The Charlie Kirk Show - Trump's Path Forward and a Message to 'Boycott Republicans' in Georgia

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, January 6th is looming.

00:00:03.000 We go through the precedent, we go through the history and what Vice President Mike Pence can do.

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00:00:16.000 Quick answer, yes.

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00:01:03.000 January 6th is looming.

00:01:04.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:01:05.000 Here we go.

00:01:07.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:01:08.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:01:10.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:01:14.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:17.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:18.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:19.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:28.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:36.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:40.000 What a week we have in store here.

00:01:43.000 And as we start this new year, we are going to be right here going into the wee hours of the evening for the Georgia runoff on the January 6th fight and so much more.

00:01:56.000 This week is going to determine the future of our republic.

00:01:59.000 It's that simple.

00:02:00.000 So breaking over the weekend, there is some surprise news.

00:02:04.000 Over the weekend, 12 United States senators, in addition to Senator Josh Hawley from Missouri, have come out and said they are going to object to the Electoral College votes.

00:02:21.000 Now, what does that mean?

00:02:22.000 Well, as we have walked through in great detail on our podcast, I encourage all of you to take out your phones and type in the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.

00:02:30.000 And if you really want to dive deep into the history, into the background, into the constitutional foundation of what we're talking about here, we have done hours of podcasts going into this.

00:02:42.000 But on January 6th, it all comes together.

00:02:46.000 January 6th is the most important, the final date, the constitutional date.

00:02:53.000 A lot of these other dates are kind of suggestions.

00:02:56.000 They're statutory.

00:02:58.000 This is constitutional.

00:03:00.000 So on January 6th, the results of the Electoral College will literally and physically be brought in big boxes to Congress.

00:03:13.000 The President of the Senate, who is the Vice President of the United States, Mike Pence, will oversee the counting.

00:03:20.000 The Constitution clearly states that the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Congress, count the votes.

00:03:28.000 Now, Congressional statute allows objections to be made.

00:03:34.000 If a member of the House and the member of the Senate both object in writing to a certain state's electoral results, they will break into their own separate chambers, listen to arguments for no more than two hours.

00:03:51.000 Now, whether it's two hours per objection or not remains to be seen.

00:03:56.000 We're not sure.

00:03:58.000 There's differing opinions, but it's really up to Mike Pence.

00:04:01.000 They will vote on the objection and they'll come back and present their findings to the president of the Senate, Mike Pence.

00:04:08.000 Now, there are 435 members of the House of Representatives, and there are 100 senators, obviously.

00:04:17.000 The list is growing of senators that are objecting.

00:04:21.000 This is the first time that we are seeing a group this large object to presidential results from the Electoral College.

00:04:34.000 Let's read off the good guys because I think we give a lot of tough love to Republicans at times.

00:04:42.000 We're going to do that later in the show.

00:04:44.000 Just ask me about Rothensberger and we'll get into that.

00:04:48.000 But when Republicans show courage, when they show spine, the good guys deserve to be recognized.

00:04:58.000 These are senators that have pledged to support an objection on January the 6th.

00:05:05.000 Steve Daines, a friend of mine.

00:05:07.000 We helped him a lot at Turning Point Action.

00:05:10.000 Ted Cruz, another friend of mine, a good American.

00:05:14.000 Josh Hawley, he's got a great future ahead of him.

00:05:17.000 James Inhoff from Oklahoma, a good man.

00:05:20.000 Ron Johnson, another good man.

00:05:24.000 Been a guest on the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.

00:05:26.000 John Kennedy from Louisiana.

00:05:28.000 He's always fun.

00:05:29.000 Roger Marshall from Kansas, newly minted senator.

00:05:35.000 James Lankford from Oklahoma, pleasantly surprised to see him, I have to say.

00:05:41.000 Cynthia Lemis from Wyoming, another friend of mine, a new senator.

00:05:47.000 She used to be a congresswoman. 1.00

00:05:48.000 Good for her. 1.00

00:05:49.000 Marsha Blackburn.

00:05:52.000 Mike Braun, who we have given, I think, a good amount of criticism towards this last year.

00:05:58.000 He complimented the terrorist organization BLM Incorporated, but now he's doing the right thing on this.

00:06:04.000 Good for you, Mike Braun.

00:06:06.000 Thank you for taking a stand for our country.

00:06:08.000 And Tommy Tubberville, that's the list.

00:06:10.000 So that's 12.

00:06:12.000 Now, courage deserves to be recognized.

00:06:16.000 And so that's what we're doing.

00:06:18.000 In addition, the rumor mill is telling us that over 180 members of the House of Representatives will object.

00:06:29.000 Now, if you have six states that are in question, Nevada, Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan, six states and two hours per objection for both houses could be upwards of 24 hours of debate.

00:06:48.000 It's about to be a circus.

00:06:49.000 And guess what?

00:06:50.000 We're going to be here for all of it on the Charlie Kirk Show live stream.

00:06:53.000 Every debate, every objection, we are going to be covering it live.

00:06:57.000 We are at Turning Point Action helping with the big event in Washington.

00:07:01.000 One of the reasons we're not going is because I want to kind of quarterback and see and analyze and communicate to all of you exactly what is going to be happening on January the 6th.

00:07:12.000 And so these objections are promising, but they're not enough.

00:07:18.000 Where is John Barroso?

00:07:22.000 Where is Roy Blunt?

00:07:26.000 John Buzman.

00:07:29.000 I was going to say, where is Corey Booker?

00:07:30.000 Because I'm reading the entire roster.

00:07:32.000 I think it's fair to say Corey Booker is not going to object to this.

00:07:36.000 Where is Richard Burr?

00:07:38.000 Probably insider trading.

00:07:40.000 Shelly Morcapado, probably asking for our support so she can get re-elected.

00:07:46.000 Mitch McConnell, nowhere to be found.

00:07:49.000 Jerry Moran from Kansas, nowhere to be found. 0.81

00:07:51.000 Lisa Murkowski might as well be a Democrat. 0.64

00:07:54.000 Lindsey Graham, Lindsey Graham goes out and asks for all of our support and all of our backing. 0.99

00:08:01.000 Nowhere to be found.

00:08:02.000 Chuck Grassley, I think Chuck's going to come around.

00:08:04.000 I think he's going to surprise us.

00:08:05.000 I have a soft spot for Chuck Grassley.

00:08:07.000 Bill Haggerty has supported.

00:08:09.000 Good for him.

00:08:10.000 There are so many bad U.S. senators.

00:08:12.000 I'm reading this list.

00:08:13.000 It's so depressing for the future of our republic.

00:08:17.000 John Hoven from North Dakota, MIA.

00:08:23.000 Cindy Hyde-Smith, really glad she asked for all the president's support in her runoff in Mississippi, nowhere to be found.

00:08:28.000 Isn't it funny how all these establishment senators, they want the MAGA support, they need the Trump support, but when he needs them to object to polluted and poisoned election results? 0.58

00:08:38.000 MIA.

00:08:41.000 Remember that, everybody.

00:08:42.000 Bill Cassidy, MIA.

00:08:44.000 Susan Collins, wouldn't expect anything from her.

00:08:46.000 John Cornyn, really glad that we all stepped up and helped him.

00:08:50.000 Tom Cotton, I'm going to get to in a second because he has a thoughtful dissent that I completely disagree with.

00:08:58.000 Kevin Kramer, really glad we helped him out.

00:09:01.000 Mike Crapo.

00:09:02.000 I met him over the summer.

00:09:03.000 I hope he does the right thing here.

00:09:05.000 I think he might.

00:09:06.000 Joni Ernst, yeah, really glad we all rallied for Joni in Iowa.

00:09:09.000 That's going to be really helpful.

00:09:10.000 Deb Fisher, waste of time.

