The Charlie Kirk Show - Tucker Carlson, Debate Host? with Darren Beattie and Riley Gaines

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:02.000 This is Andrew Colvett filling in once again for the great Charlie Kirk, who is out on assignment this week.

00:00:07.000 We talk with the great, courageous, brave Riley Gaines, who's having a tremendous legislative impact across the country.

00:00:15.000 We also get her take on some of these, let's just say, not so nice former feminists that now support men over women, like Megan Rapinoe and others.

00:00:26.000 Brittany Greiner. 1.00

00:00:27.000 Oh, gosh, you're going to hear that clip in this episode.

00:00:31.000 We also talk with Darren Beattie.

00:00:32.000 We unpack the Tucker saga like nobody else is doing.

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00:00:38.000 We got all the inside baseball for you.

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00:00:40.000 We hear the rumors and we lay them down here for you.

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00:01:28.000 Darren, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:30.000 Fantastic to be with you.

00:01:32.000 Yeah, we're honored to have you.

00:01:34.000 One of the regulars on the Charlie Kirk Show, you are, you provide some of the best analysis.

00:01:40.000 That's why we keep having you back.

00:01:41.000 And Revolver.news is just getting stronger and better every single day.

00:01:45.000 So congratulations on that.

00:01:46.000 I want to talk about, we ended the last hour, Darren, talking about this newly released clip of Tucker Carlson, you know, behind the scenes, Media Matters for America, gets the clip.

00:01:57.000 And once again, it just seems to make him stronger, make him look more likable, better.

00:02:01.000 He's talking about, he's talking about pronouns in your Twitter bio, which I think our audience, based on the mountain of emails we just received, literally hundreds of emails saying, yeah, we support Tucker.

00:02:14.000 We love him even more now that we've seen this clip.

00:02:17.000 You had a piece in Revolver.

00:02:20.000 Checkmate Fox News, why Tucker Carlson is the perfect choice to host the GOP presidential debates.

00:02:26.000 Now, this is the other storyline that is kind of circulating around.

00:02:30.000 I think Washington Post broke the first story, and I think it's genius.

00:02:36.000 You know, Charlie, Turning Point USA, they've had a great relationship with Fox News for many years.

00:02:41.000 But this is a new era, is it not, Darren?

00:02:44.000 What is happening?

00:02:45.000 And why do you think this is checkmate for Tucker Carlson?

00:02:49.000 Well, it's a brilliant move along a number of different dimensions.

00:02:54.000 I mean, there's so much going on here from the kind of particular aspect of Tucker Carlson versus Fox News.

00:03:02.000 And then there's the most important element, which is sort of Americans being exposed to the kind of information they need in order to make informed decisions about critical issues.

00:03:12.000 And so these two elements really converge in Tucker potentially hosting this debate with Fox.

00:03:22.000 Now, I think it's this piece from Revolver.news, which has really gone white hot.

00:03:27.000 It's amazing how popular this piece is.

00:03:29.000 I think because the idea itself is so perfect and really struck a nerd with people because it just ticks all the boxes that you would want.

00:03:38.000 It's the ultimate way for Tucker to show Fox, I'm the guy.

00:03:43.000 I'm the star.

00:03:44.000 I'm the voice of the American people.

00:03:46.000 Because behind the scenes in all of this, and I don't want to dismiss Fox's perspective, because as cynical and loathsome as it is, it's not clear yet whether it's untrue.

00:03:59.000 But I'll tell you this: Fox believes that they are the star.

00:04:03.000 The network is the power.

00:04:05.000 And all the talent, even Tucker's talent, no matter how popular, no matter how beloved, is ultimately interchangeable. 0.99

00:04:14.000 Because the dumb, obedient cattle, the masses of Americans who are addicted to TV, they will keep coming back to the trough. 0.99

00:04:24.000 They'll keep lining up for another spoonful of cattle slop. 1.00

00:04:30.000 That's what Fox is counting on.

00:04:32.000 And that's why they think they have the leverage.

00:04:34.000 And they think, well, you know, people will be upset about Tucker for a while, but ultimately they'll come around because there's a lot of political stuff happening and people just won't be able to help themselves.

00:04:46.000 So Tucker can, of course, go and do his own thing.

00:04:50.000 He can do a digital thing.

00:04:51.000 It'll be immensely profitable for him.

00:04:54.000 He'll make more money there.

00:04:56.000 And in certain ways, I think he will have even more influence.

