00:00:41.000We have President Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Lauren Boebert, Josh Hawley, Dan Bongino, Megan Kelly, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump Jr., and more.
00:01:18.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:26.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:52.000It is giving people a reason to believe things can improve.
00:01:56.000As we've said before, we are living under a regime occupation of a uniparty cartel that hates you, hates your values, that participates in the desecration of the White House.
00:02:08.000Two massive trans flags, only one American flag, allowing the trans strippers to come on the White House lawn.
00:03:47.000Do we have a ballot chasing operation yet in place in Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin?
00:03:51.000We're trying our best at turning point action, but pales in comparison to the hundreds of millions of dollars that the Democrats are spending.
00:03:58.000And the Democrats just seem so confident.
00:04:00.000Why are the Democrats willing to run again with Joe Biden, who can barely form sentences, who is under massive corruption allegations, whose son is literally going to be a self-admitted, acknowledged felon?
00:04:15.000Why are they confident to run Joe Biden again with no charisma, no spark?
00:04:45.000This machine is supported by Lorene Powell Jobs, now Alexander Soros, Reid Hoffman, and many others.
00:04:57.000It is supported by hundreds of millions and billions of dollars to chase ballots and sue via Mark Elias, who I don't think is in the mix anymore, but his kind of philosophy.
00:05:06.000All-out lawfair, 501c4s, and super PACs.
00:05:10.000Now, while we as Republicans are about to now participate in a $1.5 billion primary, the Democrats are saying, sure, you guys go spend all that money.
00:05:24.000You go bring Donald Trump's favorables down a little bit.
00:05:26.000You guys go muddy yourself up and tar and feather your leading candidate.
00:05:31.000We are going to invest in the key states.
00:05:34.000I am here to caution, and I've said this before on the program, and I'm going to continue to say this: the consultant class does not care about winning the White House in 2024.
00:05:45.000Chris Christie running for the presidency has said, I will not vote for Donald Trump if he's the nominee.
00:05:50.000Okay, so he's acknowledging it's not about beating the Marxist Democrats.
00:05:55.000It's not about beating this monarchy that is reigning terror over the American people.
00:07:53.000And I hear from people all the time, and this is one little, I will say, one helpful part of this poll that we shouldn't totally ignore, is that yes, he can win.
00:08:54.000I care about who is going to fulfill the mandate to save the country.
00:08:58.000And sometimes you have to check your ego, check your pride, and say, I love my grandkids enough that, yes, someone I don't like might be president, but he would be a good president.
00:09:08.000Do you notice they don't attack him on his accomplishments?
00:09:10.000Oh, you know, it's his indictments, which are nonsense and silly.
00:09:36.000But I'm going to tell you right now, we are on pace to lose.
00:09:40.000People don't like it when I say that because we are not building the infrastructure in the core early states.
00:09:46.000We're doing our best at turning point action, but we don't have the RC type resources or money, but we're going to do our best to try to raise the capital to do a very simple thing, ballot chasing, in the three states that matter.
00:09:58.000We've already committed $5 million in Wisconsin to help out Scott Pressler.
00:10:02.000I'm going to figure out a way to raise that money, add that to the list of stuff we have to do.
00:10:08.000My motivation, my energy that I have right now as an activist, as a patriot that I know you have, is not shared by the Republican consultant class.
00:10:18.000They're kind of like, meh, another four years of Biden.
00:10:41.000But you have to simultaneously do the other thing.
00:10:44.000I believe you actually have an obligation, which is to support women in need and babies in need that are at risk of being aborted.
00:10:52.000Look, when you introduce a girl to her baby by providing an ultrasound, you're giving her the truth at the most critical and important time in her life.
00:11:00.00085% of the time when they actually see the baby, they choose life.
00:11:06.000Now, mind you, pre-born provides resources.
00:11:12.000And I encourage you, if you're pro-life, to pray about this.
00:11:15.000Are you giving money to actually support the unborn if you are voting for pro-life?
00:11:18.000Look, $140 gives five mothers a free ultrasound and saves babies.
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00:11:27.000I'm a donor to this organization, and you should be too.
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00:11:34.000Whether you want to save one baby or five or hundreds, this opportunity is just a phone call or click away.
00:11:41.000I think the world of pre-born, I give money financially.
00:11:44.000And every one of you that are pro-life, I believe you have a duty and an obligation to go to preborn.org slash Kirk and give as you can, give your best gift, or call 833-850-2229.
00:13:00.000You know, somebody said, someone who didn't like Trump asked me the other day, a donor type, Charlie, what do we have to do to get rid of Trump?
