00:00:52.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:01.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:48.000You know, it's good to see there's a rising generation of leaders coming up, not only through you, but with you, with the young people that you're helping train and activate.
00:02:40.000And one judge, Judge Royce Lamberth, in addition to Judge Sullivan, by the way, who already granted us discovery, Judge Lamberth wants us to have granted us additional discovery, including the testimony of Mrs. Clinton.
00:02:55.000And that order came down, I think, in March.
00:03:56.000What I don't really like is to have the Justice Department come round and say, Well, yeah, we didn't want Hillary Clinton to be deposed, but this emergency motion, it's really something that we don't agree with.
00:04:08.000But on the other hand, we just wanted all this to be shut down and we just want to end it.
00:04:13.000So we've got Hillary Clinton and the Justice Department providing zero help and, frankly, a lot of cover to Hillary Clinton.
00:04:20.000And it's just Judicial Watch alone trying to get accountability here.
00:04:24.000And maybe, maybe she'll, you know, if things all things were being equal, she'd be deposed.
00:04:39.000So this is such an important issue because it seems as if the rules are rigged for the few and the well-connected.
00:04:45.000It seems as if if you are part of a specific ruling class, you're able to get away with things that regular citizens are not able to get away with.
00:04:54.000So, Tom, can you take our listeners a little bit back in time about how Judicial Watch has been on the cutting edge of some of the most important discoveries with the Clintons, with FISA abuse?
00:05:06.000Because the work you're doing at Judicial Watch, I don't see anyone else doing this.
00:05:10.000I don't see anyone in traditional Republican politics fighting like you are.
00:05:15.000Yeah, you know, although I am pleased to say, Charlie, I appreciate that, that the few members of Congress that have been doing anything saw that what Judicial Watch was able to get out of the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton.
00:05:28.000And they saw once ObamaGate erupted, hey, we need to do more of this in terms of our independent investigation.
00:05:35.000And, you know, we uncovered that they had the Clinton emails that they were hiding.
00:05:39.000And then we found within them all the pay-to-play that was going on at the State Department, where she's getting all these shady foreign governments, corporations to pay the Clinton Foundation that were then leveraging for them insider status at the State Department, which is, of course, what Hillary Clinton said she wouldn't do, and arguably was illegal.
00:06:03.000And of course, the Justice Department had zero interest under Obama in doing any investigation there.
00:06:07.000President Trump wins, and then you kind of see the outlines of the Russia gate smears emerge.
00:06:13.000You kind of saw it before the election because remember, they were leaking, the FBI was this information out there to try to undermine Trump.
00:06:21.000And we knew immediately that this was a scheme, a scam, and a scheme.
00:06:26.000And so we began the investigations, and it led to the disclosure of the FISA warrant applications.
00:06:34.000It led to the disclosure of what Bruce Orr was up to, the top fusion GPS operative.
00:06:40.000His wife was that, well, he basically was a fusion GPS operative because his wife was working for them.
00:06:45.000And he was at the senior level of the Justice Department.
00:06:47.000We have all these page struct materials that have come out.
00:06:51.000Just two weeks ago, we received the opening document, allegedly, for the spy operation against President Trump, written by none other than Peter Strzzok.
00:07:00.000And when you look at the document, you'll see it was even worse than the dossier in terms of having no basis to begin a spy operation against the presidential campaign.
00:07:10.000And, you know, all of this has come out, and much of it came out before these IG reports came out, basically that are based on the documents we had already pushed before the American people.
00:07:22.000And I'm convinced the Justice Department wouldn't be doing jack if it weren't for the disclosures that A. Devin Nunes had made, that Judicial Watch had made, and frankly, more recently, that Mr. Grinnell has made in his position at ODNI when he was there.
00:07:39.000Well, and that's such an important history and backstory, Tom, because Judicial Watch has been on the cutting edge of giving conservatives the conviction to go after this deep state corruption against the president.
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00:09:14.000And so, Tom, I get this question all the time, and there's so many topics I want to cover with you, but I want to go straight to the point.
00:09:20.000Do you think that Durham is going to put forth charges against Lisa Page and Peter Strzzok or any of these individuals?
00:09:27.000Lisa Page, who, by the way, is now an MSNBC contributor.
