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00:01:56.000So, Tom, I've had more people text me in the last few days than I can count all about your video, Trump's Virtues.
00:02:06.000Now, I want to play some of this tape and talk about it, but it's an incredible accomplishment where you talk about his virtues.
00:02:13.000And I have to, I'll be honest with you, Tom, I now use this with people because I'm constantly hearing about Trump's flaws or his shortcomings.
00:02:19.000And I say, Do you ever talk about his virtues?
00:02:22.000Before we get into it, Tom, tell us why you decided to write this piece and do this video.
00:02:27.000Because there are two related misconceptions, I think.
00:02:31.000The first is that a lot of people say, Well, I like Trump's policies, but I don't like the rest of him.
00:02:39.000Well, it's really the rest of him that matters.
00:02:43.000You know, he gets tens of thousands of people at his rallies, passionate.
00:02:48.000They don't come to listen to his trade policy or his immigration policy.
00:02:53.000They like those, but much more important is Trump himself, his character, his virtues.
00:03:01.000And included in those are his courage and independence and willingness to fight for his own people and his commitment to America and its culture.
00:03:14.000He thinks American culture is exceptional, and that's the way he wants to keep it.
00:03:22.000Now, the other sort of related audience is people who say, I like his policies, but I don't like the rest of him.
00:03:33.000And as I say, it's the rest of him that really matters, that one has to appreciate.
00:06:37.000So, Tom, one thing that I'm trying to figure out is that other politicians try to mimic Trump or copy Trump, but it typically doesn't work out for one way or the other.
00:06:50.000There's something unique about this man.
00:08:30.000Well, what the other side has been very successful at is playing on our white guilt.
00:08:38.000They tell us that we're systemically racist, and they count on us to agree, at least to some extent.
00:08:46.000You know, when I talked to Trump, I've only talked to him once, I told him he doesn't have any white guilt, and that's really important.
00:08:54.000You know, he hadn't really thought about it.
00:08:56.000Of course, he agreed with me, but he didn't understand the significance.
00:09:01.000And if I could say one more thing, Charlie, on this subject, which is very important, and which I hope, if there's one thing you come away from you, the viewer, on this interview, it is this.
00:09:34.000These are all designed in one way or another to destroy America.
00:09:40.000Obviously, brainwashing, intimidation, changing our language, those contribute.
00:09:48.000But I tell you the most important thing, and this is my major point, which is of all the weapons that the other side, what I call the woke radicals, employ, this charge of systemic racism is the most powerful.
00:10:08.000Because if we accept it, or if we don't fight strongly against it, then we will trade in our regime, the American regime, for their regime, the group quota regime, I call it.
00:10:25.000So that's, I think it's underappreciated.
00:10:29.000And by the way, Charles Murray wrote a book recently called Facing Reality.
00:10:36.000It's dropped out of view, but it's something that I think your readers, your readers, your viewers might read because Murray, unlike most people, understands the deadly nonsense, as I put it in that video, of the charge that we are systemically racist.
00:13:30.000Well, you can't go in two directions at once.
00:13:34.000It's kind of like, if I can use a simple analogy, if you or I are in New York and I want to go to Florida and you want to go to Maine, well, there's no compromise.
00:13:46.000If we both want to go to Maine, which is where I have a second home, it's my second favorite state, then we can negotiate.
00:13:57.000You know, we can decide when to leave and when the, you know, what route to take and when to stop for lunch.
00:14:03.000But ends cannot be negotiated, and that's what makes it a war.
00:17:45.000So when you look at towering figures, people that you're going to remember in subsequent generations, I think Trump is one of those.
00:17:55.000I think he's more towering, will change things more than Ronald Reagan or frankly anyone else in our lifetime.
00:18:07.000In our first hour of our program, we talked about how older whites are moving towards Biden, but young people and non-whites are moving to Trump.
00:18:15.000Is this a phenomenon that can outlive Trump?