00:05:00.000 But I think it's important to be realistic.

00:05:04.000 No matter how much we want to prematurely pronounce the death of network television, there is still, for better or worse, I think worse, but we have to live in reality here.

00:05:17.000 There is still, for better or worse, a special kind of magic, a special legitimacy attached to prime time network television.

00:05:27.000 And I think to fully kind of analyze the special impact of what Tucker was, we have to appreciate the role of that prime time platform as a really significant force multiplier for Tucker's voice.

00:05:48.000 In fact, Megan Kelly put it great.

00:05:50.000 You know, Megan is actually, I'll be honest, a lot smarter than I gave her credit for.

00:05:55.000 When I hear her speaking in different types of venues, her analysis was spot on.

00:06:00.000 And it wasn't, you know, just catering to, because all the masses, they want to hear the people listening to this, they want to hear, oh, cable news is dead.

00:06:08.000 It's done.

00:06:09.000 It's irrelevant.

00:06:10.000 It's all digital now.

00:06:11.000 Now, it's way more true than it was five years ago, but it's not completely true.

00:06:17.000 And Megan illustrated it in the following.

00:06:19.000 She said, look, no matter how big a digital following is, Tucker Carlson's ability to get elected GOP officials and GOP hopefuls to sort of accommodate him, to want to please him, for them to be scared to death that he'll do a segment attacking him.

00:06:41.000 That kind of political influence that he wielded is very hard to imagine transferring into simply the digital sphere.

00:06:49.000 Even somebody like Rogan, who's probably the hottest person in media in many metrics, doesn't have the power to get politicians to bend to his will to please him in the way that Tucker had in his primetime slot.

00:07:02.000 So fast forward to the debate.

00:07:04.000 Here's why the debate is so brilliant: it recognizes this special quality and maybe the one area in which Tucker's influence might diminish, which is this critical comparative advantage of having influence over the political process.

00:07:20.000 For him to host the debate preserves that level of influence and it doubles down on it.

00:07:26.000 And it surpasses Fox.

00:07:28.000 If he can get Trump, and Trump is no friend of Fox News at this point, Fox News has stabbed him in the back a million times, and they intend to do so throughout the campaign, despite the fact that he's the clear frontrunner.

00:07:42.000 So if Trump says, forget this, I'm not doing a Fox debate, Tucker hosts the debate, and DeSantis is convinced that he can get a fair shake, which I think he would, you know, more than anyone.

00:07:55.000 I actually agree with that.

00:07:57.000 I will say that I think DeSantis and Tucker have communication.

00:08:01.000 You know, I've heard that through the grapefruit.

00:08:03.000 So there, and I do think there is a level of trust.

00:08:06.000 Get a fair shake and think about this: there's a debate with Tucker hosting it.

00:08:12.000 Trump is there.

00:08:13.000 DeSantis is there.

00:08:16.000 Tucker's not going in on Trump or in on DeSantis.

00:08:18.000 He's preserving this kind of elevated posture of, oh, I'm just, you know, asking both sides of the questions that the American people want answered.

00:08:27.000 It's such a win because people aren't going to be tuning into Fox News.

00:08:32.000 People are going to Tucker Carlson for a matter of critical importance pertaining to the future of the GOP and the future of the country.

00:08:40.000 So it's such a brilliant strategic move.

00:08:43.000 It's such an important move in order for the American people to have the questions answered that they actually want to be answered.

00:08:51.000 It just, as I said, it's one of those strategic moves that's just a checkmate.

00:08:58.000 It's all the way down.

00:08:59.000 Well, Darren, let me posit this idea.

00:09:01.000 This might be the only debate that both DeSantis and Trump might attend.

00:09:08.000 This could be the one.

00:09:10.000 I mean, because Trump has already said he's not happy with the RNC's process.

00:09:14.000 And by the way, going outside of the RNC is another power move, a big flex on all the people that are skeptical of the RNC under Rana's leadership.

00:09:23.000 I want to bring up one other point.

00:09:24.000 You're talking about network TV.

00:09:25.000 We've seen Trump now go to CNN to do his town hall.

00:09:30.000 A lot of people initially were saying negative things about it.

00:09:33.000 I saw a lot of chatter online.

00:09:34.000 Darren, is this not actually something that we could get behind?

00:09:38.000 There's a lot of chatter around CNN that they're trying to right the ship.

00:09:41.000 They're trying to come back to the middle.

