The Charlie Kirk Show - Trump Sues EVERYONE, Durham, Bill Barr, and More—Unfiltered with Kash Patel

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00:00:03.000 Just my conversation with Kash Patel.

00:00:05.000 We go through Trump's new lawsuit.

00:00:07.000 We go through what John Durham is doing. 1.00

00:00:09.000 We go through biolabs in Ukraine. 0.95

00:00:12.000 We go through James O'Keefe.

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00:00:54.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:26.000 With us right now is Kash Patel.

00:01:29.000 Website is fightwithcash.com.

00:01:30.000 He has several lawsuits that he is engaged in against all the worst people on the planet.

00:01:35.000 We'll talk about that.

00:01:36.000 You're a former federal prosecutor.

00:01:38.000 You understand how this whole world works.

00:01:39.000 I want to ask your thoughts on the news yesterday.

00:01:42.000 We didn't touch on this at all.

00:01:43.000 Donald Trump filed a lawsuit yesterday.

00:01:45.000 Yeah, and it's probably, hopefully he's not listening.

00:01:48.000 It's his best one yet.

00:01:49.000 No.

00:01:49.000 Is that right?

00:01:50.000 I think so.

00:01:50.000 It's the most conclusive, comprehensive lawsuit.

00:01:53.000 It's basically if you took the Russiagate investigation, which Devin and I ran and looked at it from a criminal perspective, what Donald Trump has done is said, okay, how do I encompass everyone from Comey, Clinton, Clapper, Brennan, and all the whole DNC crew on down?

00:02:07.000 How do I get them civilly in federal court?

00:02:09.000 And the way you do it is you utilize this thing called RICO, racketeering enforcement and corrupt organizations.

00:02:14.000 We used to prosecute gangs under RICO lawsuits criminals.

00:02:18.000 But what most people don't realize is RICO also has a civil function.

00:02:22.000 So what he did was he took the RICO statute, which is permissible under by law, and said, these guys orchestrated the largest criminal enterprise in U.S. history, but I'm suing them on my civil side of the house for, I don't know, $75 million.

00:02:36.000 The whole point, right, is to get to discovery.

00:02:38.000 Yes.

00:02:39.000 Well, then also civil can lead to criminal.

00:02:41.000 Absolutely.

00:02:42.000 It can.

00:02:43.000 But I think John Durham's got that covered.

00:02:44.000 We could talk about that later.

00:02:45.000 But I think what the president wanted to focus on was finally say, I'm not going after onesies and twosies here.

00:02:52.000 I'm bringing everybody in, one federal lawsuit.

00:02:55.000 Everybody's got to go to the table as a different.

00:02:56.000 So just being objective, do you think this has a chance of walk us through why? 1.00

00:03:01.000 Because I mean, we've just kind of been so used to being synagogued.

00:03:04.000 And, you know, we've been, you know, we talk about how hard it is for defamation and when you get deplatformed and all that.

00:03:04.000 Sure.

00:03:09.000 This is totally different animal.

00:03:11.000 What he did was figure out a way with his team of lawyers to say, okay, how can we encompass everybody?

00:03:17.000 And the only real way to do that is RICO.

00:03:19.000 But is there a way to hold them accountable under that statute civilly?

00:03:23.000 RICO permits that both monetarily with judgments north of $100 million, which he doesn't really care about.

00:03:29.000 But if you find them at fault, the discovery process along the way is what's critical because they're going to have to come in and say, no, Mr. President, we did not violate the RICO statute.

00:03:41.000 We did not enter into an organized conspiracy against you to prevent you from being president.

00:03:46.000 And then while you were president, we did not go up and illegally surveil you.

00:03:50.000 And oh, by the way, the great thing is, how are they going to get around that?

00:03:53.000 There's an inspector general report that says exactly what they did.

00:03:57.000 And that's what Donald Trump brought civilly.

00:03:59.000 And there's also Department of Justice filings, the revocation of the FISA warrants against Carter Page.

00:04:04.000 How are they going to get around that?

00:04:05.000 These are judicial rulings in place and concrete memorandum under oath that they can't dodge.

00:04:11.000 So what's the threshold you have to reach in the RICO civil case?

00:04:15.000 Yeah.

00:04:15.000 So criminal, beyond a reasonable doubt, pretty high standard, right?

00:04:19.000 Civil cases, every civil case is this thing called a preponderance of the evidence, 51% to 49%.

00:04:25.000 That's it.

00:04:26.000 That's all you need in front of a jury.

00:04:27.000 Not it had to have happened.

00:04:29.000 It must have happened.

00:04:29.000 It should have happened.

00:04:31.000 Did it maybe happen just more than it didn't?

00:04:34.000 So, I mean, that's overwhelming in this case.

00:04:37.000 We already know it happened.

00:04:38.000 And that's what, and I think just the text messages from Strzok and Page alone, right?

00:04:42.000 I think, and to answer your question earlier, that's why I think it's so strong because everything's already been founded.

00:04:48.000 And it hasn't been founded by him, Donald Trump, the pleading client, the plaintiff.

00:04:52.000 It's been founded by the government.

00:04:53.000 It's been founded by congressional agencies.

00:04:56.000 There's zillions of under-oath testimony from the likes of Comey and company.

00:05:00.000 And there's all these TV and media statements.

00:05:02.000 And now we have indictments from Durham.

00:05:04.000 So it's already out there.

