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00:01:41.000I disagree with his take, which is definitely a dicey position for a Catholic to be in.
00:01:46.000Yeah, I mean, you are a very devoted Catholic, and to publicly come out against it, that's interesting.
00:01:52.000We'll get into that probably in a little bit.
00:01:55.000But yeah, the breaking news this Monday morning here from the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona is that Ilhan Omar's house has been raided, her D.C. home.
00:02:05.000This was a moment that we never, ever thought was going to happen.
00:02:09.000Nobody has the guts to do this, right?0.79
00:02:13.000A Muslim sitting congresswoman at that, but here you go.
00:02:16.000You are looking at images from this morning of HSI from the DHS.
00:02:23.000They are investigating this, they are looking into it.
00:02:25.000So the question is, what are they looking into?
00:02:30.000Now, we know because Tom Homan has said he doesn't want to get ahead of Todd Blanch, obviously the attorney general, that this is a DOJ matter that he doesn't want to race ahead, but he did confirm there is an active investigation going on.
00:02:44.000There's a lot of speculation about what it could be.
00:02:46.000They are mom at this point, so we'll have to speculate.
00:03:03.000This is the explanation given by sources close to the investigation.
00:03:07.000Agents are likely looking for evidence of material misrepresentation about family relationships, circumstances of arrival, Or other details on forms filed by her father.
00:03:18.000Proven fraud and naturalization can support, guess what?
00:03:56.000So that's theory one immigration paperwork.
00:03:59.000Number two, a broader immigration fraud allegations, including the longstanding theory, and it is just a theory about the brother marriage claim.
00:05:00.000Financial related issues or family matters.
00:05:03.000Omar has faced scrutiny over large swings in reported personal finances and disclosures and has been linked to criticism of Minnesota fraud scandals involving the Somali community.
00:05:15.000So there's been a longstanding suspicion, and it's just a suspicion.
00:05:19.000I can't prove it, but maybe the DOJ or HSI can.0.97
00:05:23.000That all of that fraud that we saw in the Somali community that Nick Shirley helped expose, that so many others helped expose at City Journal and Daily Wire, that potentially she might be wrapped up in some of that.0.99
00:05:35.000Well, let's remember, she had her net worth reported at $6 to $30 million.0.93
00:05:40.000And then when that got noticed, she came out and said, Oh, no, that's higher time.
00:05:46.000And one wonders if she, in a kind of dumb way, was trying to distract from maybe something another person on her staff, someone preparing her paperwork, divulged a little more than they were supposed to.
00:07:19.000If you could actually denaturalize, strip the citizenship from Ilhan Omar because her arrival here was fraudulent from the start.0.92
00:07:28.000And then she used it to feed into crime schemes that we know a lot of Somali immigration rings are involved in.
00:07:36.000That would just be tremendous, not just for its own sake, because she's a radical, anti American, pro various terrorist groups.
00:07:44.000Congresswoman, but it would also be a win because I think it would be so high profile.
00:07:48.000It would really force people to reckon with what we have with our immigration system, which is there are entire thousands of people who have a lot of asabia with each other, a lot of camaraderie within their groups.
00:08:02.000They can coordinate aggressively to exploit our system, which is built for people being fundamentally pretty individualistic and fundamentally honest.
00:08:11.000And there are just a lot of people around the world who are not like that.
00:08:15.000And America is a feeding frenzy for groups like that.
00:08:43.000Learning that federal officers have conducted a search and did so early today at the home of Democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar.
00:08:51.000Appears to be some level of an immigration investigation, but it is quite notable it's in the middle of an election season and that this is a sitting member of Congress running for reelection.
00:09:02.000It is a policy that the Department of Justice needs to take a lot of precautions in the 60 days before an election.
00:09:45.000We think it's about a paperwork issue, which could lead to a denaturalization process being pursued with her, which I think would be great for the whole country.0.76
00:09:53.000There was a clip, and we're going to get into this with Jesse Kelly in just a few minutes here, but.0.97
00:09:59.000You know, there was a clip of El Sayed saying, Hey, America, it's America's obligation to open the borders and all the stuff.
00:10:05.000And I would just admit to you, are we a stronger country because we have Abdul El Sayed, because we have Hassan Piker, because we have Ilhan Omar, because we have Mom Dhani?
00:10:15.000Are we a stronger country or are we weaker?
00:10:20.000I mean, I assume I know the answer, but I want to hear your thoughts on this because we have railed against immigration on this show probably more than any other topic because it, as Blake aptly said, it is the fix everything switch.0.91
00:10:33.000And it is absolutely insane because our founders never envisioned this.0.52
00:10:36.000They never envisioned a country where we were having to make peace and make a.
00:10:39.000Like, there is a tweet from Ilhan Omar talking about the rule of law in 2023 going after President Trump.1.00
00:10:46.000Imagine the absolute demoralization campaign that it takes for us to get lectured by a Somali about the rule of law, a country that has none.1.00
00:10:56.000Not merely lectured, like, they will lecture you and then have a totally different understanding of what that means from.1.00
00:11:04.000Two and a half centuries of American experience.