00:09:43.000 Plus, to your point, Fox has stabbed Trump in the back multiple times.

00:09:47.000 Do you like this move?

00:09:49.000 Do you hate this move?

00:09:50.000 I like it a lot.

00:09:52.000 I welcome it enthusiastically.

00:09:53.000 And that's another one of these things.

00:09:55.000 You know, there are certain things that I think, you know, the base, the very engaged people who are really kind of active in the process.

00:10:04.000 And, you know, these are the great people.

00:10:06.000 You know, these are the people that really make things happen.

00:10:10.000 But sometimes they want to hear things that, you know, they want to hear, oh, CNN is so bad.

00:10:15.000 Trump shouldn't do it.

00:10:16.000 He should, of course, do it.

00:10:17.000 And keep in mind, all of the brilliant viral clips of Trump being Trump in the most brilliant and admirable sense of that term, just about all of them, if not all, have been exchanges with the left-wing media.

00:10:35.000 That's one of Trump's special advantages.

00:10:38.000 Darren, are you ready for a crazy nine months or what?

00:10:41.000 I mean, this primary is getting out of control and it really hasn't even begun yet.

00:10:44.000 Let me read you a truth from President Donald Trump.

00:10:48.000 Rupert Murdoch, worst Republican speaker ever, Paul Ryan, Rhino Karl Rove, the Wall Street Globalist Journal, and the rapidly disintegrating Fox News have gone all out over the last three months, pushing and promoting Ron DeSanctimonius, a man who, without the help and endorsement of President Donald J. Trump, he's speaking of himself in the third, would now be working at McDonald's or at a minimum be far away from Tallahassee.

00:11:13.000 Anyway, all of this rhino-globalist push from election undenier Murdoch has crushed DeSanctis in the polls.

00:11:19.000 Darren, we're talking about media.

00:11:22.000 He went straight after Murdoch and the Murdoch Empire.

00:11:26.000 He went after Karl Rove, Paul Ryan, who's on the board at Fox.

00:11:30.000 And he called Ron DeSantis DeSanctimonius and DeSanctus, all in one truth.

00:11:36.000 I mean, this is getting intense.

00:11:41.000 How is this going to play out?

00:11:42.000 Outline for our viewers the next nine months.

00:11:45.000 Well, you know, I think we have a little preview, but you know, DeSantis hasn't announced yet.

00:11:51.000 I think once he announces, then it's really going to be on and really going to be interesting.

00:11:57.000 But, you know, we have a little preview of that.

00:11:59.000 And I think, as I've said before, I think things could be very difficult for DeSantis.

00:12:04.000 I think he's been led astray.

00:12:06.000 I think the advice of his counselors or whoever they are who told him to run in this cycle was profoundly ill-advised.

00:12:18.000 I've said repeatedly that he should just wait it out and run the next cycle.

00:12:25.000 On that note, he hasn't announced yet.

00:12:28.000 If he were to about face right now, all indications are that he's going to run.

00:12:33.000 We've heard that inside and outside.

00:12:35.000 It's been reported broadly in the media.

00:12:37.000 If he doesn't, though, is there still time for him to save face with the base?

00:12:44.000 He could endorse Trump.

00:12:45.000 Is that what you would advise him to do, even at this late stage?

00:12:49.000 Because it feels like we've had this drip campaign that he's going to run.

00:12:51.000 He's going to run.

00:12:52.000 He's going to run.

00:12:53.000 And, you know, a lot of people are saying he should have just announced in January.

00:12:56.000 What's your advice to the DeSantis campaign at this point?

00:12:58.000 What would it be?

00:13:00.000 Well, I mean, you know, the best advice would have been not to put himself in this position in the first place.

00:13:07.000 If he ultimately decides not to run, that is going to look weird and clumsy.

00:13:12.000 But still, I think that's the better decision than going through with a primary process at this point.

00:13:18.000 It just simply doesn't look good for him.

00:13:21.000 And the sad thing is to see that all of this goodwill and political capital that he built up by being a competent and really commendable governor in Florida is just going to continue to hemorrhage that for no good reason.

00:13:37.000 There's no particular rush.

00:13:39.000 The people telling him and giving him this false sense of urgency that he needs to go in and step in and challenge Trump is totally ridiculous and really reflects his advisors' poor estimation of him, such that from their point of view, he's this COVID policy one-hit wonder.

00:13:59.000 And if we wait another four years, COVID might not be such a big deal.