00:05:06.000 Where is he filing the lawsuit?

00:05:07.000 The Southern District of Florida.

00:05:09.000 Is that a favorable, like more than SDNY, I guess, or Southern District of New York?

00:05:14.000 Yeah, I know you and James were just talking about the Sovereign District.

00:05:17.000 I think it's a pretty good district.

00:05:19.000 And look, I'm biased.

00:05:20.000 I was, I practiced as a public defender in the Southern District of Florida for eight years.

00:05:24.000 So I appeared before every judge down there.

00:05:26.000 And I think they give you a fair shake for the large part.

00:05:29.000 And also, he's based out of Florida, so it kind of makes sense.

00:05:32.000 And so this is going to progress.

00:05:34.000 Now, does every one of the defendants have to now defend themselves or can they have a combined defense?

00:05:39.000 That's a great question.

00:05:40.000 So what they can do is enter into this thing called the JDA, a joint defense agreement.

00:05:44.000 So you have to get basically like 20 lawyers together to agree on something, which is probably unlikely.

00:05:50.000 Well, and the Clintons are going to be looking out for themselves, right?

00:05:53.000 And so there might be some trouble in paradise with all these characters.

00:05:57.000 No, you're totally right.

00:05:58.000 And it's not like they have, you know, the Mickey Mouse operation defending them.

00:06:02.000 James Comey, Hillary Clinton have the mega law firms defending them.

00:06:05.000 So does Steele.

00:06:06.000 So does Strzok.

00:06:07.000 So does Page.

00:06:08.000 So does Bruce Orr.

00:06:09.000 So does Fusion GPS.

00:06:10.000 These people, you can't get these people in one room together to agree on anything.

00:06:13.000 Their lawyers are never going to agree on anything.

00:06:15.000 So what you'll probably see is lower level defendants start copying to agreements, settlements outside just to pull themselves out of this thing.

00:06:23.000 So there's 47, 48 people in this lawsuit.

00:06:26.000 Can we go through all of that?

00:06:27.000 Yeah, let's look at it.

00:06:27.000 So I got to find this here.

00:06:29.000 Hold on.

00:06:31.000 It's at the Washington Post, which is behind a paywall.

00:06:33.000 I refuse to give them my money.

00:06:35.000 There is Justin News has it up.

00:06:37.000 Do they?

00:06:37.000 Okay, well, let's go.

00:06:38.000 So while I do that, so tell us, so they're going to have to have like 48 different, if they do a JDA.

00:06:44.000 If not, all of them are going to have to defend themselves if a judge doesn't throw this out effectively.

00:06:48.000 Is that right?

00:06:49.000 And you have to kind of picture this.

00:06:50.000 Federal courts are nice and big and whatnot.

00:06:53.000 And I used to do a lot of cartel cases, defending a lot of cartel cases where you'd have 30, 40 defendants.

00:06:59.000 Try putting all of them in one courtroom with all of their 50 lawyers apiece, plus all of the media.

00:07:05.000 But this is going to take forever, though, right?

00:07:07.000 I mean, this is like a 10-year deal.

00:07:08.000 Well, here's the thing, right?

00:07:10.000 And I think this is the motive here.

00:07:12.000 This is the play.

00:07:13.000 Yes, you want to reach a judgment at the end of the day, but what you want to do is just get to discovery.

00:07:18.000 You can get to discovery inside of a year.

00:07:20.000 All right.

00:07:21.000 So here's the list.

00:07:22.000 All right.

00:07:23.000 All right.

00:07:24.000 Here we go.

00:07:24.000 Hillary R. Clinton.

00:07:26.000 He just had to lead with her first.

00:07:29.000 HFACC Inc., that's Hillary Clinton for America, probably incorporated.

00:07:34.000 The Democrat National Committee, the Democrat Services Corporation.

00:07:38.000 He's Perkins Cooey.

00:07:39.000 He's sealing a law firm.

00:07:40.000 It's great.

00:07:40.000 That's hilarious.

00:07:41.000 Michael Sussman.

00:07:42.000 Who's that again?

00:07:43.000 The guy that was indicted by Special Counsel John Durham.

00:07:45.000 Mark Elias.

00:07:47.000 His co-partner.

00:07:48.000 Keep him busy.

00:07:48.000 Debbie Wassaman Schultz.

00:07:51.000 Charles Halliday Dolan Jr., Jake Sullivan, who's in a current National Security.

00:07:56.000 John Podesta.

00:07:57.000 Haven't heard a lot about him lately.

00:07:59.000 Uh, Robbie Mook, Philippe Rhines, I don't know who that is, Hillary Clinton spokesperson.

00:08:04.000 Okay, yeah, Fusion GPS.

00:08:06.000 Oh, we know them.

00:08:07.000 Glenn Simpson, Peter Freisch, Nellie Orr, and Bruce Orr.

00:08:11.000 Remind our audience what they were FBI.

00:08:14.000 Yeah, right.

00:08:14.000 So, Bruce Orr was one of the senior most attorneys at the Department of Justice.

00:08:18.000 His wife worked for the wife actually worked to collect and got paid by Fusion GPS to get dirt, false dirt on President Trump while Bruce Orr was the number four lawyer at the Justice Department.

00:08:29.000 And then, when they shut down Steele, do you know what Bruce Orr did?

00:08:32.000 He acted as a cutout for the FBI to source that information in.

