The Charlie Kirk Show - Trans vs. Detrans: Charlie's Prove Me Wrong Table at San Diego State

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00:02:49.000 Hello, how are you?

00:02:51.000 Hello, Charlie Kirk.

00:02:53.000 It's very good to meet you.

00:02:55.000 So, let me figure out what I was going to say. 0.92

00:02:58.000 So, I've seen this one YouTube dumb that says, Charlie Kirk believes that TikTok is turning children trans. 0.63

00:03:09.000 Do you agree or disagree with the statement? 0.98

00:03:11.000 It is helping turn kids trans.

00:03:13.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:03:13.000 Please explain why.

00:03:14.000 Well, so just I'm asking, just one curious if you know how many is Chloe Cole around here somewhere. 1.00

00:03:20.000 Where's Chloe?

00:03:21.000 If you would know the number, do you have any idea of how many, like how dramatic the increase of trans identification is with youth in the last five years?

00:03:30.000 It's up like 5,000%.

00:03:32.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 That is correct.

00:03:33.000 So, so do we think that TikTok is playing a role in normalizing or finding at-risk autistic kids and making them think that they might have gender identification issues?

00:03:43.000 What I'm hearing for you is that you think that TikTok is taking out the finding these children and exposing them to trans ideas. 0.91

00:03:53.000 Necessarily, the algorithm is just pushing things that people want, and it's obviously very persuasive content for a 14-year-old girl who's having puberty anxiety, shunned by her friends, and might not have a great relationship with her parents, spending six to seven hours on her phone, and all of a sudden, videos start popping up saying, Hey, have you ever felt uncomfortable in your body?

00:04:10.000 Have you ever felt shunned by your peers?

00:04:12.000 Let me tell you my story.

00:04:13.000 My story is: I was 15, and all of a sudden, I started taking testosterone.

00:04:17.000 That's very persuasive content for at-risk youth.

00:04:20.000 Chloe, how much is the increase of transgender in the last couple years?

00:04:25.000 It's been roughly about 2,000 to 4,000% in most teenage girls being referred to.

00:04:31.000 By the way, this is Chloe Cole. 0.86

00:04:32.000 She's a detransitioner, everybody. 1.00

00:04:34.000 So she was sold the lie.

00:04:36.000 Say hello, everybody. 0.88

00:04:38.000 Talk about Chloe and how it plays the world.

00:04:40.000 So, in my experience, I learned about transgenderism through the internet at roughly about the age of 11 or 12.

00:04:47.000 And I mean, I first discovered it through social, through Instagram, through communities that were based around my own personal interests.

00:04:54.000 So, stuff like digital illustration, anime TV shows that I watched, fairly innocent communities, right?

00:05:01.000 But I noticed that there are a lot of users in these communities who were trans-identified.

00:05:06.000 Many of them were young women around my age, around like between the ages like 12 to like early 20s.

00:05:12.000 And I mean, it captivated me because all these new terms with which somebody could like describe their identity with, right?

00:05:18.000 And like the focus just on like self-expression and discovery and community.

00:05:23.000 You know, I was like this young, autistic girl, tomboyish, didn't really feel like she fit in.

00:05:29.000 I had body image issues, and it felt like I found the explanation for her as to why I felt so different from the women around me.

00:05:36.000 That this was it, that I was really supposed to be a boy in a girl's body.

00:05:42.000 Did you feel that they preyed upon you?

00:05:44.000 I mean, at the time, I wasn't really directly interacting with anybody when I first discovered this.

00:05:51.000 It was just that sheer influence of all these ideas coming to me that made me feel as though I was actually supposed to be a boy.

00:05:58.000 But as I started to go further into my medical transition, as I first started on puberty blockers, as I got my first injection of testosterone, and especially after at 15 when I underwent a double mastectomy and my breasts were surgically removed, I felt more and more celebrated the further I went into it.

00:06:16.000 You have a question for me?

00:06:17.000 Okay, well, so what I'm hearing you say is that you that TikTok led you to believe the wrong idea.

00:06:23.000 Social media in general led you to believe the wrong idea, and it also, and that in turn, made you go down a path that maybe wasn't right for you.

00:06:31.000 And that's what I'm hearing from you.

00:06:33.000 I mean, it's beyond not right for me.

00:06:35.000 This has left permanent effects on my body.

00:06:37.000 I might not be able to have children.

00:06:38.000 I don't have my breasts anymore.

00:06:40.000 I have complications from the puberty blockers, the testosterone, and the surgery.

00:06:44.000 That's it.

00:06:45.000 Three years after I've stopped taking all of them.

00:06:49.000 And I'd like to, and I'd like to thank you so much for having a teacher and testing her with you.

00:06:53.000 I didn't expect that.

00:06:56.000 But as I can hear, that, okay, so there are people who do regret their transition.

00:07:01.000 I'm not ignoring that.

00:07:03.000 You here, what's your name?

00:07:04.000 Chloe. 0.99

00:07:04.000 Chloe, you're an example of that. 0.99

00:07:06.000 Chloe, you're an example of how detransitioning happens. 0.86

00:07:10.000 But what I can't say is that this is not, I'm not, this is not at all to detract from your story, but I would say that this case, these cases are not at all as prevalent as you seem.