00:14:04.000 It might not be present in people's minds, and DeSantis will be nothing versus, I think it's very possible he could continue to govern Florida very effectively.

00:14:13.000 He could build off of his successes as a governor and be in a strong position in another four years.

00:14:19.000 So I think this sense of urgency reflects an underestimation of his potential.

00:14:26.000 And so far, the fact that he's heeded that poor advice and he's displayed, I think, mediocre political instincts at best and certain missteps.

00:14:38.000 I couldn't agree.

00:14:39.000 Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more, Darren.

00:14:41.000 What happened with the Trump indictment news, with Bragg coming out slow on that, and really fumbling that initial communication with the press that day?

00:14:52.000 I think that was the beginning of what we've seen in the polls, this downward trend.

00:14:57.000 But so, you know, are you saying, and we've only got a minute left, Darren, I could speak with you for the whole hour.

00:15:03.000 Are you saying it's too late to do this gracefully?

00:15:06.000 He's pot committed.

00:15:07.000 He has to essentially go now, that he's sort of teased it for a little while.

00:15:13.000 He has to go.

00:15:14.000 No, nothing is too late.

00:15:15.000 I'm simply saying it would have been better not to put himself in this position in the first place.

00:15:20.000 So now he has a choice between backing out as gracefully as possible and going in and subjecting himself to even more problems.

00:15:31.000 And I think it's better for him to bow out as gracefully as possible and position himself possibly for a run in the next four years.

00:15:40.000 Well, I think that's well said.

00:15:42.000 Darren Beattie from Revolver.news, a tremendous website.

00:15:45.000 Great friend of the show.

00:15:46.000 Thank you for your analysis.

00:15:47.000 As always, Darren, and we'll see you next time.

00:15:50.000 Thank you so much.

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00:18:46.000 Without further ado, I want to welcome Riley Gaines, who has just been blowing up lately.

00:18:52.000 Riley, welcome to the show.

00:18:54.000 Well, thank you so much for having me on.

00:18:56.000 Well, we're just honored.

00:18:57.000 You know, we've had a front row seat both here on the Charlie Kirk show and at Turning Point USA to watching you really sort of rise out of obscurity.

00:19:08.000 You were Class of 22 UK swim.

00:19:11.000 You competed against Leah Thomas, the man masquerading as a woman and really cheating a lot of other competitors such as yourself at the national championship swim meets.

00:19:24.000 And you took a stand.

00:19:27.000 You were one of these lone voices calling out in the wilderness.

00:19:27.000 You were brave.

00:19:31.000 I know you're a Christian, so you understand that imagery.

00:19:33.000 You really were very isolated and alone.

00:19:36.000 I want to start there, Riley.

00:19:38.000 What is it about you, maybe your upbringing, your family, that made you stand out when so many other competitors, women that you were friends with, that you were competing against, they shared privately with you that they didn't agree with what was happening, but they stayed silent.

00:19:55.000 Why did you not?

00:19:56.000 I think what it is for me, I get called brave all the time.

00:20:00.000 I get called courageous all the time, but I don't feel brave.

00:20:04.000 I don't feel courageous.

00:20:06.000 I think what I think of as brave is our military, is our law enforcement, people who are actively putting themselves on the front lines.

00:20:12.000 And so when people called me this, it didn't feel right.

00:20:16.000 Taking a stance in the truth shouldn't be brave.

00:20:18.000 And that's when it kind of hit me.

00:20:21.000 We're just scared of different things.

00:20:23.000 The people who are calling me brave, they're scared of being labeled as transphobic or homophobic or I get called racist even, even though this has nothing to do with race.

00:20:32.000 They're scared of those labels.

00:20:33.000 They're scared of the cancel culture that we live in.

00:20:35.000 And while that is scary, what's scarier to me is not taking a stance in the truth, is lying.

00:20:42.000 And that's what they're asking us to do. 0.86

00:20:45.000 Denying objective truth, denying what it is to be a woman.

00:20:48.000 I mean, man and woman, it's the sheer essence of humanity.

00:20:51.000 And they're asking us to deny that.

00:20:53.000 That's scarier to me than being labeled any kind of name.

00:20:57.000 I can handle the names.

00:20:58.000 I can handle any kind of personal attack anyone wants to throw at me because I'm secure with myself.

