The Charlie Kirk Show - Trump 2.0 is Winning + Is the CCP Advancing?

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 Patrick Bet-David joins the show about President Trump, the future of the Democrats, and more.

00:00:08.000 Super smart analysis from my friend, PBD, Patrick Bet-David.

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00:00:22.000 We also have Joshua Phillip around the Chinese Communist Party.

00:00:25.000 Are they going to move on Taiwan?

00:00:27.000 What is the latest with the CCP's infiltration of America?

00:00:31.000 That and more.

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00:00:43.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:44.000 Here we go.

00:00:45.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:00:55.000 I want to thank Charlie.

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00:01:43.000 We're going to dive right into it with a legend and a great friend, someone who is one of the most important voices on the planet, and that is Patrick Bett David, my friend PBD.

00:01:55.000 PBD, great to see you.

00:01:57.000 The audience loves hearing from you, and I'm glad that we could have you to kick off the show today.

00:02:01.000 How are you doing, my friend?

00:02:02.000 I'm doing great.

00:02:03.000 How are you doing?

00:02:04.000 Very good.

00:02:04.000 Thank you.

00:02:05.000 Congrats on the 13 years.

00:02:07.000 Thank you.

00:02:07.000 That's a big deal.

00:02:08.000 I know.

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00:02:18.000 I know it's very important to you, and in many states you can do that.

00:02:22.000 I'm very happy for you.

00:02:24.000 Thank you.

00:02:24.000 It's an amazing journey that we've been on, and just to see how the Lord has blessed us and to see the impact that we've been able to make.

00:02:32.000 PBD, I want to get your take, because you have a way of analyzing things and synthesizing them so crisply.

00:02:38.000 What do you make of President Trump's first couple of months, the state of the country, the state of the Republican Party, and Trump 2.0?

00:02:46.000 So, you know...

00:03:01.000 You know, it's better to under-promise and over-deliver instead of over-promise and under-deliver.

00:03:07.000 Every once in a while, we get a leader that is willing to have the brass to put his name on the line.

00:03:13.000 Where you make promises.

00:03:16.000 Based on a vision that you have, that you want to have it come through.

00:03:20.000 Day one, we're going to have peace and I'm going to end the war in Russia and Ukraine.

00:03:23.000 Didn't happen.

00:03:24.000 Day one, Israel, Hamas, you know, hasn't happened yet. 0.89

00:03:28.000 You know, Epstein, 9-11, you know, John F. Kennedy, all of these things.

00:03:33.000 I think he put such a burden on himself of trying to come through and do everything for the American people that they voted for him.

00:03:43.000 After what happened, the greatest comeback ever in politics.

00:03:45.000 We've never seen anything like this ever before.

00:03:48.000 Never.

00:03:48.000 Not in baseball, not in sports, not hockey, not in anything.

00:03:52.000 This is, I believe, the greatest comeback we've ever seen.

00:03:54.000 Everybody wrote him off.

00:03:55.000 A lot of people wrote him off.

00:03:57.000 So he came back and he said, I'm going to do something that we've never seen before.

00:04:01.000 And everybody rallied behind him.

00:04:02.000 You know how I feel about you?

00:04:03.000 I call you the combination of you're a once-in-a-generation type of a guy.

00:04:09.000 I said on a show the other day that I think you're what – And I say this behind your back all the time to everybody because I really believe in that with you.

00:04:22.000 So when you do that, you put a lot of pressure on yourself.

00:04:26.000 Now, this isn't like he said that and he's taking three months off and he's just kind of celebrating, going on talk shows, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, all these other shows.

00:04:36.000 Such a good point.

00:04:37.000 Let me tell you, how does it feel that you did this?

00:04:41.000 He's not doing that.

00:04:41.000 He's getting to work right off the bat, right?

00:04:43.000 So, yes, there's going to be some challenges, some good, some bad, and ugly.

00:04:47.000 Let's go through some of the good.

00:04:48.000 The good.

00:04:48.000 Borders.

00:04:49.000 Done.

00:04:50.000 You know, WAPO.

00:04:51.000 Hey, what's going on?

00:04:52.000 It's a very rare reason why fentanyl cases have dropped and all this safety, security, confidence, you know, kids, school, colleges getting their act together, DEI being gone by companies that you thought would never get rid of it, like ESG.

00:05:09.000 you know, BlackRock dropping some of their ESG commitments that they had.

00:05:13.000 BlackRock, BlackRock was seen as the company that would go do a bunch of But there's still a lot of issues that we've got to address, Charlie, that is not there yet.

00:05:32.000 And he's having to negotiate a lot of deals.

00:05:35.000 When you're running a business and you're negotiating five real estate deals, That's a lot.

00:05:40.000 And, you know, he probably was able to handle it.

00:05:42.000 But he's negotiating 150, 200 deals right now.

00:05:47.000 And he's probably feeling it.

