cut 69.
00:12:40.000 Now, people say that this TikTok ban will only apply to TikTok or maybe another company that pops up just like TikTok.
00:12:48.000 But the bill is written so broadly that the president could abuse that discretion and include other companies that aren't just social media companies.
00:12:58.000 So the question is, is it written that broadly?
00:13:01.000 The proponents of the bill say, no, no, no, don't worry, just trust us.
00:13:05.000 And under normal circumstances, I would, but the power you give the regime is power abused.
00:13:13.000 And a good people are split on this.
00:13:15.000 Steve Bannon is very supportive of this piece of legislation.
00:13:18.000 Tucker Carlson is very opposed to this piece of legislation.
00:13:23.000 And I am not a fan of TikTok.
00:13:25.000 If it could just be, sign a piece of paper, no more TikTok, go away forever, sign me up for that program.
00:13:32.000 But it's not about winning or losing on TikTok.
00:13:37.000 It's about something far deeper than this.
00:13:39.000 It's about what power are we willing to give the executive branch of government?
00:13:43.000 And has the executive branch of government, has the administrative state, has this quiet dictatorship, this fourth branch of government that exists in our country, have they earned our trust?
00:13:59.000 If we don't trust the FBI, we don't trust the CIA, we don't trust the Department of Justice, do we think that whatever law, whatever rules, whatever measures are put into this piece of legislation, is it going to be followed completely?
00:14:16.000 Are they going to go after Rumble or even threaten Elon Musk with this piece of legislation?
00:14:22.000 Thomas Massey finishes his argument.
00:14:24.000 Let's play cut 70, please.
00:14:27.000 There were some people who were legitimately concerned that this was an overly broad bill, and they got an exclusion written into the bill that I want to read.
00:14:38.000 It says the term covered company does not include an entity that operates a website or application whose primary purpose is to allow users to post product reviews, business reviews, or travel information and reviews.
00:14:51.000 Why is this exception in the bill?
00:14:53.000 Why did somebody feel like they needed this exception if the bill itself only covers social media applications that foreign adversaries are running?
00:15:03.000 So one of the proponents, one of the people that's pro-legislation says this.
00:15:10.000 The law would require a fairly holistic review to put another company off the list.
00:15:14.000 The general enforcement investigation would come from the Attorney General's office for civil penalties.
00:15:19.000 But that's after the app has been designated by the White House via an interagency process.
00:15:24.000 In order, for example, Telegram to be even considered, you have to show, one, that it's owned by an entity owned by an adverse sale government, okay, Russia, or is a subsidiary of that company, and that government has control over the app.
00:15:35.000 Okay, Telegram is much different than TikTok in that regard.
00:15:38.000 Sure, it's owned by a Russian company, but it's not controlled by Putin.
00:15:43.000 Okay, but is TikTok controlled by Xi?
00:15:46.000 I guess that's the argument.
00:15:48.000 Whereas Byte Dance literally has a member of the Chinese Communist Party stationed in its boardroom to align itself with Chinese Communist Party priorities.
00:15:55.000 Telegram is a harder case.
00:15:56.000 I mean, the Russian government literally blocked users from it pushing anti-Russian sentiments.
00:16:00.000 Okay.
00:16:01.000 But it seems as if this is the formula in recent political times.
00:16:05.000 We see an issue, we react to it, and we get less freedom and liberty.
00:16:10.000 That is the equation every single time.
00:16:15.000 Would this be different?
00:16:17.000 I don't know.
00:16:18.000 I see good arguments on both sides.
00:16:20.000 I don't want TikTok to have an uninterrupted superhighway into the minds of the future of America.
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00:17:34.000 Say here, Charlie, the more I listen to you and the more people against banning TikTok, I feel this is a bad idea.
00:17:40.000 I was listening to a mom who was saying that there are many young people bashing Biden on TikTok.
00:17:45.000 That is, you know, that is true.
00:17:47.000 Miss Daisy here, who does a lot of great work for us, making sure we remain viral and Mr. Ryan, they were telling me that there's this growing right-wing army on TikTok.
00:17:56.000 I wouldn't know because I'm banned for a hate speech.
00:17:59.000 But if that's true, we should have Isabel on the show, the great Isabel Brown, who's very popular on TikTok.