00:21:03.000 And I think that is largely in part due to my faith, due to my support system, and due to the fact that I know I'm speaking for the overwhelming majority of not just female athletes, the overwhelming majority of Americans, the overwhelming majority of people across the globe understand that men and women are different in a way that makes men advantageous when it comes to anything that requires sheer athleticism or strength.

00:21:25.000 Yeah, I think that's well said.

00:21:26.000 And I remember from the first interview that you did with Charlie when you were lating that really terrible locker room scene during the national championships where Leah Thomas changed in front of you and that made a bunch of news.

00:21:39.000 Charlie had a visceral reaction.

00:21:41.000 I could see it.

00:21:42.000 You know, he was angry as a father.

00:21:44.000 I have a father of two daughters.

00:21:46.000 I am a father of two daughters.

00:21:48.000 And I mean, I was watching it, feeling this visceral reaction.

00:21:51.000 You mentioned your father was ready to get involved and make sure that you were protected in that moment, which is an emotion a lot of fathers feel, by the way.

00:22:00.000 I want to sort of pivot and talk about some of the legislation that you've been involved in, these efforts.

00:22:06.000 I know you met with Speaker McCarthy.

00:22:08.000 You've been traveling around the country.

00:22:10.000 You know, our team put together some stats. 0.98

00:22:13.000 It looks like there are so far 21 different laws passed by red states protecting girls' sports from transgender intruders. 0.76

00:22:20.000 Three new laws have been enacted so far this year in North Dakota, Kansas, and Wyoming, but not all of them are created equal, right?

00:22:27.000 Not all these laws are created.

00:22:28.000 What is it specifically?

00:22:29.000 So we're seeing wins.

00:22:31.000 We're definitely seeing wins.

00:22:32.000 We're seeing momentum on this issue.

00:22:33.000 Your advocacy is having real, real impacts across the country, Riley.

00:22:39.000 What are you specifically working on at the federal level?

00:22:41.000 And then we can maybe break down some of these other efforts as well.

00:22:45.000 Absolutely.

00:22:46.000 So at the federal level, we have people in the White House right now who are actively working to rewrite Title IX.

00:22:52.000 Of course, Title IX is a federal civil rights law that is supposed to prevent discrimination on the basis of sex among college campuses and universities.

00:23:01.000 They are trying to rewrite it to where it's no longer preventing discrimination on the basis of sex.

00:23:05.000 It's preventing discrimination on the basis of gender identity.

00:23:08.000 So what this means, men could join sororities.

00:23:11.000 Men could live in dorm rooms with women and women could do absolutely nothing about it.

00:23:15.000 Men would have full access to locker rooms, bathrooms, any sort of one sex protected area on campus. 0.80

00:23:22.000 Men could take academic and athletic scholarships away from women.

00:23:27.000 In this new rewrite, it's actually sexual harassment if you misgender a trans-identifying individual.

00:23:32.000 It's not sexual harassment for them to be parading around your locker room exposing the opposite genitalia, but it is sexual harassment if you misgender them. 0.53

00:23:39.000 So that's what the people, and it is insane. 0.79

00:23:43.000 That's what the people who honestly once prided themselves on fighting for women in our sex-based protections.

00:23:50.000 Of course, the left is the party that once embraced the idea of the original feminist movement.

00:23:55.000 We're seeing this totally flopped now.

00:23:58.000 It's now the Republicans who are fighting for women.

00:24:00.000 We have people in office. 1.00

00:24:01.000 We have a sitting Supreme Court justice who can't even define what a woman is.

00:24:05.000 And I think that's what kind of makes this issue so special is I've been in contact and formed alliances with even lifelong liberals who would consider themselves part of that original feminist movement, who are so frustrated that these people in positions of power among the left can't even define what a woman is.

00:24:23.000 How can you defend what you can't define?

00:24:26.000 And so the overwhelming majority of the general public, regardless of political affiliation, understands that this whole sports debacle, men competing against women, men changing in our locker rooms, they understand that's wrong.

00:24:39.000 While I think our politicians are doing a terrible job of voting accurately or representing their voters accurately.

00:24:46.000 We just saw in the U.S. House of Representatives in the last few weeks, not one Democrat voted in favor of protecting women and girls.

00:24:53.000 And people are fed up.

00:24:54.000 It's time to say enough is enough.

00:24:56.000 And I think the tides are beginning to turn.

00:24:58.000 I completely agree.

00:24:59.000 You know, I'll never forget, Riley, I had this conversation with a very prominent New York Times reporter, award-winning reporter.