00:08:36.000 Then, Orbis Business Intelligence Limited?

00:08:38.000 Christopher Steele's company.

00:08:40.000 I'm sure there's some documents there.

00:08:42.000 Christopher Steele, Igor Danchenko.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, another guy who was criminally indicted by Durham.

00:08:48.000 Newstart Incorporated.

00:08:51.000 Rodney Joffey, who's that?

00:08:52.000 He's a tech guy that we've been talking about in the last two indictments by John Durham.

00:08:56.000 The guy who went to the- Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:57.000 The back end access to the White House.

00:09:00.000 This is going to get interesting.

00:09:01.000 James Comey.

00:09:03.000 We might have heard that.

00:09:03.000 We know that name.

00:09:04.000 Peter Struckshook, Smirk.

00:09:06.000 The lover, Lisa Page.

00:09:08.000 Kevin Klein Smith, who's also been indicted, right?

00:09:10.000 Convicted, too.

00:09:11.000 Oh, that's right. 1.00

00:09:12.000 He's a bad Catholic community service. 1.00

00:09:13.000 Oh, right. 1.00

00:09:13.000 Well, of course. 1.00

00:09:14.000 Yeah.

00:09:14.000 Andy McCabe.

00:09:16.000 And then John Doe 1 through 10.

00:09:18.000 What is all that?

00:09:18.000 I don't understand what that means.

00:09:19.000 There's certain people you can't identify publicly yet when you bring these types of cases to protect certain people's identities or something.

00:09:25.000 How can you sue someone without an identity?

00:09:27.000 Because the guy, the plaintiff, knows who it is.

00:09:30.000 So they're able to serve them.

00:09:32.000 There's certain equities you have to balance sometimes if it's a sensitive case or something.

00:09:36.000 So Trump knows who it is.

00:09:37.000 Yeah.

00:09:38.000 Okay, but he doesn't want to.

00:09:39.000 Not yet.

00:09:40.000 It'll come out.

00:09:41.000 Is that going to be interesting, you think?

00:09:42.000 I think so.

00:09:43.000 Because some of them might be sources.

00:09:44.000 Some of them could be things like...

00:09:46.000 Why would you sue a source?

00:09:47.000 Because they're responsible for digging up all the false dirt on you.

00:09:50.000 And who has the information?

00:09:51.000 It's follow the money.

00:09:52.000 You got paid by someone.

00:09:53.000 So this is a big boy lawsuit.

00:09:55.000 No, this is the major leagues.

00:09:57.000 And so you're a former federal prosecutor.

00:10:00.000 You've done some amazing things, worked in the Trump White House.

00:10:03.000 Is it written pretty compellingly?

00:10:05.000 Yeah.

00:10:06.000 And I encourage your audience.

00:10:07.000 Normally, federal pleadings put you to sleep.

00:10:10.000 The intro to this federal pleading, or just read the first three to four pages, is awesome.

00:10:14.000 It is extremely well done, factually accurate, and it just hits every sentence hard.

00:10:19.000 It's be really interesting.

00:10:20.000 Kash Patel, fightwithcash.com.

00:10:23.000 Also, you have a show with the Epoch Times?

00:10:25.000 Yeah, Cash's Corner once a week, every Friday night.

00:10:27.000 And we talk national security defense intelligence.

00:10:29.000 And right now, if you go to Truth Social and find me at Cash, there's a 14-day free subscription so you can binge watch the last four seasons.

00:10:36.000 Truth is going well, I hear, right?

00:10:38.000 Truth is going really well.

00:10:39.000 Look, you're talking to a guy who's a novice.

00:10:41.000 I have never been on social media.

00:10:42.000 Then my former boss decided to start TMTG.

00:10:45.000 Then my former, former boss became the CEO of TMTG.

00:10:48.000 And then they said.

00:10:49.000 You see Devin Ninez and Trump.

00:10:51.000 Yeah.

00:10:52.000 And they were like, I think you need to be involved.

00:10:53.000 And I was like, I don't understand how social media works.

00:10:55.000 But it's pretty simple.

00:10:56.000 It's pretty simple.

00:10:57.000 And the engagement cycle on it is impressive.

00:10:59.000 Yeah, we're seeing huge engagement.

00:11:01.000 I'm banned from Twitter.

00:11:03.000 Screw Tritter. 0.93

00:11:04.000 We're going right to Truth Social.

00:11:05.000 Let's do it.

00:11:06.000 So I want to ask you about a couple pointed questions here.

00:11:09.000 If you can't answer them, it's fine.

00:11:10.000 But do your best, please.

00:11:12.000 What's the truth of the biolab thing in Ukraine? 0.93

00:11:15.000 Oh, I can guess because I haven't had access to that type of intelligence in a long time.

00:11:19.000 So tell us, like, because I'm told it's Russian disinformation, or is it, I mean, was the United States actively involved in bio laboratories in Ukraine?

00:11:27.000 So I don't know the answer to that definitively because I haven't looked at the Intel in over, what, a year and a half now, right?

00:11:32.000 But back when I was deputy director of National Intel under Rick Rinnell, we would do these things called presidential daily briefings.

00:11:37.000 We would take the most sensitive information and prioritize it and present it to the president because he would need to make decisions based on that along with his entire cabinet.

00:11:45.000 So this would be one of those things.

00:11:47.000 If you recall, Rick and I, at the time, we couldn't say it publicly in late February of 2020, we went to the president and said the China virus came from the Wuhan lab, right?