00:11:06.000And we see this that you'll have like Pramila Jayapal and all these other like, you know, radical lefties.
00:11:11.000They'll come in and then not only are they on the far left of our political spectrum, what that manifests as is they're actually like much more willing to restrict speech, very radical about wanting to restrict the right to bear arms, very radical about wanting to restrict the economy.
00:11:27.000They want to bring in like a socialized economy, very much associated with countries that they originated from, the views of people they came from.
00:11:34.000And Not in line with the American experience that made us the country they wanted to move to in the first place.
00:11:40.000Well, and we're going to get in this Talrico story here in just a second, but I got to play this clip because she is just, like I said, nails on a chalkboard.1.00
00:12:45.000You know, we had Mark Halperin on on Friday, and he was like, Well, he could be setting the stage for some big reveal, like jumping out of a cake somewhere.
00:13:20.000Conservative folks on Twitter and some of Paxton's ally were pushing the idea that you had a stress induced episode and were getting treatment for it.
00:14:31.000Now, so I accidentally waded into this on X last night, and I just said, listen, guys, regardless of whether he was at a mental health facility or not, you don't bail on your campaign for almost two weeks, probably the biggest job interview of your life, and not find that disqualifying.
00:14:50.000Now, that being said, we have to tell the audience what happened.
00:14:54.000So over the weekend, There were some folks on X that suggested that they had proof that he had actually flown to Cincinnati to a mental health facility.
00:15:03.000Well, the mental health facility is now saying they're denying that.
00:15:06.000They're saying straight up that didn't happen.
00:15:09.000But here's the issue the whole campaign handled this so ham fistedly that we don't really know what the story is unless you're just inclined to believe James Talrico.
00:15:19.000Do you guys believe this explanation that it was the flu?
00:15:22.000Do you think something else is going on here?
00:15:55.000Another possibility, and I talked to Dave Weigel at Semaphore, a good reporter that we're friends with, and he threw out the possibility that maybe, really, he was maybe better by nine days or so.
00:16:05.000And that's when people started talking about it.
00:16:06.000And they thought, let's let this play out.
00:16:08.000They might hurt themselves by overreaching here.
00:16:13.000And I think people fixated on one potential interpretation that was really, really salacious and dramatic, which, if true, I mean, you would understand why people would want to run with that.
00:16:23.000But I don't know that actual hard proof has been forthcoming.
00:16:26.000So there was all the speculation on the internet about whether there was a plane that Reed Hoffman set up to take him from Austin to Ohio.
00:18:24.000All the rumors going around and his explanation?
00:18:27.000Well, his explanation is not good, and there is no explanation that's good.
00:18:30.000I mean, everybody who watches this wonderful show understands this because we're all political nerds, but the last month before an election is obviously the most critical month.
00:18:39.000I know that's not exactly breaking news.
00:18:42.000I ran for Congress and lost twice, but I was the Republican nominee.
00:18:46.000And I'm telling you, I didn't see my family for a month.
00:19:04.000They call it the most exclusive club in the world.
00:19:06.000James Tallarico, whatever poll you want to believe, appears to have a shot at winning one of those seats.
00:19:13.000You don't take 12 days off under any circumstances if that's the case, if you so happen to get the flu, if that whole lie is actually true.
00:19:23.000If you got the flu, your donors, your campaign staff would pay the finest doctors in America to rally around you and have you pumped so full of fluids and antibiotics because they would know 24, 48 hours has got to be back out there.
00:20:00.000Jesse, why doesn't he pick up the phone and start phoning in at radio shows and just being like, hey, I'm super under the weather, got this flu, but nothing's going to hold me back.
00:20:38.000I've never been down for 12 days with anything ever in my life.
00:20:42.000And the problem for Team Tallarico right now is the only explanation that makes sense is the explanation that he was checked into a facility somewhere.
00:20:52.000It's the only explanation that makes sense.
00:22:55.000And so we've got to stop discriminating that way.
00:22:58.000And I also believe that we've got to make sure that if we're honest and serious about empowering our immigrant communities, then we've got to put some money behind making sure that folks have the access to be able to train in their.
00:23:10.000Profession of choice to be able to get re licensed to do what they do here in the United States and invest in basic things like English language training.
00:23:19.000Would refugees be a part of this plan?
00:23:28.000So, Egyptian summer boy with the United Arab Emirates vacation home that advocates for Sharia law tells us, Jesse, that it is our obligation to the world to open up the doors to the third world.0.97
00:24:28.000Formerly, maybe, hopefully not, Christian based Western civilization.
00:24:31.000And we remember what Joe Biden and the communists around him did with four years, 20 to 25 million.
00:24:37.000The communist believes this is the magic bullet.