00:05:48.000 That's my opinion.

00:05:49.000 Now, of course, he's got a great team.

00:05:50.000 They're working well together.

00:05:52.000 They seem united.

00:05:53.000 There's not been that much of a disruption.

00:05:55.000 Yeah, a little bit of walls, but not that much of a disruption.

00:05:58.000 Even Musk, oh my God, he's stepping down.

00:06:00.000 They said it's only going to be 100 days.

00:06:01.000 So the people that know, they're not really surprised by it.

00:06:04.000 But it's not there yet.

00:06:07.000 We still have some work to do.

00:06:09.000 I think you make a super smart point that I've not heard anyone articulate the way that you just said it, which is that President Trump could have kind of created his own slow motion honeymoon period.

00:06:20.000 He could have just kind of taken it easy, enjoyed it.

00:06:25.000 And honestly, that is the caricature the left always likes to paint of Donald Trump.

00:06:28.000 That he's lazy and he doesn't work very hard and he's going to be on his second term.

00:06:34.000 He's just going to kind of golf all the time.

00:06:37.000 It's the opposite.

00:06:38.000 He has decided consciously to work harder than ever and to work with a rapidity and a velocity that we've never seen before.

00:06:47.000 You mentioned President Trump's team.

00:06:49.000 And I want to ask you, PBD, I think you're uniquely positioned to comment on this.

00:06:53.000 Because you are very, very supportive of Elon Musk, of what he did of purchasing Twitter, and all he did to help save Western civilization.

00:07:01.000 What do you make of the dynamic currently between President Trump and Elon Musk?

00:07:05.000 I was concerned of that in last October when I said, you're going to see them calling Elon President Musk and they're going to call him the puppet master and all this stuff with Time magazine.

00:07:15.000 And then, you know, two months later, that's exactly what happened.

00:07:18.000 But you have to also realize that, you know, one of the.

00:07:29.000 So imagine if you, let's think devil's advocate here.

00:07:33.000 If you wanted to find a way to pin Musk and Trump against each other, what would you do?

00:07:37.000 You'd get a bunch of people to get in Musk's ear to say, look, I don't know if he appreciates you enough.

00:07:44.000 You know, if laws were different, you would really be able to get the entire job done because you could have been the president.

00:07:51.000 They should change the laws because you should be the president.

00:07:53.000 You would do a better job.

00:07:54.000 You would do this.

00:07:55.000 You don't think there's people like that in Musk's ear?

00:07:57.000 I have to believe there is.

00:07:59.000 Now, depending on where Musk's at, Musk's so well battle-tested, more than probably two people above him that are battle-tested, maybe one person that's been battle-tested more than him, and that's the president, where he knows those games.

00:08:13.000 He knows manipulation and gamification.

00:08:16.000 But, you know, Musk thinks very highly of himself as well.

00:08:18.000 He's a very ambitious man.

00:08:19.000 He's a very confident man.

00:08:20.000 I do think he played a very important role in his commitment to what he did in Pennsylvania and willing to put the money behind it and getting to work and knowing the fact that it was going to affect his companies that he owns a bunch of equity in and his network was going to take a hit.

00:08:32.000 And, you know, Tesla, what happened to his cars and all this stuff.

00:08:35.000 It was a very, very big risk he took.

00:08:38.000 He may go down in the history books as the entrepreneur, the wealthiest man ever that took the biggest risk.

00:08:45.000 If you go back and look at Billy Graham, when he first became a very public supporter of Richard Nixon, he talks about it in many of his books, that it was a challenging thing, and he became a little bit more hesitant about getting behind presidents because of what happened between him and Nixon.

00:08:59.000 That's very well documented, where people can read about.

00:09:02.000 But I thought this was necessary.

00:09:04.000 I love the fact that the president is staying America first.

00:09:07.000 I love the fact that, you know, Elon is actually going to be out as an advisor and kind of give feedback because we need that little bit of the friction and the noise.

00:09:17.000 I kind of like that.

00:09:18.000 I love the fact that he's saying the big, beautiful bill.

00:09:21.000 It can't be big and beautiful because we need a little bit of contradiction and a little bit of debate for people to kind of see what is Speaker Johnson saying, what are these folks saying, you know.

00:09:45.000 As a voter, I want that debate.

00:09:48.000 As a voter who's sitting on a board, the voter is the chairman of the board, right?

00:09:53.000 The chairman of the board, who's a voter, is sitting there seeing these debates taking place, and he's saying, okay, good point.

00:09:59.000 I wonder, what do you think about it, Elon?

00:10:02.000 Da-da-da-da. 0.81

00:10:02.000 Oh, wow. 0.81

00:10:02.000 What do you think about it, Mr. Lutnik? 0.81

00:10:04.000 And what do you think about it, Mr. Besant?

00:10:06.000 What do you think about it?

