The Charlie Kirk Show - June 10, 2020


Tom Fitton | Hillary Clinton Exposed, Obamagate, Voter Fraud, Illegals Getting Cash, and the Conspiracy to Remove President Trump from Office


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Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton joins Charlie on The Charlie Kirk Show to discuss the latest in the Hillary Clinton impeachment saga and why she should be subpoenaed to testify in front of the Supreme Court. Also, Judicial Watch provides an update from the Mothership of transparency on the ongoing case against Hillary Clinton.

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00:01:14.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:16.000 I am joined by an American hero, Tom Fitton, who is the president of Judicial Watch.
00:01:22.000 He has done more on the, let's just say, the righteous cause of transparency than anyone that I can think of in the country.
00:01:30.000 He has submitted unbelievable amounts of FOIA requests.
00:01:34.000 He has held the Clinton crime cartel accountable and is still pushing for transparency.
00:01:40.000 Tom Fitton, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:43.000 Hey, Charlie, good to be with you.
00:01:45.000 I really appreciate your leadership.
00:01:48.000 You know, it's good to see there's a rising generation of leaders coming up, not only through you, but with you, with the young people that you're helping train and activate.
00:01:58.000 Well, thank you so much, Tom.
00:02:00.000 So, Tom, give us an update from Judicial Watch.
00:02:02.000 You recently had the issue with the Clinton email.
00:02:07.000 There was something around there.
00:02:08.000 It's really kind of complicated.
00:02:10.000 Give us an update from the mothership of transparency, Judicial Watch.
00:02:15.000 Well, you know, we uncovered the Clinton email case, Clinton emails, way, way back in 2015.
00:02:22.000 And in many ways, this president's president because of the Clinton email scandal that we uncovered.
00:02:28.000 That was the consequence of it.
00:02:30.000 And, you know, one of the issues is they were messing with the courts.
00:02:34.000 They were telling the courts all the emails were uncovered.
00:02:36.000 We should shut it all down.
00:02:38.000 And obviously, that wasn't the case.
00:02:40.000 And one judge, Judge Royce Lamberth, in addition to Judge Sullivan, by the way, who already granted us discovery, Judge Lamberth wants us to have granted us additional discovery, including the testimony of Mrs. Clinton.
00:02:55.000 And that order came down, I think, in March.
00:02:59.000 And what did Mrs. Clinton do? 0.99
00:03:01.000 She ran to the appellate court with a writ of bandamus, which is an emergency court motion.
00:03:08.000 Well, that's what General Flynn has done to overturn Judge Sullivan's decision on attacking him.
00:03:13.000 But in this case, Mrs. Clinton has no really no good faith basis, in my view, to ask the court for this emergency relief. 0.85
00:03:22.000 She's essentially saying she's too important to testify. 0.97
00:03:24.000 I mean, you can just imagine all the smoke she's throwing up on this.
00:03:27.000 So we were in court last week arguing against Hillary Clinton's lawyers before a three-judge panel.
00:03:36.000 She's alleging she's too important to testify and what difference would it make, all the old arguments.
00:03:43.000 Of course, we're having to push back against judges who were hostile in part to our efforts to get accountability here.
00:03:53.000 But I'm always prepared for that.
00:03:56.000 What I don't really like is to have the Justice Department come round and say, Well, yeah, we didn't want Hillary Clinton to be deposed, but this emergency motion, it's really something that we don't agree with.
00:04:08.000 But on the other hand, we just wanted all this to be shut down and we just want to end it.
00:04:13.000 So we've got Hillary Clinton and the Justice Department providing zero help and, frankly, a lot of cover to Hillary Clinton. 1.00
00:04:20.000 And it's just Judicial Watch alone trying to get accountability here. 1.00
00:04:24.000 And maybe, maybe she'll, you know, if things all things were being equal, she'd be deposed. 0.76
00:04:33.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:04:33.000 But we'll see if she gets a carve-out from the law here like she's previously done. 1.00
00:04:38.000 But we'll see.
00:04:39.000 So this is such an important issue because it seems as if the rules are rigged for the few and the well-connected.
00:04:45.000 It seems as if if you are part of a specific ruling class, you're able to get away with things that regular citizens are not able to get away with.
00:04:54.000 So, Tom, can you take our listeners a little bit back in time about how Judicial Watch has been on the cutting edge of some of the most important discoveries with the Clintons, with FISA abuse?
00:05:06.000 Because the work you're doing at Judicial Watch, I don't see anyone else doing this.
00:05:10.000 I don't see anyone in traditional Republican politics fighting like you are.
00:05:15.000 Yeah, you know, although I am pleased to say, Charlie, I appreciate that, that the few members of Congress that have been doing anything saw that what Judicial Watch was able to get out of the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton.
00:05:28.000 And they saw once ObamaGate erupted, hey, we need to do more of this in terms of our independent investigation.
00:05:35.000 And, you know, we uncovered that they had the Clinton emails that they were hiding.
00:05:39.000 And then we found within them all the pay-to-play that was going on at the State Department, where she's getting all these shady foreign governments, corporations to pay the Clinton Foundation that were then leveraging for them insider status at the State Department, which is, of course, what Hillary Clinton said she wouldn't do, and arguably was illegal.
00:06:03.000 And of course, the Justice Department had zero interest under Obama in doing any investigation there.
00:06:07.000 President Trump wins, and then you kind of see the outlines of the Russia gate smears emerge.
00:06:13.000 You kind of saw it before the election because remember, they were leaking, the FBI was this information out there to try to undermine Trump.
