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00:02:04.000And then the second part, the second and more complex tragedy is that of the shooter who felt that he, she, had no other effective way than to lash out by taking the life of others and by consequence himself.
00:02:20.000We do not claim to know the individual or have access to their inner thoughts and feelings.
00:02:25.000We do know that life for transgender people is very difficult and made more difficult in the preceding months by a virtual avalanche of anti-trans legislation and public callouts by right-wing personalities and political figures for nothing less than genocidal eradication of trans people from society.
00:02:43.000Jack, the Trans Resistant Network is blaming us, is blaming Michael Nose, blaming Matt Walsh, blaming Jack Pesovic, blaming all of us for the massacre of children.
00:02:54.000This is the official statement of the trans organization.
00:03:08.000And in my textbook, that's called murders.
00:03:11.000When you have the murder of Christian innocents, that's, excuse me, that's called martyrs.
00:03:14.000When you have the murder of Christian innocents, that's martyrs.
00:03:17.000But Charlie, I think what is so insane about this statement is it ties into what you were talking about, the trans genocide conspiracy theory.
00:03:26.000And the trans genocide conspiracy theory is spread by transgender activists and increasingly many people in prominent roles, authority roles in the United States, to claim that there are some sort of, I don't know, Jack Posobic and Charlie Kirk death squads going across America targeting transgender individuals.
00:03:48.000It's just not true at all, far from it.
00:03:50.000Even have to take obviously your comments, twist them, and add words and phrases that you never stated to act as if there is some campaign.
00:03:59.000They did the same thing with Michael Knowles when he was talking about the acceptance of transgenderism.
00:04:05.000They said when he talked about that at CPAC, they said, This is him calling for transgender genocide.
00:04:11.000It is a conspiracy theory, and we are going to call it the transgenocide conspiracy theory.
00:04:17.000So, in response to their own conspiracy theory, they've called for the trans day of vengeance.
00:04:23.000And the trans day of vengeance just so happens to coincide with they call it the trans day of visibility that's coming up at the end of this week.
00:04:30.000And then it's about three weeks after Governor Lee down there in Tennessee signed this bill, one of the very first in the nation, banning these procedures for children.
00:04:42.000And so, we're getting some information.
00:04:44.000I've just seen this a couple of minutes ago about the manifesto saying that it was actually images, graphic images that this shooter had drawn of what would happen, these demented fantasies of what would happen when she went through the school murdering children, children, teachers, administrators, going through this Christian school.
00:05:10.000And they said it seemed cartoony, almost as if it was a joke or some kind of funny.
00:05:18.000Like there was some funny aspect to going and killing all these people.
00:05:22.000And then you see in the video, of course, that was released.
00:05:26.000I got to get handed to the police, by the way.
00:05:33.000I mean, the way they're cutting the pie, going through clearing those rooms, the way that they break into teams, the way they're watching each other, complete opposite of the Uvalde response.
00:05:42.000The only thing that I would say, commenting on it, and it's not a knock on the police in any way, but it's you just wish that there had been someone there to begin with.
00:05:50.000You wish there had been someone at the door.
00:05:52.000Yeah, no, I just stand nearby with a gun.
00:06:27.000It's the classic victim blaming, right?
00:06:29.000So this, this, um, I mean, demons are real, right?
00:06:32.000So it's, it's, it's classic victim blaming to say you brought this on yourselves.
00:06:38.000You brought this on yourselves by wanting to protect your children from this ideology, from wanting to protect your children from falling into these surgeries, from having this massive, by the way, financial arm of the United States, this huge industry that is trying to procure more customers for these hormones, hormones like testosterone that get administered, hormones that are life-altering,
00:07:03.000that are obviously Chloe Cole and other detransitioners have talked about this in many cases, the breast removal surgery, the mastectomies, et cetera, that go on.
00:07:13.000So when they say that we are to blame, Charlie, what they're saying essentially is, if you mess with our children, we'll come for your children.
00:07:24.000Because remember, if you understand the rhetoric, and this is that is the trans argument currently.
00:08:17.000And so these are our children, and you are preventing them from getting access to the information, from getting access to what they call trans health care and getting access to the acceptance and visibility that they need.
00:08:30.000With then, if you follow it out, they say if they don't get the visibility, then they'll commit suicide.