00:10:07.000 And then we're able to sit there and say, what does Charlie think about it?

00:10:10.000 What does the market think about it?

00:10:11.000 What do these guys think about it?

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00:11:05.000 This is some breaking news.

00:11:07.000 As we're here right now, this is cut 408, President Trump on Elon, and I want to get your reaction to this.

00:11:12.000 Play cut 408, please.

00:11:14.000 He said the most beautiful things about me.

00:11:16.000 And he hasn't said bad about me personally, but I'm sure that'll be next.

00:11:20.000 But I'm very disappointed in Elon.

00:11:22.000 I've helped Elon a lot.

00:11:25.000 PBD, what is your take on what you just heard from President Trump and that kind of back and forth with Elon saying he's very disappointed?

00:11:34.000 I'm not surprised that I'm seeing that, and I think that's going to continue.

00:11:38.000 I think that's going to continue for the next three, three and a half years.

00:11:41.000 Look, here's—think about it from the lens of Elon.

00:11:44.000 Think about it from the lens of President Trump.

00:11:46.000 Okay, let's process both.

00:11:47.000 One is running businesses, and in his eyes, sacrificed every one of his businesses to help the president win.

00:11:55.000 In his eyes, I'm convinced he believes that the president doesn't win without Elon.

00:12:00.000 And I think a lot of people probably would agree with that.

00:12:02.000 This is— Looking at it from the lens of Elon Musk, thinks very highly of himself.

00:12:07.000 He knows he's the modern-day Iron Man.

00:12:09.000 You know, the guy who runs multi, multi, multi-billion-dollar companies.

00:12:13.000 It's already hard enough to run a million-dollar company, a billion-dollar company, and I imagine you're running five, six multi-billion-dollar companies.

00:12:20.000 Not easy to do.

00:12:21.000 He's one of a kind, and he's one of one.

00:12:23.000 He's probably going to go into history books as one of one.

00:12:25.000 I don't even know if it's going to compare to Carnegie's and all these other guys.

00:12:28.000 This guy built something very special.

00:12:31.000 On the other side, let's go to the president.

00:12:34.000 This guy lost all the incredible life that he had, personal life that he had, partying with everybody.

00:12:43.000 Hip-hop loved him.

00:12:45.000 Hollywood loved him.

00:12:47.000 Joy Behar loved him.

00:12:49.000 Oprah loved him.

00:12:50.000 You know, everybody loved this guy.

00:12:53.000 Everybody wanted to have dinner with him.

00:12:55.000 Everybody wanted to be around him.

00:12:56.000 Everybody wanted to have I'm not saying he didn't have enemies, but it was that name.

00:13:03.000 So imagine you go from having that incredible life where you're going to live your life forever.

00:13:09.000 Restaurants, food, everybody you go have dinner with.

00:13:11.000 Then all of a sudden you want to go out there and become a president?

00:13:13.000 Why do you want to do that?

00:13:15.000 And the moment he walks down the escalator and boom, everybody bashes him.

00:13:19.000 And then he goes and they attack him the second term when, you know, Biden 2020, what happened there?

00:13:25.000 Everybody's like, oh my God, all this stuff.

00:13:27.000 And then you come back.

00:13:28.000 You almost die.

00:13:29.000 They try to take you out multiple times.

00:13:32.000 You dodge it.

00:13:33.000 Fight, fight, fight.

00:13:34.000 You stand up.

00:13:35.000 And you get through that and you become a president.

00:13:37.000 You win seven battleground states.

00:13:40.000 And pretty much every county flips more Republican.

00:13:42.000 Every state flips more Republican.

00:13:44.000 I'm sorry.

00:13:45.000 That is called doing the impossible.

00:13:48.000 And if today we're sitting here having this conversation, Charlie, if Kamala would have become president.

00:13:55.000 If Biden is president today, he would have stepped down, Kamala would have been a president, but either way, Kamala would have ended up being a president.

00:14:01.000 If that's the case today, DEI continues, ESG continues, climate change continues, border stays open, crime is up.

00:14:13.000 It is a very, very scary place for America.

00:14:17.000 So I just...

00:14:32.000 I said, listen, in every family there's got to be a one number one, and you can never undermine the one number one.

00:14:38.000 You can have disagreements, but there's got to be one number one.

00:14:41.000 In this case, President Trump is the alpha amongst alphas, and that needs to be clear to everybody.

00:14:49.000 There is not a bigger alpha than Trump.

00:14:51.000 And as long as we know that in this setting, and that includes Elon Musk, that he knows that, we can have disagreements on issues, but if that goes away and we become competitive and all this other stuff, we forget the sacrifices that President Trump made, I think we're going to have a lot of problems in the next three and a half years.

00:15:10.000 So let's talk about the state of the Democrat Party.

00:15:12.000 You have a way of seeing things before they happen, PBD and Trump.

00:15:18.000 Your show is not necessarily just a political show.

