The Charlie Kirk Show - To Impeach or Not Impeach? with Reps. Jim Jordan and Chip Roy

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00:01:21.000 Joining us now is the great Congressman Jim Jordan on several issues that he is leading on.

00:01:29.000 He's doing a great job.

00:01:30.000 Congressman Jordan, thank you for taking the time.

00:01:32.000 Let's start with the potential impeachment of Merrick Garland.

00:01:36.000 Congressman, what is the latest?

00:01:39.000 Well, we're going to keep digging for the facts and the truth, but this latest revelation from the IRS whistleblower, where it sounds like the U.S. Attorney in Delaware was requesting special counsel status and it was denied by, according to the whistleblower, denied by the Attorney General of the United States, and that contradicts what the attorney fight to under oath in front of the United States Senate when he said, no, he'd take a hands-off approach.

00:02:02.000 He'd let David Weiss, the U.S. Attorney in Delaware, run the case the way he felt was needed.

00:02:06.000 So we got a problem there.

00:02:08.000 And as a result of not having special counsel status, the case wasn't able to be brought in the District of Columbia or the Central District of California, which is where these tax matters should have been prosecuted.

00:02:18.000 And I just had one other thing, Charlie.

00:02:19.000 Understand, because it couldn't be brought there, this wound up allowing the 2014 tax year for Hunter Biden that dealt with barisma, all that income for that year, not to be able to be prosecuted against that statute of limitations run on that.

00:02:35.000 So that's a big problem.

00:02:36.000 We're going to continue to dig into it.

00:02:37.000 And if the facts take us to impeachment, then we'll go there.

00:02:41.000 But we're not there yet.

00:02:42.000 We've got to continue to do our work and do the investigation on Merrigarland, on my orcas, and frankly, on the president.

00:02:48.000 Yeah, so just as a side note, impeachment of cabinet officials is possible, but it's rare.

00:02:54.000 Usually we think of impeachment proceedings of presidents.

00:02:58.000 Is it a similar process, Congressman, as far as starts in the House and it gets to get out of committee, then a floor vote goes to the Senate?

00:03:05.000 And look, anytime we do it, we would do it in a way that I think provides a real due process, unlike what they did to President Trump both the first and second time, but certainly the second time, but even the first time where I sat in the bunker in the basement of the Capitol, we were doing depositions.

00:03:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:24.000 We were interviewing witnesses.

00:03:25.000 President Trump never got to call any of his witnesses.

00:03:27.000 His attorneys didn't get to be a part of any of that.

00:03:29.000 And we would do it in a way that would be fair if we get to that point, regardless of who it may affect.

00:03:36.000 So we've seen now that all roads lead to Joe Biden.

00:03:42.000 You were recently on Maria Bardaroma's program saying that impeachment of Joe Biden is now on the table.

00:03:48.000 Is that correct, Congressman?

00:03:50.000 Well, I mean, think about it.

00:03:52.000 We now have this 1023 form where you have a foreign national alleging that That used the term the big guy.

00:04:00.000 So you have people now on both sides of the equation, Hunter Biden's business partner using that term, someone who was actually paying the money to the Biden family using that term.

00:04:10.000 The 1023 form, according to the whistleblower, says that the Confidential Human Source said that these conversations were happening, money in exchange for policy decisions.

00:04:21.000 And now you have this IRS issue where you got the WhatsApp message.

00:04:26.000 You got all the details that the whistleblower has brought forward with what the Justice Department did, Biden's Justice Department did.

00:04:32.000 I don't think we're there yet, but I do think if the facts take us there, we are constitutionally bound.

00:04:38.000 If this is a high crime, bribery, treason, misdemeanor, the definition of the Constitution, if we get there, then we'll have to do that.

00:04:45.000 But we got to continue to investigate first.

00:04:47.000 Yeah, we have to look at it.

00:04:49.000 I think it's time to impeach Joe Biden, and I think the facts will lead there.