00:24:39.000And if you look at the way these things happen, the way people vote when they come in, the way they continue to expand, the communist is probably correct.0.78
00:24:47.000With the mass importation of foreigners, we cannot possibly stop the communist revolution.0.96
00:25:17.000It explains that they brought in millions and millions of foreign barbarians, and those are their new constituency.1.00
00:25:23.000The Democrats do not have a domestic constituency anymore.1.00
00:25:26.000They have a few domestic idiots who believe that they're still on their side.0.99
00:25:30.000But the Democrat Party, as a Whole has completely moved away from Americans.1.00
00:25:34.000They are the party exclusively of foreigners.0.54
00:25:36.000Yeah, you mentioned how critical it is.1.00
00:25:38.000It's not even just that Biden threw open the gates.
00:25:40.000I think it's worth reminding people the last three months before the 24 election, you can look this up.
00:25:45.000There's stories that they were trying to just rubber stamp as many citizenship applications as they could in the lead up to that election, not just so they could vote in that election, but because then they could vote in every subsequent election.
00:25:57.000In Spain, the government there, unpopular, headed for defeat.
00:26:33.000Yeah, I mean, I'll never forget that SPLC guy that on, you know, he did that interview, and on the background, there was that poster, like, gloating about the decline of the white population over the years.
00:26:47.000And when they get asked about this, they say, well, we think it's important because we believe as that number goes down, there will be more far right and white supremacist agitation.
00:27:01.000They know they have to lie about that for the most part.
00:27:03.000Now, every now and then, they get caught on camera talking about it, but I mean, you'll Hear even moderate, even though that's not a thing anymore, moderate Democrats out there just openly say, My number one goal is amnesty for $10 million.
00:27:15.000My number one goal is amnesty for $15 million.
00:27:18.000And these people are not compassionate.0.97
00:27:19.000It's not because they have some kind of heart for click click from Nigeria.0.98
00:27:23.000They have no heart for anyone else whatsoever.0.97
00:27:30.000If you are a communist in any part of Western civilization, you understand instinctively that the mass importation of foreigners means you will win.0.74
00:27:39.000And you understand that domestic patriots are your enemy.0.90
00:27:49.000Yeah, well, and by the way, I just want the audience to know if you are blackpilled, if you're dooming because of Iran or something like that, I just suggest you give, was it David Beer from the Cato Institute a follow on social media?0.62
00:28:05.000The guy just came out with this new graph, Jesse, that shows that the Trump administration has cut legal immigration by even more than they've cut illegal immigration.
00:28:21.000Of foreigners doesn't suddenly become wonderful just because some scumbag in Washington, D.C. decides it should be legal.0.97
00:28:27.000This country has been ripped away from the hands of the American worker and handed to foreigners, undercutting wages, taking away jobs.0.95
00:28:34.000That's why we're seeing the destruction of the middle class and rising prices, by the way.1.00
00:28:39.000You want to get prices down, you want to solve at least in large part almost every problem in our society, get 100 million barbarians out of the country.0.95
00:28:47.000This is why you're on the show, Jesse.1.00
00:29:08.000I am in Houston, and so yes, even though it's lovely fall weather for other people, it's still 88 degrees, feels like 150, so that is what it is.
00:29:27.000So there's so many things I want to get your opinion on, Jesse.
00:29:31.000But I want to start with the movement and then I want to go into feminism if we can find the time because there's only two fix everything switches immigration and feminism, like beating both of those back.
00:29:42.000But the movement has been in disarray, obviously, since we lost Charlie, which is something we think about a lot here.
00:29:48.000But I noticed that you blocked somebody that.
00:29:53.000You know, he'll interact with me on my tweets.
00:29:55.000I've never met him in person, but that was Joel Berry.
00:29:58.000And I thought it was an interesting kind of choice from you to make because you just said, hey, I'm done doing this back and forth with certain people, personalities on X or whatever.
00:30:09.000You know, when the $20 burrito thing went viral, it was actually Joel Berry replying to my $20 burrito tweet that really poured jet fuel on it.
00:31:52.000But it's not that you have to anger me.
00:31:55.000I'm not angry about things people say on there.
00:31:58.000If you mildly annoy me for any reason, I will block you immediately.
00:32:02.000And I have never, not one time, I don't know how many it's been, thousands of them, not one time have I ever thought afterwards that was a mistake or maybe a month later, even remember that.
00:32:12.000Person's name and said, wow, I wish I had them back in my life.
00:32:19.000Well, no, and I can appreciate it on a personal level.
00:32:21.000You know, given the whole thing, you know, we're building a turning point.
00:32:25.000We're trying to put together a coalition, a winning coalition.
00:32:28.000What's your take on the state of the movement, right?
00:32:30.000You've got these sort of accelerationists that are saying, hey, go vote Democrat.
00:32:35.000And you got the dissidents that are very unhappy, even when we're putting up W's, they're very unhappy about, let's say, Iran or whatever.
00:32:42.000I share some of those frustrations, certainly.
00:32:44.000But then, you know, how do we manage that where there's all these disparate streams in the movement and these factions within the movement and trying to build something that can actually win an election?
00:32:56.000And what's your take on the state of the movement right now?
00:32:59.000I think right now, if from the outside looking in, or I guess you're not on the outside, if we're just looking at it right now, but it looks like, wow, everyone's at each other's throats.
