The Charlie Kirk Show - Timeless Wisdom for your Holy Week with Shannon Bream

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00:01:02.000 Hey everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk show.

00:01:04.000 I am super excited because I get to finally do the interviewing uh, with a friend of mine and someone who I have a lot of respect for, Shannon Bream.

00:01:11.000 You see her every night on FOX NEWS and she has a phenomenal new book out, the Women Of The Bible.

00:01:16.000 Uh speak uh, the wisdom of uh 16 women and their stories.

00:01:21.000 Uh Shannon, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show.

00:01:24.000 Thank you for having me, Charlie.

00:01:25.000 It is a turning of the tables now, exactly.

00:01:28.000 So I i've seen this book promoted and I turned to my fiancé, who really enjoys you and your show.

00:01:35.000 Uh, I said what a great idea for a book.

00:01:38.000 So uh, tell us why you wrote this book and a little about it, and then we'll get into some of the specifics.

00:01:43.000 You know, FOX came to me because they were starting this book label and said, we're thinking about doing something in this space about women and the Bible.

00:01:49.000 Would you be interested?

00:01:51.000 I didn't hesitate.

00:01:52.000 I thought, what a gift.

00:01:53.000 This is such a wonderful opportunity to tell the stories of these women, people who may not be people of faith or pick up the bible.

00:02:00.000 Um, I still think they'll be fascinated by these stories and if you know them, as I thought I did, I learned so much in researching and writing the book.

00:02:08.000 Uh, so I thought, just thought for people who think that women are sort of secondary in the Bible, they don't have a starring role, they don't know these stories, and so to me, just super exciting to be able to share them with a new audience.

00:02:20.000 I, I love that, and one of the uh talking points that more secular culture uses is that the Bible is just for reinforcing a patriarchy.

00:02:30.000 So i'm super thrilled to be able to discuss this with you about how the women of the Bible played not just an important role but a decisive role.

00:02:40.000 So let's get into some of the specifics.

00:02:42.000 Uh, queen Esther uh, the Book Of Esther, one of my favorite books of the Bible.

00:02:46.000 It's the only book in the Bible uh, where Adane or Hashem or God is not specifically said but his hand is present, all throughout, present throughout that story.

00:02:55.000 Uh, tell us about uh Esther and why you chose her in the Bible, in the book About From The Bible.

00:03:00.000 I?

00:03:00.000 I love her story too, Charlie.

00:03:02.000 It's just one of those ones that if you grow up at church at all or in synagogue you're going to hear.

00:03:06.000 The story of queen Esther.

00:03:07.000 It's an amazing story of how she was an orphan, she started out with just an uncle raising her Very modest means, and she rises through the ranks.

00:03:15.000 And this is one of those stories that when I went back to study it for this book, I learned so much.

00:03:19.000 I was reminded of so many incredible facts and divine intervention along the way, where she ends up being the most unlikely thing, which is a Jewish woman essentially displaced.

00:03:28.000 The Jews were all over the place at this point, not with their own homeland.

00:03:32.000 And she ends up being the queen of Persia. 0.76

00:03:34.000 And there's this evil guy, Haman, who is part of the administration, who's plotting against the Jewish people to completely wipe them out. 0.56

00:03:41.000 And she's in this place now where Mordecai, her uncle, who raised her, who has told her not to divulge her Jewish background, now says, It's up to you.

00:03:49.000 God has placed you for such a time as this in this kingdom.

00:03:52.000 You're going to have to go to the king.

00:03:54.000 Well, in those days, to go to the king without him asking for you, you could be killed on the spot.

00:03:59.000 And she said to Mordecai, have all of the people fast for three days.

00:04:02.000 And at the end of those three days, if I perish, I perish. 0.65

00:04:05.000 She goes to him.

00:04:07.000 God has favor.

00:04:08.000 The king has favor on her.

00:04:09.000 And through so many twists and turns, she is able to save the entire Jewish people, the Jewish nation.

00:04:15.000 So she was placed there at the divine moment that God had clearly scripted her story to end up there.

00:04:20.000 But she had to find the courage to go forward and risk her life for her people.

00:04:25.000 And she did.

00:04:27.000 It's awesome.

00:04:27.000 And so you also have other stories of lesser known women of the Bible, which I think will really interest our listeners.

