The Charlie Kirk Show - Trump’s Salvo for Peace Against “Dictator” Zelenskyy

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, President Trump scolds Zelensky in public.

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00:01:36.000 I want to get right into the breaking news.

00:01:39.000 President Donald Trump sends a truth social and he is sending the world a message.

00:01:46.000 The gravy train is out ending.

00:01:48.000 Since the beginning, we have been very clear on this program that it is not America's role to get involved in the Russian-Ukrainian dispute.

00:01:58.000 From the very beginning, we looked at the cost and the consequences about how good this could destabilize an entire continent that could destroy the U.S. dollar.

00:02:08.000 That could bring us closer and closer to needless nuclear war.

00:02:13.000 It was the conventional wisdom back in 2022 at the outbreak of the war.

00:02:23.000 It was the conventional wisdom that we must fight Russia.

00:02:27.000 We must fight Russia. 0.89

00:02:29.000 I actually went to CPAC three years ago.

00:02:33.000 And said, no, it was written up everywhere.

00:02:35.000 I said that our leaders should care more about the southern border than the Ukrainian border.

00:02:38.000 I was attacked as being insensitive, cruel.

00:02:42.000 In reality, we were just putting America first.

00:02:46.000 99% of the people in our audience were against us.

00:02:50.000 It was by far the most unpopular stand that we've ever taken.

00:02:55.000 And I knew we were right.

00:02:56.000 At our core, I knew we were right.

00:02:57.000 It has been one of the most interesting things to see how the audience moved.

00:03:01.000 Throughout the months, we'd be getting Ukrainian flags sent to us in email chains.

00:03:07.000 People saying, we must fight the Russians.

00:03:09.000 Now our audience is 99% against it.

00:03:12.000 It has been one of the most remarkable changes and shifts.

00:03:16.000 And honestly, credit to those of you that did change your mind.

00:03:18.000 Credit to those of you that realize the scam that is the Ukrainian conflict. 0.85

00:03:25.000 And those of you that were in that 1%, you helped move the Overton window.

00:03:30.000 You held the line.

00:03:31.000 You held your elected leaders to a higher standard.

00:03:34.000 And someone who deserves a lot of credit is Tucker Carlson.

00:03:38.000 Tucker Carlson, more than almost anybody else, deserves credit for his courage and his moral clarity on this conflict from the very beginning.

00:03:47.000 Asking the right questions.

00:03:49.000 Framing the conflict correctly.

00:03:51.000 And now today, the American people are exhausted with sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine.

00:03:58.000 Remember, we had lawmakers on this program, one of whom I have a lot of respect for, North Dakota's own Senator Kramer.

00:04:04.000 Again, he's a great man.

00:04:06.000 We talk frequently.

00:04:07.000 We just are completely different sides of this topic.

00:04:09.000 This is not about anything personal with Senator Kramer.

00:04:12.000 He was very polite when he came on the show.

00:04:14.000 But he said on this program that there would be no limit to the amount of money that we'd be sent to Ukraine.

00:04:18.000 Apparently, he was right. 0.97

00:04:20.000 Over $300 to $350 billion that we have spent on what?

00:04:25.000 So that over a million people could be died to subsidize the slaughter of entire generations of Ukrainians? 0.98

00:04:31.000 President Trump just posted this on Truth Social.

00:04:34.000 It is breaking news live here on this program.

00:04:36.000 And I'm going to read the entire thing word for word.

00:04:39.000 President Trump is the peace president.

00:04:40.000 What he is doing is going to make the world a better, more stable place.

00:04:45.000 Joe Biden was barreling us blindly towards a world war.

00:04:50.000 Donald Trump writes on Truth Social, quote, think of it.

00:04:53.000 A modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelensky, talked the United States of America into spending $350 billion to go into a war that couldn't be won, that never had to start, but a war that he, without the U.S. and Trump, will never be able to settle.

00:05:11.000 Let me pause.

00:05:11.000 Him calling him a modestly successful comedian means that President Trump is irked at Zelensky.

00:05:19.000 You see, Zelensky wants to keep the war going.

00:05:21.000 Zelensky does not have a loyalty to his people.

00:05:24.000 Zelensky is captured by ultra-radical Ukrainian nationalists that refuse to ever negotiate with the Russian government.

00:05:32.000 There was a deal on the table a week into the conflict that was being brokered in Istanbul, Turkey.

00:05:40.000 Boris Johnson was there.

00:05:42.000 Tony Blinken was there.

