The Charlie Kirk Show - June 05, 2023


Trump: To Debate or Not to Debate? with Raheem Kassam and John Rich


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On today's show, Charlie Kirk and Raheem Kassam discuss whether or not Donald Trump should debate in the upcoming CNN primary debate. They also discuss new polling on Ron DeSantis and how he stacks up against the other Republican candidates.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Today, I'm the Charlie Kirk show.
00:00:01.000 Raheem Kassam.
00:00:02.000 We ask the question: to debate or not debate?
00:00:05.000 To debate or not debate.
00:00:07.000 That is the question.
00:00:09.000 And I want to hear from you: Do you think Donald Trump should debate in the debates?
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00:00:32.000 Here we go.
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00:01:15.000 Raheem Kassam is with us, and he has some new polling to report on, which is around some of the theme of last hour, which is what are we doing here in this primary?
00:01:24.000 The billion-dollar blockade, the billion-dollar barricade that is looming, that is building.
00:01:30.000 I think it's going to injure our chances to win in the general election.
00:01:33.000 Donald Trump's going to get through it.
00:01:35.000 He's going to pierce it. 0.84
00:01:36.000 He's going to destroy it.
00:01:37.000 He's a ferocious lion that you would not want to run up against.
00:01:40.000 The question is: is that the best use of our energy, our time, and our resources.
00:01:43.000 Raheem, welcome back to the program.
00:01:45.000 But you have some new polling to report about Governor Ron DeSantis.
00:01:48.000 Tell us about it, Raheem.
00:01:50.000 Yeah, that's right, Charlie.
00:01:51.000 Thank you for having me.
00:01:52.000 And I totally agree with you, by the way, and agree with the premise of the conversation, which we really do need to be having at this point in time.
00:01:59.000 And the reason I think that it needs to be had is: look, at the end of last year, the tail end of last year, after the midterm elections, a lot of people said, okay, well, look, you know, a primary might be healthy for the Republican Party.
00:02:12.000 A lot of animosity against the idea of, you know, quote unquote, a coronation, which I understand for some reason has negative connotations in this country.
00:02:20.000 But I think we've seen enough.
00:02:22.000 I think we've seen enough.
00:02:24.000 I think we've seen who the backers are against Trump here, the donor class, the GOP establishment class.
00:02:31.000 I think we've seen what the candidates who were supposed to be able to run away with this the second they got into this race have actually done with that airtime and that power, and the answer is not an awful lot.
00:02:43.000 And I think what a lot of people now are saying is, look, we understand that there's 200 million dollars set aside to try and tear down Donald Trump before he even gets to the general election.
00:02:56.000 Minimum against Democrat, yeah, keep going, but I think it's gonna be more.
00:03:00.000 Yeah, oh yeah, I'm sure it's more than that.
00:03:02.000 But I think most people kind of realize now that hey, you got Mike Pence jumping in, you got Tim Scott jumping in, you got Chris Christie cannonballing in, and I think people are just like yeah, we're done with this.
00:03:16.000 So let's bear that out in the data right.
00:03:19.000 Rasmus AND Reports did an interesting study in February and I pay very close attention to these things, so that when I saw they had a new one coming out this month, I immediately understood, okay, let's compare and contrast the two different polls.
00:03:32.000 Same methodology, same question, same candidates.
00:03:35.000 It's Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, and in February Ron DeSantis had 32% polling amongst likely Republican voters in this poll.
00:03:49.000 Today, he stands at 30%, which means that after the injection of cash, getting up on the stage, touring around Iowa, Twitter spaces glitched out or not, and so on and so forth.
00:04:02.000 All of the fanfare, he's actually sunk in the polls.
00:04:06.000 Contrast that with Donald Trump, who actually three months ago in the same poll was polling at 45%, is now up to 58%.
00:04:16.000 That is a massive leap in a very short period of time.
00:04:20.000 I think people are ready to declare this one over.
00:04:23.000 And but it's over with the voters, but it's not over with the donors, right, Raheem?
00:04:29.000 So let's play this out.
00:04:30.000 Let's game this out because my hypothesis, which could be incorrect, but I've been chatting with a good amount of people, and some of them still take my calls, is you got Nikki Haley, you got Tim Scott, you got Asa Hutchinson, you got Chris Christie, you got Mike Pence, Doug Bergham, and more.