00:04:53.000 And you guys are doing this very maturely, unlike the Democrats, by the way, who did two shoddy impeachments.

00:04:59.000 The second one, even more so than the first one, they did in an hours or day bum rush, right?

00:05:05.000 So you got to get your facts.

00:05:06.000 Remember, these are very serious.

00:05:07.000 We don't take this lightly.

00:05:09.000 And, you know, we want to make sure if we do it, we go through the right due process, that, you know, the president has his side of the story.

00:05:17.000 Like, hey, you know, Hunter Biden seems to say in these text messages that he could do whatever he can get you to do whatever he wants to do.

00:05:22.000 What do you mean by that?

00:05:23.000 I'd actually be super curious to hear his response.

00:05:26.000 And I think you guys are handling it in the correct steps and the right sequence.

00:05:31.000 I also want to ask about Weiss.

00:05:34.000 Do you think, now, did he lie or was he hamstrung in the Hunter probe?

00:05:38.000 We don't know, but it can be both ways.

00:05:40.000 It can't be hands-off.

00:05:41.000 He can do what he wants, according to the Attorney General.

00:05:43.000 And then Weiss tell the people doing the investigation at the IRS and the Justice Department that, oh, I can't do certain things.

00:05:50.000 I'm not making the final decisions.

00:05:52.000 And I was denied special counsel status when he sought that.

00:05:55.000 So it can't be both.

00:05:57.000 So we got some people we need to talk to.

00:05:59.000 I also think we need to talk to, in addition to Mr. Weiss, we need to talk to Leslie Wolf, the assistant U.S. Attorney there in Delaware, because again, according to the whistleblower, she said that we're not going to, she stopped the search warrant.

00:06:12.000 She stopped any questions about Joe Biden were not allowed to be asked when they were interviewing other witnesses and other people part of this tax issue.

00:06:22.000 And she even said you can't use the term the big guy.

00:06:24.000 You can't ask about the big guy.

00:06:26.000 So why were those limitations put on the investigators who said that this was completely out of the norm, that this thing was slow walk and all kinds of things that were done differently than anyone else?

00:06:36.000 And that's always the fundamental problem.

00:06:39.000 Charlie, 60% of the country believe that there is a double standard at the Justice Department.

00:06:45.000 And they believe that because there is.

00:06:47.000 And that has got to change.

00:06:50.000 That is not how this great country is supposed to operate.

00:06:52.000 And once again, according to these whistleblowers, Mr. Shapley and the other one who's remained anonymous, they're talking about this double standard that they see at the Justice Department.

00:07:02.000 So, I mean, the question I think a lot of people have is then, will this be deemed or described as political?

00:07:12.000 And so are we worried that going into 2024, it's going to be labeled that way?

00:07:17.000 And is there a timeline that, you know, as you're in charge of judiciary that you're operating on?

00:07:24.000 Because as we go from the summer into the fall, you know, certain priorities start to come and go.

00:07:29.000 But I also want to make sure I mention this, Congressman, before I ask about the timeline, is I want to compliment you and the House.

00:07:35.000 You guys have been able to get this done in six months.

00:07:38.000 And so, Congressman, being around previous House majorities and this one, what is the difference?

00:07:44.000 How have you been able to get these otherwise encrypted text messages, get the FBI to cooperate, where in previous Congress sessions, it seems like Republicans were afraid to issue subpoenas or even contempt hearings?

00:07:57.000 How are you able to achieve such results so quickly in oversight?

00:08:03.000 I think it's two things.

00:08:04.000 Yeah, I think it's a couple things, Charlie.

00:08:06.000 You know, one, you know, Representative Comer and Chairman Comer, Chairman Smith of the respective committees have done good work.

00:08:14.000 But I also think, in addition to just the hard work, I mean, we're doing five, six depositions every week on a host of things from the weaponization of government on censorship and all these various agencies.

00:08:24.000 It just, it's every week.