00:04:35.000 And I just want to repeat the title: it's The Women of the Bible Speak.

00:04:40.000 So everyone, go get your copy.

00:04:42.000 And so let's talk about some of these others.

00:04:45.000 Judges like Deborah or warriors.

00:04:49.000 I think I'm going to say this: Jael or Jael, Jael, and prophets like Miriam. 0.70

00:04:54.000 Tell us about some of these lesser-known women of the Bible.

00:04:57.000 Yeah, Deborah's story I love so much because she was a judge.

00:05:00.000 She was leading the people, and Israel was in this cycle that they often get in, that we sometimes do too, where we forget God's faithfulness.

00:05:07.000 They've wandered away from him, and now they're begging for help.

00:05:10.000 Well, Deborah was the woman leading this entire nation.

00:05:13.000 They came to her to settle disputes, those kinds of things.

00:05:16.000 And she was revered and very well respected.

00:05:18.000 So God tells her, Hey, I want you to get the people together and go into battle against the Canaanites who've been oppressing them, who had, you know, just way more everything that you would need in the way of manpower and chariots and all the things the Israelites didn't have. 0.50

00:05:32.000 And she went and called her top general, Barack was his name, and said, All right, God is telling us we need to go into battle against the Canaanites.

00:05:39.000 He's probably looking at this on paper as most people would, like, this doesn't seem like a great idea, at least by earthly standards. 0.62

00:05:46.000 And he says, I'll go and do it if you come with me.

00:05:50.000 Because he knows she's anointed and she's like, okay, I'll do it.

00:05:53.000 But because of your hesitance, God is going to deliver the opposing general into the hands of a woman.

00:05:58.000 And as a younger person, I remember hearing this story and thinking it was Deborah, but it's not.

00:06:01.000 It's a second character, Yale or Jael, some pronounce it.

00:06:06.000 And she ends up being the one who captures and murders the opposing general. 0.78

00:06:10.000 The Israelites completely rout the Canaanites. 0.91

00:06:13.000 It's not even close.

00:06:14.000 And it's just an amazing story of these women who are warriors and fighters and don't question God, even though it seems like the task he's giving seems impossible.

00:06:23.000 Deborah just trusted him blindly and said, I believe if God has sent us, there is purpose, and I'm going.

00:06:29.000 And they had this enormous victory.

00:06:30.000 Miriam was a prophetess as well.

00:06:32.000 She's known as the sister of Moses, and she is critical in leading the Israelites on the Exodus and eventually their journey towards the promised land. 0.98

00:06:40.000 And with all these women, we see that they are flawed.

00:06:43.000 They're not perfect.

00:06:44.000 I love the Bible doesn't sanitize them because I think it makes it more relatable for the rest of us to say where they mess up, they make their own decisions, and they get off track.

00:06:52.000 God can still work through all of those messes, and he does in all of these stories.

00:06:56.000 I love that.

00:06:57.000 And so, in writing this book and reflecting on the 16 stories and the 16 women of the Bible, Where were you able to kind of see what's happening today with young women in America and derive some wisdom from that?

00:07:14.000 Can you talk a little bit about that?

00:07:15.000 Because we have our Young Women's Leadership Summit at Turning Point USA and young women right now, some of which they feel confused, especially young Christian women.

00:07:24.000 Can you connect some of the things that you learned or discovered in the process of this book that might be applicable to young women in America today?

00:07:32.000 Yeah, what I found is these stories are timeless.

00:07:34.000 They're universal issues that women had back then.

00:07:37.000 We still very much have today, feeling sometimes like an outsider, feeling forgotten or like God's not hearing your prayers or you're searching for your purpose.

00:07:46.000 And some of the more weighty problems of infertility and widowhood, family squabbles, we all have, you know, complicated family relationships from time to time.

00:07:54.000 But seeing these women, some of them very humble and that you may not hear a lot about Hannah, she didn't come from a big prominent family, but the desire of her heart was to be a mother.

00:08:04.000 And we see for years her longing and her praying and going to God, like, see me, see my sorrow, and please hear me.

00:08:10.000 We see outsiders like Ruth and like Tamar, who Tamar is the one who really, really got off track and made a mess of her situation.