00:05:43.000 Sergei Lavrov was there.

00:05:45.000 The Russian foreign minister was there.

00:05:46.000 and a deal could have been brokered one week into the conflict that would have given Ukraine more land than they would currently get right now and a million people would not have died.

00:05:56.000 The United States has spent $200 billion more than Europe and Europe's money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back.

00:06:04.000 Why didn't sleepy Joe Biden demand equalization in that this war is far more important to Europe than it is to us?

00:06:12.000 We have a big, beautiful ocean of separation.

00:06:16.000 This is exactly right.

00:06:17.000 Europe, why don't you guys step up?

00:06:19.000 Oh, because the same Europeans that were clamoring... 0.99

00:06:22.000 And rebuking J.D. Vance are the ones that want us to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on their defense.

00:06:29.000 So they want us to be able to subsidize their European social welfare democracies, even though they're censoring their own citizens, even though Germany is looking far more like Russia than even Russia is.

00:06:42.000 Europe did not step up to the plate because they want America to fight the fight for them.

00:06:48.000 On top of this, Zelensky.

00:06:50.000 Admits that half of the money we sent is missing.

00:06:53.000 He refuses to have elections and is very low in Ukrainian polls.

00:06:59.000 And the only thing he was good at was playing Biden like a fiddle.

00:07:02.000 A dictator without elections.

00:07:04.000 Woo! 0.99

00:07:07.000 Trump is calling Zelensky a dictator?

00:07:09.000 Yeah, I mean, he refuses to have an election.

00:07:12.000 Let's press pause here.

00:07:14.000 You might say it's the midst of a war.

00:07:15.000 Who could have an election?

00:07:17.000 Abraham Lincoln.

00:07:18.000 Had an election in the midst of an American Civil War.

00:07:21.000 Franklin Delano Roosevelt had elections in the midst of a World War.

00:07:26.000 We had elections in the midst of World War I. Leaders who are illegitimate suspend Democrat means and norms to hold on to power.

00:07:35.000 They could easily have an election right now.

00:07:37.000 Easily.

00:07:39.000 Zelensky better move fast or he's not going to have a country left.

00:07:43.000 In the meantime, we are successfully negotiating an end.

00:07:47.000 To the war with Russia.

00:07:49.000 Something, I'll admit, only Trump and the Trump administration can do.

00:07:53.000 Biden never tried.

00:07:55.000 Europe has failed to bring peace, and Zelensky probably wants to keep the gravy train going.

00:08:01.000 I love Ukraine, which is very important that Trump says that, but Zelensky has done a terrible job.

00:08:06.000 His country is shattered, and millions have unnecessarily died, and so it continues.

00:08:11.000 So let me translate all of this.

00:08:13.000 This is President Trump.

00:08:14.000 With a public salvo, because I guarantee you President Trump has been trying to get Zelensky's attention privately, because President Trump is not just opposing Zelensky.

00:08:24.000 This is President Trump scolding his own intelligence department.

00:08:29.000 The CIA deep state, they are the ones that have been puppeteering Zelensky for this entire time.

00:08:34.000 They are the ones that have been configuring this entire conflict.

00:08:38.000 And the power of...

00:08:40.000 Public scolding like this is, you better get in line or else I'm going to go do a deal with the Russians. 0.98

00:08:45.000 The Ukrainians are getting mad that there might be an end of the war.

00:08:50.000 Think about that.

00:08:51.000 They're getting mad that this war might actually end.

00:08:55.000 President Trump ran on the idea of preventing World War III and preventing a nuclear conflict.

00:09:04.000 And President Trump says very clearly, he's a dictator.

00:09:08.000 He's acting like a dictator?

00:09:09.000 Absolutely.

00:09:11.000 So the significance of this entire statement is, we are going to find a settlement to this war, whether Zelensky wants it or not.

00:09:19.000 He does not have a say in this matter anymore.

00:09:21.000 Ukraine operates solely thanks to the subsidy of the American government.

00:09:26.000 And God bless President Trump for just toning out all of the clamoring from people like Tom Cotton, people like...

00:09:37.000 Liz Cheney, they all want this war to continue.

00:09:41.000 Yet President Trump says, no, I'm not going to listen to the neocons of the U.S. Senate.

00:09:47.000 Washington wants forever wars.

00:09:50.000 Joni Ernst, these guardians of the forever war machine.

00:09:55.000 The same people who let Afghanistan last 20 years want another 20-year war. 0.75

00:10:00.000 Trump wants peace.