00:09:13.000 Marco Rubio, I think Marco might come around.

00:09:16.000 I actually think Marco might come around.

00:09:18.000 I'm going to hold out for that.

00:09:19.000 Ben Sass, forget it.

00:09:22.000 Rick Scott, Tim Scott.

00:09:26.000 I'm going to keep going through the roster because I think it's important we go name by name of every U.S. senator that has courage or for whatever reason doesn't want to fight right now.

00:09:37.000 Rob Portman, not supporting the objection to the Electoral College.

00:09:43.000 I am going to tell you my least favorite argument as soon as I get through this whole list because every person needs to be named.

00:09:51.000 By the way, I just, we got an email here at freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:09:55.000 You guys can email us anytime.

00:09:56.000 I'll try to look at them during the break.

00:09:58.000 Someone says, Charlie, you're not naming the Democrats.

00:10:00.000 Why?

00:10:02.000 I would be repeating myself by just naming Democrats to not object.

00:10:06.000 We know it's complete uniform that they're not even going to entertain this.

00:10:11.000 Senator Risch from Idaho, nowhere to be found.

00:10:15.000 Senator Mitt Romney, that's a surprise.

00:10:18.000 Senator Mike Rounds from South Dakota.

00:10:24.000 Senator Rand Paul, a good friend of mine, has yet to object.

00:10:29.000 And I am putting an asterisk by his name because both Tom Cotton and Rand Paul have, I think, thoughtful reasons.

00:10:38.000 I disagree with them on this.

00:10:39.000 Rand Paul actually hasn't said whether or not he'll do it.

00:10:41.000 I understand where Senator Paul's thinking is here.

00:10:46.000 And Senator Paul has had our country, our Constitution, and our president's back.

00:10:52.000 And so Senator Paul is not on my list of criticism.

00:10:56.000 He's been phenomenally courageous.

00:10:58.000 Richard Shelby, though, nowhere to be found, M.I.A. Dan Sullivan, we went and helped him out in Alaska.

00:11:07.000 John Thune, M.I.A. Tom Tillis.

00:11:12.000 Do you think all those Trump voters would have come out of the hills and come out of the rivers and come out of the valleys?

00:11:17.000 Would they know that Tom Tillis would not have the president's back when it matters?

00:11:20.000 Pat Toomey, resigning soon.

00:11:24.000 Tommy Tubberville is objecting.

00:11:27.000 Good for him.

00:11:29.000 Roger Wicker, nowhere to be found.

00:11:32.000 And then Todd Young from Indiana, MIA.

00:11:36.000 So there are 12 senators.

00:11:39.000 We anticipate about 180 House members, including Congressman Kevin McCarthy, who is leading the charge and is in favor of the objection.

00:11:51.000 Kevin McCarthy is a friend of mine, and I have to say thank you, Kevin, for doing that.

00:11:55.000 He deserves credit for that.

00:11:57.000 And I can say that Congressman Kevin McCarthy signaling that support is a sea change difference from Paul Ryan and John Boehner.

00:12:12.000 Deserves credit for that.

00:12:15.000 Now, my least favorite argument when I go through this list, and I've talked, I've spoken to some senators, and I'm going to get into Ben Sasse, Tom Cotton, and with it, Senator Rand Paul's argument.

00:12:29.000 And Rand Paul's argument is a little bit different.

00:12:34.000 But Sasse and Cotton, and Tom Cotton's a friend of mine, so I have to preface by saying that.

00:12:41.000 And he's been phenomenal on the BLM, phenomenal on the statues.

00:12:44.000 He's been phenomenal on all of it.

00:12:47.000 But I want to dive into his argument because I just don't agree with it.

00:12:50.000 I think it's wrong.

00:12:51.000 So, but I put Cotton and Rand Paul in a different category.

00:12:55.000 It's not like they're afraid of a fight.

00:12:55.000 Here's why.

00:12:57.000 They have fought on every single front.

00:13:00.000 I just think they have a philosophical difference here.

00:13:02.000 Ben Sasse on the other side, we'll get into that.

00:13:04.000 But the argument that I can't stand that is privately being circulated amongst many members of Congress is, well, this is going to fail.

00:13:14.000 If you judge the likelihood of success as to whether or not you fight, then you are not actually fighting.

00:13:23.000 You are wagering.

00:13:25.000 You are waging and hedging your involvement based on the probability of success.

00:13:31.000 Fighting and contesting for truth should happen irrespective of whether or not you think the odds are in your favor, especially when the stakes are this high.

00:13:43.000 So a week ago, just to give you an idea, a week ago, we had zero publicly announced senators.

00:13:51.000 I think maybe Holly was a week ago.

00:13:53.000 I think it was five or six days ago.

00:13:54.000 The point is this.

00:13:54.000 10 days ago, on Christmas, there were zero publicly declared senators that were supporting an objection to the Electoral College results.

00:14:03.000 My friend, Congressman Madison Cawthorne, the youngest elected member ever to the U.S. House of Representatives, who is now officially a congressman as of yesterday, announced that he was going to object at our Turning Point USA Student Action Summit.

00:14:18.000 He was ridiculed, lamb blasted, attacked, slandered, but he actually led the charge in a variety of different ways on this.

00:14:25.000 And Congressman Madison Cawthorne deserves a lot of credit for that.

00:14:30.000 Same with my friend, Congressman Matt Gates.

00:14:33.000 They objected early, and now you can see how this has grown.

00:14:36.000 But 12 senators is not going to be enough.

00:14:39.000 It's not.

00:14:41.000 And we're going to dive into the three possible outcomes of what can happen on January the 6th and what power Pence has.

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00:15:57.000 Okay, there are three outcomes of what can happen on January the 6th.

00:16:03.000 We're going to tell it to you straight, constitutionally, and we're going to go right into this through with historical context in a way that many other programs are kind of tap dancing around what's happening.

00:16:21.000 Let me begin by saying these three outcomes have separate consequences and arguments behind them.

00:16:34.000 I don't love the place that we're in right now.

00:16:38.000 Let me make this very clear.

00:16:40.000 I do not believe that our founding fathers wanted as a default mechanism, a parliamentarian body to decide U.S. presidential elections with regularity.

00:17:00.000 For example, in Britain, the way that they appoint leaders is through a parliament.

00:17:10.000 It would be no different than choosing a Speaker of the House.

00:17:13.000 So Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the House again for another term yesterday, barely. 1.00

00:17:20.000 That's how they want presidential elections to work.

00:17:23.000 That's how Boris Johnson is put into power.

00:17:26.000 That's how a lot of Europe works.

00:17:29.000 The founders never designed a system like that.

00:17:32.000 They wanted a state-based system and as a firewall against election misfires, they wanted a process to be able to remedy election fraud issues, irregularities, and elections becoming overly political in the tabulation of votes.

00:17:57.000 So let me say this again.

00:17:58.000 I don't love where we are, but that is completely irrelevant to where we are.

00:18:04.000 How many times in life are you in a place or a position that you say, well, I don't really want to be in this position?

00:18:09.000 Tough.

00:18:11.000 We're here.

00:18:12.000 So let's deal with it.

00:18:14.000 Only a couple times in American history have elections gone to Congress for final certification.

00:18:24.000 That's not the best way to word it.

00:18:26.000 They always go for final certification, but they go in contention for certification.

00:18:30.000 That's a better way to word it.

00:18:33.000 The election of 1800, where Thomas Jefferson himself was running for the presidency, he was the vice president of the United States and Georgia of all states was hotly contested.

00:18:44.000 He decided as the president of the Senate, the vice president of the United States, to put the Georgia votes in his category.

00:18:50.000 He was running up against John Jay and other kind of founding fathers.

00:18:55.000 This was the big leagues of American politics.

