The Charlie Kirk Show - Total War on the Border

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, the cartels.

00:00:02.000 Where do they come from?

00:00:02.000 Who are they?

00:00:04.000 How is it possible they run the Mexican government?

00:00:06.000 We have Jason Jones to discuss and how they monetize people on the southern border.

00:00:10.000 An informative, important conversation.

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00:01:38.000 Joining us now is Jason Jones, Vice President of Border 911 and a cartel and border intel expert.

00:01:44.000 Jason, welcome.

00:01:45.000 It's great to be with you.

00:01:46.000 We were having a spirited conversation about what's happening on the border.

00:01:50.000 It is a crime against humanity.

00:01:52.000 How bad is it?

00:01:53.000 Just for the uninitiated listening in our audience, what's going on?

00:01:57.000 Been working that border since 1999, never seen anything like it.

00:02:00.000 If you look in the sheer volume and numbers of people crossing in the last three months, over 900,000 people according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

00:02:08.000 Over what period of time?

00:02:09.000 Since three months.

00:02:10.000 Three months.

00:02:11.000 So that's $300,000 a month.

00:02:14.000 And that's $10,000 a day.

00:02:15.000 Ish.

00:02:16.000 Ish.

00:02:17.000 We were averaging $12,000.

00:02:18.000 How many of the...

00:02:19.000 Does that include Godaways, or is that just?

00:02:21.000 That doesn't include Godaways.

00:02:22.000 How many do we want to do?

00:02:23.000 $3.8 million under the Biden administration.

00:02:26.000 Gotaways since the beginning of his term.

00:02:28.000 That's correct.

00:02:28.000 And those are just the ones we know of.

00:02:30.000 And yeah, so the gotaways are people that are now the interior of the United States.

00:02:33.000 We have no idea who they are.

00:02:35.000 They run, and what does Border Patrol not pursue them, or they just can't get hands on them?

00:02:38.000 Are they distracted?

00:02:39.000 They do a distraction type deal.

00:02:40.000 Oh, yeah, it's all by design.

00:02:41.000 You know, and that's the story, though, Charlie, that's not told to the American people.

00:02:44.000 Because when you see most of the media, what do they show you?

00:02:46.000 They show you these big groups crossing.

00:02:48.000 But that's by design with the cartels, because they send those big groups.

00:02:51.000 And then from there, that's where they open up to move fentanyl, deadly drugs, and the high values have been crossed.

00:02:56.000 And one of the things that's really important for the folks to understand is that in the old days, our border was a U.S.-Mexico-Central American problem.

00:03:04.000 Today, the world is truly coming.

00:03:05.000 I mean, we had people from 171 different countries last year.

00:03:09.000 There's a bunch of West Africans coming to Arizona.

00:03:12.000 What's the story there?

00:03:13.000 I've been on your border for the last seven days straight down in Lukeville trying to understand that.

00:03:18.000 And according to Border Patrol, they started first seeing them about six months ago.

00:03:23.000 And that directly linked to the Sinaloa cartel, specifically an individual by the name of Palone who runs the Sonoya as the plaza boss down there and the long-haul smugglers moving them in.

00:03:34.000 But the problem you have here now in Arizona is that now they're moving that over towards Sassabi.

00:03:39.000 They started seeing them two months ago there as well.

00:03:41.000 I was just in Sassaby day before yesterday and I can tell you, you know, Arizona, if you live here in this great state, get ready because the fentanyl problem coming in is directly linked to that Sinaloa cartel and that's why you're feeling it the way you are here.

00:03:54.000 And so much to cover.

00:03:55.000 That does originate in China mostly, correct?

00:03:58.000 It used to.

00:03:59.000 The chemical precursors do now.

00:04:01.000 What's happened, though, is the Sinaloans hired chemists right out of universities all over Mexico.

00:04:08.000 Wolver White.

00:04:08.000 That's it, and they run their labs.

00:04:10.000 And so the worst part of this, too, is now they've not only regular fentanyl, they've created parafentanyl, serafentany, and now mixing in xylosine.

00:04:18.000 So when you hear the weaponization of fentanyl and wonder why so many Americans have died, you know, we lost 112,000 Americans to deadly drugs in one year.

00:04:27.000 We have never been here in this nation's history.