00:10:01.000 And this is him warning everybody, peace is coming.

00:10:05.000 So get on our side.

00:10:07.000 Or peace is going to be stuffed down your throat, Mr. Modestly Successful Comedian named Zelensky.

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00:11:15.000 I want to add one more thing to this Zelensky topic, which is that the intel agencies are on defense right now.

00:11:24.000 President Trump doing this puts them on defense.

00:11:27.000 It puts them on their heels.

00:11:28.000 The Central Intelligence Agency, the workings of the international intelligence community, Five Eyes, the deep state is squirming.

00:11:37.000 They want permanent forever war with no end in sight.

00:11:41.000 And if you even ask them a crisply delivered question, Why do we hate Russia?

00:11:46.000 I can't say that.

00:11:47.000 Why are we at war with Russia?

00:11:49.000 They can't answer that.

00:11:51.000 President Trump calls Zelensky a dictator without elections.

00:11:56.000 He's right.

00:11:57.000 Zelensky refuses to face his own people. 0.96

00:12:01.000 If Zelensky was super popular, why doesn't he have an election?

00:12:05.000 Abraham Lincoln did.

00:12:06.000 Maybe because he's not popular.

00:12:08.000 What he's doing is destroying the great Ukrainian people.

00:12:14.000 For no reason whatsoever.

00:12:16.000 Email us, freedom at charliekirk.com, and subscribe to our podcast.

00:12:20.000 Joining us now is great patriot Brett Galaszewski, vice chair of the Republican Party Milwaukee, but more important, Turning Point Action National Enterprise Director.

00:12:31.000 Brett, welcome to the program.

00:12:33.000 Everyone check out tpaction.com slash 100. Brett, educate our audience of what the significance of what's happening in Wisconsin.

00:12:40.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:12:41.000 Great to be on here again.

00:12:41.000 Really appreciate you having me.

00:12:43.000 Glad that I get to talk about this mission-critical opportunity that we have on our hands here in Wisconsin.

00:12:49.000 You know, it was almost two years ago to the day that I sat on this show and I talked about how Wisconsin was desperately hanging on to a 4-3 conservative majority of our Supreme Court and that losing control of our court could have detrimental effects going forward.

00:13:03.000 We ultimately lost that race in 2023, and we lost that conservative common sense control, and we saw a domino effect of things spiral out of control from there.

00:13:13.000 The court immediately redrew the legislative maps, which lost us 10 assembly seats.

00:13:18.000 Four state Senate seats.

00:13:19.000 They reversed Act 10, which was a big collective bargaining win of the Scott Walker Republican Governor Administration some 15 years ago.

00:13:26.000 Thought that that would never get walked back.

00:13:28.000 And then the court ultimately reinstated drop boxes.

00:13:31.000 So you saw huge national implications out of little old Wisconsin these last two years out of losing our conservatives.

00:13:40.000 But we have another opportunity on our hands to retake the court back on April 1st.

00:13:45.000 A conservative named Brad Schimmel is running in our Wisconsin Supreme Court race, and we have a unique opportunity on our hands to retake our state.

00:13:53.000 So yeah, let's go through this.

00:13:56.000 So the significance could result in more congressional seats, voting practices.

00:14:01.000 I mean, this is the balance of the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

00:14:04.000 When is the election again?

00:14:06.000 So the election is April 1st, so it's coming up really quickly here, some five or six weeks from now.

00:14:11.000 And the scary part is that we've only scratched the surface of what a liberal Supreme Court could do here in Wisconsin.

00:14:18.000 Adding a liberal reinforcement on this court could open the door even wider to what the left has made very clear that they want to do in Wisconsin, and that is ultimately scrap voter ID laws.

00:14:28.000 This is a 10-year term on the line.

00:14:30.000 We won't have another shot at gaining a conservative seat again in Wisconsin until 2029. That's the next time that someone's term is up.

00:14:38.000 You saw what states that didn't have voter ID were doing in 2024. They were still counting votes like yesterday.

00:14:44.000 So we cannot afford to have voter ID taken away in a top three swing state because this could potentially remove Wisconsin from the electoral map in 2028, meaning that J.D. Vance or whoever it is that's running as the Republican nominee for president in 2028 may not have a path to victory with Wisconsin out of play.

00:15:03.000 This would force us to pick up a state like New Hampshire, Virginia, New Mexico.

00:15:06.000 And I'm not saying that that's attainable.

00:15:08.000 I'm saying that that makes our path a little bit more uphill.

00:15:11.000 It's the left's dream.