00:18:18.000And are we seeing a total realignment of U.S. politics, in your opinion?
00:18:22.000You know, here's another one, Charlie, where I don't know the answer to that.
00:19:01.000I know you've talked about it before, but the capacity to have millions of fervent supporters is a political phenomenon, not just supporters, but they'll do anything for him.
00:19:10.000It's a phenomenon we have not seen for quite some time.
00:19:13.000And we're lucky to have his base, right?
00:19:16.000As you know, conservatives tend not to be revolutionaries.
00:21:56.000But this is a common ploy to project onto your opponents something that applies to you.
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00:25:49.000I'm hesitant to compare him to Lincoln.
00:25:51.000But remember, Lincoln was very unconventional, right?
00:25:56.000But it so happened he was just the man we needed at that moment when the country was in peril.
00:26:05.000And I think the same thing applies to Trump.
00:26:08.000I mean, I said that his appearance feels like it's providential.
00:26:15.000And I say that because he is so unconventional.
00:26:20.000How else do you explain his presence out of the blue?
00:26:24.000A game show host knows nothing about politics.
00:26:28.000And yet he's just the man we need at the moment.
00:26:34.000So if you were to try to build the ensemble to fight the woke radicals or the Marxists, I imagine the vice presidential selection is very important.
00:26:45.000It could be important to maintain the base and to build that sort of coalition.
00:26:50.000Do you have any thoughts there, Tom, of the form, not the name, but the form of what Trump should be thinking about as far as it comes to vice president?
00:27:29.000But if I were talking to him, I would tell him he has a duty to his country that comes above his own political aspirations for us, for the rest of us.
00:27:43.000I think he needs to consider this position.
00:27:47.000You know, whether Trump would appoint him, I have no idea.
00:27:53.000But we need a Trump, a MAGA Republican.
00:27:57.000We don't need a Nikki Haley Republican.
00:28:02.000And I tell you the other person that at least is worthy of consideration, and that's Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:28:10.000If I were recommending to Trump, perhaps I wouldn't recommend Vivek as a vice president, but I would recommend Trump as the anti-administrative state czar.
00:28:25.000His portfolio would be to cut the administrative state in half.
00:28:32.000And, you know, with help, Vivek could do that.
00:28:38.000You did a long interview with Vivek when he was running for president, and you said he had some of the most focused, clear answers about understanding what time it is.
00:28:49.000You know, Charlie, I'm getting old and I forget the interview, but I know Vivek, and he was the one person who understood we are in a war, and he said it, and he said it over and over.
00:29:03.000I supported Vivek financially, not because I thought he would win.
00:29:09.000We knew he wouldn't, but I was hoping that he would inject into the public discussion important ideas like we're in a war and describing the war.
00:31:13.000And in fact, I have always said that people hate Trump not because of the alleged lies that he tells, but because of how clearly he states truths you aren't allowed to mention, calling the news media fake, questioning our involvement in foreign wars, saying that our DC political class is corrupt to the core.
00:33:13.000Look at all the events that are happening, whether it's the border or climate alarmism, brainwashing, intimidation.
00:33:23.000These are all part of the same effort to overturn the American way of life.
00:33:30.000And the most important weapon they have, the biggest, is convincing us that we are systemically racist.
00:33:41.000As I said before, if they convince us, or if we don't fight back, then we will trade in our regime for theirs.
00:33:51.000I mean, after all, if the regime is evil, why would we want to keep it?
00:33:56.000So if, and I'm repeating myself here too, if there's one thing I want your audience to remember about this interview is just how important this weapon of theirs, the weapon being the accusation that America is systemically racist.
00:34:29.000And one of the ways to answer it the way I answer it is, and again, repeating myself, we're in a war where the choice is not between slavery or non-slavery.
00:34:46.000Today's choice is between group quotas and merit.
00:34:51.000And most every American, or certainly a large percent, will choose merit and understands that American culture is built on hard work, perseverance, merit, not just brains.