00:04:31.000 So I have to tell you, and I will say it again and again, that if this nation doesn't take on the cartels, if you think it's bad now, I know them very well.

00:04:38.000 This is just the beginning.

00:04:39.000 Yeah, so help me understand.

00:04:41.000 Let's say the comprehension of the cartel culture is limited to Netflix narcos for most people.

00:04:47.000 Myself included, honestly.

00:04:49.000 What?

00:04:49.000 Those drug guys, those gangs, they call them.

00:04:52.000 Correct.

00:04:53.000 Why is there such hesitancy to confront them?

00:04:58.000 Are they embedded in American politics?

00:05:02.000 Is there kind of a deal between them?

00:05:04.000 Are we afraid of them?

00:05:05.000 Should we be afraid of them?

00:05:07.000 We should definitely be afraid of them.

00:05:09.000 And that's coming from somebody that built programs with the Texas Department of Public Safety and worked closely with U.S. intelligence agencies to crush them.

00:05:17.000 I'm telling you that.

00:05:18.000 And the reason I came public after retiring to designate the cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, I'm the guy that started that whole initiative.

00:05:24.000 Yeah, good for you.

00:05:25.000 Because I know them very well.

00:05:26.000 And here's the real story that America needs to know about them: is that they're not drug gangs, they're not drug cartels.

00:05:33.000 Drugs is something they do. 1.00

00:05:34.000 Today, what has happened is that we went through a major shift with them: that we went from organized crime into an insurgency in Mexico into terrorism, and now where we truly see them today as a parallel government.

00:05:46.000 And I was working that, screaming at the U.S. intelligence agencies the entire time, saying we've got problems down here along the border, as the Zetas, known as one of the most hyper-violent cartels in Mexico, really, Charlie, changed the game.

00:05:59.000 That is now why they're so violent across the entire nation.

00:06:02.000 So, help me understand, but what makes the cartels different than the Taliban or ISIS is I'm lacking to see an ideological component.

00:06:11.000 There is.

00:06:11.000 Is there?

00:06:12.000 So, what is that?

00:06:14.000 Well, in the last national election, a lot of people are not aware that CNN actually did one of the best workups on this.

00:06:21.000 132 politicians and staffers were killed in the last national election.

00:06:25.000 It is not to control drug routes, it's to control power and have that power. 0.86

00:06:30.000 And then they put their people who they want in charge, and that's why the country of Mexico is so corrupt.

00:06:34.000 Yes, they have to do that.

00:06:35.000 That's the story of women. 1.00

00:06:36.000 They have two women running for the presidency.

00:06:38.000 Are they captured by the cartels?

00:06:40.000 Are they afraid of the help me understand in Mexico?

00:06:43.000 Yeah, you're not going to be the president of the country in Mexico unless you're sided with the cartels.

00:06:43.000 Yes.

00:06:48.000 We learned that under Amlo and look in his relationship with the Sinaloans.

00:06:51.000 So, the cartels, are they at war still with each other?

00:06:57.000 Do they play nice currently?

00:06:59.000 Because, I mean, they're making out like bandits on this place.

00:07:02.000 They're just winning right now.

00:07:03.000 Are they reaping the harvest and they'll fight later?

00:07:06.000 And literally, those are the discussions at the boss level that they are having in Mexico.

00:07:10.000 Like, look, we're all making money.

00:07:12.000 We have some like a great example of that, there's a lot of fighting going on in Mexico right now.

00:07:17.000 But if you ever notice, it's the underlings fighting at the bottom.

00:07:20.000 The thing to watch for the folks at home right now is when you see the bosses and the families start getting hit, that's when the real wars start.

00:07:27.000 This stuff you're seeing right now down there along our border.

00:07:30.000 So, in some ways, it's almost the godfather crime families that are experiencing a detente where they're saying, why would we fight?

00:07:38.000 Let's continue our most profitable enterprise, which is the movement of drugs and people.

00:07:42.000 People right now along our southern border.

00:07:44.000 But one of the things you've got to think about with these cartels is that they're global.

00:07:48.000 It's not a U.S.-Mexico problem anymore.

00:07:49.000 Sinaloa cartel we know is in 54 nations.

00:07:53.000 Are they all Spanish people?

00:07:55.000 No, no, not at all.