00:15:12.000 It's locking down one of the blue wall states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.

00:15:16.000 And we saw what kind of impact Wisconsin had on our ability to get 270 on election night in this past fall.

00:15:22.000 So, Brett, talk about how we are announcing Commit 100 and what that is going to do at Turning Point Action will hopefully help make a difference here.

00:15:30.000 Well, so this is a turnout election like we've ever seen before.

00:15:33.000 In 2022, turnout was a little over 36% statewide, so a little over one in three people actually voted in the last election.

00:15:41.000 We for sure need to see turnout get on the other side of 40%.

00:15:44.000 Our data alone identifies a little over 57,000 conservatives in Milwaukee County alone that are slated to sit this one out.

00:15:53.000 Conservative voters that are slated to sit this one out unless we go out and chase those votes between now and in.

00:16:03.000 It's designed for people who see what's going on in Wisconsin or watch shows like this and want to get involved in some way or another.

00:16:10.000 It's designed for people to own their own neighborhoods here in Wisconsin, for people in other states, if you're listening in a state like Illinois, like Alabama, all over the country, who are hearing about this race having national implications on 2028 and want to directly help in that effort.

00:16:24.000 So when somebody signs up on tpaction.com slash 100, which I see we...

00:16:29.000 We have on the bottom of the screen.

00:16:30.000 That's great.

00:16:30.000 You are assigned a list of 100 conservative voters, what we call low propensity or disengaged conservatives, likely conservatives that will not turn out in the spring off your election unless we're chasing them.

00:16:43.000 And you can go knock on those doors and essentially hyper-target your efforts down to those 100 people, essentially maximizing your reach with those people.

00:16:50.000 If you're from out of state, this allows you to remotely make contact with those 100 voters in Wisconsin, give them a call, shoot them a text, write them a postcard, which you'll have the ability to do on our TP Action app, which is wonderful if you haven't downloaded it yet already.

00:17:05.000 And for those that want to take it to the next level and physically come to Wisconsin and chase those votes in person, we'll put you in a hotel for as long as you want to be here so you can go and chase ballots with us.

00:17:17.000 This worked like a well-oiled machine in 2024.

00:17:19.000 It really put the finishing touches on our effort to get President Trump across the finish line here in Wisconsin.

00:17:24.000 We had literal hundreds of people come from out of state.

00:17:27.000 States like Illinois, where an hour of conservative activism isn't nearly going to have the impact that an hour of conservative activism in Wisconsin will have.

00:17:35.000 We'll train you, we'll put you in a nice hotel, and we'll help you chase your 100 votes.

00:17:40.000 tpaction.com slash 100. Great work, Brett.

00:17:43.000 Everyone check out that website, tpaction.com slash 100.

00:17:46.000 Brett, we'll have you on again soon.

00:17:48.000 We see it all the time when I visit college campuses.

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00:18:52.000 Joining us now is Michael Knowles from The Michael Knowles Show.

00:18:55.000 Michael, welcome to the program.

00:18:57.000 We have much to discuss, but I do want to talk to you about how we both went on this program, Jubilee, otherwise known as the Woke Firing Squad.

00:19:08.000 Michael, tell us all about it.

00:19:09.000 So I saw that you had done it.

00:19:12.000 I know Ben had done it.

00:19:13.000 You know, the show seemed to come out of nowhere.

00:19:15.000 And they called me up and asked me if I would like to...

00:19:23.000 And I said, well, that sounds delightful.

00:19:25.000 Why not?

00:19:25.000 I haven't had enough death threats recently, so why not?

00:19:28.000 And I flew out to LA. We chatted for, I don't know, two hours or something.

00:19:33.000 And what was most astounding to me was at the end of all of these debates, I don't think they raised particularly strong arguments.

00:19:41.000 It was unfair in the sense that...

00:19:44.000 Their view of human nature is not grounded in reality, so it's going to be an uphill battle in any case.

00:19:49.000 But I did enjoy chatting with a lot of them.

00:19:51.000 And when we got to the end of the show, there was kind of a post-game interview, and they said, well, what did you think of it?

00:19:55.000 And I said, I really enjoyed the format.

00:19:57.000 It was nice that I could take on as many of these people with the best arguments that they could possibly come up with.

00:20:03.000 And I really enjoyed it, and I hope I persuaded some of them.

00:20:05.000 But anyway, you know, their mileage may vary.

