The Charlie Kirk Show - Time to Disobey.

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00:01:04.000 Truth is so important to me.

00:01:06.000 Pursuing truth is a huge part of who I am and what I stand for.

00:01:10.000 When you look around at what's happening to our country, you can see why many people are experiencing real frustration with the news media along with feelings of uncertainty and a lack of hope for the future.

00:01:18.000 How can we know which news is true and where or in whom can we place our trust?

00:01:23.000 The only place I found unwavering truth and peace is in my faith in Jesus Christ.

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00:02:22.000 I don't know if you have already picked up on this, but this church is a little bit wound up.

00:02:28.000 I love it.

00:02:28.000 Yeah.

00:02:29.000 And you're having church in person, which is exactly what it should be doing.

00:02:33.000 Yeah.

00:02:35.000 Yeah, like Kathy said, we've done this for 26 weeks.

00:02:39.000 So May 31st, we opened up our doors as a church.

00:02:42.000 It was a little scary, but every week we kind of get used to it.

00:02:46.000 And now we're at three services and having you here.

00:02:51.000 And our governor has really tried to say, don't have church.

00:02:54.000 He's trying to tell us: don't have church.

00:02:56.000 Don't sing.

00:02:58.000 Don't chant.

00:02:59.000 Don't do wood instruments or anything like that.

00:03:03.000 We don't usually do that.

00:03:04.000 But I mean, so, you know, here we are in this environment, and a lot of churches haven't opened their doors.

00:03:11.000 You know, we have it right in front of our church right there.

00:03:14.000 We say hashtag open the doors.

00:03:16.000 Why aren't churches opening the doors?

00:03:21.000 It's something that's been, first of all, you deserve credit for opening your doors and staying open because not enough churches have done that.

00:03:30.000 That's number one.

00:03:31.000 Number two, it's really been something that's really been frustrating for me, you know, as a believer, as an evangelical Christian, but also in the political space.

00:03:39.000 I've seen this in the last seven months.

00:03:42.000 A lot of pastors get involved in politics incorrectly and really clumsily.

00:03:48.000 Some of them pandering to BLM Incorporated, critical race theory, and others that have said we must obey everything that the government tells us no matter what.

00:03:57.000 And they hide behind what I think is a very sloppy and lazy reading of Romans 13.

00:04:02.000 We can get into that.

00:04:03.000 But what's been really telling is how these churches have grown very comfortable doing the YouTube live stream church format where they pre-tape their sermon on Tuesday or Thursday.

00:04:15.000 They see all the tithes and offerings come in.

00:04:17.000 They don't have to deal with everyone after service.

00:04:20.000 And no, that's what they say.

00:04:21.000 They'll be like, yeah, it's actually been really nice the last six months.

00:04:25.000 And that's not what the church is supposed to be.

00:04:27.000 The church is actually supposed to be culturally disagreeable by nature.

00:04:32.000 The church is supposed to be kind of a thorn in the side of secular humanism.

00:04:38.000 Like the church is supposed to be a light in the darkness by definition.

00:04:46.000 And so you asked, why are so many churches not doing this?

00:04:51.000 I kind of divide it into a couple different buckets.

00:04:54.000 At this point now, in November, the grace side of my conversation has basically evaporated.

00:05:00.000 I'm going to be very honest with you, okay?

00:05:02.000 Like, I'm just going to, I'm confiding in you publicly, right?

00:05:04.000 So when I was giving this speech back in June or July at Jack Hibbs' church or Rob McCoy's church, I was like, well, maybe they don't really understand the significance of this.

00:05:12.000 In August, I was like, we're still waiting for them to understand the significance.

00:05:16.000 It's November, okay?

00:05:18.000 So I'm just going to be very honest.

00:05:19.000 You know, the grace side is a little bit underweight.

00:05:22.000 I am now demanding an answer from these pastors.

00:05:25.000 Demanding an answer.

00:05:27.000 That's where I'm at.

00:05:28.000 That's great.

00:05:30.000 So they took Easter from us.

00:05:32.000 They took Easter from us.

00:05:32.000 That's right.

00:05:34.000 And I think we all were saying, hey, we're team players.

00:05:37.000 We're going to flatten the curve.

00:05:39.000 When did the curve not be flattened?

00:05:41.000 I mean, we've been in this thing now for nine months.

00:05:43.000 And now they're taking Thanksgiving.

00:05:45.000 And Christmas is coming.

00:05:47.000 New Year's is coming.

00:05:47.000 Of course.

00:05:48.000 So, you know, at some point in time, the church has got to say, hey, we're going to storm the gates of hell.

00:05:54.000 Well, amen.

00:05:55.000 And then also, let's look at what other things are allowed.

00:05:58.000 I mean, a judge in San Diego just judged that strip clubs are allowed to reopen, but churches are not.

00:06:03.000 Cannabis dispensaries have remained open.

00:06:05.000 Abortion factories have remained open.

00:06:07.000 And this state, by the way, that has aborted more babies than the entire population of Canada since Roe versus Wade.

00:06:13.000 They say it's all about health.

00:06:14.000 Like, that's a very bizarre argument to make when you allow Planned Parenthood to stay open.

