Kash Patel joins the program, and then Marjorie Taylor Greene joins us to talk Trump Indictment, debt ceiling vote, and more. Thank you for listening to the Charlie Kirk Show! Charlie Kirk is the President of Turning Point USA, a national organization dedicated to fighting for freedom on college campuses across the country.
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00:01:58.000Yeah, look, from the standpoint of a former national security prosecutor and public defender, I think what his team needs to do is after the arraignment, move quickly to pretrial motions, because I think this case needs to be adjudicated before it hits a jury.
00:02:12.000The legal inconsistencies in the indictment itself by the DOJ show you their sham prosecution.
00:02:17.000For two years, they told you how Donald Trump ran around and stole and hid and burned classified information.
00:02:25.000And then when push came to shove and they went to a grand jury and they said, we are going to show the world that Donald Trump illegally possessed classified information.
00:02:36.000They reached back to a statute under the Espionage Act, the National Defense Information Park, which is 105 years old, which we use to charge sailors and things like that, and said Donald Trump somehow possessed information he shouldn't have.
00:02:51.000And we think he was grossly negligent.
00:03:52.000These people are institutionalists like Bill Barr and company, and they destroy our system of justice.
00:03:57.000And we need to get them out of there forever.
00:04:01.000Is it fair to say, Cash, that this is so the President Truckers Act does not have a criminal component?
00:04:08.000So they introduced this Espionage Act of 1917 that was passed shortly after the United States entered World War I by Woodrow Wilson, one of America's worst presidents by far.
00:04:20.000And in some ways, Woodrow Wilson also birthed the administrative state that is pushing forward the statute.
00:04:26.000It's all very interesting and fitting.
00:04:28.000We, in a lot of ways, are living in the country that Woodrow Wilson built, former head of Princeton University, historicist, German historicist who hated the country, hated the founding, and became president because Teddy Roosevelt ran as a third party in the election of 1912.
00:04:43.000Looking through this indictment, though, Cash, something's missing for me.
00:04:49.000I don't see anything about destroying documents.
00:05:11.000And you pick up on a very fine point of the indictment that I think wrecks its entire precipice.
00:05:16.000They are saying they have a sensitive recording, putting aside the problems they have with attorney client privilege, breaking that, of Donald Trump talking about some document to some media reporter, some book.
00:05:31.000The document they're talking about that Donald Trump was supposedly waving around unlawfully, that was super classified, isn't one of the documents identified in the indictment itself.
00:05:42.000That means to me, the government doesn't have it.
00:05:46.000They're going to go in there and ask the judge for a spoliation of evidence reading to the jury.
00:05:51.000What that means is they're going to say Donald Trump was so reckless and we, the government, tried so hard to find this document, but we think he destroyed it.
00:06:21.000As a guy who was first subpoenaed by the January 6th committee and these same Cretans were running this thing, they asked me for an hour about a document they couldn't produce that Millie had supposedly written.
00:06:32.000And I said, can you just show me the document so I can see it?
00:06:58.000So, Cash, if you were to try to take down the mob, which you did some very heavy prosecutorial work, take down people that are up to no good, you would also indict the bagman, the bodyman, to try to work your way up.
00:07:26.000But you can't have a conspiracy without someone else.
00:07:29.000And what they wanted to do in this indictment, this speaking indictment, as we call them, is dirty up President Trump so much in the media and so much in the minds of the jury that they're just going to be like, oh my God, he did something wrong.
00:07:41.000Plus, he's got a co-conspirator, this guy who was always around him and they were talking about stuff.
00:07:46.000Well, that guy, Walt Nada, that was his job to be the president's personal valet and to be around and do what the president says.
00:07:54.000Every president has them and every former president has them.
00:07:58.000And so now they're just building up a conspiracy.
00:08:00.000But legally, if the president, which I believe is not guilty of the charged offenses in the top of the indictment, there can be no conspiracy.
00:08:10.000There can be no lying to federal officers if there's no illegality in the first place.
00:08:14.000And that's why I go back to the Espionage Act and the NDI stuff we were talking about.
00:08:18.000So is there this could borderline on just complaining, but it's not complaining.
