The Charlie Kirk Show - Title 42 Ends, Third World America Begins? with Vivek Ramaswamy

00:00:00.000 I'm Alex Marlowe, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News, and this is the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:03.000 I'm in for Charlie one more day, and we have a big first hour where we give you the latest on the migrant surge over our border with the end of Title 42.

00:00:11.000 Before we speak to Vivek Ramaswamy, presidential candidate, biotech entrepreneur, and one of the more interesting Americans in the commentariate today.

00:00:19.000 He gives his border plan, but he also discusses a revolutionary idea of raising the voter age to 25.

00:00:26.000 Controversial, a bold move, and we get into it.

00:00:30.000 And then we get into a handful of other big news items.

00:00:33.000 Clip into your five-point harness because here we go.

00:00:37.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:39.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:41.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:44.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:48.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:49.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:50.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:58.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:07.000 That's why we are here.

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00:01:18.000 Happy to be here on Not a Good Day in the American Republic, but I will tell you we've got a great show lined up for you, and we couldn't have more news if you tried.

00:01:28.000 We'll touch on what's going on over Twitter, Elon Musk, the new CEO, but we'll start with a bad update, an updated our border.

00:01:37.000 Title 42 is off.

00:01:39.000 It is, I wanted to open with this clip at 139, please, Alejandro Mayorkas.

00:01:45.000 What is the economic cost of your broken immigration system?

00:01:50.000 Since there are businesses around this country that are desperate for workers, there are desperate workers looking for jobs, desperate workers in foreign countries that are looking for jobs in the United States where they can earn money lawfully and send much-needed remittances back home.

00:02:11.000 What is the cost of a broken immigration system?

00:02:14.000 That is the question that I am asked, and that is the question that I pose to Congress because it is extraordinary.

00:02:21.000 Every once in a while, they give you something that so clearly reveals their thinking, you're almost grateful for the clarity.

00:02:28.000 His priorities are actually getting remittances.

00:02:32.000 If you're watching this show and you're not paid by Soros or Media Matters to watch it, you probably are in the camp that that is a problem if we are importing people specifically so they can take American dollars that we earn and that we create with our capitalist economy and send them back to wherever they're from, probably in a lot of cases, communist countries, particularly a lot of the current flood or Venezuelans in particular, one of the worst communist regimes in the world.

00:02:59.000 We actually have a reporter at Breitbart News, Caleb Caruso, who's down there and he covers it.

00:03:03.000 He has a column called My Socialist Nightmare that he writes for us at Breitbart News because he tracks Venezuela from Venezuela from us.

00:03:10.000 And Mayorka is actually prioritizing the remittances getting sent out of the U.S. Do you think those are taxed at the same rate you and I are taxed?

00:03:18.000 No, absolutely not.

00:03:21.000 He also is worried about the migrants, whether or not they're going to have enough jobs because there's not enough jobs in their own countries.

00:03:28.000 They want jobs here, but there are some jobs in their own countries.

00:03:31.000 And here there's limited jobs in some ways because we get the lowest unemployment rate in however long, historic low, 3.4%.

00:03:38.000 So all they're doing is coming here to compete with Americans to lower our wages. 0.93

00:03:43.000 And the businesses are desperate for workers.

00:03:45.000 It's not just that they're desperate for workers.

00:03:47.000 They're desperate for workers that they can pay less.

00:03:50.000 They don't want to pay workers what workers are worth in this country.

00:03:53.000 So how do they drive down the worth?

00:03:55.000 Import people via legal immigration, illegal immigration, all immigration. 0.97

00:03:59.000 It's all good.

00:04:00.000 And who bears the brunt of this?

00:04:02.000 American communities.

00:04:04.000 We're seeing numbers approaching a million people amassed at our border with Title 42 ending yesterday, trickling in.

00:04:11.000 Those of you who missed yesterday's show, I gave a pretty good rundown and where I explained kind of some of the details of where Title 42 comes from, comes from the CDC.

00:04:19.000 It's a public health authority.

00:04:20.000 It's been used to control disease flowing over our borders.

00:04:24.000 And it's been used to remove 3 million illegal aliens since mid-2020.

00:04:28.000 Now, this seems like a huge number, and it is, but it gets even bigger when you look at the context.

00:04:34.000 We've had over 2 million illegal aliens enter the country anyway, both of those years.

00:04:39.000 Both of those are records, 2022 beating 2021.

00:04:43.000 And as noted yesterday, all of that's five times more than what it was during the Trump era.

00:04:48.000 So now we're going to have this huge catch and release network, and we don't even know if we're going to be tracking everyone who's coming in.

