The Charlie Kirk Show

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00:01:16.000 Okay everybody, we have a special guest for you this hour, a great friend of mine, and we're just going to kind of catch up on air.

00:01:21.000 So you guys are going to see us catching up.

00:01:23.000 It's Chris Buskirk, 1789, of which is a great entity, and many other things that you're involved in to help save the Republic.

00:01:30.000 I'm trying.

00:01:31.000 I'm doing my best.

00:01:32.000 You're doing more than almost anybody else.

00:01:34.000 Well, not you, not you.

00:01:36.000 Well, we're working together.

00:01:37.000 You've been very helpful to us and I'm very appreciative and very grateful.

00:01:41.000 So Chris, let's, I mean, let's talk, you're running an effort called Turnout for Trump, which is amazing.

00:01:45.000 It's a super pack.

00:01:46.000 Let's just kind of stay, take a step back.

00:01:48.000 What is the state of this race?

00:01:49.000 It's very hard to get clarity on where we are.

00:01:52.000 What is your diagnosis of where we stand?

00:01:54.000 Yeah, so the PAC is called Turnout for America.

00:01:56.000 The project is Turnout for Trump.

00:01:58.000 Our lawyers would make sure we say it right.

00:01:58.000 I'm sorry.

00:02:00.000 I apologize.

00:02:01.000 I'll get an email if I don't say that.

00:02:02.000 That's a Charlie Kirk error.

00:02:04.000 Yeah, so look, I've said this so many times, I've got the muscle memory down on what I'm about to say, but it's true.

00:02:11.000 It bears repeating.

00:02:12.000 Everybody knows the path to the White House runs through the swing states.

00:02:17.000 No brainer, right?

00:02:19.000 However, how do we win those swing states?

00:02:21.000 And our insight here, and I don't think it's unique, but this is what we're really focused on doing, is the way you win the swing states is you get the low and mid-propensity voters to vote.

00:02:32.000 And it turns out that there are a lot of them.

00:02:36.000 I don't know.

00:02:36.000 It's a joke I tell.

00:02:37.000 I think it's funny.

00:02:38.000 I'm not sure anybody else does.

00:02:39.000 Like I said, they're Trump supporters.

00:02:41.000 They're not yet Trump voters.

00:02:44.000 And we need to basically bridge that gap and make sure they go from support to voting.

00:02:48.000 That's absolutely critical.

00:02:52.000 Because what has happened over the past, I don't know, maybe call it 20 or 30 years, The Republican Party has inherited the old Democrat working class base.

00:03:02.000 When the Democrats had that part of America as the base of their electorate, they had labor unions to do the organizing.

00:03:11.000 We have the people, we don't have the infrastructure.

00:03:14.000 We don't have the labor unions to do the political organizing for us.

00:03:19.000 Thus, we need to have efforts like what you guys are doing.

00:03:22.000 Like what we're doing with Turnout for America, which is to go and get these people who are mostly low or mid-propensity voters.

00:03:29.000 They're with us.

00:03:29.000 They agree.

00:03:30.000 We don't need to persuade them.

00:03:32.000 They're here for the cause.

00:03:34.000 Whether or not they vote, up in the air.

00:03:36.000 So I totally agree.

00:03:37.000 That's so smart.

00:03:38.000 I'm going to steal that, by the way.

00:03:40.000 Turning Trump supporters into Trump voters.

00:03:41.000 We're doing that, but I just love that one-liner.

00:03:44.000 Here's the way I frame it, is that we've already won the debate.

00:03:47.000 The debate is over.

00:03:48.000 Whether we win the election or win the count is a completely separate issue.

00:03:51.000 That's good, yeah, that's exactly right.

00:03:53.000 It's similar, right?

00:03:54.000 I firmly believe we are in the vast majority of the country when it comes, of the states that matter, of border, economy, foreign policy, Trump better, no question.

00:04:04.000 Can we translate that sentiment into ballots in boxes?

00:04:07.000 That's the name of the game.

00:04:09.000 That is the name of the game.

00:04:10.000 Like, I beat this drum all day, every day.