00:07:56.000 As a matter of fact, a great example of this is CJ ⁇ G, the most violent cartel in Mexico, Cartel Jalisco, new generation. 0.99

00:08:02.000 They're in 48 countries, and how did they get to power so quickly, so fast?

00:08:06.000 They began moving their dope to Europe and Australia.

00:08:09.000 So, see, here's the problem.

00:08:11.000 This is the story that hasn't been told by the Homeland Security Enterprise to the American people.

00:08:16.000 How can we lose 112,000 Americans in a year, Charlie?

00:08:21.000 How did we get here?

00:08:22.000 There's not a terrorist organization in the world that has killed this many Americans.

00:08:27.000 And yet we have still not even declared them terrorist organizations.

00:08:30.000 And all of that really has to do with commerce and trade with Mexico.

00:08:34.000 Why do you think that?

00:08:35.000 That's why.

00:08:36.000 Trade, commerce with Mexico, our partnerships so cheap or so close.

00:08:40.000 Like Honda-made cars in Monterey or something.

00:08:42.000 I've been working this a long time.

00:08:43.000 That's the real issue.

00:08:44.000 So NAFTA in some ways subsidized the way to cartel hegemony.

00:08:50.000 I think what you just said is so true.

00:08:53.000 How can you have global trade and not think for a second you're not going to have a global crime problem that comes with that?

00:09:01.000 And that's exactly what we're doing.

00:09:02.000 That's so interesting to me.

00:09:03.000 So I'm infinitely curious about the cartel because I know so little about it.

00:09:08.000 Again, my understanding is Narcos Plus, Marty Bird, and Walter White.

00:09:13.000 Like just kind of like how it's portrayed.

00:09:15.000 And there is some sophisticated elements in at least how those motion pictures present the cartels, but I don't know next to anything more than that.

00:09:24.000 So how do we defeat them?

00:09:25.000 Is it possible?

00:09:26.000 It is.

00:09:27.000 I can tell you that if we continue down the road of a law enforcement mission and not designate them and get new authorities to go after them, just look at the capabilities.

00:09:36.000 You know, they're leveraging everything from 40 millimeter grenades, hand grenades, 50 caliber belt-fed machines.

00:09:43.000 That's exactly right.

00:09:44.000 First, second, third, and fourth generation.

00:09:46.000 I mean, we seized our first surface terror missile in Mexico from the Waddes cartel in 2016.

00:09:52.000 I mean, this thing has spun rapidly out of control.

00:09:55.000 And they get their training from terrorist organizations around the world like the FARC.

00:09:58.000 I mean, this has been going on for a decade.

00:10:00.000 So the thing that I have really had an issue with, Charlie, is why is the American people not been told by the Homeland Security Enterprise?

00:10:08.000 So I went public, decided we're doing it ourselves, and enough's enough.

00:10:11.000 We're going to get it fixed.

00:10:12.000 But we're told by Homeland Security that white supremacy is the greatest threat to the American homeland.

00:10:17.000 Can't make it up.

00:10:18.000 You can't make it up.

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00:10:26.000 Entire cities.

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00:11:57.000 So, Jason Jones is here.

00:11:58.000 Can you riff on that?

00:11:59.000 I said, are the cartels popular in Mexico?

00:12:01.000 In certain areas, they kind of have a Robin Hood-type approval.

00:12:06.000 Yeah, Sinaloa was a great example of that.

00:12:06.000 They really do.

00:12:08.000 You know, they've been around down there a long time.

00:12:10.000 And look, you know, there's some hospitals that they've built down there to help the local populace.

00:12:14.000 And look at Christmas is a great example.

00:12:16.000 They'll go around handing out gifts, and then they film everything they're doing.

00:12:19.000 They put it out as part of their propaganda.

00:12:21.000 So the Robin Hood kind of effect is real.

00:12:24.000 And they really try to propagandize that to gain favor.

00:12:28.000 And so they currently look at America as a cash cow.

00:12:34.000 Can you explain how a human being is monetized by the cartel via the border?

00:12:40.000 What is that process?

00:12:41.000 You're absolutely right.

00:12:42.000 You know, this is something that Americans have not wrapped their mind around, that they can truly treat a person as a commodity.

00:12:49.000 You know, I remember talking to a lieutenant within Cartel de Gafo, known as CDG, one of the oldest cartels down in South Texas.

00:12:56.000 And I said, well, how do you know how much to charge for a young girl?

