The Charlie Kirk Show - October 23, 2021


Trump 2024? In-Depth with ‘The Chief’s Chief,’ Mark Meadows


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Former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows joins Charlie on The Charlie Kirk Show to discuss his new book, Freedom: My Life in the White House, a memoir about his time in the Trump White House.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Today in the Charlie Kirk Show, my conversation with former chief of staff Mark Meadows, close friend of the president, we talk about how are we going to take back the house?
00:00:07.000 How are we going to take back the Senate?
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00:01:31.000 Mark Meadows is here.
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00:01:33.000 Here we go.
00:01:35.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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00:01:45.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:01:46.000 He's an incredible guy.
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00:01:49.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:56.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:02:08.000 Hey, everybody.
00:02:08.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:10.000 With us today is a friend of mine, an American patriot, one of the good guys.
00:02:15.000 He loves his country, and he did a great job in Congress and also serving the wonderful President of the United States, Donald Trump, and has a book about it.
00:02:23.000 The Chief's Chief with us is Mark Meadows.
00:02:25.000 Mark, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:27.000 Hey, Charlie, it's great to be with you.
00:02:29.000 Thank you for the work that you do.
00:02:31.000 And all those that are tuned in right now, just a real heartfelt thank you to all of you.
00:02:38.000 And I want to, can I remind the audience of something that you may not even remember?
00:02:44.000 So I was actually a member of Congress on the Oversight Committee.
00:02:47.000 Jim Jordan and I would just take it to him.
00:02:49.000 And then all of a sudden, you know, Charlie Kirk shows up in the back row.
00:02:54.000 And so I do a shout out.
00:02:57.000 I mean, and it's my staff who says, Hey, do you see who's in the back row?
00:03:01.000 And I said, Yeah.
00:03:02.000 They said, Well, do you know who he is?
00:03:04.000 I said, Of course I know who doesn't know who Charlie is.
00:03:07.000 But thank you for fighting the fight.
00:03:10.000 And not just with so many members on Capitol Hill, but on college campuses and in the churches and the public arena each and every day.
00:03:22.000 You're a true friend.
00:03:23.000 Great to be with you.
00:03:24.000 Likewise.
00:03:25.000 And I'll never forget, Mark, you were one of our first guests on the Charlie Kirk show where we just had a couple of little recorders.
00:03:31.000 We came into your office.
00:03:32.000 That's when you were still in Congress, and you were so generous with your time.
00:03:35.000 And it was just awesome.
00:03:36.000 And you've been, you did an amazing job in the White House as chief of staff.
00:03:40.000 So I want to start there.
00:03:41.000 Tell us about your time in the White House, what you're talking about in this book, and kind of some of the detail and the insight that you think more Americans need to know about exactly what happened in the White House.
00:03:53.000 Well, Charlie, this book is really the truthful account of what actually happened.
00:03:59.000 We've had so many of these different authors that have come up and they supposedly were in the room where it happened.
00:04:06.000 You and I both know, based on our relationship with President Trump, our personal relationship, not just professional, that he is all about America and willing to do that.
00:04:17.000 So I bring to life a number of stories, some that have been reported on in a non-factual way by people that have worked with him.
00:04:29.000 Certainly the fight that he had, even against people that were in his own administration, we see some of these people, whether it's Secretary Esper or General Milley, Dr. Fauci, they all make appearances in this book, but we also give some stories that are not out there.
00:04:48.000 And I'll give you a prime example of one.
00:04:50.000 Dr. Fauci literally was trying to advocate so strongly for the funding for the Wuhan Lab.
00:05:00.000 And so the story is in there.
00:05:02.000 I'm watching Tucker.
00:05:04.000 I find out from Tucker Carlson that we're funding this Chinese lab. 0.76
00:05:09.000 And I call Alex Caesar and I tell him, I said, we're going to cut off the funding.
00:05:14.000 We're going to make sure that we cut it off.
00:05:17.000 And we got pushback.
00:05:19.000 Not some from Alex Cesar, but certainly a lot from NIH.
00:05:24.000 And that's a story that's appropriate for the day, Charlie, because we got Dr. Fauci now with NIH, Francis Collins, Dr. Fauci, all of a sudden saying, well, there was gain of function research being done, and the American taxpayer was funding it.
00:05:41.000 And the testimony that we gave before Congress may not have been factual.
00:05:46.000 Here's the bombshell.
00:05:47.000 It's worse than that.
