00:00:23.000If you are so moved, Scott Pressler and Tyler Boyer joined for the entire episode for a conversation about how we are going to win in 2024.
00:00:33.000Email me your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com, but more importantly, go to tpaction.com.
00:01:05.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:19.000We were unsuccessful in that, but I was there on behalf of you, the grassroots, shaking hands, doing our best, and we fell short, but we gave it our best effort.
00:02:28.000We've been saying for quite some time that institutional Republican groups, the way they've been doing elections, is not in harmony with the grassroots.
00:03:05.000Well, now a new bombshell piece from NBC News.
00:03:08.000And you got to take it with a pound of salt because it's NBC News, but there is a lot of irrefutable data in here that is outside of the bias and the trappings by Alan Smith, NBC News.
00:03:19.000Republicans are spending millions of dollars on turnout operations that are deeply flawed, insiders say.
00:03:30.000Now, part of the article talks about how the Republican apparatus, not just the RNC, to be fair, not just the RNC, but Republican outside groups, they hire a bunch of paid door knockers and paid organizers, and they're fleecing donors.
00:03:52.000Hiring people, onboarding them, making sure they stay on message, holding them accountable.
00:03:57.000We now have over 300 employees in the turning point ecosystem.
00:04:01.000Yeah, that's a couple full-time jobs, and that will take decades off your life.
00:04:05.000You see, but when you're headquartered in Washington, D.C., as all these groups are, and they think they can just parachute in and outsource and hire a couple people here, and they're not actually in the trenches in the grassroots, especially if they didn't get a start being a grassroots activist like I did, like Scott Presley did, like Tyler Boyer did.
00:04:22.000It is kind of this, it is this mode of operation and behavior that is so foreign and distant to them.
00:04:28.000I got my start knocking on doors for Mark Kirk, who ended up being a rhino, but still, no relation in the suburbs of Chicago, Illinois' 10th congressional district.
00:04:36.000I wouldn't trade that experience for the world.
00:04:37.000Knocking on a thousand doors in suburban Chicago and Cook County, trying to argue for them to vote for a Republican during the Obama era, you learn a lot about grassroots conversations, grassroots humility, talking to people, trying to convince them and persuade them.
00:04:52.000Okay, so this article in NBC News is really something.
00:05:02.000But part of the article talks about how some of the people that were hired to go knock on doors that you probably donated money to.
00:05:10.000You probably got a triple match, donate, text in to give some money.
00:05:15.000Well, it turns out that one example they have here is one of the people that were paying said that they were knocking on these doors on the application, but in reality, that person was at Caesars Palace in Vegas.
00:05:29.000That this person was supposed to be knocking on doors, talking to voters, but they were really at a marijuana bar.
00:05:38.000Now, this is more than just an anecdote.
00:05:39.000This comes through a massive series of whistleblowers that are saying that the Republican groups that are allegedly in the grassroots are not.
00:05:47.000It's a synthetic veneer that is raising millions of dollars from you, the grassroots, and is not actually doing the difficult work that is necessary.
00:05:58.000Not actually doing clipboard and tennis shoes, not getting sweaty, not doing the stuff that is necessary to move the dial.
00:06:23.000But boy, we are not going to win without a transparent and honest operation.
00:06:30.000And so this article right here, NBC News, basically says that the money the Republicans have been spending broadly, not just the RC, has been very flawed and largely wasteful.
00:06:43.000And that's why we're thrilled to announce today, we want to do our part at Turning Point Action, that we're going to get into the arena.
00:06:50.000We're going to do our best to fix this.
00:06:52.000We're announcing today, it's now live on postmillennial.com, Turning Point Action.
00:06:56.000We are pledging $5 million to just Wisconsin ballot chasing efforts in collaboration with Scott Pressler.
00:07:41.000Scott, can you comment on this article of NBC News?
00:07:44.000This shouldn't come as a huge surprise to you, though, right, Scott?
00:07:46.000Because you're out there, you're actually doing the difficult work, and you're probably like, wait a second, why are all these other groups claiming they're doing the door knocking when it's really not getting done?
00:07:58.000Yeah, thank you so much for the opportunity, Charlie and Tyler, to be here.
00:08:02.000This article that came out today isn't a shocker.
00:08:06.000You know, I went down after the 2020 election for the runoff in the Georgia Senate race, and I saw this firsthand that we had countless conservative organizations knocking on doors in the area.
00:08:20.000But what I found is they were all using different applications and they were knocking on the same door over and over.
00:08:27.000And there was no collaboration, no teamwork, no communication.
00:08:32.000And yes, there was some fraudulent activity being done.
