The Charlie Kirk Show - Trump’s Plan to Deconstruct the Deep State with Saurabh Sharma

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 How do we properly staff a government?

00:00:03.000 Sir Rob Sharma is here from American Moment to talk about one of the most important issues, that personnel is policy.

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00:01:03.000 I'm a massive fan of President Trump's.

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00:01:35.000 And I have said to President Trump, both publicly and privately, that if he runs in 2024, we are behind him.

00:01:41.000 And by the way, I'm an outspoken admirer of Governor DeSantis.

00:01:46.000 In fact, I just spoke with Governor DeSantis.

00:01:48.000 He was just at our event.

00:01:49.000 I think Ron DeSantis is a once-in-a-generational leader.

00:01:52.000 I really do.

00:01:53.000 He could be.

00:01:54.000 DeSantis is just amazing, and he could save the country.

00:01:58.000 I really believe that.

00:02:00.000 But one of the things that I think that President Trump struggled with was personnel.

00:02:07.000 There were too many serpents around him that lied to him, undercut him, and stabbed him in the back.

00:02:14.000 If we're serious about retaking America, we must fix personnel. 0.80

00:02:20.000 It is one of the most, if not the most important topic.

00:02:24.000 And to hear and here to walk us through this topic is he runs American Moment.

00:02:29.000 It's Sir Rob Sharma.

00:02:31.000 He's a great American, and he is trying to fix this problem.

00:02:35.000 But first, I want to diagnose it properly with him.

00:02:38.000 Sir, Rob, welcome back to the program.

00:02:40.000 It's my pleasure to be back here, Charlie.

00:02:41.000 So, Sir Rob, how bad is it?

00:02:43.000 Let's start with there, when it comes to the current status of the conservative movement when it comes to personnel.

00:02:48.000 We can win elections, but can we staff governments?

00:02:52.000 No, I don't think we can.

00:02:54.000 And it's not just a problem with presidencies.

00:02:56.000 It's a problem with congressional staff.

00:02:58.000 Frankly, it's a problem with a lot of the think tanks here in Washington, D.C. as well.

00:03:02.000 Basically, the conservative movement is very good at electing people who are great at running for office.

00:03:08.000 We elect great congressmen, we elect great presidents, we elect, we fund and create great think tanks that have very good missions and fancy names.

00:03:16.000 But we're very, very bad at paying attention to the work that needs to be done behind the scenes at the sub-principal level.

00:03:23.000 This can be everything from the young public policy researchers that decide what work product comes out of a think tank, the legislative aides and correspondents that are deciding how a member of Congress is going to vote, and the presidential appointees that end up determining so much of how successful a president is.

00:03:42.000 And that is a problem that we've had, I would say, for 40 years since basically the Reagan administration.

00:03:47.000 Ronald Reagan was successful because he hired young, he hired ideological, and he hired underqualified.

00:03:53.000 He didn't care about the incumbent credentials in American life.

00:03:57.000 We've lost that ability on the right of center.

00:03:59.000 And because of it, the amount of success we're able to have when we elect great people to office is very limited.

00:04:06.000 And it's a problem that we can never let happen again because the hour is very late in this country.

00:04:11.000 And the left has made it very clear that their goal is to make it so that it is essentially illegitimate for the right to ever have political power.

00:04:19.000 And so while we still live in a constitutional republic where we are allowed to win elections, we have a responsibility to use that power effectively.

00:04:27.000 And that requires strong personnel.

00:04:29.000 One of the questions I have, Sir Rob, is that why is it that the left is so much better at this than we are?

00:04:38.000 Why is it that they understand navigating and building the administrative state?

00:04:42.000 And we as conservatives have failed so terribly because, Sarab, it's not because of a lack of resources.

00:04:47.000 You know, there's been hundreds of millions, not billions of dollars that have been deployed into the conservative movement in Washington, D.C. Lots of white papers have been written.

00:04:58.000 But when Donald Trump won, where was the, let's say, battle plan to properly staff the government?

00:05:05.000 Why is it the left gets this so much better than we do?

00:05:08.000 I think there's a couple of reasons why.

00:05:10.000 One, you think about the resources that the left of center has available to it.

00:05:14.000 We think that we have a ton of them on the right, and it's true that we do.