00:04:44.000 It seems that they might be running against one another, but I actually think they're disparate parts of the same sort of long-ditch, hail Mary attempt effort, which is maybe we can throw as much as we can at Trump, see which one of the kind of same bland vanilla flavors might begin to resonate, and then just relentlessly pummel Donald Trump with money in the primary.
00:05:09.000 I think that some people underestimate the personal side of this.
00:05:14.000 And I'll prove it to you, Raheem.
00:05:16.000 Chris Sununu from New Hampshire, who has an unusually high octave voice for a man.
00:05:22.000 It's very bizarre.
00:05:24.000 He says, I'm not running for president in 2024.
00:05:27.000 Beating Trump is more important.
00:05:30.000 This is a perfect example of what I'm trying to tell people, which is there's people emailing us, Raheem.
00:05:36.000 I'm going to scream.
00:05:37.000 I can't stand it.
00:05:38.000 Why don't we just, you know, get behind Trump and you might not like him.
00:05:41.000 No, no, no, no.
00:05:42.000 He says in the Washington Post, Republican governor, beating Trump is more important.
00:05:47.000 Play cut 25 of the very high octave governor of New Hampshire.
00:05:51.000 We've taken the last six months to really kind of look at things where everything is, and I've made the decision not to run for president on the Republican ticket in 2024.
00:05:58.000 And obviously, a lot goes into that decision, but it's been quite an adventure, but not the end of the adventure by any means.
00:06:04.000 Raheem.
00:06:05.000 Genteel.
00:06:07.000 You know, a very genteel voice there.
00:06:10.000 Not exactly somebody that is used to projecting power and dominance, I think.
00:06:15.000 And that analogy works with the entire rest of the field as well.
00:06:19.000 I think what they really want to do is all be able to stand up on a stage with Donald Trump and create kind of like a pylon, right?
00:06:27.000 Which is why I think on balance, it doesn't make any sense for Trump to be on a debate stage with all of these two percenters and three percenters because it elevates their attacks to a position that he doesn't need to justify when he's polling at circus 60 percent amongst likely Republican voters.
00:06:45.000 Yes, it's a redux of 2016, and it's not even particularly very good redux of 2016.
00:06:52.000 It's like we've seen this movie before, but now they've cast like some other characters, and it's kind of like one of these woke Hollywood reboots.
00:07:00.000 Everybody's seen it, nobody wants to watch it take place again.
00:07:03.000 And listen, again, I understand that there is a world in which a lot of people are sort of thinking, yeah, but do you really just want to hand it over to one guy again?
00:07:11.000 And then you have to remind yourself, yeah, but wait a minute, this guy is term-limited out.
00:07:15.000 He has one more chance to swing the bat at the establishment.
00:07:18.000 And then Republican voters can have the pick of the field of whomever they want.
00:07:22.000 By the way, whomever they want, that will then, hopefully by then, have developed an apparatus and a style of campaigning that doesn't make them look kind of cringe and embarrassing when they're out on the campaign trail.
00:07:33.000 It's very clear there are people in this race who are simply not ready to be in this race.
00:07:37.000 They might be ready in four years, but they certainly show every day that they're not ready to be in this race. 1.00
00:07:41.000 So look, it's about rationality when it comes down to it.
00:07:46.000 It's about, do you want the Republican Party tear itself to bits over this primary season and limp and limp into the general, or would you like your candidate to be strong, backed by the entire party, and have all the resources available to him when he stands up on that stage against Joe Biden?
00:08:03.000 I can't imagine rational thinkers thinking any other way.
00:08:07.000 So you mentioned something that I'm not yet decided on, and I totally see it both ways.
00:08:12.000 And the audience is split.
00:08:13.000 You guys should email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:08:15.000 Does Trump participate in the debates?
00:08:17.000 Part of me, my gut instinct is no way, you're up 45 points.
00:08:21.000 Go do your own rallies.
00:08:22.000 Don't be part of the circus.
00:08:24.000 The second part of me, though, is, man, he is alpha male.
00:08:27.000 He could destroy these careers.
00:08:28.000 He will make it so he could do one debate and end it all.
00:08:31.000 And when they start talking about his tone, he turns and says, you don't know what it's like to be the leader of the free world.
00:08:36.000 I do.
00:08:36.000 What are we doing here?