00:18:06.000 At the same time, I say, if you're popular in a Chinese Communist Party application, that's not that persuasive.
00:18:11.000 I see it both ways.
00:18:13.000 And understand, I think, and I don't want to speak too much out of turn here, but if you count YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Getter, Truth, Social Rumble, I think we have 12 million followers between the 10, 11 million?
00:18:29.000 I can't remember the last number.
00:18:32.000 And I only say that because we understand the social landscape.
00:18:37.000 I don't find the data argument for TikTok to be that persuasive.
00:18:42.000 I'm far more concerned about the social contagion power of its algorithm.
00:18:46.000 I'm concerned about how many kids are becoming gay, how many kids are becoming trans because of this application. 0.71
00:18:54.000 If another company buys it, it means it stays around.
00:18:56.000 Will there be changes?
00:18:57.000 Will there be meaningful alterations?
00:19:01.000 That means that the company is buying the algorithm.
00:19:03.000 It's buying its virality.
00:19:05.000 There's something to TikTok that the Chinese Communist Party and that whole cabal over there, the mafia, that they have figured out how to make that application highly addictive. 0.99
00:19:17.000 I remember before we get on to the breaking Georgia news, I remember Benny Johnson in 2018 said, Charlie, you got to download this app, TikTok.
00:19:26.000 It's the newest thing.
00:19:27.000 This is way before it was a big deal, like years before.
00:19:30.000 And I downloaded it and I hated it.
00:19:33.000 It's like, what is this dancing stuff and music?
00:19:36.000 I hated it.
00:19:37.000 I undownloaded it. 1.00
00:19:39.000 I said, this is the stupidest thing I've ever. 0.99
00:19:40.000 I said, this thing's not going to catch fire. 0.99
00:19:42.000 Good thing I'm not in the prediction business there of what apps are going to work.
00:19:46.000 And of course, during COVID, it just surged.
00:19:48.000 Kids had tons of time on their hands.
00:19:49.000 Parents weren't parenting.
00:19:51.000 Every parent was giving them a phone.
00:19:53.000 And there you go.
00:19:56.000 I do not understand.
00:19:57.000 And maybe a parent can email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:20:01.000 I don't understand how you could consider yourself a good parent and allow your child under 16 to have access to TikTok.
00:20:10.000 If you can make that argument to me, email me freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:20:15.000 I'm saying even under 16 is a cutoff.
00:20:17.000 If you have a 14-year-old kid and they're on TikTok, I'm not saying you're a bad parent.
00:20:22.000 I don't see how you could be a good parent, though.
00:20:24.000 I don't.
00:20:25.000 And if you think you're a good parent and your kid's on TikTok and 14 years old, then your kid might turn trans. 1.00
00:20:31.000 That's the reality of this situation.
00:20:33.000 Remember, when you buy a social media company, you're buying their user base, their algorithm, and their user interface.
00:20:41.000 Almost none of those things will change.
00:20:43.000 Are there Chinese Communist Party backdoors in the programming that will allow them to get the data anyways?
00:20:49.000 Also, the Chinese Communist Party can they not buy the data for pennies on the dollar to third parties?
00:20:54.000 These are very important questions.
00:20:56.000 So I want you to keep on going in, email me freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:21:02.000 And again, I think I'm in some ways able to express an opinion that is purely principled here because I have vile disdain for TikTok.
00:21:13.000 And yet I still have hesitancy here.
00:21:16.000 I have hesitancy because of pattern recognition and see what happens when we give the government all this power.
00:21:21.000 So keep on emailing me freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:21:23.000 Let's get to the Georgia news.
00:21:25.000 Okay, some big Georgia news today.
00:21:27.000 The Fulton County case continues to take body blows from the Georgia court system.
00:21:31.000 Overall, the Fulton County case, as brought by Fannie Willis, had 41 charges against many people.
00:21:36.000 This morning, Judge Scott McAfee threw out six of those 41 charges.
00:21:40.000 Three of the charges applied to Donald Trump.
00:21:42.000 So the 13 charges against Donald Trump has now been dropped to 10.
00:21:46.000 Let's play MSNBC reporting play cut 64, please.
00:21:50.000 We just got a filing from the court.
00:21:54.000 They're in Fulton County.
00:21:56.000 What can you tell us?