00:05:17.000 A lot of patriots, you know, little old grandmas have been cutting 10, 15, $20 checks to conservative organizations that promise to save the country for something close to 60 to 70 years. 0.98

00:05:27.000 However, the left has even more resources available to it.

00:05:30.000 And what do I mean by that?

00:05:32.000 The right of center gets to recruit its people out of conservative think tanks, congressional offices, maybe a few conservative leaning businesses, and that's it.

00:05:40.000 Meanwhile, on the left of center, they get the universities.

00:05:44.000 They get all of the career bureaucracy.

00:05:47.000 They get all of the quote-unquote nonpartisan civic organizations, which as we know, are completely taken over by the far left.

00:05:53.000 And they basically get a revolving door with Fortune 500 companies.

00:05:57.000 The C-suites and presidential administrations are basically coterminous, especially when it comes to places like big tech.

00:06:03.000 The Obama administration was full of big tech flax.

00:06:06.000 The Biden administration is no different.

00:06:08.000 And so the right is operating with a much more limited set of resources in terms of places it can draw its people from.

00:06:15.000 And so it has to be really attentive to who it brings in.

00:06:18.000 And we haven't been very attentive about it.

00:06:21.000 Most of the people who come to DC to be part of the staffing world here could easily work for either party.

00:06:27.000 When I say that, I'm specifically talking about the people who work on the right of center.

00:06:32.000 They're kind of center left, maybe center right.

00:06:34.000 They don't believe anything particularly intensely, and they are not as committed to it as the left of center is.

00:06:41.000 You know, people come here to do it kind of for one or two years on their way to law school, usually on the right of center, or maybe they want to go back and be in business or something.

00:06:50.000 And that's important.

00:06:51.000 That's fine.

00:06:51.000 But because people on the right are not obsessed with government in the way that the left is, we tend not to give the attention we need to to this issue.

00:07:00.000 And it's why we've ultimately not had as robust a personnel pipeline.

00:07:05.000 Yeah, that's a great answer.

00:07:06.000 And that's so right.

00:07:07.000 I want you to build that out a little bit more.

00:07:09.000 And I hope everyone listening understands this, which is you want to elect good people.

00:07:14.000 We've endorsed Blake Masters, JD Vance, who I just think are fabulous.

00:07:18.000 But we have won elections.

00:07:20.000 And I believe one of the reasons we're losing the country is because we're not able to staff the government.

00:07:27.000 We just don't have the personnel to be able to do it.

00:07:29.000 And Washington, D.C. is a cesspool.

00:07:32.000 It is a culturally far left-wing city that even the Republicans are center-right.

00:07:37.000 So, Rob, can you build us out a little bit more?

00:07:39.000 The archetype of a traditional congressional staffer, 23, pretty arrogant, you know, wears the, they all wear the same clothes, you know, kind of the thinly trimmed beard.

00:07:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:56.000 It's like spreading right.

00:07:58.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:08:00.000 And there's actually an Instagram account that puts together basically starter packs of what these people look like.

00:08:06.000 And you've gotten the profile exactly correct.

00:08:10.000 More importantly than some of those characteristics is actually what motivates them to come into politics.

00:08:17.000 I like to joke that D.C. is full of a lot of the second sons of East Coast businessmen who want to keep them as far away from the family business as humanly possible.

00:08:25.000 It's a lot of the kids of donors, the fail sons, the ones who you really didn't want to have anywhere near the money making for the family, their third, fourth generation wealth.

00:08:35.000 And unfortunately, a lot of the systems in D.C. have acclimatized themselves to that.

00:08:40.000 And that has real consequences.

00:08:41.000 So, for instance, most of the early internships you get in D.C. are unpaid or very poorly paid.

00:08:46.000 And so, what ends up happening is that only people that are wealthy and jobs.

00:08:51.000 Yes.

00:08:51.000 Yeah.

00:08:51.000 So basically, only people that otherwise would be in Kenny Bunkport can afford rent for three months in Washington, D.C. Is that right?

00:09:00.000 Exactly.

00:09:01.000 And the internships don't pay a living wage.

00:09:03.000 They're designed for those people.