00:06:21.000 And we knew immediately that this was a scheme, a scam, and a scheme.
00:06:26.000 And so we began the investigations, and it led to the disclosure of the FISA warrant applications.
00:06:34.000 It led to the disclosure of what Bruce Orr was up to, the top fusion GPS operative.
00:06:40.000 His wife was that, well, he basically was a fusion GPS operative because his wife was working for them.
00:06:45.000 And he was at the senior level of the Justice Department.
00:06:47.000 We have all these page struct materials that have come out.
00:06:51.000 Just two weeks ago, we received the opening document, allegedly, for the spy operation against President Trump, written by none other than Peter Strzzok.
00:07:00.000 And when you look at the document, you'll see it was even worse than the dossier in terms of having no basis to begin a spy operation against the presidential campaign.
00:07:10.000 And, you know, all of this has come out, and much of it came out before these IG reports came out, basically that are based on the documents we had already pushed before the American people.
00:07:22.000 And I'm convinced the Justice Department wouldn't be doing jack if it weren't for the disclosures that A. Devin Nunes had made, that Judicial Watch had made, and frankly, more recently, that Mr. Grinnell has made in his position at ODNI when he was there.
00:07:39.000 Well, and that's such an important history and backstory, Tom, because Judicial Watch has been on the cutting edge of giving conservatives the conviction to go after this deep state corruption against the president.
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00:09:14.000 And so, Tom, I get this question all the time, and there's so many topics I want to cover with you, but I want to go straight to the point.
00:09:20.000 Do you think that Durham is going to put forth charges against Lisa Page and Peter Strzzok or any of these individuals?
00:09:27.000 Lisa Page, who, by the way, is now an MSNBC contributor.
00:09:31.000 Do you think charges are coming, Tom?
00:09:32.000 Because I get this question more than any other question from our listeners.
00:09:36.000 Well, I wish I could tell you that I thought charges were coming, but I don't.
00:09:40.000 I just don't see the sort of investigative activity to suggest that senior-level officials will be charged.
00:09:46.000 Look, I mean, think of that FBI lawyer who altered the Carter Page CIA document to make it seem like he was working for the Russians when, in fact, he was working for the CIA.
00:09:58.000 That lawyer was referred to the Justice Department for prosecution back in November of last year.
00:10:04.000 I mean, it's kind of a dead, you know, they had him dead to rights.
00:10:07.000 Still, nothing's happened.
00:10:09.000 Comey and McCabe were referred for prosecution for lies and leaks targeting President Trump, in one case, targeting Hillary Clinton.
00:10:16.000 They wouldn't even prosecute them for that.
00:10:18.000 So the idea that senior-level officials are going to be prosecuted, I'm not seeing any evidence of it.
00:10:23.000 Everything that Barr has said has suggested that that won't take place.
00:10:27.000 But, you know, we can always hope.
00:10:28.000 And I tell you, it's certainly not going to happen if we don't know the full scale of the corruption.
00:10:34.000 My view is getting the transparency about what went on out there is may not be sufficient, but certainly is necessary to push the Justice Department to do what it needs to do.
00:10:47.000 But, you know, look, in many ways, it's too late.
00:10:50.000 It's too late.
00:10:51.000 I mean, they're going to, even if it were senior people under the gun here, they're going to come around, I suspect, and say it's in the middle of election year, so we can't do it.
00:11:00.000 It's really disappointing.
00:11:02.000 I agree with you, Tom.
00:11:03.000 I have a more kind of big picture approach.
00:11:05.000 I don't think we have a justice department or justice system, I should say, in our country anymore.
00:11:10.000 I'm so beyond cynical that we actually are going to start to see James Comey and Andrew McCabe and Lisa Page and Peter Strzok be held accountable.
00:11:17.000 And a lot of people are holding out hope and they say, well, you know, Attorney General Barr seems like he's really going after it.
00:11:24.000 I think the bar has been great on a lot of things, but I do not.
00:11:27.000 I'm not holding my breath for convictions to come down.
00:11:30.000 I think there might be some slaps on the wrist for some, let's just say, sacrificial lambs along the way.
00:11:36.000 I think they might find some people that are not in that kind of intelligentsia community on the far left that are in the protected ruling class.
00:11:44.000 And people have to realize right now we do not have a justice system.
00:11:48.000 Have what I call anarcho-tyranny, which is the left is able to use the multitude of laws that we have towards their political opponents as they see fit.
00:11:57.000 Speaking of which, Tom, you have been on the cutting edge on this Flynn scandal.
00:12:02.000 Can you give our listeners just an update of where things stand with Judge Sullivan and also your personal involvement of how you were calling the shots early on Lieutenant General Michael Flynn and how it was law entrapment, not law enforcement?
00:12:15.000 Well, that's exactly right.
00:12:17.000 And so the news is that he'll be, he'll finally get it, I should say, he'll get a substantial day in court on Friday, I think the scheduled hearing is, over his appeal, his writ of mandamus against Judge Sullivan.
00:12:30.000 So that panel will hear all argument this Friday.
00:12:34.000 And your listeners and viewers will be able to watch or at least listen to it, I believe, online, which is kind of unusual for an appellate court because the coronavirus, they're meeting via teleconference.
00:12:48.000 So it will be widely available.
00:12:51.000 This is what happened.
00:12:53.000 Flynn knew what the Obama administration was about, knew about the corruption in the intelligence agencies.
00:13:00.000 For instance, Judicial Watch had obtained, I think this is maybe one of our most important finds ever.