00:08:26.000 They're just, they just transcribed interviews is what we call them, but they're depositions every stinking week, and we just continue to plow ahead.

00:08:31.000 That's how we found out about what's going on with FTC and the IRS and all this and Justice Department, Department of Homeland Security.

00:08:39.000 So you just do the work.

00:08:40.000 That's our job.

00:08:42.000 Second, I do think the fact that when we were in the minority last Congress, a number started coming to us, and we talked about that.

00:08:51.000 If you have something that needs to get to Congress, come tell us.

00:08:54.000 We will work with you.

00:08:56.000 Our lawyers on our committee staff are the best at this.

00:08:59.000 And so we've had a number of whistleblowers come forward.

00:09:01.000 And I think that carried over into this session.

00:09:04.000 It's why you saw Mr. Shapley and Mr. X, the anonymous whistleblower, come forward and talk with Congress.

00:09:10.000 So I think laying that groundwork, we had dozens come forward in the last couple of years talking about what was going on in these federal agencies.

00:09:18.000 I think that just coupled with good old-fashioned hard work on behalf of the staff and the committee members on oversight, ways and means, and I think judiciary as well.

00:09:27.000 Congressman, I want you to keep fighting hard.

00:09:29.000 And I know that it's going to be a pretty consequential summer.

00:09:31.000 I personally think it's time to proceed with impeachment of definitely Merrick Garland and probably Joe Biden.

00:09:37.000 I know it's going to fall deaf in the Senate.

00:09:38.000 These allegations are serious, though.

00:09:41.000 And you have to put them through, you have to put them in the public eye.

00:09:46.000 And if they were willing to use impeachment over a phone call with Donald Trump, yeah, selling out America for millions of dollars from our enemies, that probably is worth impeachment.

00:09:55.000 Congressman Jim Jordan, thank you so much and keep the pressure on.

00:09:59.000 Thanks so much.

00:10:00.000 Keep you, Charlie.

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00:11:07.000 We are actually living through what we now call queer quarter. 0.91

00:11:10.000 It's no longer just Pride Month.

00:11:12.000 We have a whole Pride season.

00:11:14.000 It just basically goes from May to September.

00:11:17.000 They'll just make it the whole year.

00:11:20.000 I was walking in a town recently, and again, you feel like it's conquered territory every 10 feet is a pride flag.

00:11:27.000 And someone I was with asked an interesting question.

00:11:29.000 They said, why does it look different this year?

00:11:31.000 What is with the triangle and the pink and the thing?

00:11:34.000 I said, ah, what do you think that is?

00:11:36.000 They said, well, I don't know.

00:11:38.000 And again, this person was very traditional in their values, but they always, oh, I want to live and let live.

00:11:46.000 And it was too much for them, all these flags.

00:11:47.000 I said, that's the new transgender, transgender intersectional.

00:11:51.000 It's the IQA.

00:11:53.000 They will not stop changing the flag.

00:11:56.000 They will not stop adding other little alleged victim groups.

00:11:59.000 And they certainly will not stop trying to conquer more in more time.

00:12:04.000 I think most decent Americans, like you in the audience, like, okay, a couple days.

00:12:08.000 We get one day for July 4th, but we get a whole month for people's sexual preferences.

00:12:16.000 Really strange.

00:12:17.000 But it's fine.

00:12:18.000 But no, no, no.

00:12:19.000 Now it's according to Levine, who is the rear admiral, whatever. of the Biden regime, says, let's declare it the whole summer of pride.

00:12:30.000 Why not?

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00:12:32.000 Hello, my name is Admiral Rachel Levine, and I have the honor of being the Assistant Secretary for Health at the United States Department of Health and Human Services.

00:12:42.000 Happy Pride.

00:12:43.000 Happy Pride Month.

00:12:44.000 And actually, let's declare it a summer of pride.

00:12:47.000 Happy summer of pride.

00:12:49.000 Let's declare it a summer of pride.