00:21:59.000 Yeah, I've just obtained that filing.
00:22:01.000 And basically, what is happening is that Judge Scott McAfee is dismissing several of the charges here in Georgia against former President Donald Trump, six of the charges in this order.
00:22:12.000 And so this is certainly notable because the former president was facing a number of charges, but for to have six of them removed is notable.
00:22:21.000 It's notable.
00:22:22.000 By the way, when are we going to finally, Blake, can you tell me when are we finally going to get a ruling from this judge on Fannie Willis's love affairs, garage door openers?
00:22:32.000 Any day now?
00:22:33.000 We've been hearing that for a while.
00:22:35.000 Is it possible that maybe the judge did this first before the ruling for a reason?
00:22:39.000 I'm very curious whether or not this is going to keep her on the case.
00:22:45.000 I can't imagine that any judge, and this judge seems like a very solid guy, would allow Fannie Willis to continue or her whole office.
00:22:54.000 The whole thing should be dismissed. 0.99
00:22:55.000 Send it to another county.
00:22:59.000 MSNBC continues play cut 65.
00:23:02.000 Potentially momentous decision or monumental decision that could completely derail the case altogether if Judge Scott McAfee were to come out and say he's determined Fonnie Willis is disqualified.
00:23:17.000 Yeah, you know, a couple of things.
00:23:18.000 Absolutely.
00:23:18.000 That's what we're still waiting on.
00:23:20.000 And that was kind of the bomb that we were expecting to drop this week.
00:23:22.000 And so this is certainly a separate, unexpected, though certainly consequential ruling from the judge.
00:23:28.000 So overall, the Fulton County case, as brought by Big Fanny Willis, had 41 charges against many people.
00:23:35.000 This morning, he threw out six of those 41.
00:23:38.000 So the drop charges relate to allegations of, quote, soliciting the violation of oath by a public officer, basically the pressure on Brad Rothensberger to find votes in Georgia.
00:23:46.000 And also the pressure on Georgia lawmakers to vote to throw out the state's 2020 results.
00:23:51.000 Quote, as written, these six counts contain all the essential elements of the crimes, but fail to allege sufficient detail regarding the nature of their commission.
00:23:59.000 They do not give the defendants enough information to prepare their defenses intelligently, as defendants could have violated the Constitution and thus the statute in dozens, if not hundreds or of distinct ways.
00:24:10.000 Let's not overexaggerate this.
00:24:11.000 This case is still ongoing.
00:24:12.000 Most of these charges remain intact.
00:24:14.000 McAfee says the charges could conceivably be refiled.
00:24:19.000 But for now, he says that those six charges were so lacking in detail, it was not possible for the defendants to effectively defend themselves.
00:24:26.000 Now, Judge McAfee still hasn't ruled on whether or not to dismiss Fanny Willis as a prosecutor, as we've said.
00:24:31.000 We had a big story last week from the federalist Molly Hemingway.
00:24:34.000 I wish she wouldn't have published it on a Friday.
00:24:35.000 It was like the last thing that I tweeted out before Shabbat, where the Fulton County case was kicked off by Jordan Fuchs, the chief of staff to Brad Roffensberger, making an illegal recording of the phone call between Rothensberger and Trump.
00:24:50.000 So a crime very well might have started the entire investigation into Trump.
00:24:55.000 MSNBC continues play cut 66.
00:24:58.000 I want to take you back to what started this whole thing in the beginning.
00:25:01.000 That was that phone call that the former president made to the Republican Secretary of State here in Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, essentially asking him to find enough votes to overturn Biden's election victory here in the state.
00:25:13.000 Well, the judge is basically saying that the charges, the counts related to that phone call, he is throwing out.
00:25:20.000 This is a solid judge so far.
00:25:22.000 I got to be honest.
00:25:23.000 This is a solid ruling.
00:25:25.000 That was always very bizarre to me that Donald Trump could potentially go to prison for calling the Secretary of State.
00:25:33.000 And he said, I want you to find the votes.
00:25:36.000 Okay, so I want to read this.
00:25:37.000 This is what Donald Trump, Alan Dershowitz, made this argument to his great credit.
00:25:42.000 I want to read this is what Trump was indicted for, and it's now been caught.
00:25:45.000 Quote, so look, all I want to do is this.