00:11:57.000 And every, and what did President Trump do?

00:11:59.000 Shut down travel from China.

00:12:00.000 He was labeled a, you know, racist, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever.

00:12:04.000 And then a year later, it finally came out that that's what happened, but the fake news media came in in the interim and said, you guys are lying.

00:12:11.000 There's no way and leaked all sorts of classified information. 0.58

00:12:13.000 The Russians are pros at disinformation. 0.55

00:12:16.000 So if they wanted to seed some sort of narrative into this cycle, the war that they're in, to say U.S. is funding Ukraine biolabs, they could do it. 0.98

00:12:26.000 They could be very successful at it. 0.67

00:12:28.000 And we wouldn't be able to figure it out with this administration's leadership because they're just not focused on things like countering those types of narratives.

00:12:35.000 Right.

00:12:36.000 So Victoria Newland comes out.

00:12:36.000 Yeah.

00:12:37.000 She says there's these bio labs.

00:12:39.000 I mean, I just don't trust our current government when it comes to this.

00:12:41.000 So I just don't, especially after Wuhan and gain of function research and all of that.

00:12:47.000 So how should we look at the Russian-Ukrainian situation?

00:12:50.000 It's hard to, I mean, I spent some time the other day because we haven't talked about it in a while just because there's so much other stuff going on here.

00:12:58.000 And it's really kind of hard to make sense of really what's happening on the ground.

00:13:03.000 It's almost impossible, literally, because you don't know what if you turn on to News Channel A versus News Channel B, two opposing storylines are coming out about the same topic.

00:13:12.000 So who are you going to believe?

00:13:13.000 You're going to believe most Americans the political narrative they want to believe, which I think hurts American national security.

00:13:19.000 It's the ultimate polication of our defense apparatus thanks to Joe Biden and the leadership he's put in place.

00:13:24.000 So if you listen to shows like yours, you actually have a chance at getting to the truth because you guys don't care about the outside rhetoric.

00:13:32.000 Your audience just wants to know what happened and how do I get it?

00:13:35.000 And I think that's why a lot of the cable news networks are failing.

00:13:39.000 So what really is happening on the ground?

00:13:42.000 I mean, people say Ukraine is winning.

00:13:43.000 Then Tulsi Gabbard says there's no way Ukraine can win this war.

00:13:46.000 I mean, it's hard to kind of, you know, separate the, you know what I mean?

00:13:50.000 Like, I mean, you have more expertise in this than I do.

00:13:52.000 So look, as Trump's chief of staff for the Department of Defense, right, we ended a couple of wars very successfully.

00:13:58.000 And launching a war is a whole another animal.

00:14:01.000 And this is what President Putin has done.

00:14:03.000 So in the middle of that process, it is almost impossible to get actual intel out, especially on a live 24-7 news cycle basis.

00:14:11.000 What I do think is everybody underestimated the Ukraine's ability to defend themselves, including America.

00:14:18.000 And they're doing well.

00:14:19.000 Are they winning?

00:14:20.000 Unlikely.

00:14:20.000 But what needs to happen to end this war is what needs to happen to end all conflicts.

00:14:24.000 You need diplomatic engagements along with kinetic force operations, which is what Zelensky's doing to try to get the sides to agree to take in the knee, basically.

00:14:36.000 But here's the other thing.

00:14:37.000 Here's the problem with that, right?

00:14:39.000 Putin doesn't care.

00:14:40.000 He doesn't care about Joe Biden.

00:14:41.000 He doesn't care about the Western allies.

00:14:42.000 He's not afraid of anyone.

00:14:43.000 And he's going to keep going because he has money.

00:14:45.000 He's got China backing him.

00:14:46.000 He's now got Iran in his pocket. 0.69

00:14:48.000 And so he doesn't care about the soldiers that die on his watch. 0.85

00:14:51.000 He just wants land and he wants to be in charge forever.

00:14:54.000 Got it.

00:14:54.000 And so, yeah, just it's so murky and it's really kind of hard to make sense of this.

00:14:58.000 And the stakes are so unbelievably high.

00:15:00.000 And I don't trust any of the actors at all that are engaged in this.

00:15:04.000 It's really disappointing.

00:15:06.000 You have a great legal mind and a political mind as well.

00:15:09.000 So I want to kind of bounce around a couple topics I just have when it comes.

00:15:12.000 So I want to first start with the James O'Keefe story.

00:15:15.000 I think you might have heard a little bit about this.

00:15:17.000 For sure.

00:15:18.000 I was really pushing James to understand part of this.

00:15:21.000 So you were a former federal prosecutor.

00:15:23.000 How unusual is it to send a private warrant and then a gag order to a company?

00:15:28.000 Is that a usual practice?

00:15:30.000 So I was a terrorism prosecutor for a while and we did a lot of these types of national security high-profile cases that we had to keep certain things under wraps.

00:15:37.000 But terrorism.

00:15:37.000 Yeah.

00:15:38.000 So that's exactly the difference.

00:15:40.000 James O'Keefe and then terrorist, right?

00:15:42.000 So that's exactly the difference.

00:15:44.000 And we would go to certain providers in extreme cases to be like, we just got to keep this hush hush.

00:15:49.000 And we would always get the judges say so.

00:15:52.000 You know, you can't just unilaterally like run amok with the DOJ.

00:15:55.000 So are these warrants or subpoenas?