00:12:52.000 These are people that are in the top levels of our government.

00:12:55.000 This last weekend seemed to kind of be a crescendo of parades in Chicago and New York.

00:13:01.000 It's widespread.

00:13:03.000 It's just the outright degeneracy.

00:13:07.000 San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Los Angeles.

00:13:13.000 It is beyond indefensible.

00:13:17.000 But there you have Chuck Hugh Schumer and J.B. Pritzker and Mayor Eric Adams and many others just celebrating alongside.

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00:13:29.000 Eric Adams, you have this pathetic picture. 1.00

00:13:34.000 Eric Adams, New York City mayor with the trans flag and the gay flag. 0.99

00:13:41.000 I don't know if he agrees with it or not, but he is behaving in a certain way for a reason.

00:13:48.000 Why would Eric Adams all of a sudden pander to the gay lobby? 0.93

00:13:54.000 Because he fears them. 0.99

00:13:56.000 And this is what is very important to understand, is that the LGBTQ mafia, the LGBTQ cartel, they are vicious. 1.00

00:14:11.000 And so politicians like Chuck Hugh Schumer and J.B. Pritzker, they will do anything against Christians because Christians are very decent people.

00:14:19.000 They'll call your church non-essential.

00:14:22.000 They'll lock you down.

00:14:24.000 They'll say that any one of these things. 0.99

00:14:27.000 But they know how nasty the gay mafia is and they do not want to cross that line. 1.00

00:14:32.000 They certainly do not want to upset the trans world. 0.98

00:14:35.000 So they give them whatever they want, whole month and parade and special privileges.

00:14:40.000 Remember when the San Francisco gay men's choir took down the Will Convert Your Children video, Google just clamped down. 0.96

00:14:48.000 When the gay mob strikes, they strike with a vengeance. 1.00

00:14:53.000 And these Democrat politicians, you say, what are they thinking? 0.99

00:14:56.000 They're afraid.

00:14:57.000 They're held hostage by these people.

00:15:00.000 Put this picture up here.

00:15:02.000 If there was a picture that best explains the times that we're in, it's the Starbucks strike because a bunch of queers from Starbucks are striking. 1.00

00:15:10.000 They call themselves queers. 1.00

00:15:11.000 I'm not pejoratively calling them that.

00:15:13.000 Not that I care, but I'm just being for the record.

00:15:16.000 And so it's this queer with a poster, and it best summarizes what we're living through. 0.95

00:15:22.000 Her sign or his sign or whatever, its sign.

00:15:26.000 You see, that's the problem with the pronoun.

00:15:27.000 What you don't know, then you immediately go to it, which is inherently dehumanizing.

00:15:31.000 I hate the whole thing. 1.00

00:15:31.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

00:15:33.000 Okay. 1.00

00:15:34.000 The sign says, I'm gay, pay me. 0.92

00:15:39.000 That is modernity. 0.98

00:15:41.000 I'm gay, so give me money.

00:15:44.000 It really makes you wonder, what is the real goal here for some of these people? 0.96

00:15:48.000 These are a lot of these people have undiagnosed mental problems.

00:15:51.000 We know that. 0.98

00:15:52.000 You don't walk into a street that says, I'm gay, pay me.

00:15:56.000 I mean, we already know that's basically the new slogan of the U.S. Navy, right? 0.97

00:15:59.000 I'm gay, pay me. 0.91

00:16:00.000 We do gay poems on battleships, gay hymns.

00:16:04.000 So if you just have a picture of what is the motivating force.

00:16:10.000 Yeah, it's the slogan of the Department of Defense. 0.92

00:16:13.000 I'm gay, pay me. 0.86

00:16:15.000 That's what protesters have signs of now. 0.83

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00:17:55.000 Joining us now is Congressman Chip Roy.

00:17:59.000 Several topics I want to cover with him.

00:18:01.000 Congressman, thank you for joining the program.