00:15:20.000 You have a lot of different voices and a lot of different perspectives.

00:15:24.000 Where is the Democrat Party going from here?

00:15:26.000 Are we going to see an adjustment from them on the trans issue, on the border?

00:15:31.000 They're trying to reach out to young men.

00:15:32.000 What is the state of the Democrat Party?

00:15:35.000 So here's the problem in life.

00:15:37.000 Whenever you watch somebody, a person can be a better smack talker.

00:15:41.000 A person can be louder, better at marketing, whatever it may be.

00:15:45.000 But if you don't know what your values and principles are, your core values and principles, you're not really going to get people that are deep-rooted in who you are as an individual.

00:15:56.000 So I used to make content about business for many years.

00:15:58.000 People loved it.

00:15:59.000 But it was more like, hey, man, you really helped my business grow.

00:16:02.000 You really helped my business grow.

00:16:03.000 You really helped my business grow.

00:16:04.000 Until I started really talking about important issues, politics, family, marriage, Iran, taxes.

00:16:09.000 Then they're like, hey, I'm now committed into...

00:16:15.000 The Democratic Party right now, they don't know what they stand for.

00:16:18.000 They spent $20 million on this taco campaign and trying to talk about, you know, President Trump to get under his skin.

00:16:25.000 You think you're going to get under that guy's skin?

00:16:27.000 You think that guy, you're going to be able to agitate him like Eric Swalwell and, you know, eating the taco and going on Charlemagne, the guy thinking like he's going to go agitate him.

00:16:37.000 What I want to know is your values and principles.

00:16:38.000 Yesterday we had Stephen A. Smith on the podcast and he wants to run for president.

00:16:42.000 Let's say he does in 2027, 2028.

00:16:44.000 On many of the lists, he's in the top five, top ten lists that he'll run.

00:16:49.000 I said, Stephen A., tell me your top five values that if you were run for president, what would your top five values be?

00:16:56.000 He said, number one, it would be economy.

00:16:58.000 I said, great.

00:16:59.000 Number two would be border.

00:17:01.000 I said, great.

00:17:02.000 Number three, the four things he said, and he says number five, I don't know what number five was, but number five would be more left-leaning policies.

00:17:09.000 I said, great.

00:17:11.000 I said, let's go on ChatGBT.

00:17:13.000 I went on ChatGBT and I said, what are the top five most important issues to Democrats today?

00:17:19.000 And we go through the five.

00:17:21.000 I said, are you for that first one?

00:17:23.000 He says, no.

00:17:24.000 Two, no.

00:17:25.000 Three, no.

00:17:25.000 Four, no.

00:17:26.000 I said, you're not a Democrat.

00:17:29.000 You're a conservative.

00:17:30.000 And you don't even know it.

00:17:32.000 He says, well, I don't know what's going to happen.

00:17:34.000 I said, no, no.

00:17:34.000 When you go out there and you're on stage.

00:17:37.000 You say shutting the border, they're going to shut you down because they don't want to close the border.

00:17:41.000 When you get on stage and you talk about economy and you don't have a bunch of entitlement programs that you want to pay free money out to people, they're not going to vote for you.

00:17:48.000 If you get up on stage and say, hey, You get up on stage and we've got to get rid of Vulcan families and schools. 1.00

00:17:59.000 You're not going to get their support.

00:18:00.000 They don't know what they stand for.

00:18:02.000 And when you don't know what you stand for, you can spend billions of dollars on marketing.

00:18:07.000 You're not going to win people over.

00:18:08.000 There's got to be a message that cuts through people and say, you know what, I like what they have to say.

00:18:12.000 They don't have any values, right?

00:18:14.000 And unfortunately, until they find themselves, they're going to be in this state that they're there for a long time.

00:18:20.000 They're going to try all sorts of different people to run.

00:18:22.000 Keep an eye on Steve Kerr.

00:18:24.000 I think that is a dark horse that they're going to try to draft.

00:18:28.000 They're going to try to reach out to young men.

00:18:30.000 He's super left-wing.

00:18:31.000 I'm telling you, just keep an eye on that.

00:18:33.000 He's very, very liberal.

00:18:34.000 I was trying to think, who are they going to try to draft?

00:18:38.000 He kind of has some Midwest roots.

00:18:40.000 He went to school at University of Arizona.

00:18:42.000 They're going to try to run Rahm Emanuel.

00:18:44.000 I don't want to be too focused on 2028 because I want to stay in the present.

00:18:47.000 About a minute and a half remaining.

00:18:49.000 P.B.D., what is your greatest concern right now for the Trump administration, the Trump White House that you think needs to be addressed?

00:18:55.000 What is what what is your biggest worry about this current administration?

00:18:59.000 Who gets credit for what?

00:19:01.000 If they if they fight over who gets credit, it's going to be it's going to be catastrophic.