00:13:06.000 NSA material, National Security Administration material, I believe it was the agency, that showed that the Obama administration knew that weapons were going out to the jihadist side of Benghazi, and they knew the plan in terms of the emergence of ISIS and the support that we were providing to terrorists opposing Assad at the time.
00:13:31.000 So he knew Benghazi's role there.
00:13:33.000 And, you know, that's one of the reasons my view is they targeted him.
00:13:38.000 And they knew, now we know more recently, the Trump Obama administration knew that there was no basis to target Flynn.
00:13:46.000 They concluded there was no viable case.
00:13:48.000 But the next day, Obama and Comey met about Flynn.
00:13:52.000 And who's the testimony that I'm relying on?
00:13:55.000 Sally Yates.
00:13:56.000 Sally Yates was surprised how much about Obama knew.
00:14:00.000 We now know that his chief of staff unmasked him that day, Obama's chief of staff. 0.91
00:14:05.000 And Yates is saying, in retrospect, it made sense about this Logan Act crap.
00:14:11.000 Of course, she was pushing it too, because she didn't understand why Obama was talking about it.
00:14:17.000 And then, sure enough, a few weeks later, Obama's minion, Comey, ambushes Flynn in that really outrageous interview in the White House, avoiding all the rules to get that ambush interview done.
00:14:31.000 And so Obama was targeting Flynn specifically.
00:14:35.000 And of course, when you're targeting the National Security Advisor of the President of the United States, when you're spying on the incoming National Security Advisor of the President of the United States, President Trump, you're attacking the president.
00:14:46.000 This was an assault on the president's ability to conduct foreign affairs.
00:14:51.000 And to me, that's the reason he should be pardoned.
00:14:53.000 He needs to protect his presidency.
00:14:55.000 I understand the law, the criminal case may play out in a way that exonerates Flynn in some ways, but I think they're going to come back after him.
00:15:03.000 He should just pardon him because it was an assault on President Trump and the Constitution as much as it was an attack on Flynn.
00:15:12.000 This is just a terrible situation.
00:15:14.000 And, you know, they talk about reforming the police and defunding the police.
00:15:18.000 The police agency I'm concerned about in terms of corruption has been in your face for years is the FBI.
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00:16:30.000 And it's been that way for quite some time.
00:16:32.000 The FBI has been the preferred enforcement agency of the ruling class, and they use the ultimate authority to spy on citizens to go into people's lives.
00:16:43.000 Show me the man, I'll show you the crime, basically, is how the FBI can operate.
00:16:47.000 And exactly right.
00:16:49.000 And people need to recognize, and I don't say this as a cynic because I'm not inherently cynical.
00:16:53.000 I'm not.
00:16:54.000 I'm not built that way, but I have no faith in our justice system at all.
00:16:58.000 I don't.
00:16:59.000 When I see people like Hillary Clinton, who destroyed emails, who lie under oath, be able to continue to waltz around the globe and sell out our country for cash from our enemies, when I see people like Peter Strzok and Lisa Page and Andrew McCabe and Samantha Powers do what they did and with no justice to come after them, it really makes me unsettled about where our justice system is.
00:17:21.000 And Lady Justice is supposed to be blind, and Lady Justice is anything but blind.
00:17:26.000 Right now, you have a system that is so out of whack and out of balance.
00:17:30.000 And the other example I want to talk about, and I support a full pardon for him, is Roger Stone.
00:17:34.000 Now, I don't get into the specifics of whether Roger did what he was prosecuted and convicted of.
00:17:40.000 I actually think that is a separate issue.
00:17:43.000 Instead, the trial that he was given was unfair.
00:17:46.000 It was a rigged trial with the jury four woman who actually ran for office as an anti-Trump activist.
00:17:54.000 Can you fill our listeners in a little bit about any of your transparency efforts around Roger Stone or how you stand around the conviction of Roger?
00:18:01.000 Well, I mean, one of the easiest things we've been asking questions about, but we couldn't get any straight answers from the Justice Department on is that outrageous raid on Stone that CNN coincidentally happened to be there to film.
00:18:16.000 How was that leaked out?
00:18:18.000 If that doesn't give you an indication that this was a political targeting, look, you know, this is not, as you're implying, this doesn't mean that the people targeted are, quote, innocent.
00:18:28.000 I'm not saying that.
00:18:29.000 But it does mean that you can't trust the basis for the targeting or that the decision-making was free from political corruption.
00:18:39.000 And given the fact that the Justice Department and the FBI clearly were targeting these people not to enforce the rule of law, but to, again, attack the president of the United States, the president should step in and pardon them all.
00:18:53.000 You know, you go back to George H.W. Bush.
00:18:55.000 It's probably a little bit before your time, Charlie.
00:18:58.000 He pardoned, I think, six individuals who were targeted by another independent counsel at the time, Lawrence Walsh.
00:19:05.000 I think he was, Walsh was indicting people just a few weeks before Trump, President Bush's election or reelection.
00:19:13.000 Talk about interference in an election campaign.
00:19:15.000 And he said, you know what?
00:19:16.000 I'm pardoning all these people.
00:19:18.000 We all know they were coming after me and they're using these people to get after me and I'm pardoning them.
00:19:24.000 And I think that's the approach President Trump should take.
00:19:26.000 And look, the Justice Department and the FBI can't be trusted to pursue political cases.
00:19:33.000 I mean, you're seeing that now.
00:19:35.000 It doesn't mean that Barr's a bad guy.
00:19:36.000 Just means systematically the institution is full of left-wing partisans who abuse the powers entrusted to them by the American people to target their political enemies.