00:18:03.000 I want your take on the Wagner-Russian Putin drama, especially in the light of the new resolution that you introduced to try to get us out of these silly and endless wars. 0.77

00:18:14.000 Congressman Chip Roy, the floor is yours.

00:18:16.000 Well, Charlie, first of all, thank you.

00:18:17.000 I hope my signal is okay.

00:18:18.000 I'm in Eagle Pass, Texas.

00:18:20.000 More about that in a minute.

00:18:21.000 But yeah, thanks for that question.

00:18:22.000 You know, last week I joined with a few of my colleagues, including Senator Rand Paul in the Senate and Warren Davidson in the House of Representatives, for example, to introduce legislation that says, you know, look, guys, you know, if Article 5 is going to be invoked for NATO, which for your listeners, right, that's the provision, our NATO agreement, saying that, you know, if they're under attack or, you know, if they're facing threat, that we are obliged to get in and support in some form or fashion.

00:18:48.000 We wanted to remind them that Article 5 comes with an obligation to follow American law and American constitutional authority.

00:18:55.000 So you got to vote on it.

00:18:57.000 You can't just go to war because something's going on in Europe.

00:19:00.000 So we wanted to reinforce that.

00:19:02.000 Obviously, what we're seeing on fold in Russia, it kind of just begs the question of what we're getting ourselves mired into.

00:19:10.000 I don't have the latest today because I'm literally off the grid down along the Rio Grande.

00:19:15.000 But, you know, we're seeing, like, there's more of the same out of Russia.

00:19:19.000 And everybody just thinks suddenly one day we're going to wake up and it's going to be all peachy and roses.

00:19:23.000 And, you know, oh, yeah, now we're going to have a liberal democracy spring forth.

00:19:27.000 Look, the fact is we just got to do our job, focus on America first.

00:19:32.000 I think former President Trump had that right.

00:19:35.000 And make sure that we're exerting force around the globe, but peace through strength, right?

00:19:40.000 Sparingly use military, peace through strength.

00:19:44.000 Well, yeah, how about we bring some representative government principles to our country?

00:19:48.000 I mean, Congressman, I laugh because you have Lindsey Graham and some of your colleagues in the Senate.

00:19:53.000 Talk about how awful Russia is because Russia is imprisoning their political opponents and that how it's a threat to the Western order.

00:20:02.000 I say, wait a second, we're acting more like Russia recently than not.

00:20:07.000 And I'm not saying that we're as bad as Russia or any of that overly simplified DC double talk garbage, but we're not exactly a shining city on the hill right now for how our justice system is being used.

00:20:18.000 So, Congressman, when you talk to your colleagues about what's happening in Ukraine, what do they tell you success looks like?

00:20:25.000 This is something I really can't draw out.

00:20:27.000 When we have guests on the program, I get double talk and dodging and really innuendo.

00:20:33.000 What is the Republican, and you obviously stand on the rational and prudent side, but what is the majority Republican belief?

00:20:41.000 When you talk privately, what do they think is the best case scenario right now in Ukraine?

00:20:47.000 Well, first of all, let me just take a few seconds to reinforce what you said about, you know, these guys want us to go around flexing our muscle around the globe, you know, challenging these authoritarian states when our own country is acting as an authoritarian state against its own people.

00:21:03.000 Well, the government weaponized against it, whether it's the IRS or the FBI.

00:21:07.000 Now we're seeing what's been happening with the two-tier system with Hunter Biden.

00:21:10.000 You know, get in all the details there.

00:21:12.000 You'll cover that, no doubt.

00:21:13.000 But that's the reality.

00:21:14.000 You're right.

00:21:15.000 And so what do I hear from my Republican colleagues?

00:21:17.000 Just more of the same gobbledygook.

00:21:19.000 It's like they pretend it's 1985 and they go out saying, oh, well, we just have to stand against Putin, Putin bad.

00:21:26.000 And you're going, okay, I agree.

00:21:28.000 Putin bad.