00:25:49.000 I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state, adding that, quote, there's no way I lost Georgia.
00:26:00.000 There's no way.
00:26:00.000 We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.
00:26:04.000 He didn't say create.
00:26:05.000 He didn't say invent.
00:26:06.000 He didn't say manufacture.
00:26:08.000 He didn't say to manipulate.
00:26:10.000 He said to find.
00:26:13.000 So think about it.
00:26:14.000 There could have been uncounted military absentee ballots.
00:26:17.000 There could have been oversee what's called Uakava votes or the oversea emissary, oversee U.S. citizen votes.
00:26:28.000 Any one of those.
00:26:29.000 I want you to find the votes.
00:26:33.000 Embedded in the word find is that they already exist.
00:26:37.000 So is it against the law now to tell somebody to try to say, hey, can you go find votes?
00:26:43.000 Is it against a lot of chase ballots?
00:26:45.000 That is exactly why the judge tossed this.
00:26:48.000 For example, can you go find me a sandwich?
00:26:51.000 Hey, can you find me a flight to Miami?
00:26:54.000 It doesn't include stealing the plane.
00:26:58.000 When you tell somebody, hey, can you find me a cup of coffee?
00:27:02.000 Or tomorrow when I'm speaking at Cal State Fullerton, I say, hey, Mikey, can you find if there's an In-Out burger nearby?
00:27:08.000 Is that against the law?
00:27:10.000 By the way, In-N Outburger is amazing.
00:27:13.000 If I say, hey, can you find if they have any green tea?
00:27:19.000 Find means it already exists.
00:27:21.000 The judge is doing the right thing here.
00:27:22.000 I'm glad he's tossing it up.
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00:28:30.000 What kind of a majority does the House Republican have?
00:28:33.000 Do you know?
00:28:33.000 Do we know what seat majority the Republicans have?
00:28:37.000 Well, McCarthy just resigned at the end of the year.
00:28:40.000 We have some guy that became a college president in Ohio.
00:28:43.000 We decided to expel Santos.
00:28:45.000 What if I told you that now, given recent news, we are one heartbeat away from Speaker Jeffries.
00:28:51.000 One heartbeat away from Speaker Jeffries.
00:28:56.000 And I am not being morbid, but if you look at how overweight and old some of those Republicans are, they better drive safe and they better get their cholesterol down.
00:29:10.000 I'm not joking.
00:29:12.000 You got 280 people and 100 of them are octogenarians.
00:29:16.000 You got to watch out.
00:29:18.000 Congress is joked around as being a nursing home for the ruling class.
00:29:22.000 Well, Ken Buck, who you got to speculate, Ken Buck is being manipulated.
00:29:30.000 You got to wonder what exactly is going on with Ken Buck.
00:29:36.000 I've known Ken Buck for a while.
00:29:37.000 We stopped talking, obviously.
00:29:39.000 He is not a good person anymore.
00:29:43.000 He just became super spiteful.
00:29:45.000 Ken Buck announced yesterday he's resigning his seat.
00:29:51.000 Resigning his seat.
00:29:54.000 Not a health issue.
00:29:56.000 He's not resigning at the end of the term.
00:29:58.000 He's just abruptly resigning his seat midterm.
00:30:02.000 Currently, we have a 219 to 213 seat majority.
00:30:06.000 Democrats will win a special election next month, and that will go to 214.
00:30:10.000 Yeah, for you keeping score at home.
00:30:12.000 That will make us a 216 to 214, one seat majority.
00:30:18.000 One seat majority.
00:30:21.000 Here's Ken Buck, who couldn't help himself but hustle on over to CNN to talk about how he's resigning midterm play cut 73.
00:30:35.000 Really, that miserable right now to be, I mean, from the outside in, it doesn't look that fun.
00:30:39.000 From the inside in, is it that bad that you're saying I'm done?
00:30:44.000 It is the worst year of the nine years and three months that I've been in Congress.
00:30:49.000 And having talked to former members, it's the worst year in 40, 50 years to be in Congress.
00:30:54.000 But I'm leaving because I think there's a job to do out there that I want to go do.
00:30:59.000 This is repulsive.
00:31:01.000 You asked to be elected.
00:31:02.000 You didn't want it.