00:08:34.000And if they commit suicide, then what you're perpetuating is a transgenocide.
00:08:38.000So just following this line of insanity all the way out, they will then say, you are messing with our children.
00:08:44.000And so if you're messing with our children, we will come for the Christian children.
00:08:48.000This is how you arrive at that point in this particular mental disorder.
00:08:55.000So super quick, Jack, just in the minute and a half we have remaining, just give a little bit more background on the legislative victory that Tennessee had to ban gender mutilation and how this might have played into the incident yesterday.
00:09:09.000So the media, of course, is all over saying this, that this was done in response to the law that was signed.
00:09:16.000This Governor Lee, and of course, the White House also came out condemning this just three weeks ago.
00:09:26.000The White House came out the next day, Corine Jean-Pierre slamming this, even though this was adult-oriented entertainment, including, quote, male and female impersonators from public property has been banned.
00:09:39.000They're limiting it to age-restricted venues.
00:09:42.000A lot of this has to do with trans the drag show where they were bringing children in, family-friendly drag shows, drag queen story hour, and then addition, what they call, and even I'm reading from the Tennessean, it says he signed into law, Governor Lee, a total ban on quote, gender-affirming health care for transgender children, despite calls for him to veto the bill.
00:10:08.000It says they're blocking puberty disorders and hormone treatments to treat, and this is the Tennessean again, to treat any underlying gender dysphoria cause that may affect these poor Tennessee, they didn't say poor, I'm adding that, affecting Tennessee children who identify as transgender and non-binary.
00:10:27.000So you're reading it from this aspect of the children are already this way, and we're just using pharmaceuticals and surgery to help them better identify as their true selves.
00:10:54.000Charlie, I don't think that terrorist acts by a completely insane group should change us ever from our course of following our Christian values, following the values that we know that work for children, for our society.
00:11:10.000And we certainly should never renounce these views or, if anything, denounce the views of our faith just because of some horrific acts that were taken out in response to that faith.
00:11:24.000And when I look at these bills, when I look at advancing these types of things, I think it should be advanced across as far as the country as we can get them.
00:11:34.000Because again, we are talking about bills that are not, they do not touch anything when it comes to over 18.
00:11:41.000We're talking about bills that target children, that whether it becomes drag queen story hours, these drag story times, the family friendly drag shows, and increasingly transgender surgeries, procedures, hormones that are given to children.
00:12:05.000And in many cases, Charlie, and I've said this on Human Events Daily, that when you are given testosterone specifically, every study that's come out has shown this, that it increases aggression.
00:12:20.000And so young men, you learn to deal with this at a young age.
00:12:23.000Well, some guys don't, you know, don't quite learn how to deal with it, but a lot of your formative years are spent learning how to control that aggression and how to understand that you can't just solve everything with fists, right?
00:12:34.000Even though when you're 12 and under or even some of the high school years that you do kind of resort to that, but you learn how to deal with it.
00:12:42.000Well, if you take someone who already is experiencing these unbalanced thoughts, this dysphoria, and then you start giving them this procedure, if you start adding this hormone into their, just speaking from, you know, I mentioned the spiritual aspect to it, and I do think there's a spiritual aspect, but just from a purely biological, chemical science perspective, then yes, of course, we know this increases aggression.
00:13:09.000Have we actually studied what these procedures do to someone's mental state and their level of aggression?
00:13:16.000If you haven't dealt with that on a regular basis, you're going to see those levels absolutely spike.
00:13:22.000And if you haven't been dealing with it your whole life, then it might lead to more unbalanced thoughts.
00:13:27.000It may lead to more aggressive behavior, more risk-taking.
00:13:30.000And unfortunately, like we see here, it may have led to a shooting.
00:13:36.000So, Jack, I want to play a piece of tape here and get your reaction quickly to it.
00:14:19.000Look, we've had guns in the United States of America since we've had the United States of America.
00:14:24.000We used to have a country where in certain parts of the, probably in Tennessee, right?
00:14:29.000Bringing your gun to school, you had shooting clubs, bring your gun to school to go hunting afterwards on a Friday after school was normal.
00:14:36.000Seeing trucks with gun racks, cars with gun racks, the school shootings were not going on in the way they were.
00:14:48.000These movements like the trans vengeance movement, this conspiracy theory of trans genocide being told over and over and over that you need to stand up for your community.