00:25:08.000 And I was in DC at the time, and we were just sort of meeting for an off-the-record, you know, hey, what's going on?

00:25:14.000 Chat.

00:25:15.000 And for people who don't know, that's sort of my background, PR, communications.

00:25:20.000 I was meeting with him.

00:25:22.000 And, you know, I said, you know, what are the issues that you see as the weakness for the liberal elite right now?

00:25:30.000 And he pointed directly, and this is before all of this blew up with Dylan Mulvaney, all of this, Bud Light.

00:25:36.000 This was not even something that we thought about at that time.

00:25:40.000 He said, this issue is driving liberal elites mad in the city, right?

00:25:45.000 Their tribal instincts are kicking, and they're definitely, they still associate with the Democrat Party.

00:25:50.000 They feel tribally loyal to them.

00:25:52.000 But this issue specifically grates against their common sense.

00:25:56.000 It grates against what they see with their own two eyes.

00:26:00.000 I think it's a complete winning issue.

00:26:02.000 I think that we have to put people like yourselves out front and say that we are the party that's now standing up for women, for moms, for parents.

00:26:10.000 I completely think that this will have electoral ramifications so long as they continue their insanity. 0.98

00:26:16.000 I want to play a cut here. 0.87

00:26:18.000 Cut 58.

00:26:19.000 This is Brittany Griner.

00:26:20.000 I saw you commenting on this on Twitter.

00:26:22.000 Brittany Griner said that it's a crime.

00:26:25.000 She really said this. 1.00

00:26:27.000 It's a crime to ban trans people from competing in biological women sports. 1.00

00:26:32.000 Play Cut 58.

00:26:34.000 Where is that going to be on your radar in terms of advocating for athletes, all athletes, trans to be able to play?

00:26:42.000 Everyone deserves the right to play.

00:26:44.000 Everyone deserves the right to come here, sit in these seats, and feel safe.

00:26:49.000 I think it's a crime, honestly, to separate someone for any reason.

00:26:59.000 So I definitely will be speaking up against that legislation and those laws that are trying to be passed for sure.

00:27:07.000 Your reaction, Riley.

00:27:09.000 I think it's so disingenuous to have someone such as Brittany Griner, Megan Rapino, someone who is athletically successful because of the women's sporting category, come out and advocate for taking that away from other women.

00:27:23.000 It's ironic.

00:27:24.000 I mean, let's go back to Megan Rapino. 1.00

00:27:27.000 This is someone who once fought for equal pay for women, equal resources, equal access to these resources.

00:27:34.000 And now I want to mention both Brittany Griner, Megan Rapino, the 36 other athletes, including Sue Berg and a slew of others who signed on to this letter, Billie Jean King.

00:27:45.000 Of course, these athletes are at the end of their career or are done competing.

00:27:49.000 And majority of them, Megan Rapino, Brittany Garner, Billie Jean King, again, they don't have daughters to defend.

00:27:55.000 So they don't care.

00:27:56.000 They've achieved what they wanted to.

00:27:58.000 They've had their cake and they ate it.

00:28:00.000 So they'd rather virtue signal.

00:28:01.000 They'd rather be seen as kind and inclusive and whatever other term, tolerant, loving, accepting.

00:28:07.000 I mean, the list can go on.

00:28:08.000 But in reality, it's not kind to ask a girl to undress in front of a man.

00:28:13.000 And it's not inclusive. 0.56

00:28:14.000 Of course, it's not inclusive to ask a woman to step aside and smile and allow a man to take her spot on the podium or to take her opportunity or to take her scholarship. 1.00

00:28:23.000 That's exclusive to the very female athletes who Title IX was passed to protect. 0.65

00:28:28.000 And I just think it's so ironic and almost comical that Brittany Griner wants to talk about crimes because if we're talking about crimes, we sure can.

00:28:37.000 But and I also want to echo, I agree with what she said in terms of everyone has the right to play.

00:28:43.000 Of course, everyone has the right to play.

00:28:45.000 This just shows her incompetence and her ignorance on the issue because these laws that are being passed, they're not banning anyone from playing.

00:28:52.000 They're not restricting anyone from the right to competing.

00:28:54.000 It's just about ensuring people compete where it's fair and where it's safe.

00:28:58.000 Yeah, Riley, what would you say is the right solution here then?

00:29:02.000 Would you like to see, and we only have a minute.