00:19:46.000 And even in apolitical cases, you wonder what the priorities are. 0.98
00:19:50.000 Look at all these poor saps who've been caught up in this college admissions scandal.
00:19:54.000 Do you feel safer, Charlie, that we spend all these resources to put those terrible people behind bars?
00:20:00.000 While, as you point out, we've got the worst spying scandal in American history, and not one person has even been brought before a grand jury, as best we can tell.
00:20:11.000 Who's running the Justice Department?
00:20:13.000 I'll tell you who's working for the ride, just trying to kind of ride the tiger.
00:20:18.000 I tell you, the president maybe I would appoint a separate special counsel that utilizes resources apart from the Justice Department and the FBI to investigate those and other agencies because it ain't working to date, as far as I can tell.
00:20:32.000 And Tom, I'll tell you who's running the Justice Department.
00:20:34.000 Hyper-educated Ivy League radicals that have been taught to hate our country and use the instruments of power to basically create the America that they want, which is one that is basically enshrines the intelligentsia ruling class, that destroys people like you and me, that destroys our value system.
00:20:53.000 And people have to recognize that we believe in limited government because we know that if human beings are given that sort of authority, they are going to abuse that power.
00:21:04.000 And that's why we have cross-examination of witnesses.
00:21:06.000 That's why we have due process.
00:21:08.000 But even with that, they are able to abuse the jury selection process.
00:21:11.000 They're able to abuse the process of getting a fair and impartial hearing.
00:21:16.000 A judge like Judge Sullivan, you know, judges wear black because they're supposed to be, and you would know this, the imagery is supposed to be something that is somber and not anything impartial.
00:21:27.000 It's supposed to be a blind type.
00:21:30.000 I'm here to give a fair hearing to the individuals within my courtroom.
00:21:34.000 And yet, Judge Sullivan is now acting as if he's a prosecutor, anything but impartial.
00:21:39.000 I mean, we have never seen anything like this in recent history.
00:21:43.000 And it makes me very troubled, especially for where we are headed to as a republic, because this is stuff that is closer to banana republic stuff, not a constitutional republic.
00:21:54.000 You know, and when you tie it all together, and I just, I just happen to have a book coming out in a few months.
00:21:59.000 I don't think we've officially announced it, but the title is Assault on the Republic.
00:22:04.000 I mean, that's what this is about.
00:22:06.000 I mean, you see it with the attack on President Trump, the coup, impeachment attack, the Mueller investigation.
00:22:12.000 You see it with the attack on our sovereignty, the refusal to even to oppose the opposition to the very notions of borders.
00:22:22.000 And then you have the assault on our election system by the left.
00:22:26.000 You know, and when you've got these bureaucrats deciding who should or should not be president, that's not just an attack on conservatives.
00:22:34.000 It's not just an attack on Republicans.
00:22:36.000 I know Trump is the immediate target here, but it's an attack on every American who thinks they ought to have a say who runs the country.
00:22:46.000 We don't give them the right to do that.
00:22:48.000 And when they take that right, they're acting as coup plotters and coopsters, as I call them.
00:22:54.000 And I tell you, we can't do enough to expose and prosecute them.
00:22:58.000 And, you know, we can name the two or three people who have been fired because of this.
00:23:04.000 And, you know, Barr is, it's June, Charlie.
00:23:08.000 It's June.
00:23:11.000 Still nothing's been done.
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00:24:10.000 So you talk about election interference, Tom.
00:24:12.000 You have been on the cutting edge of exposing questionable voter, let's just say voting practices across the country, trying to unearth voting fraud.
00:24:20.000 Is voting fraud real?
00:24:21.000 Is voter fraud real?
00:24:22.000 Is there a problem with some of how the way these states are doing voter registration?
00:24:26.000 And what have you found at Judicial Watch?
00:24:28.000 Well, voter fraud is very real.
00:24:31.000 It's repeatedly uncovered in prosecutions and cases throughout the country.
00:24:37.000 But more importantly, do we have a system in place that protects against voter fraud?
00:24:43.000 There's always going to be voter fraud.
00:24:45.000 You know, I testified to Congress last week and we made the point: you know what?
00:24:49.000 People cheat all the time.
00:24:51.000 They cheat in sumo wrestling.
00:24:54.000 You cheat in video games.
00:24:56.000 People even cheat against themselves in solitaire.
00:24:59.000 I mean, they can't even, you know, they can't even, no one's looking.
00:25:02.000 It doesn't matter.
00:25:03.000 You cheat.
00:25:04.000 And the idea that people don't cheat in elections is absurd.
00:25:07.000 And of course, they're setting up a system to allow cheating to take place more easily.
00:25:12.000 And the law is that you don't need to prove voter fraud in order to have a system in place to curtail it.
00:25:23.000 Because it's important that people have confidence that the elections are freely and fairly administered.
00:25:29.000 And when you don't have that confidence, that suppresses the vote, Charlie.
00:25:33.000 That means people won't vote because they think their vote won't be counted.
00:25:36.000 So increasing voter ID, securing elections, encouraging people to vote in person in a secure location as opposed to this mail-in ballot scheme that induces it will increase the opportunities for fraud and intimidation.
00:25:53.000 That's what's at issue here.
00:25:54.000 And I'm sorry.
00:25:55.000 I was testifying last week.
00:25:57.000 Stacey Abrams was on the panel of all people, and she's up there.
00:26:01.000 And the other Democrats on the committee were saying about you shouldn't have to choose between your life and your vote.
00:26:07.000 And that sort of outrageous rhetoric.