00:07:22.000 For example, Chloe, you'll have to respond to that.

00:07:29.000 And while it is, it is also, while it is true that I am very sorry to hear that there have been, there have been a lot of complications due to your medical transition.

00:07:43.000 I'd also like to say that these, how old were you when you had these?

00:07:48.000 I was 13 when my puberty was blocked and when I was put on male hormones and I was put I went under surgery when I was 15.

00:07:54.000 This is happening thousands of times a day in this country right now.

00:07:57.000 I see I would I'm very I'm very suspicious about okay, but I understand her a liar?

00:08:04.000 No, that's not what I'm saying.

00:08:06.000 I'm saying that I ha I am trans and I'm on a I'm on HRT right now and I can I'm not sure who who I'm not saying that that isn't common, but I am saying that that goes against I'm pretty sure mastectomy goes goes I'm pretty sure that's not in the trans guidelines of how people should transition. 0.65

00:08:26.000 Oh, it is.

00:08:26.000 No, it's 100% it.

00:08:27.000 Look at that.

00:08:28.000 It's in the WPATH guidelines.

00:08:30.000 They've been lowering the age guidelines for years.

00:08:33.000 Okay.

00:08:34.000 What I'm trying to say, my main point is I'd like to say that you're wrong about these about trans people being being indoctrinated through only through TikTok because as you said, TikTok is based on what is put on there and what is pushed out to the media.

00:08:48.000 Don't you think that people who puts out the media, people who are who actually the people who put out that media are people who are proud to be out and are proud to actually do the things that they enjoy?

00:09:01.000 And that is mainly because there are people who and it's mainly because these people are more, they're more likely to be up because they're not going to be be afraid to harass, and this lack of harassment is what leads to more people being out as trans.

00:09:19.000 So that's what I'd like to say.

00:09:21.000 Do you want to closing Claude?

00:09:23.000 So about my case being a French case, I mean there's entire online communities dedicated to the subject of detransition.

00:09:31.000 About 50,000 members in the official subreddit now.

00:09:33.000 And I've met hundreds of other detransitioners, some of them who transitioned as adults, some of them who went through it, some even younger than I was, going through the medical process and have come out of it with trauma.

00:09:45.000 I see.

00:09:46.000 Physical trauma and with emotional trauma that they're left with for life.

00:09:51.000 Sterile.

00:09:52.000 Without parts of their bodies.

00:09:55.000 I want to thank you for coming up.

00:09:57.000 I want to pray for you that if you all feel pause in your medical transition, it's never too late to stop.

00:10:04.000 So thank you for coming up and we're going to pray for you.

00:10:06.000 Thank you, Charlie Kirk!

00:10:07.000 All right, thank you.

00:10:08.000 I mean that.

00:10:09.000 I mean that, okay?

00:10:10.000 Thank you.

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00:11:18.000 Hey Charlie, how you doing?

00:11:19.000 I'm an econ major myself, and I was just wondering your opinion on the kind of social or the economic and political system in place in like Scandinavian countries like Finland, Sweden, they have like a high happiness index and I was just wondering, I understand you're a hardcore capitalist and I was just wondering like your stances on the social democracy in place and it's gonna be a lot.

00:11:38.000 It's a great question.

00:11:39.000 They do some things really, really well.

00:11:41.000 They actually regulate less than we do.

00:11:44.000 According to the Economic Freedom Index, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark are actually more economically free than we are.

00:11:51.000 They do tax a lot, I'll give you that.

00:11:54.000 One of the test cases is not applicable, which is Norway.

00:11:58.000 Do you know what funds the Norwegian government?

00:12:00.000 No.

00:12:00.000 Yeah, fossil fuels.

00:12:01.000 They have a $1.7 trillion sovereign wealth fund.

00:12:05.000 It's the largest on the planet, basically fracking on the northern part of Norway.

00:12:09.000 So that's its own test case.

00:12:12.000 So it's easy to have socialism when you fund your entire government in that regard.

00:12:17.000 But the most instructive part of the Scandinavian countries is that they used to have incredibly strict immigration, and they don't any longer.

00:12:27.000 And when you have widespread mass immigration, you're going to have issues. 1.00

00:12:32.000 And so, as far as from a budgetary standpoint, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, for years, they had to not pay anything for a national military because we subsidize them via NATO and basically having military bases all across Europe.

00:12:43.000 So they save a bunch of money on that.

00:12:45.000 They had a very homogeneous population, and so they were able to restrict immigration flows.

00:12:50.000 They had a high-trust society, not because of homogeneity, because there are homogeneous countries that don't have high-trust societies, like a lot of African countries.

00:12:59.000 But a high-trust society is a high society where you don't feel like you have to lock your doors.

00:13:04.000 You can, you know, basically leave your kid out in the street when you go shopping.

00:13:08.000 If you think that's a joke, by the way, in Copenhagen, Stockholm, Oslo, and Helsinki, it is common practice for moms to leave their kids outside literally in the stroller while they go shopping or they go and eat.

00:13:18.000 It is common.

00:13:18.000 You see it all the time if you walk the streets of Scandinavia.