00:08:18.000 But she ends up in the lineage of Christ and God is redeeming every decision, good and bad, for his purposes.

00:08:24.000 And so I think as a young woman, I remember feeling like, what is going to be my place in the world?

00:08:29.000 What's my purpose?

00:08:30.000 I have these desires and longing in my heart.

00:08:32.000 And I know that the word tells me that if my desires line up with God's, he will grant me the desires of my heart.

00:08:38.000 There's waiting.

00:08:39.000 There's learning patience and watching for God's hand.

00:08:43.000 I think in all of these stories and so many things that translate to today that I hope will be encouraging to women of all ages, but certainly young women, because I remember that coming out of Liberty, my undergrad, and thinking, gosh, there's so much I want to do in the world, but how do I get started?

00:08:57.000 And, you know, having roadblocks along the way in your career and in your personal life, things not always going according to your plans.

00:09:04.000 But now I have the hindsight and the blessing of looking back to see God's hand in all of it.

00:09:09.000 And I think you'll see that these stories from the Bible too.

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00:10:17.000 So can you talk, just expand upon your personal journey and story? 1.00

00:10:22.000 Because so many young women, you know, that we that we talk to and that we have at Turning Point USA and also listen to our podcast, they're inundated with this kind of new feminism. 0.86

00:10:33.000 And it's not, I don't think it's healthy for our country, which is almost more about attacking men than lifting up women.

00:10:40.000 Can you talk about that just from your experience and also use some of the kind of biblical wisdom that you've been able to do such a great job of articulating in this book?

00:10:49.000 Well, I feel like God has created men and women in his image.

00:10:53.000 We are all equal in his sight and we all have roles to play.

00:10:56.000 He gives us strengths and weaknesses.

00:10:58.000 And I think something that's so encouraging to me is to stop and have that reset sometimes when the Lord tells or the world tells us about what's important or how to be popular or how to get more likes on social media.

00:11:09.000 We are children of the king.

00:11:11.000 We are daughters of the king.

00:11:13.000 He loves us.

00:11:14.000 We are precious to him.

00:11:16.000 And nothing and no one can rattle or shake that or take that away from us.

00:11:21.000 And I find great joy in finding the path.

00:11:23.000 Yes.

00:11:24.000 For me, it's a different one than he has for my husband.

00:11:26.000 And thank God that we're two different people and that we fit together and he's able to be strong where I am weak in some certain things.

00:11:34.000 And we bust up a lot of stereotypes in our marriage.

00:11:36.000 I mean, I am very much a career-driven person and we've navigated things a little bit differently, but we feel like God calls each of us to our own specific roles and our paths.

00:11:46.000 And don't feel like you have to have a cookie cutter path to anything that you do.

00:11:50.000 I've talked in my first book about the fact that we don't have children and that was a choice.

00:11:54.000 And a lot of people don't understand that.

00:11:56.000 It was hard for me as a Christian woman to have conversations about that, to articulate that.

00:12:00.000 But I feel like God calls us to all kinds of different things and different plans and purposes.

00:12:05.000 And there's joy in that.

00:12:06.000 And don't let the world tell you that you're unimportant or that what you believe is wrong or that you need to be silent about things that are your deep faith convictions.

00:12:19.000 I think that there should be room for all of that.

00:12:21.000 But again, Christ told us you're going to have trouble in the world.

00:12:25.000 Our lives aren't guaranteed to be easy, but what we are guaranteed is that he is walking through it with us.

00:12:31.000 And I've seen that in my darkest moments, professionally, from getting fired from my first TV job or the guy who told me I was the worst person he'd ever seen on TV and I'd never make it, to going through my husband having a brain tumor, to finding out that I've got a chronic, incurable genetic disease that I've got to manage.

00:12:45.000 I mean, life will throw you all kinds of curveballs.

00:12:49.000 But again, God has been faithful in every bit of it.

00:12:52.000 And he has found to show us a way through it with his strength and his grace, which I lean on every single day.

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00:13:29.000 We do talk about that a lot on our program, but we also have people that, you know, tune in for the politics and they're still searching for that.

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00:13:41.000 You know, I grew up in a broken home.

00:13:42.000 My parents divorced when I was really young, but they both already had the seeds of faith and in their own lives grew much stronger through the years and both came to faith.