00:04:54.000 A judge blocked earlier today or late last night a proposal by Joe Biden post-Title 42 to have a catch and release policy where border deputies would be asked to have a temporary restraining order.

00:05:11.000 A temporary restraining order was listed, which would have been a way to implement a way to allow people into the country without being tracked at all.

00:05:23.000 And so that's been removed for the time being.

00:05:27.000 But who knows how long it'll hold?

00:05:28.000 And who knows what the next move is going to be from Iorcus, who appears to be hell-bent on getting people in as quickly as humanly possible.

00:05:36.000 Now, what is our option here?

00:05:39.000 Unfortunately, with these people in charge, most of the options involve complaining about it, which is entirely unsatisfying.

00:05:47.000 If you look at some of the moves that are being made, two more busloads of more than 70 migrants from Texas have been dropped off at Kamala Harris's doorstep in Washington, D.C. Governor Abbott sends 17,000 to D.C., New York, Chicago, Philadelphia.

00:06:02.000 I like this move.

00:06:03.000 It gets attention. 1.00

00:06:04.000 And Kamala Harris is supposed to be in charge. 0.87

00:06:06.000 It's still never been to the border, even though it's her charge.

00:06:10.000 Have you noticed how Joe Biden seems to give Kamala the most impossible tasks?

00:06:13.000 Do you think it's by design?

00:06:15.000 I'm pretty sure that's by design. 0.72

00:06:17.000 She doesn't know the first thing about the border, and she's no interest in it because she's a California senator, California politician.

00:06:23.000 And that is a place that's been acculturated to want an open border. 0.60

00:06:27.000 So you're going to have to get court dates.

00:06:30.000 That's the rule that this judge has.

00:06:32.000 But when are the dates going to be? 0.99

00:06:33.000 We had Savannah Hernandez on the show yesterday.

00:06:35.000 She was saying she was talking to people who were getting their dates in 2027.

00:06:39.000 I read one report today that a decade, a decade could be the wait.

00:06:43.000 We don't have the people to process this.

00:06:45.000 And that's the point, because that is a de facto amnesty when you're letting people stay in the country for years and years and years. 0.89

00:06:51.000 The lines are absolutely over-the-top ridiculous.

00:06:55.000 If you've seen any of the photos, we've been posting them at Brightbrook.com.

00:06:59.000 I know Trinity Point USA's reporters have been showing some of them as well of people amassed, trying to come in.

00:07:05.000 And I'll tell you why they're all just lining up and not just rushing the border and making a run for it as they might have in yesterday.

00:07:13.000 It's because they think when they get processed, they're going to have a very good chance of staying in.

00:07:17.000 And even though our asylum rules are supposed to be relatively strict, they're not because people just get caught and released.

00:07:27.000 Migrants are traveling here to find jobs. 1.00

00:07:30.000 They're trying to get that money to send it back to their home countries.

00:07:35.000 Some of them are trying to put down roots, but most of them are just looking for a better economic opportunity.

00:07:39.000 That's the nature of things.

00:07:41.000 And who benefits from that?

00:07:42.000 It's the major corporations who can have cheap slave labor and these countries, like Venezuela, for example, who are going to be, Who are going to be benefiting from the remittances that are going to come back?

00:07:59.000 John Bender, for us at Breitbart News, has documented what he describes as three, what he describes as the goal is for most of these migrants is to claim asylum by be releasing the U.S. through the catch and release network while they await their hearings in the future.

00:08:17.000 Even CNN, as we heard in some of the clips, and we'll play some more today, are acknowledging that the surge is just not an issue that will affect U.S. cities near the southern border.

00:08:29.000 A Brownsville, Texas official says migrants are requesting transportation to get to Chicago and Dallas and Houston and Brooklyn and Denver and Miami.

00:08:37.000 So we'll be a ferry service.

00:08:39.000 We have just stunning footage at Breitbart News of the Texas military troopers turning back waves of migrants at a border rival river crossing.

00:08:49.000 Texas National Guardsmen, Department of Public Safety troopers setting up barbed wire.

00:08:54.000 But my question is, why was this done just now?

00:08:56.000 Why wasn't this done years ago?

00:08:58.000 Why wasn't it done?

00:08:59.000 Why weren't all these tactics done when people tried to obstruct the Trump wall as best as they can?

00:09:06.000 The Department of Homeland Security says we're relying on released migrants to come back, but they won't say how long they'll be doing these releases.

00:09:15.000 And they are relying on the credibility, on the honesty of people who are already willing to break our laws to come in to begin with.