00:09:32.000Because I get this question more than any other question from our listeners.
00:09:36.000Well, I wish I could tell you that I thought charges were coming, but I don't.
00:09:40.000I just don't see the sort of investigative activity to suggest that senior-level officials will be charged.
00:09:46.000Look, I mean, think of that FBI lawyer who altered the Carter Page CIA document to make it seem like he was working for the Russians when, in fact, he was working for the CIA.
00:09:58.000That lawyer was referred to the Justice Department for prosecution back in November of last year.
00:10:04.000I mean, it's kind of a dead, you know, they had him dead to rights.
00:10:28.000And I tell you, it's certainly not going to happen if we don't know the full scale of the corruption.
00:10:34.000My view is getting the transparency about what went on out there is may not be sufficient, but certainly is necessary to push the Justice Department to do what it needs to do.
00:10:47.000But, you know, look, in many ways, it's too late.
00:10:51.000I mean, they're going to, even if it were senior people under the gun here, they're going to come around, I suspect, and say it's in the middle of election year, so we can't do it.
00:11:03.000I have a more kind of big picture approach.
00:11:05.000I don't think we have a justice department or justice system, I should say, in our country anymore.
00:11:10.000I'm so beyond cynical that we actually are going to start to see James Comey and Andrew McCabe and Lisa Page and Peter Strzok be held accountable.
00:11:17.000And a lot of people are holding out hope and they say, well, you know, Attorney General Barr seems like he's really going after it.
00:11:24.000I think the bar has been great on a lot of things, but I do not.
00:11:27.000I'm not holding my breath for convictions to come down.
00:11:30.000I think there might be some slaps on the wrist for some, let's just say, sacrificial lambs along the way.
00:11:36.000I think they might find some people that are not in that kind of intelligentsia community on the far left that are in the protected ruling class.
00:11:44.000And people have to realize right now we do not have a justice system.
00:11:48.000Have what I call anarcho-tyranny, which is the left is able to use the multitude of laws that we have towards their political opponents as they see fit.
00:11:57.000Speaking of which, Tom, you have been on the cutting edge on this Flynn scandal.
00:12:02.000Can you give our listeners just an update of where things stand with Judge Sullivan and also your personal involvement of how you were calling the shots early on Lieutenant General Michael Flynn and how it was law entrapment, not law enforcement?
00:12:17.000And so the news is that he'll be, he'll finally get it, I should say, he'll get a substantial day in court on Friday, I think the scheduled hearing is, over his appeal, his writ of mandamus against Judge Sullivan.
00:12:30.000So that panel will hear all argument this Friday.
00:12:34.000And your listeners and viewers will be able to watch or at least listen to it, I believe, online, which is kind of unusual for an appellate court because the coronavirus, they're meeting via teleconference.
00:12:53.000Flynn knew what the Obama administration was about, knew about the corruption in the intelligence agencies.
00:13:00.000For instance, Judicial Watch had obtained, I think this is maybe one of our most important finds ever.
00:13:06.000NSA material, National Security Administration material, I believe it was the agency, that showed that the Obama administration knew that weapons were going out to the jihadist side of Benghazi, and they knew the plan in terms of the emergence of ISIS and the support that we were providing to terrorists opposing Assad at the time.
00:13:56.000Sally Yates was surprised how much about Obama knew.
00:14:00.000We now know that his chief of staff unmasked him that day, Obama's chief of staff.
00:14:05.000And Yates is saying, in retrospect, it made sense about this Logan Act crap.
00:14:11.000Of course, she was pushing it too, because she didn't understand why Obama was talking about it.
00:14:17.000And then, sure enough, a few weeks later, Obama's minion, Comey, ambushes Flynn in that really outrageous interview in the White House, avoiding all the rules to get that ambush interview done.
00:14:31.000And so Obama was targeting Flynn specifically.
00:14:35.000And of course, when you're targeting the National Security Advisor of the President of the United States, when you're spying on the incoming National Security Advisor of the President of the United States, President Trump, you're attacking the president.
00:14:46.000This was an assault on the president's ability to conduct foreign affairs.
00:14:51.000And to me, that's the reason he should be pardoned.