00:13:51.000 And my mom had me in church every time the doors were open.

00:13:54.000 She was a teacher at a Christian school.

00:13:56.000 She got a job there.

00:13:58.000 And that just put fuel on the fire of both of us of our faith.

00:14:01.000 Our church was our community and our home.

00:14:04.000 It was the support for us when it was just a single mom and a young daughter.

00:14:08.000 And so it really is family to me in a much broader sense.

00:14:12.000 I came to realize after being exposed to faith my whole life in my middle school years, like, wait a minute, this has to be actually a personal relationship.

00:14:20.000 I have to say, Christ, I accept what you did for me.

00:14:22.000 In this Easter week, we commemorate him going to the cross as a sinless sacrifice for the rest of us.

00:14:28.000 So I made that personal commitment and acceptance then, and I've been a work in progress ever since.

00:14:34.000 To me, my faith gives me the greatest strength in the worst times, like this pandemic year, which has been a season of loss for so many people, professionally, personally, losing people that you love.

00:14:44.000 Maybe your own health has been at stake financially.

00:14:47.000 Your kids out of school worrying about how they're going to catch up.

00:14:50.000 There's just so much anxiety and pressure.

00:14:52.000 But for me, this year has been one of really rerooting again into my faith.

00:14:57.000 It reminded me that I got to start every day before I turn on the phone and start looking at my emails or social media or anything else.

00:15:04.000 I spend time in the word and in prayer and journaling because I know I need it.

00:15:09.000 I know it's the strength that I need.

00:15:11.000 And for me, it gives me great comfort in a time that is so unsteady in the world.

00:15:16.000 And listen, the pandemic was a wake-up call for me.

00:15:19.000 I've always been a person of faith, but I realized how comfortable I had gotten in so many parts of my life that weren't rooted in Christ.

00:15:26.000 So for me, it's a great source of strength.

00:15:28.000 And I find great comfort there.

00:15:30.000 And I hope other people will as well.

00:15:33.000 That's that's terrific.

00:15:34.000 It's awesome.

00:15:35.000 And so we're doing this in Holy Week.

00:15:38.000 And so the book is very, very timely.

00:15:41.000 Let's talk about one of those stories, which of course is the faith of Mary.

00:15:46.000 And so of Mary Magdalene or the mother of Mary.

00:15:49.000 I'm not sure if you talk about both of them or not.

00:15:52.000 Walk us through that and how the women around Jesus were pretty remarkable.

00:15:58.000 And we actually talk in the book about why there are so many Marys and why that name was so popular at that time.

00:15:58.000 Yeah.

00:16:03.000 And we try to list them out so people will understand which Mary we're talking about at which time.

00:16:09.000 We do include Mary, the mother of Jesus.

00:16:11.000 And I've always been most familiar with the beginning of her story where we see the angel come to her and she's like, wow, you've got this divine assignment here on earth to give birth to the savior in human form.

00:16:21.000 And just her faithfulness in that and what a blessing she was and being chosen to be this woman.

00:16:28.000 But in the book, we go a little bit further.

00:16:30.000 We show her as a mother to Jesus, his earthly mother, his part, her part in his ministry, and how she's there through the end in the crucifixion, which I cannot imagine any mother having to go through witnessing their child be falsely accused and beaten and killed.

00:16:45.000 And she is faithful to the end.

00:16:47.000 She is there at the foot of the cross.

00:16:48.000 But not only that, she's there in the upper room praying with the disciples.

00:16:53.000 She is the earliest part of the church coming together as we know it.

00:16:57.000 So I have always thought about 15-year-old Mary as I guess, you know, somewhere her age would be.

00:17:02.000 But to see her life through as a mature woman and the fact that she was there faithfully to the end, I think was just a very meaningful journey to me to watch her all the way through.

00:17:12.000 And we have Mary Magdalene also, who was a woman who was part of Jesus' ministry.

00:17:16.000 We see in the New Testament, these women were equals.

00:17:19.000 It wasn't normal that women would be studying at the foot of an exalted rabbi or teacher, but they were part of Jesus' inner circle.

00:17:25.000 He loved them.

00:17:26.000 They were friends.

00:17:27.000 And Mary Magdalene was one of those.