00:06:18.000 And yet, if you're BLM Incorporated doing a peaceful protest to go riot and destroy and loot and burn the streets of your cities, then that's perfectly acceptable. 0.79

00:06:27.000 If you want to go celebrate the victory of the Los Angeles Lakers winning the NBA finals, then you're allowed to go in the streets, thousands of you, no social distancing, no masks. 0.66

00:06:36.000 And I said this throughout the last couple months, and I think this is now, you know, completely, you can't argue against this, is that this is the greatest attack on religious liberty in American history. 0.84

00:06:48.000 The church has always been their goal.

00:06:50.000 They're just finding new and creative ways to go after it.

00:06:53.000 And so, again, if we were all here, if we just decided to move this gathering to French laundry and invite our governor.

00:06:59.000 Right, yeah.

00:07:00.000 There you go.

00:07:01.000 There you go.

00:07:01.000 Okay.

00:07:04.000 Yes.

00:07:05.000 So, I mean, we have a lot of pastors.

00:07:07.000 I mean, I get phone calls.

00:07:08.000 It's kind of like the Nicodemus thing.

00:07:10.000 Hey, they call me during the week.

00:07:11.000 Can you tell me a good lawyer that I can talk to if I open up the doors?

00:07:16.000 Or, you know, can you give me a way that nobody will know that I'm opening the doors and having church?

00:07:21.000 I have these conversations.

00:07:22.000 I know that they're watching right now.

00:07:24.000 So can you just tell them by looking at the camera that it's okay to open up your doors and have church?

00:07:29.000 Not only that.

00:07:30.000 I just ask a different, I'll ask it differently.

00:07:33.000 Why are you a pastor?

00:07:35.000 I mean, that's a really, I mean, and again, I'm being a little bit more blunt because, again, we're in November, okay?

00:07:46.000 I've been giving this speech in California since May.

00:07:49.000 And when I first started, it was like, come on in, the water is safe.

00:07:52.000 And now we're in November, okay?

00:07:54.000 This is a case stemic, which we are measuring how many cases that we have.

00:07:58.000 We know who is most vulnerable.

00:08:00.000 And if you are in that category, we're not forcing you to come to church, okay?

00:08:05.000 This is not that you get jury duty if you don't go to church, okay?

00:08:08.000 You could watch on the live stream, you could do that, and that's fine.

00:08:12.000 But for the 99.5% of the remaining population that has a higher likelihood of dying from an accidental firework discharge, then you should allow them to come to church.

00:08:20.000 That's right.

00:08:21.000 There you go.

00:08:22.000 And that's true, by the way.

00:08:23.000 Hashtag open the doors.

00:08:25.000 Open the doors.

00:08:27.000 And I'll also say, look, this is a real testing moment, right?

00:08:31.000 And I think that God is testing the church because there's been a lot of fiery sermons and a lot of, you know, really, you know, compelling narratives that a lot of these churches have been telling the last couple of years.

00:08:43.000 I'll give you one example.

00:08:45.000 For example, there's a mega church out of New York that all of you will know.

00:08:48.000 I won't say the name.

00:08:49.000 They have this whole series around like finding your inner Daniel, right?

00:08:52.000 Like, we will go seize and we will go forward and you will have the courage.

00:08:56.000 It was a great, it was a great lesson, a great sermon, and you could find it on YouTube.

00:08:56.000 It's great.

00:09:01.000 And the church is completely closed.

00:09:03.000 Completely closed.

00:09:04.000 I say, did you miss the part in, I think it's Daniel 6, when Daniel was told by the king to stop practicing the rabbinical traditions of prayer.

00:09:15.000 And it says clearly in the text, he heard the order.

00:09:18.000 He knew the order.

00:09:20.000 He then intentionally disobeyed the order by opening his window towards the city and being like, you're going to now look at me, pray, and I will now suffer the consequences.

00:09:29.000 Where's your inner Daniel?

00:09:33.000 You know, I think we ought to open the windows and get a little louder so they know that we're here.

00:09:38.000 So let's pivot and talk about COVID because COVID was the event that opened the door, so to speak, that the government stepped inside the church.

00:09:49.000 So COVID's here, and it's real.

00:09:52.000 We don't diminish that COVID's not real.

00:09:54.000 There's a flu out there that is highly contagious.

00:10:00.000 But the government used that to step inside the church.

00:10:02.000 People have tremendous fear.

00:10:04.000 I mean, I can't even, I stopped watching the news after election night, but I can even just feel it in the spirit.

00:10:11.000 People have tremendous fears.

00:10:13.000 People are losing their minds.

00:10:14.000 They're not going to get together on Thanksgiving because of this thing called COVID.

00:10:19.000 And then our governor here in the state of California, you're from Arizona.

00:10:24.000 So I have to say, our governor.

00:10:26.000 Hopefully I don't, you know, Arizona's becoming a suburb of California.

00:10:30.000 Yeah, well, yeah.

00:10:31.000 And our governor is, I think he's lost his mind.

00:10:35.000 I think there's things that he's telling people to do.

00:10:38.000 So, can you just break it down to us what COVID is?

00:10:43.000 And in this moment, without all the political rhetoric around it, how should a believer process COVID?

00:10:50.000 Yeah, and I'll actually build off of one thing that you said.