00:13:00.000 And he said, well, what does she look like? 0.91

00:13:02.000 To determine how much money he can make.

00:13:04.000 You know, I broke the story in February of 21 when CDG began putting wristbands on men, women, and children.

00:13:10.000 This is the real story about what the cartels have become because in the old days it was about smuggling people into the country.

00:13:15.000 They didn't care where you came from, Charlie.

00:13:18.000 Today, it's about debt bondage because that person is the gift that keeps giving.

00:13:22.000 So when they cross, you know, in the old days, it'd be $100.

00:13:25.000 Today, if you're a Mexican citizen in South Texas, it's $2,500 just across the river.

00:13:30.000 Never mind how far they moved you.

00:13:32.000 Central American, $3,000.

00:13:34.000 If you're from China, $5,000. 0.99

00:13:36.000 Russian or Middle Eastern, $9,000.

00:13:37.000 Well, most of them don't have that money.

00:13:39.000 So now they're indebted.

00:13:41.000 Yet they're here in our country.

00:13:42.000 Are you saying that slavery still exists?

00:13:44.000 I'm not just saying it.

00:13:45.000 I'm saying that America's new slave trade is here and it is real. 0.90

00:13:49.000 And they're not all sex slaves.

00:13:50.000 The women sometimes are, but they're remittance slaves. 1.00

00:13:54.000 That's right.

00:13:55.000 Via the Walmart currency counter, you're going to be sending 25% either back home or to the cartels, and it almost operates as an annuity to the cartels.

00:14:04.000 And how does it ever stop?

00:14:07.000 Because from their standpoint, you're just going to pay until they decide you're not.

00:14:11.000 This is the story that's not getting out.

00:14:13.000 So what the buried lead here is, but the cartels probably have a better idea of where these people are than their own government because they want their money.

00:14:19.000 So if all of a sudden, if Juan Hernandez stops paying, how do they find him?

00:14:24.000 They had the drug trade down in this country.

00:14:27.000 What they didn't have was this human smuggling into the trafficking trade.

00:14:31.000 And when the Biden administration opened up this border, they sent their operatives across into the country.

00:14:36.000 The interior.

00:14:37.000 That's right.

00:14:38.000 They sent their operatives into the interior and they rode buses that we shipped people all over the nation.

00:14:43.000 And those people's jobs, every two weeks to a month, depending upon the alien smuggling organization they work with, that's how they get the money back.

00:14:50.000 And here's the worst part: every federal law enforcement agency knows it.

00:14:54.000 Many of these people don't have critical skills, right?

00:14:56.000 So what are they going to do?

00:14:57.000 Well, they're going to get into the drug trade.

00:14:59.000 They're going to get into the sex trade. 1.00

00:15:01.000 And this is how, and this is why I've warned about public safety and the threats to this country based on what the Biden administration is.

00:15:07.000 Yeah, I mean, you have to repay a debt.

00:15:08.000 You're going to go steal a catalytic converter or you're going to go break into a home.

00:15:11.000 That's exactly right. 0.99

00:15:13.000 You would rather go break into a home and steal a necklace than have the cartel cut your head off. 0.99

00:15:18.000 That's right. 0.93

00:15:19.000 Or they'll go after your family in Honduras.

00:15:22.000 There's the other part of it.

00:15:23.000 So when you cross at the border before they give you a wristband, where are you from?

00:15:27.000 And they pick up your cell phone and they call your mom and dad.

00:15:29.000 So now they've got you on the other end as well.

00:15:31.000 They've got you on both.

00:15:33.000 And the worst part of this is the Homeland Security Enterprise knows this, Charlie.

00:15:37.000 Why are they not telling the American people?

00:15:39.000 You answer that question.

00:15:41.000 I mean, we all know, but it's horrible.

00:15:43.000 It's horrible what's taking place.

00:15:45.000 The volume of people is millions.

00:15:49.000 So it's $10,000 a day.

00:15:51.000 They're monetizing it anywhere between $2,500 to $10,000 a head.

00:15:56.000 On average.

00:15:56.000 So we're talking about a $30,000 to $50 million cash flow a day.

00:16:00.000 Just on people.

00:16:01.000 Just on people, not to mention the drugs.

00:16:03.000 That's right.

00:16:04.000 So $30,000 to $50 million a day.