00:26:09.000 That's the voter suppression because that's scaring people from voting in person when it's perfectly safe to do so.
00:26:19.000 So, you know what?
00:26:21.000 That's the suppression we need to be battling.
00:26:23.000 And that's the most significant suppression out there right now.
00:26:26.000 The left trying to scare people from voting in person and impose on our system a mail-in ballot scheme that will blow up the elections in terms of avoiding election day chaos and mass voter fraud.
00:26:39.000 It is a serious threat to our elections this cycle and in the future if this is the way it's going to go.
00:26:46.000 So, Tom, can you go into some specifics of some of the FOIA requests that you found with irregularities of voter registration?
00:26:53.000 One that circulated a lot was when I tweeted out one of the emails you guys sent, and I attribute it to you.
00:26:59.000 It was right before the Iowa caucus, and I tweeted that it was revealed that eight Iowa counties have more adults registered to vote than voting-aged adults living there.
00:27:09.000 The Iowa Secretary, his state, came back, and then you guys came back at that.
00:27:14.000 And the fact-checker said I was wrong on this.
00:27:17.000 Can you offer just, that's one example.
00:27:19.000 Can you just give some specifics for our audience?
00:27:22.000 Because that one in particular, you know, really made news.
00:27:26.000 Well, you know, that's a good example because we looked at the data and that's what the data, the base, the best data said.
00:27:33.000 And the Iowa Secretary of State, who's a Republican, attacked us and pointed to, quote, newer data that was informal that said, oh, no, no, Judicial Watch is wrong.
00:27:43.000 There's only five counties with more people on the rolls.
00:27:47.000 It was absurd.
00:27:49.000 And, you know, we've done an analysis, and it's based on 2019 data, and things haven't gotten much better since.
00:27:55.000 that across the country, there are hundreds of counties with more people on the rolls than are eligible to vote.
00:28:01.000 And when you just count those extra people, and I'm not talking about other people who shouldn't be on the rolls also, you have two and a half million names.
00:28:08.000 Los Angeles County settled a case with Judicial Watch.
00:28:12.000 They're in the process of removing up to 1.6 million extra names from their rolls.
00:28:17.000 Wow.
00:28:18.000 North Carolina, we just sued a few weeks ago.
00:28:20.000 They have about 800,000, about a million extra names on their rolls.
00:28:25.000 Pennsylvania, we just sued.
00:28:27.000 They have about 800,000 extra names on the rolls.
00:28:30.000 So when they start talking about flooding the system with mailed-in ballots, that's why we're concerned, among other reasons.
00:28:36.000 Because are these inactive names, the people who are dead or moved away, are they going to get ballots?
00:28:41.000 What's going to happen to those ballots?
00:28:42.000 California, Governor Newsom is doing it on his own, which is illegal.
00:28:47.000 So we've sued to try to stop it on behalf of voters out there.
00:28:51.000 But he's going to be sending out, according to reports, upwards of 20 million ballots to people who haven't asked for them.
00:28:58.000 And so thank you for offering those statistics, because anytime I talk about voter fraud, people say it doesn't exist.
00:29:04.000 There's no such thing as extra ballots being sent out.
00:29:07.000 And so what you're saying here is you've sued the Los Angeles County and you, not the establishment Republicans, not the organizations that are all over TV and doing all this, but Judicial Watch is the one actually removing fraudulent, potentially fraudulent names and let's just say dated names from the voting rolls in Los Angeles.
00:29:25.000 Yeah, when you've got names that aren't supposed to be there, that's a pool from which fraudsters can draw from to vote illegally.
00:29:33.000 That's the concern.
00:29:34.000 And that's why it's not like Judicial Watch is like coming up with this interpretation of the way life should be.
00:29:42.000 Federal law requires states to take reasonable steps to clean up the rolls.
00:29:47.000 And Charlie, it seems to me reasonable to suggest if you don't take anyone off the name rolls for 20 years like they did in California, that's not reasonable.
00:29:56.000 No, I mean, and one statistic is Detroit still has a voter listed on their voting rolls who was born in 1823, which was years before Michigan was even a state.
00:30:05.000 So that's just like a nice little factoid.
00:30:07.000 Well, you know, and there's always going to be, the law doesn't require the voting rolls to be perfect.
00:30:13.000 I mean, come on.
00:30:14.000 But on the other hand, if someone hasn't voted for a number of years, you try to contact them and they still don't get back to you.
00:30:21.000 They still don't vote.
00:30:22.000 That's when they need to start removing people. 0.99
00:30:25.000 So the Stacey Abrams of the world, the ACLU and these other groups, who, by the way, are attacking our efforts to clean up the lists. 0.90
00:30:32.000 I mean, this is how crazy they are.
00:30:33.000 This is the process they're attacking.
00:30:35.000 You don't vote, Charlie.
00:30:37.000 I send you a postcard.
00:30:38.000 You don't respond and you don't vote in two federal election cycles, as long as four, five, six years.
00:30:45.000 And then only, only then do we remove your name under the law.
00:30:50.000 They object to that.
00:30:52.000 And it also object to vote.
00:30:54.000 These individuals can also re-register if all of a sudden they become enlightened that they want to vote again.
00:30:59.000 It's not as if you're prohibiting them from ever participating in the and if they absolutely get convicted, they can do an affidavit ballot at the ballot box that day of the election.
00:31:09.000 And if it comes down to it, it will probably be counted as valid if they're still a citizen or, you know, of the country.