00:14:55.000I understand the law, the criminal case may play out in a way that exonerates Flynn in some ways, but I think they're going to come back after him.
00:15:03.000He should just pardon him because it was an assault on President Trump and the Constitution as much as it was an attack on Flynn.
00:16:30.000And it's been that way for quite some time.
00:16:32.000The FBI has been the preferred enforcement agency of the ruling class, and they use the ultimate authority to spy on citizens to go into people's lives.
00:16:43.000Show me the man, I'll show you the crime, basically, is how the FBI can operate.
00:16:59.000When I see people like Hillary Clinton, who destroyed emails, who lie under oath, be able to continue to waltz around the globe and sell out our country for cash from our enemies, when I see people like Peter Strzok and Lisa Page and Andrew McCabe and Samantha Powers do what they did and with no justice to come after them, it really makes me unsettled about where our justice system is.
00:17:21.000And Lady Justice is supposed to be blind, and Lady Justice is anything but blind.
00:17:26.000Right now, you have a system that is so out of whack and out of balance.
00:17:30.000And the other example I want to talk about, and I support a full pardon for him, is Roger Stone.
00:17:34.000Now, I don't get into the specifics of whether Roger did what he was prosecuted and convicted of.
00:17:40.000I actually think that is a separate issue.
00:17:43.000Instead, the trial that he was given was unfair.
00:17:46.000It was a rigged trial with the jury four woman who actually ran for office as an anti-Trump activist.
00:17:54.000Can you fill our listeners in a little bit about any of your transparency efforts around Roger Stone or how you stand around the conviction of Roger?
00:18:01.000Well, I mean, one of the easiest things we've been asking questions about, but we couldn't get any straight answers from the Justice Department on is that outrageous raid on Stone that CNN coincidentally happened to be there to film.
00:18:18.000If that doesn't give you an indication that this was a political targeting, look, you know, this is not, as you're implying, this doesn't mean that the people targeted are, quote, innocent.
00:18:29.000But it does mean that you can't trust the basis for the targeting or that the decision-making was free from political corruption.
00:18:39.000And given the fact that the Justice Department and the FBI clearly were targeting these people not to enforce the rule of law, but to, again, attack the president of the United States, the president should step in and pardon them all.
00:18:53.000You know, you go back to George H.W. Bush.
00:18:55.000It's probably a little bit before your time, Charlie.
00:18:58.000He pardoned, I think, six individuals who were targeted by another independent counsel at the time, Lawrence Walsh.
00:19:05.000I think he was, Walsh was indicting people just a few weeks before Trump, President Bush's election or reelection.
00:19:13.000Talk about interference in an election campaign.
00:19:35.000It doesn't mean that Barr's a bad guy.
00:19:36.000Just means systematically the institution is full of left-wing partisans who abuse the powers entrusted to them by the American people to target their political enemies.
00:19:46.000And even in apolitical cases, you wonder what the priorities are.
00:19:50.000Look at all these poor saps who've been caught up in this college admissions scandal.
00:19:54.000Do you feel safer, Charlie, that we spend all these resources to put those terrible people behind bars?
00:20:00.000While, as you point out, we've got the worst spying scandal in American history, and not one person has even been brought before a grand jury, as best we can tell.
00:20:13.000I'll tell you who's working for the ride, just trying to kind of ride the tiger.
00:20:18.000I tell you, the president maybe I would appoint a separate special counsel that utilizes resources apart from the Justice Department and the FBI to investigate those and other agencies because it ain't working to date, as far as I can tell.
00:20:32.000And Tom, I'll tell you who's running the Justice Department.
00:20:34.000Hyper-educated Ivy League radicals that have been taught to hate our country and use the instruments of power to basically create the America that they want, which is one that is basically enshrines the intelligentsia ruling class, that destroys people like you and me, that destroys our value system.
00:20:53.000And people have to recognize that we believe in limited government because we know that if human beings are given that sort of authority, they are going to abuse that power.
00:21:04.000And that's why we have cross-examination of witnesses.
00:21:08.000But even with that, they are able to abuse the jury selection process.
00:21:11.000They're able to abuse the process of getting a fair and impartial hearing.
00:21:16.000A judge like Judge Sullivan, you know, judges wear black because they're supposed to be, and you would know this, the imagery is supposed to be something that is somber and not anything impartial.