00:13:21.000 That's like an unforeseen concept in America, right?

00:13:24.000 So that's a high-trust society.

00:13:26.000 We have a low-trust society.

00:13:27.000 So I think the story of Scandinavia is far more complex than people would give it, but I'll grant you that they have higher taxation and much more generous social benefits than we do in this country.

00:13:36.000 Do you think that potentially lowering taxation, which I would assume you're potentially in favor of, would be beneficial for the Scandinavian countries?

00:13:44.000 Or do you think that their high taxation rates, including everything you just said, is actually like, you know, when they work together, is actually one of the reasons why their happiness index is so high.

00:13:52.000 Yeah, I'm not one to tell them how to run their country.

00:13:54.000 I mean, it depends like what kind of country you want.

00:13:57.000 And so they have a different ethos in Sweden and in Norway and Finland than we do.

00:14:04.000 They do not have like the Swedish dream.

00:14:07.000 They have a belief called tall poppy syndrome, specifically in the Netherlands, but it's also in Denmark, which is that no one is greater than all of us.

00:14:14.000 It's very collectivist.

00:14:16.000 Some people like that.

00:14:17.000 I don't.

00:14:18.000 I want to be able to flourish and succeed and take big risks.

00:14:21.000 And I think that's the best part about liberty.

00:14:23.000 Liberty is not a core value of Scandinavia.

00:14:25.000 So it depends on what kind of country you want.

00:14:28.000 They want stability and they want normalcy and they want, and some of that, honestly, I think we're missing in this country.

00:14:34.000 I think our country is way too chaotic and it's out of control.

00:14:37.000 I think we could learn something about not taking work as seriously in this country, which I happen to love work, but not everyone's wired that way.

00:14:45.000 But I also, one of the other reasons why they're such a happy country is they have low crime.

00:14:50.000 And low crime leads to happier people.

00:14:52.000 It does.

00:14:53.000 You're able to walk the streets at night.

00:14:55.000 You don't have to worry about locking your doors all the time and having these complex security systems.

00:15:00.000 And then finally, it is not fair to say they are only happy because of government benefits.

00:15:06.000 I'm sure that's part of it.

00:15:07.000 But they're also, they have different incentives and different structures.

00:15:10.000 I'm sure if I want to run the audience here, some of you guys want to start your own business and get rich and do all these sorts of things.

00:15:14.000 That's not really a normal Norwegian aspiration.

00:15:19.000 In fact, there's only one billionaire in the entire country of Norway.

00:15:22.000 There's one.

00:15:24.000 We have, what, 485 of them?

00:15:27.000 I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing.

00:15:28.000 I'm just saying when you get liberty, you get inequality.

00:15:31.000 So one of the life lessons is you cannot have liberty without inequality.

00:15:35.000 And if you think you can, you're wrong.

00:15:38.000 And so you have to accept unequal outcomes if you have freedom or liberty.

00:15:41.000 I hope that answered your question.

00:15:42.000 Yeah, awesome.

00:15:43.000 Thank you.

00:15:43.000 And if I could just clarify one more thing: the previous Econ student that came here was, I think maybe like a year and a semester.

00:15:50.000 This is my last semester.

00:15:51.000 And we actually do learn about Milton Friedman, Von Mises, and positively?

00:15:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:57.000 At least my professor.

00:15:58.000 Go.

00:15:59.000 I stand corrected then.

00:16:00.000 That's great.

00:16:00.000 Yeah, but awesome.

00:16:02.000 Thank you for the correction.

00:16:02.000 I appreciate it.

00:16:06.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:16:06.000 Thank you so much for being here.

00:16:08.000 So I wanted to speak on behalf of young women.

00:16:08.000 Good.

00:16:10.000 I'm a Marine Corps veteran.

00:16:11.000 I'm an entrepreneur, a business owner.

00:16:13.000 I've come out of homelessness, overdose, addiction, all those kinds of things.

00:16:18.000 And now being here and also witnessing what's happening in our communities for people that are going through sexual assault, trafficking, free things are being handed out to people.

00:16:27.000 What are things that we can do as the young generation to be able to promote and help people understand that people that are coming across that are illegal, getting their ability to get free housing and get all this free stuff is not actually beneficial for our generation.

00:16:39.000 It's actually hurting us even more.

00:16:41.000 Boy, yeah, we're being invaded on a daily basis.

00:16:44.000 It needs to be repeated.

00:16:45.000 It's 15,000 people a day that are coming across the border that we know of.

00:16:49.000 It is worse than anyone can imagine or comprehend.

00:16:52.000 Look, I just, let's just take one element of it.

00:16:55.000 I mean, a fraction of that number are people that are basically in modern-day slavery.

00:17:01.000 And we're lectured all the time that slavery was the worst thing in the 1807, 1800s.

00:17:05.000 And it was.

00:17:06.000 It's evil.

00:17:07.000 Where's the outrage for the modern-day slavery happening on the southern border?

00:17:10.000 It is indecipherable when you have an eight-year-old that's coming from Honduras that is purchased by a cartel and they're trafficked into this country either for sex or labor reasons and they're legitimately purchased and transacted.

