The Charlie Kirk Show - March 27, 2023


Trump's Latest Big Comeback with Matt Gaetz and Alan Dershowitz


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Matt Gates and Professor Alan Dershowitz join us to talk about the Trump Indictment, the Trump 2020 campaign, and the parents' rights bill in education. They also discuss why Lindsey Graham should have been the first presidential candidate to endorse Donald Trump.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Matt Gates and Professor Dershowitz join us to talk about Trump indictment, Trump 2024, and the parents' rights bill and education.
00:00:09.000 Email me directly, freedom at charliekirk.com, and get involved with TurningPointUSA Today at tpusa.com.
00:00:17.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:18.000 Here we go.
00:00:19.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:20.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:23.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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00:00:29.000 I want to thank Charlie.
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00:00:31.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:00:33.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
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00:01:02.000 Joining us now is Matt Gates.
00:01:04.000 Matt, welcome to the program.
00:01:06.000 Matt.
00:01:06.000 Hey, thanks, Charlie.
00:01:07.000 It seems as if Donald Trump is stronger than any time in recent memory in the Republican primary.
00:01:13.000 Do you agree?
00:01:14.000 And if so, what do you attribute that to?
00:01:16.000 Well, certainly the Trump movement is ascendant.
00:01:18.000 And I think there is, frankly, a new focus and energy in the Trump campaign because of these threats of prosecution that seem to be advancing unconstitutionally and really at great harm to our nation.
00:01:31.000 I wish they weren't advancing.
00:01:32.000 But what Donald Trump has always had as a superpower is that he's always been able to turn the efforts against him into a way of exposing some deep corruption or malady in the system that has been structurally weaponized against the American people for a long time.
00:01:48.000 No one ever really questioned the intelligence community until the Russia hoax.
00:01:52.000 And now, even today, we ask more serious questions and we're all the better for it as a nation.
00:01:58.000 I think in this case, now we're starting to see how the criminal justice system has fused with politics.
00:02:04.000 And while Trump is the target now, we saw people in the January 6th investigations who were the target of that.
00:02:11.000 We saw parents targeted by a weaponized justice department.
00:02:16.000 You know, you had Merritt Garland's son outselling critical race theory pedagogy, and then Merritt Garland using the Justice Department to try to intimidate and deter parents who showed up to school board meetings to complain about critical race theory.
00:02:30.000 What a corrupt little ecosystem it was.
00:02:34.000 Now, I think there's going to be great congressional focus, great oversight focus, really focus from the American people in the dangers of using the criminal justice system in such a perversed way.
00:02:46.000 And there was far more energy in Waco, Texas than even the Trump campaign expected.
00:02:52.000 The only criticism is they probably should have had the press risers back another few football fields because there was at least 15,000 people that were behind the press cameras who had shown up from every corner of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, really all over the country because they're ready to get the band back together for the Trump campaign.
00:03:11.000 Sure looks that way.
00:03:11.000 Let's play Cut 11.
00:03:14.000 This is you speaking at the Trump campaign rally.
00:03:17.000 Play Cut 11.
00:03:18.000 You saw how they've advanced these persecutions and prosecutions against President Trump.
00:03:25.000 And what I can tell you is they're coming for you next.
00:03:30.000 And the so-called experts who told me to hide, resign, the ones that told Donald Trump not to run again.
00:03:39.000 They don't care about you.
00:03:41.000 They want to return to the old ways of the Romneys and the McConnell's.
00:03:46.000 Well, guess what?
00:03:47.000 This is Donald Trump's party, and I'm a Donald Trump Republican.
00:03:51.000 So, Matt, the only question I have for you is: let's talk about someone like Lady Graham, right, who endorsed Donald Trump.
00:03:59.000 That bothered me.
00:04:01.000 Why is Donald Trump allowing Lindsey Graham in the kind of core center of his campaign?
00:04:06.000 Because he's going to win the nomination, right?
00:04:09.000 And then all these other kind of fringe, moderate Republicans are going to try to get in his good graces.
00:04:13.000 How should he handle that?
00:04:15.000 Well, I don't believe that President Trump's proximity to Lindsey Graham makes President Trump any more like Lindsey Graham.
00:04:22.000 I've been in the company of both men at Mar-a-Lago where President Trump will berade Lindsey Graham over his views on foreign policy or other things.
00:04:30.000 And then sometimes Lindsey will give it right back to him.
00:04:32.000 I think they have a personal friendship.