00:09:24.000 It's interesting to track New York City and Eric Adams in particular because he's sort of an open book.

00:09:28.000 He sometimes spills his guts too easily.

00:09:31.000 And he's been whining about the migrants that are getting dropped off there.

00:09:35.000 Texas is set to bust more in, and all he's doing is whining about it.

00:09:40.000 And Texas is going to outpace his ability to remove the migrants with new migrants that are sent in. 0.89

00:09:46.000 And this is the bare minimum that Governor Abbott can do.

00:09:49.000 But as a country, we need to understand that we're in for it for the long haul here.

00:09:54.000 There is no clear answer until we force, by sheer willpower, Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorka to have a change of heart and a change of mind, which is going to be tough to do.

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00:10:58.000 I just can't get over that Majorca's clip.

00:11:01.000 We need to send remittances back to our country is not grounds for asylum.

00:11:05.000 Do we understand that?

00:11:06.000 He's the one who should be understanding that more than anyone.

00:11:10.000 By the way, I'm fleeing crime is not even necessarily grounds for asylum also, because there's a lot of countries in the world that have a massive crime problem.

00:11:17.000 And if they have that, then are we just going to let everyone in?

00:11:21.000 Are we going to have 5 billion new Americans?

00:11:24.000 Maybe that's what he wants.

00:11:25.000 In fact, I'm going to go with that's exactly what he wants.

00:11:28.000 We'll continue to bring you updates throughout the day, but this is going to be a long, slow, nasty burn with Title 42 coming off.

00:11:35.000 And we can only, all we can do is raise awareness.

00:11:40.000 Big breaking news yesterday is that Elon Musk is engaged to be engaged.

00:11:45.000 She's got a promise ring on NBC Universal's Linda Yaccarino to be the next CEO of Twitter.

00:11:54.000 Musk said he's going to step back into like three other huge titles.

00:11:57.000 So I'm sure he'll maintain a lot of control. 0.97

00:12:02.000 I, of course, immediately tried to do a deep dive into who Linda Yaccarino is.

00:12:07.000 And I will give you the good news first, and there's two good items, and then we will get into the not so great news. 0.98

00:12:13.000 The first thing that we know is that she's incredibly good at what she does as a top advertising executive for MBC.

00:12:22.000 I think she's also with the Turner Network before and apparently did a lot of success there.

00:12:26.000 And she's been able to increase the advertising business at NBC Universal something to the tune of $100 billion, which is quite impressive.

00:12:36.000 And no doubt, someone who's incredibly capable of bringing some advertisement back onto the platform, which again comes up constantly.

00:12:45.000 Musk has got himself into a real catch-22 where he wants Twitter to be the ground zero for freedom of speech and he wants it to be a viable advertising business.

00:12:54.000 This is nearly impossible to do.

00:12:56.000 And if anyone can figure it out, Musk seems to be smart enough, but he's going to have a real uphill climb to do it.

00:13:02.000 It is, for anyone else, I would almost say that's impossible.

00:13:04.000 But for Musk, I would say it's nearly impossible.

00:13:07.000 So it makes sense to tap an advertising person.

00:13:10.000 And so that's number one.

00:13:12.000 And she seems quite accomplished.

00:13:13.000 Number two, she was on President Trump's Council on Sports, Fitness, and Nutrition.

00:13:18.000 So that's pretty cool. 1.00

00:13:19.000 So she's already been criticized online for following too many right-wingers.

00:13:23.000 Okay, that is the end of the good stuff.

00:13:25.000 The bad stuff is much longer.

00:13:28.000 She addressed the World Economic Forum in 2019, stressing the importance of diversity.

00:13:33.000 She chaired the WEF Task Force on the Future of Work.

00:13:39.000 The address itself, I went through it, is not too bad.

00:13:42.000 But again, the cozying up to the World Economic Forum is not great.

00:13:47.000 She took over this task force and the future of work.

00:13:49.000 She contributed to discussions and policies that were trying to shape the global employment landscape we have reporting on at Breitbart News right now.

00:13:57.000 So I'm concerned a bit about these, but as far as WEF ties, seems to be less offensive than most, but obviously not a great start there.

00:14:08.000 She was a chairman of the ad council, where she ran during that tenure, she ran ads promoting masking well after it was proved useless. 0.73

00:14:16.000 She also, ad council also pushed a lot of vaccine stuff.

00:14:20.000 It gets scarier.

00:14:21.000 She promoted lots of brand safety, which is this faux concern that corporate media has that pushes normative brands away from alternative media.