00:05:49.000 I believe that Dr. Fauci knew all too well that his testimony was in fact erroneous based on emails, if the Biden administration is willing to look for them, emails that he actually was part of back in February and March of 2020.
00:06:07.000 I mean, and that would be lying under oath and a variety of different crimes.
00:06:11.000 And so what you're saying is that Fauci was intimately aware and then lied about it in front of testimony in many of these hearings.
00:06:20.000 Well, I mean, the emails would seem to suggest that it was brought to his attention that they were doing gain of function actual research in Wuhan.
00:06:31.000 I do know this.
00:06:32.000 Dr. Fauci was well aware that the American taxpayer dollars was going to China, and he continued to advocate for it after President Trump said, we're not going to do this anymore.
00:06:43.000 And it's just one of the many flip-flops that we see, but we tell that story.
00:06:48.000 The other is we tell how President Trump actually makes decisions quickly.
00:06:53.000 You and I have seen this on behalf of the American people.
00:06:56.000 He'll get what I call creative chaos, where back and forth he'll, you know, in the Oval Office, there will almost be certainly verbal fights, but sometimes it made me so uncomfortable.
00:07:08.000 You know, you just see different cabinet members going back and forth.
00:07:12.000 He'd see how passionate they were.
00:07:14.000 He'd get the facts and he'd make a quick decision.
00:07:16.000 We missed that.
00:07:18.000 We missed that with Joe Biden being at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
00:07:23.000 Yeah, it's just hard to even process what we have.
00:07:26.000 So can you talk a little bit about just, you know, I want to hone in on this, how President Trump was running the government with your help and others, but he was being undermined by people within the administrative state and that apparatus.
00:07:41.000 We call this the deep state, but to what extent did that really exist, Mark?
00:07:45.000 Because it's a hard thing for people.
00:07:47.000 People think you win the election, you take over the whole government.
00:07:50.000 That's not true.
00:07:53.000 Well, you don't take over the whole government.
00:07:55.000 And honestly, even with some of the very people that the president put in place, people that were, they were supposedly MAGA people that were coming in to work for him.
00:08:07.000 Really, what they were were swamp creatures.
00:08:09.000 You know, they had had Potomac fever.
00:08:11.000 They had drank the Kool-Aid over and over again.
00:08:15.000 All they cared about was the power that existed around the Oval Office.
00:08:20.000 And so here's so you ask if it was real.
00:08:24.000 So as chief of staff, I came in.
00:08:26.000 The leaks drove me crazy.
00:08:28.000 We fired a couple of people.
00:08:29.000 We asked them to use their talents in other places very quickly when we found out.
00:08:33.000 But even within the West Wing, we found that there was a lot of people that, for their own personal advantage, they would talk to the press, they would leak out less than flattering stories, oftentimes, in fact, almost all of the time, with only partial truth.
00:08:50.000 So I was chief of staff for maybe a week.
00:08:55.000 We're going over a speech that the president is going to give later that evening.
00:09:01.000 Literally, while I'm meeting with the president, while we're making changes to the speech, they're reporting on the news.
00:09:10.000 Somebody had leaked a speech out, and that came from the West Wing and others.
00:09:16.000 And so what we did was actually said, well, less people are going to get to see that speech.
00:09:21.000 We had people pushing back like crazy.
00:09:23.000 How are you taking me off the approval list?
00:09:26.000 Well, it's amazing how many speeches didn't get broadcast before he gave them after that.
00:09:31.000 But that's a minor thing.
00:09:32.000 You know, you got people that were weaponizing the Intel community.
00:09:36.000 You've got the Department of Defense many times that had one agenda and they would strategically talk to reporters and these background sources.
00:09:47.000 But the swamp does fight back.
00:09:50.000 And for those that are tuned in right now, if you think it's a minor problem, it is a major problem.
00:09:56.000 In fact, the president, when he was, you know, October of 2020, he said, Mark, I wish we knew then what we know now because we would have done it differently.
00:10:08.000 And I can tell you, going forward, we're going to do it differently.
00:10:12.000 And that's a good segue.
00:10:14.000 And we can kind of bounce all around here.
00:10:16.000 It looks like he's going to run.
00:10:19.000 Yeah, I tell you, if I were a betting guy, of course, you get to talk to President Trump on a regular basis.
00:10:28.000 If you and I were betting, we would go all in on the fact that he's running.
00:10:33.000 I can tell you this, and I talk about this in the Chief's Chief.
00:10:37.000 You know, he's asked me to look at a number of things.
00:10:40.000 And when you start looking at it, getting prepared and talking about who would be cabinet secretaries, where do you make sure from a personnel standpoint?