00:33:08.000And like you mentioned, there's this faction, this faction of people who argue about everything from Ukraine to taxes to immigration to Israel to all this endless stuff.
00:33:17.000And you look at it and you Think to yourself, wow, the movement's hopelessly divided.
00:33:21.000I don't necessarily look at it that way.
00:33:24.000I try to zoom out as often as humanly possible.
00:33:26.000And what we have right now is the leader of the, I don't know if we're going to call it conservative movement, America First movement, Donald Trump, the guy who has been the big cheese for over a decade.
00:33:37.000That's a very long time to be the big cheese in a movement.
00:33:42.000And like any king historically who is sick and on his deathbed, it's not when he dies, the second he goes down with the sniffles.
00:33:52.000The fighting begins over who is going to inherit the kingdom.
00:33:55.000And there are a lot of people with a lot of different coalitions, a lot of different goals who are wanting a big seat at the table or to sit at the head of the table when Donald Trump finally goes away.
00:34:24.000As long as you're not rude, I don't give a crap.0.98
00:34:26.000So we'll throw monkey poop at each other for the next two and a half years, and then we'll have a Republican nominee, and most of this stuff will quiet down.0.98
00:34:33.000Yeah, I think that's a really healthy way to look at it.
00:34:35.000You know, a lot of people, and I will tell you this at Turning Point, we get a lot of incoming.
00:34:40.000If we put, if some X person is on our speaker graphic or Y person shows up at a campus, and it's like we're trying, listen, you in the movement, you can have your factionalism, you can fight and throw monkey poop, as you call it, at each other.
00:34:53.000Our role is a little bit different.0.86
00:34:55.000We have to be thinking about how do we keep.
00:34:58.000Some semblance of a coalition together, but I think that's super healthy.
00:35:00.000And people need to get back to a point where they disagree, and it doesn't have to be so personal, or you don't have to call somebody evil, right?
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00:39:06.000We covered that in hour one because those are the main takes.
00:39:08.000But I want to get your take on this, Alex, because let's start with Tal Rico.
00:39:14.000I jumped in and I just said, hey, it doesn't matter if he's at a mental health facility or not, whatever.
00:39:20.000Here's what happened, though the podcast bros on the left, the Pod Save America folks, the Will Sommers of the world, they jumped on me instantly, which tells it's a tell in and of itself.
00:39:33.000So if you don't live in the online space, I mean, there's some polls that say it's like basically 1% of people are actually.
00:39:40.000If you don't do that, you wouldn't understand what it feels like when you hit something, when you hit the trip, the trip wire, and they come after you, you're like, ah, something's up.
00:39:52.000They think they can exploit the fact that there's this rumor going around that he was at a mental health facility, and they think that they can use this to gin up sympathy for him or make us look crazy.
00:40:02.000But something about this story doesn't sit right with me.
00:41:11.000Like people were saying, is it disqualifying if he had a mental breakdown?0.96
00:41:15.000I said, No, what's disqualifying is that he believes in mutilating five year olds, that he believes in an open border, that he believes that white people have this racism virus.0.99
00:41:26.000Like all of those things are so disqualifying that if it was the Republican who had a mental breakdown, you would say, no, we still have to vote for that guy because this guy is a lunatic who will destroy the United States.0.99
00:41:39.000And not to mention the stuff like your six genders.1.00
00:41:41.000I mean, the guy is completely nuts.0.97
00:41:44.000And remember when Trump was on a beer aspirin and so he had the little splotches on his skin, like A million other 80 year olds in everyone's life because he had the blood thinning.0.99
00:41:53.000And then people acted like this was some sort of a crisis that was going to take down the Republic because Trump was on the verge of death and everyone was lying about it.
00:42:00.000And now we get a guy who's legitimately mentally insane, who we're thinking of putting in to be a senator from Texas.
00:42:06.000And people want to know if he's in a mental health institute when he dropped off the campaign for two weeks.0.84
00:42:12.000And we're the crazy people for wanting to know where he is.
00:42:55.000This is the biggest job interview of his life.
00:42:57.000You don't go disappearing for nine to 12 days in the middle of the most heated election of the cycle and then act like we're all going to just let it go.
00:43:19.000And remember last week we had to deal with the Cassie Hutchison thing again, where we were reminded that she acted like Donald Trump commandeered the beast in the middle of a motorcade and wanted to drive it.
00:43:30.000To the Capitol, and we all took her seriously.
00:43:33.000And then she had a book deal and was the number one New York Times bestseller list, probably a million dollars off of the book.
00:44:01.000There's literally a local news reporter.
00:44:04.000This Kevin McMahon, he goes, We tried to get proof of life from James Taurico, but this nasty 15 day flu is just really so bad that he can't.
00:44:21.000But I do want to speak specifically to the white educators in the audience today that there are violent hierarchies, these systems, white supremacy, heteropatriarchy, economic exploitation, those things have colonized our own minds.
00:44:36.000See, if I had said that and I was saying that seriously, you guys would think Marlo's gone crazy.