00:09:04.000 And so those are the people who enter the pipeline, the people who come from these powerful backgrounds, the people who are not invested in the struggles of working class, middle-class people in the country, and certainly people who have been so removed from the Republican base for generations at this point that they'd have utter contempt if they went to a local tea party meeting or a local GOP meeting for the people they're supposed to be representing.

00:09:26.000 Staff is everything.

00:09:27.000 We're going to keep talking about this with Sir Rob Sharma.

00:09:30.000 I'm going to, what's your website, Sir Rob?

00:09:32.000 AmericanMoment.org.

00:09:34.000 AmericanMoment.org.

00:09:35.000 So there's so many different angles I want to go with this.

00:09:37.000 I want to just focus in on just kind of more of the technical aspect, which is our government is headquartered in Washington, D.C.

00:09:44.000 And if you want to become a congressional staffer, then you're likely going to be a son or daughter of a family that can afford you to not work that summer, can afford to pay for your rent that summer.

00:09:58.000 And I'm going to tell you kind of some of the ways I figured that out myself as I play into the stereotypes of the overly waspy population that seems to staff our government over the summer. 0.98

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00:10:57.000 All right, so I want to kind of play into this a little bit more.

00:10:59.000 So just can you walk through our audience?

00:11:00.000 A lot of our audience has maybe been to DC just on kind of a trip casually or not been at all.

00:11:05.000 That's why they're so happy.

00:11:07.000 Can you just kind of walk through the culture of Washington, D.C. summers and how that actually lays the groundwork for how policy itself is debated?

00:11:16.000 So from my understanding, there's a bunch of interns that flood the Capitol Hill.

00:11:22.000 Many of them have jobs.

00:11:23.000 They're looking for jobs there for about three to four months, if that.

00:11:27.000 And good luck trying to get a lease.

00:11:28.000 It's like $2,500 a month or $3,000 a month.

00:11:31.000 Plus, you got to pay for food in a very expensive city and travel and all of this.

00:11:34.000 So basically, after all of it, it's like $15,000 to do, which is, that's, that's basically boat fuel for a family, you know, on up in Mount Desert Island.

00:11:47.000 Why is it that this is such a talk about the impediment there and how the culture in Washington, D.C. exists?

00:11:55.000 Right.

00:11:55.000 So, every year you have intern season, right?

00:11:58.000 And the fall and spring are also relevant here, but it's mostly the summer.

00:12:01.000 That's when DC is full of people.

00:12:03.000 And so, you have all these Senate offices, these House offices, these think tanks on the right of center.

00:12:09.000 And you would assume, oh, okay, they're conservatives.

00:12:11.000 And so, they're going to be selecting for people based on their worldview.

00:12:14.000 They're going to be selecting people who want to serve and want to make an impact in support of the priorities that these politicians are running on.

00:12:22.000 That is not what happens at all.

00:12:24.000 Every single major institution in DC has the same blinders on, if not more intensely, that the rest of liberal culture around us has.

00:12:33.000 So, what do they prioritize?

00:12:34.000 They prioritize Ivy League education slash other kinds of fancy schools.

00:12:39.000 They prioritize people who are, you know, are very well spoken, but not very substantive, people who aren't going to rock the boat but talk pretty.

00:12:49.000 And of course, they, by the nature of the system, prioritize people who are wealthy.

00:12:54.000 And so, you bring in this class of people.

00:12:56.000 Most of them aren't going to stay, but the percentage that are are the ones who really couldn't cut it anywhere else.

00:13:02.000 And those then enter the pipeline for the broader staffing set on the right.

00:13:07.000 And so, those people they run up the chain, and very quickly, by the time you're in your late 20s, you can have very real serious power in Washington, D.C.

00:13:16.000 And unfortunately, most of these people, even if they came into DC believing anything at all, they're constantly surrounded by a culture that beats out any heterodox, interesting instincts they have.

00:13:26.000 It makes them into pawns of the establishment, makes them deeply cynical and nihilistic, and it makes them essentially useless when it comes to serving the interest of someone who does want to maybe rock the boat, someone like President Donald Trump or some of these fantastic members of Congress that have been elected.