00:15:58.000 Because a subpoena does not require a judge oversight.

00:16:01.000 Is that correct?

00:16:02.000 So we're going to get into the weeds a little bit here.

00:16:04.000 Okay.

00:16:04.000 So there's subpoenas that you got to go before you can get a grand jury subpoena.

00:16:08.000 You can go to an Article 3 judge and get a subpoena for whatever homes and subscribers.

00:16:11.000 So can't an FBI agent just print out a piece of paper as a subpoena, like I need your emails or something?

00:16:16.000 So there's national security letters, right?

00:16:18.000 The FBI has certain authorities under the law that don't need a requirement of going to a federal judge.

00:16:23.000 They can just say this issue is of a national security concern.

00:16:26.000 We want to go get the data, the call logs, the call text messages and all that stuff from companies X, Y, and Z while we investigate this matter.

00:16:33.000 That they can do that.

00:16:34.000 If they did that in James O'Keefe's case, again, comparing terrorism to James O'Keefe, right?

00:16:40.000 Someone they just don't like who's an American civilian, would be outrageous and also, I think, unconstitutional.

00:16:47.000 And so, I mean, then they also did it to Uber as well.

00:16:50.000 I mean, what sort of evidence do you have to have to get that sort of a gag order?

00:16:54.000 I mean, or did they just rubber stamp it, basically?

00:16:58.000 You just need basically a good faith reason to say, if we don't have this, then we're going to jeopardize the investigation that we currently have and it could harm national security.

00:17:08.000 Now, when I was doing that, that actually meant something.

00:17:10.000 Even in terrorism cases, we would get shot down because the judge was like, no, you didn't meet the threshold.

00:17:15.000 So I can't imagine in a case like James O'Keefe or anyone else that the FBI is looking at because they don't like what he's doing professionally.

00:17:22.000 Nothing's unlawful.

00:17:23.000 They just don't like James O'Keefe and Project Veritas.

00:17:25.000 That's unlawful.

00:17:26.000 Go after somebody because you don't like what they do.

00:17:28.000 So I want to shift gears here.

00:17:30.000 We actually haven't touched on this topic, which is Bill Barr is now on a kind of media circuit.

00:17:36.000 So this is all around kind of the Hunter Biden laptop, whether or not it was real or not, direct election interference.

00:17:43.000 And so Bill Barr was asked about this, I think, on Fox News.

00:17:47.000 Let's play Cut 31.

00:17:50.000 And I was shocked by that.

00:17:52.000 And fortunately, the DNI came out and said, no, it's not disinformation.

00:17:57.000 The FBI said the same thing.

00:17:59.000 Media ignored it.

00:18:01.000 So when you're talking about interference in an election, I can't think of anything more than that.

00:18:08.000 Knowing what you know of the case, do you think that there is any legal liability for the president here?

00:18:13.000 Perhaps not while he's in office.

00:18:15.000 I wouldn't want to venture an opinion on that.

00:18:17.000 I think the way he answered it is an answer, I think, in and of itself.

00:18:21.000 So, but do you think Bill Barr did what was necessary to make sure that people knew this laptop was real?

00:18:29.000 Or do you think he just handled it?

00:18:32.000 What do you think?

00:18:33.000 No.

00:18:33.000 I don't think he did enough at all.

00:18:35.000 And I worked with Bill Barr, you know, at multiple different locations when I was running the intelligence community or back to the White House running counterterrorism or helping Johnny Rack with the director of national intelligence, who he referenced in this case.

00:18:47.000 The number one law enforcement officer on planet Earth is the attorney general.

00:18:50.000 Is he literally going around on a book tour and saying, I didn't really know what was going on?

00:18:55.000 He's pedaling a book.

00:18:56.000 I don't know.

00:18:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:57.000 He just came out with his book where he corrected me, where he takes me out.

00:19:01.000 Oh, is that right?

00:19:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:02.000 Why?

00:19:04.000 He said he thought President Trump's idea to make me the deputy director of the FBI showed a detachment from reality because I didn't have the experience, except the fact that he became attorney general at 37.

00:19:16.000 Let's put that aside.

00:19:17.000 And you're a former federal prosecutor.

00:19:19.000 And a public defender and an intelligence official and a terrorism official.

00:19:23.000 That sounds so racist.

00:19:24.000 I mean, kidding.

00:19:26.000 Of course.

00:19:27.000 No, but I.

00:19:29.000 So Bill Barr comes after you in that way.

00:19:31.000 Anything else?

00:19:32.000 Or is it just kind of a one-off comment?

00:19:33.000 Oh, no.

00:19:34.000 He comes after Trump.

00:19:35.000 He comes after a lot of people.

00:19:36.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 And now he's going around doing this book tour on every fake news media channel, including, and then unfortunately, Fox News is giving him airtime.

00:19:44.000 Instead, when we were working on matters like this, what should have happened is Bill Barr should have taken a more proactive approach on a Hunter Biden laptop, on a Russia Gate investigation.

00:19:55.000 We had to force these matters into the Department of Justice and show them over and over and over again before he would act.

00:20:00.000 So, but here's an open-air concern.

00:20:02.000 You and I are both friends of the president, President Trump.

00:20:05.000 We're both in his orbit and we both want to see him win again.

00:20:09.000 But it seems like personnel was just a problem.

00:20:12.000 Can you speak to that at all?

00:20:14.000 100%.