00:17:29.000 And we see her going in deep grief to the tomb on that first Easter Sunday and realizing his body is gone.

00:17:35.000 She's so overcome in grief.

00:17:37.000 She's crying, just saying, just all I want to know is where his body is.

00:17:40.000 She thinks she's talking to the gardener, and Jesus says, Mary.

00:17:44.000 He just says her name.

00:17:45.000 And immediately the joy and the discovery that he is resurrected, that he's alive, she runs off with the news.

00:17:52.000 And essentially, she's the first evangelist, Charlie. 0.58

00:17:55.000 And what's so amazing about that story, and I'm not sure if you touch on this in the book, is that if they were making it up, who would on earth want to have women witnesses?

00:18:06.000 Can you talk about that, the context that actually reinforces the veracity of the resurrection?

00:18:12.000 Yeah, in those days, women wouldn't have been considered great witnesses or exalted witnesses in legal disputes and that kind of thing. 1.00

00:18:19.000 You would not favor to put a woman on the stand. 0.98

00:18:23.000 The men would be the one who would be trusted and valued as legal witnesses. 0.96

00:18:27.000 So for the men who wrote the Bible inspired by God and putting this together, if they wanted to make their airtight case, I don't think they would have used women as the ones to be the witness to the resurrection.

00:18:38.000 They would have wanted to pin that on one of the disciples or one of the man somewhere in the story.

00:18:42.000 So the fact that they actually include women as the first witness and the first one to run and tell about Christ and to have that discovery to me is really powerful.

00:18:51.000 And the fact that Jesus upended so many norms about how women were valued or treated in those days is a beautiful thing.

00:18:57.000 We actually, I decided to do a closing chapter of Jesus and the women because there were so many other women we wanted to include just to see how Christ interacted with them.

00:19:06.000 They were valued.

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00:19:08.000 They were cherished and respected.

00:19:09.000 And I think that's a very important part of this book, too.

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00:20:54.000 So Shannon, can you help for some people that are not yet believers?

00:20:58.000 We touched on this a little bit, but there are stereotypes about the Christian faith.

00:21:01.000 And I'm sure you get asked about all of this.

00:21:03.000 In the New Testament, there are some scriptures that say that they're misinterpreted that women should not speak at church or things of that nature.

00:21:12.000 Without taking any theological positions, you can, if you'd like.

00:21:16.000 Can you talk about how these are general misrepresentations of Christianity?

00:21:20.000 Because there's a stereotype that certain people have or a belief wrongly that women are looked down upon and not taken seriously in the Christian faith.

00:21:30.000 Yeah, and I think that that last chapter in the book busts that myth wide open by the way that Jesus related to women, included them, revealed himself to them.

00:21:38.000 We think about Mary Magdalene the day of the resurrection in the Garden 2 area.

00:21:44.000 But I think too about the Samaritan woman.

00:21:46.000 At this time, the Jews and the Samaritans were not friendly at all.

00:21:50.000 Jewish people would travel way out of the way, so they wouldn't have to go through Samaria and interact with them.

00:21:55.000 And yet, Christ went there knowing he would interact with this Samaritan woman at the well who was living a life of shame. 0.87

00:22:02.000 She was there in the heat of the day because she wouldn't travel with the other women. 0.82

00:22:05.000 I mean, she had been married five times, was living with a man who wasn't her husband. 0.81

00:22:09.000 Jesus doesn't, you know, hit her over the head with that.

00:22:12.000 He does not judge her.

00:22:14.000 He has a conversation with her and reveals himself to her as the Messiah.

00:22:18.000 Again, revealing himself to a woman who can then go and tell.

00:22:23.000 So they clearly women are valued here.

00:22:26.000 We see the leadership in the Old Testament of Deborah and others.

00:22:28.000 There are women who are deacons who are part of Jesus' ministry in the New Testament as well.

00:22:34.000 And to me, some of the most powerful Bible teachers I know are women.

00:22:38.000 They are gifted of God.

00:22:40.000 There is no mistake about that.

00:22:42.000 And people can debate about leadership, about whether women should be pastors and leading church or not.

00:22:46.000 And that's an ongoing debate and conversation.

00:22:49.000 I think that God gifts women to do very specific things.