00:13:08.000I said, well, if he wins the presidency, he'll never run again.
00:17:02.000They're spending their money on boring infrastructure, boring ballot chasing, boring lawfare.
00:17:11.000And so therefore, unless we change it, if more advertisements like that and more money like that continues, we are going to fall short in November of 24.
00:19:40.000It's frustrating, but I think expectation management is always so important no matter what you're going into.
00:19:46.000And I did expect it to be frustrating.
00:19:49.000I expected it to be extremely difficult to get things done.
00:19:52.000And I expected to be disappointed a lot.
00:19:54.000And so I try and keep that expectation management in place so that I can continue to slug it out and hopefully, you know, be a part of turning this aircraft carrier around.
00:20:04.000Yeah, no, and then aircraft carriers tend to take a while to turn around, right?
00:20:12.000You're fighting the tough fights and you have a lot of courage.
00:20:15.000On a day-to-day basis, having like a seven-month window here, were you more surprised by Democrats or Republicans in the halls of Congress as far as your expectations?
00:20:46.000I can say that it's a lot harder to be in that room casting those votes and just watching, you know, it's Republicans frustrate me a lot more than Democrats.
00:21:43.000I think it's very complex, just like human beings are.
00:21:46.000I think there's a level of corruption.
00:21:48.000I think there's individuals that get there because they're bought and paid for from the start.
00:21:55.000I think that there are people that are scared because they know that they're not just going up against Democrats.
00:22:00.000They're going up against the administrative state, the deep state, whatever it is, and intelligence agencies, all of it.
00:22:08.000And I mean, the chairman of the Freedom Caucus, Scott Perry, got a cell phone, you know, taken by the FBI.
00:22:13.000Everybody knows that if you push back on the system hard enough, you're not going to get free shots on goal sooner or later.
00:22:22.000You're going to have to deal with them and they're going to deal with you.
00:22:25.000And so I don't think a lot of people have the courage to not only possibly tank their political career, but to possibly get in trouble by pushing too hard against the juggernaut.
00:22:37.000So they would rather just stay in line, do what they're told.
00:22:40.000Yeah, continue to push the status quo.
00:22:43.000And just kind of be performative in their opportunities.
00:22:46.000But then you can come back because the American people, and this is frustrating too, Charlie, because the American people are checked out and complacent, they can come back to their district and they can be, oh, they can be the champion, man, when they talk to you at the town halls and the Lincoln Day dinners.
00:23:08.000It was so frustrating, Charlie, because, you know, you know that we cannot continue doing what we're doing.
00:23:14.000And yet, when you look at that bill that Kevin McCarthy, Joe Biden came to that agreement together, you had more Democrats voting for it than Republicans.
00:23:24.000And yet the Republicans will sit there and gaslight you and tell you what a great bill this was.
00:23:31.000I was sitting in a meeting with Kevin McCarthy and some of the other Freedom Caucus members.
00:23:36.000And, you know, one of the things he said in that meeting, Charlie, was, oh, I couldn't believe when I came back, you guys were disappointed.
00:23:47.000I mean, this is $4 trillion at the minimum.
00:23:50.000And instead of the bill that we passed out of the house where we could have come back next year and gotten another bite at the apple and renegotiated.
00:24:02.000Instead of doing that, we've got this, you know, this debt ceiling bill with no caps and all the good stuff that we had in our spending bill basically stripped out of it.
00:24:11.000And it's just, it's tough to watch because you see, you see the consistent sellout and then you watch the gaslighting that goes on after it.
00:24:19.000And it's just like, yeah, no wonder we're in such a bad spot.
00:24:22.000Do you feel amongst just an ordinary Republican colleague a sense of urgency?
00:24:30.000And it just like, you know, I've had conversations with, you know, friends and, you know, colleagues up there.
00:24:36.000And, you know, it's like, hey, what's it going to take, man?
00:24:42.000What line are they going to have to cross for you to like, for you to realize that we're in a war here and to start actually going to war with us?
00:24:49.000Because they're, you know, at any given time, there's maybe 25, 30 people up there, I feel like, who are willing to wage war.
00:24:56.000And actually, and it's funny when we do, Charlie, you'll, you'll notice, I know you've seen this a lot in your own career, but they'll start calling us legislative terrorists and all sorts.
00:25:05.000Arsonists, all sorts of crazy stuff like that.
00:25:08.000And it's all a part of the campaign to get you back in line and get you back on the team and get you back playing ball and pushing the status quo.
00:25:17.000So are you in the House Freedom Caucus?
