00:00:00.000Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Matt Gates and Professor Dershowitz join us to talk about Trump indictment, Trump 2024, and the parents' rights bill and education.
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00:00:40.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:14.000And if so, what do you attribute that to?
00:01:16.000Well, certainly the Trump movement is ascendant.
00:01:18.000And I think there is, frankly, a new focus and energy in the Trump campaign because of these threats of prosecution that seem to be advancing unconstitutionally and really at great harm to our nation.
00:01:32.000But what Donald Trump has always had as a superpower is that he's always been able to turn the efforts against him into a way of exposing some deep corruption or malady in the system that has been structurally weaponized against the American people for a long time.
00:01:48.000No one ever really questioned the intelligence community until the Russia hoax.
00:01:52.000And now, even today, we ask more serious questions and we're all the better for it as a nation.
00:01:58.000I think in this case, now we're starting to see how the criminal justice system has fused with politics.
00:02:04.000And while Trump is the target now, we saw people in the January 6th investigations who were the target of that.
00:02:11.000We saw parents targeted by a weaponized justice department.
00:02:16.000You know, you had Merritt Garland's son outselling critical race theory pedagogy, and then Merritt Garland using the Justice Department to try to intimidate and deter parents who showed up to school board meetings to complain about critical race theory.
00:02:30.000What a corrupt little ecosystem it was.
00:02:34.000Now, I think there's going to be great congressional focus, great oversight focus, really focus from the American people in the dangers of using the criminal justice system in such a perversed way.
00:02:46.000And there was far more energy in Waco, Texas than even the Trump campaign expected.
00:02:52.000The only criticism is they probably should have had the press risers back another few football fields because there was at least 15,000 people that were behind the press cameras who had shown up from every corner of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, really all over the country because they're ready to get the band back together for the Trump campaign.
00:04:15.000Well, I don't believe that President Trump's proximity to Lindsey Graham makes President Trump any more like Lindsey Graham.
00:04:22.000I've been in the company of both men at Mar-a-Lago where President Trump will berade Lindsey Graham over his views on foreign policy or other things.
00:04:30.000And then sometimes Lindsey will give it right back to him.
00:04:32.000I think they have a personal friendship.
00:04:34.000I think that's largely why there is this early endorsement from Senator Graham.
00:04:40.000They obviously have serious policy disagreements, but look, politicians, the game of addition, not subtraction and division.
00:04:46.000Yeah, but I mean, like, was it addition to have John Bolton in the White House?
00:04:50.000Well, I don't believe John Bolton made a single substantive decision in the White House.
00:04:54.000I believe Donald Trump paraded him around like a madman.
00:04:56.000But then he wrote a book and leaked on him.
00:04:59.000At some point, you got to draw the line, right?
00:05:00.000You got to have the wall built and say, like, go endorse some other neocon, right?
00:05:05.000That's one of my few concerns is people that are totally against the MAGA agenda, flattering President Trump to try to co-opt our movement.
00:05:15.000No, I think there are better mitigation tactics to use there than to say, don't endorse us, go vote for somebody else.
00:05:22.000I think the better mitigation tactic is to draw from the experiences that we've had where far too many people got into the Trump administration that weren't for President Trump's policies.
00:05:32.000I think that at the Justice Department, it was a real parade of horribles regarding who we had there.
00:05:38.000I think that at Secretary of State Tillerson, oftentimes would work to frustrate President Trump's agenda.
00:05:46.000Secretary Mattis would stand in the way of orders that Trump would give.
00:05:50.000So, look, we're going to be better at HR the second time around than the first time.
00:05:54.000And one thing I heard from a lot of people at the Waco rally is that they appreciated that.
00:05:58.000They would say, look, we like DeSantis, but gosh, he's not going to go into Washington knowing in advance who's going to screw him over the way President Trump has had this experience, can draw on this experience, and can certainly get us going in the right direction a lot quicker.
00:06:13.000Okay, so you voted also against the Republican parents' Bill of Rights.
00:06:18.000Because the federal government has no role in education.
00:06:21.000Don't get me started on this, Charlie.