00:08:37.000 You guys are all, I mean, he could just have a mic drop moment in the only way that alpha male Trump could do.
00:08:42.000 Raheem, help me navigate it because I see it truly both ways.
00:08:47.000 I would too, if the level, if the playing field was level in that sense.
00:08:51.000 But we know how these debates work.
00:08:53.000 We know who sets the rules for these debates.
00:08:55.000 You know full well that they're going to try and lock Donald Trump into a situation where if he stands on the stage and he talks over a certain amount of time, his mic will be cut off, right?
00:09:05.000 Or if somebody says something about him and he doesn't get to respond and he tries, his mic will be cut off.
00:09:10.000 And I think in that world, when you have this presidential debates commission and all of these rules and the RNC going along with what the establishment wants a debate to look like, I don't think you can do it.
00:09:21.000 I think you could just intermediate that and do something with independent news outlets if the other candidates are willing to do it and have it much more of a free-for-all, which, by the way, I think most Americans would prefer a more royal rumble approach to the debates.
00:09:37.000 But I don't think you're going to get that from CNN.
00:09:40.000 I don't think you're going to get that from Fox.
00:09:42.000 I don't think they're going to offer him the platform that you would expect him to have.
00:09:46.000 I want to hear from our very in-tune, smart, well-read audience.
00:09:49.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com because even with the rigged, though, right?
00:09:53.000 Even with all the mic cuts and everything, Donald Trump, in contrast to Chris Christie, just visually, you say, all right, forget it.
00:10:03.000 Like, I mean, this whole thing is just forget it, right?
00:10:07.000 I mean, you have Donald Trump just who is a powerful presence.
00:10:12.000 And again, television is a visual media.
00:10:15.000 It goes to the eye before the ear.
00:10:16.000 This is what people understand about Trump, is that 80 to 90% of the appeal of Trump is the posture, the magnanimity, the alpha male moves, the this guy is going to make decisive decisions.
00:10:29.000 And then, yes, part of it is what he's saying, but it is the ethos of his presence that resonates with people.
00:10:37.000 How did he get that way?
00:10:38.000 Yeah, I mean, 40 to 50 years on television and looking at ratings, you get pretty good at knowing what draws people in and keeps their attention.
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00:11:52.000 Raheem, we are receiving hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of emails.
00:11:59.000 And what do you think the verdict is?
00:12:00.000 It's 50-50, Raheem.
00:12:02.000 Our grassroots base says, you know what, I want to see Donald Trump tear his enemies apart.
00:12:07.000 I don't want to see it's not worth Trump's time.
00:12:08.000 So we have to think to ourselves: okay, do you want to see it for sport or do you want what's best for the nation?
00:12:15.000 What is the answer, Raheem?
00:12:17.000 That is it.
00:12:18.000 That is it.
00:12:19.000 Listen, I would like to see Donald Trump on the television as much as humanly possible, tearing his enemies down too.
00:12:26.000 It's amazing to watch.
00:12:27.000 It's fun to watch.
00:12:28.000 It's exciting to watch.
00:12:30.000 But the future of your country cannot be turned simply into a televised blood sport for the sake of it, right?
00:12:36.000 If there is no political, if there is no strategic imperative behind him standing on a debate stage with people who are 50, 55 points below him in the polls, then there isn't an imperative at all beyond the reality TV elements of it.
00:12:55.000 And I think, look, I sympathize greatly with the people who are just like, no, yeah, get up there, crush them.
00:13:00.000 It's like, firstly, ostensibly, they're within the same party, right?
00:13:05.000 And you should avoid crushing the people within your own party as much as humanly possible or on your own side as much as humanly possible.
00:13:13.000 The second part of that is it's like Donald Trump is going to be able to command so many stages, podcasts, networks, independent media, corporate media, all across the board.
00:13:26.000 And I think to reduce him down to just standing on a couple of debate stages or maybe even one debate stage, one hour, one night, answer me this question.
00:13:35.000 How many people watch a Republican primary debate with Donald Trump on it versus how many people tune in if Donald Trump's not on it?
00:13:43.000 And the idea that you elevate your opponents by giving them the gravity of your presence, I think is campaign malpractice.
00:13:51.000 I wouldn't advise he does it.
00:13:52.000 Yeah, I mean, he's already proved things too.
00:13:55.000 I mean, we know his legislative agenda.