00:25:20.000Are you at liberty to share anything about Marjorie Taylor Green and that whole thing?
00:25:24.000You know, I don't want to put you on the spot here.
00:25:26.000It's just, it's the news item of the day.
00:25:28.000Yeah, you know, that whole situation is so frustrating to me.
00:25:33.000It's so, it's so frustrating to me just because I know the force that Marjorie Taylor Greene is and that she can be.
00:25:42.000But what I can tell your audience is there are things that she did, you know, multiple things that she did that kind of cross the line.
00:25:51.000And, you know, there are there are basically contracts that we sign and agreements that we make, basically saying, this will be my conduct.
00:26:00.000I will adhere to this, this, and this.
00:26:31.000Because you have to vote in a certain way or there's all these procedures, if I'm not mistaken, right?
00:26:35.000Well, yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, we, if we're going to have a group in a caucus, we want there to be a similar worldview and not just in, not just in voice and what you say.
00:26:47.000And even when you put that voting card in and you actually, you know, vote, we want there to be some, you know, where it's not just performative, but it's actually functionally this individual is conservative and casting conservative votes.
00:27:31.000Just the fact that you've gone into the lion's den.
00:27:33.000And quite frankly, when I look at education, I think it's something that myself included, many Republicans abandoned a long time ago as if this is too far gone.
00:27:42.000But you guys did something, are doing something that is extremely courage.
00:27:46.000And one thing I can tell your audience is I used to get really pissed off at politicians, and I still do a little bit.
00:27:51.000But now that I've seen it, I get more pissed off at constituents and the American people, the people that I love.
00:28:53.000So what are you saying, Eli, is that we need a forceful agenda into primaries, into state central committee fights, the stuff before the general.
00:29:01.000Because look, you're an Arizona second congressional.
00:29:03.000You beat O'Halloran by seven points, right?
00:29:05.000The real race for you was in the primary.
00:29:31.000And it's people that have a history and a lineage of, here's the key, doing the right thing, doing the right thing when they felt like it was going to cost them.
00:29:40.000Because if you don't have that history, if you don't have that foundation, you're not going to find it up in Washington, D.C.
00:29:45.000And the moment you get up there, Charlie, the machine, the apparatus tries to suck you in.
00:29:50.000And if they can't suck you in, if they can't compromise you, influence you, they try and spit you out and destroy you.
00:29:58.000Look for people that have had it, done the right thing consistently when they felt like it was going to cost them.
00:30:04.000And that really is a question of human.
00:30:06.000I mean, how can you find enough people?
00:30:07.000Because, I mean, you're going to have one out of, I mean, basically the composition, it's hard to find courageous people in anything you do.
00:30:22.000And here's the thing with veterans, too.
00:30:24.000I'm a veteran advocate, but veterans often have trouble up in Washington just because they think the Republican Party or the Democrat Party is their new chain of command.
00:30:34.000Well, I want to talk about that because I think I totally agree with you because I can't tell you how many veterans I've seen to go to D.C. that become neoliberals.
00:32:25.000So I think that, you know, if there was maybe a little bit of a mind shift, you know, I think maybe, you know, but I think that's the, I think that's a lot of the issue.
00:32:33.000I also find, at least somewhat philosophically, some of the veterans they refuse to question anything with the defense budget, military spending, foreign wars, like there's no conversation at all.
00:32:48.000And it's, it's disappointing to me, too, because, you know, it's just like when I look at what's going on, it's like there's, there's corruption everywhere in every institution up there.
00:32:58.000And it's just like this sheep mentality, this, you know, it just, we're not going to save the country that way.
00:33:29.000And I think that, you know, I think that voters out there and pundits and people that watch these elections, I think you should be very skeptical of every politician, every candidate, until they show you, you know, what they're made of.
00:33:42.000And thankfully for me, Charlie, I got the opportunity right off the bat.
00:34:58.000And I was pretty much the swing vote because I wanted to represent my voters.
00:35:02.000And whether I'm right or I was wrong, that's why.
00:35:05.000Do you think like a normal Republican congressman, not you, if they got tons of pressure from their constituents, they would listen to that generally?
00:35:14.000That's my, that's my personal opinion.
00:35:16.000I think that, you know, I don't think that's typically, you know, how most people, you know, play the game up there or how, you know, what they think.
00:35:24.000I think I think they think that I'm here.
00:35:29.000But I want to take that part of what I think, my instinct, my gut, but I also want to merge that with what I'm hearing from my voters and then hopefully pray about it, ask God for wisdom.