00:21:30.000I'm here to give a fair hearing to the individuals within my courtroom.
00:21:34.000And yet, Judge Sullivan is now acting as if he's a prosecutor, anything but impartial.
00:21:39.000I mean, we have never seen anything like this in recent history.
00:21:43.000And it makes me very troubled, especially for where we are headed to as a republic, because this is stuff that is closer to banana republic stuff, not a constitutional republic.
00:21:54.000You know, and when you tie it all together, and I just, I just happen to have a book coming out in a few months.
00:21:59.000I don't think we've officially announced it, but the title is Assault on the Republic.
00:22:06.000I mean, you see it with the attack on President Trump, the coup, impeachment attack, the Mueller investigation.
00:22:12.000You see it with the attack on our sovereignty, the refusal to even to oppose the opposition to the very notions of borders.
00:22:22.000And then you have the assault on our election system by the left.
00:22:26.000You know, and when you've got these bureaucrats deciding who should or should not be president, that's not just an attack on conservatives.
00:22:34.000It's not just an attack on Republicans.
00:22:36.000I know Trump is the immediate target here, but it's an attack on every American who thinks they ought to have a say who runs the country.
00:22:46.000We don't give them the right to do that.
00:22:48.000And when they take that right, they're acting as coup plotters and coopsters, as I call them.
00:22:54.000And I tell you, we can't do enough to expose and prosecute them.
00:22:58.000And, you know, we can name the two or three people who have been fired because of this.
00:23:04.000And, you know, Barr is, it's June, Charlie.
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00:24:10.000So you talk about election interference, Tom.
00:24:12.000You have been on the cutting edge of exposing questionable voter, let's just say voting practices across the country, trying to unearth voting fraud.
00:25:04.000And the idea that people don't cheat in elections is absurd.
00:25:07.000And of course, they're setting up a system to allow cheating to take place more easily.
00:25:12.000And the law is that you don't need to prove voter fraud in order to have a system in place to curtail it.
00:25:23.000Because it's important that people have confidence that the elections are freely and fairly administered.
00:25:29.000And when you don't have that confidence, that suppresses the vote, Charlie.
00:25:33.000That means people won't vote because they think their vote won't be counted.
00:25:36.000So increasing voter ID, securing elections, encouraging people to vote in person in a secure location as opposed to this mail-in ballot scheme that induces it will increase the opportunities for fraud and intimidation.
00:26:21.000That's the suppression we need to be battling.
00:26:23.000And that's the most significant suppression out there right now.
00:26:26.000The left trying to scare people from voting in person and impose on our system a mail-in ballot scheme that will blow up the elections in terms of avoiding election day chaos and mass voter fraud.
00:26:39.000It is a serious threat to our elections this cycle and in the future if this is the way it's going to go.
00:26:46.000So, Tom, can you go into some specifics of some of the FOIA requests that you found with irregularities of voter registration?
00:26:53.000One that circulated a lot was when I tweeted out one of the emails you guys sent, and I attribute it to you.
00:26:59.000It was right before the Iowa caucus, and I tweeted that it was revealed that eight Iowa counties have more adults registered to vote than voting-aged adults living there.
00:27:09.000The Iowa Secretary, his state, came back, and then you guys came back at that.
00:27:14.000And the fact-checker said I was wrong on this.
00:27:17.000Can you offer just, that's one example.
00:27:19.000Can you just give some specifics for our audience?
00:27:22.000Because that one in particular, you know, really made news.
00:27:26.000Well, you know, that's a good example because we looked at the data and that's what the data, the base, the best data said.
00:27:33.000And the Iowa Secretary of State, who's a Republican, attacked us and pointed to, quote, newer data that was informal that said, oh, no, no, Judicial Watch is wrong.
00:27:43.000There's only five counties with more people on the rolls.
00:27:49.000And, you know, we've done an analysis, and it's based on 2019 data, and things haven't gotten much better since.
00:27:55.000that across the country, there are hundreds of counties with more people on the rolls than are eligible to vote.
00:28:01.000And when you just count those extra people, and I'm not talking about other people who shouldn't be on the rolls also, you have two and a half million names.