00:10:52.000 Because what you have to do is have the right personnel to make sure that it's executed.
00:10:58.000 And candidly, we want people that are all in for the America First Agenda.
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00:13:09.000 Well, so talk, let's talk politically, though, because the Republican Party is he's very popular in the Republican Party, but amongst the donors and smart people, I think there's some hesitation, and I don't share that hesitation.
00:13:23.000 Um, where they say, I don't know if I want him to run, I don't know if there's a path, I don't know if he can win.
00:13:29.000 What are your thoughts on that, Mark?
00:13:30.000 Because they're there, as you probably get some of those phone calls, right?
00:13:34.000 And yeah, so help us navigate through that.
00:13:37.000 Yeah, I get that on a regular basis.
00:13:39.000 Now, perhaps not as zealously with knowing that my relationship with the president still is one that is very strong.
00:13:50.000 And having served as his chief of staff, I may not get it quite as much.
00:13:54.000 But yeah, we get that from the donors.
00:13:55.000 Well, here's the interesting thing: nothing will make people see that Donald Trump actually acted in their best interest as much as Joe Biden doing as poorly as he's done.
00:14:08.000 You know, who would have imagined?
00:14:10.000 In fact, the president Trump mentioned this the other day.
00:14:13.000 He says, Mark, can you imagine it was going to be this bad this quickly?
00:14:18.000 And the answer is no.
00:14:19.000 And I had a very low expectation.
00:14:21.000 You know, it's hard to be below last on an expectation, but I had a very low bar for what they were going to do.
00:14:27.000 Here's the other thing that I think we start to see: the left has lurched so much.
00:14:33.000 You get to see this each and every day on college campuses and in the public square.
00:14:38.000 They've lurched so far to the left that all of a sudden people want to fight her on their behalf.
00:14:45.000 You know, when you look at CRT in the schools and telling parents they're domestic terrorists, I mean, at this point, you've got unaffiliated voters and what I would say, moderate to conservative Democrats, if there's such a thing as a conservative Democrat left, they are all of a sudden saying, you know what?
00:15:05.000 At least Donald Trump was willing to fight for me, and I need somebody that's willing to fight.
00:15:11.000 And the critical race theory is one key component.
00:15:14.000 You know, we have got to, we've got to understand that you don't judge people by the color of their skin.
00:15:21.000 It's by the content of their character to quote Martin Luther King Jr.
00:15:25.000 Yeah, that used to be an American principle.
00:15:27.000 So let's talk a little bit about kind of where the conservative movement is right now.
00:15:32.000 And it seems that the conservative movement is growing.
00:15:34.000 It is broadening.
00:15:36.000 I think it's younger than ever before.
00:15:38.000 It's more diverse than ever before.
00:15:40.000 It's very energetic.
00:15:41.000 And I think that is confusing the Democrats in a variety of different ways.
00:15:45.000 I think they thought that we would go away and all of a sudden say, you know what?
00:15:47.000 Yeah, let's put Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney in charge of our party after everything that happened. 1.00
00:15:51.000 And they're not really sure how to deal with that.
00:15:54.000 So, but from a policy perspective, this is something you dealt with in the Trump administration.
00:16:00.000 One of my fears, Mark, is that if Republicans take back the House, which I believe we will, and we could talk about that in the Senate, is that kind of the Chamber of Commerce agenda will kind of set in again.
00:16:10.000 You were the head of the Freedom Caucus.
00:16:12.000 You were the number one advocate for this sort of type of conservatism.
00:16:16.000 What do we have to do to make sure that the Republican Party doesn't kind of get co-opted by all those sorts of interests if and when we take back chambers of power?
00:16:25.000 Well, listen, it will get co-opted if we are not vigilant.
00:16:29.000 And I appreciate you bringing this up because you have and those that support your movement have changed the demographics.
00:16:40.000 Most of the Republicans have gray hair like me, and they've been around for a while.
00:16:46.000 It's such a refreshing thing to a guy that's been in the fight that says, all right, I'm willing to pass the baton to a younger demographic that honestly is as conservative as I am and some of them more so.
00:17:01.000 You got, I mean, listen, I was with you in Arizona when the president came in.
00:17:06.000 I mean, you guys were rocking the roof off of that particular, I mean, it was incredible.
00:17:11.000 And I walked away.
00:17:12.000 I said, wow.
00:17:14.000 I mean, you know, you heard about your work.
00:17:16.000 I was very familiar with your work, but I'd never felt the energy up close and personal.