00:08:35.000And so I think that's why this is so important, the opportunity for me to partner with Turning Point Action and get as many conservative organizations working together, having that seamless communication and build that infrastructure for 2024.
00:08:53.000Yeah, and Scott, you're the one, you're doing the difficult work.
00:08:56.000Tyler, really quick, we're up against a break here.
00:08:58.000Tyler, can you just mention how special Scott is?
00:09:00.000I said yesterday, I don't care about this DeSantis Trump Iowa spending spree.
00:09:06.000Doug Bergham's going to come with 50 million, Tim Scott, 60 million.
00:09:39.000Well, Scott's been working with us for a long time in the background, talking about and assessing these issues that have been going on.
00:09:45.000So these are not, like as he said, not surprises, unfortunately, for most of us.
00:09:51.000But what we are doing is figuring out the solutions every day because we have to have people out on the grassroots that were figuring out how to build the army.
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00:11:50.000So one of the most concerning things right now that, and again, we're not trying to just like turn the total rockets here, especially after that NBC article, but right now we don't have anyone in Arizona that's built out on the RNC side.
00:12:07.000So it's a little bit concerning after coming out of 2022 to be in this position where it's like Arizona is a key target state.
00:12:17.000It's imperative to win the presidency.
00:12:19.000The RNC's job is to nominate and win the presidency.
00:12:24.000And right now we don't have teams built out here in Arizona.
00:12:30.000And it's not just the Republican Party, but the top campaigns for president don't have it.
00:12:36.000So you're looking at this and you're going, well, how are we so far behind and what is necessary?
00:12:40.000And this is the reason why we've been saying the permanent infrastructure of the outside groups is so important.
00:12:45.000That's why the Scott Presslers of the world, our version of the muscle that the left has built over the last 20 years is literally a Scott Pressler.
00:12:57.000And that's why your tweet yesterday of saying we need a thousand Scott Presslers.
00:13:05.000And I'm so grateful for Scott because he's willing to mentor and build all the South.
00:13:11.000And our side has to be really accepting of that, not only accepting, but we need to be focused on building these outside organizations that are going to get the job done, cycle in and cycle out.
00:13:22.000Because as we see, like we can't go eight months from the last election with basically no infrastructure built out.
00:13:35.000You're working late, sweaty days, not spending time in Caesars Palace.
00:13:40.000Let me read this right here from the NBC article.
00:13:44.000A few weeks before last fall's midterm election, a paid canvasser, so something that donors donated to, in Nevada, did what thousands of door knockers across the country were doing.
00:13:54.000They went on an app and marked off the homes that they had visited that day.
00:14:15.000So they say they fired him, but it goes, and they did the right thing.
00:14:19.000But it goes on to say this is not an isolated incident, that it was a widespread effort to misrepresent data and grassroots activity to try to get donors there.
00:14:30.000So I'm not, it's totally understandable that you have some lunatic and some lazy person.
00:14:34.000Lord knows we've dealt with that, Tyler, throughout a decade of doing this.
00:14:37.000What's not acceptable, though, is a pattern and a cover-up and a misrepresentation of it.
00:14:41.000Scott Pressler, what does a day in a grassroots warrior look like?
00:14:45.000And why does the Republican establishment not understand it?
00:14:49.000Well, for example, today we got data for voter registration for states across the country.
00:14:57.000I was able to report this morning that in the last 30 days, the Democrats have 2,500 fewer registered Democrats than they had one month ago.
00:15:08.000And we actually increased our numbers with Republicans by 600 in the last month in Louisiana.
00:15:15.000And this is important because this October, we have the opportunity to flip the governorship from blue to red.
00:15:22.000So I was already on the phone this morning with the grassroots activists talking about how our operation and voter registration is working, is producing results.
00:15:35.000And this evening, I'll be talking with grassroots activists across the country in Kentucky and Utah and Pennsylvania.
00:15:42.000You see, what people need to understand is I love that people want election integrity and they want to become election day workers and they want to do ballot harvesting legally, of course.
00:17:09.000And we've been talking about this quite a bit with donors in particular to just really educate donors because a lot have no idea.
00:17:15.000They've just been giving for 30, 40 years just to the RNC because they trust the Republican Party and the national ecosystem, the grass, what has basically become an anti-grassroots effort.
00:17:30.000But what we have been talking about with donors is in the grassroots is you've got to invest into things that are going to last long term.
00:17:39.000And if you think about it, the RNC, if you understand how the Republican Party works, you elect a state party chair basically every two years.
00:17:46.000You elect new leadership, and the turnover is really high.
00:17:51.000And oftentimes, they don't even complete their term.
00:17:54.000And so you are seeing basically an entire system break down basically once a year.