00:20:07.000 And then they interviewed them. 0.98

00:20:09.000 And almost to a man, they said, Knowles is evil, he's a Nazi, he's terrible. 0.98

00:20:15.000 Talking to him was the most horrific experience of my life. 0.96

00:20:18.000 I thought, why are they so angry?

00:20:20.000 You know, I don't know.

00:20:21.000 It seems to me, and I saw this in your episode on Jubilee too, the side that is grounded, calm, generally amiable, willing to listen to the other side, doesn't get all riled up and start screaming and calling people names, usually in a debate, that's the side that has the stronger argument.

00:20:40.000 The format is rather unusual.

00:20:42.000 So just for anyone who has not seen this, again, we did this back in August.

00:20:46.000 I think we were the first of this new genre.

00:20:49.000 Ours got 26 million YouTube views, hundreds of millions of views online, and it was like a nuclear bomb for many reasons, one of which was that one of the debatees wished harm upon me and my family.

00:21:02.000 Sweet people.

00:21:03.000 But I want to just give people a little bit of a taste of just the type of debate that this is.

00:21:10.000 And I just want to reiterate one very important thing, that it is one person on 25.

00:21:15.000 So they are able to interject at any time.

00:21:19.000 They're able to come in at any time they want and raise their flag.

00:21:23.000 So let's watch Michael's first, and then we'll watch some of mine.

00:21:26.000 Michael at 158 with Emily in Paris.

00:21:31.000 What does transgenderism in public look like to you?

00:21:35.000 It's allowing men to be treated for the purposes of the law as women. 1.00

00:21:39.000 It's men taking 900 sports trophies from women in recent years.

00:21:43.000 They didn't take 900?

00:21:44.000 They took 900. There's a report just came out from the United Nations, actually.

00:21:48.000 890 trophies and medals across 600 women who were competing, competitors, across 29 different sports and 400 competitions.

00:21:56.000 That came out like yesterday.

00:21:57.000 And they deserved them.

00:21:59.000 It didn't happen, and they deserve them.

00:22:01.000 Okay, that is the logic I hear from the pro-trans crowd.

00:22:04.000 Thank you.

00:22:04.000 They do deserve that.

00:22:06.000 It's not happening, but it's good that it is.

00:22:08.000 She actually did the meme, or he, I guess, actually did the meme.

00:22:11.000 Oh, was that a tranny? 1.00

00:22:12.000 I didn't know. 0.89

00:22:13.000 The reason I say sometimes, you know, camouflage pulls it off, but I was thinking to myself, actually, I think that's an imposter, as the tranny was talking. 1.00

00:22:23.000 You know, generally speaking, you can kind of tell.

00:22:26.000 There was another character during this debate.

00:22:29.000 A fella goes by the name of Blossom, and he was a very large, hulking man, but he had a wig on and everything. 0.65

00:22:35.000 And the notion that one would not be able to tell from the shoulders and being like six foot four or whatever, you know, is kind of silly.

00:22:43.000 But that person actually did the meme, which it's not just the LGBTQ activists, but it's the left broadly does, which is they will say, such and such that you're claiming is not happening.

00:22:54.000 And then you provide all of the evidence.

00:22:57.000 It's the celebration parallax is what it is.

00:22:59.000 The celebration parallax is Michael Anton calls it.

00:23:01.000 That's right.

00:23:02.000 And they'll say, well, no, actually, okay, now that I'm observing it, it's good that it's happening.

00:23:06.000 And so there's something really funny about this format, which is I think that person was voted out pretty quickly after that exchange.

00:23:14.000 But there was one guy in particular.

00:23:17.000 Really just one guy of these 25 who I thought was pretty good.

00:23:21.000 He was at least engaging with the arguments on a more serious philosophical and anthropological level.

00:23:27.000 I thought, oh, interesting.

00:23:27.000 I could really have a conversation with this guy.

00:23:29.000 Mason?

00:23:30.000 And of course that guy got voted out in like five seconds.

00:23:32.000 Was it Mason?

00:23:34.000 I think he was in mine as well.

00:23:35.000 No.

00:23:36.000 No, that guy Mason, I felt he was not making very good arguments in either yours or in mine.

00:23:43.000 There was this other guy, he was a nice enough kid, but he barely appeared in the episode.

00:23:50.000 That guy Mason, I felt he made a big, big mistake, which is he was rude from the beginning, and so he wasn't winning over the audience, or certainly wasn't winning over me.

00:23:59.000 But he also made the big mistake, which is he started...

00:24:03.000 Talking about something that he obviously knew nothing about.

00:24:07.000 And you know this, Joe.