00:31:15.000 We did this process in Ohio, the process, which, by the way, was upheld in the Supreme Court of the United States, which is why the LA County people in California, I think, settled with us.
00:31:26.000 As the best I can recall, those inactive names, 99% of them had moved away.
00:31:32.000 They just weren't there anymore.
00:31:34.000 And you see on Twitter and on the internet all these people posting pictures of ballots they're getting for people who had lived in their home previously, either family or previous occupants, and they're getting inundated with ballots and offers to get absentee ballots.
00:31:52.000 That's a opportunity.
00:31:54.000 That's an area rife with opportunities for fraud.
00:31:57.000 And the American people know it, which is why they support voter ID, and which is why the left is desperate to try to scare them to death from voting in person.
00:32:06.000 If you want your vote to be secure and safe, the best way to do that is to go and vote at a polling place.
00:32:14.000 Now, I understand why people vote by mail.
00:32:16.000 It's readily available and easy, but you know, the best way to make sure your vote's going to count, in my view, is to vote in person.
00:32:23.000 Relying on the post office is not the best way to do it.
00:32:26.000 Well, it's also an important distinction, though, Tom.
00:32:29.000 Voting by mail and then voting by ballot harvesting are actually two distinctive things.
00:32:33.000 It's totally different because a lot of the time when you ballot harvest or you give your vote, your ballot to an individual that's knocking on your door, the document's not always sealed.
00:32:44.000 So it's not a completed document, right?
00:32:46.000 And it allows people to fill in information that you have no ability to be able to track once you hand that ballot off to a union organizer that knocks on your door, right?
00:32:56.000 And even that's why ballot harvesting is illegal virtually everywhere in the United States.
00:33:00.000 And California has this circus-like ballot harvesting law that would allow that type of activity to go by really unchecked.
00:33:08.000 And isn't it interesting? 0.94
00:33:09.000 Because they're saying we have to vote by mail because of coronavirus, but I don't see Gavin Newsom saying we have to restrict ballot harvesting, which requires in-person contact in order to get the darn ballots. 0.93
00:33:22.000 Yeah. 0.65
00:33:23.000 Ballot harvesting is a real menace to free elections, and it's a recipe for voter intimidation and voter fraud.
00:33:30.000 It's a trifecta in that regard.
00:33:32.000 I completely agree.
00:33:33.000 And so you also are involved in another lawsuit, Tom, where you were suing the state of California for giving stimulus money to illegal immigrants.
00:33:42.000 Is that right?
00:33:43.000 Oh, yeah.
00:33:44.000 That's another one. 0.98
00:33:44.000 We actually have two lawsuits like that. 0.98
00:33:48.000 It's funny, you say you were involved in another lawsuit.
00:33:50.000 I'm waiting to find out what it is, you know.
00:33:55.000 But that's another big one. 0.82
00:33:56.000 You know, people will be shocked to learn that states can give cash and other benefits to illegal aliens under federal law, but only if the legislature approves it.
00:34:07.000 And what Newsom did was he designated $75 million in emergency funds on his own to give to illegal aliens.
00:34:14.000 So we're suing to stop that.
00:34:16.000 We asked for a temporary restraining order, and the court ruled in state court that, well, you know, you're likely to win on the merits, but there's a public interest in giving these people money.
00:34:29.000 So I'm going to consider it later whether you win or not, but I'm not going to stop it from happening.
00:34:34.000 We had a similar case in Maryland, and the court ruled, yes, we're likely to win on the merits because the law is pretty clear.
00:34:40.000 They can't do it.
00:34:41.000 They're spending upwards of $10 million, one Montgomery County, which is a big liberal county just outside of D.C., Sanctuary County.
00:34:50.000 But the court said, you know what, the county has got to at least withhold up to 25% of what they haven't spent yet.
00:34:55.000 So there's still something to fight about.
00:34:58.000 But these cases are going to be about what else happens beyond this.
00:35:01.000 So we've gotten some good precedent.
00:35:03.000 We haven't stopped it, but we're making significant headway.
00:35:07.000 And, you know, where's the Justice Department?
00:35:10.000 This is federal law we're talking about that's being violated.
00:35:13.000 And it's little old judicial watch going in to do the basic law enforcement heavy lifting here on voter on this cleaning election, the clean voting role, cleaning voter rolls, on the sanctuary policy issues.
00:35:28.000 And look, on all these investigations on ObamaGate and the targeting of Trump, we're being opposed by the same Justice Department.
00:35:35.000 We're being opposed by the FBI.
00:35:37.000 We're being opposed by virtually all these agencies.
00:35:40.000 You know, my concern about the insurrection that happened last week is that the president was being forced to rely on federal agencies that just a few short months before were trying to turn him out of office through an illicit coup.
00:35:53.000 That's right.
00:35:54.000 And now he had to rely on the same group to protect him from an insurrection.
00:36:00.000 I'm glad Barr was there because he knew what to do.
00:36:03.000 But, you know, I tell you what, as an aside, I clean house at the Pentagon.
00:36:10.000 We see where they stand on these issues.
00:36:11.000 And that's Obama land over there as far as the general officer corps goes.
00:36:16.000 He needs the clean house.
00:36:17.000 In a lot of different places.
00:36:19.000 And if he wins reelection, he has to clean house top to bottom.
00:36:23.000 And so, Tom, I also want to get into here the issue.
00:36:29.000 Rod Rosenstein testified.
00:36:30.000 I'd love to get a short comment on that.
00:36:32.000 But generally, can you talk about, because we have so many younger listeners here that are trying to make sense of all these scandals.