00:17:22.000 And you said that you could fill that place.
00:17:24.000 And not only did you fill it, I mean, there was waiting lines.
00:17:28.000 Remember, the protesters out there took tires and wheels off of a van to try to keep people from coming in.
00:17:38.000 And so you're up against it each and every day.
00:17:40.000 And so are we.
00:17:42.000 And we're up against some of the battle is not just the left like you were talking about.
00:17:46.000 It's the swamp, the chamber of commerce kind of folks that honestly, they want business as usual.
00:17:52.000 There's two kinds of people that love to spend money in Washington, D.C., Democrats and Republicans.
00:17:58.000 And so what you have to do is actually come together and actually work with a coalition.
00:18:04.000 So here's how we do it.
00:18:06.000 We hold people accountable.
00:18:08.000 You do a good job of that.
00:18:10.000 Others are doing a good job of that.
00:18:12.000 But here's the bottom line is you can't let them go back and pretend like Donald Trump was never the president and that our party is not forever changed because that's what they want to do.
00:18:24.000 There's this new movement, GOP.2.0, you know?
00:18:29.000 And when you look at it, all they're really wanting is GOP 1.0, which is before Donald Trump.
00:18:37.000 When he came down the escalator, everybody said that he couldn't win and he wasn't going to win.
00:18:43.000 They didn't take him serious.
00:18:44.000 They're doing the same thing now.
00:18:46.000 They're underestimating those that truly have been engaged.
00:18:50.000 Young people, union workers, the hardworking American that honestly may have been a typical Democrat voter in the past.
00:18:59.000 They're saying the Democrat Party has left me.
00:19:02.000 And what they're now looking at is how do we take back our government for we the people?
00:19:07.000 That's right.
00:19:08.000 But we're going to have to have backbones of steel.
00:19:10.000 Many congressmen and women do not have that. 0.97
00:19:13.000 Can you talk a little bit about that?
00:19:14.000 You served in Congress.
00:19:15.000 You did a wonderful job.
00:19:16.000 You were one of the most principled members of Congress and a leader.
00:19:20.000 People have lost faith in their government.
00:19:22.000 And some Republicans say we win these elections and we lose our country.
00:19:26.000 What should people be looking for right now in primaries?
00:19:28.000 What should people be looking for in selecting members of Congress?
00:19:31.000 This is a question I get all the time.
00:19:33.000 I'd love your wisdom on that.
00:19:35.000 Well, listen, what you want is someone who doesn't want the job for the title.
00:19:40.000 There you go.
00:19:40.000 You know, I mean, if the thing that they wanted all their life was to be a member of Congress, then you don't want them in Washington, D.C. Other is, is they need to hold it very loosely.
00:19:52.000 I was not a guy that ran on term limits, but now I'm all for term limits.
00:19:56.000 Listen, get somebody in, let them do the very best they can because they stay connected to the people back home.
00:20:02.000 And then the third thing that you want is someone who doesn't need to be accepted.
00:20:07.000 You know, because what happens is all these members come up here.
00:20:10.000 They're smarter than, you know, everybody tells them how smart they are, how funny they are.
00:20:14.000 They get invited to all these dinners, you know, the honorable this, the congressman or congresswoman, this.
00:20:20.000 And yet, what we see is a freshman class that has come in who's willing to be connected to the people back home.
00:20:27.000 You want values from Main Street back home going to Washington, D.C., not D.C. values going that way.
00:20:34.000 And so it really is hard because everybody preaches and they practice, try to practice a good game.
00:20:42.000 I can tell you, look at their career.
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00:21:56.000 Yeah, I think that's really good wisdom.
00:21:59.000 We get that question a lot of Charlie, what should I look at in candidates and what can actually be done?
00:22:05.000 And so now I kind of want to talk a little bit about this question of how are we going to kind of decouple our mess, the mess from Biden and what he's done.
00:22:18.000 And what do you think are the issues, the actual issues you think that are the ones we should hone on and focus on?
00:22:24.000 I think CRT, I think the educational issue, the Department of Justice with what Merrick Garland has done, which is an unthinkable attack on moms and dads across the country.
00:22:34.000 What's your perspective from the political standpoint where we really need to focus our attention?
00:22:39.000 Yeah, so if there is a silver lining to the COVID pandemic, it would be in two different places that we need to really focus on.
00:22:49.000 One is holding China accountable, getting our supply chains away from the Chinese government.
00:22:55.000 I can tell you, having served with the president, he saw this as a real threat and one that honestly has not gone away.