00:29:04.000 I'll keep, if you have time, I'd like to keep you on the other side of the break.

00:29:07.000 But is the solution a separate league for trans athletes or should they compete in the same category as their biological sex?

00:29:18.000 I think in an ideal world in terms of finances, in terms of garnering enough people to play in these trans leagues, sure, that's an option that could work.

00:29:27.000 But in reality, I don't think it's something that's feasible. 1.00

00:29:30.000 I think competing with your biological sex is the really best way to move forward.

00:29:37.000 It ensures everyone athlete opportunity, chances for success, fairness, safety, all of those things that we strive for and support in competition.

00:29:44.000 I think I tend to agree.

00:29:46.000 I think it's at least it creates another piece to the argument that people that are advocating for these trans athletes can sort of wrap their head around.

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00:31:02.000 Riley, really, really quick.

00:31:03.000 I just want to hear from you.

00:31:04.000 Have you heard from any liberal, progressive, Democrat lawmakers at all?

00:31:10.000 Have you gotten any phone calls saying like, hey, off the record, I support what you're doing?

00:31:15.000 There have been few at the state level.

00:31:18.000 One in Kansas, his name is Representative Marvin Robinson.

00:31:22.000 He was one to vote for the Women's Bill of Rights in Kansas, which is a bill that defines the word woman.

00:31:28.000 It's crazy we even have to do that, but this is a bill that defines the word woman as an adult human female.

00:31:34.000 He was the lone Democrat who voted in favor.

00:31:36.000 He was also the lone Democrat who voted in favor of protecting women and girls in sports in Kansas.

00:31:42.000 I actually called him first and just wanted to thank him for his leadership in going against the grain.

00:31:48.000 So we've been in contact.

00:31:50.000 There have been few others who have really stood up to this.

00:31:53.000 What we're noticing is it's more apt at local levels and then, of course, the state level.

00:31:59.000 And then we're not seeing that transition to the federal level quite yet.

00:32:03.000 So I think this is starting from the bottom and hopefully trickling its way up.

00:32:07.000 What we're seeing is culture affects politics.

00:32:10.000 And I think they see as the culture surrounding this is changing, the politics will also soon change.

00:32:15.000 You know, we've really lost something in this country where we don't have a sane opposition party.

00:32:20.000 We really don't.

00:32:21.000 We've really lost something.

00:32:22.000 I mean, at least if the Democrats had an ounce of sanity left on this issue and they gained control in one election and then lost it and gained it again or whatever, at least the country would have some stability.

00:32:34.000 I mean, it's just a tragedy.

00:32:35.000 This mind virus has completely consumed them.

00:32:37.000 I want to play some tape, though.

00:32:39.000 And this is sort of outside of the sports realm, but it's still in this issue.

00:32:44.000 I want to play this.

00:32:46.000 This is a new thing that when you think they can't get crazier, they come up with a new something, a new ism.

00:32:53.000 This is childism.

00:32:55.000 Never heard of it before.

00:32:56.000 Play Cut 59.

00:32:58.000 Do you know about childism?

00:33:00.000 This term hasn't trended yet.

00:33:01.000 And people aren't talking about this.

00:33:03.000 I think it's totally valid. 1.00

00:33:04.000 Childism is the idea of, well, sexism, racism, discrimination against your sex, discrimination against your race. 0.94

00:33:10.000 Well, childism is discrimination because you're a child.

00:33:13.000 Like, for example, if a student were to come up to me and say, hey, Desi, I'm non-binary.

00:33:16.000 Can you call me they?

00:33:17.000 And I told that student, oh, honey, you're way too young to know your gender identity.

00:33:21.000 This would not only be transphobic, this would also be considered childism. 0.51

00:33:25.000 Not only am I not respecting their pronouns, I would also be discriminating against them because of their age. 0.96

00:33:30.000 I'm saying they are too young to know what their gender identity is. 0.98

00:33:34.000 I'm a teacher.

00:33:35.000 This helps.

00:33:36.000 See what you did there, Riley?

00:33:38.000 So now, you know, we have age limits on driving.

00:33:41.000 We have age limits on consuming alcohol.

00:33:44.000 We have age limits on voting.

00:33:45.000 Oh, wait. 1.00

00:33:46.000 Are we going to get rid of that one next?

00:33:47.000 And now you have somebody on TikTok, and this video started to go viral saying that it is discrimination against young people if we tell them they are too young to determine their own gender.