00:31:03.000 Why did you run for re-election then?
00:31:05.000 Why are you resigning in the middle of your term?
00:31:07.000 What job do you have to do out there?
00:31:08.000 Go be a lobbyist?
00:31:09.000 Go work for CNN?
00:31:11.000 You have eight months left.
00:31:12.000 And by the way, you don't even work eight of those months.
00:31:14.000 You're off like the entire month of July and August.
00:31:17.000 It's an election year.
00:31:18.000 So it'll be off in like September, October.
00:31:20.000 You can go vacation in Key West and hang out.
00:31:25.000 You're just going to betray your constituents and with it, the House Republican majority.
00:31:30.000 So it's one of two explanations.
00:31:31.000 Number one, it could be spite, that Ken Buck just is full of spite.
00:31:34.000 Or number two, that Ken Buck has done some very dark and dirty things and the intel agencies are blackmailing him.
00:31:40.000 Don't take my word for it.
00:31:42.000 Remember, Congressman Burchett?
00:31:44.000 I don't think we can get that super quick, right, Ryan?
00:31:46.000 Burchett said, hey, somebody comes, whispers in your ear, and they say, hey, we've got a picture of you with a naked girl, and you better do what you tell you to do.
00:31:53.000 Is Ken Buck being actively blackmailed by the dark arts machine of the Imperial Capital of Washington, D.C.?
00:32:02.000 So for those of you keeping score at home, we started with, I think, a four or five-seat majority, if I'm not mistaken.
00:32:08.000 We are now down to a one-seat majority.
00:32:12.000 Kicked out Santos.
00:32:14.000 McCarthy resigns.
00:32:16.000 Ken Buck resigns.
00:32:18.000 You also have to wonder: is this sort of a jab against Lauren Bobert, CD3 in Colorado?
00:32:25.000 They know that if she goes for the special election, CD4 will be vacant until January if she wins it. 0.80
00:32:31.000 Telling you, one of those old dudes who's had one too many helpings of pancakes, waffles, and donuts.
00:32:39.000 If all of a sudden something bad happens, God forbid, all of a sudden, our House majority will be flipped.
00:32:46.000 Ken Buck resigning March 22nd.
00:32:49.000 In nine days, our House majority will go down to effectively one vote.
00:32:57.000 Just a reminder: tomorrow I'll be at Cal State Fullerton.
00:32:59.000 I will not be hosting the show tomorrow.
00:33:01.000 Producer Andrew will be.
00:33:03.000 We do these amazing things where I go to campus for a couple hours and talk to these students, and the videos go very viral.
00:33:08.000 It just happens to be right during our show.
00:33:11.000 And so, producer Andrew, he can do a great job and he will.
00:33:14.000 Joining us now is Raheem Kassam from National Pulse.
00:33:18.000 Did I get that right?
00:33:20.000 Is that right, Raheem?
00:33:21.000 All right, good.
00:33:22.000 I always get the second part a little confused.
00:33:25.000 So, Raheem, I have a lot of respect for you.
00:33:27.000 I haven't made up my mind yet, but I'm tilting in one direction.
00:33:30.000 So, make the case for this banning TikTok bill that has now passed the House.
00:33:38.000 Yeah, thanks, Charlie.
00:33:39.000 I have been very animated about this today because I didn't quite realize just how much the club for, we used to call it the Club for China Growth, the Club for China Growth Money and all of that was splashing around Washington, D.C., trying to convince people that somehow it's a good idea to allow the Chinese Communist Party and its tentacles to remain in American public life. 0.87
00:34:02.000 And, you know, this morning we saw some totally egregious, false statements by people who I respect, people whose work that I have followed for a long time, Thomas Massey being one of them, Rand Paul being another, who were reading in part from the bill.
00:34:19.000 But I just happen to have a full copy of the bill right here.
00:34:22.000 And up at the National Pulse, by the way, we've published just now an article by somebody who worked in the Trump administration on the TikTok ban itself specifically, who says this is exactly what we wanted.
00:34:34.000 This is exactly what we were working on during the Trump administration.
00:34:38.000 So let me break it down for the people who think that somewhere in this bill contains provisions for Joe Biden or the U.S. government to censor them on X or Twitter or anywhere else.
00:34:52.000 This bill is very specific about foreign adversary control of applications, websites, and it goes into detail about what foreign adversary control actually means.