00:10:54.000 I might see it a little bit differently when it comes to Newsome, and you might find it interesting. 0.92

00:10:57.000 But I'll start with: look, this is a virus that was probably manufactured in a laboratory in the Wuhan Virology Institute. 0.89

00:11:05.000 It was either intentionally or unintentionally released, but assuredly was covered up by the Chinese communist government. 0.86

00:11:11.000 It's incredibly contagious, not very lethal per other RNA sequencing that it could have been.

00:11:18.000 And it's almost, it's very suspicious.

00:11:20.000 If you were trying to create a virus that you could live with, meaning like you could sleep well at night, infecting the entire world, it would be this, right?

00:11:28.000 It would go after old people, not young people, people with preexisting conditions.

00:11:32.000 And they probably released it on their entire public. 1.00

00:11:34.000 This is the Chinese.

00:11:36.000 And this is well documented. 1.00

00:11:38.000 And they let it spread across the planet.

00:11:40.000 And so it has devastated world economies and devastated kind of a lot of function.

00:11:46.000 And 150 million people are now going to re-enter into poverty because of our reaction to the virus.

00:11:52.000 This is a very important thing.

00:11:53.000 There's two different ways to look.

00:11:55.000 We kind of put these interchangeably.

00:11:57.000 We blame the business shutdowns on the virus.

00:12:00.000 That's actually not true.

00:12:01.000 It's our reaction to the virus that this is happening.

00:12:04.000 And so our reaction has been fear-driven, not data-based, not scientifically driven.

00:12:09.000 It is incredibly contagious.

00:12:13.000 If you are over the age of 70 and you have preexisting underlying health conditions and you don't have a strong respiratory system, then you are absolutely at risk.

00:12:21.000 And this virus can be more vicious than anything we've seen at the contagious levels in recent memory.

00:12:28.000 However, if you're 10 years old through 30 years old, there are numerous other activities that we do every single day that are far more dangerous.

00:12:35.000 Driving, for example, is far more dangerous for a young high school kid to drive to high school than actually getting the Chinese coronavirus.

00:12:42.000 And so, but I think that what's been really disappointing is how we have now allowed state-run actors such as Newsom to now use this really as an opportunity to now make America in their image.

00:12:54.000 And here's the one thing: you say Newsom has lost his mind.

00:12:57.000 If you're trying to impart, you know, if you're trying to impart wisdom and rationality and reason upon his decisions, he has a different way of looking at this.

00:12:57.000 I think that's true.

00:13:05.000 He sees this alongside Andrew Cuomo and J.B. Pritzker and Laurie Lightfoot and Mayor Eric Garcetti.

00:13:12.000 They actually see this as a once-in-a-generation opening to now accomplish pre-existing policy goals, right?

00:13:20.000 And they've said this.

00:13:21.000 I mean, we have endless amounts of tape from Justin Trudeau to the ruling class of Britain to Boris Johnson, where they say now we can finally tackle systemic racism and we can go after international climate change and we can now eradicate private property.

00:13:37.000 It's all part of this thing called the Great Reset, which is part of the Davos meeting that's coming up this February, where the whole idea is now that we have crippled the backbone of middle-class workers in the West, we can addict them to government programs, we can fill them with whatever sort of vaccinations that we want, we can pander the pharmaceutical lobbies.

00:13:56.000 And so here's a really important thing that we have to recognize and realize: it is absolutely a real virus.

00:14:01.000 The way we've handled it has been so incredibly almost immature and improper and fear-driven and has destroyed people's lives.

00:14:09.000 I mean, our reaction has destroyed people's lives.

00:14:12.000 And we don't talk about that enough, where we've lost more young people to suicide than actually to the virus in this state, right?

00:14:18.000 That we have, there will be small businesses that will never reopen.

00:14:21.000 Over 270,000 small businesses will never reopen in our country.

00:14:24.000 People's savings are deteriorating.

00:14:26.000 And so the question is: if in January you were wondering what's it going to take to make people more likely to go get government assistance, they've accomplished that goal in 11 months.

00:14:35.000 Now, whether that, I'm not saying that they plan the virus to come, the American Democrat Party, that's not what I'm saying.

00:14:41.000 What I'm saying is they saw this, and they have these pre-existing policy goals that they've been talking about for some time.

00:14:48.000 And through the fear and through the surrender that people have because they have no more capital left to spend, I mean, people are basically saying, please come and give me another check from the government.

00:14:57.000 I have nothing left.

00:14:58.000 And part of it is not their fault.

00:14:59.000 I mean, part of it is we've destroyed a lot of people's capacity to make a living, whether it be waiters or waitresses, small business owners, the whole muscular class in this country has been completely, you know, just destroyed.

00:15:11.000 And this is another thing that the reaction to our virus has done is it's only made rich people richer, and it's only made people that have capital have an easier time to be able to deploy it.

00:15:22.000 And so we kind of have these two economic classes that have been created in this country.

00:15:26.000 And Victor Davis Hanson talked about this.

00:15:28.000 And I've really kind of built this out even further, which is you have the Zoom and Skype class and the muscular class.

00:15:35.000 And so if you are watching or listening to this and you don't have to leave your home to make a living every single day, then you shouldn't be the ones actually making the decisions for the rest of the country because you're actually in the small minority.