00:17:21.000 I don't see a lot of protests on campus about that.

00:17:23.000 I see a lot of protests against Israel, but I don't see a lot of anger against the modern day slave trade happening on the southern border.

00:17:28.000 Or, and you guys can come take a drive down to the southern border if you want with us anytime.

00:17:33.000 You can go visit the rape tree right there in Nahalis, where every day there are hundreds of women that are brought to the rape tree and they're raped by cartel members and then they're brought across the border.

00:17:42.000 Anyone who comes illegally as a female, they know you better travel with Plan B. Absolutely. 1.00

00:17:48.000 Because you will get raped two to three times on that voyage across. 0.99

00:17:51.000 The Biden administration is subsidizing this. 0.99

00:17:53.000 They are allowing it to happen.

00:17:55.000 It is one of the great social crimes of our time and complete silence from the media and from the activist class.

00:18:00.000 Absolutely.

00:18:00.000 So would you just, would you say that based on college being a scam and anybody here that wants to, and I'm a full testament of this, you can and go be anything that you would like to be in this country, like Charlie was talking about, with liberty, because you don't just get to come out of homelessness and getting out of the military and being stuck in a country in the middle of COVID and not knowing what to do with yourself, but then being able to grow your own business and actually being successful.

00:18:22.000 That can only happen here in America.

00:18:24.000 And so for anybody that, for Charlie, for you, what would you say for advice that you would give yourself if you were someone who wanted to start a business but didn't know where to start?

00:18:34.000 Boy, start a business.

00:18:36.000 It depends on what it is, but look, I think we need more entrepreneurs and more business owners in this country, to be honest.

00:18:42.000 Find a problem that people have.

00:18:44.000 So here's the best way to get rich.

00:18:45.000 It's super simple.

00:18:47.000 Find something that someone's complaining about all the time and then solve their problem.

00:18:50.000 That's how you get rich.

00:18:51.000 Absolutely.

00:18:51.000 Because people are willing to pay money to have their problems solved.

00:18:54.000 Thank you so much.

00:18:55.000 Thank you.

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00:19:40.000 Hi.

00:19:41.000 I'm wondering what your intentions are.

00:19:44.000 Sorry, I'm new to you in this, and I was just intrigued.

00:19:48.000 Hear from different ideas and see where we agree and disagree.

00:19:52.000 Yeah.

00:19:52.000 What's like your purpose, though?

00:19:54.000 Like communication, yes, but like what are what ideas are you trying to bring or like help people understand?

00:20:01.000 Conservative ones, traditional American ones.

00:20:03.000 Oh, okay, like traditional conservatism or like modern conservative right-wing because they like switched.

00:20:08.000 I don't like labels, so you can ask me about a topic.

00:20:12.000 Okay. 0.97

00:20:13.000 I think there's only two sexes, no genders, infinite personalities.

00:20:16.000 Life begins at conception.

00:20:18.000 We should deport all the illegals, right? 1.00

00:20:20.000 The mRNA gene-altering shot called the vaccine killed a lot of people and is currently poisoning a lot of people.

00:20:25.000 Yeah.

00:20:25.000 So these are just some of my opinions.

00:20:27.000 So you think it'll like make the country better?

00:20:30.000 Like what are you?

00:20:31.000 Yeah, I mean, I hope that number one, I want to support our amazing Turning Point USA chapter here where they feel outnumbered and isolated.

00:20:37.000 Number two, we're promoting our event tonight, so I hope you guys show up.

00:20:40.000 Where's our event?

00:20:40.000 It's like in the Montezuma Hall or something.

00:20:43.000 Yeah, it's great.

00:20:44.000 Montezuma Hall.

00:20:45.000 Montezuma, whatever.

00:20:46.000 And number three is I want to see where I might be wrong, strengthen my arguments, and anybody can say anything to me.

00:20:52.000 I think that free speech is the last best hope we have in Western society.

00:20:55.000 Nice. 0.99

00:20:56.000 Okay, then I have a question about women's rights in America. 0.54

00:21:01.000 I just want to hear what you think, like where you think we're at, how you think we could better them. 0.98

00:21:06.000 Just so I know where you're coming from, can you tell me what is a woman?

00:21:11.000 Oh, that's a great question. 1.00

00:21:13.000 I would classify a woman as somebody with a womb and or a vagina. 1.00

00:21:19.000 Sometimes people are born with either one or the other. 0.99

00:21:23.000 Good.

00:21:23.000 We agree.

00:21:24.000 Yeah.

00:21:24.000 So as far as women's rights, I don't separate rights based on sex.

00:21:30.000 So you have to tell me what you mean based on that.

00:21:34.000 Okay.

00:21:34.000 Oh, that's interesting.

00:21:36.000 So do you believe that there's a difference right now in people's rights?

00:21:41.000 No.

00:21:41.000 No, I mean there's male-female differences, but there are no male rights or women.

00:21:45.000 Can you give me an example?

00:21:46.000 Okay, like patriarchy, that's what I'm getting at.

00:21:48.000 Do you believe that we live in a patriarchy and it negatively affects women?

00:21:51.000 No.

00:21:52.000 No.