00:13:57.000 We know how he is and who he is, right?
00:14:00.000 And so who is it going to benefit?
00:14:02.000 Probably benefit the people.
00:14:04.000 So you also have to ask this question.
00:14:06.000 Who wants Donald Trump on the stage the most?
00:14:10.000 That's an interesting question, right?
00:14:12.000 Well, if I'm Mike Pence, I'm begging for that opportunity.
00:14:16.000 I'm going to say, why?
00:14:17.000 It will make the views higher, make the shots on goal more likely, those kind of viral moments, right?
00:14:24.000 And so, and then the opposite side of the coin is, well, Charlie, you can't play prevent defense.
00:14:29.000 You have to always be on offense.
00:14:30.000 But at the same time, you have to be prudent.
00:14:32.000 And remember, Donald Trump did not participate in a debate right before Iowa.
00:14:36.000 Remember that?
00:14:37.000 He said, I'm done with this whole thing.
00:14:38.000 I'm going to do a veterans rally and you guys can do this.
00:14:41.000 And it will also make that entire debate schedule largely irrelevant if he doesn't do it.
00:14:47.000 It's just going to kind of be a sideshow, especially if Donald Trump does, I don't know, a town hall with Steve Bannon and Raheem and Jack Pesobic and all of us.
00:14:56.000 Imagine that on Real America's Voice while there's a debate going on.
00:14:59.000 Donald Trump is doing it.
00:15:00.000 It would be interesting to see what would get more numbers.
00:15:04.000 And so we enter in another question I want to ask you here then, Raheem, is what the current coup that is likely being launched against Donald Trump, because Donald Trump's going to win the nomination.
00:15:14.000 I got in this debate with somebody.
00:15:15.000 They said, oh, Charlie, indictments are going to hurt him.
00:15:17.000 I said, you're totally out of touch, right?
00:15:19.000 You don't know what you're talking about.
00:15:20.000 Just like the last indictment hurt him.
00:15:22.000 Yeah, but it is legitimate.
00:15:23.000 It's legitimate to say that in the general, there might be intel agencies that are going to interfere with him becoming president again.
00:15:30.000 That is totally legitimate.
00:15:32.000 Play cut two, and then about a minute you have to respond.
00:15:34.000 Play cut two.
00:15:35.000 You said that Trump poses a near-existential threat to the rule of law.
00:15:40.000 Well, think about what four years of a retribution presidency might look like.
00:15:47.000 He could order the investigation and prosecution of individuals who he sees as enemies.
00:15:54.000 I'm sure I'm on the enemies list.
00:15:55.000 And so our Constitution really does give a rogue president, which is what this would be, tremendous power to destroy.
00:16:03.000 And so that's why I'm trying to warn people.
00:16:05.000 He's like, yeah, our Constitution.
00:16:06.000 What he's saying is that we need to change the Constitution is basically what he's saying, Raheem.
00:16:10.000 What are your thoughts?
00:16:11.000 He's basically saying, please don't vote for Donald Trump because he might prosecute me for the things that I've done wrong.
00:16:15.000 And I don't think most Americans will find that to be a compelling case.
00:16:19.000 I think the other part of that that's interesting is that he's basically signaling there that they will do anything they can, including all of the dirty tactics we've seen before in order to stop this man becoming the president.
00:16:30.000 And a final note, I think there's some level of people out there, some percentage of people out there that are worried that Trump won't get asked the hard questions about Fauci and the vaccines and all of this stuff.
00:16:40.000 And I pledge to your audience this, that if I'm in front of Donald Trump and I'm able to interview him during this campaign, we will ask those tough questions.
00:16:46.000 We're just not going to ask them like Caitlin Collins in a catty gotcha moment.
00:16:49.000 No, that's right.
00:16:50.000 We actually want real answers.
00:16:51.000 Fairly and in the context that he was a fantastic president.
00:16:54.000 And there are two or three things that he needs to address.
00:16:57.000 The personnel he chose, Operation Warp Speed, and the promotion of an MRNA shot.
00:17:02.000 Those are the three things that I think people have concerns about.
00:17:05.000 You could also love Donald Trump and say he was the best president of our lifetime and have questions.
00:17:09.000 We're all human and there's always room for improvement.
00:17:11.000 Raheem, thanks so much.
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00:18:09.000 John Rich joins us now, the great John Rich.