00:13:42.000 And then, what the establishment will do on the back end is they'll say, Well, you have to hire our people. 0.98

00:13:48.000 You have to hire these cynical clowns because they're the only people left. 0.96

00:13:52.000 You know, I'm sorry, you people don't have anyone with experience. 0.98

00:13:55.000 And so, that's why you can't just pay attention to these senior roles, the ones that some people probably are aware of, you know, cabinet secretaries and so on.

00:14:02.000 You have to pay attention to the system at the very origin point of the pipeline, because if you don't get the beginning of this process right, you can't expect a good result at the end.

00:14:13.000 Yeah, and so is anyone actually going about fixing some of the entry costs for kind of the summers in DC problem, which ends up being the framework, if you will, or the bedrock or the impediment?

00:14:26.000 Is someone going about trying to fix that?

00:14:28.000 Yeah, actually, Congress a couple years ago, about two years ago, passed a sequestered intern fund, essentially, basically, a little pool of money that offices can only spend on interns.

00:14:39.000 Unfortunately, it wasn't enough.

00:14:41.000 So, you know, the typical intern salary is like $800 to $1,000 a month, which you could spend that much money on just the flight to DC and the flight back from DC and going back home once for 4th of July.

00:14:52.000 So, it doesn't solve the entire problem, but it does help.

00:14:55.000 It makes it so that someone maybe who spent their year in college saving up a little bit, or maybe their college helps fund part of their internship or something, it's a little bit more possible for them.

00:15:04.000 You know, we at American Moment have a program where when it comes to the people who we know want to do this, they are deeply aligned.

00:15:11.000 We pay them $3,000 a month, the best-paying internship program in DC.

00:15:15.000 And it's not for anyone who doesn't need it.

00:15:19.000 It's for specifically people who are college dropouts, didn't go to college at all, and who want to be involved in this system, but there is just no path to them doing it.

00:15:28.000 And, you know, because we've been trying to lead by example, you know, these other organizations will call me sometimes.

00:15:33.000 They'll ask, you know, how do we design our intern program?

00:15:36.000 And I tell them, if you want our help, I better see a responsible wage floor set for these interns because I have very little interest in helping out organizations that are going to be part of the problem as opposed to helping solve it.

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00:18:41.000 So Rob, what is Schedule F?

00:18:47.000 Schedule F is the future.

00:18:49.000 Schedule F is how we destroy the deep state.

00:18:53.000 For your listeners, Charlie, this is going to get a little bit in the weeds, but it is so important.

00:18:58.000 Basically, what happens in Washington, when it happens when it comes to the deep state, the career bureaucrats that have so much control over how policy is made, is that even the ones that aren't really that influential, they have an incentive structure to pretend like they're doing a big policymaking role because it comes with more perks, it comes with more prestige, it comes with more money.

00:19:18.000 And so the problem is that policy should be made by political appointees.

00:19:21.000 It should be made by the people who are appointed by the person, the American people elected.

00:19:26.000 And so what Schedule F is, is this brilliant way to use the incentives of the system against itself.

00:19:32.000 This is a proposal, an executive order by President Trump that they attempted to implement in the final days of the administration that would say, okay, if you are a so-called policymaking career bureaucrat, that's fine.

00:19:44.000 You're more than welcome to be one.

00:19:46.000 However, it means we are going to reclassify you under Schedule F, which strips you of all of the protections you have from being easily fired.

00:19:54.000 Because if you're making policy, then you need to be responsive to the duly elected president of the United States who sets policy.

00:20:00.000 And this is the way that we are going to fire thousands of bureaucrats when President Trump gets reelected or whoever does.

00:20:08.000 It is the future of how we defeat the deep state.

00:20:10.000 Well, so let's just go through this, though.

00:20:12.000 Without Schedule F, how hard is it to fire a federal bureaucrat?

00:20:15.000 This is hard for people to understand and grasp.

00:20:18.000 It's extremely difficult for a bunch of reasons.

00:20:20.000 There's an entire set of laws mostly passed in the 20th century that exists to make federal bureaucrats removed from political oversight.

00:20:30.000 Now, once upon a time, these rules were put in under the guise of merit.

00:20:35.000 They said people would say, okay, we want bureaucrats that have basic competence, intelligence, and education to be able to implement policy. 1.00

00:20:43.000 However, what merit became is not the way that, say, our adversaries think about merit, China, places like Japan, other countries that have very, very competent, effective civil services.