00:18:57.000 These were guys that literally started the country.

00:18:59.000 You want to talk about some egos?

00:19:01.000 I mean, they started the country.

00:19:04.000 Thomas Jefferson put it in his category.

00:19:07.000 He ended up becoming the third president of the United States on Mount Rushmore and well known as the father of the Declaration, University of Virginia, and many of the foundational ideas of our country.

00:19:24.000 In 1876, we are in a reconstruction phase.

00:19:29.000 The country was divided post-Civil War.

00:19:33.000 President Hayes was running up against Samuel Tilden, a Democrat.

00:19:39.000 The Electoral College results was, I believe, 245 to 244.

00:19:44.000 It was just one that separated the results.

00:19:46.000 They go to Congress.

00:19:48.000 They couldn't get a decision.

00:19:52.000 The House and the Senate could not agree on certification.

00:19:57.000 The Senate was Republican.

00:20:00.000 The House was Democrat.

00:20:02.000 And a great bargain and compromise ensued, which resulted in President Hayes, a Republican, becoming president, but Reconstruction stopping in the South.

00:20:15.000 In 1960, Vice President Richard Nixon was running against JFK, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, for the presidency.

00:20:27.000 Hawaii had widespread election fraud.

00:20:32.000 JFK was called the winner on election night.

00:20:35.000 The electors were sent to go support Nixon.

00:20:41.000 But Nixon, because of public pressure and because of a mass media campaign, decided in his own words to put country above party and unilaterally as the president of the Senate took the results and did not put them in his category, but put them in JFK's category.

00:21:06.000 Now, that was not a breaking point for the election.

00:21:11.000 Other states that were heavily Catholic, such as New Jersey and Illinois, were the real reason why JFK won in 1960, and he won because of voter fraud, specifically in Chicago.

00:21:23.000 So there are three potential outcomes.

00:21:27.000 Number one, the objections in Congress in the next 48 hours gain enough steam in the United States Senate that 50 objections can be found, and there's a gridlock and a kind of political paralysis that sets in.

00:21:51.000 And no winner is able to be certified via Congress.

00:21:56.000 This would trigger an 1876 scenario.

00:22:01.000 This would trigger a Hayes versus Tilden tug of war.

00:22:08.000 What then would happen is constitutionally, it would go to the House of Representatives.

00:22:14.000 The House of Representatives, each state gets one vote.

00:22:18.000 If every state voted in their partisan makeup, there are three more states that are majority Republican than Democrat, and Trump would serve a second term.

00:22:30.000 That is if we can find 50 United States senators to object to the results of at least three of the six contested states.

00:22:43.000 We've gone through the whole list.

00:22:45.000 There are 12 that have the courage and the clarity to speak out.

00:22:51.000 You need 50.

00:22:53.000 We're short 38.

00:22:56.000 I'm going to tell you something that is true, but sad.

00:23:04.000 It is incredibly unlikely, and I will say almost impossible, that 50 United States senators will object to at least three states on January the 6th.

00:23:17.000 I wish that was not the case.

00:23:19.000 But unlike other channels and programs that are in the business of getting your hopes up so that you can keep on revisiting them, I'm not going to lie to you.

00:23:31.000 It is unlikely that the United States Senate is going to have 50 votes to object.

00:23:39.000 However, that doesn't mean it's over.

00:23:43.000 So the first scenario is that the objections work.

00:23:47.000 Unlikely.

00:23:48.000 The second scenario, which is controversial, but constitutional, is Mike Pence, Vice President of the United States, a friend of mine, the Honorable Mike Pence, listens to the objections, grants two hours per objection, which if that is technically true, again, there's a lot of debate there.

00:24:12.000 If there are 180 House objections and two hours per objection, it's a lot of, that's 360 hours of objections, but Biden would never get sworn in.

00:24:24.000 I don't think that's going to be the case.

00:24:26.000 I think they're going to be granted two hours per state objection.

00:24:30.000 And we're going to be covering all of this live as it happens.

00:24:33.000 So our YouTube channel, our radio show, our podcast is the place to be.

00:24:37.000 Other networks are not going to cover it.

00:24:39.000 We will in real time.

00:24:41.000 And we are actually going to name the names.

00:24:42.000 We are going to go roll call on the U.S. Senate and tell you who votes, who objects, who abstains, and who runs to the hills.

00:24:51.000 We're going to do that.

00:24:54.000 But let's say that you have the objections and they fail.

00:24:59.000 This is the third outcome.

00:25:00.000 I'll tell you the second outcome in just a second here.

00:25:03.000 And they fail.

00:25:05.000 Despite what the media and certain weak, intellectually compromised constitutional scholars are telling you, Mike Pence does not have to accept the results of polluted and poisoned electors.

00:25:23.000 He does not.

00:25:24.000 Richard Nixon showed us this in 1960.

00:25:30.000 The Electoral Count Act of 1887 said that the Congress approved the Electoral Count Act after an epic battle from the disputed election of 1876, President Hayes versus Samuel Tilden.

00:25:44.000 But the Electoral Count Act, alongside the 12th Amendment, sets the grounds, ground rules for how Congress operates during the joint session of Congress to certify the winner of the Electoral College.

00:25:58.000 Probably unconstitutional.

00:26:00.000 And that's why Louis Gohmert sued, but our courts are completely compromised.

00:26:04.000 Our courts want nothing to do with this.

00:26:08.000 So the final outcome can be this.

00:26:11.000 Believe it or not, there is a almost guaranteed way that Donald Trump serves four more years.

00:26:20.000 It's this simple.

00:26:22.000 Mike Pence listens to the objections.

00:26:26.000 He listens to the claims and the complaints.

00:26:29.000 And he says, based on the power and the authority granted to me as President of the United States Senate and my oath to the Constitution of the United States, I refuse to certify at this very moment the election results of Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

00:26:50.000 Therefore, no person, no candidate has reached a 270 majority threshold, and the United States House of Representatives shall decide this election.

00:27:00.000 Gavel out.

00:27:01.000 That's it.

00:27:03.000 He doesn't have to grant the electors to Trump.

00:27:07.000 I actually wouldn't support that.

00:27:09.000 I think that would be a power leap.

00:27:13.000 All Pence has to do is reject electors from states that are compromised.

00:27:22.000 Some people say that's not constitutional.

00:27:25.000 Then try it.

00:27:28.000 Make them sue and get the Supreme Court into action because we have precedent that a vice president can reject state electors.

00:27:41.000 Mike Pence has the power.

00:27:46.000 And so he's going to be given two envelopes for Arizona.

00:27:51.000 Two envelopes.

00:27:53.000 Mike Pence, at that moment, because the objections are probably going to fail.

00:27:59.000 I'm just going to be honest with you guys.

00:28:01.000 I'm going to tell it to you straight.

00:28:03.000 The objections will probably fail.

00:28:05.000 I've gone through this list.

00:28:07.000 You're trying to tell me Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins and Mitt Romney and Ben Sass and Pat Toomey are going to step up.

00:28:13.000 No, that's already it.

00:28:14.000 You're done.

00:28:15.000 You're at 48 before you even start.

00:28:17.000 Okay?

00:28:18.000 Wish that wasn't the case, but I did go through the courageous Republicans that are trying to start building momentum.

00:28:23.000 Okay.

00:28:24.000 So let's say we're at 48.

00:28:26.000 Mike Pence, because he has plenary power, has a choice.

00:28:32.000 Do I take the Trump electors or do I take the Biden electors?

00:28:36.000 Let's say for Arizona.

00:28:38.000 He's going to be getting pressure to just put the Trump category or the Biden category.

00:28:43.000 I think he should put him aside and say none.

00:28:50.000 Those states' electors are too much in question.

00:28:53.000 I am not one to say Trump or Biden.