00:21:52.000 Yeah, so for example, men are more likely to commit suicide.

00:21:56.000 Yeah.

00:21:56.000 More likely to die at work.

00:21:58.000 More likely to declare bankruptcy.

00:22:00.000 Women are far less likely to be in credit card debt, far more likely to graduate from college, far more likely to get a high-paying job.

00:22:07.000 Do you think that the that's a really good point?

00:22:10.000 Do you think that the suicide rates or the depression rates and the bankruptcy rates that you just mentioned regarding men have to do with the fact that men are pushed to be less open about their emotions?

00:22:23.000 They're less available to being able to communicate how they feel with others.

00:22:28.000 They're taught to be more violent and be more physically harmful to themselves and others.

00:22:33.000 And do you think that pushes them towards suicide, depression, and bankruptcy?

00:22:37.000 I think it's the opposite.

00:22:38.000 I think that we're teaching men to be metrosexual versions of their former selves.

00:22:42.000 What does metrosexual mean to you?

00:22:43.000 Indecipherable between a man and woman.

00:22:45.000 Oh.

00:22:46.000 So what's a man and woman to you?

00:22:48.000 What's the difference between them?

00:22:49.000 Well, a man is in, you're looking at a man, and I think I'm looking at a woman, if I'm not mistaken.

00:22:53.000 Nice, yeah.

00:22:54.000 That was funny.

00:22:55.000 Yeah, there's, yeah, thank you.

00:22:58.000 There's characteristics, archetypes, but we have differences.

00:23:03.000 There are significant male-female differences, and I think those.

00:23:06.000 Well, men tend to be more assertive.

00:23:08.000 Women tend to be more agreeable.

00:23:09.000 Innately or taught? 1.00

00:23:10.000 Innately.

00:23:11.000 And I wouldn't say taxes.

00:23:12.000 Innately based on what science?

00:23:14.000 Well, just for example, if we look at artificial intelligence scanned over 10,000 brains using a SPECT scan and was able to determine male-female differences 95% of the time of different brain functions based on basal gamlia, amygdala.

00:23:28.000 Cerebellum.

00:23:29.000 Because interestingly enough.

00:23:30.000 Ages 14 to 22.

00:23:32.000 Okay, 14 to 22.

00:23:33.000 I read a study recently that before the age of 10, brains are neuroscientists are unable to be able to tell the difference in gender based on the brain.

00:23:44.000 But at a certain point, the social implications that children are taught start making them act differently.

00:23:49.000 But it's been shown that if a man or a woman were given the same...

00:23:54.000 Okay, have you heard that men are they have more spatial awareness like in their brain?

00:23:58.000 Have you heard that?

00:23:58.000 I think that's probably true, yeah.

00:24:00.000 Yeah, so we learned that if women are given a month of the same practices as children that men are given or allowed to do, whether it comes to what they're playing, the media they're intaking, like what they're told and how they're told to act, that women have the same spatial awareness ability as men.

00:24:17.000 So we're finding that innately the brain is the same, but because of the social constructs that we're taught on men and women and how they're supposed to act, their brain ability to activate certain parts changes.

00:24:28.000 So by 14, the brain does seem different.

00:24:31.000 You raise kids?

00:24:33.000 Tell me.

00:24:33.000 Have you ever raised kids?

00:24:34.000 No, I have six nieces and nephews, though, men and women.

00:24:37.000 You couldn't be more wrong.

00:24:38.000 If you're even around a two-year-old boy and two-year-old girl, it's not a matter of what they're taught.

00:24:42.000 The girls are running to the dresses, the boys are running to the guns.

00:24:45.000 You know who agrees with me?

00:24:46.000 One of the leading feminists of the 60s and 70s, Gloria Steinman, who wrote Feminist Mystique.

00:24:51.000 Yes.

00:24:51.000 And even she, who is like a hardcore genderist taught, when she raised her kids, she was like, oh my goodness, there is a fundamental innate difference between men and women.

00:25:02.000 And it's not just brain structure.

00:25:04.000 It's testosterone, it's estradiol, it's estrogen production, it is hormone levels, it is all, and I could just prove it.

00:25:12.000 If you sit down with a young lady, they're far more likely to talk about micro topics, and men are more likely to talk about macro topics. 0.67

00:25:19.000 What's the difference between micro and menu?

00:25:20.000 Great question.

00:25:20.000 So if I sat down with a young lady, she'd be much more likely to talk about friends, relationships, and things that are very intimate to her.

00:25:27.000 A young man would be more likely to talk about the weather, sports, or the stock market, or politics.

00:25:31.000 And that's not taught.

00:25:34.000 That is innate into our bioprogramming.

00:25:36.000 What is bioprogramming?

00:25:38.000 How we were designed.

00:25:40.000 What do you mean, how we were designed?

00:25:41.000 I mean, I believe that there's a creator that designed us and that we're fearfully and wonderfully made.

00:25:46.000 And you might not agree.

00:25:47.000 I would just say how you were born, I could even say, just to come to common ground on that.

00:25:51.000 Okay, so the creator chose that men and women have separate roles and it's innate. 0.96

00:25:55.000 Well, not just separate roles, but made differently.

