00:01:22.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:29.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:49.000I never switched no matter what I did to my body, which was I took an androgen blocker at the age of 26, which stopped the testosterone from working in my body.
00:03:02.000Later, I would start estrogen not long after that.
00:03:05.000And when I was at the age of 30, just a few days before my 31st birthday, actually, I had genital surgery, which I almost immediately regretted.
00:03:17.000And by genital surgery, I mean a penile inversion with scrotal graft, which is they remove everything down there, drill a hole in your pelvis, turn it inside out.
00:03:33.000They use these terms like bottom surgery and top surgery, but let's talk about what they are.
00:03:38.000You know, these are mastectomies and breast augmentation on males.
00:03:44.000And for females, obviously, they have the mastectomies, the hysterectomies, but they call it top and bottom surgery as if to, you know, just to fluff it up a bit.
00:03:55.000But when you say a penile inversion with scrotal graph, that really paints a picture of what it is.
00:04:01.000And to me, all these years later, now I'm 35.
00:04:23.000Richie is just a nickname that I go by, but my name is Richard.
00:04:28.000I've returned me full name, including me middle name too.
00:04:34.000I was baptized, so I've kind of I don't go to church, but I have returned to that core identity because even though I'm not religious now as an adult, I still hold those values and I still find a lot of beauty and sentiment in the Bible, for instance.
00:04:53.000And I think there's a lot of lessons to live by that, regardless if you're not super religious.
00:05:00.000So Richie, let me ask you, you obviously regret it.
00:05:05.000So you see tens of thousands of young people in America that are getting medically mutilated and are being sold kind of everything's going to get better.
00:05:16.000For parents that are watching right now and grandparents that have kids that are entertaining this, what is your message to them?
00:05:25.000My message to them is get them off the internet.
00:05:28.000The internet fuels this addiction, whether it's the phone, whether it's on the computer or whatever, and get them outside and back in reality.
00:05:38.000It's so important that they have an anchor back in the real world and they're not constantly looking on the phones and spending the time alone in the rooms.
00:05:47.000And when it gets to older children, it's much, much more difficult, like over the age of 16 and 18 because you can't do this.
00:05:56.000But if they're under the age of 16 or in some places, 18, I would fully say take that computer out of the room, for instance, have it in a family space.
00:06:09.000It's not something that you can argue with as well.
00:06:12.000And also accept that for some people, this may be the answer.
00:06:17.000But in my opinion, I feel like that is an extraordinarily low percentage of the actual people who do transition.
00:06:25.000And I feel like a lot of people who transition now are either gay, autistic, bisexual, or just a little bit gender non-conforming.
00:06:34.000And they've been robed into this idea that they need to be someone else to fix their sexuality as well.
00:06:41.000Do you feel as if there's been an industry that has almost been created around this from the recruitment to the pushing of the medicine, from the surgery to the operation?
00:06:51.000It feels as almost there's a corporate undertone to all this to recruit more kids to go through it.
00:06:57.000So at the moment, I believe the global sex reassignment industry is set to increase by like 14% per year by 2030.
00:07:11.000That is a multi-billion dollar market and is fast turning into it.
00:07:16.000There's a lot of spending power within the LGBT sphere as well.
00:07:22.000Recent financial experts have, as early as 2022 and 2019, they've put out in 2019, they put out a forecast that the combined spending power of LGBT adults was 1 trillion.
00:07:40.000And it's like that covers a whole wide range of things.
00:07:44.000But there is definitely a market that is being tapped into.
00:07:48.000Is definitely, you know, if you want to see surgeons promoting this, there is a certain surgeon who spends a lot of time on TikTok glorifying all the work that she's doing or the plastic surgery that she's doing, and often on teenagers too.
00:08:08.000And that is quite illuminating as well.
00:08:11.000But the market is most certainly grown.
00:08:16.000And also, there's some interesting stats around the cost to administer puberty blockers, especially in the US.
00:08:25.000If you don't have health insurance, as you know, a lot of things go off.
00:08:28.000But for instance, like the Lupron anti-hydrogen can cost up to $30,000 a year on an uninsured individual.