00:24:08.000 You've done a bazillion debates in your life.

00:24:10.000 You know that when you raise a point in a debate, you better have a good three or four paragraphs to back it up.

00:24:17.000 If you don't, you get totally shut down, as unfortunately for him, happens to him in our exchange.

00:24:24.000 So, I want to just give people a little taste from my dialogue.

00:24:28.000 This is a good version of them being shocked, and I hope you guys understand.

00:24:31.000 This is one on 25. I have to keep on repeating it.

00:24:33.000 It's exhausting, because they're able to think about their best argument.

00:24:37.000 Now, mind you, I had, I don't want to say professional debaters, but it was very, these are Jubilee.

00:24:43.000 They're a little tricky, a little tricky.

00:24:44.000 Because they're like, oh, you're going to be debating college kids.

00:24:46.000 Okay, that's sort of true, but some of these kids are like...

00:24:50.000 All they do is go on TikTok and yell at people all day long.

00:24:53.000 So they're a little bit more elevated.

00:24:55.000 So it's like hive mind against one person.

00:24:58.000 So as soon as you win one debate, another person comes in.

00:25:01.000 And you win one, another person comes in.

00:25:03.000 This is 156. So I want to make a quick point.

00:25:07.000 You're right.

00:25:07.000 Black Americans are in prison far greater than a percentage of the population.

00:25:10.000 So black Americans are about 13 to 14 percent of the population. 0.91

00:25:13.000 Yes. 0.94

00:25:13.000 About half of all prisoners are black. 0.94

00:25:15.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:25:15.000 So blacks commit more crimes than whites do. 1.00

00:25:17.000 They commit more murders. 1.00

00:25:18.000 They commit more arsons.

00:25:19.000 They commit more kidnappings. 0.99

00:25:21.000 For example, blacks are 13 percent of the population and they commit 58 percent of all the murders. 1.00

00:25:25.000 That's not a war on drugs. 0.99

00:25:26.000 That's a culture problem.

00:25:27.000 And, I mean, they just lose it.

00:25:29.000 I think you're totally right about the hive mind aspect here because they're going to come in and what they're going to try to hit you on is some statistic.

00:25:37.000 And being a conservative, I think statistics are basically bunk and not really worth bringing up all that often.

00:25:45.000 But you have to bring them up because in modern culture, people think that that's what debates consist of.

00:25:50.000 So you need to go in there with a slew of studies and numbers and statistics.

00:25:55.000 But what's crazy about it, Charlie, is you saw this in your debate.

00:25:58.000 I think you definitely saw it in my debate because we were debating really just human nature.

00:26:03.000 You don't really need a dozen statistics to know that a boy can't become a girl, okay?

00:26:07.000 You don't really need a dozen statistics to know that it's good to enforce the law or that babies are babies and we should protect them.

00:26:13.000 Ultimately, a lot of this comes down to common sense, first principles of practical reason, and basic philosophical intuitions, which unfortunately elude a lot of these people, even if they are professional debaters in some cases, they have not been trained.

00:26:27.000 Not just in debate and rhetoric, but even in epistemology, even how to know things about anything.

00:26:34.000 And so I feel it's actually, people say it's an unfair fight because it's 25 versus 1. But if you're a conservative who has any kind of grounding at all, it might be unfair in the other direction.

00:26:45.000 What did you learn more broadly about left-wing Gen Z by doing this?

00:26:52.000 I mean, you do a lot of campus stuff.

00:26:54.000 I do a lot of campus stuff.

00:26:56.000 I'll tell you what I learned after doing this.

00:27:00.000 I know how shallow they are, but how comfortable they are in their shallow political ideology.

00:27:08.000 They have intentionally not decided to deepen their understanding.

00:27:13.000 And so remarkably intolerant of anyone that might have a different opinion.

00:27:19.000 All of that's true.

00:27:20.000 Certainly, we've seen that happening for years.

00:27:22.000 We know that the quality of education these days is a little bit weak at all the schools.

00:27:27.000 However, there's another insight, a really traditional insight from our civilization and from Christianity that comes out, which is that sin darkens the intellect.

00:27:38.000 When you engage in sin and vice... 0.98

00:27:41.000 It actually makes you dumber than you otherwise would be. 0.93

00:27:44.000 And this is something we all have to watch out for because we all sin, so you got to be careful of it. 0.99

00:27:48.000 But for a grown man to show up on television or the internet or just broadly on camera with a big wig on talking about his sexual desires and bizarre sexual practices.