00:04:34.000 I think that's largely why there is this early endorsement from Senator Graham.
00:04:40.000 They obviously have serious policy disagreements, but look, politicians, the game of addition, not subtraction and division.
00:04:46.000 Yeah, but I mean, like, was it addition to have John Bolton in the White House?
00:04:50.000 Well, I don't believe John Bolton made a single substantive decision in the White House. 0.94
00:04:54.000 I believe Donald Trump paraded him around like a madman.
00:04:56.000 But then he wrote a book and leaked on him.
00:04:57.000 And it's, you get what I'm saying.
00:04:59.000 At some point, you got to draw the line, right?
00:05:00.000 You got to have the wall built and say, like, go endorse some other neocon, right? 0.51
00:05:05.000 That's one of my few concerns is people that are totally against the MAGA agenda, flattering President Trump to try to co-opt our movement.
00:05:13.000 Am I wrong?
00:05:14.000 I don't think we can.
00:05:15.000 No, I think there are better mitigation tactics to use there than to say, don't endorse us, go vote for somebody else.
00:05:22.000 I think the better mitigation tactic is to draw from the experiences that we've had where far too many people got into the Trump administration that weren't for President Trump's policies.
00:05:32.000 I think that at the Justice Department, it was a real parade of horribles regarding who we had there.
00:05:38.000 I think that at Secretary of State Tillerson, oftentimes would work to frustrate President Trump's agenda.
00:05:46.000 Secretary Mattis would stand in the way of orders that Trump would give.
00:05:50.000 So, look, we're going to be better at HR the second time around than the first time.
00:05:54.000 And one thing I heard from a lot of people at the Waco rally is that they appreciated that.
00:05:58.000 They would say, look, we like DeSantis, but gosh, he's not going to go into Washington knowing in advance who's going to screw him over the way President Trump has had this experience, can draw on this experience, and can certainly get us going in the right direction a lot quicker.
00:06:13.000 Okay, so you voted also against the Republican parents' Bill of Rights.
00:06:16.000 Tell us why.
00:06:18.000 Because the federal government has no role in education.
00:06:21.000 Don't get me started on this, Charlie.
00:06:22.000 I am so frustrated that we seem to be throwing the Constitution out the window and our semblance of federalism with the belief that we're going to make the United States Congress America's school board.
00:06:32.000 You may like what's in the parents' Bill of Rights now, but when Democrats take over, there's going to be the right to have gender blockers delivered by the school nurse to your kid, the right for your kid to go to a place where gun violence isn't glorified.
00:06:47.000 So any other parent that wants to coach the ball team or be a room mom that wears a Second Amendment shirt is going to be deemed a domestic terrorist.
00:06:54.000 Look, what works is what we saw work.
00:06:58.000 From Loudoun County, Virginia to Florida to all over this country, when parents woke up to what was going on in the classroom, they went and flipped school boards.
00:07:07.000 You should not have to flip the entire United States Congress over education policy.
00:07:11.000 So I'm not for any bill, regardless of how well-meaning it seems.
00:07:15.000 If it grows the Department of Education, I would abolish the federal Department of Education and block grant every dollar to the states.
00:07:22.000 And you know what, Charlie?
00:07:22.000 The last time Republicans did this, it was the No Child Left Behind bill.
00:07:26.000 And we were going to have usher in this new era of accountability with a stronger Department of Education.
00:07:31.000 And you know what it ended up doing?
00:07:33.000 It ended up addicting our states and local school districts so much to the federal dollar that then they had to absorb the very delivery system of wokeism that people are now complaining about.
00:07:43.000 That's why I voted no.
00:07:44.000 I agree in principle, but in reality, the Department of Education is here to stay in the short term.
00:07:48.000 Would it make more sense to get, I mean, the bill's basically transparency, right?
00:07:52.000 You have to tell parents what's being taught.
00:07:55.000 If you receive fed, it's actually a way to use federal money to at least empower parents, right?
00:08:00.000 No, I think that when you get the Congress defining any feature of the relationship between school boards and parents, you have totally screwed the pooch.
00:08:11.000 That is what got us into this trouble in the first place.
00:08:15.000 You know, when education worked really well, when it was largely done by churches and community groups, and you had the schoolhouse, and parents were directly engaged.
00:08:23.000 And I grant your premise that we're not going back to that.
00:08:26.000 But why is it that Republicans just accept that the Department of Education has to exist forever?