00:28:08.000Los Angeles County settled a case with Judicial Watch.
00:28:12.000They're in the process of removing up to 1.6 million extra names from their rolls.
00:28:27.000They have about 800,000 extra names on the rolls.
00:28:30.000So when they start talking about flooding the system with mailed-in ballots, that's why we're concerned, among other reasons.
00:28:36.000Because are these inactive names, the people who are dead or moved away, are they going to get ballots?
00:28:41.000What's going to happen to those ballots?
00:28:42.000California, Governor Newsom is doing it on his own, which is illegal.
00:28:47.000So we've sued to try to stop it on behalf of voters out there.
00:28:51.000But he's going to be sending out, according to reports, upwards of 20 million ballots to people who haven't asked for them.
00:28:58.000And so thank you for offering those statistics, because anytime I talk about voter fraud, people say it doesn't exist.
00:29:04.000There's no such thing as extra ballots being sent out.
00:29:07.000And so what you're saying here is you've sued the Los Angeles County and you, not the establishment Republicans, not the organizations that are all over TV and doing all this, but Judicial Watch is the one actually removing fraudulent, potentially fraudulent names and let's just say dated names from the voting rolls in Los Angeles.
00:29:25.000Yeah, when you've got names that aren't supposed to be there, that's a pool from which fraudsters can draw from to vote illegally.
00:29:34.000And that's why it's not like Judicial Watch is like coming up with this interpretation of the way life should be.
00:29:42.000Federal law requires states to take reasonable steps to clean up the rolls.
00:29:47.000And Charlie, it seems to me reasonable to suggest if you don't take anyone off the name rolls for 20 years like they did in California, that's not reasonable.
00:29:56.000No, I mean, and one statistic is Detroit still has a voter listed on their voting rolls who was born in 1823, which was years before Michigan was even a state.
00:30:05.000So that's just like a nice little factoid.
00:30:07.000Well, you know, and there's always going to be, the law doesn't require the voting rolls to be perfect.
00:30:54.000These individuals can also re-register if all of a sudden they become enlightened that they want to vote again.
00:30:59.000It's not as if you're prohibiting them from ever participating in the and if they absolutely get convicted, they can do an affidavit ballot at the ballot box that day of the election.
00:31:09.000And if it comes down to it, it will probably be counted as valid if they're still a citizen or, you know, of the country.
00:31:15.000We did this process in Ohio, the process, which, by the way, was upheld in the Supreme Court of the United States, which is why the LA County people in California, I think, settled with us.
00:31:26.000As the best I can recall, those inactive names, 99% of them had moved away.
00:31:34.000And you see on Twitter and on the internet all these people posting pictures of ballots they're getting for people who had lived in their home previously, either family or previous occupants, and they're getting inundated with ballots and offers to get absentee ballots.
00:31:54.000That's an area rife with opportunities for fraud.
00:31:57.000And the American people know it, which is why they support voter ID, and which is why the left is desperate to try to scare them to death from voting in person.
00:32:06.000If you want your vote to be secure and safe, the best way to do that is to go and vote at a polling place.
00:32:14.000Now, I understand why people vote by mail.
00:32:16.000It's readily available and easy, but you know, the best way to make sure your vote's going to count, in my view, is to vote in person.
00:32:23.000Relying on the post office is not the best way to do it.
00:32:26.000Well, it's also an important distinction, though, Tom.
00:32:29.000Voting by mail and then voting by ballot harvesting are actually two distinctive things.
00:32:33.000It's totally different because a lot of the time when you ballot harvest or you give your vote, your ballot to an individual that's knocking on your door, the document's not always sealed.
00:32:44.000So it's not a completed document, right?
00:32:46.000And it allows people to fill in information that you have no ability to be able to track once you hand that ballot off to a union organizer that knocks on your door, right?
00:32:56.000And even that's why ballot harvesting is illegal virtually everywhere in the United States.
00:33:00.000And California has this circus-like ballot harvesting law that would allow that type of activity to go by really unchecked.
00:33:09.000Because they're saying we have to vote by mail because of coronavirus, but I don't see Gavin Newsom saying we have to restrict ballot harvesting, which requires in-person contact in order to get the darn ballots.