00:06:22.000I am so frustrated that we seem to be throwing the Constitution out the window and our semblance of federalism with the belief that we're going to make the United States Congress America's school board.
00:06:32.000You may like what's in the parents' Bill of Rights now, but when Democrats take over, there's going to be the right to have gender blockers delivered by the school nurse to your kid, the right for your kid to go to a place where gun violence isn't glorified.
00:06:47.000So any other parent that wants to coach the ball team or be a room mom that wears a Second Amendment shirt is going to be deemed a domestic terrorist.
00:06:58.000From Loudoun County, Virginia to Florida to all over this country, when parents woke up to what was going on in the classroom, they went and flipped school boards.
00:07:07.000You should not have to flip the entire United States Congress over education policy.
00:07:11.000So I'm not for any bill, regardless of how well-meaning it seems.
00:07:15.000If it grows the Department of Education, I would abolish the federal Department of Education and block grant every dollar to the states.
00:07:33.000It ended up addicting our states and local school districts so much to the federal dollar that then they had to absorb the very delivery system of wokeism that people are now complaining about.
00:07:44.000I agree in principle, but in reality, the Department of Education is here to stay in the short term.
00:07:48.000Would it make more sense to get, I mean, the bill's basically transparency, right?
00:07:52.000You have to tell parents what's being taught.
00:07:55.000If you receive fed, it's actually a way to use federal money to at least empower parents, right?
00:08:00.000No, I think that when you get the Congress defining any feature of the relationship between school boards and parents, you have totally screwed the pooch.
00:08:11.000That is what got us into this trouble in the first place.
00:08:15.000You know, when education worked really well, when it was largely done by churches and community groups, and you had the schoolhouse, and parents were directly engaged.
00:08:23.000And I grant your premise that we're not going back to that.
00:08:26.000But why is it that Republicans just accept that the Department of Education has to exist forever?
00:08:31.000If we had any guts, we would stand with the school choice movement, which is very biased.
00:08:37.000We would go find all the mothers who want their kids out of failing schools and we should block that states and then the voters can hold their states and quiet and it's not going to happen.
00:08:47.000The way I look at the bill, which is why I support it, is that it's a way to get some ammunition to the parents' party on the front lines.
00:09:04.000If you have a federalized system, shouldn't you at least then have some provisions that empower the citizen?
00:09:09.000Because we have the worst of both worlds.
00:09:11.000We have a massive leviathan education system and no parents' rights.
00:09:16.000And so I guess what the spirit of the bill is trying to do, and I read it, it's not like no teeth, Matt.
00:09:20.000This is not like, this is not exactly, you know, that's hardly a defense of the bill.
00:09:25.000Well, no, but let's have it actually have teeth.
00:09:28.000And by the way, that's not the point of the point is that the bill exists, right?
00:09:32.000And the bill says that a parent should be able to see it.
00:09:34.000So if it receives federal money and you currently don't have those provisions, it's actually using the federal money to empower the parent.
00:09:42.000Well, I would suggest that there is a better way to solve that problem than an action by the United States Congress.
00:09:55.000Well, the parent in New York has to fix the government there.
00:09:59.000I mean, that's not going to be you and I both know that's not going to happen.
00:10:02.000That's not an acceptable outcome to say that because we don't like the way people are treated in blue cities and states, that we're just going to throw the 10th Amendment out the window and say that we're going to federalize every decision.
00:10:12.000You should make the argument this actually empowers it.
00:10:14.000I mean, I get from principle, I'd love to abolish the Department of Education and all that.
00:10:18.000At the same time, you have parents, especially in blue states, that have no rights whatsoever.
00:10:23.000California, Oregon, Washington, they don't have rights to look into curriculum.
00:10:28.000They don't have rights to do any of it.
00:10:29.000But that's what they said about Loudoun County.
00:10:31.000They said Loudoun County was just insufferably blue and it would never, it was so blue for even Virginia could never go red.
00:10:38.000And we saw the way that these issues can flip the political dynamics.
00:10:42.000That's true, but you and I both know that continuing to empower the federal government actually lashes us to that failure that would actually be honestly Virginia is a lot more of a battleground state purple than California.