00:15:46.000 If you have the luxury of being able to have everything delivered to your front door, if you are able to be in the intelligence economy where you just have to open up your laptop at 9 a.m. and you get to do a bunch of Zoom calls, well, there are 100 million people that don't have that opportunity.

00:15:59.000 And they're called truck drivers.

00:16:00.000 They do their grocery store work and they're police officers and firefighters.

00:16:03.000 And so what's happened is that you have the Zoom and Skype class that actually has the most overreaction to the virus because they can.

00:16:13.000 And that's a really, really important point we don't talk about.

00:16:16.000 They can afford this.

00:16:17.000 They can go through another nine months of lockdowns.

00:16:19.000 The truck driver that all of a sudden has his routes decreased or the person who stocks your shelves or the person that is a carpenter or a plumber that all of a sudden isn't allowed into homes, they can't go through another round of this.

00:16:32.000 And that part is intentional.

00:16:34.000 And Newsom and Garcetti, they want more people to be on government assistance and they want to make America in their image.

00:16:42.000 And so you have a very real virus with an awful reaction to it, suffering that was created by their reaction to it, and then a set of policy goals that are now going to try to be pushed because people are in such a state of suffering.

00:16:55.000 And here's the sad reality to it: this could all be handled the exact opposite.

00:17:01.000 Where if we fully reopened our country and we gave one speech where we get a speech that says, we in America handle things differently than you do in Europe.

00:17:09.000 In Europe, you bow to the civil servants and the bureaucrats and the politicians.

00:17:13.000 You ask no questions.

00:17:15.000 The American system, we have an American trinity in this country, which is e pluribus unum, liberty, and id God we trust.

00:17:21.000 The most operative of what I'm talking about is liberty, which is you can do really foolish things in this country, but you have to take responsibility for your life.

00:17:30.000 This virus is real.

00:17:32.000 You know how it operates.

00:17:33.000 You know how it works.

00:17:34.000 Now go live your life and take responsibility for your life.

00:17:37.000 It's really not that hard.

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00:18:49.000 So real quick, Charlie, where do you think this is ending up with the virus?

00:18:54.000 I mean, because the vaccine is going to be the cure, right?

00:18:57.000 No, it won't.

00:18:58.000 And where is it ending up?

00:19:02.000 They will not stop unless we stop them.

00:19:04.000 What do I mean is that this will be a decades-long problem that they then try to improperly solve, and they have to try to solve those problems.

00:19:14.000 It's very much, and again, I don't want to get too philosophical here, but it's under this thing called the Hegelian dialectic, where you have a problem, but then you create an even bigger problem, but your solution is half as bad as the problem, and you swoop in as the savior of the problem that you actually created.

00:19:31.000 And this is what they did with healthcare.

00:19:33.000 It's what they've done with housing.

00:19:34.000 It's what they've, where they blame the crisis that they actually created.

00:19:39.000 And they say, now we must socialize all healthcare in our country, right?

00:19:42.000 And so where is this headed?

00:19:44.000 Anyone who tells you that they know where it's headed is just guessing.

00:19:48.000 And I don't like guessing.

00:19:49.000 I don't like doing that.

00:19:50.000 Instead, I could tell you what needs to be done.

00:19:52.000 What needs to be done is the most intentional, courageous, and brave sequence of civil disobedience since the Civil Rights Act.

00:19:59.000 But here's the thing about civil disobedience where people get a little bit frightened.

00:20:04.000 And you're an amazing example of this.

00:20:06.000 And Henry David Thoreau wrote about this, who was like the original author of civil disobedience in our country.

00:20:12.000 And Martin Luther King derived a lot of inspiration from him, which is you must be willing to accept the punishment.

00:20:19.000 And this is something where you said that you're going to have to put handcuffs on me.

00:20:23.000 That's what you said on Pentecost, right?

00:20:24.000 If I'm not mistaken.

00:20:26.000 And that's a thing that all of a sudden we kind of like, well, you know, I was into it until I have to actually, no, You must have to complete the arc or else the leaders will not take what you're saying seriously.

00:20:37.000 And it's a very important point: you must be willing to get arrested, face jail time, face a judge, and then all of a sudden, the weight of what you're fighting will then all of a sudden be challenged.

00:20:53.000 And they're not going to be able to arrest 80 million of us.

00:20:57.000 They can't do it.

00:20:57.000 No, they won't.

00:20:58.000 And let me be very clear.

00:21:02.000 I'm not talking about being reckless or being doing anything that would intentionally try and put someone in a compromising situation.

00:21:12.000 What I am saying, though, is that if a public health official shows up here, you're going to say, like, you're going to have to arrest every single one of our congregants because we're going to keep having church.

00:21:20.000 Like, it's that simple, right?

00:21:21.000 That's right.

00:21:22.000 And the same for the small business people.

00:21:25.000 And we just saw this in New York City.

00:21:27.000 It was actually one of the most optimistic news articles I read this morning where 80 businesses in the New York City area, they told Andrew Cuomo, you're going to have to arrest all of us.

00:21:36.000 That's good.

00:21:36.000 All of us.

00:21:37.000 That's good.

00:21:38.000 And all of a sudden, these politicians who really don't want that conflict, it's a very interesting thing.