00:35:07.000 I've done an entire video on this this morning where I walk people through.
00:35:12.000 This is specifically about TikTok, bike dance, and the Chinese Communist Party.
00:35:18.000 And it does not and could not apply to anything in any person, website, outlet in the domestic United States.
00:35:26.000 So that is the first part of this.
00:35:29.000 I think we have to just, there's a lot of money, a lot of TikTok cash floating around Washington, D.C. right now to try to convince you that this Republican-written bill, this MAGA Republican written bill, is somehow going to end up with the censorship of you or I. Let me tell you something, Charlie.
00:35:46.000 If there was any semblance of a chance of that, of the Biden regime going after us on the grounds of this, I would be the first to start ringing the alarm because I would be one of the first that it would be used against.
00:35:58.000 But that's not what's in this bill.
00:36:00.000 What is in this bill is very specific, and it basically says: look, if the company is owned 20% or more by a foreign adversary and that foreign adversary is spelled out bike dance, TikTok, Chinese Communist Party, then it either needs to divest itself of that investment or it cannot broadcast and be utilized in the United States.
00:36:19.000 I think it's a perfectly reasonable thing.
00:36:20.000 It's a very tight bill.
00:36:22.000 It's only 12 pages.
00:36:23.000 People can read this for themselves.
00:36:24.000 Don't take my word for it.
00:36:26.000 And I think it's everything that they battled for during the Trump administration.
00:36:30.000 So let's just take and I hear you and all that.
00:36:33.000 The foreign adversary, though, Telegram, for example, has connections to Russia.
00:36:38.000 What would prevent them from going after my beloved Telegram?
00:36:44.000 Well, specifically, this bill actually talks about bike dance and TikTok.
00:36:49.000 So there's nothing in this bill that would necessarily predicate them being able to go after Telegram.
00:36:54.000 For instance, I'll quote from you here.
00:36:56.000 Number three, foreign adversary controlled application means a website, desktop application, mobile application, or augmented immersive technology application that is operated directly or indirectly through a parent company, subsidiary, or affiliate of any of the following: Bike Dance, TikTok, a subsidiary or successor to an entity identified in clause A, or that is controlled by the foreign adversary.
00:37:17.000 That is not the case with Telegram.
00:37:18.000 That is not the case with any of the other platforms we use, quite frankly.
00:37:22.000 I use a bunch of them.
00:37:24.000 This is very specific.
00:37:25.000 And look, if there's a problem with this bill, for me, it's actually that it doesn't go far enough because it has this 20% ownership threshold in it for the Chinese Communist Party.
00:37:36.000 So what they could do is actually drop their shareholding to 19% and actually get away with the provisions against that in this bill.
00:37:44.000 If there are problems on the libertarian right with this bill, if there are freedom and free speech implications that people are concerned about with this bill, well, then I'm happy to look at another draft.
00:37:56.000 If Tom Massey or anybody else wants to draft what they would like this to look like, fine.
00:38:01.000 But they're not doing that.
00:38:02.000 They're just saying, hey, we don't like the idea of the government being able to control social media in this country.
00:38:07.000 Let me tell you this.
00:38:08.000 This is not about giving the U.S. government more power over what you get to say in the United States.
00:38:14.000 It's about taking the power away from the Chinese Communist Party.
00:38:18.000 I don't know how we've got to a position where suddenly everybody believes that a China-owned application that is in almost every young American's phones is okay, but we weren't there last year.
00:38:30.000 What changed?
00:38:31.000 This changed.
00:38:32.000 Yeah, so talk about the, again, I'm neutral.
00:38:35.000 I don't have very strong opinions on this.
00:38:39.000 That's not true.
00:38:40.000 I have strong opinions.
00:38:40.000 I haven't made up my mind because I do have fear of government overreach.
00:38:43.000 And I've seen them lie.
00:38:45.000 And I see the government and the executive branch and the administrative state just not follow the law.
00:38:49.000 But I hear you clearly.
00:38:50.000 And I think TikTok is a societal toxin and poison.
00:38:53.000 And I wish we could just ban it without any sort of ambiguity.
00:38:57.000 So I'm there with you 100%.
00:38:59.000 What kind of money is flowing around here?