00:28:56.000 No electors.

00:28:58.000 He has the absolute and complete constitutional authority to do that.

00:29:05.000 There will be other scholars that come out and say the opposite, then ask very clearly, how did Richard Nixon do that in 1960?

00:29:14.000 And why was that never challenged in the United States Supreme Court?

00:29:18.000 And if it's unconstitutional, then fine, sue.

00:29:23.000 And again, that will not make Trump president.

00:29:26.000 What I am recommending right now will not necessarily make Trump president.

00:29:30.000 That will bring it to the House of Representatives to decide the election, which is where the founders wanted it to be.

00:29:39.000 The Senate's involvement in this has always been statutory.

00:29:42.000 It's been suspect at best.

00:29:46.000 They wanted the House to be able to decide.

00:29:50.000 So once it goes to the House, each state gets one vote.

00:29:55.000 There are competing forces and opinions that are saying Mike Pence does not have that power.

00:30:02.000 Plenty of scholars and judges, former and current, have said remains to be seen.

00:30:10.000 Then do it and make them sue and get the court into action.

00:30:16.000 For those of you that are listening in Georgia right now, you have a moral obligation to re-elect Senator Laughler and Senator David Perdue.

00:30:25.000 Anyone who tells you to boycott the Georgia runoffs is doing the handiwork of Chuck Schumer and the arsonist Democrats.

00:30:36.000 Nothing like sticking it to the establishment Republicans, like electing Democrats.

00:30:42.000 Let me tell you something that is so clearly morally, this is a law.

00:30:49.000 It never is a good thing to elect a Democrat.

00:30:52.000 That's it.

00:30:54.000 It is never the moral thing to elect a Democrat.

00:30:59.000 Is it always a good thing to elect establishment Republicans?

00:31:03.000 Questionable.

00:31:04.000 But when you have binary choices, some people say, well, I don't like binary choices.

00:31:09.000 You haven't lived a complex enough life to understand that sometimes life is black and white.

00:31:14.000 It's that simple.

00:31:15.000 Do I fire this person or not?

00:31:17.000 Do I hire this person or not?

00:31:18.000 Do I sign this loan document or not?

00:31:21.000 Stop living in some sort of multi-dimensional underwater chess game that my boycott is going to send a message. 1.00

00:31:28.000 You're an idiot. 1.00

00:31:30.000 It is never a moral thing to elect a Democrat, especially like Warnock and that teenager that's running for office named Assef. 1.00

00:31:40.000 There's a lot more I have to say about that, but please just elect Law Florener and David Perdue so I never have to talk about this again.

00:31:46.000 This week is massive.

00:31:49.000 This week will decide whether or not a January 20th inauguration will include or be for Joe Biden or for Donald Trump.

00:32:03.000 All of this kind of rests on objections that are now mounting in unprecedented fashion and form from Senator Ted Cruz to Tommy Tubberville.

00:32:16.000 I have the full list here of all the good guys.

00:32:19.000 Plenty of not-so-good guys.

00:32:21.000 Let me tell you what.

00:32:23.000 Steve Daines, friend of mine.

00:32:24.000 He's great.

00:32:25.000 Ted Cruz.

00:32:27.000 Tom Cotton is not.

00:32:29.000 I want to get to that later on.

00:32:31.000 Tom Cotton is not objecting.

00:32:33.000 Bill Haggerty, Josh Hawley, Cynthia Lummis, James Lankford, Roger Marshall, who is a total surprise.

00:32:39.000 James Inhoff, really pleasantly pleased to see that, truly.

00:32:43.000 Ron Johnson, John Kennedy, Mike Braun, and Marsha Blackburn.

00:32:48.000 I might be missing one if I am.

00:32:50.000 I apologize.

00:32:51.000 180 House members and growing plan to object, led by Kevin McCarthy.

00:33:00.000 And so once you object, it goes into the different chambers, and we talked about the three different outcomes.

00:33:05.000 Number one, the objections work.

00:33:07.000 Number two, Mike Pence refuses to count the polluted ballots.

00:33:11.000 Number three, the objections fail.

00:33:14.000 Pence counts the failed ballots and Biden becomes president.

00:33:19.000 So result number one: Trump will win.

00:33:22.000 The objections are likely going to fail.

00:33:27.000 It is very unlikely that 50 United States senators are going to object on January the 6th.

00:33:35.000 That might be an uncomfortable thing to talk about, but it is true.

00:33:40.000 Cruz, Johnson, Hawley, Lankford, Daines, Kennedy, Blackburn, Braun, Lummis, Marshall, Haggerty, Tuberville.

00:33:48.000 Good for all of you.

00:33:51.000 Thank you, I should also say.

00:33:54.000 So, Mike Pence, according to people I have talked to and certain sources that I know, is under the impression constitutionally that he does not have the power to not count the votes.

00:34:10.000 The Constitution says very clearly: the president of the Senate in the presence of Congress shall count the votes from the Electoral College.

00:34:17.000 However, what it actually means to count votes and to count ballots is open for interpretation.

00:34:24.000 1960, Richard Nixon basically did as he chose in defiance to certain certification of the states.

00:34:36.000 Let's go to Mark Levin.

00:34:38.000 Mark Levin, cut 18, of how Mark Levin argues that this is an unconstitutional election.

00:34:44.000 Cut 19.

00:34:45.000 So what happened in Pennsylvania between 2016 and this election?

00:34:50.000 The governor of the state, the Secretary of State of the state, two left-wing Democrats, the majority on the Supreme Court elected five out of seven Democrats.

00:35:01.000 All of them conspired to change state law that was passed by the state legislature.

00:35:08.000 They destroyed the election laws in Pennsylvania to accommodate Joe Biden and the Democrat Party.

00:35:14.000 They violated the specific language of the federal constitution because they had a Republican legislature and they needed to go around them.

00:35:22.000 Play cut 21, where Mark Levin says clearly, I don't have to prove that there was a single fraudulent ballot.

00:35:28.000 Play cut 21.

00:35:30.000 And I don't have to find one damn fraudulent ballot to make the point that what was done in Pennsylvania by the Biden campaign, by the DNC, by the state Democrats, and by their officials violated the federal constitution. 0.94

00:35:45.000 Period. 0.91

00:35:46.000 Whether there's fraudulent votes or not, and there are, and a lot, but they violated the specific language of the federal constitution because they had a Republican legislature and they needed to go around them.

00:35:59.000 And so, very clearly, Mike Pence has the authority, because this was an unconstitutional election, to not count the ballots that changed their election law in defiance to the wishes of the state legislature.

00:36:14.000 That would make this election go to the House of Representatives.

00:36:17.000 Now, if this was the plan and if this was the last resort option, then President Trump and his team should have announced this a month ago so we could have prepped the American people and with it the media that this was coming.

00:36:36.000 It's too late for that.

00:36:38.000 Mike Pence has the power.

00:36:41.000 He is overseeing the entire process as the president of the Senate, and he can choose not to count ballots that are completely and totally fraudulent and were certified unconstitutionally.

00:36:57.000 Now, if Pence did this, he would immediately be challenged in court.

00:37:03.000 Okay.

00:37:04.000 Whether he would win that court challenge or not, I don't know.

00:37:08.000 Remember, Pence is going to be presented with both envelopes.

00:37:12.000 Let's take Arizona, for example.

00:37:14.000 Electors for Trump, electors for Biden.

00:37:18.000 According to the Electoral College and the state certification, the governor of Arizona says electors for Biden.

00:37:27.000 The other hand, electors for Trump.

00:37:31.000 The moral thing to do and the constitutional thing to do, unless otherwise clearly stated, which has not been done, is to say, I will not count these or he'll count both of them, which is a net zero.

00:37:46.000 It doesn't, it wouldn't allow that threshold to be reached.