00:08:36.000It can't be cheaper in a lot of other scenarios.
00:08:38.000In the UK, we don't have those extreme costs, but there is most certainly a market.
00:08:45.000So there's so many other kind of questions I want to ask you, but our time is kind of running thin here.
00:08:51.000Let me kind of close you by close by asking something.
00:08:54.000You said something really beautiful here in your piece.
00:09:32.000And that was embedded in the lie of trans women, which means trans literally means to go across, to become, to go over, which is a Latin term.
00:09:43.000So trans woman means that you literally become a woman, male to female, as I said.
00:09:49.000And even in the transition language, male to female to male still is peddling that idea that you go from male to female back to male.
00:10:10.000Richie Heron, thank you for joining us.
00:10:13.000Very powerful and very courageous of you.
00:10:16.000I pray that you reach somebody out there that needed to hear this about the mutilation and the castration that's happening to a generation.
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00:12:56.000So, Joe, let's make it somewhat simple for some listeners that have no idea what we're talking about, and then we'll go a little deeper as we progress.
00:13:06.000Well, the simplest definition of transhumanism is the goal to merge human beings with machines, both mechanical technology, but particularly digital technology.
00:13:19.000So, the two sides of that, biology and technology, and trying to find the middle ground, not only conceptually, but in practice.
00:13:31.000Oftentimes, they're talking about everything from brain chips to fully conscious artificial intelligence to genetic engineering, in particular, the desire to create superhumans, a kind of eugenic program where instead of selective breeding being employed alone, you're talking about genetic editing.
00:13:50.000Now, one really important aspect of transhumanism as a movement is the religious connotations of all of this, not just opposition to traditional religion.
00:14:02.000But transhumanism is a fully expressed techno-religion.
00:14:07.000It has a creation narrative, it has a salvation narrative, and in particular, more importantly, it has an apocalyptic narrative.
00:14:17.000So, the creation story is human evolution by way of natural selection, which leaves flawed genes.
00:14:25.000And then, the salvation story lies in correcting these flaws and perfecting humanity through technology.
00:14:34.000And then, of course, the apocalypse or the revelation is maybe best embodied by Ray Kurzweil and his prediction of a technological singularity in which the exponential increase in technological sophistication will hit an inflection point, and you'll have self-improving artificial intelligence that has a hard takeoff sort of intelligence explosion.
00:15:00.000And once that happens, it will feed back into genomics, it'll feed back into nanotechnology, it'll feed back into robotics.
00:15:07.000And the vision that he puts forward is that by 2045, we will hit this technological singularity.
00:15:15.000And at that point, beginning at the places such as Silicon Valley, such as maybe Boston, such as Shenzhen in China, we'll hit that inflection point and humanity will be irrevocably changed.
00:15:31.000We will be transhuman, humans that have been transformed, humans that have transcended their biological inheritance, humans that are ultimately not human in the end, they're post-human.
00:15:45.000So that's the short version of what transhumanism is.
00:15:48.000And there are a lot of different thinkers to crib a way of putting it: there are as many predictions as there are stars in the sky, right?
00:15:58.000Like it's, you know, or to put it another way, maybe, the predictions are as confident as they are diverse.
00:16:06.000So transhumanists are not some monolithic block, but all of them are pointing towards the merging of human beings with technology.
00:16:15.000And they say we are well into that process.
00:16:18.000And I think anyone who is near anyone addicted to their cell phones or reliant utterly on technology of any form can see how that kind of human-machine hybrid or human AI symbiosis has already begun.
00:16:35.000Is the transgender movement part of this to condition us to almost want to metamorphosize or kind of strip ourselves of our created being into something beyond ourselves?
00:16:50.000Yeah, I mean, you know, beyond the etymological root, the trans root, it is absolutely a conditioning process.
00:16:58.000Now, how intentional that is, how happenstance that is, I won't speculate at least here.
00:17:04.000But you have people such as Martine Rothblatt, who was a founder of SiriusXM, is transgender from male to female.
00:17:16.000She wrote a book, or he wrote a book, or however you want to put it, called, I believe it's from Transgender to Transhuman.
00:17:26.000It was published somewhere around 2011.