00:44:45.000I'm going to check you into a mental health facility myself, Alex.0.98
00:44:48.000If you say that one more time, I'm going to do it.
00:44:50.000I'm going to fly to where you're at and I'm going to check you in personally.
00:44:54.000Here's the other big one of the other big.
00:44:55.000Well, here's a breaking story we haven't talked about.
00:44:58.000Elon Musk has admitted that he's poured $366 million into the midterms, SOT 12.
00:45:05.000According to brand new reporting by the New York Times, Elon Musk has.
00:45:08.000Quietly funneled $366 million to Republicans for the midterms, more than $276 million of it just since the start of July.
00:45:18.000That means Musk has spent more money on the midterms than he did on the entire 2024 presidential race.
00:45:24.000You write that Musk's donation to Senate Republicans Super PAC was, quote, one of the largest political donations in American history and more than the group's Democratic rival raised from all of its donors that quarter.
00:45:35.000No Democratic billionaire is spending nearly as much as Mr. Musk, and money remains a central worry for the party in an otherwise Favorable political environment.
00:45:46.000Money remains a big worry, which is great.
00:46:38.000I mean, more to the point, he is at the point where the left is so vengeful, so bitter.
00:46:43.000They may well, if they take power again, they will.
00:46:45.000Be willing to destroy Tesla, destroy SpaceX, destroy the two best American leading cutting edge manufacturing companies, wreck America's economy, throw us back big time just to spite a guy who went against them.
00:46:58.000Imagine we didn't have Tesla or SpaceX or, I mean, he is singularly responsible for the most cutting edge technologies.
00:47:07.000You know how we always watch Back to the Future 2 and it was like 2015, it was supposed to be all advanced and it's not?
00:47:13.000Well, thanks to Elon Musk, it feels like we live in the future now, okay?
00:48:44.000Later this week, we're going to explore in greater detail the early vote counts, and we're going to kind of dive into some of that and see how it's really playing out.
00:48:52.000All right, Alex Marlowe joins us, editor in chief of Breitbart.
00:49:07.000Now, Democrat leader of the House, Hakeem Jeffries, along with whip Catherine Clark and Pete Aguilar, a real winner there, they come up with this statement.
00:49:16.000The Trump administration's raid on Congresswoman Ilhan Omar's home is deeply disturbing.
00:49:22.000And raises serious questions about the continued corrupt weaponization of the federal government against Donald Trump's adversaries.
00:49:32.000Now, with less than 30 days until the midterm election, his violent mass deportation machine has descended upon the home of a duly elected member of Congress and her family.
00:49:54.000What if, Alex, what if the Democrat administration did something like raid Trump's house and maybe they would even go through his wife's underwear drawer?
00:50:04.000This could set a terrible precedent, Alex.
00:50:06.000And I think Hakeem Jeffries is onto something here.
00:50:10.000And this is, again, their rules, the second story in a row, which is like, they made these rules.
00:50:15.000If you're allowed to go through Barron Trump's Peloton room looking for state secrets, if you're allowed to go through Melania Trump's underwear drawer looking for state secrets, and all that leads up to what was even worse in the raids, which was the complete Completely unconstitutional 19 months of Jack Smith, who did not even have a real job as a fake job, just to rash Trump.
00:50:33.000All that came from the Mar a Lago raid.
00:50:35.000If that's what it's going to be, then you know what?
00:50:37.000You better be very sure that you didn't marry your brother.
00:51:18.000They want to find that because most other crimes, unfortunately, our glorious laws don't let us denaturalize a person who merely becomes a citizen and then becomes a fantastic criminal.
00:51:28.000You have to have committed fraud in the naturalization process itself.
00:51:54.000I actually think this is remarkably important that we make a statement that says even if you're a sitting member of Congress and you lied to get in here, you are on the list.
00:52:05.000You are fair game for the judicial system to prosecute, investigate, and potentially denaturalize.
00:52:46.000And it does allow us to bring up those things about how, remember how the FBI agents were allowed to use deadly force on the Mar a Lago raid?
00:52:54.000Do you remember how, when they knew they were getting roasted by the media, they took all the alleged classified documents that they found, they scattered it all over Mar a Lago as if Trump had just thrown it up in the air like confetti?
00:53:05.000Remember how absurd that whole farce was?
00:53:07.000And now we get to talk about that for a few minutes, and that's okay.
00:53:31.000Angelo is from New York, a lot of Italians there.
00:53:33.000But I just feel we're closing in on Election Day.
00:53:36.000And I just feel our big pitch links with the Ilhan Omar stuff that Ilhan Omar is fundamentally not just far left, but very anti American in her outlook.
00:53:47.000It is Christopher Columbus who is the ultimate root cause of a country that his family wanted to move to rather than remain in their home country.
00:54:48.000Yeah, I think this is really so key.0.62
00:54:50.000And, you know, I've said it before and I'm going to keep saying it again because I think this phenomenon of Muslims latching on to left wing political movements in the West is because they know those left wing political movements give them the most energy, the most permission to infiltrate, to open the borders.0.95
00:55:08.000And then bankrupt us through mass welfare.0.98
00:55:10.000The most permission, and it just fulfills their id.