00:19:06.000 Because I interviewed the former chief disguise officer of the CIA, Jonah Mendes, about 10 years ago.

00:19:11.000 And I said, what's the great quality of a CIA?

00:19:14.000 Is it being charming?

00:19:14.000 Is it being charismatic?

00:19:17.000 Is it being a great seducer?

00:19:18.000 Is it being great at doing needs analysis, getting questions?

00:19:20.000 What is the most important quality of a CIA agent?

00:19:24.000 He says all of those things.

00:19:32.000 You don't need to go out there and tell the world about it.

00:19:34.000 I just hope the Trump administration and the leaders in there, they're all individually ambitious.

00:19:40.000 I am sure, deep down inside, Rubio's thinking about 2020.

00:19:44.000 I am sure JD's already thinking about those kinds of things.

00:19:47.000 They give me vibes of good values.

00:19:48.000 I am sure Lutnick has his own value.

00:19:51.000 I am sure Hexet.

00:19:52.000 But if we can forget about the credit.

00:19:56.000 And we just go vision collectively together?

00:20:00.000 20, 30, 40, 50 years from now, history books are going to write about this team in ways we've never seen before.

00:20:06.000 Never seen before.

00:20:07.000 And they can do something very special where America goes on a run.

00:20:11.000 Roaring 20s.

00:20:11.000 I believe 2026 is going to be the greatest year we've had in our lifetime.

00:20:15.000 President Trump turns 80 on the 14th of June.

00:20:17.000 250-year anniversary on the 4th of July.

00:20:19.000 World Cup is coming here.

00:20:21.000 They can go on a run.

00:20:22.000 But as long as they stay united and don't worry about credit.

00:20:25.000 It is amazing what people can do if they don't care who gets the credit.

00:20:30.000 And that is one of the most important things.

00:20:31.000 PBD, thank you so much.

00:20:32.000 Everyone check out the PBD podcast.

00:20:34.000 When I'm back in Florida, I can't wait to rejoin your wonderful show.

00:20:37.000 Thank you so much, my friend.

00:20:39.000 Take care, buddy.

00:20:42.000 All right, listen, I've said it before and I'll say it again.

00:20:44.000 America is waking up.

00:20:45.000 President Trump is back.

00:20:46.000 And in just a few short months, we are seeing incredible momentum.

00:20:49.000 The border is being locked down.

00:20:51.000 Deportations are finally happening.

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00:21:42.000 Joshua Phillips is with us.

00:21:43.000 Joshua does amazing work for the Epoch Times.

00:21:46.000 Joshua, thank you for taking the time here.

00:21:48.000 I know there's a lot you want to talk about in particular about the Chinese Communist Party and officials and their relationship with Harvard and the infiltration of our country.

00:21:59.000 Please explain to our audience some of the work that you're doing and we'll go from there.

00:22:02.000 Yeah, well, Charlie, awesome seeing you and thanks for having me on.

00:22:05.000 Absolutely.

00:22:05.000 It's good seeing you again.

00:22:06.000 Yes.

00:22:06.000 Yeah.

00:22:07.000 So on the point, I think a lot of people saw this story that Trump was talking about, you know, banning most of the student visas for Chinese students.

00:22:15.000 And I mean, I know what a lot of people might be thinking.

00:22:17.000 Isn't that a bit extreme?

00:22:19.000 They're not all bad people and so on.

00:22:22.000 I can tell you, I have a lot of Chinese colleagues and friends who came here as students.

00:22:26.000 People very much against the CCP, but across the board, they'll tell you something.

00:22:30.000 If you come here as a student, the Chinese Communist Party, they will send somebody to meet with you before you go, and they will tell you to remember the motherland.

00:22:39.000 They all understand this takes place.

00:22:41.000 The Chinese Communist Party regards students as spies.

00:22:44.000 I did a recent big expose on one of the big networks as part of this, and I guess if there's anybody wondering, if you want to really root out the real heart of Chinese espionage at American universities, The real heart is an organization called the Chinese Student and Scholar Associations, the CSSAs. 0.71

00:23:03.000 Right alongside the Confucius Institutes and the Little Red Schools, the CSSAs are openly funded by the Chinese Communist Party, openly operated by the Chinese Communist Party, and openly active at most American universities.

00:23:20.000 Most of them.

00:23:21.000 I'm talking Harvard.

00:23:22.000 I'm talking like, you know, the majority of the top colleges in the United States.

00:23:27.000 And these are effectively student unions or Chinese student groups that don't just include the students.

00:23:35.000 It includes faculty.

00:23:36.000 It includes even just people within the Chinese community who are part of what you call the Tong system, the Chinese Communist Party system to subvert the United States. 0.99

00:23:45.000 And I'll lay out a couple of things they do.

00:23:49.000 On one side of it, these are the eyes and ears of the Chinese Communist Party at American universities.