00:04:13.000 You know, look, you and I have talked about this off the air before.

00:04:16.000 It bears repeating on air so that people really hear it and digest it.

00:04:22.000 Democrats are really good at practical politics.

00:04:25.000 I've spent a lot of time over the past five or six years reading the literature from the left about how you do grassroots organizing, how you do grassroots turnout, how you, like, all of the stuff, like, people always make fun of Obama, like, the man's never had a real job.

00:04:39.000 You know, what's a community organizer?

00:04:41.000 That's fake.

00:04:42.000 Nope, it's not fake.

00:04:43.000 Turns out it's a real job.

00:04:45.000 They do real things.

00:04:46.000 They are very serious.

00:04:47.000 It sounds fake, right?

00:04:48.000 Community organizer.

00:04:49.000 Unless you are actually in it, you don't know what those people do.

00:04:53.000 They're basically professional agitators.

00:04:56.000 But they're not just agitators, right?

00:04:57.000 There's actually a method to the madness, and we don't have to wonder how they do it.

00:05:03.000 About it.

00:05:03.000 Like, there are literal manuals on it which are very intelligently written.

00:05:08.000 So I would recommend a book to everybody.

00:05:09.000 You can buy it on Amazon.

00:05:10.000 It's called Roots to Power.

00:05:12.000 It's the left-wing Bible on how you do community organizing, grassroots organizing.

00:05:17.000 I mean, it's just a very, very smart, well-written book.

00:05:21.000 It's maybe, I don't know, 40 essays?

00:05:23.000 And it deals with all these different scenarios.

00:05:26.000 Well, that's how you build infrastructure.

00:05:27.000 And that's what we're talking about doing here, because people Especially the sort of people who are now form the base of the Republican Party, like they get it, they understand what is at stake, they are with us on the big picture stuff, but people, and you probably see this all the time on what you're doing, they're not really sure what to do.

00:05:45.000 Like, okay, how do I, and it becomes demotivating.

00:05:48.000 They're like, this is bad, or that's good, but how do I actually make something happen?

00:05:54.000 You kind of see this with the now two attempted assassinations of the President.

00:06:00.000 People are really mad about it, obviously, rightly.

00:06:03.000 But nobody knows what they're supposed to do.

00:06:07.000 This is obviously terrible.

00:06:09.000 It's egregious.

00:06:12.000 They're not sure who to blame.

00:06:13.000 They know there's a they, like the lizard people or whatever, or somebody's doing this, but you're not sure who.

00:06:18.000 And so you wind up with all this energy, but it's not directed at anything.

00:06:22.000 That's correct.

00:06:23.000 And so the job here that we all have is we need to be able to direct all of this energy in a way that's productive.

00:06:29.000 I think that's so insightful.

00:06:30.000 And so let's just talk about Roots to Power.

00:06:32.000 A couple things you learned there that was the most remarkable that you said, wow, we're not doing that.

00:06:38.000 Well, I'll say here's a big picture thing that I learned because I sort of always had the same thought that a lot of people on our side do, which is like, God, these people are like crazy, wild-eyed, like ideologues, and they're dangerous because they're crazy.

00:06:55.000 That was sort of like maybe at a gut level that was it.

00:06:58.000 But not that they were organized.

00:06:59.000 Like, you had the sense that the stuff just kind of happened.

00:07:02.000 What I found out is that this stuff is actually very sophisticated.

00:07:05.000 It is extremely thoughtful.

00:07:08.000 It is very practical.

00:07:09.000 It has been honed over a long, long time.

00:07:13.000 You know, it's written at the level of something you would, like a case study you would get at, like, the Harvard Business School.

00:07:19.000 Like, it's very intelligent stuff.

00:07:21.000 So that was one, which is that just the The amount of intellectual firepower of tradecraft that goes into politics on the left is really impressive.

00:07:34.000 Which, on the one hand, is a little scary.

00:07:38.000 You're like, OK, actually, we're not just up against maniacs, we're up against really thoughtful, organized maniacs.

00:07:45.000 So that was one thing.

00:07:46.000 And that was something that said to me, which is, Okay, that's not great, but also, like, you can buy this book on Amazon.