00:08:31.000 If we had any guts, we would stand with the school choice movement, which is very biased.
00:08:37.000 We would go find all the mothers who want their kids out of failing schools and we should block that states and then the voters can hold their states and quiet and it's not going to happen. 0.77
00:08:47.000 The way I look at the bill, which is why I support it, is that it's a way to get some ammunition to the parents' party on the front lines.
00:08:54.000 They're getting the ammunition now.
00:08:55.000 They show up to school.
00:08:56.000 No, hold on a second.
00:08:57.000 No, no, no. 0.99
00:08:59.000 You got that woman in Rhode Island who wasn't even allowed to see curriculum, right?
00:09:02.000 It's an interesting question.
00:09:04.000 If you have a federalized system, shouldn't you at least then have some provisions that empower the citizen?
00:09:09.000 Because we have the worst of both worlds.
00:09:11.000 We have a massive leviathan education system and no parents' rights.
00:09:16.000 And so I guess what the spirit of the bill is trying to do, and I read it, it's not like no teeth, Matt.
00:09:20.000 This is not like, this is not exactly, you know, that's hardly a defense of the bill.
00:09:25.000 Well, no, but let's have it actually have teeth.
00:09:28.000 And by the way, that's not the point of the point is that the bill exists, right?
00:09:32.000 And the bill says that a parent should be able to see it.
00:09:34.000 So if it receives federal money and you currently don't have those provisions, it's actually using the federal money to empower the parent.
00:09:42.000 Well, I would suggest that there is a better way to solve that problem than an action by the United States Congress.
00:09:50.000 I was in the state legislature.
00:09:51.000 My dad was on my local school board.
00:09:53.000 What about the parent in New York?
00:09:55.000 Well, the parent in New York has to fix the government there.
00:09:59.000 I mean, that's not going to be you and I both know that's not going to happen.
00:10:02.000 That's not an acceptable outcome to say that because we don't like the way people are treated in blue cities and states, that we're just going to throw the 10th Amendment out the window and say that we're going to federalize every decision.
00:10:12.000 You should make the argument this actually empowers it.
00:10:14.000 I see it both ways.
00:10:14.000 I mean, I get from principle, I'd love to abolish the Department of Education and all that.
00:10:18.000 At the same time, you have parents, especially in blue states, that have no rights whatsoever.
00:10:23.000 California, Oregon, Washington, they don't have rights to look into curriculum.
00:10:28.000 They don't have rights to do any of it.
00:10:29.000 But that's what they said about Loudoun County.
00:10:31.000 They said Loudoun County was just insufferably blue and it would never, it was so blue for even Virginia could never go red.
00:10:38.000 And we saw the way that these issues can flip the political dynamics.
00:10:42.000 That's true, but you and I both know that continuing to empower the federal government actually lashes us to that failure that would actually be honestly Virginia is a lot more of a battleground state purple than California.
00:10:58.000 But I understand the spirit of it.
00:11:00.000 Loudon County was pretty blue.
00:11:01.000 Loudoun, but I mean, state only changed because they were able to get Junckin into the boards in a lot of these.
00:11:08.000 They did.
00:11:09.000 How they actually effectuated any change is a separate issue.
00:11:12.000 If the Republican leadership in the House thinks that they're going to use our time here to have the federal government hire local police, rate local DAs, get involved in decisions at local school boards, they're going to have to do that without my vote.
00:11:27.000 Just because we won one half of one-third of the government doesn't to me mean we should abandon theories of federalism and constitutional protection and really empowering those who make the decisions closest to the people.
00:11:40.000 I think that's true populism.
00:11:42.000 True populism is giving the people more access through the folks that they see at the local diner and at church on Sunday rather than folks who are in Washington, D.C.
00:11:52.000 I see it both ways.
00:11:53.000 And so we'll move on to the next topic.
00:11:55.000 I think that's a fair analysis.
00:11:56.000 Let's play cut 17.
00:11:58.000 This is Governor DeSantis in a debate to become Florida's governor.
00:12:01.000 This back from 2018, if I think.
00:12:03.000 Play 17, please.
00:12:05.000 So here's the issue.
00:12:07.000 And I deal with this all the time.
00:12:09.000 In Washington, in the country, Trump has almost the entire media against him.
00:12:13.000 Fake news day after day after day.
00:12:15.000 He's got the entire Democratic Party after him.
00:12:18.000 He's got the lobbyists after him.