00:20:53.000 What merit became is stuff like Pete Buttigieg and Rachel Levine.

00:20:58.000 It was deeply incompetent, confused, strange people who want to impose their unhappiness on the rest of us.

00:21:04.000 And so those protections built for a merit-based civil service are now used to enforce left-wing orthodoxy even when Republican presidents are elected.

00:21:13.000 So is Schedule F an executive order?

00:21:15.000 Does Congress have to act on this?

00:21:17.000 No, it is an executive order.

00:21:20.000 Congress does not have anything to do with this.

00:21:22.000 Now, Congress may try to prevent Schedule F from getting implemented.

00:21:25.000 So there are Democrat members of Congress that have been filing legislation of late to make it so that a future Republican administration could never implement Schedule F.

00:21:33.000 So there's certainly ways that they could gum up the works.

00:21:36.000 But as of right now, any president that came in that decided they want to do this could do it.

00:21:41.000 Now, would it get challenged in court?

00:21:42.000 Would the left find a thousand ways to gum up the works?

00:21:45.000 Absolutely.

00:21:46.000 And that's something we need to be better at is responding in that moment of, you know, Aikido, you have to do with the left.

00:21:52.000 But I think President Trump could decide to do this unilaterally.

00:21:55.000 Why didn't Trump do it in his first term?

00:21:59.000 Honestly, this idea percolated for a very long time, but there were people that were at the time running the presidential personnel office and the Office of Personnel that weren't interested.

00:22:08.000 They weren't interested.

00:22:10.000 The personnel didn't want to have personnel changes.

00:22:13.000 That's just poetic.

00:22:15.000 Well, because it was neocons that were running the early days of the administration, and the neocons have no problem with the career bureaucrats.

00:22:22.000 They're all cut from the same cloth. 0.96

00:22:23.000 They want endless war.

00:22:24.000 They want all of our jobs to be shipped overseas and they want to open border.

00:22:27.000 Okay.

00:22:28.000 You know, sometimes they disagree slightly on the tax rate, but functionally for their purposes, it didn't matter if it was left-wing career bureaucrats or themselves.

00:22:37.000 Yeah.

00:22:37.000 And so that they were blocking it.

00:22:40.000 Was Trump?

00:22:40.000 Trump was sympathetic to this idea, though, correct?

00:22:43.000 Yeah, he ran on draining the swamp.

00:22:47.000 He has been wanting to fire these bureaucrats that have been undermining him since he first ran for office.

00:22:53.000 Unfortunately, he was stymied a lot.

00:22:55.000 And, you know, the president see the United States as the strangest job in the world.

00:22:59.000 There is nothing else like it.

00:23:00.000 You have 10,000 things drawing at your attention every single day.

00:23:04.000 And so you have to almost outsource who sets the table for what you're paying attention to on any given day to your staff.

00:23:11.000 Unfortunately, President Trump didn't have good staff.

00:23:14.000 And so everything that he was shown that he was given attention to was the wrong stuff.

00:23:20.000 And when he would say that he wanted something done, the staff would say, yes, yes, Mr. President, we'll do it.

00:23:25.000 And then they'd kill it quietly.

00:23:27.000 And he was so busy that he wouldn't necessarily have the opportunity to ask again.

00:23:30.000 Yeah, so, but this is something important.

00:23:33.000 Why do you think, though, that Trump going into office was a little taken by surprise by this?

00:23:41.000 Was it just the initial transition team?

00:23:44.000 Was it just flawed from the beginning?

00:23:46.000 Why do you think that is?

00:23:48.000 I think you had two competing forces seeking to undermine him, right?

00:23:52.000 So, you had the first problem, which is that the entire political system absolutely despised Donald Trump, everything he stood for, and it was a shock to the system.

00:24:01.000 And so, they immediately went into overdrive trying to prevent Donald Trump from actually taking over the federal government and implementing his worldview.

00:24:09.000 The second, more specific problem that you had is that you had a right that was either uninterested or incapable of implementing his vision.

00:24:17.000 So, the ones that were uninterested were the establishment GOP, the people who would have easily done the transition for Jeb Bush or any of the other establishment people running for office.

00:24:27.000 Those were a lot of the same people running the transition because those were the people who knew how to run transitions.