00:17:29.000And in that book, Rothblatt argues that the initial phases will be things like transgenderism, where you are literally taking the human being and altering the fundamental makeup of the human being by way of advanced technology, biomedical technology, and that in the end, this will lead to far more dramatic transformations so that you do end up with things like brain chips or nanobots, depending on how they were to accomplish it,
00:17:59.000linking the human mind to artificial intelligence, which from a spiritual standpoint is linking the human soul to a sort of dead artificial digital deity.
00:18:11.000So you look at the transgender movement as it appears now, and I think that you really do get a good preview of what ultimately transhumanism is already, but will be, which is a very lofty goal, a very arrogant goal, one that has no problem whatsoever with blasphemy, and one that looks very hideous to the outside world to normal people.
00:18:37.000Whereas inside, you know, there's this beautiful conception.
00:18:42.000So yes, transgenderism and transhumanism are running side by side down this highway into the future.
00:18:52.000So there's the kind of tech oligarchs, if you will, it almost as if this is a this is they they all believe this is going to happen no matter what, that the resistance is futile, to use your kind of Borg analogy.
00:19:06.000But these predictions have a tendency not to always come true.
00:19:11.000Maybe the merging of a machine and a human being isn't as seamless as they would think.
00:19:17.000Can you talk a little bit about the contrarian point of view, which would be this is probably a really bad idea that is probably going to be far messier with more casualties than you could ever imagine.
00:19:30.000And in fact, we shouldn't even be entertaining this at all.
00:19:35.000Yeah, you know, the first introduction I had to transhumanism as a really fleshed out concept was about 20, 21 years ago with Ray Kurzweil's The Age of Spiritual Machines, in which he argued that in the very near future, you would see artificial intelligence surpass human intelligence and then eventually get to the point where it was hundreds of times, then millions of times,
00:20:02.000then trillions of times faster with greater memory, basically infinite memory and infinite breadth as far as the data that can be collected.
00:20:12.000And he set out a timeline in that book, you know, beginning with 2009 and then 2019 and then so on and so forth up to 2099.
00:20:23.000So from 2022, we can look back at 2009, 2019 and see what he got right and what he got wrong.
00:20:30.000Now, there's far more that he got right than got wrong.
00:20:35.000And what he got right should give everyone pause as to where all of this is going, because it isn't just a series of predictions.
00:20:43.000It's a way of shaping the future by way of those predictions.
00:20:46.000He sets out goals for people to achieve.
00:20:49.000So he thought that we would have ubiquitous screens by 2019.
00:20:54.000He foresaw what we now call the metaverse, you know, with ubiquitous virtual reality and augmented reality.
00:21:00.000He thought that genetic engineering and gene editing would be fairly normal by now.
00:21:05.000And he thought that artificial intelligence would be a bit beyond where it is now.
00:21:10.000So he did overreach with a lot of his predictions, but not enough of them for me to be comfortable with.
00:21:17.000So when you get to 2099, you're talking about these sort of extravagant visions of, you know, fully conscious, godlike artificial intelligences, which he describes in these sort of terms, right, as deities that we would be basically forced to merge with because they would have so far surpassed us.
00:21:37.000But I don't think that anything like that is necessarily going to happen, at least not in its specifics.
00:21:41.000What I do think is happening right now is that you do have this technological elite that holds some version of these transhumanist ideas.
00:21:51.000And they don't just simply control the development of technology through the dissemination of things like smartphones, social media, the reliance on search results, the reliance on digital technology in general in order to think and function.
00:22:06.000What you have is you have a situation set up in which these tech elites really do control the minds and decisions of people in society.
00:22:19.000And so I don't think it's necessarily useful to get hung up on the specifics insofar as what they get right and what they get wrong.
00:22:28.000It's very important to note, especially in noting what they get wrong and especially noting all the unintended consequences and how ugly they are.
00:22:37.000But I also think it's important to look at these predictions as sort of predictive programming, to use a term very popular in conspiracy circles.
00:22:45.000It's basically a preparation for the human psyche to accept the reality of artificial intelligence making decisions for you.