00:39:01.000 Can you tell us who, what, when, who's involved?
00:39:05.000 And how can a foreign country lobby for U.S. legislation?
00:39:09.000 Or are Americans involved in this?
00:39:11.000 Well, so this is what I actually think this is all about beneath the surface.
00:39:15.000 And here, here I go putting my tinfoil hat on, right?
00:39:19.000 I suspect that what's really going on here is that Americans like Jeffrey Yass, who are heavily invested, I mean, heavily invested, billionaire, I mean, billionaires with billions invested in TikTok, are attempting to leverage organizations like the Club for Growth.
00:39:36.000 They're funneling money in.
00:39:38.000 The Club for Growth is in tandem then lobbying on Capitol Hill.
00:39:42.000 One of our people that we know quite well, Kellyanne Conway, is lobbying on Capitol Hill, using that money, TikTok money, to try and get people to change their minds over this.
00:39:52.000 But critically, they're also lobbying President Trump.
00:39:56.000 And here's what I think is going to happen.
00:39:58.000 If it can be shown through bank transactions, financial transactions, whatever, that money flowed into the Trump campaign at the same time that President Trump changed his position on TikTok, then the Biden regime and Merrick Garland will say Donald Trump is an asset of China and they will start to do the whole Russiagate thing all over again, but this time with China.
00:40:19.000 I actually think that's what they're really hoping happens here.
00:40:22.000 But to answer your question directly, look, it's investors like Jeffrey Yass who give a lot of money to conservative politicians on Capitol Hill and it's groups like Club for Growth.
00:40:32.000 And look, there will always be, always be, and there should not never be, a situation where people are concerned about the civil liberties and the free speech implications of government taking these steps.
00:40:44.000 But again, ladies and gentlemen, please don't take my word for it.
00:40:47.000 Read the bill for yourself because a lot of people are pulling out.
00:40:50.000 I mean, Thomas Massey, I thought this was gross, by the way.
00:40:53.000 Thomas Massey pulled out one part of this bill, right, where it says, quote, qualified divestiture.
00:41:00.000 The term qualified divestiture means a divestiture or similar transaction that the president determines through an interagency process would result in the relevant covered company no longer being controlled by a foreign adversary.
00:41:10.000 And B, the president determines through an interagency process precludes the establishment or maintenance of any operational relationship between the United States, blah, And they're pulling that out and they're saying, see, this means that Biden can just arbitrarily decide.
00:41:23.000 And they don't show you the 10 pages that went before that, which stipulates, no, it's only TikTok and ByteDance that that's applying to.
00:41:31.000 So I think people are being disingenuous and dishonest about it.
00:41:34.000 Read the bill for yourselves, ladies and gentlemen.
00:41:36.000 This is about stopping CCP influence in America.
00:41:39.000 I thought we were all for that.
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00:42:24.000 So Raheem, what do you say to the people that will say, but it doesn't ban it?
00:42:27.000 It just makes an American company buy it.
00:42:29.000 So this will potentially be owned by Google or Facebook.
00:42:33.000 Yeah, well, I think that's far better than it being owned by the Chinese Communist Party for a start.
00:42:38.000 But I also think that there are other options here.
00:42:40.000 I mean, I saw that Rumble yesterday put out a statement and said, look, they are happy to join a consortium, specifically as a cloud hosting partner in a takeover.
00:42:51.000 And that is something that the bill addresses, right?
00:42:53.000 It's talking about divestiture or sale.
00:42:56.000 And it would be 180 days after the bill passes that this would have to happen by.
00:43:01.000 So, it doesn't even necessarily impact this coming presidential election.
00:43:05.000 Let's say if the Senate gets to it in a month and then it goes to Biden's desk, I mean, it takes you up until after the election to actually have anything like that happen.
00:43:14.000 Yeah, look, there will be American companies chomping at the bit to try and get their hands on something like this.
00:43:19.000 It's an incredibly powerful platform.
00:43:21.000 But at the same time, American companies will also have American oversight already written into American law via your legislative branch.
00:43:30.000 And if there were to be any overstep, any overstretch, especially on a bill like this, I would imagine this current Supreme Court especially would have no problem jumping in and saying, hold on a second, guys, this is not what the bill says.
00:43:40.000 This is not what you're allowed to do.