00:34:00.000 Your reaction.

00:34:01.000 I mean, you hit the nail on the head.

00:34:02.000 Are we going to start saying it's discrimination to not let them drive a car, to not let a five-year-old own a gun?

00:34:08.000 Is that discrimination?

00:34:09.000 I mean, this is along the exact same lines. 0.94

00:34:11.000 I can't even believe someone with a brain could take this approach. 0.58

00:34:15.000 I don't even care.

00:34:17.000 If you have a brain, you should understand that there are certain things children should never be able to do until you reach that threshold of becoming an adult. 0.91

00:34:25.000 I mean, we don't even let people get tattoos until the age of 18, but if we're going to let them irreversibly change their gender, that is the most insane, absurd thing I've ever heard. 0.94

00:34:37.000 And just as you said, I want to be surprised. 0.99

00:34:40.000 I do.

00:34:41.000 I want to feel as if this is something that shocking.

00:34:43.000 And to a degree, yes, but I'm unphased at this point. 1.00

00:34:48.000 We're seeing things such as now trans age, which means you can identify as a different age. 0.94

00:34:53.000 We're seeing trans-abled, which is people who are actively disabling themselves so they can identify as trans-abled. 0.98

00:35:02.000 It just seems as if we are on this actively, I mean, we're actively putting one foot in front of the other and declining. 1.00

00:35:09.000 And we're doing this by the fate of our own hands.

00:35:11.000 We are taking the step-by-step into this downward spiral.

00:35:14.000 And it is, it's truly heartbreaking to see.

00:35:18.000 And again, I'm young.

00:35:19.000 I'm only 23 years old.

00:35:20.000 And so I don't want to sound like I'm some old buzzard here, but to see what our country went from, even just a mere four or five years ago, to where we are now, it just raises so many questions.

00:35:34.000 Is it the new administration?

00:35:36.000 Did COVID play a big part in this?

00:35:38.000 I mean, why is this happening?

00:35:40.000 Why are we at the point where we're denying objective truth?

00:35:42.000 Why are we trying to say children can do absolutely anything they want under the sun?

00:35:48.000 I mean, that's criminal.

00:35:49.000 Well, it's a, you're right.

00:35:50.000 It's a collective psychosis that has impacted the entire Western world and doesn't show any signs of abating anytime soon.

00:35:59.000 But nevertheless, here we are.

00:36:01.000 I'm going to play another cut for you.

00:36:03.000 We've got it.

00:36:03.000 We're running short on time, but I want to get your take.

00:36:05.000 Dylan Mulvaney is trying to have grace for people like you, Riley.

00:36:10.000 Just really trying.

00:36:11.000 He's trying to find grace for people that are targeting him.

00:36:14.000 57.

00:36:15.000 Dare I say this might be, this is controversial, but the people that are targeting us right now, I'm trying to find grace for them because I know that this was, you know, planted from something else.

00:36:32.000 And I can only hope that they will see the beauty and the humanity and the importance of an identity and not trying to strip that away.

00:36:41.000 Grace is going to be my word of the week.

00:36:43.000 I decided.

00:36:44.000 All right.

00:36:45.000 One minute, Riley.

00:36:46.000 This is, you know, this person, we make fun of this person, and rightly so.

00:36:52.000 This person has 13 million followers.

00:36:54.000 I think on TikTok alone, I'm not sure.

00:36:56.000 This person holds a tremendous amount of influence.

00:36:59.000 What do you want to say to people like Dylan Mulvaney that think you're targeting them?

00:37:04.000 Again, calling out what is true, calling a spade a spade is not targeting.

00:37:09.000 It is just being unwavering.

00:37:12.000 It's unwilling to lie.

00:37:13.000 And that's the position I've taken this past year.

00:37:16.000 I'm unwilling to stand for anything other than the truth.

00:37:19.000 That being said, I always welcome grace.

00:37:21.000 I, of course, am a sinner, just as everyone else in this entire planet is.

00:37:25.000 So grace is something I always welcome and I'm very much in need of, but it's not for targeting Dylan Mulvaney.

00:37:31.000 I'm not someone who writes, right?

00:37:34.000 Yeah, we're running out of time, Riley.

00:37:35.000 But I gave you a big clip right at the end of the show.

00:37:38.000 Thank you for your time and for being generous with us.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 09, 2023

Tucker Carlson, Debate Host? with Darren Beattie and Riley Gaines

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