00:11:09.000How they actually effectuated any change is a separate issue.
00:11:12.000If the Republican leadership in the House thinks that they're going to use our time here to have the federal government hire local police, rate local DAs, get involved in decisions at local school boards, they're going to have to do that without my vote.
00:11:27.000Just because we won one half of one-third of the government doesn't to me mean we should abandon theories of federalism and constitutional protection and really empowering those who make the decisions closest to the people.
00:11:42.000True populism is giving the people more access through the folks that they see at the local diner and at church on Sunday rather than folks who are in Washington, D.C.
00:12:33.000So the last thing I want to do is go out there and lob hand grenades at the president.
00:12:37.000I think we need to support the president, understand what he's up against, and understand he's facing opposition, unlike any other president we've seen.
00:12:45.000Commissioner. Matt Gates, do you think Ron DeSantis missed an opportunity the last week and a half?
00:12:55.0002018 DeSantis was such a classic vintage.
00:12:59.000Ron DeSantis wrote in his book that he doesn't believe it was Donald Trump's endorsement that got him through that primary.
00:13:05.000It was his performance in the debates.
00:13:07.000And having been Ron DeSantis' debate coach for that debate, I went and looked at what the substance of the debate largely entailed.
00:13:14.000And it was Ron DeSantis over and over, correctly and effectively making the argument that the attacks on Donald Trump are unprecedented and that Donald Trump really required those of us with talent and capability to come to his side, to be at defending him as he worked to defend the American people from the corrupt apparatus that is often weaponized against them.
00:13:41.000They're literally trying to have President Trump do a perp walk, and they're trying to manufacture a felony charge by lashing together a novel legal theory in Manhattan of all places.
00:13:56.000To me, the pressures that President Trump faces are far more extreme today than they were in 2018.
00:14:02.000And I would invite my friend, the governor of Florida, someone who I admire a great deal, to join me in supporting President Trump.
00:14:10.000He did such a great job defending President Trump during the Russia hoax.
00:14:14.000And ambition, personal ambition for the presidency shouldn't be the sole thing that causes one to reorient their viewpoint if that was the viewpoint held to secure the Republican nomination for the governorship.
00:14:27.000Other candidates, I mean, it seems as if it's really kind of, it's Trump's right now and he's gaining steam.
00:14:41.000Well, look, I think that there are going to be other entrants in the race.
00:14:45.000I think that Nikki Haley's views on foreign policy are particularly out of touch with where most voters are.
00:14:54.000She thinks that we ought to go kicking all of America's bullies with heels, but she seems to be wanting to kick everyone behind every sand dune in the Middle East to start a new war.
00:15:03.000That's just not where Republicans are today.
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00:17:07.000A lot of people are reading it, and it makes a strong argument against the kinds of targeting that has been done by the New York DA and the New York Attorney General.
00:17:17.000You know, the title of my book, Get Trump, is not original with me.
00:18:04.000And they decided that if a person pays money in a non-disclosure agreement, non-disclosure, he then has to indicate that it was a non-disclosure agreement on his corporate forms in order to prevent his wife from learning about an adulterous affair.
00:18:21.000Now, nobody would ever sign a non-disclosure agreement with anybody if they knew they had to list it on an open corporate form.
00:18:29.000So it's the craziest misdemeanor ever, and it's beyond the two-year statute limitations.
00:18:34.000And then to compound it, they wanted to make a felony and they couldn't find a state felony.
00:18:39.000So they had to go to a federal felony, which was never charged by the federal government.
00:18:43.000And they had to try to prove that the only thing in Donald Trump's mind, when he, if he did, allowed the $130,000 to be paid, the only thing was his campaign for president.
00:18:55.000He wasn't interested in all his wife, his family, his business, et cetera.
00:18:58.000That's just too, it's a bridge too far.
00:19:28.000And prosecutors are not allowed to put on witnesses who they suspect reasonably might be lying.
00:19:35.000So, Professor, I want to dive deeper into this, but one of the things that I'm concerned about, and it's the old saying that the process is the punishment.
00:19:44.000Even if Donald Trump is not indicted in any of these cases, he's already had to spend a lot on legal fees.