00:28:00.000 That is a crazy thing to do.

00:28:02.000 That is humiliating for the individual and he shouldn't do it.

00:28:05.000 And the kinds of arguments that I found they were making basically came down to, hey, I really like this thing.

00:28:12.000 Or, hey, I have emotional problems.

00:28:14.000 Or, hey, I was really angry at my family growing up or something.

00:28:17.000 And so I have a great deal of sympathy for people, but it's just, it's evidence that they've lost control of their reason.

00:28:23.000 And the whole point of education is to take your appetites.

00:28:27.000 We all have kind of weird appetites sometimes.

00:28:29.000 It's a fallen world.

00:28:30.000 To bring those under the command of your reason.

00:28:32.000 So you say, no, I'm not going to eat the fifth cookie from the cookie jar.

00:28:35.000 That's not going to be good.

00:28:36.000 I want it in some ways, but it won't be good for me to eat that.

00:28:39.000 No, I'm not going to do that kind of...

00:28:41.000 Weird behavior that's being encouraged by our society.

00:28:43.000 But unfortunately, modern education tells you the opposite.

00:28:47.000 It says, hey, if it feels good, do it.

00:28:48.000 If you have any appetite at all, indulge it.

00:28:51.000 Forget about reason.

00:28:52.000 There's no such thing as objective truth.

00:28:54.000 There's no such thing as objective reality. 0.93

00:28:55.000 And it leaves these people ultimately not just looking foolish in a debate against some conservative, but it leaves them very sad. 0.86

00:29:03.000 I walked into that room. 0.96

00:29:04.000 I had a nice time.

00:29:05.000 I actually enjoyed speaking to the people, even the ones who were rude.

00:29:08.000 They walked out of that room.

00:29:10.000 By their own admission, angry, sad, probably some of them wishing violence upon me, openly wishing violence upon you, that's not good.

00:29:18.000 That's not a good way to live.

00:29:20.000 And if you're constantly furious and angry and just butting your head up against reality, it probably means that something in your ideology is a little bit wrong.

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00:30:42.000 Okay, everybody, let's play some more of Mr. Knowles with the linebacker.

00:30:47.000 Play Cut 160. How are you going to get people to stop being trans? 0.99

00:30:51.000 I think we're going to tell boys that they're not girls.

00:30:54.000 So we're going to tell boys that they're not girls, that they're going to listen. 0.99

00:30:57.000 Yeah, basically.

00:30:58.000 Really?

00:30:58.000 Yeah.

00:30:58.000 That's what we've done for most of history.

00:31:00.000 That happened to me, and I can promise you to God that I didn't listen.

00:31:04.000 Yeah, well, because we live at a time that is affirming the transgender delusion. 1.00

00:31:08.000 But if we lived at a more sensible time, probably you would have listened.

00:31:11.000 But we're not.

00:31:12.000 And I think we should just return to a more sensible kind of politics.

00:31:15.000 But you're not giving a solution on how you would even be capable of doing something like that.

00:31:19.000 Yeah, I think we kicked the fellas out of the boys' bathroom. 1.00

00:31:20.000 We kicked the transgender teaching out of schools. 1.00

00:31:22.000 How are you going to do that?

00:31:23.000 We just enforced the law as it was before 2015. Michael?

00:31:27.000 I think it's really as simple as that.

00:31:29.000 Not everything has to be really complicated.

00:31:31.000 And you could hear there from that interlocutor and really from a ton of the people on the Jubilee debate.

00:31:37.000 They ask you a question, you give them a simple answer, and then they accuse you of not having answered the question.

00:31:42.000 And it's really because they don't want that answer.

00:31:45.000 But I think what's really most jarring to them, especially on this issue, is how recently all of this has taken place.

00:31:54.000 A lot of them seem unaware.

00:31:56.000 That in the late part of Barack Obama's first term, he held the view of marriage that everyone has held for all of human history, namely that it involves a man and a woman, both of them together.

00:32:08.000 They don't seem aware that until June of 2016, trans-identifying people...

00:32:14.000 We're not permitted in the U.S. military.

00:32:16.000 Of course not.

00:32:17.000 It's contrary to reality.

00:32:18.000 It shows that they've got some psychological problems.

00:32:21.000 It's not good for military fitness.

00:32:22.000 They don't seem to realize that until the 2016 election cycle, there wasn't a big blow-up fight over bathrooms and some big push from the left to send men into the girls' bathroom.

00:32:33.000 They don't understand how recently this is.