00:23:04.000 If anything, it's gotten worse because what they're going to do is the supply chains, rare earth minerals, you name it, they're going to try to control everything that controls manufacturing.
00:23:16.000 So we need to do that.
00:23:17.000 And we saw that when some of the PPE was very difficult to get because it was coming from China and they used it as a leverage against us.
00:23:27.000 And that's problematic.
00:23:29.000 The second thing that is a silver lining of COVID is that we started to see what's happening in our schools, both in our universities and in K through 12.
00:23:39.000 We started to see that moms and dads, because we were teaching via Zoom, all of a sudden they're saying, I can't believe that's being taught in your classroom.
00:23:48.000 Can't believe that there's a political agenda by your teacher because many of us grew up in the public school system and we remember our teachers as being that person that would instruct us and invest their time and yet do it without a political agenda.
00:24:03.000 We're seeing that.
00:24:04.000 You know this.
00:24:05.000 I mean, this is the genesis of what you first started with in terms of your political interest.
00:24:12.000 But we have to make sure that we engage there as well.
00:24:15.000 So those two issues.
00:24:16.000 The third one is with the Biden administration, you can't replace capitalism with big government.
00:24:24.000 And everybody wants to, you know, they want to have big government.
00:24:28.000 And what they will do is essentially put everybody on some type of social program.
00:24:36.000 And I don't want to say social welfare because we're all about the safety net for those that really truly need a safety net.
00:24:42.000 But what they want you to do is actually be connected to the government, dependent on the government.
00:24:48.000 And that way you don't have the freedom to live the American dream.
00:24:53.000 And so we have to really push back on that.
00:24:56.000 Lastly, the Afghanistan debacle, it could have been avoided, should have been avoided.
00:25:02.000 President Trump did avoid it.
00:25:05.000 And we need to make sure we don't get involved in endless wars, but at the same time, that we remain strong and that our enemies fear us.
00:25:13.000 Our allies can respect us and count on us.
00:25:17.000 And those areas we have to address.
00:25:20.000 So let's go to some of the big races.
00:25:22.000 Let's talk about some of the Senate races that are going to be critical because we get these questions a lot.
00:25:26.000 If that's okay, let's get into some of the particulars.
00:25:29.000 Yeah, no, you're going to get me in trouble, but I'm all in.
00:25:33.000 I'm with you.
00:25:33.000 Well, no, I mean, I don't mean to get you in trouble.
00:25:35.000 You don't have to tell me what candidate you like.
00:25:37.000 Let's just kind of go through the opportunities.
00:25:40.000 We could talk about Georgia, Arizona, New Hampshire.
00:25:42.000 Where do you think really are some of the opportunities for us to take back positions of power heading into this midterm election?
00:25:52.000 Well, well said.
00:25:54.000 Here's where I see the opportunity in the Senate.
00:25:57.000 It's going to be very tough.
00:25:58.000 It's going to be 50-50, 51, 49, one way or another. 0.79
00:26:02.000 And it's all going to depend on those that are tuned in right now.
00:26:06.000 Are they willing to get out?
00:26:08.000 Are they willing to believe, once again, and one of the things that's changed is Donald Trump, I think, has changed the types of candidates that will run and ultimately get elected.
00:26:18.000 We see that in Georgia with Herschel Walker.
00:26:21.000 You know, Herschel is there.
00:26:23.000 Listen, Herschel has a great life and he is willing to put that on hold and serve the American people.
00:26:32.000 You know, obviously, you can't be a University of Georgia Bulldog fan without loving Herschel Walker, but you can't be a fan of the American dream and not be a fan of what Herschel has been able to accomplish.
00:26:46.000 So I'm very bullish on the fact that Herschel will be able to do a good job in Georgia.
00:26:53.000 So that will be a pickup seat there.
00:26:56.000 You look at New Hampshire.
00:26:57.000 You mentioned New Hampshire.
00:26:58.000 There's rumors that Governor Sununu may jump into that race.
00:27:03.000 That's a huge pickup opportunity in a market that honestly investors and donors will make a big difference there because you, other than that market that comes out of Boston that's so expensive, the rest of New Hampshire, you can normally make a real grassroots effort.
00:27:20.000 They want a candidate that will show up.
00:27:22.000 It's a different kind of politicking in New Hampshire.
00:27:26.000 It's a different statement.
00:27:27.000 So I'm pretty bullish there.
00:27:28.000 And he's already won statewide.
00:27:28.000 Yeah.