00:16:05.000 I mean, this is like a Fortune 100 company at this point.

00:16:08.000 And this is why you just saw what you saw in Ecuador.

00:16:11.000 The strength and scope of them and what these cartels are becoming from Mexico, Central America, and South America.

00:16:17.000 The American public should be brief.

00:16:18.000 There's a reason that we have been working as hard as we have to get these cartels designated because, look, they've taken over Mexico.

00:16:25.000 Mexico, they truly are a parallel government.

00:16:27.000 And Americans watched that happen.

00:16:29.000 Do you remember when they arrested a video Guzman?

00:16:32.000 And what was AMLO, the president of Mexico, forced to do to release him?

00:16:36.000 Yeah, of course.

00:16:37.000 Now, later we ended up catching him, but it was an example of truly the level and scope of how powerful they are.

00:16:42.000 So this is the new slave trade in the Western Hemisphere. 0.89

00:16:47.000 And we're told that it's a beautiful thing happening.

00:16:50.000 How many girls are raped, would you say, in slave trades? 1.00

00:16:53.000 The real truth is we have no idea.

00:16:56.000 But it's significant enough where Americans would not put up with it if they found out.

00:17:01.000 If Americans knew what was really taking place and has been in Mexico, they would be stunned.

00:17:05.000 And this is a real problem.

00:17:07.000 They're going to find out now.

00:17:09.000 It's too late.

00:17:10.000 You see, you're going to hear a lot from these experts about national security, national security.

00:17:14.000 Okay, that's a great term to say.

00:17:15.000 But we've opened the borders to the world.

00:17:18.000 Now it is all about public safety and trying to stay left of boom and protect the American people now.

00:17:23.000 Jason, thank you.

00:17:24.000 This was excellent.

00:17:25.000 We'll have you on again.

00:17:25.000 It's great to be here.

00:17:26.000 It's a very deep topic, and you approached it really well.

00:17:29.000 Thank you.

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00:18:35.000 Joining us now is Neil McCabe.

00:18:37.000 Neil, welcome to the program.

00:18:39.000 We have discussed January 6th quite a lot, and one of the gaps in the story is why was the National Guard response so lackluster?

00:18:47.000 Who was the one that didn't listen to Donald Trump?

00:18:50.000 And why was there not greater protection?

00:18:51.000 This is a key component here.

00:18:54.000 We've speculated that it was Pelosi or Muriel Bowser, but you have a theory and a source for that theory.

00:19:00.000 Please walk us through it.

00:19:02.000 It's one of those mysteries, right, Charlie?

00:19:03.000 Like, what happened?

00:19:04.000 Because nothing made sense.

00:19:07.000 And people looked at it, and there were things we expected.

00:19:10.000 We saw how the D.C. Guard responded to the George Floyd riots, responded to protect the White House.

00:19:17.000 We've seen the National Guard respond to riots and civil disturbances and emergencies across the country.

00:19:24.000 And so why did the Guard not show up until it was dark?

00:19:28.000 And frankly, when I spoke to Colonel Earl Matthews, he told me when he arrived with General Walker, the commander of the DC Guard, the New Jersey state troopers had arrived at the Capitol before the D.C. Guard.

00:19:42.000 And the D.C. Guard Armory is two miles from the Capitol by design because you want that response.

00:19:48.000 The DC Guard does not have a governor because it's a direct report to the Pentagon.

00:19:55.000 And so, my source, Colonel Matthews, told me that it was Mark Milley, General Mark Milley, as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who stepped outside of his legal authority using his sort of the force of his personality and his relationship with the other general officers who, over the years, he had promoted and nurtured and sort of built this cadre around him.

00:20:19.000 So that even though he had no legal authority and no role in the chain of command, these generals were listening to him.

00:20:26.000 And he's the one who told the DC Guard to back off.

00:20:30.000 And in fact, at one point, they were ordered not to cross North Street, which, as you know, here in DC, that's where the FBI building is.

00:20:40.000 So, how far away was the National Guard on January 6th?

00:20:44.000 Are you saying that they were just a couple blocks away?

00:20:47.000 Well, they were given orders not to cross ninth.

00:20:50.000 But in fact, what Matthews told me is that anticipating that there would be trouble at the Capitol, the riot gear and instructions were given to the DC Guardsmen who were tasked with responding so that they had all their gear and everything at their homes so that when the call went out, they would report directly to the Capitol.