00:07:53.000 Like, you can copy it.

00:07:54.000 It's not like a secret that's being held in a vault someplace.

00:07:56.000 They always tell their secrets.

00:07:58.000 Always.

00:07:58.000 They always do.

00:07:59.000 Right.

00:08:00.000 People always... Yes, of course.

00:08:01.000 People always say what they're going to do.

00:08:03.000 They want credit.

00:08:04.000 Yeah.

00:08:05.000 I mean, we saw this in 2020, right?

00:08:06.000 I mean, there was this famous article, which you probably remember, that was written by Molly Ball in Time magazine.

00:08:12.000 It came out, I want to say, February of 21.

00:08:14.000 The shadow campaign that won the 2020 election.

00:08:16.000 Yeah, right.

00:08:17.000 It was like, oh, you guys are complaining about, like, whatever, like the, you know, beaming, like, the results from the Dominion machines off the dark side of the moon or something.

00:08:28.000 Like, mm-mm, didn't do that.

00:08:29.000 Here's what we actually did.

00:08:30.000 And we're going to write a 5,000... Weekly Zoom calls, you know, shock troops in the streets, you know, voter integrity.

00:08:36.000 Like, here are the 50 things we did.

00:08:38.000 Yeah.

00:08:39.000 You don't have to, like, you don't have to use conjecture.

00:08:43.000 You could just ask them.

00:08:44.000 They'll tell you.

00:08:46.000 And so it's very sophisticated, very honed in, and again, there's a contradiction here that some conservatives have, is that they're all just kind of purple-haired, smelly people that forget to get out of bed in the morning.

00:08:57.000 What you're saying, though, that this is their job, that this is their life force, this is everything they care about.

00:09:04.000 How big is it, it being the... Huge.

00:09:09.000 Define huge.

00:09:10.000 And I agree, by the way.

00:09:12.000 It's very, I would say this, it's very hard to really quantify.

00:09:16.000 I would say it's, my belief is that what you can quantify is quite large, and there's a lot that you can't quantify.

00:09:24.000 It's like, sort of, how do you quantify some things?

00:09:27.000 Like, I mean, just take like the NEA, the National Education Association.

00:09:31.000 Eight million members, yeah.

00:09:32.000 Eight million members, lots of money, lots of organizing capacity.

00:09:36.000 That all by itself is bigger than any entity or combination of entities that exist in the right-of-center political ecosystem.

00:09:44.000 It's massive, and it's very well funded.

00:09:46.000 And we don't usually even count them in the sphere of Super PAC, C4, C3.

00:09:50.000 Correct.

00:09:51.000 That's just its own thing.

00:09:52.000 It's its own thing.

00:09:53.000 I mean, they spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year just on their own.

00:09:57.000 And it's just this one thing.

00:10:00.000 And there's lots of those things out there.

00:10:01.000 And it's just for Democrats.

00:10:02.000 Purely, strictly, and solely.

00:10:04.000 If you consider 100% being solely for Democrats, then yes.

00:10:08.000 That's right.

00:10:09.000 And so the size is worth dwelling on, because it's overwhelming.

00:10:13.000 And it's actually, it should be super, it should be very optimistic, because like, wait a second, they have this multi-billion dollar thing.

00:10:22.000 And they have tens of thousands of staffers that do nothing but this, and we're still like falling short on the margins in certain states?

00:10:28.000 It's rather remarkable, actually.

00:10:28.000 Yeah.

00:10:29.000 I think so.

00:10:31.000 And it also goes to show that if we do a little bit of that work, just a little bit, 5%, 10%, maybe that could be the quote-unquote missing ingredient.

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00:11:40.000 And so why is it that Democrats are better at the mechanics of politics?

00:11:45.000 It's not that they care more, because, I mean, you go to a MAGA rally, our people care a lot.

00:11:50.000 It's not that they do have more money, but that's a new phenomenon.

00:11:54.000 Is it something within how Democrats view politics in general that makes them more likely to do the clipboard and tennis shoes type of work?