00:12:20.000 He's got the bureaucracy after him.
00:12:22.000 And he's got some Republicans who come after him to kneecap him.
00:12:26.000 And so he is under an attack like no president has faced.
00:12:30.000 And he is standing tall for us.
00:12:32.000 He is working hard.
00:12:33.000 So the last thing I want to do is go out there and lob hand grenades at the president.
00:12:37.000 I think we need to support the president, understand what he's up against, and understand he's facing opposition, unlike any other president we've seen.
00:12:45.000 Commissioner. Matt Gates, do you think Ron DeSantis missed an opportunity the last week and a half?
00:12:52.000 I do.
00:12:53.000 You're getting me nostalgic, Charlie.
00:12:55.000 2018 DeSantis was such a classic vintage.
00:12:59.000 Ron DeSantis wrote in his book that he doesn't believe it was Donald Trump's endorsement that got him through that primary.
00:13:05.000 It was his performance in the debates.
00:13:07.000 And having been Ron DeSantis' debate coach for that debate, I went and looked at what the substance of the debate largely entailed.
00:13:14.000 And it was Ron DeSantis over and over, correctly and effectively making the argument that the attacks on Donald Trump are unprecedented and that Donald Trump really required those of us with talent and capability to come to his side, to be at defending him as he worked to defend the American people from the corrupt apparatus that is often weaponized against them.
00:13:38.000 That was in 2018.
00:13:40.000 Look at where we are now.
00:13:41.000 They're literally trying to have President Trump do a perp walk, and they're trying to manufacture a felony charge by lashing together a novel legal theory in Manhattan of all places.
00:13:56.000 To me, the pressures that President Trump faces are far more extreme today than they were in 2018.
00:14:02.000 And I would invite my friend, the governor of Florida, someone who I admire a great deal, to join me in supporting President Trump.
00:14:10.000 He did such a great job defending President Trump during the Russia hoax.
00:14:14.000 And ambition, personal ambition for the presidency shouldn't be the sole thing that causes one to reorient their viewpoint if that was the viewpoint held to secure the Republican nomination for the governorship.
00:14:27.000 Other candidates, I mean, it seems as if it's really kind of, it's Trump's right now and he's gaining steam.
00:14:33.000 Miki Haley's running.
00:14:34.000 We might hear from Pompeo and others.
00:14:37.000 I don't see any constituency.
00:14:38.000 Do you, Matt?
00:14:39.000 45 seconds remaining.
00:14:41.000 Well, look, I think that there are going to be other entrants in the race. 0.99
00:14:45.000 I think that Nikki Haley's views on foreign policy are particularly out of touch with where most voters are. 0.92
00:14:54.000 She thinks that we ought to go kicking all of America's bullies with heels, but she seems to be wanting to kick everyone behind every sand dune in the Middle East to start a new war.
00:15:03.000 That's just not where Republicans are today.
00:15:05.000 It's not the America first policy.
00:15:07.000 So I think President Trump is gaining momentum, and it's an exciting movement to be a part of, no doubt.
00:15:12.000 Matt, thank you so much.
00:15:12.000 Very good.
00:15:14.000 Honor to have you as always.
00:15:15.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:15:15.000 Thank you.
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00:16:25.000 Terrible situation unfolding in Nashville.
00:16:28.000 Our prayers are there.
00:16:29.000 We're keeping an eye on that.
00:16:31.000 Seems as if seven people are dead, including a female shooter, which is unusual in situations like this.
00:16:37.000 And so we will find more as we go along.
00:16:42.000 Joining us now is Professor Dershowitz, author of the new book, Get Trump.
00:16:45.000 Professor, welcome back to the program.
00:16:47.000 We had such a good conversation last week.
00:16:49.000 The audience wanted more of it.
00:16:50.000 And so, Professor, when we were talking last week and your book just came out, we thought that Donald Trump would be indicted by now.
00:16:57.000 What has changed?
00:16:57.000 What is the new development?
00:16:58.000 Is the DA blinking?
00:17:00.000 I think he's blinking.
00:17:01.000 I hope that the book, Get Trump, may have something to do with it.
00:17:05.000 It's become an Amazon bestseller.
00:17:07.000 A lot of people are reading it, and it makes a strong argument against the kinds of targeting that has been done by the New York DA and the New York Attorney General.
00:17:17.000 You know, the title of my book, Get Trump, is not original with me.
00:17:20.000 I wish I could get credit for it.
00:17:22.000 I can't take credit for it.