00:21:29.000 But there's a lot of bad.

00:21:30.000 The question here is what's in our strategic interest.

00:21:34.000 What's in our national security interest to make our country safer and stronger?

00:21:38.000 And at the end of the day, what's really happening, Charlie, and it's the same thing with the debt deal, the same thing with the appropriations process.

00:21:46.000 The defense hawks want to just keep their whole machine going in Washington, spending more money in the name of defense, using that as an excuse to mortgage our future, undermining our very physical strength, and empowering bureaucrats that are empowering the very authoritarian state that we say we want to go try to go around the world policing.

00:22:04.000 We can't do that.

00:22:05.000 Again, there's a third way.

00:22:07.000 You don't have to be isolationist and you don't have to be a warmonger.

00:22:10.000 You can actually believe in peace through strength, exerting your force through having a strong military, but sparingly used, and making sure that you're backing that up with, for example, in Ukraine, we should have a strong independent American energy policy that strengthens our hand rather than weakening our hand.

00:22:29.000 Yeah, I just, the more I learn about how the intel networks work and the more I learn about how we are fed false narratives, I really wonder why we fall into this line of thinking, why we need so many military bases in every corner.

00:22:44.000 We know that the government, the regime, operates on fear, and they used fear with COVID.

00:22:52.000 They use fear with all sorts of different things.

00:22:55.000 They obviously will as well.

00:22:57.000 So I want to play this piece of tape here, Congress, and get your reaction.

00:22:59.000 Lindsey Graham basically saying that Ukraine needs to be part of NATO.

00:23:02.000 That's effectively what he's saying here, PlayCut 16.

00:23:05.000 We're introducing a resolution today, since the Senate resolution that says that if Russia or Belarus or proxy of Russia explodes a nuclear device inside of Ukraine to stop the counteroffensive or to try to break the will of the Ukrainian people, such an attack should be considered an attack on NATO itself.

00:23:32.000 Congressman, this is extraordinary language from a U.S. Senator.

00:23:35.000 Your reaction.

00:23:36.000 Well, these are effectively kind of dueling resolutions.

00:23:40.000 In fact, I believe we dropped those or introduced, as we say, those bills on the same day.

00:23:46.000 And the fact is, this is precisely the problem.

00:23:50.000 You have members in Congress, you have senators who are itching to raise this up to effectively the status of war, war on the United States.

00:24:01.000 And we believe, and my colleagues that introduced this resolution with me, we believe that it's important to state the opposite, frankly, that we have an obligation to make a decision at every turn whether or not something is in our national security interest and rises to the level of engagement of military force for our national security interests under our constitution.

00:24:23.000 The declaration of war is supposed to mean something.

00:24:26.000 Charlie, it's also one of the reasons why I've introduced, you know, our ability to end the authorization of the use of the military force in Iraq.

00:24:34.000 Because last time I checked, Saddam Hussein's been dead for, I don't know, 15 plus years.

00:24:38.000 Like, you know, we don't need to be operating under a 20-year-old authorization of the use of military force so the defense complex can have some more friggin toys.

00:24:46.000 Like it's being used for all manners of sin, creating our government to be making our government bigger, more powerful, more authoritarian, undermining our freedom while go around to try to place world police.

00:24:58.000 I believe in having a strong deterrent military.

00:25:02.000 I suspect you do as well.

00:25:04.000 But you should not be willy-nilly engaging around the world while you are having, frankly, our own fires in our own backyard.

00:25:11.000 I was just sitting at the Rio Grande.

00:25:13.000 We're right across the river.

00:25:15.000 Cartels are acting with impunity, killing thousands of Americans with fentanyl.

00:25:21.000 Yeah, so Congressman, this is what just drives me nuts is, I mean, we talk, we have Lindsey Graham and all these war hawks that want hundreds of billions of dollars more to be spent.

00:25:31.000 Congressman, why don't we use our own military on the southern border before we care about Ukraine's border?