00:21:12.000 So there was testimony in the official Army narrative that they were concerned that people would have to go to the armory and then come back to the Capitol and there would be some kind of delay.

00:21:22.000 That never happened.

00:21:23.000 As soon as the call went out, the DC Guard would have been ready to go.

00:21:28.000 But there was a tremendous gap because, say, between one and two o'clock, the commanding general was calling the Pentagon for permission.

00:21:37.000 That permission didn't come until past five.

00:21:41.000 Yeah, this is really important.

00:21:43.000 I mean, and New Jersey troopers made it to the Capitol before the Guardsman.

00:21:47.000 Is that right?

00:21:48.000 Yeah, that's correct.

00:21:49.000 You know, and another thing, Charlie, is that in that insurrection, I don't want to really call it a trial, but whatever that proceeding was in Colorado, there was testimony saying that Trump was, in effect, an insurrectionist, but that testimony relied on the DOD Inspector General's report, and it relied on the official Army narrative, which Colonel Matthews says is flawed.

00:22:15.000 So it's one thing to have a disagreement about what happened that day, January 6th.

00:22:20.000 But now that false narrative is being extrapolated and metastasizing into having constitutional effects, where someone could be actually taken off the ballot based on a false narrative.

00:22:33.000 Yeah, I mean, this is incredibly important.

00:22:36.000 So what do we have to do to get to the bottom and the truth of this?

00:22:40.000 Or is it, unfortunately, do you think that they have sufficiently covered this up?

00:22:45.000 Well, it's like somebody once told me they said, yeah, I hope we find out what happened to JFK before the last person who knows what happened died.

00:22:53.000 You know, it's like I said that too many people are still alive, and that's why we don't know what happened to JFK.

00:23:00.000 I think what we have to do is let's propose that we have a Republican majority in the House and they could have a committee, maybe they could call it a J6 committee, and they could investigate what happened and they could haul people in and they could demand those documents that are sealed up at the National Archives and they could actually find out once and for all what happened because the left is dominating this discussion of J6 because they are literally keeping the rest of us in the dark,

00:23:30.000 Charlie.

00:23:31.000 Yeah, it's so important.

00:23:33.000 And there's aspects of this that I think will continue to come out.

00:23:38.000 And so your reporting at redstate.com has been focused on this particular aspect.

00:23:45.000 Are there other ones where you think that we have not received sufficient clarity regarding January 6th that we need to keep the pressure on, get certain answers from?

00:23:54.000 Or do you think we're close from getting the truth?

00:23:56.000 For example, the pipe bombs.

00:23:58.000 Oh, the pipe bomb.

00:23:59.000 Do we even know if the pipe bomb was real?

00:24:01.000 Now, the pipe bomb, having the pipe bomb there and having the vice president, the vice president elected there, that's all wrapped up in this predicate that the Capitol became a restricted area and that there was, and that the pipe bomb is shown as evidence that there was a terrorist threat.

00:24:19.000 And this is being used to take, send all the grannies to jail and people who are, you know, people who, if they were convicted, they'd spend three months in jail, but they're spending two years in pre-trial confinement. 1.00

00:24:31.000 It's, we have no idea what's going on.

00:24:35.000 And it's so insane that three years later, that this thing would be such a huge mystery, especially when the Republicans control the House of Representatives.

00:24:44.000 And you would think that the Republican leadership, or at least the staffers and the consultants and the people who are running that party, would know that it's being used against Republicans politically all over the country.

00:24:57.000 And candidates and campaigns need to be able to respond.

00:25:01.000 And we're completely in the dark.

00:25:04.000 Why has there been such slow drip from Speaker Johnson on the January 6th tapes?

00:25:09.000 What is the latest on that?

00:25:11.000 I don't have a read on what's going on inside Johnson.

00:25:15.000 My only, just speculating as someone who's covered Capitol Hill, I think that he's inherited a lot of McCarthy's staff and McCarthy's fundraisers.

00:25:25.000 And he basically allowed himself to be plugged into that infrastructure.

00:25:29.000 And he has the idea that if I can ride out this cycle, then I can, maybe I can reboot things later.

00:25:37.000 But this is the same old trick leadership plays, you know, and that's why he concedes on the budget.