00:32:36.000 I guess my question for all of them...

00:32:38.000 Is one of the basic conservative objections to all of modern liberalism, which is, hey, if statistically everyone everywhere for all of history has thought a certain thing about human nature, isn't there a decent chance they were right?

00:32:54.000 You know, if you and like five of your friends think the opposite, isn't there just a, isn't it more likely that everyone else was right?

00:33:01.000 I don't know.

00:33:02.000 That seems persuasive to me.

00:33:03.000 Maybe not to them.

00:33:04.000 One more I want to play here, which is just delicious.

00:33:07.000 Let's play cut 161. Hi.

00:33:10.000 Hello.

00:33:10.000 Blossom.

00:33:11.000 She, her, hers powerhouse.

00:33:13.000 Blossom powerhouse.

00:33:14.000 Lovely to meet you.

00:33:15.000 Yes.

00:33:16.000 Go ahead.

00:33:17.000 I want to know your ideology around transgenderism, something that doesn't exist.

00:33:22.000 It just sounds more like conservative propaganda.

00:33:24.000 So I kind of want to know a little bit more about what you're trying to communicate.

00:33:28.000 Okay.

00:33:28.000 I think for all of history everywhere, people have understood the human person to have something to do with his body.

00:33:36.000 So, like, your body has something to do with who you are.

00:33:39.000 Now, there is an alternative view, which is called Gnosticism.

00:33:42.000 It's a view that our bodies don't really have anything to do with who we are, that the body is maybe even evil, and that our true selves have no connection to our bodies.

00:33:50.000 And I see in the transgender ideology a kind of Gnosticism that says that you could look like a man, you could have a man's genetics, you could have a man's genitals, you could have a man's everything, but if you feel on some deep level that you're really a woman, then you are really a woman. 0.94

00:34:05.000 I don't think that's true.

00:34:07.000 And I think that the social effects of that are really bad because it leads to the depriving women of their legitimate rights. 0.84

00:34:15.000 In some cases, it leads to rapes, notably in the last few years.

00:34:18.000 And it also leads to women losing their sports competitions and their scholarships. 0.56

00:34:23.000 And it's just disordered and false.

00:34:25.000 And it also leads to more people adopting this identity, which leads to very high rates of anxiety, depression, and suicide.

00:34:31.000 So it's bad for everyone, and it's not grounded in reality.

00:34:34.000 That guy was awfully intimidating.

00:34:37.000 You know, I'm not physically the largest guy in the world.

00:34:41.000 I suppose he could have just, like, thrown me down onto the pavement.

00:34:44.000 But I felt that...

00:34:47.000 That wouldn't have been ladylike, Michael.

00:34:49.000 That would not have been ladylike.

00:34:50.000 It would have undercut his argument that he was a lady. 0.73

00:34:54.000 Right after that clip, the first response that guy made was, he said, oh, you have no idea what you're talking about.

00:34:59.000 You don't even understand the words you're saying.

00:35:01.000 And I thought, you know, look, man, you could disagree.

00:35:04.000 You could try to disagree with what I'm saying about human nature.

00:35:07.000 I think it would be difficult.

00:35:08.000 But you can't tell me that I haven't articulated a view here, okay?

00:35:12.000 And I think for much of the modern left, it's clear enough for us, who have some familiarity with history and how people have understood human nature, it's clear enough to us to say, oh, you're really denying that there's a connection between identity and the body.

00:35:26.000 And then paradoxically, you're actually going in later and insisting that you mutilate the body to be more closely in line with your fantasy of how you really are or whatever.

00:35:34.000 And there's a name for that.

00:35:36.000 It's a Gnostic ideology.

00:35:37.000 There have been many instances of it throughout history.

00:35:39.000 But that's what's going on.

00:35:40.000 And I think for them, Oh, thank you.

00:35:43.000 Did not appreciate that.

00:35:45.000 Blossom did not think it was a profound point.

00:35:47.000 And I suspect it's because where they're coming at this is not through a critical examination of human nature.

00:35:52.000 What they're coming at this from is saying, look, I want to do this.

00:35:55.000 I have this hang-up.

00:35:56.000 Of course.

00:35:57.000 And I get it.

00:35:58.000 I don't think Blossom could spell Gnosticism.

00:36:00.000 I don't think they get the first letter right.

00:36:02.000 Okay?

00:36:03.000 Very good, Michael Knowles.

00:36:04.000 See you soon.

00:36:05.000 Thank you.

00:36:06.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:07.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:10.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 19, 2025

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