00:23:55.000 And so if you're a normal Chinese student, this is the group that will harass you. 1.00

00:24:02.000 This is the group that will monitor you.

00:24:04.000 This is the group where if you are a normal Chinese student and you just happen to believe in democracy, This is the group that will provide your name and your identity to the Chinese agents, so you will be punished. 0.87

00:24:20.000 If you join a human rights event, maybe against, you know, slave labor in China or against organ harvesting of religious believers, this is the Chinese student group that will report you to the authorities.

00:24:32.000 And I should note also, I know, Charlie, you do a lot of work going to American universities.

00:24:37.000 You've probably dealt with some Chinese protester students.

00:24:40.000 A lot of those protesters are from this group.

00:24:43.000 And the big thing is they're organized by the Chinese consulates openly.

00:24:48.000 In fact, if you saw my recent episode on Crossroads, I did a big expose.

00:24:52.000 They even have on their own websites, they will state they're funded by them.

00:24:57.000 They will state that they're operated by them.

00:24:59.000 And they will state they're tied into the entire network of subversion.

00:25:03.000 But I would add one more thing to this.

00:25:05.000 For American national security, when we talk about Chinese researchers and stuff at our universities, you know, oftentimes we think about brain drain.

00:25:14.000 We think about, okay, taxpayer money is being used to finance weapons development or medical research at universities.

00:25:22.000 That's one of the big arguments with Harvard right now, for example.

00:25:25.000 What is not often talked about is, aside from them coming here researching things and then taking our state-funded research and bringing it back to China, The biggest threat that these things represent, these student organizations, is that if they are connected to the CCP, which they are, again, even openly on their own websites.

00:25:44.000 In fact, the CSSAs are openly operated through the Chinese Embassy, their educational programs at the Chinese Embassy.

00:25:51.000 It means that the CCP can grow them.

00:25:55.000 So, for example, you have a Chinese student, maybe they're studying law.

00:25:59.000 They might go in the future and work maybe in the Justice Department.

00:26:04.000 If you have a Chinese student who's studying maybe national security and they're an American, maybe they become an American citizen or marry an American citizen, they can later on get a job in the FBI.

00:26:15.000 They can get a job in the intelligence community.

00:26:17.000 They can enroll in the US military.

00:26:20.000 And even if you're not an American citizen in the United States, there is a pathway to citizenship if you join the military.

00:26:26.000 And I know from people who work in some of the organizations that review these individuals, they're having massive lines of Chinese nationals trying to enlist in the US military.

00:26:36.000 This means this is a way for them to implant spies within our system.

00:26:40.000 It doesn't matter if it's government or top-level business or finance or anything else.

00:26:45.000 This is a way for them to get into our institutions and then use our institutions against us and in their favor. 0.67

00:26:51.000 So, I mean, let me just ask a question here.

00:26:54.000 They're treating us as if we're an enemy.

00:26:56.000 They're infiltrating.

00:26:57.000 They're spying.

00:26:58.000 Is that how China would the Chinese Communist Party would internally describe their relationship with America?

00:27:05.000 Because externally, they're all like, oh, you know, we're not interventionist. 0.97

00:27:10.000 I mean, they're just so they're pathological liars.

00:27:12.000 How does China internally view their relationship with the United States of America? 0.92

00:27:19.000 The exact slogan, word for word, from the Chinese Communist Party that has been in place from the very beginning up until now with Xi Jinping is, we live, you die.

00:27:31.000 We live, you die.

00:27:33.000 They believe the Chinese Communist Party cannot coexist on the same planet as the United States.

00:27:39.000 They view the United States as the largest thing standing in front of the CCP, in front of their goal of trying to effectively take over the world.

00:27:49.000 And what would that look like?

00:27:50.000 It means the China model. 0.89

00:27:51.000 In their eyes, there's two competing global systems.

00:27:54.000 There's the Pax Americana and American values.

00:27:58.000 The idea of, you know, what is liberal democracy, meaning human rights, the idea that people are endowed by God as having God-given rights, and that people, That's the American idea.

00:28:14.000 Free market capitalism, meaning it's not controlled by a governing party, of course.

00:28:20.000 The Chinese Communist Party's ideology is communism, as we all know.

00:28:25.000 And of course, while some people argue that they are engaged in the capitalistic system, the system they use is what's called state capitalism.

00:28:32.000 What's state capitalism?

00:28:34.000 It just means the state controls the system of capitalism.

00:28:37.000 What is that?

00:28:38.000 That's socialism.

00:28:38.000 In fact, going back even to the Russian Bolshevik Revolution, one of the first articles written by Vladimir Lenin was called, How Can We Advance to Communism If We Fear the Stage of Socialism?

00:28:49.000 And he described socialism as the state capitalist monopoly, meaning the state seizes control of the businesses.

00:28:57.000 That's what the CCP practices.