00:18:00.000And this is part of the reason why you can't build anything.
00:18:02.000And the left figured this out about 20 years ago.
00:18:04.000They said, they started going, this is crazy.
00:18:06.000We can't build an infrastructure that is data-centric because they had to because of post-Citizens United and dealing with dark money.
00:18:25.000And they've built an entire ecosystem that chases ballots, that gets out the vote outside of the DNC structure.
00:18:34.000So our mission has to be now is how do we identify our own people?
00:18:38.000How do we build our own warriors that can last, you know, cycle in and cycle out that can manage these things?
00:18:46.000And that's where Scott Pressler and the Scott Pressers of the world come in.
00:18:50.000And we should be jumping for joy when we see a Scott Pressler come into existence.
00:18:55.000You know, we should be saying, how do we replicate that?
00:18:58.000And so we're really excited about the investment that we're making and the work that we're doing because now it's about who do we identify that can attract people, attract human beings that can motivate the grassroots to get out and be participatory in these systems.
00:19:14.000And there's no better example of that than Scott in the world.
00:19:19.000And then there's a few other organizations like ours and Tea Party Patriots and a few others that can really do it.
00:19:26.000And so we're all working together and working together.
00:19:29.000But I wanted to kind of kick over to Scott and just let him kind of talk about, you know, what's the future?
00:19:44.000If we want to win, we need to use this time now to number one, register new voters.
00:19:50.000We have to grow the tent, grow the electorate, bring new people into our party.
00:19:55.000Number two, this is about conversion, converting unaffiliated voters to Republican.
00:20:01.000Arizona has voter registration by party.
00:20:04.000Pennsylvania has voter registration by party.
00:20:06.000Wisconsin does not, but there are 1.2 million unaffiliated voters in Pennsylvania, for example.
00:20:12.000Convert them to Republicans, get more data.
00:20:15.000Number three, I know that many of you won't like to hear this, but mail-in voters have an 86% more likely chance of voting, while election day voters have a 53% chance of likely voting.
00:20:28.000We need to get low-propensity voters, the zero out of fours, the one out of fours, meaning a person voted once out of four years.
00:20:36.000Get those low-propensity voters on the permanent mail-in voting list so their vote will be mailed to them.
00:20:42.000And then we knock on their door and ballot chase and make sure that they are locking in their vote.
00:20:47.000We need to also educate people on the importance of early voting.
00:20:51.000When I was in Northwest Wisconsin, there was two feet of snow on the ground.
00:20:57.000We need people to vote early in case of inclement weather, like in Nevada when it's snow on election day.
00:21:07.000And this is the infrastructure we need to build now.
00:21:09.000Because if we wait to only vote in November of 2024, I think honestly that Joe Biden is going to be cruising to victory.
00:21:17.000So it's going to be voter registration, early voting, ballot chasing, and building that infrastructure in the key states like Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona.
00:21:27.000Because, guys, this election is going to be decided by fewer than 50,000 votes: 10,000 in Arizona, 10,000 in Georgia, 15,000 in Wisconsin.
00:21:39.000That is the presidential election right there.
00:21:43.000And this is really important, Charlie and Scott, to understand what the left has done.
00:21:48.000So, and this is part of the conversation.
00:21:51.000We are all in for a really strong defense and trying to prevent more manipulation from the left in these specific counties that are doing this.
00:22:15.000But the reality is: this is if we just sit back and let them do this in blue counties and not do anything on the offense side, we're going to lose.
00:22:24.000And the best thing that I bring up with people that say, well, you know, it's just, it's, it's a pointless effort.
00:22:30.000You know, the left has what we haven't even tried to do this, people.
00:22:34.000Like, we need to be getting out and doing this for the first time ever and in some kind of coordinated way with these organizations all working together in unison.
00:22:43.000That's what Scott's talking about here.
00:22:46.000But, you know, you have to understand the left is not spending 50, 60, 70 million dollars in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia, and, you know, probably spend $150 million in Pennsylvania just for their health.
00:22:58.000If they didn't have to do any of that work, they wouldn't do it.
00:23:01.000They wouldn't spend $100 million on that stuff in each of those key target states.
00:23:05.000And so here's the reality: I don't think we need to match dollar for dollar with the left is doing because I don't think they're as effective as our grassroots.
00:23:14.000They just need the tools in their hands, the data in their hands, the technology in their hands, and they need leadership to say, hey, I need help attracting more volunteers and more full-time people to work on these things.
00:23:27.000And that's where the Scott Press come in.
00:23:29.000That's where the Charlie Kirks come in.
00:23:31.000That's where the Jenny Beth Martins come in.