00:21:45.000 They're actually conflict diverse.

00:21:47.000 They are.

00:21:48.000 They don't want the optics.

00:21:49.000 They don't want the story of having to arrest pastors and arrest small business people.

00:21:54.000 They actually have been able to do what they've been able to do the last nine months.

00:21:57.000 And this is the tough truth because we let them.

00:22:00.000 We did.

00:22:01.000 And we were far, again, there was this part where we were like all in it together.

00:22:06.000 And these experts who've been wrong about everything were like 2 million people are going to die.

00:22:10.000 And these models.

00:22:11.000 And if that's true, okay, then our reaction should have been a little bit different.

00:22:14.000 But then all of a sudden, we started to realize the science and the therapeutics and who it's impacting.

00:22:18.000 And around like day 15 of stopping this spread, we were like, well, this doesn't make a lot of sense why all of a sudden we're intentionally destroying our entire civil society over something that impacts a very small subset of the population who actually does not represent a lot of the wealth creating engine of the country, right?

00:22:36.000 So instead, our entire posture should have been a World War II mindset where we protect the nursing homes and protect the vulnerable, but we release and empower students to actually live their life.

00:22:47.000 But we do the opposite.

00:22:49.000 We put infected people in the nursing homes and we shut down our schools.

00:22:52.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:22:53.000 And it's almost as if they wanted that crisis to continue on.

00:22:56.000 And so where is it going is this, is if good people continue to do nothing, then this is going to go a direction that we're not going to like.

00:23:04.000 I'm going to tell you right now, we are flirting with seven simultaneous crises that are about to occur, whether it be the debt crisis, a capital crisis, human population crisis, a cultural crisis, generational crisis.

00:23:18.000 I have nothing but bad news to share about all that stuff.

00:23:20.000 I could go on for the next hour.

00:23:22.000 A tech crisis, all this sort of stuff.

00:23:24.000 A disinformation crisis.

00:23:26.000 The only solution to all that is you just open the doors and you allow hundreds of millions of people to re-enter into their life.

00:23:33.000 And this is the one, and if I could say one other thing, which actually I was wrong about, and it was really interesting, is that I was going around to churches like this all throughout September and October, and you guys were probably agreed with me.

00:23:45.000 Oh, as soon as after the election, this thing's going to go away and they're going to open up the country.

00:23:48.000 Remember, we said that?

00:23:50.000 What's been so incredibly, and I should have saw this, and I didn't, is that they don't value freedom, Newsom and the Democrats.

00:24:00.000 They did the opposite.

00:24:02.000 Now that the election is over, they're like, now we can really do what we want to do.

00:24:06.000 Right.

00:24:07.000 Think about how chilling that is.

00:24:09.000 Now that they don't have an accountability measure, now that they don't have to pay a price of the ballot box, Whitmer and all these people are now intensifying the lockdowns.

00:24:18.000 Remember, we were saying the opposite?

00:24:20.000 All of us were like, just wait to the election.

00:24:22.000 We're going to open everything up.

00:24:23.000 Everything's going to be amazing.

00:24:24.000 Like, this thing will go away.

00:24:26.000 Wow, it's the, why is that?

00:24:28.000 And that only confirms my suspicion that the fear surrounding this and the lockdowns and the suffering is part of an agenda-driven political philosophy where they want to make this country in their image.

00:24:43.000 Amen.

00:24:44.000 So I think some people probably like to hear about this other thing that happened in November called an election.

00:24:51.000 Yep.

00:24:52.000 Yeah.

00:24:52.000 So, or a fraudulent election.

00:24:55.000 That's correct.

00:24:55.000 There you go.

00:24:56.000 Something like that.

00:24:59.000 So, I know, none of this is, there's been no certification or anything like that.

00:25:04.000 So, what if there is a Biden-Harris administration?

00:25:09.000 What does America look like?

00:25:11.000 Yeah, that's a really important point.

00:25:13.000 Can I talk a little bit about the election fraud part of it?

00:25:16.000 Yeah, I'd love to.

00:25:16.000 Is that okay?

00:25:17.000 Would you like to hear about that?

00:25:18.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:25:19.000 Yeah.

00:25:20.000 We would like to hear about that.

00:25:21.000 No, I just wanted to make, and I've been one of the most outspoken people on this topic, probably kind of to a great personal cost, quite honestly, because there's very few topics that really get the censors as agitated as this topic.

00:25:39.000 And, you know, I worked very hard to get the president re-elected.

00:25:43.000 I know convincingly what happened on election night, which was a red wave.

00:25:47.000 You were at the White House.

00:25:48.000 Yeah, I was at the White House, and I traveled the country.

00:25:52.000 I gave 100 speeches in 60 days all across.

00:25:55.000 I saw what was happening, and I know what happened in the election, where we did really well.

00:26:01.000 I mean, it was a red wave in all but four cities.

00:26:03.000 We won 28 of 28 competitive House seats.

00:26:07.000 As of this morning, Mike Garcia is up 50 votes, and we'll see if they're able to find more votes to defeat him.

00:26:13.000 But we know we flipped Michelle Steele and Young Kim in Orange County.

00:26:16.000 That's awesome.