00:14:31.000 So you could have huge outlets with millions or tens of millions of viewers, readers, et cetera, places like Breitbart, places like Charlie's show, where maybe you don't get the exact same ads as you get a low-rated CNN.

00:14:44.000 And partially it's because of people like this who push this brand safety thing that you don't want to have certain advertising that could reach 20 times the audience so long as it's not the right audience.

00:14:55.000 So this is something that's a huge hoax and it's designed to keep down a conservative medium.

00:15:00.000 She also has her fingerprints on something called Concert, which I reported on in my book, Breaking the News, which was something called, which NBC and Vox were promoting online to create this new online ad venture.

00:15:12.000 And it was basically to have more left-wing corporate control over advertising.

00:15:18.000 During her time at NBC Universal, and I don't know how much to pin this on her, but during the time she was there, she did, NBC did hype boycotts of Breitbart and others.

00:15:30.000 And this is where the brand safety stuff started coming up following these groups of left-wing radicals online of a handful of people who were demanding places like Fox News, shows like Tucker's show, shows like Laura's show, not get advertising dollars.

00:15:44.000 So this is a disturbing thing is that her whole mindset is that this current era, there's too much toxic information, there's too much hate speech.

00:15:53.000 And of course, by that, we mean conservative speech that is potentially a threat to brands.

00:15:58.000 Now, where is her heart at or her mind at politically?

00:16:01.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:16:01.000 Maybe she's better than most. 0.99

00:16:03.000 But I'll tell you that these are very bad signs, the WEF connection and this brand safety stuff that makes me think this is not going to be a great hire for us, the MAGA crowd.

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00:17:19.000 The Constitution is first of all the best operating document for a free society known to mankind.

00:17:25.000 This is my number one reason why I'm on the side of not a national divorce, but a national revival, because once you have a national divorce, the Constitution itself is gone.

00:17:35.000 One of the things that we don't do a good enough job of in this country is teaching the next generation what the Constitution actually says.

00:17:42.000 You're right.

00:17:42.000 Okay.

00:17:43.000 So one of the things I favor, this is controversial to some people.

00:17:47.000 If you want to be 18 years old, graduate from high school and cast a ballot in this country at a young age, you better at least pass the civics portion of the text that immigrants have to pass to actually come to the country. 0.98

00:18:01.000 But providing a civic life, we have to make big.

00:18:05.000 We have to have a population and a culture in this country that's committed to it in the first place.

00:18:09.000 And if I have to choose between one or the other, the whole ballgame is the second one.

00:18:13.000 That's Vivek Ramaswamy, a friend of mine, and now a candidate for president of the United States.

00:18:18.000 He's also a biotech entrepreneur, author of a couple books, particularly Woke Inc. as a must-read.

00:18:23.000 Vivek, great to have you on.

00:18:24.000 We have so much to get to in a brief amount of time.

00:18:26.000 I know you're on a campaign boss, but I love this take so much.

00:18:31.000 It's so entertaining.

00:18:32.000 And this is why I love when people like you enter the race, super smart people who are unexpected.

00:18:37.000 We should be talking about this.

00:18:39.000 We have a lot of uninformed people who cast ballots.

00:18:42.000 You've actually got a solution.

00:18:43.000 Talk to us about the solution.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, I mean, the solution is a constitutional amendment that I'm unapologetically supporting.

00:18:48.000 Admittedly, taking a lot of heat in the last 24 hours for it, but if you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen, as they say.

00:18:53.000 So I'm ready for it.

00:18:54.000 Yeah.

00:18:55.000 I think that I want to raise the voting age in this country from 18 to 25, but to still allow 18-year-olds to vote if they do one of two things.

00:19:04.000 Either they do six months of national service by way of either military service or first responder role, or else they actually pass the same civics test that an immigrant is required to pass in order to become a fully naturalized voting citizen of this country. 0.87

00:19:21.000 And if somebody wants to give me a reason why we shouldn't ask an 18-year-old to know something about the Constitution before they're voting at a young age, I'll stand by and wait.

00:19:30.000 I haven't heard a good reason yet.

00:19:32.000 Or in the alternative, why they shouldn't at least have a path to do service as an alternative to that test.

00:19:36.000 I'm yet to hear a good reason.

00:19:38.000 And people forget this, Alex, that the voting age was only ever reduced to 18 in 1971 in the context of the military draft.

00:19:45.000 So these were tied together.

00:19:47.000 And yet now people think it's an affront for me to say that there should be some civic duty amongst young Americans that we should proactively foster.