00:25:38.000 Where does that ridiculous approach come from? 0.68

00:25:43.000 It's anti-American. 0.98

00:25:44.000 It's globalist.

00:25:45.000 Where does that come from, Congressman?

00:25:47.000 Well, look, I mean, to the border question, we should, right?

00:25:51.000 We should recognize the cartels or the equivalent of terrorist organizations or certainly, you know, criminal organizations, transnational criminal organizations.

00:26:02.000 We should take them out.

00:26:03.000 We should authorize military force.

00:26:05.000 As Governor DeSantis said on the border just a little about an hour ago, he said, look, if somebody's cutting the fence down, that's like them breaking into your house.

00:26:12.000 And you're allowed to use force to push back on someone breaking into your house.

00:26:17.000 It ought to be the same if they're trying to break into your country, especially when their cartels, you know, cutting fence with blowtorches or whatever they're cutting them with and bringing in backpacks of fentanyl.

00:26:29.000 Meanwhile, as you said, Lindsey Graham, as you said, the Warhawks in Washington, they've never met a conflict they didn't want to get us involved in.

00:26:36.000 They've never met some.

00:26:38.000 And look, I really do believe that is a part of an overall, both cultural and worse, sinister kind of cabal, if you will, in D.C., where everybody there is just basically built around, hey, let's just go get more money or more contracts to get more defense built up.

00:26:59.000 And all of that is not tethered to a strategic plan to make our country safer.

00:27:05.000 I could probably sign on to some more defense spending if it was built around a strategic goal of standing athwart China, sparingly using our military and really strong diplomacy where we are creating a massive amount of American energy.

00:27:19.000 But instead, we're seeding all that ground while we then go try to meddle in more foreign engagements, which frankly, I bet more Ukrainians are dead than might have been had we not been throwing $113 billion in a blank check to Ukraine. 0.61

00:27:35.000 I mean, I couldn't agree more.

00:27:36.000 I mean, this is just this perspective that is dominant in Washington, D.C.

00:27:40.000 It's a hangover from the Cold War in 9-11.

00:27:43.000 It doesn't make us safer.

00:27:45.000 We are a big country.

00:27:46.000 It would be nice if our military started with the immediate, defend the homeland.

00:27:50.000 And they say, oh, we are.

00:27:51.000 No, you're not.

00:27:52.000 There's 10,000 people breaking into the homeland every single day. 0.99

00:27:55.000 It is the Department of Invading Other Countries and Colonizing Them to believe in LGBTQ crap. 0.99

00:28:01.000 Congressman Chip Roy, thanks for the time. 0.98

00:28:02.000 Appreciate it.

00:28:04.000 God bless.

00:28:04.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:28:07.000 If I had to rank an issue that is of the most importance, but the hardest for me to convince older conservatives of it is this issue of perpetual warmongering.

00:28:21.000 There is this belief dating back to the 1980s, and Ronald Reagan is to blame for part of this, that we must have this overly bloated military at all times, and that the world is a petri dish where we get to select what leaders are in place, and that what happens in America is not as important as what happens internationally.

00:28:43.000 Now, that's always been a bad idea, but you don't feel the effects of international nation building or international saber rattling until your own country starts to simultaneously fall apart, when you start to send away our industry and you keep the border completely wide open.

00:29:01.000 War hawks in Congress, in both parties, by the way, from Chuck Schumer to Lindsey Graham, they've never seen a foreign conflict that they didn't want to get involved in.

00:29:12.000 And they always use emotional arguments.

00:29:15.000 Always.

00:29:16.000 It's hysteria.

00:29:18.000 It's panic.

00:29:19.000 It's not prudence or wisdom.

00:29:21.000 And I've debated these people for multiple years.

00:29:24.000 It's this rush into the immediate gut reaction of, well, the whole world is going to end.

00:29:31.000 If we don't do that, every nation is going to fall if we don't do that.

