The Charlie Kirk Show - Tucker Carlson's Last Interview with Stella Morabito

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00:00:01.000 Loneliness.

00:00:02.000 Are you lonely?

00:00:02.000 Well, it is an epidemic of major proportions in this country.

00:00:06.000 What is driving it?

00:00:07.000 Well, we explore that with Stella Moribito, the weaponization of loneliness.

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00:01:53.000 Joining us now is Stella Moribito, the final interview Tucker Carlson had on Tucker Carlson today before he, well, whatever happened to Tucker happened.

00:02:02.000 And she has a new book that's very exciting, The Weaponization of Loneliness: How Tyrants Stoke Our Fear of Isolation to Silence, Divide, and Conquer.

00:02:11.000 Stella's interview with Tucker Carlson never aired and probably will never air.

00:02:15.000 And so we're going to have to redo the whole thing here the best we can.

00:02:18.000 Stella, welcome to the program.

00:02:19.000 Oh, thank you so much for having me, Charlie.

00:02:21.000 It's great to be here.

00:02:22.000 So tell us about your book.

00:02:24.000 I'm kind of reminded of Aristotle's famous writings about how tyrants seek to make people unfamiliar with one another, closing gymnasiums and schools and place of congregation.

00:02:36.000 Tell us about your book, The Weaponization of Loneliness.

00:02:39.000 Thank you.

00:02:40.000 Well, basically, it's about isolation as a political weapon.

00:02:44.000 And on every level of tyranny, you'll see it operate.

00:02:49.000 I mean, whether it's just a two-person partnership where one is gaslighting the other, or it's a playground bully, or a cult leader like Jim Jones, who isolates everybody in the jungle, or, you know,

00:03:03.000 all the way up to your dictator, your world-class dictator, like Mao or Stalin, who basically creates these reigns of terror in order to create fear that basically causes a lot of social distrust and isolation.

00:03:25.000 That, and, you know, obviously, human beings, when we have happy families, when we have strong friendships and all of that, we, you know, we're not as susceptible to those kinds of fears.

00:03:37.000 Yes.

00:03:38.000 But once we're isolated, we are.

00:03:40.000 And this is something that tyrants have practiced throughout modern history.

00:03:46.000 And so, how much of this do you think is intentional?

00:03:48.000 Meaning, during COVID, they were intentionally trying to make us a lonelier people, or was it just a side effect that gave them more power?

00:03:55.000 Oh, my, I think both.

00:03:58.000 you know every well every one of the players has kind of a different uh you know a different perspective uh i think that there was very definitely a deliberate attempt to isolate us as a means of controlling us uh now not every bureaucrat understands any of that they just kind of go with the flow but i think those who kind of are pushing for a top-down uh social control paradigm,

00:04:28.000 they do understand that.

00:04:30.000 I mean, they had us physically isolated in a way that never occurred in this country before.

00:04:36.000 It was just massive and unprecedented that we were told to, you know, stay apart and cover our faces.

00:04:45.000 And, you know, it wasn't just the isolation.

00:04:48.000 It was the cultivation of hostility that, you know, really was beyond the pale.

00:04:57.000 I mean, when you have the government encouraging people to keep their family members away at Thanksgiving if they hadn't been, quote, vaccinated or taken the injection or, you know, weren't wearing masks and so on and so forth for, you know, for something that we all know was nearly 100% recoverable.

00:05:19.000 If you, you know, this virus, if you didn't have other serious health issues, it was basically 100% recoverable.

00:05:28.000 So something else was going on.

00:05:30.000 And I think maybe in the early days, most of us were like, ooh, what's going on?

00:05:36.000 This, you know, this is a scary thing, this virus out of China.

00:05:41.000 But then after a little while, it became pretty clear that there was a much bigger picture going on.

00:05:47.000 And, you know, it's all about social control.

00:05:50.000 And it always happens through isolation, as Hannah Rent made a note of, major note of in her book, if your listeners are familiar with it, called The Origins of Totalitarianism.

00:06:02.000 That you need isolation.

00:06:05.000 Every tyrannical government works to bring about isolation so that terror will have a greater effect on people and make them easier to control.

00:06:17.000 So it turns out that when people were over playing the lockdown hand, for example, I think of churches that were just going along with the government and, you know, especially community centers and sporting events, it made the totalitarian goals easier.

00:06:34.000 So said differently, we could say it inversely, that community is actually an antibody to the pathogen of totalitarianism.

00:06:44.000 So let's talk about the positive side of it.