00:08:25.000Is there an equal protection claim here, Cash, that secretaries of state, they weren't charged under these similar statutes for actually consciously committing these crimes?
00:08:36.000Or is that just going to fall on deaf ears with this judge?
00:08:38.000I mean, it depends on the judge, right?
00:08:40.000Look, they drew the judge on forum shopping that they didn't want to draw, which is kind of ironic since they lied to the federal court in the charging document saying there were no related cases when they brought this charge in the first instance.
00:08:52.000So I think the judge is going to catch on to prosecutional misconduct.
00:08:55.000I've outlined in other places Karen Gilbert's misconduct, Jay Bratt's alleged misconduct.
00:08:59.000I think that's all going to come forward.
00:09:01.000And then the smart defense attorneys will be able to couple that with other legal instances, Petraeus, Clinton, Berger, the sock drawer case, and everything, and combine that to show that this was a politicized prosecution.
00:09:15.000So if we have a judge who's going to hold her ground, I think it's going to come to an end before a jury ever sees it, or it should.
00:09:21.000Yeah, but realistically, you think that a judge is going to dismiss these charges on, I mean, look, the Trump legal team is going to do motions to dismiss.
00:09:30.000Mark Levin made a great point, though, is that the amount of pressure for top-level lawyers not to take this case is significant.
00:09:39.000So a boutique law firm is probably going to end up taking this.
00:09:42.000They have thousands of documents to go through, hundreds of witnesses.
00:09:47.000Just the manpower, Cash, to figure out this maze, this thicket, this thorny labyrinth is going to be thousands of billable hours, right?
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00:11:31.000I mean, politically, I think he may want to get this thing wrapped up and shown that it's a fraud as early as possible.
00:11:38.000But in order to do that, he's going to have to file some extensive pretrial motions, not just to dismiss.
00:11:43.000You can't go to the dismissal right away.
00:11:46.000You have to build a case for the causes of corruption that are built in.
00:11:49.000And I did an exclusive about Karen Gilbert, the deputy special counsel, who I actually tried cases against in the Southern District of Florida, who's the Weissman of this case, who was caught by a judge unlawfully wiretapping a defense attorney's recorded conversations during a prosecution and was throttled by the district court.
00:12:15.000I need to challenge the Jay Bratt allegation that he dangled a judgeship in front of a lawyer for a codefendant.
00:12:20.000And I think they need to look at all of Jack Smith's underlying activities.
00:12:25.000And they need to challenge the breaking of attorney-client privilege under the crime fraud exception where Donald Trump is shown to have been discussing options with his attorney.
00:12:36.000And if that's the case and that's allowed to stand, then no more counsel can ever consult with their clients and tell them what their options are, yes or no.
00:12:45.000And so I think there's a multitude of people.
00:12:48.000Again, I'm a layman in this stuff and I think I share the confusion with our audience.
00:12:54.000Piercing the attorney-client privilege is something that is so, from my understanding, rare and dangerous.
00:13:02.000Cash, have you ever, as a prosecutor, were you ever able to pierce that veil?
00:13:08.000And I was glad as a public defender when prosecutors tried to pierce it against me that it never happened.
00:13:13.000And the judge that did it in this case is the chief judge, or I think the former chief judge in the District of Columbia, who basically has this case rigged against Donald Trump from junk.
00:13:23.000But the judge that was assigned the case in Miami can review those decisions and the evidence.
00:13:28.000And I think they need to bring a pretty powerful motion on that right away.
00:13:45.000And the only instance where it can't is say, Charlie, I'm your lawyer and you come to me or I go to you and I'm like, hey, we should go kill this guy down the street.
00:13:52.000And you're like, yeah, I'll give you 20 grand for that.
00:13:54.000The crime fraud exception comes in to say, these guys architected a crime together.
00:13:59.000The attorney-client privilege can no longer stand.
00:14:55.000These double standards are starting to come out.
00:14:57.000And why was Hillary Clinton not charged under the National Defense Information Act for actually being grossly negligent with her attorney by destroying evidence and having classified information on an unlawful server that she communicated with people to include the current and the government never got their stuff back?
00:15:17.000Hillary Clinton made things permanently disappear.