00:18:12.000 John, thank you for making time for us.
00:18:14.000 So John, you responded to my tweet about Jamie Foxx.
00:18:18.000 What's going on with Jamie Foxx?
00:18:20.000 Why is the media not covering this?
00:18:22.000 And we have a little bit of whispers about it, but something unusual is going on.
00:18:24.000 John, what's happening?
00:18:26.000 Well, I'm not sure anybody knows 100% because exactly what you said, but people are starting to cover the story that Tesla has a stroke, some really life-altering things have happened.
00:18:37.000 And, you know, we see a lot of that.
00:18:40.000 I think in the past 18 months or so, I bet you most people watching or listening to your show right now know someone personally who has had some type of major physical problem, if not death, since all those vaccines rolled out.
00:18:56.000 Everybody pretty much knows somebody, including me.
00:18:58.000 I have family members problems.
00:19:01.000 There are singers in the country music world that are no longer touring because of issues that they're having.
00:19:06.000 And so, yeah, when you put that out, I thought, you know, I can't 100% verify what's going on with Jamie Fox.
00:19:12.000 I don't know that anybody can other than him and his family and his doctors.
00:19:16.000 However, it just rings that bell again in all of our consciousness that something terrible has rolled out our country and a lot of people are suffering because of it.
00:19:26.000 Yeah, and so public reports, there's a article that we tweeted out that says a close, close, a source close to Jamie Foxx says that he has gone blind and has serious issues because of the mRNA shot.
00:19:42.000 You responded and you said, well, why doesn't he just sue Pfizer if that's the case?
00:19:46.000 But they actually have immunity, don't they, John?
00:19:49.000 Yes, they do have immunity and they didn't have to get a shot to get it.
00:19:52.000 How about that?
00:19:53.000 They are actually immune.
00:19:54.000 So no matter what happens to you, if you tie that back to the vaccine, there is not a damn thing you can do about it.
00:20:01.000 I mean, isn't that something in the United States of America?
00:20:04.000 I think it's one of the biggest travesties ever.
00:20:07.000 However, I think you know this, that fraud, fraud pierces the veil.
00:20:13.000 Fraud can pierce through any liability protection they ever had.
00:20:16.000 I believe we were lied to.
00:20:18.000 I believe Trump was lied to.
00:20:20.000 I believe he was put into a position to have to believe these people, the NIH, the WHO, the CDC, the FDA, Fauci, and so on and so forth.
00:20:31.000 All people and institutions now that we do not trust for good reason, as they've lied to us over and over and over again.
00:20:38.000 I believe Trump was also put in that position of, okay, do I let these people come with this vaccine or do I not come with the vaccine?
00:20:45.000 What do I do?
00:20:46.000 What an impossible position that was for him.
00:20:49.000 But now here we all sit dealing with the ramifications of this.
00:20:53.000 And listen, there's people that I've been friends with 20 years that are used to pulling 100 plus concerts a year that can't sing three or four songs in a row at this point because they have myocarditis, because their blood pressure is through the roof, because they can't breathe.
00:21:09.000 I mean, 100 different things going on.
00:21:11.000 And that is extrapolated throughout the entire country right now.
00:21:14.000 And I think people are so mad and really furious at this point and aggravated as to, well, who's going to hold these people accountable?
00:21:22.000 What's going to happen?
00:21:23.000 We can't do Pfizer.
00:21:25.000 What can we possibly do?
00:21:27.000 I mean, Charlie, you tell me, what would the crime be called if you unleash something on the general public that may kill potentially millions of people?
00:21:36.000 Is there a name for a crime like that?
00:21:38.000 Yeah, there is a name for it.
00:21:40.000 But you know what?
00:21:40.000 We call it safe and effective is what we call it.
00:21:43.000 100% safe and effective.
00:21:44.000 You're not allowed to even question it.
00:21:46.000 In fact, to give you an idea of how totalitarian social media has become on this topic, so one of our team members, Daisy, had a great idea because we wanted to post about the Jamie Foxx thing, but we knew we were going to get fact-checked on Instagram, even though it was a third-party article.
00:22:00.000 So we put up the article and we black out the part where it says, Jamie Foxx is blind in this because of boom, and we black it out.
00:22:10.000 And they still fact-check us.