00:25:57.000 And out of being made differently, you get different roles.

00:26:00.000 Right.

00:26:00.000 So if science proves that the other way, do you rely on creator over science?

00:26:05.000 But science has done the opposite.

00:26:07.000 So for example, in a Harvard study, they put 50 women in a room alone and they put 50 men in the room alone.

00:26:12.000 What age?

00:26:14.000 Not relevant, but around 25, right?

00:26:16.000 Relevant.

00:26:17.000 Okay.

00:26:18.000 No, sorry.

00:26:18.000 I'm actually having so much fun.

00:26:20.000 Okay.

00:26:20.000 Sorry.

00:26:20.000 Okay.

00:26:22.000 So if you really, I'm fascinated you think that eight-year-olds' brains are infinitely neuroplastic.

00:26:27.000 But we'll get to that back to that.

00:26:28.000 No, no, when they're like babies.

00:26:29.000 By eight years old, you're already going through school and you've had so many relationships.

00:26:33.000 They're definitely affected.

00:26:34.000 But again, if you were right, John Money would have been proven right.

00:26:36.000 But we'll get to that later.

00:26:37.000 So, which that test has been replicated so many times.

00:26:41.000 And even the Dutch, who are like the most progressive on this, have gotten away from the idea of Tabula Rasa that boys and girls are born similarly with brain differences.

00:26:50.000 But we'll agree to discrete that.

00:26:54.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:27:57.000 But anyway, 25-year-olds were put into a room, okay?

00:28:00.000 And they said, men, what do you think about when they're alone?

00:28:02.000 No surprise, sports and sex.

00:28:04.000 Young ladies, what do you think about in the room alone for 30 minutes just by themselves? 0.80

00:28:08.000 They replayed prior conversations that they had.

00:28:11.000 For the record, no man in the history of the species has replayed conversations that we had and thought about them when we were alone in a room.

00:28:18.000 Like, what conversation, what was this person said? 0.99

00:28:20.000 Women are far more relational, micro, than men, and that's just based on how our design is. 1.00

00:28:27.000 Whoa, I think that you just lied that all men don't think. 0.98

00:28:33.000 That's such a joke.

00:28:35.000 I'm sure there's a man somewhere that recollected on a conversation.

00:28:39.000 Well, I didn't know that in a dialect that's a debate based on science, and you're talking about a study, that would you implement a joke that's based on a trophy?

00:28:45.000 Yes, humor is a tool of a rhetorician to try to get people to chuckle a little levity.

00:28:51.000 So, yeah, thank you.

00:28:53.000 I appreciate it.

00:28:53.000 Thank you.

00:28:54.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:28:55.000 Do you think testosterone and estrogen play into people's ability to have drive, ambition, feelings?

00:29:02.000 And do you think testosterone and estrogen are important?

00:29:04.000 Yes.

00:29:05.000 Okay, so then if women are lower in testosterone and higher in estrogen, and men are lower in estrogen and higher in testosterone, wouldn't that, independent of society's framing, play into the idea that there are natural differences between the two?

00:29:18.000 I think that it definitely plays into the idea that there are natural differences.

00:29:22.000 And I think there are natural differences.

00:29:23.000 I just think to an extent that as a society, we've decided that men, because they have more testosterone and we've known testosterone makes people more aggravated, or what's aggravated, I'll just leave it.

00:29:35.000 Aggressive.

00:29:35.000 Aggressive, yes.

00:29:36.000 I'll take aggressive.

00:29:37.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:29:38.000 That it makes people or men more aggressive, that we've decided that that means that men are not in control of their moral ability or their ability to choose what they're going to do.

00:29:51.000 So it becomes like men have more testosterone, but they still have the ability to choose to treat people better or with less aggression.

00:30:00.000 Like it's not, it's like, oh, men don't have the ability to make those choices.

00:30:05.000 That's almost like downplaying men's ability by saying that they just have to give in to their aggression.

00:30:09.000 I'm not contesting that.

00:30:10.000 The mark of a true man is one who can control himself.

00:30:14.000 Do you think that you could all, do you think there's a problem of trying to turn women too masculine?

00:30:19.000 Turning women too masculine. 0.84

00:30:22.000 What's masculine for you?

00:30:25.000 Well, let's just say not agreeable, forceful, aggressive, aggressive in the best possible term, forward-thinking, more macro, more visionary, less feeling-based, more rational, more yearning towards reason and dialogue, and less towards compassion or the ethos.

00:30:43.000 And what's feminine to you?

00:30:45.000 The inverse of that.

00:30:46.000 So more on the emotion side, less macro, more micro.

00:30:51.000 So women aren't just what men are not? 0.65

00:30:53.000 No, they're different sides of species coin, right? 0.96

00:30:57.000 So you have a human species, you have a male and female, and there's differences.

00:31:01.000 So I could also posit it separately.

00:31:03.000 A woman is more compassionate, a man is less compassionate. 1.00

00:31:06.000 So I could, there's two ways to word it, but do you think that there's a problem about trying to force women to be too masculine?

00:31:12.000 No, I don't think there's a problem.

00:31:14.000 Okay, well, I disagree.