00:20:14.000 Yeah.

00:20:15.000 We did not have the right personnel from Jump.

00:20:18.000 And it crippled the presidency along with the Russia Gate hoax for at least the first two to three years of his presidency.

00:20:22.000 And that's basically all of it.

00:20:25.000 We kept, or the group in charge at whatever time kept picking the wrong people.

00:20:30.000 We finally started to get it right with the likes of Rick Renell and Johnny Ratcliffe and all those guys we started putting in place.

00:20:38.000 But we have the bench.

00:20:39.000 You know this.

00:20:39.000 We have the bench.

00:20:40.000 We just didn't pick the right people.

00:20:42.000 Why weren't they picked?

00:20:43.000 Because in this White House, there was too many competing political interests.

00:20:47.000 And people, for example, right?

00:20:50.000 Devin and I were the outside guys.

00:20:53.000 Cowboys coming in with this Russia Gate stuff.

00:20:55.000 And back when Trump got elected, almost the entire Republican Party didn't even believe us, right? 0.51

00:21:00.000 So when we would come in and say, no, we're right.

00:21:02.000 And here's the evidence.

00:21:03.000 And these guys should be your FBI director, your CIA director, your NSA director, they'd be like, we're not going to listen to you.

00:21:09.000 We're going to listen to the rhinos and the lofty nobility of the Republican establishment and put those people in.

00:21:15.000 Remember, we got Chris Christie.

00:21:16.000 Chris Christie gave us Chris Ray as FBI director. 0.50

00:21:20.000 You know, we got Rod Rosenstein from the crew of rhinos out there that he's the worst deputy attorney general and basically acting attorney general.

00:21:27.000 Because Sessions recused himself.

00:21:29.000 Right.

00:21:29.000 So these are just examples.

00:21:30.000 Those are guys that should never have even been on the list, but they were because these political powerhouses got their hands into the presidential.

00:21:38.000 So you think second term, one of the things has to be kind of a promise that Trump is going to make different personnel choices.

00:21:47.000 And I guarantee you, if Trump was sitting right here, he would agree with us.

00:21:50.000 I mean, Mark Milley, he has nothing but bad things to say about him.

00:21:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:21:53.000 Like I give the list.

00:21:54.000 I think Trump agrees with us.

00:21:56.000 I suppose that if there is a second term, one of the concerns his voters are going to have, the only concern I think they'll have is not, are you going to do what you say you're going to do, but are you going to put the people in place to be able to do what you say you're going to do?

00:22:07.000 Yeah.

00:22:08.000 And you know how you solve that?

00:22:09.000 You build the book now.

00:22:10.000 And I believe that that's in process and that's going.

00:22:12.000 And then not only do you build the book now of who we're going to put in the cabinet and deputies and undersecretaries, but then you make announcements on the campaign trail.

00:22:20.000 If I win, this person's going to be head of FBI.

00:22:22.000 This person's going to take CIA.

00:22:23.000 This person's going to DOD.

00:22:24.000 Show the voters that that is the individual you have identified to lead your cabinet.

00:22:28.000 I think that's terrific.

00:22:29.000 And that's what he should do.

00:22:30.000 The same way he did the Supreme Court picks, basically.

00:22:33.000 Yeah.

00:22:33.000 So when I travel the country, I talk to the grassroots.

00:22:36.000 The only thing people complain about with the Trump presidency is the personnel.

00:22:41.000 And I was in it.

00:22:42.000 And you want to know what's sad?

00:22:43.000 So that's not an unfounded criticism.

00:22:46.000 Totally.

00:22:46.000 And you want to know what's sad?

00:22:48.000 I fought the personnel within the Trump presidency as much as I fought the personnel outside.

00:22:53.000 No, I totally agree with that.

00:22:54.000 And I have my own personal stories that I won't share of battles that I had.

00:22:57.000 And I wasn't in the white.

00:22:58.000 I mean, I did plenty of things, hopefully for the betterment of the country, most of which didn't actually materialize.

00:23:04.000 But boy, there are plenty of battles, tons of battles.

00:23:07.000 Okay, I want to get to this, the Hunter Biden laptop story.

00:23:11.000 Yeah.

00:23:13.000 Just tell us your thoughts on where this all kind of stands right now.

00:23:17.000 So from my best understanding, there is an open, active criminal investigation by a United States attorney in the Department of Justice against this.

00:23:24.000 Now, what should have happened is when the New York Post and all these other companies broke the story as true and accurate, there should have been an immediate exploitation of that entire laptop and its contents by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

00:23:37.000 What happened was the continued politicization of the national security apparatus.

00:23:40.000 Hunter Biden, we can't touch him.

00:23:41.000 He's not Don Jr.

00:23:42.000 We can't make up stories about him, even though it looks like Hunter Biden is actually a criminal.

00:23:47.000 Let's bury this thing.

00:23:49.000 Let's not let it out during a presidential election cycle, thanks to the fake news media.

00:23:53.000 And oh, by the way, all these people, remember the 51 intelligence officials, Brennan, Comey, Clapper, all these classes.

00:23:59.000 That was one of the most fraudulent acts ever.

00:24:02.000 Ever.

00:24:02.000 During a presidential election cycle, they knew it.

00:24:05.000 And Politico was co-conspirators in that.

00:24:09.000 Oh, Politico, everybody, not just Politico.

00:24:11.000 Well, it was the Politico.