00:27:31.000 Yeah.
00:27:31.000 And I mean, and one decisively.
00:27:33.000 So I think that if Sununu gets in, there's a pickup there.
00:27:37.000 The real question mark is, you know, in Arizona out your way.
00:27:44.000 And, you know, when you look at Arizona, that's going to be a real battle.
00:27:49.000 We've got some great candidates out there that are already working hard.
00:27:53.000 As you know, you're all in a number of places where you're giving guidance.
00:28:00.000 I will say this, Charlie.
00:28:02.000 You know, that's a real race.
00:28:05.000 You got a sitting member of the Senate who ought to act more like Kristen Sinema than he is himself.
00:28:11.000 And so if he would look in the mirror and see her reflection, he'd have a better shot at that.
00:28:17.000 But that's going to be an all-out war, probably one of the more expensive races. 1.00
00:28:22.000 But again, fairly bullish on that.
00:28:26.000 Now, the question is on defense, where we have to be, we have to keep Ron Johnson.
00:28:31.000 Hopefully he announces that he's going to run again in Wisconsin.
00:28:35.000 He's very popular in Wisconsin.
00:28:37.000 He is.
00:28:38.000 And listen, why is he popular?
00:28:39.000 Because exactly like you talked about, he has the interests of the people of Wisconsin and he brings those to D.C. and he doesn't allow D.C. to infect him.
00:28:49.000 And I use the word infect purposefully there.
00:28:54.000 And so as we look at that, and then Pennsylvania is going to be the tough one.
00:28:58.000 Bluntly, we should have not had a big problem there.
00:29:04.000 It shouldn't even be close.
00:29:06.000 I think that we have to make sure on election integrity issues that we continue to fight those issues, Pennsylvania being one of those where it's critical.
00:29:17.000 And so it depends on who the candidate is there and how they win.
00:29:21.000 And then in my old home state of North Carolina, Ted Budd, president's endorsed him.
00:29:27.000 I think he will be the next senator from the Tar Heel State.
00:29:31.000 But we've got to play defense and the map doesn't look good.
00:29:35.000 But at the same time, I think that we could end up with a one-seat majority and take Chuck Schumer's voice away from it.
00:29:43.000 Yeah.
00:29:44.000 And I think Adam Laxalt could win in Nevada, but boy, that's a difficult state.
00:29:47.000 That state is.
00:29:48.000 Well, it is.
00:29:48.000 Now, I'm going to be out in Nevada.
00:29:50.000 I'm glad you mentioned that.
00:29:51.000 I'm going to be out in Nevada here in a week or two because one of the great opportunities I think we have with Nevada is to actually turn the entire state from blue to red.
00:30:03.000 And Adam's running a good campaign.
00:30:05.000 You got some other candidates running for other offices there.
00:30:09.000 I'm going to be out there, but it comes down to four counties in Nevada.
00:30:15.000 And so we need to...
00:30:17.000 You're right.
00:30:18.000 And so we're going to work those.
00:30:19.000 And I, in my personal capacity, going to be working with some of the political operatives out there to make sure that we can plow the field and make it a little easier way.
00:30:30.000 Yeah, there's some interesting races that the New Hampshire one opens the map.
00:30:34.000 It'll force them to spend another $50 to $100 million.
00:30:37.000 I think Marco Rubio will be fine in Florida, regardless of debtings, Val Demings, or whatever.
00:30:43.000 I think he'll be more than fine.
00:30:45.000 Parnell in Pennsylvania is going to be that primary is going to be tough.
00:30:49.000 I've endorsed Parnell.
00:30:50.000 Ohio, we should be comfortable, though, despite a pretty good candidate on their side.
00:30:54.000 We endorsed JD Vance, but whoever it is, it's going to be fine.
00:30:58.000 I think that race is solid.
00:31:00.000 Ohio has become a deep red state.
00:31:02.000 I agree.
00:31:03.000 And so I agree with you with Florida and Ohio.
00:31:07.000 Both of those look really strong, and we've got strong candidates.
00:31:12.000 Val Demings is not to be overlooked.
00:31:16.000 She is tough.
00:31:17.000 I served with her in Congress.
00:31:18.000 She's a tough candidate, but Marco will do just fine.
00:31:22.000 You know, your willingness to get involved and speak out about these individuals is certainly critical.
00:31:30.000 And it brings an extra dose of energy that is out there.
00:31:35.000 And so I'm, again, I'm kind of putting Florida and Ohio in those win columns pretty easily.
00:31:43.000 And hopefully we'll add to those.