00:19:55.000 And yet that's what I think we're going to have to do.

00:19:56.000 And I've, you know, I'm going to be pretty unapologetic about not only supporting this, but supporting the revival of our national identity in this country without apologizing for it.

00:20:06.000 That's why I'm in this race, not only to make the points, but to actually deliver and govern for the next decade in a way that ushers in a national revival that I think we're hungry for.

00:20:14.000 But why are we afraid of this discussion?

00:20:16.000 This seems like a perfectly valid discussion.

00:20:18.000 Our school system's failing.

00:20:19.000 We're not teaching kids to have a national identity.

00:20:21.000 We're not teaching young people to even understand what the basic American values are.

00:20:25.000 They couldn't tell you what American values are.

00:20:27.000 They don't know who any of our founding fathers are.

00:20:29.000 And then we're going to go cast them.

00:20:31.000 We're going to trust them with casting votes to determine the future of the country.

00:20:34.000 Now, I'm not saying it's realistic.

00:20:36.000 I'm not saying it would be super popular.

00:20:38.000 But this is an important discussion because it reminds us of so many of those ancillary issues.

00:20:44.000 Why you need to bring it up, why this is a valid discussion is because we fall behind in all those ways and we're just ignoring it.

00:20:51.000 I mean, this is my style as a candidate too, Alex.

00:20:54.000 There's an old saying, it sort of goes something like this.

00:20:56.000 If you actually care about someone, you tell them the truth.

00:21:00.000 If you care about yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.

00:21:03.000 So I didn't poll test this.

00:21:05.000 It's just the truth, right?

00:21:07.000 And so I know that this is not going to be super popular amongst a lot of audiences, even amongst Republican audiences.

00:21:14.000 I don't particularly care about that because it's my job to persuade people why civic duty matters.

00:21:20.000 It's my job, if I'm elected the next president, to lead people to what is actually true rather than just feeding them more of what gives them a current dopamine hit, which is the way we govern today.

00:21:30.000 And so, you know, the pushback I get is this Jim Crow.

00:21:33.000 Okay, well, that's what I get from the left.

00:21:34.000 They say Jim Crow for everything. 0.89

00:21:36.000 I don't think they didn't know what Jim Crow was. 0.93

00:21:37.000 They just say the words at this point.

00:21:39.000 But, you know, this is the same, is it Jim Crow that you ask an immigrant to this country to pass a test?

00:21:45.000 Somebody who's been a taxpayer for 10 years, they can't vote.

00:21:49.000 You have to pass a civics test that tells you how to vote.

00:21:51.000 Civics test includes questions like, who are the three authors of the Federalist Papers?

00:21:56.000 John Jay, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton.

00:21:59.000 How many amendments are there in the Constitution?

00:22:01.000 27.

00:22:02.000 This is stuff that I think every American ought to know.

00:22:05.000 Every true American ought to know.

00:22:07.000 And so tell me why it's Jim Crow then to ask an 18-year-old to do that when, in fact, the voting age was only ever made 18 in 1971 in the context of military service.

00:22:15.000 And so some people aren't good at taking tests.

00:22:17.000 Fine, then serve the country for six months and learn something about the country that way, either through military or police service or a different first responder role for six months.

00:22:26.000 But that's what it's going to take, Alex, if we want to have a country, want to be some geographic space where a bunch of people with a bunch of different shades of melanin walk around and call themselves diverse.

00:22:35.000 That's not a country to me.

00:22:36.000 A country is a nation, especially in America, that's built on a set of ideals that unite us.

00:22:42.000 And I will not apologize for taking bold steps as the next president to revive the ideals that set this nation into motion 250 years ago.

00:22:50.000 I was just looking at that social media day showed me a funny comment.

00:22:54.000 Somebody's calling me Brown Mussolini for proposing this.

00:22:56.000 Yes.

00:22:57.000 I'll take it.

00:22:58.000 I don't really care.

00:22:59.000 This is what it means to be American, and I will not apologize for it.

00:23:02.000 Good for you for having a thick skin on this, because here's the thing.

00:23:05.000 If Viveka gets his way, and we're not saying you will, it's unlikely you will, but let's say you did.

00:23:10.000 All that does is encourage people to up their game.

00:23:13.000 Families, raise children who understand and can pass the civics test.

00:23:16.000 Schools, educate people so they can pass this test, or raise a type of people who go into service, which you have been an advocate for a national service requirement in your first book, Woke Inc., which I think is a really interesting, compelling idea.

00:23:29.000 Vivek, we could do this all day, but I want to get your take on the border.