00:28:59.000 And unfortunately, a lot of people have come to believe that somehow they're a free market economy.

00:29:04.000 They're not.

00:29:05.000 Any medium to large-sized business in China is deeply controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, and if you refuse, you're going to get thrown in the gulag.

00:29:13.000 And that's the way it works there.

00:29:15.000 They regard America as an existential threat, the greatest enemy of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:29:21.000 That has been in place going back to Mao Zedong.

00:29:23.000 It did not change even under Deng Xiaoping when they did the reforms and opening up.

00:29:28.000 When Deng Xiaoping was questioned on this by his advisors, his exact words were something along the lines of, Orange cat, black cat, what does it matter as long as it can catch mice?

00:29:39.000 Meaning, open market, closed market, what does it matter as long as the goal is to undermine and destroy the United States?

00:29:47.000 And Xi Jinping has just revived all of this, in fact, even throwing off some of the facade that was maintained of the quote-unquote peaceful rise of China.

00:29:55.000 They regard us as an enemy, and in their eyes, all of this is war.

00:30:00.000 war by other means to undermine the United States.

00:30:05.000 How then should the United States retaliate?

00:30:08.000 Because I don't think anyone wants a kinetic war with the Chinese Communist Party.

00:30:12.000 But if we are on a war footing, how should the United States then respond?

00:30:18.000 Well, I think we need to recognize that war is not always kinetic.

00:30:23.000 In fact, in the eyes and the public statements of the Chinese Communist Party, they are at war with us. 0.61

00:30:29.000 We are already at war with them.

00:30:31.000 It's just a war we don't realize we're fighting.

00:30:34.000 For them, of course, we can look at many things.

00:30:36.000 One big example people use is what two Chinese colonels referred to as unrestricted warfare.

00:30:42.000 That's business warfare, meaning you're fighting for the actual businesses.

00:30:47.000 Economic theft, where the Chinese military is stealing intellectual property and then feeding it to Chinese businesses.

00:30:54.000 Registering patents, even slightly altering things they steal from us.

00:30:58.000 And then undercutting us on the global market.

00:31:01.000 That's warfare for them.

00:31:02.000 In case in point, the Chinese military is engaged in that.

00:31:06.000 The hackers are Chinese military hackers.

00:31:09.000 There's economic warfare, which is fighting over GDP.

00:31:12.000 When they do hostile takeovers of entire industries in other countries, for example, buying up the dairy industry in New Zealand, buying up the iron and minerals industries in Australia, doing debt traps through the Belt and Road Initiative, they call that economic warfare.

00:31:30.000 The monopolizing of natural resources.

00:31:33.000 There's manufacturing warfare.

00:31:35.000 What did Mao Zedong say is one of the main goals of communism?

00:31:38.000 Seize the means of production.

00:31:39.000 Who controls the means of production? 0.88

00:31:41.000 That's your factories.

00:31:42.000 China.

00:31:43.000 We gave it to them.

00:31:44.000 There's drug warfare.

00:31:45.000 An operation actually started under Mao Zedong using the spy networks through Cuba to establish cocaine smuggling, which has now evolved into them providing precursor chemicals for methamphetamine.

00:31:57.000 Includes, for example, fentanyl.

00:31:59.000 In their open writings, this is warfare.

00:32:02.000 And they are killing more Americans every single year than we lost in the entire Vietnam War. 0.93

00:32:07.000 They're killing more people than we lose in a kinetic warfare using drug warfare.

00:32:12.000 If I were to go over the whole list, they list publicly over 70 strategies of unconventional warfare.

00:32:19.000 Even ideology, they have adopted into their actual military code what's called the three warfares.

00:32:25.000 Psychological warfare, media warfare, and legal warfare.

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00:33:45.000 So as you know, last on Monday, we did a very powerful segment with Alex Berenson all about the COVID vaccine and whether or not it was delayed to hurt President Trump before the 2020 election.

00:33:58.000 And so...

00:34:07.000 I looked into this, though, and it's even worse than what we covered.

00:34:10.000 It was Trump's own FDA that made it impossible to announce, to say that there was a vaccine before the election.

00:34:19.000 In fact, and this is why it's so important that Marty McCary is running the FDA and we have Bobby Kennedy, if you go a level deeper, The facts actually show that it's our own government that was working against President Trump to be able to announce the vaccine According, and this is what I sourced here, and I talked to people at the FDA and all that, according to the media reports at the time, quote, against the will of the president, the FDA announced in October that no vaccine candidate could seek authorization without full two months of data from at least two volunteers.

00:34:48.000 This move effectively dispelled any chance of a vaccine by Election Day.

00:34:53.000 In fact, President Trump called that at a time a hit job from the deep state.

00:34:57.000 It's why it's so important that we have Bobby Kennedy and Marty McCary.

00:35:00.000 No more liberals from the deep state trying to undermine the president on a daily basis.