00:06:47.000 Community actually, community and having neighbors and family members over, does that make tyrants weaker?

00:06:55.000 Absolutely.

00:06:56.000 I think what we're seeing really is a war on friendship.

00:07:00.000 I mean, it's a war on true community.

00:07:03.000 Now, you hear the left talk about community all the time, and it's really kind of a fake community that they can control.

00:07:09.000 But true community, authentic community that comes from bonds of affection, that comes from just being a part of your neighborhood and having a sense of goodwill toward others, reaching out maybe when someone's sick, just out of the goodness of your heart, not because you expect something in return.

00:07:32.000 I mean, I could go on and on.

00:07:33.000 I mean, about, I think it was a month ago, Obama, former President Obama, launched a new initiative to create, you know, more, quote, community and, you know, change makers that are going to go into the communities and, quote, depolarize.

00:07:52.000 Well, we know what that means.

00:07:53.000 It doesn't mean real community, but getting back to your point, we are absolutely in a much better place when we have these strong bonds of friendship, of family, of faith community, from which we gain a lot of inner strength.

00:08:13.000 I mean, that was one of my big points in my interview with Tucker.

00:08:16.000 I talked about how we gain so much, human beings gain so much inner strength from bonds of faith, you know, a sense of relationship with God and as well as your family and friends.

00:08:32.000 And this is why there's been such a war on family is because, I mean, ever since 1848, when it was proclaimed in the Communist Manifesto, I mean, just right out there, abolish the family exclamation mark.

00:08:46.000 Yes, that's correct.

00:08:47.000 That was a big part, big part of it.

00:08:49.000 Your loyalty is only supposed to be to the mass state.

00:08:52.000 And my working theory is one of the ways that the scriptures try to prevent us from engaging in over-loneliness is in the Ten Commandments, honoring the Sabbath, something that's enriched my life, where it says, yes, you work for six days.

00:09:07.000 So it's actually a two-part commandment.

00:09:08.000 You work for six days, but you must rest.

00:09:11.000 And not just you, but anybody associated, even your animal gets rest.

00:09:15.000 And when you do that, when you rest, is you have very few other options than to have community.

00:09:19.000 You go to synagogue or church, or you sit with your family and you're outside of technology.

00:09:25.000 And so, so the technology is a big part of the conversation I want to have this hour.

00:09:30.000 But did you think about blue laws and how we got rid of those in America?

00:09:35.000 It made America more lonely.

00:09:36.000 Or is that something that is maybe a bridge too far?

00:09:40.000 Because those were like actually the opposite of lockdowns.

00:09:43.000 They actually were commercial lockdowns that almost necessitated community.

00:09:48.000 That's an interesting point, Charlie.

00:09:50.000 No, I didn't get into that.

00:09:51.000 You know, the history of blue laws in this country where you, I guess, you know, you couldn't, I guess they go to the mall, right?

00:10:00.000 Like you have to go eat with your family, right?

00:10:02.000 You can't go to a movie theater, but yes.

00:10:03.000 So.

00:10:04.000 Right.

00:10:04.000 Yeah.

00:10:05.000 No, that's an excellent point where you, you know, you were kind of, you know, shut down the technology, if you will, for a day and sort of in a good way, reset, you know, yourself.

00:10:20.000 You reset your mental well-being and, you know, connections, the most important connections that we have, the connections that give us the strength to resist, you know, all the tyranny around us.

00:10:35.000 Yes.

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00:11:29.000 The weaponization of loneliness, Stella Moribito continues us.

00:11:32.000 Stella, tell us about how technology plays a role in this.

00:11:38.000 Okay, well, it plays a huge role because we are created to have direct face-to-face contact with other people, you know, to have relationships that are real.

00:11:52.000 And if we, you know, if that's taken away through some sort of virtual, you know, all through screen time and living in this kind of virtual world, we become a whole lot more susceptible.

00:12:07.000 We actually become isolated in the process and we become a lot more susceptible to what I call the weaponization of loneliness.

00:12:16.000 And it makes us more susceptible to what I also call the machinery of loneliness, which is a three-legged stool of identity, politics, political correctness, and of course, mob agitation to enforce it all.

00:12:33.000 And of course, mobs take different forms, and you see them in a new and different form in social media, this whole business of swarming, this business of canceling you on some kind of platform.

00:12:47.000 And especially with youth, it becomes the most important thing how they're perceived through that medium.

00:12:59.000 And so, I don't know, I can go off in a lot of different directions on this.