00:37:51.000 I don't like that idea as much.

00:37:53.000 Pence has plenary power.

00:37:56.000 So Pence should say, I'm not counting Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, sue me.

00:38:03.000 And if we lose in court, then so be it.

00:38:06.000 Mark Levin says very clearly, I don't have to prove that there was a single fraudulent ballot.

00:38:12.000 This is cut 21.

00:38:13.000 This is critical.

00:38:15.000 The entire election was unconstitutional in the way that election law was changed in defiance from not going through the state legislatures.

00:38:23.000 Therefore, the president of the Senate in any of those states should reject those electors, whether they were for Trump or for Biden.

00:38:31.000 Mark Levin has the best point here.

00:38:35.000 Mark Levin is saying very clearly, it is actually irrelevant whether or not there was fraud.

00:38:42.000 There was.

00:38:43.000 Hard to prove.

00:38:43.000 You know what's easy to prove?

00:38:45.000 It's not hard to prove for us.

00:38:46.000 We see that we had a whole whiteboard.

00:38:48.000 We could bring it back out.

00:38:49.000 We're going to have a whiteboard tomorrow about all sorts of different things.

00:38:51.000 That's not the point.

00:38:52.000 The point is that a judge doesn't want to engage into it.

00:38:55.000 Okay.

00:38:55.000 A judge, but you know what a judge should want to engage into?

00:38:59.000 That the United States Constitution says that the state legislatures shall be the ones that change election law.

00:39:05.000 That's not what happened here.

00:39:06.000 Secretary of States operating under their own authority outside of the state legislatures changed election law.

00:39:13.000 Therefore, the entire election is invalidated.

00:39:15.000 So I'm going to repeat this throughout this hour a couple times.

00:39:18.000 And we are the only program outside of the great one, Mark Levin, that's going to say this.

00:39:23.000 Mike Pence does not have to count the ballots from states that violated the United States Constitution.

00:39:31.000 He doesn't.

00:39:32.000 He can say, I have both of them here.

00:39:35.000 President Trump and Joe Biden will not be rewarded the electors from Georgia.

00:39:41.000 They will not be awarded the electors from Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

00:39:46.000 What happens next?

00:39:48.000 And what's the strategy from there?

00:39:50.000 It's actually super clear, but it's also incredibly hard.

00:39:56.000 It's not hard in the sense that it's difficult to navigate.

00:39:59.000 It's hard because the backlash for the president to serve a second term would be immense.

00:40:09.000 People are trying to say that President Trump is trying to overturn the election.

00:40:13.000 This is nonsense.

00:40:15.000 President Trump is trying to clarify the election, that the actual winner of the election gets made perfectly clear.

00:40:23.000 January 6th is really a question as to whether or not that document called the United States Constitution actually has any power any longer.

00:40:35.000 It's very simple.

00:40:37.000 The objections are going to happen.

00:40:39.000 12 U.S. Senators, more no than yes, but still significant.

00:40:46.000 They'll likely fail.

00:40:49.000 And then it will be up to Vice President Mike Pence.

00:40:53.000 It'll be in his hand to either count the electors for Trump, for Biden, or not count them at all.

00:40:59.000 We believe the most constitutional, fair option is not count them at all.

00:41:05.000 It then goes to the United States House of Representatives.

00:41:07.000 Now, mind you, at that moment, the entire country would go into bedlam, which is why, if this was their strategy, they better communicate this very soon, or else there will be civil unrest.

00:41:19.000 There will be uprisings.

00:41:21.000 The media will absolutely lose it.

00:41:24.000 So what?

00:41:26.000 These elections were conducted unconstitutionally.

00:41:30.000 Now, if Mike Pence does not do this and he certifies after the objections fail for Biden, then it really kind of is over at that moment.

00:41:41.000 The gavel slams.

00:41:45.000 That's it.

00:41:47.000 But Mike Pence can say, he could even delay.

00:41:50.000 He can say, you know what?

00:41:51.000 As the president of the Senate, I have plenary power.

00:41:53.000 I'm not going to count these.

00:41:55.000 We are not going to count these.

00:41:58.000 If that happened, the electoral count would be about 233 for Trump.

00:42:02.000 I think like 230 for Biden.

00:42:04.000 The point is, no one would get to the majority needed at 270.

00:42:07.000 Then it goes to the House.

00:42:09.000 That's when the real chaos will start.

00:42:13.000 And if the House then decides that Joe Biden legitimately won Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona, Nevada, well, then that's what the mechanism is there for.

00:42:25.000 However, let's take a little trip back in the time machine.

00:42:31.000 Back in 2004, George W. Bush had defeated John Kerry, and Ohio was the swing state.

00:42:39.000 Without Ohio's electoral votes, it would have gone to the House of Representatives, and with it, John Kerry might have become president.

00:42:47.000 Remember when Democrats were calling for this?

00:42:48.000 Cut four.

00:42:50.000 People must have confidence that every vote legally cast will be legally counted and accurately counted.

00:42:58.000 But constantly shifting vote tallies in Ohio and malfunctioning electronic machines, which may not have paper receipts, have led to additional loss of confidence by the public.

00:43:13.000 As elected officials, we have a solemn responsibility to improve our election system and its administration.

00:43:21.000 Cannot be here again four years from now discussing the failings of the 2008 election.

00:43:29.000 During the House debate, Kevin McCarthy, who's been terrific on this, by the way, thank you, Kevin McCarthy, for objecting and for leading the troops to do the same.

00:43:38.000 My friend Kevin McCarthy deserves credit for this.

00:43:41.000 He wants to be Speaker, and this is a good way to become Speaker, is fight the tough fights.

00:43:48.000 He should play that tape clearly on the House floor.

00:43:54.000 The question is twofold.

00:43:56.000 Number one, is Pence getting bad constitutional advice that he doesn't have the power to do this?

00:44:01.000 And we don't know that.

00:44:02.000 The Supreme Court has not ruled on that.

00:44:06.000 And if the Supreme Court comes out and says it's unconstitutional for the president of the Senate under his plenary power granted him by the Constitution, given by the Founding Fathers and unchanged and unratified, does not have the power to not count ballots that were done so for, that were done unconstitutionally, then that would be final.

00:44:24.000 But if it goes to the House, we have picked presidents through the House before.

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00:45:17.000 Let's go to cut 10 of Representative Elise Stefanik saying she will object on January the 6th.

00:45:23.000 As the representative for New York's 21st congressional district, I plan to object to certain contested electors on January 6th.

00:45:32.000 I am committed to restoring the faith of the American people in our elections that they are free, fair, secure, and according to the United States Constitution.

00:45:43.000 Good for her.

00:45:44.000 She deserves credit. 0.99

00:45:45.000 And she is in leadership of the House of Representatives.

00:45:48.000 She was once the youngest woman ever to serve in the House of Representatives.

00:45:53.000 Now the youngest member label goes to Madison Cawthorne, who is a sitting member of the U.S. House of Representatives.

00:46:02.000 In addition, the Democrats are predictably attacking anyone who is coming out to object to the results as a traitor to the United States of America.

00:46:13.000 Let's play cut 14, where Joe Scarborough says just that.

00:46:18.000 They've remained quiet while the president of the United States has tried to conduct a coup against a democratically elected president-elect.

00:46:30.000 And now they are engaging in acts that are helping the presidents attempt to pull off sedition against the United States of America.

00:46:41.000 A coup.

00:46:42.000 Now, of course, they were silent when an actual coup was launched against President Trump four years ago.

00:46:48.000 It seems as if liberals don't want us to live in their country anymore, and that feeling is increasingly mutual.

00:46:57.000 When they call us traitors, as if we need to be hung because we're enacting treason, it's a dangerous framing of the argument when you call people you disagree with traitors to the United States of America.