00:22:52.000 And I've been blessed and I've been grown spiritually by the women who are great Bible teachers and study leaders and people that I've heard speak over the ages.

00:23:00.000 And I think there's this misconception too about the idea of submission of a Christian wife.

00:23:05.000 And my husband and I have worked through all of those things.

00:23:08.000 We both are believers and believe that our marriage is consecrated to God and is guided through his leadership and through his guidance.

00:23:16.000 We respect each other as equals.

00:23:19.000 We don't say, you know, it should be 50-50.

00:23:21.000 It should be 100%, 100, both sides giving 100%.

00:23:24.000 And we respect each other's decision-making skills.

00:23:26.000 There's only one time in 25 years of marriage that we got to a complete impasse on a decision.

00:23:32.000 It was about a job and about somewhere that we were going to move.

00:23:34.000 And it was the one time in 25 years that I've said, I don't agree and I'm frustrated with this decision, but I think you as the leader of our family and the head of our household will have to make the final call.

00:23:46.000 And it wasn't easy, but I knew it was the right thing.

00:23:49.000 And it turned out to be the best thing for us because in that, there's also responsibility with men and having to make those difficult decisions and being answerable to God.

00:23:57.000 It's not like men are just going around barking orders and women are subservient wives.

00:24:02.000 I mean, that's never been my experience personally.

00:24:05.000 And it's certainly not what I believe the Bible represents or models to us about marriage.

00:24:10.000 That is a really important point because that is a false impression that many people in the secular world think that that's what the Bible articulates or what it argues for.

00:24:20.000 So I think that's a really important thing.

00:24:22.000 I was going to ask you about the submit to your husbands because that is frequently used by some of the secular feminist groups as a reason not to become a Christian.

00:24:36.000 And so, Shannon, I want to kind of close on a couple ideas.

00:24:40.000 You have an amazingly successful career.

00:24:42.000 You're able to bring your faith into your career, into companies that are not churches, but still are obviously willing to publish books like this.

00:24:51.000 Can you talk about the need for people in their work to talk about their faith?

00:24:55.000 And what's your experience about that been?

00:24:57.000 Were you a little bit more shy with your faith early on in your career?

00:25:02.000 Have you become more bold or has it just been, you know, outspoken all throughout your career?

00:25:07.000 I think people who work with me and have known me everywhere I've worked, they clearly know that whether they don't know what to call it, a person of faith or religious or churchgoing person, that's always been front and center for me.

00:25:18.000 I also think it's really important to build a relationship with people.

00:25:22.000 I think if I talked about Jesus with the Samaritan woman, I don't think you show up and start spouting Bible verses and telling people what they're doing wrong and beating them over the head with that.

00:25:30.000 That's not how we saw Christ operate.

00:25:32.000 He never excused sin, but he never condemned the person.

00:25:36.000 I think about the woman who was caught in adultery that was going to be stoned.

00:25:40.000 And he talked these men through this and said, you know, you without sin, cast the first stone.

00:25:45.000 And they all sort of slunk away.

00:25:47.000 It wasn't like a mass exodus.

00:25:48.000 They quietly put down their stones and took off.

00:25:50.000 We're all sinners saved by grace.

00:25:53.000 And, you know, what Christ said to that woman was, they don't condemn you, neither do I condemn you, but go and sin no more.

00:25:59.000 So I think it's about saying to people that I see you as a human being.

00:26:02.000 I'm going to take the time to build a relationship and care about you.

00:26:06.000 And if you have questions of faith, I have people come to me and say, I'm having this crisis or someone's sick and I don't know how it works, but I know you pray.

00:26:13.000 Will you pray for me or pray for this person?

00:26:16.000 And I feel blessed that I'm able to do that.

00:26:19.000 And, you know, over the last year, probably have been even more outspoken about my faith because people seemed very much like they were searching.

00:26:27.000 I love to post Bible verses or things from a devotional I'm reading.

00:26:30.000 And just the feedback from people the last year is I think they're very much hurting and they're searching.

00:26:35.000 And they are very much comforted by scripture and drawn to it.

00:26:41.000 And I hope that they will be.

00:26:42.000 And I hope that I will be genuine in sharing with people and seeing them as Christ does as people in his image.