00:23:31.000 You're running for president.

00:23:32.000 Let's say you win, or let's say you become vice president and the president puts you in charge of the border, which is the current situation.

00:23:39.000 What's your plan at the border right now with Title 42 off?

00:23:42.000 Well, look, I'm the next commander in chief.

00:23:44.000 I will use our military to secure our own border rather than somebody else's border and God knows where.

00:23:50.000 I think it is a proper use of the U.S. military to secure our southern border.

00:23:54.000 That is how you solve the border crisis.

00:23:56.000 Post the expiry of Title 42, we now have estimated 14,000 illegals per day, Alex.

00:24:03.000 Maybe I don't need to educate you on this.

00:24:04.000 You probably already know it, but per day, think about that number.

00:24:08.000 That is staggering, right?

00:24:10.000 I don't think that talking about building some wall is going to get that job done.

00:24:14.000 And I'm not opposed to that.

00:24:16.000 I think we just got to go further.

00:24:17.000 I think we actually have to use the military itself to secure the border.

00:24:20.000 And keep in mind, it's not just the illegal aliens who are crossing the border.

00:24:24.000 It is also the principal source through which fentanyl enters this country.

00:24:29.000 Think about fentanyl poisoning that's killing 200 Americans per day on American soil.

00:24:36.000 I'm on this bus in Iowa, and I'm kidding, not kidding you, Alex.

00:24:38.000 One of our stops coming up very soon is I'm meeting with parents who have lost their children, whose children died as a consequence of fentanyl poisoning.

00:24:49.000 I'm doing that in every state we travel to.

00:24:51.000 It has been the hardest part of this campaign are those stops we make.

00:24:56.000 I refuse to be a bystander who sits by and watches that happen as a passive hollowed out husk of a human sitting in the White House.

00:25:03.000 That's what we have there right now.

00:25:04.000 But I think right now we have an opportunity to address that.

00:25:07.000 It doesn't take a lot, but it takes some action standing up to the establishment in Washington, D.C. and both parties that say you can't use the military to secure the border.

00:25:15.000 No, I disagree.

00:25:16.000 You can. 0.99

00:25:17.000 And by the way, I'll also use them to annihilate the Mexican drug cartel south of our own border if that's what it comes to. 0.86

00:25:22.000 Vivek, let me ask you about the current situation now in terms of we've been playing clips of Alejandro Mayorkas, and his priorities are clearly foreigners in foreign countries, that people being able to send remittances, people being able to, foreigners being able to come here to work.

00:25:40.000 A system like this, who does it impact the most?

00:25:43.000 Who is most affected by this?

00:25:46.000 I'm sure your answer is going to be normal American communities.

00:25:48.000 These are the type of communities you're seeing.

00:25:50.000 But walk me through your thinking on this particular topic and how you're going to defend Americans from these policies.

00:25:56.000 I think we restore the rule of law, Alex.

00:25:59.000 I think it's just that simple.

00:26:00.000 It's not that complicated.

00:26:03.000 We have immigration laws for a reason. 0.99

00:26:06.000 We don't enforce them.

00:26:07.000 We need to enforce them because we're a nation built on the rule of law.

00:26:11.000 Now, I think that I'm open to a conversation about sensibly reforming what legal immigration looks like.

00:26:19.000 But right now, that's a sideshow compared to the real problem, which is a border security problem.

00:26:25.000 And Alex, not a lot of people are aware of this.

00:26:28.000 There's an increasing northern border security problem in the United States, even as it relates to fentanyl, too.

00:26:33.000 So I think we can't conflate a bunch of different things at once.

00:26:38.000 Border security is a top national security issue in this country.

00:26:42.000 It is a threat to American identity.

00:26:44.000 Part of the reason it's a threat to American identity is that we're a nation founded on the rule of law.

00:26:48.000 So your first act of entering this country, by definition, cannot and should not be a law-breaking one.

00:26:53.000 That's what I know I can address in the first six months of a presidency, and I will do it without apology.

00:26:58.000 And then you have a hard time calling me racist or xenophobic.

00:27:01.000 I'm the kid of immigrants who came to this country legally with all money.

00:27:05.000 You know, it'd be a weird, it'd be an odd pitch to call me a white supremacist or whatever it is.

00:27:10.000 Brown Mussolini is now at the resorting.

00:27:13.000 But this is basics.

00:27:15.000 And I think that's part of who we are as an American.

00:27:17.000 Let's turn our focus to the presidential race right now.

00:27:20.000 President Trump had a good night on CNN.