00:15:21.000Based on everything that we have available, the government was able to get stuff back.
00:15:25.000In fact, there is other, you know, harder to prove evidence, but let's just say circumstantial, that Hillary Clinton might have used all this classified stuff in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation.
00:15:44.000I think the two-tier system of justice is what I've told President Trump to highlight, which I think is starting to come out heavily, whether it's January 6th, Russia Gay, the documents case, Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton, Clinton Sock drawer, Sandy Berger, General Petreus, what have you.
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00:17:23.000Joining us now, Marjorie Taylor Green, who gave a great speech at our Young Women's Leadership Summit.
00:17:30.000Congresswoman, welcome back to the program.
00:17:46.000So I want to dive into some of your remarks there, but first I want to clear up just some of the confusion from our audience.
00:17:51.000Tell us about your vote on the debt ceiling, why you voted on it, and because our audience is asking about it, and we'll go from there.
00:17:56.000Yeah, thank you for asking about that.
00:17:58.000I don't know if many people saw the news articles, but when I came to Washington that week for the debt ceiling, I had called it a basically a crap sandwich, but I used another word.
00:18:10.000It was something I never wanted to vote on.
00:18:12.000And I was having a really hard time with it and understanding the bill.
00:18:16.000But I spent a lot of time talking with Thomas Massey, who has the most fiscally conservative voting record in Congress.
00:18:24.000And I vote just like Thomas Massey most of the time.
00:18:28.000And talking with Thomas Massey, there's a plan in the debt ceiling bill that allows us to use appropriations the way they're meant to be used.
00:18:36.000It separates the appropriations into 12 separate bills, which is extremely important.
00:18:44.000And if Congress cannot approve 12 separate appropriation bills, it automatically goes into a CR, a continuing resolution that continues funding, except it cuts 1% of the government.
00:18:57.000So that's a 1% cut in spending after already an agreed-upon $1.5 trillion cut in spending.
00:19:04.000Those are the only things in the bill that I thought were important.
00:19:08.000And I agreed with Thomas Massey on voting for that for a plan because we need to use appropriations.
00:19:14.000That's the only tool we have to fight against the weaponized government.
00:19:19.000And I want to go ahead and announce on your show, I just tweeted it out a little while ago, that I'm writing an appropriations rider to defund special counsel Jack Smith's office and investigation.
00:19:31.000And I refuse to vote for any appropriation bills that fund the weaponized government or things like the FBI's new headquarters in Virginia.
00:19:40.000This is the way that Republicans can fight, and I'm committed to using appropriations for that battle.
00:19:45.000Which will be a bigger headquarters than the Pentagon, just to be clear.
00:19:51.000We now have a domestic police headquarters that would be nicer and better furnished than the Pentagon really makes you think about the priorities of our government.
00:20:02.000Okay, I want to play a piece of tape here, Congresswoman, of your remarks at our turning point USA Young Women's Leadership Summit, Play Cut 12.
00:20:09.000You're told you can't say things like this, and I'm going to say it.
00:20:12.000I just drove up to here at the Gay Lord, and I saw three flags.
00:20:16.000And one of the flags, which was just as big as the other ones, our United States flag, the Texas flag, was the rainbow flag.
00:20:26.000Shame on them for hanging that flag out there.
00:20:30.000Because it shouldn't be about what people do sexually that causes us to hang a flag somewhere.
00:20:37.000The only flags, the only flags that should ever be hung should be our United States flag, and it's big and beautiful in the back of this room and a state flag.
00:20:52.000Now that's, of course, pushed by Marriott Corporate.
00:20:55.000We did our best to try to get it removed and we failed.
00:20:58.000So any thought, and you want to elaborate?
00:21:00.000By the way, this is not an isolated incident, Congresswoman.
00:21:03.000The Biden White House had the gay flag prominently displayed this weekend.
00:21:09.000We could pull that up, where it wasn't just the gay flag, it was the trans flag, new one, with the American flag playing second and third fiddle.
00:21:29.000I called them out because the pride movement is not about rights for gay people anymore.
00:21:36.000That has been totally determined for a very long time.
00:21:39.000Every single American has equal rights.