00:26:50.000 So I asked this question out of Christians, and you can answer it however you want, but every Christian has moments where doubt might not be the right word, but you're less enthusiastic than others.

00:27:02.000 I don't know if you've had this experience or not. 0.92

00:27:04.000 And if you have, how are you able to stop the backslide and get back into gear?

00:27:10.000 I think for sure everybody has that at some point in their Christian journey.

00:27:13.000 I'm really impressed if you haven't.

00:27:15.000 And I'm not saying people can't just be so imbued with their faith that they never have those doubts.

00:27:20.000 But honestly, one of the times I did was in college.

00:27:23.000 I think that's a time that you're searching.

00:27:26.000 I had grown up in a Christian home.

00:27:27.000 So I was saturated in it all the time.

00:27:29.000 And even going off to Liberty University, which as you well know, is a fantastic Christian place to get your education and with wonderful professors.

00:27:38.000 And I've made lifelong friends.

00:27:39.000 I found my husband there.

00:27:40.000 But there were times even there that I said, okay, I've heard this and believed this and been involved with this my whole life, but what does it really mean?

00:27:47.000 What do these scriptures really mean?

00:27:49.000 Is there really a God?

00:27:50.000 Do I just believe this because I was born into this home that had a Christian faith?

00:27:54.000 And it was a great place to probe all of those things, to ask questions about what archaeologists tell us, what history tells us.

00:28:02.000 Ultimately, though, it is a question of faith.

00:28:04.000 And I had to really seek God's face.

00:28:08.000 And I think he wants us to question and have a genuine faith that is rooted in him.

00:28:13.000 But it does take a leap of faith.

00:28:15.000 And to me, whether you're going to have a faith in something secular to save you or be the basis of your life, that's a leap of faith as well.

00:28:21.000 For me, God has shown up in my darkest, toughest circumstances.

00:28:26.000 And I know that he is faithful.

00:28:28.000 I've seen his hand at work in my life.

00:28:30.000 Not that I've never asked questions, but he's continued to be faithful through that.

00:28:34.000 Well, amen to that.

00:28:36.000 And there's a lot of wisdom in that answer.

00:28:38.000 So I hope people go back and listen to that, that again.

00:28:42.000 The book is the women of the Bible.

00:28:45.000 I want to make sure I get the title exactly right.

00:28:48.000 But Shannon, is there anything in particular that we didn't cover that you wanted to touch on in regards to your book or what your any upcoming events you might be doing or things that, you know, promotional around it?

00:29:02.000 Yeah, you can get it at foxnews.com slash books or Amazon, any place that you like.

00:29:07.000 One little nugget is that we did include study questions.

00:29:10.000 I love study questions.

00:29:12.000 And I hope that it takes the reader from these wonderful, amazing stories that need nothing added to them because they are page turners from the pages of the Bible.

00:29:20.000 But it gives you a little bit more personalization or maybe how these things can apply to your own life.

00:29:25.000 You can do them alone, or I've had people say to me, oh, we've ordered several copies so we can do it as a Bible study over Zoom or however.

00:29:31.000 And I love to hear that because I always learn from here from other people as they study too.

00:29:36.000 But I hope it'll take things the next step from just like a super interesting, exciting, encouraging story to how it can actually benefit you in your own life through those questions.

00:29:44.000 Awesome.

00:29:44.000 It's The Women of the Bible Speak, author Shannon Bream.

00:29:49.000 And Shannon does a phenomenal job on Fox.

00:29:52.000 I love being able to come on there.

00:29:55.000 And Shannon, it's awesome what you're doing.

00:29:56.000 And thank you for your commitment to our creator and to the kingdom.

00:30:00.000 And so everyone, go check out the book.

00:30:02.000 And I hope to have you on again soon, Shannon.

00:30:04.000 Thank you.

00:30:04.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:30:05.000 And I look forward to turning back to having you in the hot seat next time.

00:30:09.000 Thanks for having me.

00:30:11.000 Thanks.

00:30:11.000 You bet, Shannon.

00:30:12.000 Talk to you soon.

00:30:14.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:30:16.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:30:19.000 If you want to get involved with Turning PointUSA, go to tpusa.com.

00:30:22.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:30:24.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 31, 2021

Timeless Wisdom for your Holy Week with Shannon Bream

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