00:43:42.000 So, I think, you know, President Trump had some wonderful Supreme Court picks.
00:43:45.000 I would expect them to uphold the rule of law when it comes to something like this.
00:43:49.000 But what is the alternative here, Charlie?
00:43:51.000 To continue to allow the Chinese Communist Party via bite dance to impact America, impact your elections, foist the pandemic upon you, drill narratives into young Americans' heads that, by the way, they're not doing that with the Chinese version of TikTok. 0.98
00:44:06.000 You don't see the degenerate content that you see in America on the Chinese version of TikTok.
00:44:11.000 This is a foreign power tool that is being used by a foreign adversary.
00:44:15.000 And let's be clear about this, by the way, as well.
00:44:18.000 We're not talking about an allied nation.
00:44:20.000 We're not talking about a European nation.
00:44:22.000 This bill would never exist.
00:44:23.000 This is literally the first line of this bill says to protect the national security of the United States from the threat posed by foreign adversary-controlled applications.
00:44:32.000 I think it hits the nail on the head.
00:44:34.000 I'm very interested in people reading this for themselves rather than like having little chunks that they see on people's Twitter feeds.
00:44:40.000 It's imperative for citizen stakeholders to do that.
00:44:43.000 It's 12 pages.
00:44:44.000 Go and read it.
00:44:45.000 So, Raheem, can you our audience is confused about one thing?
00:44:49.000 And we're getting lots of emails, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:44:52.000 President Trump is against this piece of legislation.
00:44:56.000 He was once in favor of banning TikTok.
00:44:58.000 Help me understand.
00:45:00.000 I don't want to speak out of turn, but look, the way it's been described to me is that there is a lot of money on the table.
00:45:11.000 There's a lot of club for growth cash on the table.
00:45:13.000 And one of the people who is funding the club for growth in a massive way at the moment is Jeffy Ass.
00:45:18.000 Jeff Yass is hugely invested in TikTok.
00:45:23.000 So the campaign needs cash.
00:45:24.000 I mean, it needs a lot of cash.
00:45:26.000 And this is, again, I don't want to make it seem like there is a pay-for-play going on here, but this is politics.
00:45:33.000 This is the kind of compromise that politicians and campaigns and candidates often have to make.
00:45:38.000 I'm not sure, by the way, that President Trump is fully sold on the position of opposing the ban.
00:45:44.000 I know he sent some tweets about it or truths about it, sorry, last week, but I'm also hearing at the same time that he's not completely sold on the idea that this is what he wants to do.
00:45:53.000 And that those truths were kind of him gauging the reaction to this from his own base, as he often does, by the way.
00:45:59.000 So I would say, and people can take me to the cleaners on this if they want to, if it doesn't happen, I would say that we are going to experience a further nuancing of President Trump positions in the next week over this.
00:46:11.000 That is what I am told.
00:46:12.000 That is what I expect.
00:46:13.000 Where do you think the base is on this?
00:46:15.000 Because Congress is acting as if there's massive majority support.
00:46:19.000 Where do you think the base is at with this?
00:46:21.000 I think torn, honestly, and fairly so.
00:46:24.000 You know, the way this bill has been kind of broadcast and the way that the TikTok lobbyists have thrown cash at this to try and confuse the issue, it's no surprise to me that members of the ordinary public are confused over this.
00:46:39.000 This is why I didn't explain a video that is available on Guesser on Truth on X on Instagram, not on TikTok, that I published this morning to walk people through it and say, look, I know what you're hearing.
00:46:52.000 That's not in the bill.
00:46:53.000 I thought it was really disingenuous what Elon Musk tweeted about the other day.
00:46:58.000 He has his own Chinese business interests, by the way.
00:47:01.000 And so the only thing I can say to people is bother to get down into the nitty-gritty for yourselves.
00:47:06.000 I think if you read it, and I have multiple times over backwards, there's no doubt in my mind that this is specifically targeted at TikTok in China.
00:47:17.000 And I think that's right.
00:47:18.000 I think that's good.
00:47:19.000 I think we should all want the Chinese Communist Party out of our lives, especially after what they did during the pandemic, especially with the narratives that they push via TikTok with transgenderism, especially with an election coming up. 0.98
00:47:31.000 I think the less China you have, the better. 0.99
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