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00:33:36.000 And I think the map only gets better from this.
00:33:38.000 It's a tough Senate map.
00:33:39.000 It is because six years ago was 16 when we did very well.
00:33:43.000 So you kind of have to always calculate that.
00:33:45.000 That's right.
00:33:46.000 I want to end our discussion here, Mark, with the time we have remaining with the issue that I get more questions about than any other issue.
00:33:53.000 And it was kind of laced throughout your commentary around the country, which is voter fraud and election integrity.
00:34:00.000 Talk about what the president's doing.
00:34:02.000 Talk about where his head's at with this.
00:34:03.000 Talk about what people can do.
00:34:05.000 It is the most frustrating issue for people.
00:34:07.000 And it's honestly frustrating at times for me because I don't know how to properly answer some of these questions because I say, well, we have to wait for things to come out and we have to do this.
00:34:15.000 Where are we at with this, Mark?
00:34:16.000 Let's separate fact from fiction and manage expectations.
00:34:20.000 Yeah, listen, there's three things that we can.
00:34:23.000 I boil it down to six words.
00:34:24.000 We need to make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.
00:34:27.000 But the only way that we do that is in some of our work here at the Conservative Partnership Institute is actually, we've got a huge election integrity initiative.
00:34:38.000 Cleta Mitchell, who's been very quarterbacking that for us.
00:34:44.000 But here's what we have to do.
00:34:45.000 We have to work with the state legislatures, but we also have to look at truly where were the problems in 2020.
00:34:53.000 And a lot of people say, well, let's just win back the house and look at it going forward.
00:34:57.000 And certainly we need to look at going forward.
00:35:00.000 But what we can't do is ignore the fact that there was legitimate fraud that has to be addressed to what levels we don't need to be making all kinds of claims on what it should be or shouldn't be.
00:35:15.000 But here's what we do is audits are a great thing.
00:35:18.000 I think audits should continue to be done.
00:35:21.000 We're working not only in the states like in Arizona and Georgia and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, where there's real work continuing on still, but we're working in states where President Trump was certified as the winner in states like Florida and North Carolina.
00:35:39.000 Because what we see is if they've run one play and they're able to get away with fraud, one case, then what will they do next?
00:35:48.000 I mean, in the state of California, they've passed statutes to allow for ballot harvesting and they've had that and it's legal there.
00:35:56.000 And yet the chain of custody where it leaves from the voter's hand and goes to the ballot box is not sacred.
00:36:02.000 So we need to do that.
00:36:04.000 So I'm all in for audits and continuing to work there.
00:36:08.000 But there's a real frustration out there.
00:36:10.000 Why isn't more being done?
00:36:11.000 I can tell you, it's even in Virginia.
00:36:14.000 So there was a lawsuit just filed in Virginia.
00:36:17.000 Fairfax County in the last week or so had been instructing people to not put the last four of a social security number on absentee ballots.
00:36:26.000 Now, that's a requirement to do that.
00:36:29.000 And additionally, they said, well, you don't even need a witness for that.
00:36:34.000 They've walked back on part of that.
00:36:38.000 But November, this November in Virginia is going to let us know.
00:36:42.000 And we're already seeing some inconsistencies from Fairfax County and Virginia.
00:36:48.000 And Christian Adams has filed a lawsuit.
00:36:52.000 He's terrific.
00:36:52.000 He's great.
00:36:54.000 He is doing great work.
00:36:56.000 We're working hand, but we just got to stay on the offense and make sure that it's easy to vote and hard to achieve.
00:37:03.000 Well, so, yeah, and this is my fear, though, Mark, is that, and I said this to the president, how do we strike the balance, though, to make sure this doesn't suppress voter turnout?
00:37:13.000 Because I don't want it to be where all of a sudden 15% of people don't show up in Herschel's race because they're like, oh, everything is broken.
00:37:21.000 How do we strike that balance?
00:37:22.000 100%.
00:37:23.000 So here's how we strike the balance.
00:37:25.000 And I appreciate you bringing that up.
00:37:27.000 I've mentioned similar things to President Trump on it.
00:37:31.000 Here's how you strike the balance.
00:37:33.000 You get an informed electorate.
00:37:35.000 And as part of the nonprofit work that we're doing, we're actually saying, all right, here's how you can make sure that you know the laws and that you stay involved.
00:37:45.000 I did this in North Carolina when my county, my original county was a Democrat county.
00:37:50.000 I said, well, what we're going to do is we're going to train people to know the election laws.