00:13:04.000 I don't know how familiar your listeners are with Marshall McLuhan, who was a communications professor who wrote an amazing book back in the 60s called Understanding Media.

00:13:15.000 And he's the one who coined the term the medium is the message that whatever content you see on at the time, the biggest medium was television, but he felt that the content was only secondary to the medium itself that actually pulls you in.

00:13:36.000 And kind of, you know, his thesis was take over your, you know, electronic media was like your central nervous system taking over your central nervous system.

00:13:47.000 And in a sense, he really, he was very prescient about a lot of that and how these media really affect us, you know, especially the electronic media that we see with the internet.

00:14:01.000 And he seemed to really anticipate.

00:14:04.000 And that's what's so ironic is that the promise of the social media company, it's called social media, first of all, but the promise was actually community.

00:14:13.000 I mean, I don't trust Zuckerberg, but from he, according to people that started Facebook with him, I don't think Zuckerberg had a heart to try to peel people away.

00:14:23.000 He thought, we're going to bring people together.

00:14:24.000 We're going to connect the world.

00:14:26.000 But it has done the exact opposite.

00:14:28.000 It has walled people off.

00:14:30.000 It has not connected people.

00:14:32.000 Your thoughts on that?

00:14:34.000 Absolutely.

00:14:35.000 No, it has not.

00:14:38.000 It puts together what is, we might call a pseudo-world.

00:14:42.000 It's not the real world.

00:14:44.000 It's, you know, with pseudo-intimacy.

00:14:47.000 You know, pseudo-intimacy was a thing even before the internet, you know, when you had movie stars, even going back to like the 30s or 40s or whatever, you know, people would kind of idolize these stars and connect with celebrities in a, you know, in a way that, you know, wasn't real, but they kind of lived vicariously through them.

00:15:09.000 And, you know, they had their heart throbs or whatever.

00:15:13.000 And, you know, you have pseudo-intimacy, a pseudo-world, pseudo-life.

00:15:20.000 It's all, you know, it can be useful in some ways.

00:15:24.000 I mean, technology, for example, if you're 3,000 miles away, you can pick up the telephone even back in the 1950s and that would connect you with someone.

00:15:33.000 And that was, you know, wonderful.

00:15:35.000 But, you know, the extent to which we have delved into it today has, you know, it's become very damaging, especially to youth.

00:15:47.000 It hasn't been connecting us.

00:15:49.000 It's been separating us in more ways than we realize.

00:15:54.000 It's been exactly as you put it, Charlie, walling us off from one another.

00:15:59.000 Because what you end up with is, and I really commend everybody listen to Tucker's speech from Friday night that he gave to the Heritage Foundation where after the speech and he spoke to the president, they had a little chat.

00:16:15.000 And he thought the most important thing, the thing that's changed more than anything, is our access to information.

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00:18:37.000 Stella, I want to talk about this article I taped the show with Tucker on censorship right before he was fired.

00:18:41.000 Tell us about your article and your time with Tucker right before he got the X.

00:18:46.000 Oh my goodness.

00:18:47.000 It was quite an honor to have the opportunity to sit down with him for an hour to talk about all of these issues, particularly about atomization, you know, how we're being isolated, how we are being kind of pushed into what I call virtual solitary confinement as a means of, you know, controlling us as a society and also the effects of self-censorship.

00:19:12.000 But he is just such, you know, he's such a fascinating person.

00:19:17.000 And I think partly because he's a very curious and interesting person.

00:19:24.000 You know, the natural curiosity seems to be in very short supply these days, especially among our elites.

00:19:33.000 And not just natural curiosity, but interest in other people, interest in people as individual human beings and trying to put together this whole, as Tucker says, what is it that we're watching?

00:19:48.000 Trying to understand what's causing so much of the misery that we're dealing with today.

00:19:57.000 And so the interview was a wonderful opportunity to talk about all of those things, as well as, of course, the weaponization of loneliness, which is directly related to all of that.

00:20:09.000 And he's just the best, in my view, just the best person, one of the best people, including you, Charlie, who have, in fact, I listened to your interview with him from last December.

00:20:24.000 I just listened to it.

00:20:25.000 Fascinating, both of you.

00:20:29.000 Where you delve into the fact that we're dealing with a spiritual war and all the, you know, just the attacks on religion and relationships and all of that.

00:20:45.000 It's all of a piece, but it's hard to figure out exactly what's going on.

00:20:51.000 But as Tucker said, clarity is coming.

00:20:54.000 And I think we should take faith, we should take hope in that, because I think it's true.