00:17:24.000 It comes from the campaign pledge that the Attorney General and the District Attorney of New York made.
00:17:30.000 They both promised that they got elected, they would get Trump.
00:17:34.000 So the way it worked is they campaigned to get Trump.
00:17:37.000 If they don't get Trump, they won't get re-elected.
00:17:40.000 And then after they campaigned and won on Get Trump, they had to figure out what to get him on.
00:17:44.000 They didn't know what to get him on originally.
00:17:46.000 So they rummaged through all the statute books and they couldn't find anything.
00:17:51.000 They found out it had been a federal charge, but the federal government didn't pursue it.
00:17:55.000 That earlier on, the district attorney of New York looked at a charge.
00:17:58.000 He didn't pursue it.
00:17:59.000 Even Bragg himself decided not to pursue it.
00:18:02.000 But then the pressures got too great.
00:18:04.000 And they decided that if a person pays money in a non-disclosure agreement, non-disclosure, he then has to indicate that it was a non-disclosure agreement on his corporate forms in order to prevent his wife from learning about an adulterous affair.
00:18:21.000 Now, nobody would ever sign a non-disclosure agreement with anybody if they knew they had to list it on an open corporate form.
00:18:29.000 So it's the craziest misdemeanor ever, and it's beyond the two-year statute limitations.
00:18:34.000 And then to compound it, they wanted to make a felony and they couldn't find a state felony.
00:18:39.000 So they had to go to a federal felony, which was never charged by the federal government.
00:18:43.000 And they had to try to prove that the only thing in Donald Trump's mind, when he, if he did, allowed the $130,000 to be paid, the only thing was his campaign for president.
00:18:55.000 He wasn't interested in all his wife, his family, his business, et cetera.
00:18:58.000 That's just too, it's a bridge too far.
00:19:01.000 It won't work.
00:19:02.000 And then you have to rely on Michael Cohen.
00:19:04.000 What reasonable prosecutor could ever look the jury in the eye and say, I believe this man, Michael Cohen, is telling the truth.
00:19:13.000 He didn't tell the truth to his lawyer.
00:19:14.000 He didn't tell the truth to the federal government.
00:19:16.000 He didn't tell the truth to Congress.
00:19:18.000 He didn't tell the truth to the Federal Election Commission.
00:19:20.000 But now suddenly, something happened.
00:19:23.000 Some angel came down from heaven and turned him into a truth teller.
00:19:27.000 No prosecutor would believe that.
00:19:28.000 And prosecutors are not allowed to put on witnesses who they suspect reasonably might be lying.
00:19:35.000 So, Professor, I want to dive deeper into this, but one of the things that I'm concerned about, and it's the old saying that the process is the punishment.
00:19:44.000 Even if Donald Trump is not indicted in any of these cases, he's already had to spend a lot on legal fees.
00:19:50.000 He's had reputational damage.
00:19:52.000 I mean, you've been doing this for many decades, and I know you talk about this in the book, Get Trump.
00:19:56.000 How do we reform that?
00:19:57.000 Is there a way to speed it up?
00:19:58.000 Because if you're allowed to investigate somebody for six or seven years, that is almost a soft jail sentence, at least reputationally.
00:20:07.000 How do we go about fixing that?
00:20:09.000 Well, first of all, you apply statutes of limitations.
00:20:12.000 You make sure that statute of limitations is enforced.
00:20:16.000 The New York courts have made a mockery of the statute of limitations.
00:20:20.000 What they said, the New York courts have said.
00:20:22.000 The statute says you have to be continuously out of New York.
00:20:24.000 That has a meaning.
00:20:26.000 But the New York Court of Appeals said, no, no, no, if you're in New York, even out of New York for a day, that counts.
00:20:31.000 You have to add up the days you were out of New York.
00:20:33.000 So enforce the statutes of limitations.
00:20:36.000 Don't allow stale prosecutions.
00:20:38.000 Demand speedy trials.
00:20:40.000 And then make the government pay you back if they lose.
00:20:43.000 Make the government compensate you for your legal fees, for your lost time, et cetera.
00:20:48.000 That is a very, very common thing.
00:20:50.000 I've had that happen to me.
00:20:51.000 I was falsely charged with, not criminally, obviously, but in a lawsuit, falsely charged by a woman who said I had sex with her.
00:20:59.000 She admitted after years that she may have confused me with somebody else.
00:21:05.000 I had to spend close to $2 million in legal fees to get to the truth.