00:33:33.000And so you also are involved in another lawsuit, Tom, where you were suing the state of California for giving stimulus money to illegal immigrants.
00:33:56.000You know, people will be shocked to learn that states can give cash and other benefits to illegal aliens under federal law, but only if the legislature approves it.
00:34:07.000And what Newsom did was he designated $75 million in emergency funds on his own to give to illegal aliens.
00:34:16.000We asked for a temporary restraining order, and the court ruled in state court that, well, you know, you're likely to win on the merits, but there's a public interest in giving these people money.
00:34:29.000So I'm going to consider it later whether you win or not, but I'm not going to stop it from happening.
00:34:34.000We had a similar case in Maryland, and the court ruled, yes, we're likely to win on the merits because the law is pretty clear.
00:35:03.000We haven't stopped it, but we're making significant headway.
00:35:07.000And, you know, where's the Justice Department?
00:35:10.000This is federal law we're talking about that's being violated.
00:35:13.000And it's little old judicial watch going in to do the basic law enforcement heavy lifting here on voter on this cleaning election, the clean voting role, cleaning voter rolls, on the sanctuary policy issues.
00:35:28.000And look, on all these investigations on ObamaGate and the targeting of Trump, we're being opposed by the same Justice Department.
00:35:37.000We're being opposed by virtually all these agencies.
00:35:40.000You know, my concern about the insurrection that happened last week is that the president was being forced to rely on federal agencies that just a few short months before were trying to turn him out of office through an illicit coup.
00:36:30.000I'd love to get a short comment on that.
00:36:32.000But generally, can you talk about, because we have so many younger listeners here that are trying to make sense of all these scandals.
00:36:39.000And I just want to compliment you because you do what the left has always done to us, which you engage in what I call lawfare, which is you're not afraid to sue the left and make them go on defense and maybe think twice about their illicit schemes to destroy our country from within.
00:36:54.000So I want to get your thoughts on Rosenstein.
00:36:56.000Then you can, can you just talk more broadly about the philosophy that you take about transparency?
00:37:01.000And then also talk about how this is, you just don't only go after Democrats.
00:37:04.000This is something where you believe no one is above the law.
00:39:26.000And from our perspective, we're trying to exercise it.
00:39:30.000You know, we've got nowhere else in the world.
00:39:32.000I mean, Judicial Watch is unique here in the United States, as you know.
00:39:35.000When you're talking about the rest of the world, there's nothing like it.
00:39:40.000And my gosh, as long as we're allowed to do it and we talk about the system not working, well, the fact is we can go into court and be on equal footing, relatively speaking, with these terrible agencies and deep state bureaucrats we're talking about.
00:39:52.000So there is this measure of accountability, and the rule of law is working in many key respects.
00:39:57.000And our constitutional system was working in many key respects.
00:40:01.000And gosh darn it, as long as we're able to exercise our freedoms to hold the government accountable so we know what it's up to and that we can sue them when they do things wrong to maybe correct it, we're going to exercise it to our best ability.
00:40:16.000And we only do that with the support of folks watching your support as well, Charlie.
00:40:21.000But I tell you what, it can go away like, so we got to do it every day.
00:40:28.000I want to reinforce what you just said, Tom, because there's a very important just civics argument here that a lot of people miss is that not every, not even every Western country allows you to sue your government.
00:40:41.000It's a very interesting provision that the founders allowed in the Constitution.
00:40:46.000And it's something we don't talk about enough.
00:40:52.000They'll use their allies in the media.
00:40:55.000They might counter sue or they might counterinvestigate you, I should say.
00:40:59.000But still, and I want you to focus on this, Tom, at a bigger picture.
00:41:02.000Can you talk about how brilliant the founders were to allow a civil, nonviolent way for you to be able to go up against the great superpower that is the federal government?
00:41:13.000Yeah, well, they gave us these core, well, they knew this right was precious, and that's why they sought to guarantee the rights and protect them in the governing document of the United States, which is the United States Constitution.
00:41:27.000The right to peaceably assemble, our First Amendment rights generally related to political speech, and to petition the government.
00:41:35.000And we have federal laws that reflect that, such as the Freedom of Information Act, and just like general common laws that allow you to sue government officials when they commit misconduct.