00:26:17.000 We know that we have Elvira that won in Miami, Burgess Owens in Utah.

00:26:22.000 The people that are trusted the most in the expert class said that Pelosi would get 244 House seats.

00:26:28.000 She'll settle probably around 222 to 223.

00:26:31.000 So it wasn't that the experts were a little wrong.

00:26:34.000 They were catastrophically incorrect.

00:26:37.000 We won every Senate seat except two.

00:26:40.000 We won Montana convincingly, Iowa convincingly, Kentucky convincingly, and South Carolina convincingly.

00:26:46.000 President Trump won the Rio Grande Valley, which a Republican has not won since 1906.

00:26:52.000 Wow.

00:26:53.000 President Trump got the highest vote share of black and Hispanic voters of any Republican running for office since 1960.

00:27:02.000 Republicans flipped three state legislators, one governor's mansion, and didn't lose any state legislator structurally across the country.

00:27:11.000 President Trump did better in Chicago, did better in Beverly Hills.

00:27:15.000 He won the Beverly Hills precinct.

00:27:17.000 He did better in LA, better in Boston.

00:27:20.000 And everywhere we could look, President Trump overperformed his 2016 numbers, except in four cities.

00:27:28.000 And so here's where all of a sudden I started to call timeout.

00:27:31.000 There's something not right here.

00:27:32.000 And so I come from Chicago, the suburbs of Chicago, where voter fraud is part of our tradition, where my grandmother was a lifelong Republican, passed away in the mid-1990s.

00:27:42.000 She's been voting Democrat ever since, right?

00:27:44.000 I mean, that's part of our political history.

00:27:47.000 It's just what you do, right?

00:27:49.000 And this is what really frustrates me about this whole conversation around voter fraud: people say there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

00:27:56.000 And so, if all of us just decided to go to every restaurant and laundromat in this local area, we wouldn't see any evidence of money laundering until you start to investigate it.

00:28:08.000 It's kind of one of those things that you don't see it until you start to actually launch serious investigations into it.

00:28:13.000 For example, five or six years ago, people said there's no evidence of widespread child sex trafficking.

00:28:17.000 It turns out there is.

00:28:19.000 Turns out, as soon as you start to get federal agents dedicated to finding that there are children that are being trafficked for evil purposes, it starts to uncover itself. 0.95

00:28:29.000 And so, when you have, this is what it always, it's such an unbelievably dumb argument that the media makes.

00:28:35.000 So, let me get this straight.

00:28:36.000 You have 160 million people participating in an exercise to assume control of a $4 trillion government for four years that can control the entire political climate of the globe.

00:28:49.000 And people cheat in traffic, they treat in casinos, they cheat on taxes, they cheat everywhere except when it comes to voting to take and assume control of a $4 trillion government for four years to assume the entire geopolitical climate of the planet.

00:29:07.000 That's the one thing where people all of a sudden say, I'm going to now find the highest moral order imaginable.

00:29:13.000 I mean, we are a country that where 10% of our citizenry will go in the correction system in one way or the other.

00:29:20.000 There's plenty of examples of people that commit crimes.

00:29:24.000 Okay.

00:29:24.000 With that being said, there's also organized crime, right?

00:29:27.000 There's organized crime and every single money laundering is a multi-trillion dollar industry in this country that is hard to find.

00:29:33.000 We've gotten better about it, but it doesn't appear like it exists unless you look into it.

00:29:38.000 Okay, so Atlanta, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Detroit, all of which stopped counting their votes on election night.

00:29:46.000 Just no explanation whatsoever.

00:29:48.000 And when I started to get very angry, and when I started to really look into this seriously, is when all of a sudden the networks weren't calling Florida and Ohio for Trump as they were coming in.

00:30:01.000 I said, there's something very wrong here.

00:30:03.000 I said, he's going to win Florida by three points.

00:30:05.000 We knew that.

00:30:06.000 We knew that by nine o'clock.

00:30:07.000 And I said, there has been a stand down order to make this thing into an all-week affair.

00:30:13.000 And you guys saw that on election night, right?

00:30:15.000 Like, we saw that he was doing well in Florida.

00:30:17.000 They did not want the sequence of momentum where it'd be Florida and Ohio.

00:30:22.000 And all of a sudden, we were then putting pressure on the urban cities to count their votes.

00:30:27.000 Instead, as if the public pressure was let off and they waited till midnight to call these states that were already completely and totally, you know, in the president's favor.

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00:32:02.000 And so let's just use one example that is no one in the media can explain.

00:32:07.000 In Pennsylvania, 90-plus-year-olds saw a 1,774% increase in voter registration in the last six months in the midst of a pandemic.

00:32:17.000 Yeah.

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:18.000 90 plus-year-olds.

00:32:19.000 Now, this is a practice that the New York Times has called granny farming.

00:32:23.000 And the New York Times calls it this.

00:32:24.000 It's not my term.

00:32:26.000 Where you intercept ballots that come and from nursing homes.

00:32:29.000 Now, a majority of those people that registered to vote were in addresses that had other people registered at very address.

00:32:36.000 So these are nursing homes where you have hundreds or thousands of people that are at that specific population where you have people that take advantage of that.

00:32:43.000 Okay, so that's a practice that I call ballot laundering.