00:21:10.000 And my insurance went up.
00:21:13.000 My wife and my children were attacked just by a false accusation.
00:21:18.000 And there's no compensation for it.
00:21:22.000 And it just encourages people to make false allegations and accusations because they benefit.
00:21:29.000 And the person who's accused loses, even if in the end, the accuser admits that she may have confused me with someone else.
00:21:36.000 That never goes away, that charge.
00:21:38.000 And so I sympathize with Donald Trump greatly, just as I sympathize with Benjamin Antenyah in Israel, who has been, in my view, falsely accused of crimes in order to try to get him out of office.
00:21:48.000 So there are some comparisons between the headlines that are being made in Israel as we speak and the headlines that are not being made in New York by the absence of an indictment.
00:21:58.000 You know, I hope the indictment will never come.
00:22:00.000 I hope that the grand jurors will look prosecutor in the eye and say, you know, you tried to put the wool over our eyes.
00:22:06.000 You didn't present Cohen, Cohn's lawyer.
00:22:10.000 He had to come and volunteer.
00:22:12.000 You kept 300 emails from us, and you didn't tell us about Cohen's history of lying.
00:22:19.000 We're going to stand up to you, and we're going to do what the founders of the Constitution intended when they had a grand jury.
00:22:25.000 We're going to be an independent body to protect the rights of defendants, not the handmaiden of the prosecution that will indict a ham sandwich.
00:22:32.000 Your next book should be called Get Bibi. 0.89
00:22:34.000 Educate our audience, Professor, on what's going on in Israel.
00:22:37.000 It's a little bit confusing for those of us that don't track Israeli politics.
00:22:41.000 And it seems as if today Bibi has come out and said, we're going to suspend these judicial reforms to the summer.
00:22:46.000 What are your thoughts?
00:22:46.000 We don't want a civil war.
00:22:48.000 Well, I'm very close to Bibi.
00:22:49.000 I've been close to him 50 years.
00:22:51.000 I've also been close to the man who was the chief justice of Israel, Aaron Barack.
00:22:56.000 So I see virtues on both sides.
00:22:58.000 What happened is the Supreme Court took a lot of power, a lot of authority, much more than the United States Supreme Court.
00:23:04.000 And professors and others and people on the right and people on the left all agree that maybe they had too much power.
00:23:10.000 But then it became a political issue and both sides overstated their claims.
00:23:14.000 So the Netanyahu side said we have to completely change the Supreme Court.
00:23:19.000 Anything that they do can be overridden by Knesset, much too far.
00:23:22.000 And we want to make sure that the justices are appointed by politicians much too far.
00:23:28.000 I've offered compromises.
00:23:29.000 I suspect that there'll be compromises.
00:23:32.000 When I was in Israel a few months ago, I met with Bibi Netanyahu for quite a while and he talked about trying to achieve balance.
00:23:39.000 This issue has gone to the streets.
00:23:42.000 And, you know, there's a little bit of an election denial going on in Israel, too.
00:23:46.000 There are some people who don't think the election was legitimate.
00:23:51.000 If that reminds you of things that went on in the United States, okay.
00:23:55.000 But it's a mess.
00:23:56.000 But I think BB has done the right thing today by putting a halt on this until after.
00:24:01.000 Remember, Israel is celebrating its 75th birthday starting at the end of this month.
00:24:05.000 And that would be spoiled if there were still demonstrations.
00:24:09.000 So I would hope that Israel could celebrate Passover, Easter, Ramadan. 0.52
00:24:14.000 It's 75th birthday.
00:24:16.000 Let cooler minds prevail and let a compromise be achieved.
00:24:21.000 I hope that could happen.
00:24:22.000 Would it be an over-exaggeration to say they were on the precipice of civil war?
00:24:26.000 That's something that Netanyahu repeated today.
00:24:28.000 No, I don't think so.
00:24:30.000 I think they were on the precipice of civil disobedience.
00:24:33.000 Civil war is more than that.
00:24:35.000 I don't think people are going to be taking up arms against people on the other side.
00:24:39.000 Remember, Israel has the strongest check and balance of any country in the world. 0.69
00:24:43.000 It's called elections.
00:24:44.000 They seem to have them every six months.
00:24:46.000 If there's any check and balance on authoritarianism or tyranny, it's having elections all the time.
00:24:54.000 And that has.
00:24:56.000 It has elections.