00:21:00.000 We live through times of chaos.

00:21:03.000 And at some point, you know, clarity does come.

00:21:08.000 Hopefully not too late, but it does come.

00:21:11.000 And so anyway, it was, so I felt I needed to write up my experience with the interview, as well as being present at his speech that Friday night for the Heritage 50th anniversary, Gaila, just at a phenomenal speech that he gave about truth telling and how when you tell the truth, the stronger you become.

00:21:37.000 And when you lie, the weaker you become.

00:21:39.000 And we need to take that to heart because when we believe in these lies and we shut up about what we believe or even lie about what we believe, because we think, you know, that's what we need to, you know, get along or that's what we need in order to be accepted.

00:21:56.000 Then all we do is dig ourselves deeper into that hole of isolation.

00:22:00.000 And that's one of my main points.

00:22:02.000 Self-censorship is what got us to where we are today.

00:22:08.000 We give a whole lot of oxygen to agendas like the transgender insanity that's hitting or having trillions and trillions of dollars in debt. 1.00

00:22:21.000 And the list goes on and on with all of the insane developments.

00:22:27.000 But I don't think we'd have been in, you know, I think we've been in better shape had people felt they could talk about these things without the fear of being ostracized for even mentioning them.

00:22:41.000 But that's all manufactured.

00:22:42.000 Well, you know, these.

00:22:44.000 No, sorry.

00:22:44.000 Yes.

00:22:45.000 Finish your thought, please.

00:22:47.000 Oh, no, no, that's just all manufactured to make you shut up about what you believe.

00:22:50.000 This, you know, political correctness is really a form of agitation.

00:22:55.000 It's meant as to induce self-censorship and our decades of obedience to political correctness is, I believe, what got us.

00:23:04.000 That's right.

00:23:05.000 And if you think about it, some of the complaints we receive on our show, not complaints about our show, but frustrations is: Charlie, yeah, I have community, physical community, but I don't have ideological or philosophical community because I'll go out with my friends and I'm not allowed to tell the truth about my political views or my religious views.

00:23:24.000 And so that's an interesting question, right, Stella?

00:23:26.000 So are you, do you actually have community?

00:23:29.000 Is it possible to be around people all the time, but actually be lonely?

00:23:34.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:23:35.000 Now, you know, during the Industrial Revolution, there was a French sociologist named Emil Durkheim Who basically wrote about the alienation that was caused by industrialization.

00:23:47.000 Of course, now it's exponentially increased through technological revolution.

00:23:52.000 But his main point, and he coined the term anime, A-N-O-M-I-E, to mean feeling lonely in a crowd.

00:24:03.000 And that's when we often feel loneliness.

00:24:06.000 You know, it's like people, people everywhere, and nobody to talk to, right?

00:24:10.000 And that is definitely what is the cause of so much of the loneliness epidemic and the misery that so many people are feeling when they feel that they can't talk to anybody about what they really believe.

00:24:26.000 And one of the points I was trying to make before the break was: if you can't talk openly to people, you can't get to know them.

00:24:37.000 You can't develop a friendship.

00:24:39.000 If you are always going to shut your mouth about what you believe, nobody can get to know you and you can't get to really know anybody.

00:24:48.000 And so that's the whole idea behind this regime of censorship.

00:24:51.000 And I want to mention one other thing while I still can here.

00:24:56.000 I just found out, and it was something carried on CNN, I don't know if it was last night or this morning, about the Surgeon General of the United States announcing a new plan, a so-called six-pillar plan to alleviate the quote loneliness epidemic.

00:25:15.000 Now, in my view, it's just another example of we're from the government and we're here to help.

00:25:21.000 I would be very wary of anything being pushed by the government to supposedly cure us of our loneliness.

00:25:33.000 I mean, it's like, to me, it just looks like an excuse to church.

00:25:38.000 This is not hard.

00:25:39.000 I mean, we had these social institutions.

00:25:42.000 I mean, Robert Putnam wrote the book, Bowling Alone.

00:25:44.000 I think there's a lot of problems with the book, and he's a super left-winger, but he's not wrong by saying that social communities have deteriorated over the last couple decades.

00:25:54.000 And it really is an amazing, it's a theme that we talk on this program.

00:25:57.000 Modernity, yeah, has offered Advil, Tylenol, air conditioning, and cross-country flights, but we're lonelier, we're angrier, we're more depressed, more likely to kill ourselves than ever before.

00:26:09.000 And so, Stella, can you talk about how just modernity itself is actually one of the outgrowths of quote unquote the most advanced society ever is we no longer have the basic things?