00:35:04.000 Very important topic here about the Chinese Communist Party.

00:35:07.000 I classify the Chinese Communist Party as an enemy of the United States.

00:35:10.000 How we respond to that is very complicated.

00:35:13.000 Joshua Phillip, host of Crossroads at the Epoch Times and senior investigative reporter at the Epoch Times.

00:35:18.000 So do you think that Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party is going to make an imminent move on Taiwan?

00:35:25.000 It's very possible.

00:35:27.000 So there's a lot happening right now.

00:35:29.000 Epic Times, of course, we have a lot of contacts in China.

00:35:32.000 We're able to make phone calls into China.

00:35:34.000 We're blacklisted in China.

00:35:36.000 But that also means that anytime somebody wants to defect or get information out, we tend to be the go-to place for it.

00:35:41.000 I can tell you that our own sources in China say there's a power struggle taking place within the Chinese military.

00:35:47.000 And it looks so far like Xi Jinping is losing the power struggle of the Chinese military.

00:35:53.000 As of now, it does appear that Xi Jinping does not fully control the Chinese military.

00:35:58.000 What does that mean for Taiwan?

00:36:00.000 Well, it means one of two things.

00:36:01.000 Either Xi Jinping does not have the control or power to launch a war right now, or it means he might do it drastically with the intent of maybe keeping his military busy as a way to consolidate power and try to win back control of the military.

00:36:15.000 It is possible he might start a war to kill off the individuals he does not want in the military.

00:36:21.000 And so in terms of national interest, in terms of internal infighting within the CCP itself, What would that mean for us as the United States?

00:36:31.000 Well, Japan would very quickly move to defend Taiwan.

00:36:35.000 They would.

00:36:36.000 And because we have a defense agreement with Japan, and Japan has defense agreements with the Philippines and Australia and India, this would very quickly escalate into a much larger war.

00:36:45.000 We would probably get pulled into it.

00:36:47.000 What would a CCP war look like against Taiwan?

00:36:51.000 So the northern, basically the northern strait, the entire strait there, and including even to the west, the whole strait is like shallow water.

00:37:03.000 They can't really field submarines.

00:37:05.000 Everything will be visible.

00:37:06.000 You would have large-scale rocket attacks from the Chinese Communist Party bombarding Taiwan, and you would have a boat incursion.

00:37:14.000 Taiwan would defend against that.

00:37:17.000 Imagine Saving Private Ryan times a thousand, where machine gun nests are replaced with rockets, and they're bombing boats far out into the sea.

00:37:26.000 The United States is putting in place what it calls the Hellscape Strategy, which is various drones.

00:37:32.000 It's aerial drones, surface of the water drones, like boats, and undersea drones.

00:37:37.000 And we would also be bombarding the Chinese invasion. 0.98

00:37:40.000 I don't know what Japan would do, but they'd very likely be involved in that as well.

00:37:44.000 But what the CCP might try to do in the short term is effectively isolate Taiwan, surround it with their ships, launch kind of a castle siege, very likely try to sever their internet cables, cut them off, starve them out, and then from there slowly move to an actual invasion.

00:38:00.000 Would the CCP do it?

00:38:01.000 They might.

00:38:02.000 They really might.

00:38:03.000 But right now, I think that's what's most concerning about them is everything is up in the air.

00:38:07.000 They're in a very delicate state, but they're also in a very dangerous state because of that.

00:38:13.000 In closing here, Joshua, what do we need to do?

00:38:16.000 Very quick, just rapid fire to continue.

00:38:22.000 One, two, three, four things that you want to see President Trump do.

00:38:24.000 Very quick, Joshua.

00:38:25.000 The United States needs to recognize we are already at war with the Chinese Communist Party, but it's a war through other means.

00:38:32.000 Number two, we need to understand they've been subverting our government for decades.

00:38:36.000 There's what's called transnational repression.

00:38:38.000 They have placed agents within our government.

00:38:40.000 Those need to be rooted out, absolutely.

00:38:43.000 Number three, understand that they use the open systems of the United States against us.

00:38:48.000 The actual slogan for it is strangle you with your own systems.

00:38:51.000 They infiltrate and try to take advantage of open systems.

00:38:55.000 And number four, recognize that even if we don't regard them as an enemy, they regard us as an enemy.

00:38:59.000 That does not mean the Chinese people.

00:39:02.000 The Chinese people are great.

00:39:03.000 The Chinese Communist Party is the greatest enemy, even of the Chinese people.

00:39:13.000 Joshua, thank you so much for your time.

00:39:15.000 We'll have you on again soon.

00:39:16.000 And check out Crossroads.

00:39:17.000 You're doing a great job.

00:39:18.000 Thank you.

00:39:19.000 Appreciate it.

00:39:19.000 Thank you.

00:39:20.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:39:21.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 06, 2025

Trump 2.0 is Winning + Is the CCP Advancing?

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