00:29:35.000 And they use the same sort of examples, which are quite honestly not applicable to today.

00:29:40.000 The example they use is, well, you're a Neville Chamberlain type.

00:29:43.000 That's what they'll always say.

00:29:45.000 That is their one-liner.

00:29:46.000 It's this ode back to a very specific period of time that is not applicable at all.

00:29:52.000 A lot of this is post-Vietnam reaction.

00:29:55.000 Liberals attacked the military, tore it down, hated it, and want to give it to the USSR.

00:30:00.000 We push back on that, and I'm glad we did.

00:30:02.000 But we haven't adjusted to the fact that the USSR fell 30 years ago.

00:30:06.000 And importantly, we've confused authentic strength domestically and pretending to be strong by starting dumb fights.

00:30:15.000 We don't prove we're strong when we enter wars.

00:30:18.000 We deplete our strength.

00:30:20.000 And if I were to just communicate directly to the audience of people that are 50 ages, 50 years or older, this is not a popular position.

00:30:33.000 You could even hear it a little bit in what Congressman Chip Roy was saying, and he was excellent on it.

00:30:37.000 He's like, well, Charlie, again, I want a strong military.

00:30:40.000 He has to say that, or else he's just going to get criticized as if he wants to gut our military.

00:30:45.000 Our military's budget is $800 billion a year.

00:30:50.000 They can't even be convinced to use some of that on our own southern border when we desperately need it.

00:30:56.000 When we look back on the last 30 years of this experiment of invade the world, invite the world, is there a war where you look back and you say, well, that was a great idea.

00:31:07.000 Maybe the Persian Gulf War. 0.82

00:31:09.000 And the Persian Gulf War, there's a really interesting conspiracy theory around the Persian Gulf War that it was like a made-for-television event.

00:31:17.000 That yes, people died, but it was largely produced by CNN.

00:31:21.000 Really good book.

00:31:22.000 Super interesting, not for right now.

00:31:25.000 But Somalia, was that a big success?

00:31:26.000 Blackhawk down?

00:31:27.000 No.

00:31:28.000 Afghanistan, huge failure. 1.00

00:31:30.000 Iraq, no way. 1.00

00:31:33.000 Libya?

00:31:34.000 Nope.

00:31:35.000 Ukraine, not going well at all.

00:31:38.000 The question is: who are you first obligated to?

00:31:41.000 Are you first loyal and obligated to your home nation, your actual country, or a country 5,000 miles away?

00:31:51.000 If we actually want a strong military, here's an idea.

00:31:54.000 Demand that our military stop doing tranny surgeries.

00:31:57.000 Demand that we promote based on merit instead of skin color.

00:32:00.000 Demand that we abolish our useless diversity bureaucracy and demand that our troops be in good physical shape. 0.97

00:32:08.000 Urban blight, life expectancy rates dropping, massive amounts of debt piling up, our national unity all at an all-time low, and the overall health of our people is lower, not higher, and our southern border is completely wide open.

00:32:20.000 Can we say that this international warmongering has been good for the American people?

00:32:25.000 The veterans that come back and commit suicide?

00:32:27.000 I think 23 veterans commit suicide daily in America.

00:32:30.000 It's 23 or 26 or something in the 20s.

00:32:34.000 The drug addiction, the PTSD.

00:32:37.000 Did our country get safer because of the decisions to go in Iraq and Afghanistan? 1.00

00:32:41.000 And I'm not diminishing the sacrifice, the courage, the heroism of the service members themselves.

00:32:45.000 I'm simply challenging the geopolitical decisions, and we're going to do it again because there is an insatiable appetite in D.C. for war.

00:32:54.000 And here's where you come in.

00:32:56.000 We as a conservative movement have to destroy the cancer of cold war foreign policy dogma that has dominated the Republican Party.

00:33:07.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:33:08.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:12.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 26, 2023

To Impeach or Not Impeach? with Reps. Jim Jordan and Chip Roy

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