00:32:46.000 Now, this is something that now we have whistleblowers in Wisconsin.

00:32:50.000 She just came up in Milwaukee and she said very clearly that all 20 of her developmentally disabled patients, all 20, were forced to vote for Joe Biden.

00:32:59.000 Just came out the other day.

00:33:00.000 Mainstream news outlet, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, most of the mainstream press is not covering this.

00:33:05.000 And in Nevada, the Nevada Native Project posted on their Facebook that they will exchange ballots for cash.

00:33:12.000 And it's on their Facebook.

00:33:14.000 So here's really what I think: and the vote tabulation, the vote counting, the voter registration, the absentee ballot.

00:33:19.000 And what's so stunning is how we're not even allowed to have a conversation about this.

00:33:24.000 And so here's a really important question to ask.

00:33:26.000 And I could go into all this.

00:33:27.000 I mean, again, I could do a two-hour speech on all the voter fraud that's been uncovered in all of this.

00:33:32.000 But here's what I'll say with this: here's the bigger point.

00:33:34.000 And then we could talk about Biden and Harris, because it could be that the bad guys win this.

00:33:38.000 It could be.

00:33:39.000 We don't know yet.

00:33:39.000 And I could tell you a path for the president still.

00:33:41.000 It's not over.

00:33:42.000 But here's the really interesting thing to think about.

00:33:45.000 Why do we have this kind of uncomfortable couple-month period between an election and inauguration?

00:33:51.000 Why do we have that?

00:33:52.000 Why don't we have the European system where we just put in the leader immediately?

00:33:57.000 For this reason, exactly.

00:33:59.000 Go read the Federalist Papers.

00:34:00.000 The founding fathers wanted a multi-month period to make sure the election was done correctly.

00:34:04.000 That's why.

00:34:05.000 And the media has conveniently ignored that, right?

00:34:08.000 And so in the European system, when a party wins an election on Downing Street, they'll replace the prime minister the next hour.

00:34:20.000 You just resign, the government's transfer.

00:34:22.000 It's that simple.

00:34:23.000 Why do we have this multi-month lame duck period?

00:34:26.000 It's because when you have something as important as electing a president, the certification state by state, time is actually built in from the founders for us to find this out.

00:34:38.000 And the media and the political class, they intentionally don't want us to ask these questions, right?

00:34:44.000 So they intentionally don't want us to ask the question of why is it that Milwaukee said they took the night off and then all of a sudden they dropped 300 and000 ballots for Biden at 3.42 in the morning after all the poll watchers went home.

00:34:56.000 Like, why is that? 0.98

00:34:57.000 Like, shut up, racist. 0.99

00:34:58.000 I'm like, I'm actually just asking a question. 1.00

00:35:00.000 Like, okay.

00:35:01.000 Like, that's all I'm doing.

00:35:02.000 I just ask a sequence of questions, okay?

00:35:04.000 And they're like, you don't love your country.

00:35:05.000 I'm like, okay, again, I would like to know why is it there was a sudden surge of 90 plus year olds that registered a vote in the midst of a pandemic of a 1,774% increase in Pennsylvania.

00:35:16.000 Who is registering them to vote?

00:35:17.000 Who is helping them?

00:35:18.000 Who filled out their ballots?

00:35:19.000 Does it all correlate to them? 0.57

00:35:21.000 And as soon as you stop being allowed to answer or ask these questions, then the totalitarians will have won.

00:35:28.000 And I'm telling you, whether or not, and the president can still come out of this, the chances are undetermined, right? 0.84

00:35:36.000 If the Supreme Court comes in and says these ballots were not allowed to be overseen, this system is corrupted, and we're still going to try to find out if there was something to the Dominion voting systems and Hammer and scorecard and all these different sorts of things.

00:35:48.000 And there might be truth to it, there might not be.

00:35:50.000 But again, we all know what we saw nationwide. 0.62

00:35:53.000 And here's the best argument: when you win 20 to 28 competitive House seats, when you flip three state legislatures, when you are able to win up and down in California in ways that we never thought possible, when President Trump does better with blacks and Hispanics, and yet in the four cities that matter, it is the only urban variation from that, that is more than enough reason to call timeout.

00:36:18.000 And that's the main basis for our inquiry. 0.53

00:36:20.000 Absolutely.

00:36:22.000 I know, to your disappointment, we're going to have to wrap this up because we've got some other people.

00:36:26.000 Oh, I know you're the only people that are.

00:36:28.000 Every service will be different.

00:36:31.000 Because hopefully we'll build out bigger issues and stuff.

00:36:35.000 We use the word socialism a lot.

00:36:37.000 Yeah.

00:36:38.000 And so could you unpack: is America becoming a socialistic country?

00:36:44.000 And can you do it within a couple minutes?

00:36:47.000 Yes.

00:36:47.000 Well, geez.

00:36:49.000 So it's a really super, super good question.

00:36:53.000 So there are socialists in this country.

00:36:56.000 There are.

00:36:57.000 And many of them assume power and control over our government.

00:37:01.000 But what is looming and what is coming next is actually a lot creepier than socialism.

00:37:07.000 And it's a lot more camouflaged.

00:37:11.000 And we don't do a good enough job explaining this.