00:22:12.000 We don't even say the thing, but we have a blackout thing and they say, oh, no, no, independent fact-checkers say that Jamie Foxx is not damaged because of the mRNA shot, but it's not just him.
00:22:24.000 Nancy Mace, can you get the clip, Ryan, of Nancy Mace?
00:22:27.000 Nancy Mace, who's a very moderate congresswoman from South Carolina, she said that she has permanent health damage because of the vaccine.
00:22:34.000 One of the pussycat doll members shared her vaccine injury story. 0.95
00:22:37.000 I was severely injured by the Moderna vaccine.
00:22:40.000 Also, one of the great musicians and one of the great guitarists, Eric Clapton, same exact thing.
00:22:47.000 So, John, we see the pattern here.
00:22:49.000 We see that there's been something very wrong, and they've come after all of us with great retaliation, censorship, smearing, and slander.
00:22:58.000 And it's really a tragedy because we're now at this place where, you know, some people are calling it crimes against humanity or all these different sorts of things.
00:23:07.000 And what we call it is a mystery.
00:23:10.000 It's a mystery why our government has been actively involved in promoting an mRNA shot that did not do what they said it was going to do and obviously had side effects.
00:23:19.000 John, why are so few people willing to speak out against this?
00:23:22.000 People don't like being called bad names.
00:23:24.000 People don't like being shoved around.
00:23:27.000 And we got to remember whose shoulders we stand on.
00:23:30.000 You know, if the attitude that a lot of Americans have today had been the pervasive attitude of the founding fathers, Charlie, we would have never had in the first place to even be fighting for.
00:23:42.000 I mean, back in the day when they signed the Declaration of Independence, that was their death warrant with the British Empire.
00:23:47.000 They knew they were going to die if they ever got caught for signing that document, but they signed it anyway.
00:23:52.000 So here we are in 2023, and people are too afraid to say what the truth is because they're going to get kicked off of Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, or somebody at work is going to call them a bad name or whatever.
00:24:04.000 I mean, we have to remember who we are and where we came from.
00:24:07.000 Listen, when you mandate something that's experimental, an experimental medication or procedure, you mandate that.
00:24:16.000 There's a little something people can read called the Nuremberg Code.
00:24:20.000 And you go back to the Nuremberg Code and it specifically states you are not allowed to coerce, force, or in any other matter make another human being undergo an experimental medical treatment or situation.
00:24:32.000 Period, end of sentence.
00:24:34.000 Yet, we've seen all throughout our country and all around the world the mandates that have come down.
00:24:39.000 I mean, I was just doing some bottle signing down in Florida with my whiskey brand.
00:24:44.000 I was down there signing bottles, and there were people coming through, military people, former cops, they're former because they couldn't keep their jobs.
00:24:53.000 All kinds of people, school teachers, doctors through my line that lost their jobs because they wouldn't take it.
00:24:58.000 So at some point, this has to break.
00:25:00.000 At some point, people have to be held accountable.
00:25:02.000 And I don't care if they're Republicans and Democrats.
00:25:05.000 I don't care who it is.
00:25:06.000 This is not to be allowed in our country, and it has to be paid for so it never happens again.
00:25:13.000 The Republicans were some of the biggest pushers of the vaccine.
00:25:16.000 Here's Nancy Mace, who said, Look, I took the vaccine.
00:25:19.000 I trusted you.
00:25:20.000 This is a moderate Republican congressman.
00:25:21.000 The media ignored this.
00:25:23.000 The media doesn't want this because they're all purchased by the pharmaceutical companies, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson, and Johnson.
00:25:29.000 By the way, several of people that I'm sure in the audience, podcasters and conservative people in media, they're bought by the pharmaceutical companies, PlayCut 26.
00:25:38.000 But I have effects from the vaccine.
00:25:40.000 It wasn't the first shot, but it was a second shot that I now developed asthma that has never gone away since I had the second shot.
00:25:47.000 I have tremors in my left hand, and I have the occasional heart pain that no doctor can explain.
00:25:54.000 And I've had a battery of tests.
00:25:56.000 Here's a moderate congresswoman, and media just kind of shrugs their shoulders.
00:26:00.000 Yeah, it's perfectly normal, safe, and effective.
00:26:03.000 Here's the original source of the Jamie Foxx situation: PlayCut 19, please.
00:26:07.000 I had somebody in the room who let me know that Jamie had a blood clot in his brain after he got the shot.