00:27:23.000 This is something that he went by, somebody that's in your playbook, which is trying to speak to people who conservatives are inclined not to speak to these days.

00:27:31.000 Vivek, you and I have been on the opposite side of this debate, and I'm kind of becoming a believer after watching you squeeze the lemon and get him removed from.

00:27:39.000 And now we see his replacement, Caitlin Collins, and Trump just completely made mincemeat out of that network.

00:27:46.000 What is your take?

00:27:47.000 What's happening here?

00:27:48.000 Is something changing?

00:27:49.000 Look, I think that that's why it's going to take an outsider. 0.98

00:27:51.000 I give Trump credit for going to CNN.

00:27:53.000 I do it all the time.

00:27:54.000 I'm going to go on CNN tomorrow morning, by the way.

00:27:56.000 They just called me.

00:27:56.000 I said, I'll do it.

00:27:57.000 Fine.

00:27:57.000 No problem.

00:27:58.000 Chuck Todd, meet the press.

00:27:59.000 I'll show up.

00:28:00.000 I believe in open debate.

00:28:02.000 I believe free speech is the way in our country.

00:28:05.000 I think the conservative movement, the Republican Party today, has the opportunity to be the party of free speech.

00:28:09.000 Think about that compared to Berkeley students decades ago.

00:28:12.000 The hippies were standing for free speech.

00:28:14.000 Well, now we are the new hippies.

00:28:15.000 We're the ones who stand for actual free speech and open debate in our country, but we've got to practice what we preach.

00:28:20.000 And Alex, one of the things I love about you is you're also receptive.

00:28:23.000 We as human beings have opinions, have firm convictions, but if we have an open heart, we also can change our mind.

00:28:29.000 You've changed my mind on some things.

00:28:31.000 I'm glad to hear that our discourse has had an impact in the other direction, too.

00:28:34.000 I think that we do our best when we show up on the other side's home turf and win.

00:28:38.000 I think there are other candidates in this race who have said they won't talk to NBC News because they're not nice to them, won't show up on a college campus unless the questions are pre-screened.

00:28:46.000 I don't think that's not a good look for us, but it's also just not good in substance.

00:28:50.000 We have to lead according to the values that we preach.

00:28:53.000 And so my rule in this campaign is I will talk to anyone.

00:28:56.000 Critics from the left, critics from anywhere else.

00:28:59.000 If you want to sit across the table from Xi Jinping, you shouldn't be afraid of sitting across the table from any American either.

00:29:05.000 That should be part of the vetting process to become president.

00:29:08.000 And so I'll tell you the truth, I was giving a speech in Iowa at the time that Trump was in his town hall.

00:29:12.000 We're here in a four-day bus tour.

00:29:14.000 I'm enjoying meeting people across this country.

00:29:15.000 So I didn't get to see how he did.

00:29:16.000 I heard he did pretty well.

00:29:18.000 But the best part about it is that we're actually having more cross-pollinated dialogue.

00:29:23.000 We're going to the other side's home turf and we're demonstrating that we actually mean what we say.

00:29:28.000 And I think the funny thing is it takes an outsider rather than a professional politician to do it.

00:29:32.000 I think that leaves me and President Trump in this race.

00:29:35.000 I think we're the two candidates that are going to matter very soon.

00:29:38.000 I'm going to go further than Trump ever did.

00:29:39.000 And I think that that's a big part of my case for the candidacy.

00:29:42.000 I'm the first millennial ever to run for U.S. president as a Republican.

00:29:46.000 I think we can go further if we do it based on first principles and moral authority, not just vengeance and grievance.

00:29:53.000 But I think that we need more of us, like Trump did, like I've been doing, to actually go on the other side and win.

00:29:58.000 Vivek Ramaswamy, Vivek2024.com.

00:30:00.000 If you want to keep up, Vivek, I know I'll talk to you again on my show or Charlie's, wherever we may cross paths again, but thanks so much.

00:30:09.000 The big topic today is immigration, illegal immigration.

00:30:13.000 We're looking at the Custom Border Protection Chief, Raul Ortiz, this week, saying that three agents were assaulted so far, 70,000 or so apprehensions, but also 15,780 gotaways.

00:30:26.000 So those are the people who they don't even really know where they're going.

00:30:28.000 And I always feel like we don't have a clear sense of what that number really is.

00:30:33.000 I don't think that that is, that number always feels approximate to me because if we don't know, if they haven't really even made contact with anyone, who'd just say that number isn't bigger?

00:30:43.000 And it would be bigger aside from one thing.