00:24:57.000 That's the ultimate form of check and balance, more important than a Supreme Court, more important than two houses of the legislature, elections.
00:25:06.000 And I predict there'll probably be another election within the next couple of years.
00:25:10.000 So just kind of going back to Trump here domestically as we wrap up, Professor, the other investigations, what are we seeing or hearing in the Georgia investigation?
00:25:20.000 They've gone kind of quiet.
00:25:22.000 It's going nowhere.
00:25:24.000 There's a tape recording.
00:25:25.000 We've all heard it.
00:25:26.000 The president says, I need to find, find F-I-N-D, find 13,000 votes.
00:25:33.000 Look it up in the dictionary.
00:25:34.000 Fine means that something is there, but it hasn't been counted or it hasn't been seen or it hasn't been found.
00:25:41.000 So he didn't say make up 13,000 votes, concoct manufacture.
00:25:45.000 He said find existing votes that were not counted.
00:25:49.000 That is a perfectly legitimate request and not a crime.
00:25:53.000 So I don't think George is going anywhere.
00:25:55.000 I don't think January 6th is going anywhere.
00:25:57.000 After all, when the January 6th committee presented to the American people this January 6th speech, which I didn't approve of personally, but they doctored the tape.
00:26:06.000 They took out the words.
00:26:08.000 I want you to protest peacefully and patriotically.
00:26:11.000 They didn't want those words to be used.
00:26:13.000 And those words invoke the First Amendment.
00:26:16.000 Having said those words, everything he said in the rest of the speech is protected by the First Amendment.
00:26:21.000 So that case is going nowhere.
00:26:23.000 The only case that has any legs legally is the classification, classified material case.
00:26:29.000 But that's going nowhere politically because they're not going to indict former President Trump without also indicting Pence and Biden, who also had classified material.
00:26:41.000 So I don't think any of these four cases are going anywhere, but the Bragg case in New York is by far the weakest, legally, factually, and politically.
00:26:50.000 And I think they, if there was kind of a grand strategy to quote unquote, get Trump and there was a central war room, they messed it up because Bragg leading the way he did.
00:27:00.000 Any thoughts on that, Professor?
00:27:01.000 Of how this kind of just really changed people's opinion about how this is a campaign to get Trump?
00:27:09.000 Oh, this is backfired completely.
00:27:11.000 And I think as I spoke to Donald Trump the other day on the phone, and I said, you should invest in t-shirts that have your mugshot on it.
00:27:18.000 That will be the biggest selling t-shirt in American history if they actually take a mugshot of you and that becomes part of a t-shirt and a poster.
00:27:25.000 And that would be his campaign poster.
00:27:27.000 His campaign would be a picture of him in a mugshot.
00:27:30.000 So I think it's backfired.
00:27:32.000 Professor, great book.
00:27:32.000 That's funny.
00:27:34.000 Check it out.
00:27:35.000 We're going to have you on as things continue.
00:27:35.000 Get Trump.
00:27:40.000 Donald Trump endorsed the book.
00:27:41.000 I just have to read you what he said.
00:27:43.000 It was very funny.
00:27:44.000 He said, Alan enjoyed saying, I didn't vote for Trump.
00:27:46.000 I believe he probably did.
00:27:48.000 He just that phrase for anti-credibility, but it doesn't matter.
00:27:51.000 He's a brilliant guy who wrote a very important and special book.
00:27:54.000 It's called Get Trump.
00:27:56.000 So get, get Trump.
00:27:58.000 That sounds like President Trump.
00:28:00.000 So, Professor, thank you so much.
00:28:02.000 Thank you.
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00:29:00.000 Someone says, Charlie, what is woke?
00:29:02.000 How about this?
00:29:02.000 California just crowns first man as Miss San Francisco.
00:29:07.000 So a man has just won Miss San Francisco who is wearing woman face and appropriated in that way. 0.92
00:29:15.000 You know, I asked the question last week.
00:29:18.000 I said, why is it that women get angry at a lot of things? 0.90
00:29:21.000 Not all women, but they get angry at Trump.
00:29:23.000 They get angry at their husbands. 0.93
00:29:25.000 They get angry.
00:29:26.000 But they don't get angry about men who want to be women.
00:29:28.000 They're perfectly okay with that.
00:29:30.000 We got a lot of emails in return saying, Charlie, because they're not a threat to us, they're actually some of the nicest people.
00:29:35.000 Wow, that's really strange and bizarre.