00:26:17.000 He did not want the shot, but the movie he was on, he was pressured to get it.
00:26:22.000 What I found out from the man in the room was that the blood clot in the brain caused him at that point to be partially paralyzed and blind.
00:26:32.000 There's a great shroud of secrecy around Jamie Foxx.
00:26:35.000 Even TMZ is not reporting this.
00:26:37.000 And I know TMZ has got sources in hospitals who give them information, whether it's legal or not.
00:26:43.000 John, your reaction.
00:26:45.000 I mean, we're living in a nightmare.
00:26:49.000 Let's just be honest.
00:26:50.000 We're living in a nightmare.
00:26:51.000 There are so many people that are culpable for this, not just the people that created it, but people that went out and mandated it.
00:27:00.000 And now we have this rolling across our country.
00:27:03.000 Listen, this came into the country music world in a big way, too.
00:27:05.000 There were all kinds, some of your favorite country singers, I'll just leave it at that, were firing bus drivers, musicians that they had had for 15, 20 years.
00:27:14.000 I mean, they refused to take this vaccine.
00:27:18.000 And guess what?
00:27:18.000 None of those people ever got hired back.
00:27:21.000 You know, when I run into people on the road, I go, well, did you get your job back?
00:27:24.000 They said, hell no, they never hired me back.
00:27:26.000 And that's the travesty here.
00:27:28.000 The question, Charlie, is how does this wind up?
00:27:31.000 How does this wind up?
00:27:33.000 This is not something that gets swept back under the rugged state in the country.
00:27:36.000 The horse is out of the barn on this issue and it is running rampant across the country.
00:27:42.000 Something's going to have to happen at some point to hold these people responsible.
00:27:46.000 There's a lot of people paid off.
00:27:47.000 And also the American people, the majority of the American people, they want to live in the comfort of ignorance.
00:27:55.000 It's almost as if this is too big of a scandal that most Americans are uncomfortable believing it.
00:28:02.000 It's too widespread.
00:28:05.000 And we've never received an apology, an acknowledgement, any of it.
00:28:11.000 And meanwhile, we have people that were prescribing ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine.
00:28:15.000 They lost their whole lives.
00:28:17.000 I think one of the main reasons why this is not getting out as much as it should is most Americans are almost, I want to live in bliss.
00:28:23.000 This is too much.
00:28:24.000 This would make me too uncomfortable.
00:28:26.000 This would make me get off the couch.
00:28:28.000 I prefer to be comfortable than to know the truth.
00:28:32.000 I really believe that is a motivating factor for most Americans.
00:28:38.000 John, the Target boycotts seem to be working.
00:28:42.000 You've been a leader of kind of trying to inspire consumer backlash against this nonsense.
00:28:48.000 Are you hopeful that finally we're going to be able to get corporations to change their behaviors?
00:28:53.000 Well, we got a little phrase in the retail world because I own a bar downtown in Nashville and some other things.
00:28:58.000 It's called customers are king.
00:29:01.000 The customer is king.
00:29:03.000 And so what's interesting about these big companies, whether it's Target or Bud Light or whoever, is it's their brand.
00:29:09.000 It's their marketing dollars.
00:29:10.000 They have big teams of people that sit around very big tables.
00:29:14.000 They're all very highly educated and they come up with ways to market their store, market their product to do what?
00:29:20.000 Sell more product.
00:29:22.000 That's what they're supposed to do.
00:29:23.000 And so they come up with these multi-million dollar ideas and campaigns and they roll them out and the customers decide who wins and who loses.
00:29:31.000 I can tell you with the Bud Light thing and my bar, it was the number one selling beer that we had since 2018 when I opened the place up.
00:29:38.000 And we sell a lot of beer down here in Nashville.
00:29:40.000 Well, five or six days after the Bud Light story broke, I just told my manager, keep track of how much Bud Light are we selling.
00:29:47.000 He calls five or six days in.
00:29:49.000 He goes, well, you're not going to believe it.
00:29:50.000 We sold a total of zero Bud Lights.
00:29:53.000 What do you want me to do with all this beer?
00:29:54.000 I said, my God, how much beer do we have of Bud Light?
00:29:57.000 He said, 118 cases.
00:30:00.000 I said, that's a lot of beer and nobody's buying it.
00:30:03.000 No, nobody's buying it.