00:21:42.000They have the equal right to vote, equal right to be able to buy a home, to have a job if they qualify for job qualifications, get an education, and so much more in America.
00:21:52.000But that flag that you're showing there that the White House and Joe Biden prominently displays is more important than the United States American flag has become a symbol of aggression.
00:22:03.000And it's an aggression in a type of form that should be concerning to all Americans.
00:22:12.000And it's the sexualizing of children, grooming children to believe a complete lie, that they can change their gender.
00:22:19.000And the sexualization and grooming of children to train children to believe that the way they have sex when they get old enough to have sex is how that should identify them as a person is the most perverted.
00:22:35.000And it's an attack on our children who are the most innocent among us.
00:22:39.000And I'm completely disgusted with this.
00:22:41.000And, you know, I call on many people in the gay community.
00:22:45.000I call on them to stand against this because their movement has been hijacked.
00:22:52.000And last night, Charlie, I'll finish up one more thing.
00:22:55.000In the night last night where I live in Washington, D.C., late into the night, all I heard was the crowd all around, all over the streets, having the Pride Festival continuing on.
00:23:08.000And when I had to drive back to my condo yesterday, I witnessed so much of it as we drove through it all.
00:23:16.000I mean, I even saw one woman that had no pants on.
00:23:25.000They're all over Twitter and how disgusting this is.
00:23:28.000This has nothing to do with equal rights.
00:23:31.000This is a movement that has been hijacked and It is being used to push the worst sexual perversion that we have ever seen in modern day history.
00:23:42.000And I'm calling it modern day Sodom Gomorrah.
00:23:45.000Modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, Media Matters, make sure you quote that one.
00:23:49.000You know, it's interesting you say that there is no such thing as a secular society.
00:25:07.000But the weaponization of government and what we're seeing coming out of the Department of Justice with communist tactics that we've witnessed for several years now is appalling to so many people that not only has it solidified his support among the base, but he is pulling support among independents, even Democrats, and those Republicans that were supporting other candidates like Ron DeSantis and others.
00:25:33.000You know, like I said, I've announced today that I'm writing an appropriations writer to defund Jack Smith's special counsel, but we need to go further.
00:25:43.000What I read on the 1023 form on Friday of last week that has clear evidence that Joe Biden took a $5 million bribe in order to get Victor Shokin fired, the prosecutor in Ukraine that was investigating Burisma.
00:26:00.000This is to a point where I think it's all hands on deck.
00:27:14.000Apparently, I'm trending on Twitter for not for basically telling young women that they should prayfully consider getting married and having children.
00:27:24.000This is what the regime chattering class on Twitter is so fired up about.
00:27:36.000You must tell young girls to freeze their eggs, have cats, drink as much wine as possible, have a bunch of gay friends, and do not have boyfriends.
00:28:04.000This whole idea of putting your career first, I think is a very, very dangerous proposition.
00:28:08.000It could work out for you, but I hear stories every day.
00:28:11.000Charlie, I decided to go become a partner at a law firm, and now I'm 32 years old, and I can't find anyone because all the good ones are gone.
00:28:18.000There is some truth to quote unquote, the good ones being gone.
00:28:24.000And so I think you should prioritize what do I want most in my life.
00:28:28.000And if that thing is the best thing that I think a human being can do, which is to get married and have kids, then you should do that with clear intentionality.
00:28:37.000By the way, I was pretty non-judgmental.
00:28:39.000I said, if this, if you want to do the greatest thing human beings can do, by the way, outside of worship of the Lord, it is the commandment to be fruitful and multiply.
00:28:48.000Yeah, I mean, if you want to just put your career first and all that, there's a cost to everything in life.
00:28:53.000And the cost is you could become a partner at a law firm and be a cat person.
00:28:57.000We have an obligation in our public commentary to tell the truth.
00:29:42.000And the secular society that is attacking us and just the kind of pleasure-seeking society, how dare Charlie Kirk tell people not to pursue their career?
00:31:11.000And their ideas are so bad, you eventually become a beta, which is the furthest extra.
00:31:16.000It is the end result of Postmodern liberalism, which is have to take, you know, eat a bunch of soy, get my testosterone levels down, can't be too disagreeable, toxic masculinity.