00:37:13.000 And this is what Biden and Harris would do if they assume the mantle of government, which is a lot, what you would have is a corporate takeover of your government.

00:37:23.000 And it wouldn't be socialist immediately.

00:37:26.000 It wouldn't.

00:37:27.000 It would be much more fascist, if not cronyist, where you would have a small select companies that would be protected and given a platform that they would almost become the rulers of the feudal system in America.

00:37:42.000 So they wouldn't immediately abolish all private property.

00:37:48.000 What we are entering right now in America is almost the post-capitalist period.

00:37:52.000 And it's this very turbulent economic climate that we're about to enter, where you're going to have multi-trillion dollar companies that will work in tandem with the government.

00:38:05.000 So whether it be the tech companies or the Wall Street banks or the Fortune 100 companies, all of a sudden you're going to see a corporate takeover of America, right?

00:38:14.000 And so, and that's just as bad as socialism.

00:38:17.000 Let me be very clear.

00:38:18.000 The fact that we are not allowed to criticize Amazon, Google, Facebook, Twitter, and how they are given preferential treatment to a certain political party and philosophy should bother us just as much as Bernie Sanders saying he's going to take over the entire Government.

00:38:34.000 And so I'll close with this.

00:38:36.000 I know we have to.

00:38:37.000 I'm sorry.

00:38:39.000 And we'll build this out further, which is that we as conservatives and Christians should be apprehensive and skeptical of centralized power in government and in corporate America, both.

00:38:50.000 And we as conservatives don't challenge corporate interests enough.

00:38:53.000 And I get it because we used to think they were on our side, and they used to be.

00:38:57.000 But now the corporations have realized that if they betray the tenets of capitalism and they bribe the proper politicians and they hire the correct lobbyists, then they can get their incumbency protected, where we will live in this dystopian nightmare where middle-class workers and small businesses have no possibility whatsoever of succeeding.

00:39:22.000 And the hyper-corporatization of America will ensue, where, yeah, we'll still have some form of choices, but the choice is: do you want an Amazon box delivered to your door?

00:39:32.000 Or do you want, you know, do you want to tell Alexa or Google to have you...

00:39:35.000 That's not a country I want to live in.

00:39:37.000 Where all of a sudden we have a group of people that have nothing but contempt for our value system, that almost you have no choice but to buy your products from five different companies.

00:39:46.000 And that's only going to be made more possible by their fusion with the federal government.

00:39:52.000 And so socialism is not what's coming next.

00:39:54.000 It's a cronyist capitalistic model that actually, I think, will confuse people more than anything else.

00:40:02.000 And it's the opposite of what is healthy for a republic.

00:40:05.000 That's good.

00:40:06.000 So I want to ask one more question.

00:40:09.000 And so we can wrap it up with this.

00:40:12.000 From a biblical worldview that we have, we believe that God, Jesus declared it, that he's going to build his church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

00:40:23.000 So we feel like commissioned here to storm the gates of hell.

00:40:28.000 Can you speak?

00:40:29.000 Just give us some hope.

00:40:32.000 I mean, we've looked at some big issues that are in front of us and a lot of craziness is happening in our culture.

00:40:37.000 Can you give us hope of what the church can do to make a difference?

00:40:43.000 Absolutely.

00:40:44.000 Yes. 0.77

00:40:44.000 And so here's the hope: is that if Christians and the church really embodied their proper role in civil government, which you guys are doing here amazingly, none of these issues we would be talking about. 0.77

00:40:59.000 If Biden and Harris become president, it will be because of Christians that elected him. 0.67

00:41:04.000 It's that simple.

00:41:05.000 I looked at the numbers.

00:41:06.000 It was a 3% to 4% undervote amongst Bible-believing, regular church-attending evangelical Christians that undervoted towards Trump, towards Biden in Georgia and Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

00:41:17.000 So why is that all of a sudden a hope-filled message?

00:41:20.000 So Jesus Christ at Caesarea Philippi said, on this rock, build my church.

00:41:24.000 Now, we say church, but let's go back to actually the Koine Greek, which was a term called ecclesia.

00:41:29.000 William Tyndale saw that word.

00:41:31.000 What is an ecclesia?

00:41:32.000 Now, an ecclesia was actually a physical gathering of Greek citizens that were coming together for the betterment of their polis or their body politic, their local area.

00:41:43.000 Why did Jesus use that term and not synagogue or temple?

00:41:47.000 Some theologians would argue, and I completely agree with this, he used that term because Jesus wanted comprehensive, not compartmentalized Christianity.

00:41:55.000 He wanted Christianity in all places.

00:41:57.000 So here's the hope, everybody, is that there are zero institutions people trust anymore.

00:42:02.000 They don't trust the news they look at.

00:42:04.000 They don't trust the college they send their kids to.

00:42:06.000 They don't trust the corporations they buy their products from.

00:42:08.000 They don't trust the people on television.

00:42:09.000 They don't trust the tech companies.

00:42:11.000 It is a barren wasteland of institutional trust.

00:42:14.000 What an awesome opportunity for the church to rise up and show people what ultimate truth is.

00:42:19.000 Yeah, that's the message of God.

00:42:20.000 Amen.

00:42:22.000 Absolutely.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 23, 2020

Time to Disobey.

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