00:41:46.000And for the longest time, the left was the only one to use these accountability laws.
00:41:51.000Like the FOIA, that was just a left-wing thing, that the lefties used FOIA to target the deep state at that time that they thought was targeting too many of their terrorist friends here in the United States and abroad.
00:42:06.000And so they used FOIA to hamper those investigations.
00:42:10.000It wasn't honest accountability in many respects.
00:42:13.000We started using it to protect our liberties and to keep this gargantuan government under control.
00:42:20.000I tell you, it's frustrating, but think of where we'd be without it.
00:42:26.000Because the government's out of control.
00:42:27.000And I'm telling people there's a way out.
00:42:30.000And the way out is the Judicial Watch way, accountability, transparency, and a commitment to the rule of law, which has been under sustained attack long before Trump came in.
00:42:45.000And it isn't going to end when he leaves office either next year or in five years.
00:42:50.000And I want our listeners to understand that.
00:42:52.000And by the way, Tom, we have a lot of teenage listeners that are just getting aware of politics right now.
00:42:57.000You're an outside group, a public charity that is doing the work that, quite honestly, an inspector general or our own Justice Department should be doing.
00:43:11.000It's disheartening, like, oh, wow, our government's not doing it.
00:43:14.000But then it's also pretty awesome because then you're, no, you're voluntarily, Tom, committing your life, your time, your treasure to do what the government should be doing.
00:43:23.000And it almost is a insurance policy, get it?
00:43:26.000Or a trapdoor to be able to say, I still want this republic to exist, and there is a provision that allows us to do that.
00:43:34.000And, you know, we do more significant journalism than most of the media.
00:43:40.000Our Benghazi litigation, which uncovered the Clinton emails and that whole, you know, that led really in many ways to Hillary Clinton losing.
00:43:49.000You know, that to me was the most significant non-governmental investigation in modern American history.
00:43:58.000And I'm convinced, dare I say it, that President Trump wouldn't be president but for the pressure Judicial Watch was bringing to bear on the improprieties of what Mueller was doing, the whole ObamaGate scenario that was going on that we were pushing back against and highlighting was abusive.
00:44:16.000And they, frankly, it led to the Mueller operation being shut down before it could fully destroy the president.
00:44:25.000So in closing, Tom, let's look to November.
00:44:28.000What lawsuits are the most important that you're involved in?
00:44:50.000But, you know, our election cases are important because when we're suing to clean up the rolls, they can start cleaning up the rolls immediately.
00:44:59.000So because of our work, right now, we're in court right now.
00:45:03.000Your voting rolls will be a little cleaner come election day.
00:45:07.000And it's less likely the system will be upended on election day for or against a particular candidate because of the work we're doing now.
00:45:18.000I mean, we're, and I encourage people to follow this issue closely.
00:45:22.000The left is obsessed with election systems and the way elections are done.
00:45:27.000And they're trying to upend the law and blow up our system.
00:45:30.000And we don't have the similar capacities on the right.
00:45:35.000I mean, we're, I can think of one other group, two other groups.
00:45:40.000I probably know the name of every lawyer involved in the issue on our side of it.
00:45:46.000Only recently the Republicans began doing it.
00:45:49.000And as you know, they are not as effective and they kind of, you know, they have a very different reason for engaging in these fights than Judicial Watch does.
00:46:00.000And in many ways, we're sometimes fighting against Republican office holders who refuse to clean up the rolls like we were doing in Iowa.
00:46:10.000And, you know, we just have to keep on getting out the information about the attack on President Trump because I fear that if nothing, whatever doesn't come out now, depending on the result of the election, we may never see.
00:46:25.000So there's got to be urgency by the Trump administration to be transparent.
00:46:44.000We'd love to have you almost every month before the election if you can make time because what you're talking about, no one else understands, and no one else is actually fighting as hard as you are.
00:46:52.000Yeah, it's complicated, but pretty darn simple in the time.
00:46:55.000They tried to remove the president unlawfully to protect Hillary and the Obama gang from being prosecuted for all their crimes against him and America.
00:47:03.000Yeah, well, God bless you for what you're doing.
00:47:06.000So, Tom, thanks so much for joining the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:47:09.000Judicial Watch, help them out, and we'll talk to you soon.