00:24:32.000 And so, that gets to the final problem, which is that the people who were OG America first OG MAGA, they weren't as experienced in navigating Washington.

00:24:42.000 And unfortunately, because those early picks for who decided who got hired were so bad, being a day one Trump supporter was actually a liability to get hired in the Trump administration because to them, it was a signal that this would be a person who would actually fight for the president's agenda and his voters.

00:24:59.000 And they couldn't have that, they didn't want that.

00:25:01.000 What is the blue book?

00:25:03.000 The blue book is the list of every single job in the federal government.

00:25:07.000 It is, it is essentially, and then the other elements to it are what gets done in the first hundred days of the presidency.

00:25:15.000 And so, there are packets and packets of information that every president needs to start on day one with the people who he's going to hire and what he's going to do.

00:25:24.000 And so, what a lot of conservative organizations need to work on over the course of the next two years is making sure that we get that right next time.

00:25:32.000 I mean, so it's 4,000 positions, is that right?

00:25:34.000 Yes.

00:25:35.000 And so, is so you're working on it, but who else is working on this for the next Republican administration, Republican administration?

00:25:42.000 There's a lot of fantastic organizations.

00:25:44.000 I mean, I'm talking to you here from the Conservative Partnership Institute, a great organization led by Senator Jim DeMint and Mark Meadows.

00:25:50.000 They're patriots, they've been such good friends to us.

00:25:53.000 America First Legal, Stephen Miller's group, Center for Ruining America, that's Russ Vogt's group.

00:25:58.000 There's just a fantastic set of organizations.

00:26:00.000 We're all working together with the new great leadership at the Heritage Foundation on some of this.

00:26:05.000 I think that there's a lot of people who are working together who are going to make sure that this doesn't happen again.

00:26:09.000 And we're very lucky that we get to be a part of those conversations.

00:26:12.000 I think we bring a lot of the ideological energy that this energy for an America first worldview for a lot of these personnel.

00:26:21.000 That's what people have leaned on us quite a bit for.

00:26:23.000 And I would be shocked if we make this mistake again.

00:26:26.000 And I think that the next Republican president and the next conservative administration is going to be much more in the conservative movement.

00:26:32.000 So, for example, let's say Blake Masters and JD Vance win.

00:26:35.000 Is there an effort to try to get them properly staffed as well?

00:26:38.000 Well, they're two very good friends of mine, and we've had those conversations already.

00:26:41.000 So, I get the sense that they're going to have people trampling over each other to work for them.

00:26:48.000 I mean, I think a lot of young people, especially, realize that JD Vance and Blake Masters are the future of the Republican Party and they understand and are capable of articulating what needs to happen if we're going to have a country at all in our lifetime.

00:27:01.000 So, I think they'd be just fine, but we'll be helping them as much as we can once they get elected.

00:27:06.000 So, yeah, I know you got to go in a second, but I do want to ask about this question about the administrative state in general.

00:27:14.000 Conservatives seem to be very apprehensive about using political power.

00:27:19.000 So, we win, we purge the ranks of the awful people, we put new people in.

00:27:25.000 What should we actually use government for?

00:27:29.000 I think there's a lot of things.

00:27:30.000 The way that I like to think about it is that there are three ends that I think the conservative movement worth the name would direct its energy towards: strong families.

00:27:40.000 We have a crisis of family formation and fertility in this country.

00:27:44.000 And if you don't have families, if you don't have children, you don't have a country.

00:27:47.000 Sovereignty, we need a sovereign nation.

00:27:49.000 That means responsible policies on trade, on foreign policy, and on immigration to make sure that we don't just invade the world and invite the world all the time, that we actually protect the integrity of what it means to be an American and to have a country.

00:28:03.000 And then the last is broad-based economic prosperity, not this kind of corporate donor-focused vision of conservative economics that dominated for so long, where it was just whatever the Fortune 500 companies and the billionaires want, but also not the leftist approach of just endless welfare and no substantive vision of a productive, healthy working economy.

00:28:26.000 We need to create broad-based prosperity, and we do that by fixing or trading relationships.

00:28:31.000 We do that by incentivizing innovation.

00:28:33.000 We do that by actually making things in the country again.

00:28:36.000 It's well said.