00:31:16.000 We have a crisis in this country. 1.00

00:31:19.000 I'm curious, why do you think that we have so many unmarried young 30-something women? 1.00

00:31:23.000 It's the most in the history of recorded data. 0.99

00:31:26.000 That's a good question.

00:31:27.000 I don't know if I've ever pondered why we have unmarried women. 0.98

00:31:30.000 Why do you think that it's the young women are the most depressed, alcohol-addicted, and psychiatric drug-addicted in history?

00:31:37.000 Is that true?

00:31:38.000 Oh, yeah. 0.52

00:31:38.000 The most miserable they've ever been. 0.52

00:31:40.000 I'm just curious, why do you think that is?

00:31:41.000 Yeah, I guess I would say that I think it's because like the society that we live in, right, like capitalistic, consumeristic, where there's like constant processing and overconsumption that includes like drugs, alcohol, like the overconsumption. 0.95

00:31:57.000 So women going into the workforce a lot could create a lot of depression for them.

00:32:01.000 Yeah, same with men. 1.00

00:32:03.000 Okay, but then shouldn't women, like, I don't know, stay at home and have children and do what they're designed to do? 0.95

00:32:07.000 Men are also have the most depression that they have right now in this country.

00:32:13.000 So you can make the same argument for men that you just made for women, shouldn't they? 0.80

00:32:16.000 I'm asking questions.

00:32:16.000 I'm saying maybe the men are upset because the women that they're trying to date are more interested in taking care of cats and trying to become partner at the local law firm.

00:32:25.000 And they say, I don't want to get married till I'm 30.

00:32:28.000 And maybe that creates a sense of despondency when a young male being raised in this country sees everything rigged against them.

00:32:34.000 So do you not believe that women should be working? 1.00

00:32:37.000 Of course.

00:32:37.000 I think I believe in liberty.

00:32:39.000 I'm just asking, has there been an unintended tragedy where we have the most financially successful 30 to 35 year old cohort of young women in history? 0.55

00:32:50.000 Well, again, the women. 0.95

00:32:52.000 Like men and women are the most sick and depressed they are. 0.99

00:32:54.000 The women are far more depressed than the men. 0.99

00:32:56.000 The men are depressed.

00:32:57.000 But you just said that the men were more depressed, and that's why they're super suicidal.

00:32:59.000 No, no, they're more suicidal.

00:33:00.000 And they're largely more suicidal.

00:33:02.000 So they're more suicidal, but they're less depressed.

00:33:04.000 No, they're more successful at committing suicide than women. 1.00

00:33:07.000 Oh, that's a big difference. 0.95

00:33:09.000 Yeah, women commit suicidal. 0.99

00:33:10.000 Women, no, it's true. 0.95

00:33:11.000 Women try to commit suicide more, and yet women will go through three or four attempted suicide attempts.

00:33:16.000 Men, usually, only one.

00:33:17.000 You can look it up.

00:33:18.000 It's just the way it is. 1.00

00:33:19.000 But I'm just curious, what is it about the 30 to 35 year old female? 1.00

00:33:24.000 Do you think there might be something missing? 0.99

00:33:26.000 Do you think that there's like this biological urge to get married and procreate that we might have been suppressing?

00:33:31.000 Because it is the least child, it's the childless, least married cohort in the history of the country.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, I believe that marriage and reproduction are beautiful things.

00:33:40.000 I do.

00:33:41.000 Do you think we should encourage it more for young women?

00:33:45.000 I think we could encourage like a deeper understanding of people's individual sense of self.

00:33:52.000 And then through that, if people can better understand their wants and needs and become more self-aware about who they are and what they need, that ultimately they would lead them to like better and more efficient decision-making for themselves.

00:34:05.000 Okay, and whether or not that means marriage?

00:34:06.000 Last question, you posited this.

00:34:08.000 How would you define the patriarchy?

00:34:10.000 Oh, the patriarchy.

00:34:11.000 So patriarchy, like the epistemology of the word.

00:34:15.000 Or just like, do you believe it exists in the country today?

00:34:18.000 Yeah, I believe patriarchy exists.

00:34:21.000 Patriarchy comes from pater, right?

00:34:23.000 Pater means father in Latin.

00:34:25.000 So patriarchy is father over or men over.

00:34:29.000 So it's like a men ruling, right? 0.95

00:34:31.000 So we see it in the fact that God or the divinity is represented as men, which was only happened like halfway through the history of humans.

00:34:39.000 So it was like a matrilineal matriarchy society for a while.

00:34:44.000 We see it in the fact that women take men's last name. 0.82

00:34:48.000 We see it in the way that men are viewed, or like men view women, and how women kind of have to adhere to the way that men want them to be portrayed.

00:35:02.000 And I agree with you that porn is, what'd you say?

00:35:05.000 Toxic. 0.99

00:35:05.000 Poison. 0.99

00:35:06.000 Toxic, yeah.

00:35:07.000 And I think that's an aspect of the patriarchy, right?

00:35:09.000 Like, if you go on a porn website, which I'm sure you haven't in a while, but if you...

00:35:14.000 Not in a while, I used to be addicted, though.

00:35:15.000 Yeah.