00:22:54.000The reality of designer babies, the reality of bionic implants, or even just simply wearable technologies, sort of internet of bodies to be surveilled and monitored at all times and to have your decision making controlled by the technology.
00:23:10.000So I think it's both important to look at the prediction, but also important to look at the overall vision of where they want this to go, because that is what is being pushed by the so-called transhumanist agenda.
00:24:17.000It's called the transhumanist movement.
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00:25:25.000So, Joe, what can everyday people do to push back against this?
00:25:28.000Do you feel as if the message is adequately getting out or do you think it's still on the fringes?
00:25:33.000I think that the message of, I think that the consciousness of transhumanism as a force in our lives is fairly widespread due to science fiction or even the more kind of conspiratorial takes on it.
00:25:51.000But I don't think that it's nearly powerful enough to push back in any meaningful way at this point.
00:25:58.000It's pretty obvious the degree of control that the tech corporations have over our lives and politics.
00:26:06.000And even culturally, it's very easy for me to talk about how evil or destructive transhumanism is while I wear AirPods and speak to you through an iPad, right?
00:26:18.000So these technologies have been normalized in our lives and we have become in some sense hybridized with them.
00:26:25.000So I don't think that the pushback is nearly strong enough.
00:26:29.000And part of it is there's no real kind of clear or rational conception of what it is, let alone a clear or rational alternative to the state of affairs.
00:26:41.000What has happened, on the other hand, is that you have these sort of fringe transhumanist ideas that were being put forward really for decades by intellectuals in the kind of far corners of academia or the tech sector or even the government and really especially the military.
00:26:58.000And that has risen to the surface with things like Klaus Schwab's book, The Fourth Industrial Revolution, or the popularity of people like Yuval Noah Harari in his book, Homo Deus, and a number of other figures.
00:27:12.000So there is actually, I think, a real deep consciousness of transhumanism among not only the kind of hardcore intellectual proponents, but also the wider society that's accepting of this.
00:27:22.000Whereas on our side of the aisle, to the extent that I can claim you, Charlie, as a fellow traveler against all this, on our side of the aisle, it either descends into kind of nonsensical fantasies about where we're at now with nanobots and the vaccines, things like this, or it's just, you know, it's kind of something you might hear on occasion in a church with a minister who has just come across this information, but is still struggling.
00:28:10.000What you're talking about with transhumanism is an orientation towards technology as savior.
00:28:16.000And I think that a spiritual orientation to a transcendent, supernatural sort of realm of existence is far more natural to the human being and the human state of affairs.
00:28:26.000And I think ultimately that's the real grounding in reality.
00:28:30.000But there's also naturalistic arguments against this too, right?
00:28:33.000People who believe that there is no God, that evolution created us, but that arrogantly tinkering with that process is extremely destructive.
00:28:40.000But yes, I think that's ultimately the very first step.
00:28:43.000After that, it will have to definitely move outward to social norms and cultural barriers.
00:28:48.000And then after that, I think it will have to be enshrined in law.
00:28:51.000But that's probably way farther off than I would like to think.
00:28:54.000Yeah, and I mean, I'm going to just be a skeptic in one sense.
00:28:57.000I just, I don't think it's going to be as easy as they say it is to merge man and machine.
00:29:03.000I'm not saying they can't get it done.
00:29:05.000I think that some form of singularity outside of the merge of man and machine, I think that's much more realistic.
00:29:11.000It seems as if that's trending to have some sort of a computer that knows it's a computer or whatever, to use an example.
00:29:17.000But to actually get a piece of artificial and synthetic technology to merge seamlessly into the infinitely complex, created, I believe created, not evolved being, good luck.
00:29:31.000I mean, these prognosticators, they're wrong about a lot of things, right?
00:29:37.000MRNA vaccine technology, all this stuff.
00:29:39.000And if all of a sudden you're supposed to be like, yeah, I'm going to drill a hole in your head, Elon Musk, of which I think he's right on some stuff, but he's so wrong on, and he's dangerous on this stuff, very dangerous.
00:29:48.000And I'm going to drill a hole in your head and it's all going to be fine.
00:29:52.000Yeah, you guys can't get energy to Western Europe right now.