00:30:04.000 So we called the distributor and they came and picked it up and took it.
00:30:08.000 And now you see Target, they make their moves.
00:30:10.000 They want to market their store like they want to.
00:30:12.000 And people are responding in kind.
00:30:15.000 I mean, this is ultimately capitalism at its finest because people decide who's going to stick around and who's not.
00:30:22.000 So yeah, I like seeing that the general public supports what they want to support and doesn't support what they don't want to.
00:30:27.000 I don't believe in cancel culture.
00:30:29.000 And to me, cancel culture is when a company or a platform, somebody way above your head that controls the situation just decides to whack you.
00:30:40.000 They just turn it off.
00:30:41.000 They turn you off, turn your business off. 0.93
00:30:43.000 They just kill it.
00:30:45.000 It's different, though, when millions of customers all decide to stop spending their money on something.
00:30:51.000 You know, not one person's bank account is going to hurt Bud Light or Target or anybody else, but millions of people that feel that way, that's where the impact is coming from.
00:31:00.000 There is a new article out in The Economist.
00:31:02.000 Conservative Americans are building a parallel economy.
00:31:06.000 It's obviously written by somebody who's not American because why would you say conservative Americans?
00:31:10.000 It's kind of a strange way to word it.
00:31:12.000 But it talks about Public Square, which we're big fans of, Patriot Mobile, amongst many other new and exciting options and parallel economy ventures we're seeing happen in a big way.
00:31:26.000 John, I finally start to see alternatives start to rise up.
00:31:29.000 We have Rumble to go up against YouTube, Public Square now to go up against Yelp.
00:31:34.000 We have, I mean, Patriot Mobile to go up against Woke Wireless.
00:31:37.000 We finally have a menu of options.
00:31:39.000 And everybody in the audience, you have to prioritize your purchasing power to be in alignment with your values.
00:31:44.000 John, final thoughts?
00:31:46.000 Well, people want to run for the hills, Charlie.
00:31:47.000 They go, what are we supposed to do?
00:31:49.000 They've got us surrounded.
00:31:50.000 We want to run for the hills.
00:31:51.000 The problem is the enemy owns all the hills too.
00:31:54.000 So there's nowhere to run.
00:31:55.000 So we have to build new hills for people to run to.
00:31:58.000 There's another one that's in the banking sector.
00:32:00.000 We just saw Justin Trudeau to shut down the truckers.
00:32:03.000 He froze all their bank accounts.
00:32:04.000 They're doing the same in South America.
00:32:06.000 And if you don't think there's American people in places of power that want to freeze our bank accounts, think again because they do.
00:32:13.000 So I'm actually part of an upstart bank called Old Glory Bank, oldglorybank.com.
00:32:17.000 And our whole premise is you will never be canceled or punished for exercising your constitutional rights.
00:32:23.000 What a concept. 0.77
00:32:24.000 I mean, it's pretty pathetic that we have to say something like that and people go, well, I'm going to go there. 0.97
00:32:29.000 You would think that's a default position, but no, it's not.
00:32:32.000 And so, yes, I think a parallel economy, other options for people to go to when they find themselves being completely corralled by the current system.
00:32:40.000 It's absolutely necessary.
00:32:43.000 John Rich, keep up the great work.
00:32:44.000 Excellent commentary, as always.
00:32:47.000 And thank you for your courage.
00:32:48.000 And you are a business owner and you're doing a great job.
00:32:51.000 We need more people like you.
00:32:52.000 Thank you.
00:32:52.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:32:53.000 It's our 11-year anniversary at Turning Point.
00:32:56.000 So maybe go to tpusa.com and decide you're going to come to the Young Women's Leadership Summit. 0.98
00:33:00.000 Maybe give $11 for our 11-year anniversary, whatever you might want to do.
00:33:04.000 It's tpusa.com.
00:33:06.000 I encourage you to check out the website.
00:33:07.000 We are moving the dial, educating the next generation around American values and ideas.
00:33:13.000 And we are making people's worldview better.
00:33:16.000 We are improving the worldview of a generation that is just lost because of the government schools.
00:33:21.000 I am so thankful for the team at Turning Point USA, and I am motivated to do even more.
00:33:25.000 The next 11 years will be even more successful and even more fruitful, God willing, if we keep on working as hard as we plan to work.
00:33:36.000 Thanks so much for listening.
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