00:47:19.000 Mind you, Republicans don't use this language because we know that if you call someone a traitor, it's punishable by death.

00:47:27.000 And so will Mike Pence make the decision not to count the ballots from each state that is in contention?

00:47:37.000 We don't know.

00:47:39.000 But to be very honest and very clear with all of you, I know you would expect nothing else or nothing less from us.

00:47:48.000 That's probably the only option for President Trump to serve a second term at this point.

00:47:53.000 That's it.

00:47:55.000 There are not enough senators that have a backbone to fight.

00:48:01.000 We do not have a majority in the House of Representatives, despite Nancy Pelosi saying it's not a conspiracy theory not to talk about voter fraud.

00:48:10.000 Let's play cut five.

00:48:12.000 Our very democracy depends again on the confidence of the American people in the integrity of our electoral system.

00:48:21.000 So my colleagues, please don't talk about this about a conspiracy theory.

00:48:26.000 It's not about that.

00:48:27.000 It's not about conspiracy.

00:48:30.000 It's about the Constitution of the United States.

00:48:34.000 It's about the Constitution of the United States. 0.95

00:48:36.000 Isn't it amazing how they love the Constitution when it just fits their radical, ridiculous agenda? 0.95

00:48:44.000 So that's it. 0.97

00:48:45.000 It is that clear.

00:48:47.000 Three options.

00:48:48.000 Number one, magically in the next 48 hours, senators rise up, House members rise up, Democrats say, you know what?

00:48:56.000 I don't want a vice president.

00:48:57.000 I don't want a Biden presidency.

00:48:59.000 And the objections work.

00:49:02.000 The other option is the objections fail.

00:49:06.000 And Pence follows the certification of ballots and results that are fraud, flawed, fraudulent, and unconstitutional in nature.

00:49:18.000 Or Mike Pence refuses to count ballots from states that acted unconstitutionally with remarkable, overwhelming evidence of fraud.

00:49:29.000 If that final scenario happens and it goes to the House of Representatives, the circus will ensue, of course.

00:49:37.000 That's why we're here to help make sense of all of this.

00:49:41.000 And each state gets one vote.

00:49:45.000 South Dakota gets the same amount of vote as California, and that will determine the next president of the United States.

00:49:54.000 It's really that clear.

00:49:57.000 None of it is easy in the sense that the backlash, the spine that it would take, the backlash you'd have to endure, the spine that it would take to win that argument, to push back against that backlash is significant.

00:50:18.000 The courts have little to no interest in engaging in this, but the one way that you can get the courts into action is if Pence acted with the authority, the plenary power that he absolutely has.

00:50:33.000 Now, Senator Ted Cruz has suggested and recommended a 10-day commission, 10-day delay.

00:50:41.000 Mr. Cruz and 10 other Republican senators have proposed the creation of an election commission to investigate claims of voter fraud in certain states within 10 days and said they would vote to reject the electors for Biden on Wednesday until one was formed.

00:50:57.000 There is little chance one will be.

00:50:58.000 That's what the New York Times has said.

00:51:00.000 Okay.

00:51:01.000 But the sequence is this.

00:51:05.000 Pence rejects electors from states that are in contention as other vice presidents have in the past, even if they're involved in the election.

00:51:18.000 That'll go to the House.

00:51:19.000 Pence will immediately get sued.

00:51:22.000 The Supreme Court will convene.

00:51:24.000 They'll determine whether or not Pence has the authority to do that, which he does.

00:51:28.000 Other vice presidents have done it before.

00:51:30.000 And then the House will vote.

00:51:32.000 Now, also, don't underestimate the power of the 24 hours of debate.

00:51:39.000 The 24 hours of debate in the Senate and the House.

00:51:44.000 Also, what about the state legislatures that could also recall and decertify some of these election results?

00:51:54.000 The Trump team, including Rudy Giuliani, who's on our third hour of our radio program and also on our podcast and our YouTube channel.

00:52:02.000 So make sure you check out the podcast, has said that the state legislatures could decertify.

00:52:06.000 Now, I said this on my podcast today.

00:52:08.000 I encourage you guys to check it out.

00:52:10.000 The lack of a long-term strategic plan here from whomever is calling the shots on behalf of the president here when it comes to Mike Pence might be the downfall of this whole strategy.

00:52:26.000 If as soon as we started to see the election results go in a troubling direction where we started to see the fraud pile up and all this, if the Trump team would have said, we are not going to certify via Mike Pence's decision on January the 6th, unless we get this cleared up, the framing would have been Joe Biden is not president-elect, and the Democrats would have been put on defense.

00:52:54.000 We would have put on offense despite what all the fraud was happening.

00:52:58.000 And then we would have had a long period of time to win over public opinion, win over senators, and then use the Georgia runoffs as a way to get broad-based support from the United States Senate.

00:53:10.000 Mitch, you want Donald Trump to go visit Georgia?

00:53:13.000 Then you got to get the Senate in line on January 6th not to support all of these different measures.

00:53:20.000 That would have been a proper course of action.

00:53:23.000 Instead, it's like a circus.

00:53:24.000 And I'm not blaming anyone in particular because it's really uncharted territory.

00:53:28.000 It's unprecedented.

00:53:29.000 But things were moving so fast that in November 10th or November 12th, it would have done everyone a lot of good if the people in charge of crafting the strategic plan would have turned off all their devices, would have opened up the United States Constitution and gamed this out and first asked themselves the question: are they willing to go constitutionally scorched earth or do they just want to go through the motions?

00:53:54.000 The president, he's willing to fight all this through.

00:53:57.000 Other people, I don't know.

00:53:59.000 Some people that are doing this, I don't like to attack people's motives.

00:54:04.000 It feels like, though, some people that are doing this are doing this for political theatrics.

00:54:09.000 Look at me.

00:54:10.000 And by the way, it's kind of irrelevant.

00:54:12.000 The intentions here are completely and totally irrelevant.

00:54:15.000 If you're objecting and your intention is for your own selfish political game, so what?

00:54:21.000 You're doing the right thing.

00:54:22.000 I hope you benefit from it.

00:54:25.000 However, properly charting this out and putting the Democrats on defense saying, no, no, no, no, you have to prove that this election was not stolen in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nevada.

00:54:40.000 Instead, now the framing of the media because we let it happen was that somehow we're the ones that are trying to overturn the election.

00:54:49.000 No, they're the ones that are trying to uphold a fraudulent election.

00:54:53.000 It's a completely different thing.

00:54:56.000 And for those of you that are just tuning in on the radio program or on the live stream, it's really this simple on January the 6th.

00:55:03.000 And this is the only course of action because the objections are going to fail.

00:55:08.000 There's not enough senators.

00:55:09.000 We've gone through the list word for person by person.

00:55:12.000 It's not going to work.

00:55:13.000 But Mike Pence listens to the objections, gets the results and the slate of electors for the six states that are in contention and say very clearly, neither candidate receives their electors because of the unconstitutional, fraudulent nature of the way this was conducted.

00:55:35.000 Let's listen to cut six, Fernie Sanders, who said this back in 2004.

00:55:40.000 But I agree with millions of American citizens that no American should have to wait four hours to cast a vote.

00:55:48.000 I agree with tens of millions of Americans who are very worried that when they cast the ballot on an electronic voting machine, that there is no paper trail to record that vote in the event of a recount.

00:56:05.000 I agree, Senator Sanders.

00:56:08.000 That's why you objected in 2004.

00:56:10.000 I think he objected.

00:56:11.000 I think he was a congressman at the time.

00:56:14.000 Anyway, I don't need to go into the political history of Bernie Sanders here on the short time we have remaining.

00:56:19.000 I could be on a different program when we study Soviet Russian history.