00:26:21.000 Well, that's right.

00:26:22.000 And a lot of it, I think, was caused by policies that deliberately or not, wittingly or not, but I think in many ways wittingly, destroyed these social bonds.

00:26:34.000 I mean, if you look at family brokenness and all of the things leading to family brokenness, whether, you know, no-fault divorce, abortion now, infanticide, you know, push for euthanasia, all of these things that magnify a sense that you're all alone and really nobody is out there who cares.

00:26:58.000 It's, you know, as though somehow technology is going to, you know, cure us of our woes.

00:27:05.000 And this is all part and parcel of this new, you know, in Britain, they have this Ministry of Loneliness, which of course I mentioned, the Surgeon General of the US.

00:27:15.000 Looks like they're going to try and develop the same thing here, a ministry of loneliness, where it's really just another excuse to surveil and create a sort of bureaucratic meddling institution.

00:27:30.000 Oh, they'll show up at your doorstep and help you out and so on.

00:27:35.000 So we become more and more dependent on the government.

00:27:40.000 Of course, more and more dependent on, you know, we, you know, it's not as though we live in an agrarian society.

00:27:48.000 And of course, that was not an easy life.

00:27:52.000 But, you know, people worked hard and they lived, I believe, more authentic lives.

00:28:00.000 And so modernity, of course, replaces, you know, the hard work or whatever, manual labor.

00:28:09.000 You just go to the store, you pick up your chicken, your, you know, your vegetables.

00:28:14.000 You don't even give a second thought of most people don't anyway, of where it all came from.

00:28:20.000 You go to your fast food and, you know, it's all supposed to be there for you.

00:28:26.000 You know, I, you know, I think about what could happen with an EMP attack, pushing us all back pretty much into the Stone Age.

00:28:34.000 You know, if we have no connection at all and we discover what, you know, what we don't have and, you know, you're stranded somewhere.

00:28:44.000 The only way to get to where you're going, your vehicle doesn't work.

00:28:47.000 You got to, you know, manage to walk there.

00:28:50.000 So many things we take for granted.

00:28:52.000 It's, you know, we've erased this sense of where did I come from?

00:29:01.000 What am I doing here?

00:29:02.000 What is my purpose?

00:29:04.000 You know, and a lot of that is due to the attacks on faiths and faith, the institutions of faith, the infiltration of institutions of faith by, you know, a lot of these, you know, by wokeism or whatever you want to call it, where people don't feel they really have any place to go.

00:29:22.000 But modernity, as you put it, has led us down this path.

00:29:28.000 I mean, Rousseau wasn't wrong.

00:29:29.000 Rousseau told us that the Industrial Revolution is going to alienate people.

00:29:33.000 There's something inherently alienating with a 21st century modern economy.

00:29:38.000 And what should we do to fix that?

00:29:39.000 I mean, I'm again going back to the Sabbath and blue laws. 0.98

00:29:42.000 Something to think about because if you, if all you do is work, you're no different than a slave.

00:29:50.000 The weaponization of loneliness by Stella Moribito.

00:29:53.000 Stella, I want to play a piece of tape here and we could talk about it.

00:29:57.000 Tucker Carlson pushing back against the mandatory pronoun regime pushed forward by the alphabet mafia.

00:30:04.000 If you want to stop being lonely, if you're lonely in this audience, let me give you some advice.

00:30:09.000 Speak your mind.

00:30:10.000 Stop self-censoring.

00:30:11.000 A remedy to loneliness is courage.

00:30:13.000 Play cut one.

00:30:15.000 So for every 10 people who are putting he and him in their electronic JP Morgan email signatures, there's one person who's like, no, I'm not doing that.

00:30:27.000 Sorry, I don't want to fight, but like, I'm not doing that.

00:30:30.000 It's in betrayal of what I think is true.

00:30:31.000 It's a betrayal of my conscience, of my faith, of my sense of myself, of my dignity as a human being, of my autonomy.

00:30:39.000 I am not a slave.

00:30:40.000 I am a free citizen, and I'm not doing that.

00:30:43.000 And there's nothing you can do to me to make me do it.

00:30:46.000 And I hope it won't come to that.

00:30:49.000 But if it does come to that, here I am.

00:30:53.000 Mandatory conformity actually creates loneliness.

00:30:57.000 It's rather the opposite, isn't it, Stella?

00:30:59.000 You would think that, oh, everyone agrees and you have something that you agree.