00:36:39.000 And I just want to compliment you because you do what the left has always done to us, which you engage in what I call lawfare, which is you're not afraid to sue the left and make them go on defense and maybe think twice about their illicit schemes to destroy our country from within.
00:36:54.000 So I want to get your thoughts on Rosenstein.
00:36:56.000 Then you can, can you just talk more broadly about the philosophy that you take about transparency?
00:37:01.000 And then also talk about how this is, you just don't only go after Democrats.
00:37:04.000 This is something where you believe no one is above the law.
00:37:07.000 Well, that's exactly right.
00:37:08.000 And, you know, with Rosenstein, he's a Trump appointee.
00:37:11.000 He was, right?
00:37:12.000 He was the acting number two at the justice.
00:37:15.000 He was number two at the Justice Department for purposes of Russia.
00:37:19.000 He was the attorney general because he was running the Russia investigation against Trump.
00:37:24.000 And one of the interesting aspects of what he testified about was he denied discussions about wearing a wire.
00:37:30.000 Well, that doesn't doesn't jive with the documents we have.
00:37:34.000 Now, Andrew McCabe wrote a memo about a meeting he had with Rosenstein contemporaneously about this.
00:37:41.000 And McCabe comes out and he says, I tell you what, we're investigating the President Trump.
00:37:47.000 And I tell you what, you're implicated.
00:37:49.000 You're a witness.
00:37:50.000 And Rosenstein goes, he says, well, I'll tell you everything.
00:37:54.000 And I'll wear a wire because I might be able to get through the White House because they won't pat me down going in.
00:38:02.000 And McCabe writes, this is all in the memo, and I'm kind of paraphrasing it accurately.
00:38:08.000 And McCabe says, well, I'll have our people get back to you on it.
00:38:13.000 And then Rosenstein finally gets his spine.
00:38:15.000 He goes, you know what?
00:38:16.000 You're an issue. 0.94
00:38:16.000 You've got an issue too because you're compromised because of all the money your wife got from the Clinton machine. 0.94
00:38:22.000 Talk about animals in a box fighting each other. 0.99
00:38:26.000 They were trying to wear a wire on the president of the United States.
00:38:28.000 They were invoking the 25th Amendment, talking about it to target President Trump, and obviously talking about the special counsel.
00:38:35.000 I call it the seven days in May.
00:38:37.000 That's what was going on, a coup plot against the president.
00:38:40.000 And Mueller was part of it.
00:38:41.000 And Rosenstein, his testimony is, quote, problematic in terms of his denial about wanting to wear a wire.
00:38:49.000 Well, it's incredible.
00:38:50.000 And, you know, Tom, I'm going to be honest with you.
00:38:52.000 You know, I process news, read probably news five or six hours a day, and I even need reminding of some of this stuff.
00:38:59.000 I know, I know.
00:39:00.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:39:01.000 It's like this is, I do this.
00:39:02.000 I process.
00:39:03.000 I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right.
00:39:04.000 Rosenstein was going to wear a wire on the president.
00:39:06.000 Like, probably an important detail to keep reminding our listeners about.
00:39:10.000 The outrages we forget about.
00:39:12.000 You know, but going back to the big picture question you asked about, we have this precious, precious right to petition our government.
00:39:21.000 It's the First Amendment.
00:39:22.000 It's a God-given right.
00:39:23.000 It's reflected in the Constitution.
00:39:26.000 And from our perspective, we're trying to exercise it.
00:39:30.000 You know, we've got nowhere else in the world.
00:39:32.000 I mean, Judicial Watch is unique here in the United States, as you know.
00:39:35.000 When you're talking about the rest of the world, there's nothing like it.
00:39:40.000 And my gosh, as long as we're allowed to do it and we talk about the system not working, well, the fact is we can go into court and be on equal footing, relatively speaking, with these terrible agencies and deep state bureaucrats we're talking about.
00:39:52.000 So there is this measure of accountability, and the rule of law is working in many key respects.
00:39:57.000 And our constitutional system was working in many key respects.
00:40:01.000 And gosh darn it, as long as we're able to exercise our freedoms to hold the government accountable so we know what it's up to and that we can sue them when they do things wrong to maybe correct it, we're going to exercise it to our best ability.
00:40:16.000 And we only do that with the support of folks watching your support as well, Charlie.
00:40:21.000 But I tell you what, it can go away like, so we got to do it every day.
00:40:28.000 I want to reinforce what you just said, Tom, because there's a very important just civics argument here that a lot of people miss is that not every, not even every Western country allows you to sue your government.
00:40:41.000 It's a very interesting provision that the founders allowed in the Constitution.
00:40:46.000 And it's something we don't talk about enough.
00:40:48.000 Now, it's hard.
00:40:49.000 It's expensive.
00:40:50.000 It can cost you a lot.
00:40:51.000 They'll defame you.
00:40:52.000 They'll use their allies in the media.
00:40:55.000 They might counter sue or they might counterinvestigate you, I should say.
00:40:59.000 But still, and I want you to focus on this, Tom, at a bigger picture.
00:41:02.000 Can you talk about how brilliant the founders were to allow a civil, nonviolent way for you to be able to go up against the great superpower that is the federal government?
00:41:13.000 Yeah, well, they gave us these core, well, they knew this right was precious, and that's why they sought to guarantee the rights and protect them in the governing document of the United States, which is the United States Constitution.
00:41:27.000 The right to peaceably assemble, our First Amendment rights generally related to political speech, and to petition the government.
00:41:35.000 And we have federal laws that reflect that, such as the Freedom of Information Act, and just like general common laws that allow you to sue government officials when they commit misconduct.