00:56:22.000 The essence is this.

00:56:25.000 Mike Pence decides as the president of the Senate, plenary, unilateral, total authority, unitary executive theory, not to count, goes to the House.

00:56:39.000 Once it goes to the House, Donald Trump should win.

00:56:42.000 A lot of you are emailing us, freedom at charliekirk.com, saying, Charlie, you make this so simple and so easy.

00:56:48.000 Why is this being so complicated?

00:56:50.000 It's because this is going to be the toughest fight.

00:56:52.000 The question is, are we ready for it?

00:56:55.000 Are we willing to put everything on the line to do this?

00:56:58.000 Or do we just want to roll over? 0.92

00:57:01.000 But I want to get into cut 16, which might be one of the dumbest things I have seen come out of the U.S. Congress in recent history.

00:57:10.000 This guy was asked to pray Representative Emmanuel Cleaver, right? 0.98

00:57:15.000 And he ended the prayer by saying, amen and a woman.

00:57:20.000 Play tape.

00:57:21.000 We ask it in the name of the monotheistic God, Brahma, and God known by many names by many different faiths.

00:57:30.000 Amen and a woman.

00:57:35.000 Did he pray to Brahman?

00:57:38.000 No, I think he prayed to Brahmin, didn't he?

00:57:41.000 Now, Brahman is a universalist principle.

00:57:47.000 He called it the monotheistic God.

00:57:50.000 Yeah, he sounds so incredibly intelligent.

00:57:52.000 But for those of you that missed it, let's play this tape again from the theologian, Representative Emmanuel Cleaver, who is tasked with praying in front of the House of Representatives.

00:58:04.000 Why anyone would give this guy stage time?

00:58:06.000 I mean, this is your government.

00:58:08.000 Play tape.

00:58:09.000 We ask it in the name of the monotheistic God, Brahmana, and God known by many names by many different faiths.

00:58:19.000 Amen and a woman.

00:58:22.000 Okay, there is so much there.

00:58:24.000 I could do an hour and a half podcast on that.

00:58:26.000 This guy in 17 seconds managed to make such a complete... 0.79

00:58:31.000 So this is what happens, by the way, if you allow that teenager and the communist to become a U.S. senator in Georgia, Warnock and Osoff. 0.52

00:58:44.000 People like this are going to be running the United States Senate.

00:58:47.000 You will be handing the keys to these radicals.

00:58:49.000 So he ended his, I guess that's called, was it a prayer?

00:58:53.000 Was that what he was doing?

00:58:55.000 I have heard a lot of prayers in my life from many people with different faith traditions.

00:58:59.000 I've never heard anyone say, I pray to the monotheistic God.

00:59:04.000 He did say Brahma, the Hindu God. 0.99

00:59:07.000 That's fine.

00:59:07.000 If you believe in that, I'm not going to attack.

00:59:09.000 It's just very bizarre.

00:59:11.000 And then he ended by saying amen and a woman, as if we, when we say amen, you do know it's a Latin phrase for so shall it be.

00:59:22.000 Not we're saying amen because we believe in some sort of fallow logocentric patriarchy system of Western oppression.

00:59:32.000 You see, this is how you know your society actually has less problems than the people who are professionally in charge of finding them.

00:59:44.000 How do you know this?

00:59:45.000 You have to spend your time as a House of Representative member ending a Latin prayer by all of a sudden saying a man and a woman.

00:59:57.000 That's not what it means. 0.98

01:00:00.000 Brahmin man. 1.00

01:00:02.000 Just making stuff up.

01:00:05.000 We did get a couple emails on this, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:00:08.000 And I did want to make sure I spent some time on it.

01:00:11.000 I'm going to have to kind of reflect further on the right way to dissect this.

01:00:15.000 It's such a sensory overload that this guy, the priest, Representative Emmanuel Cleaver, he's not a priest.

01:00:24.000 I'm saying that facetiously, who gave the prayer, he actually tweeted about it.

01:00:29.000 I was honored to deliver the prayer.

01:00:31.000 This is what he said.

01:00:31.000 I was honored to deliver the opening prayer for the 117th Congress.

01:00:37.000 May God bless each, every one of you, Representative of the Courage of Wisdom, defend our democracy and liberties we hold so dearly.

01:00:44.000 The tone and tenor of the left is to be confidently wrong about almost everything.

01:00:52.000 Remember, this is a party that booed God and removed God from their convention this summer and four summers ago.

01:01:00.000 So Representative Emmanuel Cleaver, congratulations. 1.00

01:01:03.000 You have said the stupidest thing I've heard this entire year. 1.00

01:01:06.000 Not saying much. 1.00

01:01:08.000 But actually, there have been some real gems.

01:01:11.000 I want to reinforce this point.

01:01:13.000 Pence has the power.

01:01:15.000 Until the Supreme Court rules in a different way, Pence has the power to deny the electors from the states in question, which would make that no one gets to the 270 electoral votes.

01:01:28.000 It goes to the House and they vote from there.

01:01:31.000 Will that happen?

01:01:32.000 I do not know, but it can happen.

01:01:35.000 The roadmap is very clear.

01:01:38.000 Is it a high threshold?

01:01:39.000 Yes.

01:01:40.000 Are the stakes high?

01:01:42.000 Absolutely.

01:01:43.000 But here are some questions that we have.

01:01:46.000 Why is John Barroso not objecting?

01:01:49.000 John Boozman, Richard Burr, Shelly Moor Capito, John Thune, Tom Tillis, Patrick Toomey, Dan Sullivan, Richard Shelby, Roger Wicker, Todd Young, Rob Portman, James Rich, Mitt Romney, good luck.

01:02:10.000 If anyone lives in Utah right now, please just run against him.

01:02:13.000 I don't care if you've never run for anything before.

01:02:16.000 I don't care if you're dog catcher and provo.

01:02:19.000 Just run.

01:02:19.000 Everyone run against him.

01:02:21.000 Find some way to do that.

01:02:22.000 I will personally go and support you.

01:02:26.000 Marco Rubio, I'm going to hold out some hope he might do something here.

01:02:31.000 Ben Sasse, no chance.

01:02:33.000 Rick Scott, Tim Scott.

01:02:36.000 Ted Cruz, thank you for coming out.

01:02:38.000 Steve Daines, amazing.

01:02:39.000 Mike Crapo, nowhere to be found.

01:02:41.000 Joni Ernst, really glad we all gave Joni all that support, right?

01:02:45.000 Against Teresa Greenfield.

01:02:47.000 MIA, nowhere to be found.

01:02:49.000 Deb Fisher, Bill Cassidy, Susan Collins, John Cornyn, Kevin Kramer, John Hubbin from North Dakota.

01:03:01.000 Sidney Hyde-Smith, nowhere to be found.

01:03:04.000 Lindsey Graham, remember when he was begging us for all that support because he was in a tough race?

01:03:09.000 Chuck Grassley, I hope he's going to actually object.

01:03:13.000 Let's go to cut 28 of Ted Cruz explaining how he thinks this is the election 1876 strongest precedent.

01:03:19.000 Ted Cruz, by the way, a dear friend, a good American.

01:03:24.000 God bless Ted Cruz playtape.

01:03:26.000 I think the strongest precedent is the presidential election of 1876, Hayes versus Tilden.

01:03:34.000 In that election, there were serious allegations of fraud in three different states: in Florida, in Louisiana, and in South Carolina.

01:03:44.000 And what did Congress do in 1876?

01:03:46.000 Now, they didn't throw up their hands and say, well, gosh, we've got allegations of fraud, but we can't do anything about it.

01:03:52.000 We just got to certify.

01:03:53.000 No, they didn't do that.

01:03:55.000 And Ted Cruz is the one that is leading the charge on this.

01:03:59.000 And Ted Cruz deserves a lot of credit for this.