00:23:33.000And that's where we can work together to really win this battle.
00:23:37.000Anyway, Scott, I don't know what your thoughts are on that.
00:23:44.000Well, I really wanted to encourage people with some data for a moment because I know there are people that share Tyler's sentiments at home and they're saying, you know, why are we going to do this?
00:23:56.000But guys, I want you to remember that November of 2022 with Adam Laxalt, we only lost by 8,000 votes.
00:24:03.000But guys, 150,000 Nevada Republicans didn't vote in that election.
00:24:08.000Imagine if we had that ballot chasing infrastructure or we did legal ballot harvesting in Nevada where it is legal and we did drop boxes at gun shows and churches and other Republican conservative areas.
00:24:20.000Oh my gosh, Adam Laxalt would be senator right now.
00:25:47.000And I think that this is a slap in the face to the grassroots.
00:25:50.000It's a slap in the face to every person that in 100-degree degree weather in Maricopa County, we're knocking on doors for Kerry Lake and we're knocking on doors for our grassroots.
00:26:00.000And I just think it's representative that the RNC is not listening to the people that matter.
00:26:24.000Let me read this from the NBC article because you mentioned Nevada, but it's not as if we didn't spend money in Nevada.
00:26:29.000Quote, donors have been eager to open their wallets for the type of work of getting early voting.
00:26:35.000And campaign finance records show canvassing is a multi-million dollar business.
00:26:39.000Just how effective those dollars are is questionable.
00:26:42.000Sources say, with some warning, the consequences of incorrect data could be significant.
00:26:47.000Because these numbers are recycled, they're used in text messages, they're used in mailers, they're used to target voters, said one GOP operative, Tyler.
00:26:54.000You know, we met what, seven or eight years ago, we immediately connected because I got started in the trench of the grassroots suburbs of Chicago.
00:27:01.000You know, you were Maricopa County chairman.
00:27:03.000Does the RNC have it in their DNA to actually build something in the grassroots?
00:27:08.000It's such a foreign concept to the DC lobbying crowd.
00:27:11.000Well, again, it's not really do they have the capacity?
00:27:16.000It's really should they be doing it, right?
00:27:27.000They should be hosting a very frugal convention to nominate a president of the United States.
00:27:33.000And they should be doing the perfunctory things that are necessary to do them successfully, like debates and things like that, that need attention and effort.
00:27:43.000These outside groups, the Scott Presslers of the world, are who we need to invest into for long-term action to make sure we get out the vote accordingly and chase the ballots that we need to chase while also putting effort and pressure on election integrity because this is part of election integrity.
00:28:00.000Bodies on the ground and bodies at doors will help us prevent fraud.
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00:30:16.000If I were in charge and I had the opportunity, I would begin hiring boots on the ground immediately, that they would be doing voter registration, growing the electorate, that they would be getting voters to sign up for mail-in ballots, that we would be doing trainings across the state of Wisconsin, for example, on the value and importance of early voting.
00:30:36.000It would be going to continued usage of the early vote action application that people can download on both Android and iPhone, that we can have people from the comfort of their home calling and texting prospective voters, doing polling, finding out their issues and getting important data to build that infrastructure.
00:30:58.000So it wouldn't be spent on things like TV or things that aren't, that you're actually talking to the voter.
00:31:24.000Tyler, why does the RNC have an office in Washington, D.C.?
00:31:28.000How is that going to win us voters in Maricopa County?
00:31:31.000We've been saying for a long time, Charlie, is like if I was running the RNC, I'd board up the building in DC and I'd open up an office in every key target state and run as much of our money and investment through those states and then work with these outside groups and encourage and support these outside groups to work.
00:32:27.000I mean, is Doug Bergam and Chris Christie and Asa Hutchinson, are they here to try to be a very big and distracting smokescreen operation so we don't build the grassroots?
00:32:36.000Scott, sorry to interrupt you, Tyler, but Scott.
00:33:06.000It's designed to take our eyes off the prize.
00:33:09.000We're here to register voters, do mail-in ballots, do early voting, get boots on the ground, have offices in key counties like Milwaukee and Madison and Maricopa and Philadelphia to make sure that our candidate next year can actually win.
00:33:27.000Yeah, I mean, Charlie, I cannot reinforce enough how important this moment is in American history.
00:33:33.000We have had the opportunity of a lifetime with retaking Ohio and Florida, which were our battleground states just 10 years ago.
00:33:42.000And now we have all we have to do is defend states and invest into states and invest into key activist leaders like Scott Pressler and so many others in early vote action and so many other organizations, Tea Party Patriots Action, us here at Turning Point Action, and get the bodies on the ground to defend America for another generation.