00:55:12.000They are a very resentment driven political movement.
00:55:15.000And they want to use it like a Trojan horse to infiltrate the West and destabilize our countries.
00:57:07.000I'm actually, after the little trip to Israel I just did, I'm at the Claremont Fellowships with a bunch of speech writers here in Washington, D.C. Fantastic.
00:57:15.000Well, that's what I love about what you do.
00:57:17.000You're not afraid to have the hard conversations on the right to sort of forge a new consensus because movements change.
00:57:23.000The principles, the first principles remain the same, but in a changing world with the context constantly changing, the coalition constantly changing, we've got to sort of reexamine these.
00:57:33.000And you're one of those guys that's out front doing that, having very courageous conversations.
00:57:37.000So I love that about what you're doing, Matthew.
00:57:39.000Now, you went to NatCon, and this became quite the buzz on the internets.
00:57:46.000And it was interesting to see who was upset about it, who kind of understood it, who got what you were doing, who got what other speakers like our friend Lomez were doing, Jonathan Keeperman.
00:57:55.000But you guys went to Israel, which is first and foremost.
00:57:57.000I mean, I think for a certain segment of the population.
00:58:00.000There's a lot of people who, at this point, if it's any Jewish speaker, anyone in Israel, they're just going to lose their mind.
00:58:28.000Why did you decide to go there and speak in the first place, Matthew?
00:58:31.000Yeah, thank you for asking that question.
00:58:34.000You know, so I was asked to go, I think, months ago, and I thought, look, I have a busy schedule.0.74
00:58:40.000I know full well if I go to Jerusalem to NatCon, I'm going to get people on both sides yelling that, you know, ironically, both that I'm a Nazi and a pawn of the, you know, Zionists.
00:58:51.000And I thought the only reason to go, you know, to NatCon in Jerusalem would be to actually address some of these issues about American Israeli relations.
00:58:59.000And at the time, I thought, you know, I'm too busy.
00:59:01.000I don't think I can pull that off of my schedule.
00:59:04.000And then I started to look at what was going on behind the scenes on the right.
00:59:08.000And I think there's a lot of bad actors who are trying to stir up division, particularly anti Vance people, with charges of anti Semitism and claiming they speak for the right and trying to gatekeep.
00:59:33.000The time is right to actually start talking about this and untangling.0.83
00:59:37.000This mess we have, where on the one side, you have people, as Blake just said, who anything Israel or Jewish is terrible and a non starter, and they're screaming about how everyone's a tool of the Zionists.
00:59:51.000And the other side, you have people who are yelling that everyone is an anti Semite, many times unfairly.
00:59:59.000So I thought the time is now to just disentangle this.
01:00:03.000My main point was don't mistake the fact, especially if you are Israeli.
01:00:08.000That in American politics, there's a lot of people who are against intervention.
01:00:11.000They're concerned about foreign intervention, but generally they're pro Israel, they're friendly.0.70
01:00:16.000And I think the new right, there's a lot of people in the new right who see a little bit of decoupling, nothing crazy, but a little bit of separating America from the Middle East and taking a step back.0.52
01:00:25.000And the flip side of that is more sovereignty for Israel.
01:00:29.000I think that's common sense, but common sense doesn't fly these days, and there was a lot of controversy in the ensuing days.
01:00:38.000Charlie spent a lot of time talking about it.
01:00:40.000He spent a lot of effort behind the scenes on this because he knew years ago this was a growing issue within the right that people are getting increasingly radicalized on the Israel topic and how it relates to foreign intervention and everything else.
01:00:53.000And he wanted something stable, something that the movement could, even if there was disagreement, avoid blowing up and letting the far left win elections over it.
01:01:02.000So, what do you see as a stable point?
01:01:06.000Like, if we have JD Vance running in 2028, or even candidates going beyond, What is a position they could stake out that would satisfy enough people and be a point that it can win over voters and keep people in our movement from spiraling out one way or the other?
01:01:24.000I think that the acknowledgement has to be, and I think that JD has tried to do this a little bit, but I think the next step is to say, look, we're two separate countries.
01:01:34.000Our interests don't always align, and sometimes our interests do align.
01:01:38.000And when they align, great, we work together.
01:01:44.000And I think that a little bit of independence is what's needed here.
01:01:48.000There is a little bit of good fences make good neighbors.
01:01:51.000We're not, what the United States, very simply, the national security strategy that was written last year, wants Israel to remain secure.0.98
01:02:00.000The question is, how much do we get involved, right, in the Middle East overall?
01:02:04.000And of course, there we want less intervention.0.66
01:02:07.000So the trade off is more Israeli sovereignty.
01:02:11.000And we sort of let, you know, countries in the Middle East, we encourage them to take, Care of their own problems themselves.0.55
01:02:18.000And sometimes when our interests align, you know, we join in those efforts.
01:02:21.000But I think it's a very simple trade off, generally speaking, that we back away a little bit, we decouple a bit, and there's more sovereignty and independence there.