00:35:16.000 Whoa, could you?

00:35:16.000 I encourage everyone to break free of that addiction.

00:35:18.000 It's terrible.

00:35:19.000 Me too.

00:35:20.000 Yeah, me too.

00:35:20.000 That's great.

00:35:21.000 Proud of you for that one.

00:35:24.000 Yeah.

00:35:24.000 But if you go on a porn website, you can see that like the view of all of the porn is from the perspective of a man and it's of a woman.

00:35:32.000 And these kinds of aspects show that right now we live in a society where it's a man's view.

00:35:38.000 It's men over.

00:35:39.000 So like we're all taking on...

00:35:41.000 Yeah, I thank you for that.

00:35:44.000 First on the porn thing, 85% of people that consume porn are men.

00:35:47.000 So they're obviously going to shoot it in a way that is more attuned to men.

00:35:51.000 For example... 0.75

00:35:52.000 What if it was shooted for women in the middle of the moment? 1.00

00:35:55.000 Then they would change the perspective because they're in it to make money.

00:35:59.000 The same reason why lifetime movies don't have rock and roll music and they tend to be very uplifting, flowery, emotional-based, and hyper-feminine in the writing. 1.00

00:36:08.000 Because most people that watch lifetime movies are women.

00:36:10.000 What's Lifetime Movie?

00:36:11.000 Okay, a Lifetime Movie is like a feel-good movie on cable TV that has a very poorly written narrative and usually ends in some sort of like Hallmark?

00:36:20.000 Yeah, like Hallmark.

00:36:21.000 Yeah, that's the best way I could put it.

00:36:22.000 Got it.

00:36:23.000 But thank you for the dialogue.

00:36:24.000 I appreciate it.

00:36:24.000 Yeah, thanks, you too.

00:36:26.000 Thank you.

00:36:26.000 Good luck.

00:36:27.000 Thanks.

00:36:28.000 All right.

00:36:29.000 We'll take a couple more, then I got to run.

00:36:31.000 And then tonight, Montezuma.

00:36:32.000 Okay, Charlie, quick question.

00:36:34.000 Yes.

00:36:35.000 So if we keep sending billions of dollars to Ukraine, would the odds be high that we would be attacked by an EMP?

00:36:43.000 I don't know.

00:36:43.000 Yeah, you guys should all prepare.

00:36:45.000 You got enough to worry about.

00:36:46.000 An electromagnetic pulse very well might be coming very soon.

00:36:48.000 It's very scary.

00:36:49.000 So I would say that it's increasing by the day.

00:36:53.000 Thank you.

00:36:54.000 Yes, and then any other disagreements and then we'll cut it off.

00:36:56.000 Yes.

00:36:56.000 It's super nice talking to you.

00:36:58.000 I kind of have like a moral dilemma I've been thinking about.

00:37:01.000 I come from a primarily Christian-based home, Pentecost, all that good stuff.

00:37:06.000 And I lived by the border for a while, like super close.

00:37:09.000 And my question is, from like a Christian perspective, from your end, how would you feel, like if you were at the border and you saw a migrant family coming over illegally, how would you deal with that?

00:37:19.000 Would you just kindly don't come, come in from like a Christian perspective? 1.00

00:37:25.000 Yeah, I would send them home.

00:37:26.000 I would too.

00:37:27.000 Yeah.

00:37:27.000 Yeah, I mean, first of all, they're invading and they're breaking the law.

00:37:30.000 I mean, if they're like, for example, if someone's coming across the border and they had a gashing head wound, I would treat it.

00:37:35.000 I'd get them help.

00:37:36.000 Right.

00:37:37.000 And then I'd get them deported back to their country of origin. 1.00

00:37:40.000 I wouldn't try to hurt them bodily.

00:37:42.000 I wouldn't try to be cruel, unusual about it.

00:37:44.000 I'd say, look, you're breaking the law.

00:37:46.000 You're cutting in line.

00:37:47.000 You're trying to squat in our country. 0.82

00:37:49.000 Go apply like the rest of the people from Singapore, Vietnam, Hungary, India, and South Africa have to do. 1.00

00:37:54.000 You don't get to cut in line just because you get to live closer.

00:37:56.000 Right.

00:37:56.000 And I just want to say one last thing in addition to that.

00:37:59.000 I was growing up in that area, you know, it's a huge myth that they're coming over here.

00:38:04.000 They get helped out a lot.

00:38:05.000 Like, I saw it firsthand that came to school with the new Jordans, you know, the new iPhones and whatnot.

00:38:10.000 And, you know, I see my family struggling.

00:38:12.000 My dad was in the military, and it was kind of like, you know, what's going on?

00:38:15.000 And I had friends that were illegal that told me, you know, the government just gives my parents money every month.

00:38:20.000 Yep.

00:38:20.000 Kind of just going off of that.

00:38:21.000 But I just want to say that and thank you.

00:38:23.000 Thank you.

00:38:23.000 Appreciate it.

00:38:24.000 All right.

00:38:24.000 Look, thanks, guys.

00:38:25.000 Appreciate it.

00:38:26.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:28.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:38:30.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:38:31.000 God bless.

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