00:30:45.000 The thing is, is that the people have such a confidence level, there's such a high confidence level that they're going to get let in if they simply semi-abide by the rules, that it is a possibility that they're better off throwing themselves on the mercy of our current system.

00:31:02.000 Now, I find that to be, in a way, even more disturbing than if they were trying to sneak in.

00:31:11.000 The fact that they're not sneaking in is arguably worse, if you can picture that.

00:31:15.000 And I think you can.

00:31:17.000 Other data that we're getting, we're getting that we have seven firearms, five sex offenders, four gang members, two felons.

00:31:25.000 One subject had five warrants.

00:31:28.000 This is yet another reason why it is so imperative on us to have a secure border, because if any one of these individuals who had some sort of a criminal history, if they brought in anything that was illegal, anything that could do harm to Americans, even one case should be unacceptable.

00:31:46.000 And yet to hear the Barack Obama and Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton wing of the Democrat Party talk about it, that those people are a lower priority.

00:31:58.000 They're a lower priority than the American citizens who would ultimately get harmed by this.

00:32:04.000 This is what we need to impart to those people who are on the fence about this issue, who might be waking up, seeing their New York Times today, seeing whatever establishment news outlet, CNN, et cetera, where they get their news.

00:32:16.000 And for the first time, perhaps, they're starting to understand that this is a significant issue, that this is an issue that is unsustainable.

00:32:25.000 And it is not going to be enough simply to have a bleeding heart and to feel as though your emotions can drive you on this.

00:32:34.000 This is impractical for a country.

00:32:36.000 A country cannot continue if we continue to allow for a border to be open.

00:32:42.000 And the signal that is being broadcast by the U.S. government is that the border is open.

00:32:47.000 It is game on.

00:32:48.000 Please come here if you can.

00:32:51.000 It is so it is.

00:32:54.000 It is one of the things that is most disturbing to me, though, is how powerless I feel and how I think most conservatives feel.

00:33:01.000 The House passed a sweeping border bill that was to stop the invasion.

00:33:05.000 Remember when you couldn't even use the word invasion?

00:33:07.000 And now all of a sudden they can use it.

00:33:09.000 But what does the House do with this bill?

00:33:11.000 Good for them for passing it.

00:33:12.000 They have to get on record with this stuff.

00:33:14.000 But even though they've passed it, what does that mean?

00:33:17.000 It means essentially they're just on record.

00:33:20.000 That's it.

00:33:21.000 It doesn't mean that there's anything that they can do.

00:33:23.000 And so this is why elections matter.

00:33:26.000 The governor of Texas needs to do all he can.

00:33:29.000 It may even be time for some level of civil disobedience where we figure out a way to enforce certain things nonviolently, of course.

00:33:39.000 I'm all ears.

00:33:40.000 And if you have an idea, email me at alex at brightbert.com.

00:33:43.000 But this is such a significant thing.

00:33:45.000 I'm glad to see that there is some efforts that are taking place at our border from border agents, customs and border protection.

00:33:55.000 But will it be enough to stem this tide?

00:33:57.000 Of course not.

00:33:57.000 Of course it won't be.

00:33:58.000 And we've signed up for this thing and now we're going to have to eat.

00:34:01.000 We're now going to have to eat it.

00:34:03.000 One other issue, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg has reversed course and is now going to, it is now Daniel Penny, the guy who choked Jordan Neely, has been a turned himself over.

00:34:16.000 We don't know if the other two people who were involved who are both POCs, people of color, we don't know if they're going to be charged as well.

00:34:23.000 But this is a big reversal. 0.97

00:34:24.000 Alvin Bragg is a big clown spending his time going after Trump. 0.97

00:34:27.000 This is purely political pressure. 0.99

00:34:29.000 Jordan Neely, of course, was a threat. 0.99

00:34:31.000 He said he was going to kill a mother effer. 0.98

00:34:33.000 He had 40 arrests. 0.99

00:34:35.000 He clearly was a problem.

00:34:37.000 I'm not saying he necessarily needed to be choked to death.

00:34:40.000 A jury will figure that out, I guess, at this point.

00:34:42.000 But he might even be charged without something like that.

00:34:44.000 We don't know what's going to go on exactly, but we do know that this is another political persecution, prosecution coming to the New York District Attorney.

00:34:52.000 This is the fabric of our country that we're really playing with fire here.

00:34:55.000 When the judicial system becomes a way to implement Democrat politics, America becomes a much less safe place and a much less free place.

00:35:05.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 12, 2023

Title 42 Ends, Third World America Begins? with Vivek Ramaswamy

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