00:15:04.000You need to do something to fight back, fight back against these fascist Christian overlords that are targeting our children with their draconian laws.
00:15:16.000You need to do something to fight back.
00:15:18.000And look, even ABC and Atari Moray and other people were commenting on this yesterday, pointing out this took place just three weeks after that law was signed.
00:15:28.000So it's obviously a clear direct link.
00:15:31.000The manifesto, they've started to describe it.
00:15:34.000I think it should be released in full to actually get an understanding of what happened here because we have to unpack it.
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00:18:03.000So, Chloe, what is your current opinion?
00:18:06.000What should we know about, let's just say, the drugs that are given to children or people that want to change genders, what it can do to you, specifically, whether it be SSRIs or whether it be the generic is really called bupropion or the brand name.
00:18:30.000Talk about some of the drugs that you were put on and the drugs you were put on and the state of mind that you were in when you were prescribed these incredibly aggressive pharmacological agents.
00:18:44.000So I was not only on blockers and testosterone, but I was also on various other pharmaceutical drugs throughout my childhood, including Welbutrin.
00:18:58.000And I switched between various ADG medications, including short-form ones like Adderall and longer-release ones like Concerta.
00:19:10.000And I experienced negative effects from all of them, and none of them had really helped with my actual psychiatric issues.
00:19:24.000The testosterone and blockers transitioning medically with every treatment, There was a bit of a honeymoon period, but this went away after about a year or so after I started each treatment, and I felt worse.
00:19:46.000On the testosterone, I was very prone to getting angry, but it was also, it was easier to regulate myself emotionally on the outside and not really show any emotion outwardly.
00:20:08.000But at the same time, it made it more difficult to cry and to open up about my emotions.
00:20:16.000And at the same time, I felt very depressed.
00:20:20.000And at the same time, I was on about midway through my transition, I was put on Melbutrin to treat my depression.
00:20:31.000And it was a lot more difficult to tell how it affected me while I was on it, but it actually made me very irritable, very prone to emotional outbursts.
00:20:47.000And I went off of it last year, and it took somebody else, my family, telling me that how it affected me to really realize that I was better off of it.
00:21:01.000And I didn't know this until I stopped taking it, but there's actually a black box label warning for use in children and adolescents because it actually I was put on, part of the reason why I was put on it was to treat my suicidal ideation and it actually made it worse.
00:21:17.000And I didn't know this until after I'd stopped taking it.
00:21:22.000So just to make sure that our audience is tracking, you were at a young age when this kind of cascade of interventions began.
00:21:37.000And this particular shooter yesterday was suicidal, seemed to be sociopathic could be one way to blame it, to explain it, because she even thought in her writing she was going to do something bad, and she did it anyway.
00:21:57.000From your experience both with talking to detransitioners and the power of these drugs, do you think that we should probably have an abundance of caution when we are prescribing these antidepressants, SSRIs or Xanax or Zoloft or benzodiazepines, to children especially or people that have other underlying either chemical imbalances or mental issues, given your experience?
00:22:28.000I mean, I wouldn't necessarily describe this person as sociopathic.
00:22:33.000I think it's more so that they were a product of a broken postmodern world.
00:22:38.000I mean, they clearly had some underlying psychiatric issues that weren't being treated.
00:22:44.000And you'll, this person is part of a group of people that genuinely believes that they're part of a larger effort.
00:22:51.000They're victims of a larger effort to be eradicated from existence, from the population.
00:22:57.000And for this reason, you often see transgender activists making calls for violence.
00:23:03.000But I think that this is really only a symptom of a larger issue and that these people aren't the enemy.
00:23:11.000The real problem is the pharmaceutical companies and the medical organizations that are pushing for the treatments that address the symptoms and not the actual issues and cause further distress.
00:23:42.000But it creates almost these actions of what could be called trans jihadists, where people think they're on kind of a holy crusade and they have lied to them.
00:23:53.000So, Chloe, where does this lie of trans genocide come from?
00:23:58.000It is not rooted in fact, it's not rooted in reality, and yet it is repeated time and time again.
00:24:23.000There isn't really any solid evidence to back any of it.
00:24:28.000They push transition as the only means of treating gender dysphoria, and anything else is treated as conversion therapy to try and convert somebody from identifying as their desired sex to their original sex or as a genocide.