01:04:02.000 I want to go back to the Mark Levin tape here, which is the one that we really liked.

01:04:06.000 We have like six Mark Levin.

01:04:08.000 The great one was really on fire this weekend.

01:04:10.000 I have to say, Mark Levin has been one of the best voices on this in a truly incredible way.

01:04:15.000 Let's play tape of the great one.

01:04:17.000 And I don't have to find one damn fraudulent ballot to make the point that what was done in Pennsylvania by the Biden campaign, by the DNC, by the state Democrats, and by their officials violated the federal constitution. 0.83

01:04:33.000 Period. 0.90

01:04:34.000 Whether there's fraudulent votes or not, and there are, and a lot.

01:04:38.000 But they violated the specific language of the federal constitution because they had a Republican legislature and they needed to go around them.

01:04:46.000 Do we have the next, the other one of Levin talking about the state legislatures?

01:04:50.000 Let's play that one, please.

01:04:52.000 Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, and we've talked about it here before, has been intentionally violated, eviscerated by the Democrat Party and the United States Supreme Court.

01:05:06.000 Each state shall appoint in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct.

01:05:11.000 Listen to this language.

01:05:13.000 It's black and white.

01:05:14.000 The legislature may direct a number of electors equal to the whole number of senators and representatives to which the state may be entitled in Congress.

01:05:25.000 And so it's very clear that even despite all of the fraud claims that have been mounting with significant amounts of credibility, Mike Pence has the power and I think has the moral authority to reject the electors from these states.

01:05:43.000 And some people say, well, he should award them to Trump.

01:05:46.000 I actually don't have that opinion.

01:05:47.000 I don't.

01:05:48.000 That would be in direct defiance to what the Electoral College has said.

01:05:52.000 Instead, you don't count them.

01:05:54.000 You see, it's a two-step process.

01:05:57.000 You have a check, you have a balance.

01:05:58.000 The check and the balance on the Electoral College is the president of the Senate not counting them.

01:06:03.000 Now, let me be very clear.

01:06:05.000 I don't like where we are at.

01:06:07.000 I've said this before.

01:06:08.000 I don't like the fact this is now going to be decided by U.S. senators and by House members.

01:06:14.000 Tough.

01:06:14.000 That's where we are.

01:06:15.000 The future of the Republic rests on it.

01:06:17.000 Let's play Cut 29 of Ted Cruz calling on Congress to follow his lead.

01:06:21.000 Cut 29.

01:06:23.000 They appointed a commission.

01:06:24.000 It was called an electoral commission.

01:06:26.000 It consisted of five House members, five senators, five Supreme Court justices.

01:06:31.000 They considered evidence.

01:06:32.000 They examined the ballots and they made a determination based upon what the disputed ballots and what the outcome should be.

01:06:39.000 What I'm arguing for is Congress ought to do the same thing.

01:06:42.000 We ought to have a fair inquiry, a fair audit into these results, and we ought to resolve these claims, not just dismiss them out of hand.

01:06:51.000 Thank you, Senator Ted Cruz, for leading so clearly on this.

01:06:54.000 And also, thank you, Senator Josh Hawley, for getting this whole party started.

01:06:58.000 I think that Senator Hawley started.

01:06:59.000 A lot of these other senators said, wait, hold on a second.

01:07:01.000 We kind of want to follow your example.

01:07:06.000 I want to reiterate this.

01:07:09.000 Mike Pence is the president of the Senate.

01:07:12.000 As the president of the Senate, he has the authority, the plenary power, to act in the discretion that he wishes.

01:07:21.000 If he does not do this, and I'm not saying it's an easy decision to make, I'm not saying that you won't be the most hated man in D.C. amongst the cartel of Washington and amongst the inner workings of our deepest state of government.

01:07:39.000 No doubt, people will hate you.

01:07:41.000 Get in line.

01:07:43.000 However, he has the power until the U.S. Supreme Court says differently, he has the absolute and complete power to reject electors from states that administered their elections unconstitutionally.

01:08:00.000 And maybe if this goes to the U.S. Supreme Court, maybe the Supreme Court can actually rule on these election results.

01:08:07.000 A lot of you have been emailing me here, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:08:10.000 Then why won't he do it?

01:08:11.000 I don't know.

01:08:12.000 And what can I do?

01:08:14.000 Reach out to every single U.S. senator, every single one of them that's a Republican, the ones that have voiced their support, do me a favor, thank them.

01:08:24.000 I mean that.

01:08:24.000 Go and thank Tubberville, Haggerty, Marshall, Lemmis, Braun, Blackburn, Kennedy, Daines, Langford, Hawley, Johnson, Cruz.

01:08:31.000 Go thank them.

01:08:32.000 I mean that.

01:08:34.000 And then go ask every other Republican why they haven't done the same and keep the pressure on.

01:08:45.000 And also, public displays of encouragement to the vice president, my friend, Mike Pence, to say you have the power and the moral obligation to reject these polluted votes.

01:09:07.000 The latest polls in Georgia, one shows Loeffler down two points to Warnock.

01:09:17.000 You want to know how to close the gap?

01:09:19.000 Come out and support on January 6th, Senator Loeffler, please.

01:09:26.000 Well, I'm still reviewing it.

01:09:27.000 What are you reviewing?

01:09:28.000 You know the election was stolen.

01:09:31.000 And we didn't get a chance to cover this during our live stream, but I do want to cover this in Georgia.

01:09:36.000 You want to lose the Georgia runoffs?

01:09:38.000 Then have your turncoat Secretary of State Raffensperger illegally record a phone call with the president of the United States.

01:09:44.000 You think that's going to help Laoffler and Purdue?

01:09:47.000 Purdue had the correct answer to this.

01:09:49.000 Cut 24.

01:09:50.000 Purdue knows he needs the Trump support.

01:09:53.000 Cut 24, David Purdue.

01:09:56.000 I don't think it's really going to affect our election.

01:09:58.000 I'm still shocked that a member of the Republican Party would tape a sitting president and then leak that.

01:10:03.000 It's disgusting, in my view.

01:10:04.000 But what the president said is exactly what he's been saying the last few months, and that is that, or the last two months anyway, we've had some irregularities in the election in November, and he wants some answers.

01:10:15.000 I mean, that's a better answer, quite honestly, than I expected from him, and that's fine.

01:10:20.000 It's not some irregularities, okay?

01:10:22.000 The entire election in your state was unconstitutional because of turncoat weak leaders like Brian Kemp and Rothensperger that care more about political power and political contributions than doing what is right for the people in their state.

01:10:36.000 People are asking, Charlie, what happens if we lose Georgia?

01:10:38.000 Say they cheat again as if the setup again, what then, David?

01:10:44.000 Well, that's up to Brad Rauffensperger and the Georgia Attorney General to prevent Stacey Abrams from cheating again.

01:10:51.000 Will that happen?

01:10:52.000 I don't know.

01:10:53.000 Should you go and vote if you're in the state of Georgia?

01:10:55.000 Yes.

01:10:56.000 Go vote and get your friends to do the same.

01:10:58.000 It is the moral thing to do.

01:11:00.000 It is never the right thing to go elect Democrats ever.

01:11:03.000 I'll close with this thought.

01:11:05.000 Pence has the power.

01:11:07.000 It's well within the Constitution.

01:11:09.000 Trump can serve another four years.

01:11:12.000 The question is: is there the will?

01:11:17.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:11:20.000 If you want to email us your questions, email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:11:23.000 If you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com.

01:11:27.000 And to support us, go to charliekirk.com/slash support.

01:11:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:11:32.000 God bless.

01:11:33.000 Speak to you soon.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 05, 2021

Trump's Path Forward and a Message to 'Boycott Republicans' in Georgia

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