00:31:02.000 But if you do it by fiat and you force people, all of a sudden you have a society that isn't using reason.

00:31:10.000 And when you're not using reason, you actually end up really miserable.

00:31:13.000 Your thoughts, Stella.

00:31:15.000 That's exactly right.

00:31:16.000 No, that was a dynamite clip.

00:31:19.000 And it's so true.

00:31:21.000 Most people who go along with this stuff don't really believe it.

00:31:24.000 I mean, unless they've really been absorbed into the matrix of the internet or whatever.

00:31:31.000 Most people don't really believe that stuff.

00:31:35.000 And they go along with it because we are hardwired to connect with other people.

00:31:40.000 And the flip side of that is we have a primal terror of being ostracized.

00:31:45.000 And so that kind of dictates how we react in social situations.

00:31:49.000 So I wrote this book because I thought it was really important that we become a whole lot more conversant with these dynamics.

00:31:56.000 And there really is a lot that we can do to reach out.

00:32:01.000 I mean, yeah, we're fearful of the demonization that goes that seems to come from the, you know, the powers that be when we say something politically incorrect.

00:32:11.000 You know, they have a whole long list of names they call you, starting white supremacist, fascist, and, you know, this phobic and that phobic and, you know, conspiracy theorists and so on and so forth.

00:32:21.000 They've got a big long list and they keep coming up with new, new demonizing terms.

00:32:27.000 And people react to those.

00:32:29.000 And so they just kind of, they shut up about it.

00:32:32.000 But as Tucker says, it is so liberating to just tell the truth.

00:32:38.000 No, I am not doing that.

00:32:40.000 I am not playing that game.

00:32:43.000 And, you know, maybe you're going to try and make me do it.

00:32:45.000 And if it comes to that, I just love that line.

00:32:47.000 Here I am, like fall on trial.

00:32:49.000 I love it.

00:32:49.000 Here I am.

00:32:50.000 Stella, we only have a couple of minutes.

00:32:52.000 So Stella, let's just close this.

00:32:54.000 Can you give people advice from people suffering from loneliness?

00:32:56.000 Two minutes, let it rip. 0.76

00:32:58.000 Oh, my.

00:32:59.000 Well, first of all, understand that there are so many other people who feel exactly as you do.

00:33:06.000 You know, this sense of misery has been building and cultivating for a very long time.

00:33:13.000 And of course, it is the favorite tool of tyrants.

00:33:16.000 They can't get away with what they get away with unless you're fearful of expressing yourself and being yourself and saying what you really think.

00:33:27.000 And if you are fearful of that, you're only digging yourself deeper into a hole.

00:33:32.000 So, you know, there are a lot of ways around this.

00:33:35.000 First of all, as Tucker says, you know, just tell the truth.

00:33:38.000 You'd be surprised.

00:33:39.000 Now, everybody has a different threshold for that.

00:33:42.000 You know, some people who are dealing with a lot of brokenness, family brokenness, brokenness of faith and all of that, they really need leaders to help pull them through a lot of that.

00:33:53.000 It's going to take people, you know, Tucker is kind of leading the way.

00:33:56.000 You, Charlie, are leading the way.

00:33:58.000 There's so many other people leading the way.

00:34:00.000 But we, you know, some of us, just in our daily lives, there's so much we can do.

00:34:05.000 Just speak truth. 0.99

00:34:06.000 Maybe there is somebody at the grocery store like, ooh, I don't, you know, this bank tax is, you know, oppressive or, you know, or just something little like that or, you know, the pronoun thing is stupid. 0.94

00:34:17.000 I mean, you'd be surprised at how often people will agree with you when they thought, oh, yeah, I thought it was all alone. 0.72

00:34:26.000 Now, that's not to say someone might, you know, they might get mad.

00:34:30.000 But one of the most interesting things about that is if people do react that way, you've done something very powerful by telling the truth.

00:34:38.000 And what you've done is watered down the stereotype associated with your viewpoint.

00:34:44.000 I mean, you know, the left is trying to say, and everybody who believes this is all, you know, supremacist, you know, and yet, you know, you just meet somebody, a neighbor who likes you, maybe or implicitly trusts you, but doesn't really know what you believe.

00:34:59.000 So anyway, there's a lot of things that you can do to reach out.

00:35:02.000 The weaponization of loneliness.

00:35:04.000 Check it out.

00:35:04.000 Stella, thank you so much.

00:35:06.000 Well, thank you.

00:35:09.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:11.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:14.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 03, 2023

Tucker Carlson's Last Interview with Stella Morabito

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