00:37:53.000 We're going to have them show up.
00:37:55.000 We're going to know how to contest when we see fraudulent activity and know how to do.
00:38:01.000 So that's so if you're thinking about not showing up to vote or not engaging, my message to you is don't do that.
00:38:09.000 Let's go ahead and figure out how you're going to show up not only at the ballot box, but you're going to show at the precinct level.
00:38:17.000 Let me tell you, you know how I got involved in politics?
00:38:20.000 I showed up at a precinct meeting.
00:38:22.000 There was one person at the precinct meeting.
00:38:25.000 It was me.
00:38:26.000 I became the chairman of the precinct.
00:38:28.000 And the rest is history.
00:38:30.000 And so half of the battle is showing up.
00:38:32.000 And so all those that are tuned in, I would ask if you are in a state where there's potential for it to be very close, we want you to engage.
00:38:43.000 We're willing to work with you.
00:38:44.000 If it's a nonprofit activity, a conservative partnership will help you there.
00:38:49.000 If it's political, we've got groups that we can refer you to to do that.
00:38:53.000 And I would say for 2022, let's stay engaged and show up not only for Herschel, but for a lot of these other candidates you just mentioned.
00:39:02.000 Yeah, I'm worried that there will be a suppression aspect if we don't strike that balance.
00:39:07.000 And we also don't actually give people the confidence in their elections back.
00:39:12.000 And it's a very serious issue, especially here in Arizona.
00:39:15.000 It is the number one issue, which is how do we let what happen?
00:39:18.000 And Mark, you were there in the White House watching the returns.
00:39:22.000 And we saw the late night dumps and all of this.
00:39:27.000 And also, what can we do to make sure we never get gamed like that again?
00:39:31.000 I know it was an unprecedented thing, but the problem was we were all kind of taken by surprise, and we really shouldn't have been, right?
00:39:39.000 We shouldn't have been.
00:39:40.000 Honestly, you know, it's there needs to be more litigious activity prior to each November's election.
00:39:49.000 We need to look at the state laws, and that's one of the things.
00:39:52.000 There's over 300 state laws.
00:39:54.000 So, to the person who's saying, why show up?
00:39:56.000 Because we're actually working with state legislatures to pass laws to make sure that the ballot box is sacred and truly can be counted on.
00:40:06.000 And that there is a way to audit it that will prove that if you have a fraudulent vote, there's an easy way to do that.
00:40:13.000 So, that's what we're doing.
00:40:15.000 And in addition to that, we need to understand that they ran a play.
00:40:20.000 You know, you mentioned Herschel Walker.
00:40:22.000 Part of what happened was he would find out what would work when he was running the football.
00:40:27.000 Part of it was his athletic ability.
00:40:29.000 The other is he knew if he ran off tackle for this particular team or to the left on this particular team, it would score.
00:40:36.000 Now we know their plays.
00:40:38.000 So now we know what to look at both legislatively and from an accountability standpoint.
00:40:43.000 I totally agree.
00:40:44.000 Mark, any closing thoughts?
00:40:45.000 Your book is Chief's Chief.
00:40:46.000 Everyone needs to go check it out and buy a couple of copies.
00:40:50.000 Any closing thoughts on this topic?
00:40:52.000 Yeah, so yeah.
00:40:54.000 So, Charlie, I want to finish where I started.
00:40:57.000 Thank you for your work.
00:40:58.000 For all those that have tuned in, thank you for partnering with Charlie and loving this country the way that President Trump loved this country.
00:41:06.000 The book, The Chief's Chief, will tell a number of stories, some of which have never been reported.
00:41:12.000 That you'll be able to, some of them humorous, some of them not so humorous, but all of them talk about America's greatness and the fact that he is a great president, willing to fight so hard on behalf of the forgotten man and woman.
00:41:27.000 And I would say this: listen, we've faced difficult times throughout our history as a nation.
00:41:33.000 And certainly this may be a difficult time, but it's not the most difficult time.
00:41:38.000 And I am very optimistic if the forgotten men and women, the people that are truly tuning in right now, the people who I dedicated the book to, if they will stay engaged, we'll have a better Congress, we'll have a better Senate, and quite frankly, we'll turn our country back to its founding fathers' principles.
00:42:00.000 Amen.
00:42:00.000 Well, thank you, Mark, for joining.
00:42:01.000 It's the Chiefs' Chief.
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00:42:03.000 Good to see you, Mark.
00:42:04.000 God bless you.
00:42:05.000 God bless you.
00:42:05.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:42:09.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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