00:41:46.000 And for the longest time, the left was the only one to use these accountability laws.
00:41:51.000 Like the FOIA, that was just a left-wing thing, that the lefties used FOIA to target the deep state at that time that they thought was targeting too many of their terrorist friends here in the United States and abroad.
00:42:06.000 And so they used FOIA to hamper those investigations.
00:42:09.000 That's what they were doing it for.
00:42:10.000 It wasn't honest accountability in many respects.
00:42:13.000 We started using it to protect our liberties and to keep this gargantuan government under control.
00:42:20.000 I tell you, it's frustrating, but think of where we'd be without it.
00:42:26.000 Because the government's out of control.
00:42:27.000 And I'm telling people there's a way out.
00:42:30.000 And the way out is the Judicial Watch way, accountability, transparency, and a commitment to the rule of law, which has been under sustained attack long before Trump came in.
00:42:43.000 It metastasized under Trump.
00:42:45.000 And it isn't going to end when he leaves office either next year or in five years.
00:42:50.000 And I want our listeners to understand that.
00:42:52.000 And by the way, Tom, we have a lot of teenage listeners that are just getting aware of politics right now.
00:42:57.000 You're an outside group, a public charity that is doing the work that, quite honestly, an inspector general or our own Justice Department should be doing.
00:43:06.000 That's the way I classify it.
00:43:08.000 And that is disheartening in one way.
00:43:10.000 You can look at it two ways.
00:43:11.000 It's disheartening, like, oh, wow, our government's not doing it.
00:43:14.000 But then it's also pretty awesome because then you're, no, you're voluntarily, Tom, committing your life, your time, your treasure to do what the government should be doing.
00:43:23.000 And it almost is a insurance policy, get it?
00:43:26.000 Or a trapdoor to be able to say, I still want this republic to exist, and there is a provision that allows us to do that.
00:43:33.000 Well, that's right.
00:43:34.000 And, you know, we do more significant journalism than most of the media.
00:43:40.000 Our Benghazi litigation, which uncovered the Clinton emails and that whole, you know, that led really in many ways to Hillary Clinton losing.
00:43:49.000 You know, that to me was the most significant non-governmental investigation in modern American history.
00:43:56.000 There's been nothing like it.
00:43:58.000 And I'm convinced, dare I say it, that President Trump wouldn't be president but for the pressure Judicial Watch was bringing to bear on the improprieties of what Mueller was doing, the whole ObamaGate scenario that was going on that we were pushing back against and highlighting was abusive.
00:44:16.000 And they, frankly, it led to the Mueller operation being shut down before it could fully destroy the president.
00:44:25.000 So in closing, Tom, let's look to November.
00:44:28.000 What lawsuits are the most important that you're involved in?
00:44:31.000 What can the American people expect?
00:44:33.000 What are you pushing for in a transparency message from now till November?
00:44:38.000 What should we keep?
00:44:40.000 What should we stay aware of?
00:44:41.000 Well, we don't time our litigation for elections because, you know, I'm not saying vote for or against the candidate.
00:44:48.000 It's well started.
00:44:49.000 I understand.
00:44:50.000 But, you know, our election cases are important because when we're suing to clean up the rolls, they can start cleaning up the rolls immediately.
00:44:59.000 So because of our work, right now, we're in court right now.
00:45:03.000 Your voting rolls will be a little cleaner come election day.
00:45:07.000 And it's less likely the system will be upended on election day for or against a particular candidate because of the work we're doing now.
00:45:17.000 So this work is key.
00:45:18.000 I mean, we're, and I encourage people to follow this issue closely.
00:45:22.000 The left is obsessed with election systems and the way elections are done.
00:45:27.000 And they're trying to upend the law and blow up our system.
00:45:30.000 And we don't have the similar capacities on the right.
00:45:35.000 I mean, we're, I can think of one other group, two other groups.
00:45:40.000 I probably know the name of every lawyer involved in the issue on our side of it.
00:45:46.000 Only recently the Republicans began doing it.
00:45:49.000 And as you know, they are not as effective and they kind of, you know, they have a very different reason for engaging in these fights than Judicial Watch does.
00:46:00.000 And in many ways, we're sometimes fighting against Republican office holders who refuse to clean up the rolls like we were doing in Iowa.
00:46:07.000 So those are important issues.
00:46:10.000 And, you know, we just have to keep on getting out the information about the attack on President Trump because I fear that if nothing, whatever doesn't come out now, depending on the result of the election, we may never see.
00:46:25.000 So there's got to be urgency by the Trump administration to be transparent.
00:46:29.000 And I'm not seeing that.
00:46:30.000 And I would encourage them to rethink their approach here.
00:46:33.000 Yeah, I completely agree.
00:46:35.000 And so, Tom, in closing, Assault on the Republic's the book.
00:46:38.000 You said it's not public yet, but I guess our audience can stay aware of it.
00:46:42.000 It's coming out in the fall.
00:46:44.000 We'd love to have you almost every month before the election if you can make time because what you're talking about, no one else understands, and no one else is actually fighting as hard as you are.
00:46:52.000 Yeah, it's complicated, but pretty darn simple in the time.
00:46:55.000 They tried to remove the president unlawfully to protect Hillary and the Obama gang from being prosecuted for all their crimes against him and America.
00:47:03.000 Yeah, well, God bless you for what you're doing.
00:47:06.000 So, Tom, thanks so much for joining the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:47:09.000 Judicial Watch, help them out, and we'll talk to you soon.