01:02:32.000And you see the same thing, by the way, such as Israel throughout the world, the same thing in Europe.
01:02:36.000Those countries have made themselves weak.
01:02:39.000NATO didn't really make a lot of sense by the time Donald Trump appeared on the scene.
01:02:42.000And we want the same thing to happen there.
01:02:44.000So I don't see it as strange or abnormal.
01:02:47.000I think there's an obvious next step, generally speaking, moving forward.
01:02:51.000I want to play some of your clips here because you did a Great job.
01:02:54.000I mean, your speech, I recommend everybody watch Matthew's entire speech.
01:03:02.000I understand that the desire to call out hatred.0.59
01:03:06.000Denouncing anti Semitism in America in the abstract these days is much like calling an opponent racist.
01:03:13.000Both terms have been hollowed out by the left.
01:03:16.000The ADL, for instance, has long since lost any power over the right by attacking figures like Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and TPUSA.
01:03:24.000We have a boy who cried wolf problem in America and the West.
01:03:27.000The left makes accusations like this all the time, and the younger rising right doesn't care about being called names or abstract iss or isms from any side.
01:03:58.000I was like standing up in my chair when you said this because one of the most, I think, counterproductive tendencies of the pro Israel right and some of my Jewish friends as well is that it's like you get called names all the time.
01:04:11.000Charlie got called names, and Charlie was a defender of many of these values that they care about and many of the Israeli sovereignty and security.
01:04:21.000And I just, it's been so destructive.0.92
01:04:23.000And I love that you just went straight in there and you said, hey, enough of the isms.0.98
01:04:34.000So, the interesting thing is that, as opposed to online, granted, it was a self selected room, we were mobbed like rock stars after that speech.
01:05:08.000And the talking past each other is what's important here because I don't think most Americans know the perspective of the Israeli right wing.
01:05:16.000Many of those people say, we don't want foreign aid anymore from America.
01:05:21.000But you don't hear that on certain networks in America.
01:05:24.000And then the reverse of it is, I think a lot of the Israeli right wing doesn't quite understand what's happening in America.
01:05:30.000So, in terms of the crowd right there, they were very supportive, very interested.
01:05:36.000And, you know, there was a lot of applause during the speech when I gave it.
01:05:41.000And the irony is, of course, you know, certain people online who've anointed themselves as, you know, the gatekeepers of the right went, they were apoplectic about it.0.99
01:05:55.000So, you know, I kind of think my job many times and as part of what forums are about is to have these conversations.
01:06:02.000And I don't really care if I get attacked by both sides.
01:06:04.000And so, what you just lined out there, so I'm listening to this and this has been.
01:06:09.000Kind of my reflection on a lot of this Israel discussion, especially after losing Charlie, is it's like you've got the neocons that are very loud and very morally certain about their position.
01:06:22.000And then you got the Groyper crowd and the far right crowd, the anti Israel crowd, that are very morally certain about their position.
01:06:27.000And then you got this center cut, which is most of the party.
01:06:37.000That are going like, can we not have.0.51
01:06:39.000A pragmatic, realist foreign policy position on Israel, where we're not scapegoating people, but we're also making space for the fact that, hey, they have a type of nationalism and sovereignty that we would like, actually, where they get to say we're a distinctly Jewish state.
01:06:54.000I would love to say we're a distinctly Christian Western nation.
01:07:15.000Understand where many of the young men on the right are coming from.
01:07:18.000If you are a young white American, you have grown up in an education system and culture that celebrated both mass migration to America as well as organized tribalism in America among all those being imported there.
01:07:33.000An educational system and political culture that encouraged every ethnicity to join together as an interest group against oppression from, well, you.
01:07:42.000They have been told that they must have.0.72
01:07:43.000Apologize for their whiteness, and that if they were ever to act as a group like everyone else in America they see as trained to do and celebrated for doing, they are evil or Nazis.
01:07:53.000And this anti white sentiment and discrimination has had very predictable results.
01:07:57.000This is the reality in which young people have been born into a reality in which World War II is as far away as the Civil War was to those who fought in that conflict.0.87
01:08:09.000So, amen to basically every single thing said there.
01:08:13.000But I feel like that's like the healthiest thing you could take where we're talking about.
01:08:17.000Our attitude towards Israel or whatever.
01:08:20.000And I think I remember as this was bubbling up, the line of attack was basically just, or really the assertion was just, it would be nice for us to have a country where our foreign policy just cares less about another country.
01:08:35.000When I was at Fox, this was about a decade ago, and was when President Trump was contemplating strikes on Syria.
01:08:41.000And the show I was at, we had Roger Wicker on, and he basically asked him, What is the argument for doing this?
01:08:48.000And his first response was, Well, if you Care about the security of Israel, you should care about these strikes.
01:08:55.000And that was a line that people heard often.
01:08:57.000And I think that is what sparked so much of the sourness towards Israel, was the sense that literally their interest was the primary thing that had us involved in the Middle East.
01:09:08.000And if you could get us towards a position where that's just not an answer you're hearing all the time, where we just care less about other countries and care more about our own, a lot of this weird fever would pass.