00:28:37.000 Sir, Rob, thank you so much.

00:28:38.000 AmericanMoment.org.

00:28:40.000 Very important.

00:28:41.000 Thank you so much.

00:28:42.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:28:43.000 Thanks.

00:28:44.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts.

00:28:45.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:28:47.000 Again, this personnel issue is so incredibly important.

00:28:50.000 It's something that we're focusing on at turning point.

00:28:51.000 We got a lot in our hands, but imagine all the turning point students that we then can use to staff the government.

00:28:57.000 We should be unafraid to say that.

00:29:00.000 I want to get to a piece of sound here.

00:29:02.000 What is the significance of this?

00:29:04.000 What happens when you do not staff your government correctly?

00:29:09.000 Well, the left, they know how to staff their government.

00:29:11.000 They staff it up and down at every single level.

00:29:17.000 They have people at the worker level and at the executive level with complete and total loyalty.

00:29:25.000 You get spineless bureaucrats.

00:29:27.000 It's an extremely important topic.

00:29:30.000 Okay, I want to play this piece of tape here.

00:29:33.000 Okay, let's play cut 80.

00:29:36.000 What we do know is that Americans hate this economy, right?

00:29:38.000 The CNN poll out recently found that 64% of Americans believe the U.S. economy is currently in a recession.

00:29:45.000 Now, that may not be the case, but that's what people feel.

00:29:48.000 CNN says 64% of Americans feel that they're in a recession.

00:29:53.000 And yet, the people that are actually working in the intricacies of your government are saying that, oh, no, recession is actually not two quarters of negative economic growth, one after the other.

00:30:03.000 And if you have so many people that then staff your government that are left-wing ideologues, then how are you actually ever going to fix anything?

00:30:12.000 I could tell you, I was there.

00:30:14.000 I was actually a member of the Trump transition team.

00:30:17.000 And I saw firsthand the worst of the lobbyists, the insiders, they all penetrated and infiltrated every single level of government.

00:30:27.000 And so, for any Republican that runs for office, any Republican that runs for office in 2024, the same way that Donald Trump put forward Supreme Court picks, he should put together his cabinet.

00:30:41.000 He should run on an entire list of who he would staff the government with.

00:30:46.000 Personnel is policy, as Morton Blackwell would say.

00:30:49.000 Who you have actually in positions of power ends up being tomorrow's policy.

00:30:54.000 Trump did it with Supreme Court justices.

00:30:56.000 He should be able to do it as well with staffing the entire government.

00:31:00.000 We were just in New York City.

00:31:02.000 I could tell you it is a completely unrecognizable city.

00:31:05.000 I used to love New York.

00:31:06.000 We had a fine time.

00:31:07.000 We were safe, thankfully.

00:31:08.000 We had great security.

00:31:10.000 But it's just the whole city is just falling apart.

00:31:12.000 You talk to cops, their morale is super low.

00:31:15.000 Homelessness is everywhere.

00:31:16.000 It is a dirty city.

00:31:19.000 And Andrew is even a fan.

00:31:20.000 Producer Andrew is a fan of New York City.

00:31:22.000 And he just remarked when we were driving to one place, said, Man, this place is just dirtier, hotter, and trashier than any city I remember.

00:31:29.000 I said, Well, San Francisco would be close to it.

00:31:32.000 But New York used to be just a gem of a city.

00:31:35.000 It worked.

00:31:36.000 That's why people liked New York, literally and metaphorically.

00:31:39.000 It worked as a city.

00:31:40.000 You came there to work, to succeed, to aspire, to dream that you would only be capped by the limits of the skyscrapers of how high you could possibly go.

00:31:50.000 I mean, New York was a special place, and it is corrupt politicians.

00:31:54.000 It didn't take a lot of them to destroy it.

00:31:57.000 And I'll be honest, Bloomberg was an amazing mayor compared to Bill de Blasi.

00:32:03.000 I had plenty of problems with Mike Bloomberg, trust me.

00:32:05.000 But he was pro-police, and he fought the government unions, and he did not put up with trash and homelessness and vagrancy and dirtiness on the street. 0.96

00:32:13.000 New York is a dirty city now.

00:32:16.000 And in a recent study, it actually shows that New York is the unhappiest city in America, 318 out of 318.