00:25:42.000 You know, it's you talk to leadership staffers and they tell you, no, no, Neil, we just want to get this off the table and move on.

00:25:49.000 And it's like they're just conceding things because they don't want to fight.

00:25:52.000 And this is what we're seeing with the budget.

00:25:54.000 And Johnson, Johnson is worried about his majority.

00:25:58.000 But remember, Charlie, Nancy Pelosi had a five-seat majority last session.

00:26:02.000 And look at all the stuff she was able to do without a problem.

00:26:06.000 Why do you think that is?

00:26:08.000 Should we be more like Pelosi?

00:26:10.000 Well, Blaze, I mean, it's like, listen, I can disagree with Pelosi and still respect her as a phenomenal political operative.

00:26:19.000 She ran that majority in such a way that you would, frankly, if you're familiar with how Cicero whipped votes in the Roman Senate, she did it the same way Cicero did. 0.95

00:26:29.000 And he cut deals and he got to, you know, Pelosi gets to 218.

00:26:33.000 She gets to 220.

00:26:34.000 She gets to 230.

00:26:35.000 Once she's at 230, she then cuts loose all the votes she doesn't need. 1.00

00:26:39.000 And she says, hey, I'm giving you a free pass on this one, but I'm going to need you next time.

00:26:44.000 It's very simple.

00:26:45.000 It's how it's done.

00:26:47.000 We haven't had a Republican whip who's been able to figure that out since I don't know when, maybe since the 1920s.

00:26:53.000 So diving deeper into that, I love that point you made, which I have not heard anyone make, which is Democrats had a five-seat majority recently.

00:27:04.000 And we started with, what, three or four seats, right?

00:27:06.000 Three or four? 1.00

00:27:07.000 I don't know, because we decided to shrink our majority because we're a bunch of morons, right? 1.00

00:27:11.000 And so we get excuses. 1.00

00:27:13.000 Oh, we can't do anything.

00:27:14.000 Pelosi got stuff done.

00:27:15.000 She rules with an iron fist. 1.00

00:27:17.000 We kicked out Santos and all this nonsense. 1.00

00:27:19.000 It was actually, it was insane.

00:27:22.000 So is there something in the philosophy of conservatives that we struggle with the administration of power?

00:27:29.000 Or is it that Pelosi is willing to play Machiavellian hardball and blackmail her members and threaten them?

00:27:37.000 Is that the reason we can't govern?

00:27:40.000 I would suggest, Charlie, that conservatives don't have a problem governing, but there's been no tests because conservatives are not governing.

00:27:47.000 It's like Republicans and conservatives are not the same thing, right?

00:27:51.000 Conservatives have found a home in the Republican Party, but we're treated like the guests who stayed too long.

00:27:57.000 And so we're not actually the ones making Republicans, they love Washington.

00:28:02.000 They want Washington to be in control.

00:28:03.000 They want to get along with everybody.

00:28:05.000 They want their kids to go to Georgetown Prep.

00:28:07.000 They want their kids to go to Sidwell Friends.

00:28:09.000 And, you know, they want their wife to get some lobbying job for the airlines and everything. 0.98

00:28:14.000 They think they think Washington's great.

00:28:16.000 And then conservatives show up and just spoil the party.

00:28:20.000 And so, you know, if Johnson was a cons let's find out if Johnson was going to run the speakership as a conservative, I'd love to see it.

00:28:28.000 And I don't think it's ever been put to the test.

00:28:31.000 That is such a smart point.

00:28:32.000 The philosophy that some Republicans have is they might be passively center-right, but it is about lifestyle.

00:28:41.000 You cannot, this is not, you cannot underestimate this.

00:28:44.000 Some people say, oh, you know, they're traders.

00:28:46.000 Some of them are awful people, but it's about the comfort, the lifestyle.

00:28:50.000 They want to support a five to six hundred thousand dollar a year lifestyle. 0.54

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00:29:01.000 And they find a home as controlled opposition.

00:29:05.000 And then you have people like Matt Gates, you have people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, or God forbid, Donald Trump.

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00:30:42.000 So the Iowa caucus is on Monday.

00:30:43.000 How should we think about this primary?

00:30:45.000 Has it been largely a distraction?

00:30:48.000 Where do you stand on where things are proceeding in regards to this primary election?