00:29:38.000 It just, it just kind of an open-ended question.
00:29:41.000 Anyway, so let's go to this here.
00:29:42.000 It's Representative Stacey Plankett on MSNBC.
00:29:45.000 This is their argument about the woke.
00:29:47.000 Remember, the way that woke can be easily defined is call everything racist till you control it.
00:29:53.000 Whatever works, whatever is structurally proven in Western society, we must disassemble it.
00:29:59.000 And there is a tyrannical totalitarian element in the woke.
00:30:02.000 Play cut 13. 0.75
00:30:04.000 The whole discussion about woke is really a dog whistle against African American, against black people, against people of color.
00:30:13.000 The things that they are deeming as woke are the things that are trying to make us a more inclusive country.
00:30:19.000 They want us to continue in fear and in anger towards each other so that they can take advantage of that.
00:30:26.000 You know, what's really interesting is that the actual people pushing the woke, though, are not black people.
00:30:31.000 It's white liberals. 0.89
00:30:32.000 It's almost uniquely white liberals that are pushing these awful ideas.
00:30:36.000 Again, it is an academic religion that is filling the void of the decline of Christianity and the decline of regular mainstream religion.
00:30:45.000 They have to fill it with something.
00:30:47.000 And the way they're trying to fill it is with these pagan, anti-racist religions.
00:30:54.000 Fox reports that elite universities are now charging thousands of dollars for politically charged DEI certificates.
00:31:02.000 Play cut 14.
00:31:03.000 Elite American universities are now charging thousands of dollars for politically charged diversity, equity, and inclusion certificates.
00:31:11.000 Yep.
00:31:12.000 One of those is Stanford University, where a federal judge is speaking out after being shouted down by a woke mob while speaking at their law school.
00:31:20.000 So you can now, for thousands of dollars, this is very similar to the selling of indulgences before Martin Luther.
00:31:27.000 This is the selling of indulgences.
00:31:29.000 For thousands of dollars, you can get a certificate in the religion of anti-racism That you're able to enter into the eternal life of wokeism if you just pay some money.
00:31:42.000 We'll let you into the club. 0.98
00:31:44.000 These people are such grifters. 0.90
00:31:45.000 The intentional racial and gender identity divisions are implemented by the elite, not by the proletariat, not by the working people, but by the elite, creating an America that hates itself and roots for its own failure. 0.97
00:32:02.000 These are the commissars of wokeness. 0.91
00:32:04.000 The French Revolution at Jacobins.
00:32:07.000 Mao Zetong had the Red Guard.
00:32:10.000 These are the commissars.
00:32:12.000 These are the wokeys, as we call them, enforcing the party orthodoxy. 1.00
00:32:19.000 And one of the ways you can make America great again and you can restore the country is you must defund DEI everywhere.
00:32:27.000 If your college has a diversity, equity, inclusion department, you must demand it be defunded immediately.
00:32:35.000 And they're using all these different forces to try to break your will, to try to break your spirit.
00:32:42.000 Do not let them.
00:32:44.000 President Trump identified this correctly. 0.98
00:32:47.000 This is the right message.
00:32:49.000 The media is going to go after him.
00:32:50.000 But he's saying that actually our biggest threats are from within.
00:32:54.000 He's right.
00:32:56.000 He can go even deeper on this.
00:32:57.000 Play cut 10.
00:32:59.000 Our biggest threat are high-level politicians that work in the United States government, like Mitch McConnell, Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, Justice Department, because that's poisoning our country.
00:33:19.000 Poisoning our country.
00:33:20.000 That is exactly right.
00:33:21.000 It is arsenic on the republic.
00:33:25.000 And he's right.
00:33:26.000 The way you get rid of the woke is you must defund it and you repeal the laws that enable it.
00:33:32.000 It's not a fact of existence.
00:33:33.000 It's a creation of our policies and our laws and our willingness to be implemented.
00:33:38.000 By the way, Disney has just let off 7,000 employees.
00:33:42.000 I feel sorry for those people that are no longer going to get a paycheck, but that's a good thing that Disney is now experiencing those pesky shackles of reality.
00:33:53.000 Disney, by the way, that also owns ESPN, that is honoring men in Women's History Month, Thomas.
00:34:02.000 NPR just laid off 10% of its workforce.
00:34:05.000 Facebook, Amazon.
00:34:06.000 There is finally a price to being woke, and we must make these companies suffer.
00:34:13.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:14.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:17.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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