00:24:13.000 We did a whole show on this.

00:24:14.000 And you're right.

00:24:15.000 They all were.

00:24:16.000 But the first headline to be the most deceiving was Politico.

00:24:19.000 Okay.

00:24:19.000 Just the way they wrote it.

00:24:20.000 And as you know, it just kind of started that funnel.

00:24:23.000 And everyone then rewrote the political art.

00:24:25.000 Then you're right.

00:24:26.000 That's all they need.

00:24:26.000 They need a headline to the point.

00:24:27.000 It was Politico said, laptop is Russian disinformation, comma, 50 Intel agents former.

00:24:34.000 It said the way they wrote it.

00:24:35.000 You're right.

00:24:35.000 It was like so clickbaity, like it captured the top of funnel.

00:24:38.000 And you can't tell me, Charlie, and I know you agree with me that that didn't change voters' minds in the middle.

00:24:44.000 No, then Biden quoted it in the debates.

00:24:46.000 Right.

00:24:47.000 And so, so how do you think this is going to play?

00:24:51.000 I mean, like, is it realistic that Hunter's getting indicted?

00:24:53.000 I mean, where does that look?

00:24:55.000 If I'm reading the little print media that I still read that's accurate and credible, it looks like he's going to get some form of indictment.

00:25:02.000 And here's the problem, right?

00:25:05.000 How is this administration going to execute that?

00:25:07.000 What, this attorney general that was appointed by his father is going to go to the White House and say, I'm indicting your son criminally.

00:25:12.000 And then his dad's going to go, I'm going to pardon him.

00:25:15.000 Like, and do we have any confidence that an actual special counsel can be appointed to meet out this, which should have been done a long time ago?

00:25:21.000 What is this attorney general, Merrick Garland, by the way, remind you, going to pick someone to unilaterally prosecute Hunter Biden?

00:25:28.000 No.

00:25:28.000 So I don't have confidence in the DOJ I used to work at because of the politicization of it.

00:25:32.000 Yeah, and that's so disappointing.

00:25:34.000 I suppose, let's say Trump termed two.

00:25:37.000 And I know some of our listeners don't like Trump, but he's going to run.

00:25:40.000 And like, I mean, yeah, it's just the way it is, right?

00:25:43.000 So, I mean, and whether Trump term two basically is the only choice we have right now.

00:25:47.000 It just is.

00:25:48.000 So how do you clean up the DOJ?

00:25:51.000 Same way we were just talking about personnel.

00:25:53.000 You got to pick the right person.

00:25:54.000 Did you really change the DOJ with better personnel?

00:25:56.000 Here's the one thing I will say about my time in the Department of Justice.

00:26:00.000 It was for the overwhelming part.

00:26:02.000 The 98% of the people that I worked with were awesome.

00:26:05.000 I had no idea what their political affiliations were.

00:26:08.000 We were bringing amazing cases across the country and around the world.

00:26:11.000 Had no idea.

00:26:12.000 You know who the people that mucked it up?

00:26:13.000 The leadership.

00:26:14.000 Attorney General Eric Holder for Benghazi and the likes like that.

00:26:18.000 Loretta Lynch and Sally Yates.

00:26:20.000 When you take out those, the AG, the DAG, the Associate Deputy Attorney Generals, and you put in place the 10 to 12 people to run that department the way it should be.

00:26:28.000 Yes, I think you can fix it.

00:26:29.000 So it's really a dozen.

00:26:31.000 It's about a dozen.

00:26:32.000 Yeah.

00:26:32.000 But so it's just not just one person.

00:26:34.000 No.

00:26:34.000 A dozen change makers.

00:26:35.000 Yeah.

00:26:36.000 Now, the attorney general Senate confirmed, right?

00:26:41.000 But then that next can all just be appointed.

00:26:43.000 No, they're all that 12 that I'm referencing are presidentially appointed and Senate confirmed.

00:26:47.000 Oh, that's what makes the difference.

00:26:50.000 Got it.

00:26:50.000 And they have a lot of power.

00:26:52.000 A lot of power.

00:26:53.000 I want to ask you about Katanji Brown Jackson.

00:26:57.000 Katanji Brown Jackson looks like she's going to be confirmed because Joe Manchin, who represents West Virginia, says that she embodies West Virginia values.

00:27:05.000 I did not know leniency for child pedophiles, predators, and the inability to know when life begins, what the equal protection clause is, and what is a woman is a West Virginia value.

00:27:15.000 But then again, I'm not from Morgantown.

00:27:18.000 Cash, you think that it could have been worse?

00:27:20.000 I think it could have been far worse.

00:27:21.000 Look, I'm not rooting for the confirmation of Katanji Brown Jackson or anyone else they're going to pick over there.

00:27:26.000 But here's why I think this is almost as good as it could have gotten for a Democratic nomination for the Republican Party.

00:27:34.000 She's replacing Justice Breyer.

00:27:36.000 That guy was a legal powerhouse.

00:27:38.000 He had the gravitas over the decades to go to other Supreme Court justices and pull the court to the left with his actual intellect and decisive decision-making and ability to negotiate.

00:27:50.000 Katanji Brown Jackson, in comparison, does not have that gravitas.

00:27:53.000 Who is she going to go to? 0.99

00:27:54.000 Sodomayor.

00:27:56.000 It's not like the Republican appointees are on the, I don't think so, on the court are going to have anything to do with her.