01:09:18.000And the reason that would be good is actually what was in that clip just there.0.73
01:09:23.000In America, we've had this culture that for years just takes it as a given that native, traditional heritage Americans, people whose ancestors fought in the Civil War, fought in the Revolution, came over on the Mayflower, are bad and need to be dispossessed in favor of new arrivals.0.60
01:09:40.000And probably the best thing you can do is if you look towards Israel as an example, what drives the left so berserk about them, really more even than any war they fight, is the fact that it is just a country that is self confidently not a diverse melting pot.
01:09:55.000For everyone on the planet, but says actually, we are a Jewish nation state.0.61
01:09:59.000That doesn't mean everyone here is Jewish.
01:10:01.000That doesn't mean non Jews are not allowed here.
01:10:04.000In fact, they have quite a large pool of them.
01:10:06.000But the purpose of our country is for the well being of that group primarily.
01:10:12.000And we should be able to have that in America.
01:10:13.000It seems like that's what you were basically communicating, Matthew, to this Israeli audience.
01:10:19.000And, you know, it was very interesting because another thing that came up, which is another, you know, delicate, awkward topic, but it shouldn't be.
01:10:25.000We need to normalize having discussions like adults on the right and act like winners, is the frustration I tried to communicate for a lot of younger people, younger Americans who are right wing.
01:10:38.000A lot of them don't even know if they've met a Jewish person in their life, but they notice that there are a lot of prominent Jewish Americans who have supported mass migration and appeared to believe they were one of the minorities that would be protected in the big rainbow coalition of the left and were supportive of identity politics as well.
01:10:58.000Of course, what's happened in the last five years is that Jewish Americans have found out the hard way that the left is not going to protect them.
01:11:05.000The left is not going to protect Jewish students on college campuses.0.98
01:11:09.000We're being chased down by woke lunatics.0.91
01:11:12.000The left has rejected any sanity there.0.97
01:11:14.000They're not going to say no to the DSA.0.53
01:11:15.000They're not going to say no to Mom Dhani.0.92
01:11:17.000So Jewish Americans are then forced with, well, the left doesn't want me anymore.
01:11:25.000And that's sort of what the coalitional battle is in America.0.96
01:11:28.000So when I said that to the Israelis, what's very interesting is, of course, right wing Israelis think that the lefty sort of Jewish American cousins are nuts.0.97
01:11:45.000But of course, they're reluctant to criticize because they see that it is possibly dangerous.0.93
01:11:53.000And they wonder if they should publicly come out and say, this is ridiculous.0.64
01:11:57.000And my encouragement was, man, if you guys did this, if you went on a big cable network and said, this is crazy, you would get a lot of support here in America.0.91
01:12:07.000And really, the crown's in the gutter.0.85
01:12:09.000I mean, the first Israeli politician who comes on and says, look, this anti white discrimination is crazy.0.98
01:12:13.000What you guys are doing here is crazy.0.98
01:12:15.000This is not how Israel operates, and we would die if we imported a bunch of people and trained them to hate us.0.94
01:12:21.000Now, we would never do that, and people shouldn't be for that here, whether they're Jewish or not.
01:12:25.000And then, if you also said, I don't need your aid anymore, by the way, we should be an independent nation.0.66
01:12:29.000We don't want to just be a client state.
01:12:31.000And anyone who said that would be immensely popular and sort of begin to resolve this problem.
01:12:36.000Matthew, I want to play this other clip because you go straight into the heart of this evangelical debate because that's really what's happening here.
01:12:44.000There's a very insidious group of people that now hate.
01:13:05.000Many of my evangelical friends still here stand with Israel as a religious duty.
01:13:10.000For many other Christians in America, the idea that their religion requires them to support the particular policies of another nation is deeply insulting.
01:13:18.000Many Republicans frequently complain to me that they're done with this dynamic.
01:13:22.000Many, again, who support Israel, want me to convey this message.
01:13:27.000They do not think that their Christianity requires them to blindly support whatever decisions Israel chooses to make and find it condescending if anyone assumes that this is the way they should think about it.
01:13:38.000Now, this does not mean that they see no religious ties to the Holy Land.
01:13:42.000It means that relying on this approach alone to American Christians is a dead end.0.55
01:14:39.000And now we have to act like winners, which means having these difficult discussions about where we agree and disagree.
01:14:44.000And when it comes to foreign policy in general, Americans on the right are rethinking foreign alliances with all nations, not just Israel.
01:14:51.000But the point is that most people were still friendly to Israel, where we just want to fine tune and rethink all of our alliances when it comes to international relations.
01:15:02.000And when we do that, there's going to be pluses and minuses and trade offs.0.55
01:15:05.000And ultimately, it's more sovereignty for the Israelis.
01:15:09.000And a little bit of decoupling in a sensible way, and we move forward and we get over this matter.
01:15:14.000Matthew J. Peterson, founder of The Forum.
01:15:17.000I hope to work with you at Amfest, Matthew, so I'll send you a note on that.