00:24:46.000Yeah, and so, but even if that, what is there?
00:24:52.000Even if that includes proper psychiatric care.
00:25:00.000So, what do you think the proper advice should be?
00:25:02.000I mean, so some people are blaming the Tennessee bill for this shooting saying that kids should be able to get pediatric, gender-affirming care.
00:25:12.000You've experienced that and kind of the harsh reality of that.
00:25:16.000Do you think that there should be a continued movement to prevent children from basically being preyed on by these pharmaceutical companies?
00:25:33.000I wasn't suicidal until I started transitioning.
00:25:40.000But the lie that me and my parents were given was that I would very likely commit suicide were I not allowed to transition when before I had not been, I hadn't experienced any suicidal ideation.
00:25:54.000And it's only caused me further distress.
00:25:57.000I've seen this is a pattern that I've seen in other people who have transitioned, whether they're still transitioning or they've stopped transitioning due to regret or having been harmed by it.
00:26:08.000Well, Chloe, I want to compliment you for your courage on this and your conviction, your clarity.
00:26:13.000Chloe, you working on the detransition process is very difficult.
00:26:19.000And I know that you get under a lot of attack for this.
00:26:23.000How many people, if you had an estimate that you know of, whether it be in Facebook groups or otherwise, are currently working through the process of detransitioning?
00:27:00.000And just the last point here, Chloe, what is your response to somebody who says that this is the loving, affirming thing to do for a child?
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00:28:50.000I gave a speech last evening at Texas Christian University TCU about the five fake religions that are governing society now that Christianity has basically folded into a minor religion in the country.
00:29:02.000Unfortunately, it's no longer the majority viewpoint.
00:29:04.000It is the top religion, but it is no longer the top worldview because there's people that identify as nuns, but there's all these fake religions that have filled the void.
00:29:14.000And scientism comes from a German background.
00:29:18.000Mid-1800s, we believe that man's will can change nature, council of experts, committees, and that our will, the will of human beings, it's not about inquiring into nature.
00:29:30.000It's not about learning and understanding nature.
00:29:51.000And the second category, the second bucket, are people that desire to change.
00:29:57.000They desire to use their power to actually go into nature and change the fiber or the fabric.
00:30:03.000Behind the abortion zeal, the zeal behind abortion and the trans movement, it's the same sort of philosophical through line, which is we will be like gods.
00:30:12.000We'll decide when life can come into the world and come out of the world.
00:30:15.000We're actually going to change the actual fiber and the DNA of who you are.
00:30:18.000We're going to change if you're a man or woman.
00:30:20.000It is the complete, it is the dismissal of any sort of divine cosmological order or a logos that governs our existence, but it's man's will that will do what we want to do using quote-unquote science.
00:30:36.000So the Biden regime is filled with all sorts of different five and these five fake religions, earth worship, the religion of power.
00:30:44.000And I went through all of them at my speech and we'll publish it.
00:30:47.000I actually might do an essay on it, maybe even a book.
00:31:15.000Does the president want to use Chip's money to pay for gender mutilation surgery?
00:31:21.000If it's a simple question, I would tell you the simple answer is: we want to make sure that everyone in America has access to the health care that they need, whether you're a child.
00:31:30.000So the president perceives and you perceive that that mutilation surgery is what the child needs, not what the child might want, what the child needs.
00:31:43.000We only comply with the law when it comes to the distribution of federal dollars.
00:31:48.000And so therefore, we make sure that any federal dollar that goes out is to provide the care that medical professionals say that that individual needs.
00:31:57.000To use childhood health insurance money so that kids can get mastectomies, hysterectomies, and jetter mutilation surgery.
00:32:37.000And I want to be precise in my language, but you certainly aren't a doctor if you are putting an 11 or a 12-year-old under general anesthesia and then boring holes in their pelvis and removing their sexual organs.
00:32:52.000Maybe a child abuser, maybe some sort of medieval.
00:33:03.000And that is a priority of the Biden regime.
00:33:05.000And the reason being is that they never want to acknowledge that there is not a thing that has been developed where man cannot exert its will over nature.
00:33:13.000Again, that is the animating incentive behind the abortion lobby.
00:33:20.000That I am able to do what only God was once able to do, which is determine who lives and who dies.
00:33:29.000I am in control, not the sovereign, not God.