00:28:00.000 They would engage a Justice Bryant.

00:28:02.000 She does not have the legal background.

00:28:04.000 She does not have the judicial integrity.

00:28:06.000 So she won't be very persuasive.

00:28:08.000 No, she'll write a few opinions and she'll always vote left. 0.99

00:28:10.000 Okay.

00:28:11.000 But in the grand scheme of things, I think we could have done a lot more, a lot more damage to the Supreme Court with other picks.

00:28:17.000 Now, I don't think she should be confirmed, but she's got.

00:28:19.000 What does this say just generally for kind of the rule of law and what a judge should be?

00:28:24.000 I mean, this is something you care about a lot.

00:28:26.000 Yeah.

00:28:26.000 I mean, this probably just doesn't, maybe you're used to just sealing radical judges because for me, this has just kind of been a learning experience.

00:28:33.000 Like, wow, this is where our country's at.

00:28:35.000 No, I'm kind of with, it's crazy.

00:28:36.000 I was a former public defender and a federal prosecutor.

00:28:39.000 I've been in front of over 100 judges in my life.

00:28:41.000 Yeah, you have a lot of experience with this.

00:28:42.000 And most judges, but pre-Donald Trump, were fair and straight down the middle and smart and had integrity, right?

00:28:51.000 But Donald Trump gets elected.

00:28:52.000 That all goes out the window.

00:28:53.000 And now here's the conversation we're actually having for the first time in like 250 years, plus years of our nation's birth.

00:28:58.000 Let's court pack.

00:28:59.000 Let's put more than nine on the Supreme Court. 0.96

00:29:02.000 If a Republican had said that during the Obama administration, they would have been set on fire.

00:29:06.000 But now every Democrat is saying it because we've got a race to get more and more and more in.

00:29:10.000 Well, and there's like what is biological reality, right?

00:29:13.000 Which is a whole nother kind of aspect that's, I mean, I have a simple answer to what is a woman. 0.99

00:29:17.000 It's what I'm trying to date. 0.63

00:29:19.000 Oh, there you go.

00:29:19.000 Okay.

00:29:20.000 So that I didn't see that coming.

00:29:23.000 So, yeah, I suppose this kind of opens up this whole question here for Republicans that I think is really important, which is how many of them are going to vote for Katanji Brown Jackson?

00:29:37.000 If any, Mitt Romney might.

00:29:39.000 And, you know, this is kind of, in my opinion, kind of the erosion of the constitutional order.

00:29:45.000 But, you know, you're saying it could have been a lot worse, which I appreciate, but it's still very disappointing.

00:29:50.000 I'll be very honest.

00:29:51.000 Oh, I 100% agree with you.

00:29:53.000 It's tremendously disappointing from the perspective of the world's most premier judicial operation, right?

00:29:58.000 The Supreme Court of the United States.

00:30:00.000 That's it.

00:30:00.000 It doesn't get any bigger.

00:30:02.000 And to put someone in that bank who doesn't have the gravitas and experience hurts.

00:30:07.000 It doesn't hurt Democrats and Republicans.

00:30:09.000 It hurts the U.S. because people look to us for that judicial making power.

00:30:13.000 It really does.

00:30:14.000 Okay, so big tech censorship.

00:30:16.000 You're on Truth Social.

00:30:17.000 I'm banned from Twitter.

00:30:18.000 You've dealt with this topic a lot.

00:30:20.000 Tell us just in closing again about Truth Social.

00:30:23.000 So look, Truth Social is, we've done a lot of, they've been looking at it a lot.

00:30:28.000 The engagement is off the charts from what I'm what I'm told.

00:30:30.000 I don't have Twitter.

00:30:31.000 I don't know how Twitter works, but what I keep telling people is very simple.

00:30:33.000 Look, we don't just want the right or the MAGA or whatever.

00:30:36.000 Everybody, everybody gets an invitation.

00:30:38.000 Come join. 0.98

00:30:39.000 And I've been challenging people like the Babylon B and others. 0.56

00:30:41.000 I'm like, look, everyone complains that Twitter is censoring you.

00:30:44.000 They're suppressing your numbers.

00:30:46.000 They're not letting you message.

00:30:47.000 Then take power back and get off of it and come over to truth.

00:30:50.000 And I know that that's a hard step, but if I can get one of those companies like a Babylon B or a Federalist to come over, then I think the waterfall, the avalanche will come behind it.

00:30:59.000 But check out Truth Social.

00:31:00.000 I'm at Cash for the first time at K-A-H-A-S-A-H.

00:31:04.000 I'm on there and I'm engaging with Devin Nunes.

00:31:07.000 And I believe the president of the United States is going to be jumping on at some point.

00:31:11.000 So get in line.

00:31:12.000 It's still in beta, but I think in the next 30 days, you'll see an explosion on Truth Social.

00:31:16.000 So we're getting a lot of questions about Durham.

00:31:18.000 Can't say much about that, but Cash will be back on our program if and when we get any news.

00:31:23.000 Live.

00:31:23.000 Live from Durham.

00:31:24.000 Cash doesn't live too far from our undisclosed location here.

00:31:29.000 So we'll be able to have him back on.

00:31:31.000 Cash is great.

00:31:31.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:31:35.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:31:37.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:39.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:31:40.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 26, 2022

Trump Sues EVERYONE, Durham, Bill Barr, and More—Unfiltered with Kash Patel

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