00:30:52.000 I think it's very interesting that there's so much weight thrown into Iowa, and so few Iowa winners actually go on to be president, let alone be the nominee.

00:31:03.000 And I'm sure you've experienced this yourself, Charlie.

00:31:07.000 The minute the votes are counted in Iowa, that circus can't leave Iowa fast enough to go to New Hampshire and nobody thinks about Iowa again.

00:31:17.000 I think that it's going to be very interesting to see how big a victory Trump runs up.

00:31:23.000 Certainly, DeSantis put all his eggs in the Iowa basket.

00:31:27.000 He moved his family.

00:31:28.000 He moved what's left of his staff there.

00:31:32.000 And of course, Jeff Rowe, who was running the never back down pack, grew up very close to Iowa.

00:31:38.000 He always presented himself as an Iowa expert.

00:31:42.000 And so, you know, does DeSantis end his presidential run in Ohio, excuse me, in Iowa?

00:31:50.000 I think that's a very important question.

00:31:52.000 It'll be interesting in New Hampshire how many Democrats are going to vote for Nikki Haley. 0.99

00:31:58.000 And it's interesting.

00:31:59.000 I didn't think about it until, you know, just as I'm talking to you.

00:32:03.000 But when Biden and the Democrats moved their Democratic primary in New Hampshire to further on down the line, they basically meant that there's no Democratic contest at the same day as the Republican contest.

00:32:16.000 So you have all these Democrats who have nothing to do.

00:32:19.000 So, you know, they're going to be taking Democratic ballots.

00:32:22.000 And how many of those Democratic ballots, how many of those Democrats taking Republican ballots are going to vote for Nikki Haley?

00:32:29.000 So what you're saying is going into South Carolina.

00:32:31.000 This is important.

00:32:31.000 What you're saying is that the Democrats, because the Democrats are the party of the oligarchy, not democracy or whatever.

00:32:36.000 So they basically have this New Hampshire set.

00:32:39.000 Is Trump getting set up in New Hampshire?

00:32:41.000 I don't know.

00:32:43.000 I hadn't even thought of it.

00:32:44.000 I wish that it's, but just as I'm talking to you, Charlie, you're making me think about these dynamics.

00:32:50.000 And the fact that there's no Democratic contest at the same time as the Republican contest, you basically have all these free radical Democrats running around.

00:33:01.000 And also remember, a very strong part to why Democrats have had success in New Hampshire is that they bus in college students from Massachusetts.

00:33:11.000 So I'll be interested to see, and they do the same day registration there.

00:33:15.000 And so it'll be interesting to see, you know, how successful the Democrats are, what kind of effort they put in to bussing in college students from Massachusetts to put Nikki Haley in a competitive spot with Trump.

00:33:29.000 But certainly in South Carolina, which is the conservative firewall, Nikki Haley is going to lose her home state regardless of what happens in New Hampshire. 1.00

00:33:38.000 And the establishment and certainly the Democrats and the media, they have been begging for a primary.

00:33:44.000 And it's been awfully sleepy.

00:33:46.000 Yeah.

00:33:47.000 Iowa, do you think that there is any fear that Trump has been overplaying the polls and a win by 10 might be spun as a loss?

00:33:56.000 No, I think a win is a win, but frankly, there's not a lot of thought goes into Iowa.

00:34:02.000 You've covered Iowa, Charlie.

00:34:05.000 It's a lot of dark driving for hundreds of miles.

00:34:08.000 It's the media hates it.

00:34:10.000 The media loves New Hampshire because it's a quick drive from Boston, New York or D.C. You just fly into Logan, 45 minutes, you're in Manchester.

00:34:20.000 I would say that the first real, where the media is invested is New Hampshire, and Trump is going to win New Hampshire.

00:34:28.000 It may be close, especially with Christie pulling out, and certainly his taking the dive can't be ignored by the Trump team.

00:34:37.000 How can people find your content, Neil, and your writings?

00:34:40.000 Yeah, please look for me at redstate.com and they can find me on GetterX and Truth at reporter McCabe.

00:34:47.000 Thank you very much, Charlie.

00:34:48.000 Really appreciate being on with you.

00:34:49.000 Thanks, Neil.

00:34:50.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:51.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:54.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:34:56.000 God bless you.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 12, 2024

Total War on the Border

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