00:32:24.000 I believe, and this is a contrarian argument, I do not believe, I believe, and I do not believe it's, I guess, let me say, I believe, I could do the negative or the positive.

00:32:34.000 I do not believe people were meant to live in urban cities.

00:32:37.000 I don't.

00:32:38.000 I don't think it's natural.

00:32:39.000 I don't think it makes you happy.

00:32:40.000 I don't think it makes you joyful, especially the way the cities are being run right now.

00:32:45.000 I think it could work if you have a great mayor, but the way Chicago, New York, San Francisco, Seattle, it is the death of the American city.

00:32:52.000 And so Eric Adams has been a continued chapter in that destruction.

00:32:56.000 And I want to kind of get into this segment just a little bit here.

00:32:59.000 We'll talk about it in the coming days of how Blue City mayors are now pulling the alarm of the cost of illegal immigration.

00:33:05.000 Play Cut 34.

00:33:06.000 And we can't have the historical, I believe people should be housed, but just don't house them on my block.

00:33:15.000 Everyone block, everyone's block is going to be impacted by this.

00:33:20.000 And so we have to add our advocacy with our ability to help our neighbors.

00:33:28.000 And we need everyone on board with this, you know, because as I stated last week, our schools are going to be impacted.

00:33:35.000 Our health care system is going to be impacted.

00:33:38.000 Our infrastructure is going to be impacted.

00:33:40.000 Oh, you mean there's a cost to mass illegal immigration?

00:33:44.000 Yeah.

00:33:44.000 The 7,000 people that are coming across our border every single day, 7,000?

00:33:51.000 Yeah, there is a cost to that.

00:33:53.000 Of course there is.

00:33:54.000 Now Muriel Bowser, the mayor of Washington, D.C., is saying the exact same thing.

00:34:01.000 She's requesting the National Guard to be activated.

00:34:04.000 Funny she didn't do that on January 6th to go remove illegals. 1.00

00:34:10.000 So there's a flood of illegals going to Washington, D.C.

00:34:14.000 And now Muriel Bowser wants them, wants the National Guard to remove them.

00:34:21.000 So wait a second.

00:34:22.000 Let me answer this question.

00:34:23.000 Why can't Greg Abbott now go use the National Guard to secure the southern border that we've been calling for on this program for the last year and a half?

00:34:30.000 Play cut 88.

00:34:32.000 And I've also asked the Secretary of the Army to deploy the D.C. National Guard to help lead that effort.

00:34:41.000 So I've asked for the deployment of the Guard as long as we need the Guard to deal with a humanitarian crisis that we expect to escalate.

00:34:51.000 The number of people crossing the border seeking asylum, we expect to only go up.

00:34:57.000 Now, Greg Abbott is sending busloads of illegals to D.C. 1.00

00:35:01.000 I don't think it's enough.

00:35:02.000 I think it's kind of weak, but I will give Greg Abbott credit for this.

00:35:04.000 He did force the hand of this mayor to mobilize the National Guard, and it's now creating this national media crisis.

00:35:11.000 So I will give him credit for that.

00:35:13.000 But if Muriel Bowser can nationalize the National Guard or use the National Guard to clean up illegals, why can't Greg Abbott and Doug Ducey do that in Arizona and Texas? 1.00

00:35:23.000 Muriel Bowser is now showing more resolve in regards to deploying the Guard than most Republicans.

00:35:28.000 Why?

00:35:29.000 Because Washington, D.C. is the sandbox for the world's elite.

00:35:33.000 And now, all of a sudden, that there's a Nicaraguan near the basilica, or there's a Honduran in Georgetown, or there's a Mexican citizen that might be coming up asking you for money.

00:35:45.000 Muriel Bowser, get these people out of there.

00:35:47.000 You see, diversity is not actually our strength, according to the left.

00:35:50.000 Diversity is a soundbite, but they want their cities to remain all white. 1.00

00:35:54.000 And if you dare have a third world person come, like, no, no, no, you're only there to vote for me. 1.00

00:35:58.000 I don't actually want to see you.

00:36:02.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:04.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:07.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:36:08.000 God bless.

00:36:11.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk dot com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 29, 2022

Trump’s Plan to Deconstruct the Deep State with Saurabh Sharma

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