00:21:38.000And so I sympathize with Donald Trump greatly, just as I sympathize with Benjamin Antenyah in Israel, who has been, in my view, falsely accused of crimes in order to try to get him out of office.
00:21:48.000So there are some comparisons between the headlines that are being made in Israel as we speak and the headlines that are not being made in New York by the absence of an indictment.
00:21:58.000You know, I hope the indictment will never come.
00:22:00.000I hope that the grand jurors will look prosecutor in the eye and say, you know, you tried to put the wool over our eyes.
00:22:12.000You kept 300 emails from us, and you didn't tell us about Cohen's history of lying.
00:22:19.000We're going to stand up to you, and we're going to do what the founders of the Constitution intended when they had a grand jury.
00:22:25.000We're going to be an independent body to protect the rights of defendants, not the handmaiden of the prosecution that will indict a ham sandwich.
00:22:32.000Your next book should be called Get Bibi.
00:22:34.000Educate our audience, Professor, on what's going on in Israel.
00:22:37.000It's a little bit confusing for those of us that don't track Israeli politics.
00:22:41.000And it seems as if today Bibi has come out and said, we're going to suspend these judicial reforms to the summer.
00:24:57.000That's the ultimate form of check and balance, more important than a Supreme Court, more important than two houses of the legislature, elections.
00:25:06.000And I predict there'll probably be another election within the next couple of years.
00:25:10.000So just kind of going back to Trump here domestically as we wrap up, Professor, the other investigations, what are we seeing or hearing in the Georgia investigation?
00:25:34.000Fine means that something is there, but it hasn't been counted or it hasn't been seen or it hasn't been found.
00:25:41.000So he didn't say make up 13,000 votes, concoct manufacture.
00:25:45.000He said find existing votes that were not counted.
00:25:49.000That is a perfectly legitimate request and not a crime.
00:25:53.000So I don't think George is going anywhere.
00:25:55.000I don't think January 6th is going anywhere.
00:25:57.000After all, when the January 6th committee presented to the American people this January 6th speech, which I didn't approve of personally, but they doctored the tape.
00:26:23.000The only case that has any legs legally is the classification, classified material case.
00:26:29.000But that's going nowhere politically because they're not going to indict former President Trump without also indicting Pence and Biden, who also had classified material.
00:26:41.000So I don't think any of these four cases are going anywhere, but the Bragg case in New York is by far the weakest, legally, factually, and politically.
00:26:50.000And I think they, if there was kind of a grand strategy to quote unquote, get Trump and there was a central war room, they messed it up because Bragg leading the way he did.
00:27:11.000And I think as I spoke to Donald Trump the other day on the phone, and I said, you should invest in t-shirts that have your mugshot on it.
00:27:18.000That will be the biggest selling t-shirt in American history if they actually take a mugshot of you and that becomes part of a t-shirt and a poster.
00:27:25.000And that would be his campaign poster.
00:27:27.000His campaign would be a picture of him in a mugshot.
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00:31:12.000One of those is Stanford University, where a federal judge is speaking out after being shouted down by a woke mob while speaking at their law school.
00:31:20.000So you can now, for thousands of dollars, this is very similar to the selling of indulgences before Martin Luther.
00:31:29.000For thousands of dollars, you can get a certificate in the religion of anti-racism That you're able to enter into the eternal life of wokeism if you just pay some money.
00:31:45.000The intentional racial and gender identity divisions are implemented by the elite, not by the proletariat, not by the working people, but by the elite, creating an America that hates itself and roots for its own failure.
00:32:59.000Our biggest threat are high-level politicians that work in the United States government, like Mitch McConnell, Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, Justice Department, because that's poisoning our country.
00:33:33.000It's a creation of our policies and our laws and our willingness to be implemented.
00:33:38.000By the way, Disney has just let off 7,000 employees.
00:33:42.000I feel sorry for those people that are no longer going to get a paycheck, but that's a good thing that Disney is now experiencing those pesky shackles of reality.
00:33:53.000Disney, by the way, that also owns ESPN, that is honoring men in Women's History Month, Thomas.
00:34:02.000NPR just laid off 10% of its workforce.