00:12:01.000 So I've got like sort of two answers to that, which I think are neither one of them are totally right.

00:12:06.000 I think both are sort of like partially right.

00:12:10.000 One is, so here's my quip answer, but is I think is directionally correct, which is they're communists at heart and communists have been organizing for a long time.

00:12:19.000 Like Marx wrote about it, Lenin wrote about it.

00:12:22.000 It's deep in their political DNA.

00:12:25.000 I totally agree.

00:12:27.000 Sorry to interrupt, but how Christians gather after church and community, Democrats do politics organizing.

00:12:32.000 And this is the second part, which is, it's almost hackneyed to say it, but it is true, it is a religious culture.

00:12:41.000 And abortion adds an extra... That's the sacrament.

00:12:44.000 It is the Eucharist.

00:12:45.000 Yeah.

00:12:46.000 And I know people get crazy when I say that.

00:12:47.000 It's just true.

00:12:48.000 It adds this, this is my body, this is my... Correct.

00:12:52.000 Yeah, I mean, there's like, there's sort of that visual part, there's that tactile part.

00:12:56.000 But also, like, you don't have to take our word for it.

00:12:59.000 Like, just talk to an actual abortion activist. 100%.

00:13:03.000 I'm not even sure they would disagree with you.

00:13:05.000 They might actually disagree only in the sense that we don't like religion, so don't compare us to those people, but yes, this is holy.

00:13:13.000 Remember the Shout Your Abortion movement?

00:13:15.000 100%.

00:13:15.000 If you use every synonym of religion, purpose, higher calling, that's how they view abortion.

00:13:21.000 Yeah.

00:13:22.000 So you're right, I interrupted you, I'm sorry.

00:13:25.000 So as Christians view spreading Jesus to the lost, they view political organizing in Detroit?

00:13:31.000 100%.

00:13:31.000 100%. Because there's like, there's a real parallel between Christianity, which offers eternal salvation, eternal life,

00:13:44.000 They just want it now, in a secular version.

00:13:47.000 They want heaven on earth, they want a utopia that they think they can create through politics by forcing people to bend to their will by using the power of the state.

00:13:57.000 It is effectively a perversion of the true gospel.

00:14:02.000 I totally agree with that.

00:14:04.000 And so the change in the culture on the right is difficult, which is to be like, no, you guys have to now go do the sweaty work and the hustle work.

00:14:14.000 Part of this, though, is the change of the parties, is that we never used to have to do this.

00:14:19.000 Voting used to be a lot different.

00:14:20.000 Yep.

00:14:21.000 It used to be one-day voting.

00:14:21.000 Right?

00:14:22.000 Now we have mass mail-in voting, and unfortunately mass mail-in voting is here to stay for the foreseeable future.

00:14:27.000 And therefore, they created a model with mass mail-in voting, Advantage Community Organizer.

00:14:33.000 Advantage shock troops.

00:14:35.000 Meaning, if you have 5,000 people at your disposal, And everyone gets a ballot.

00:14:40.000 Well, the side that has 5,000 people is going to do better than the side that tells everyone to go vote on Election Day.

00:14:45.000 100%.

00:14:45.000 Also, the side that mails a bunch of ballots to an empty lot in Chicago is going to do pretty good, too.

00:14:50.000 And to Walmarts and to Home Depots.

00:14:51.000 And to the nursing home.

00:14:53.000 Yeah.

00:14:53.000 Yes.

00:14:53.000 Right.

00:14:54.000 Exactly.

00:14:54.000 So, I mean, right.

00:14:55.000 This is, like, just the point I think you're making, and I agree with it, is let's factor just straight-up fraud out of it for a second.

00:15:03.000 Like, fraud happens.

00:15:04.000 Like, we can stipulate that.

00:15:08.000 But leave that out.

00:15:09.000 The part that's legitimate, that's a part where you can win or lose these elections.

00:15:16.000 And we just have ceded the ground to that.

00:15:19.000 I know we've got a break coming up in a minute or two, but before we break, I do want to say this.

00:15:26.000 Look at some signal victories that the right has won over the past 40 or 50 years.

00:15:33.000 They have all been won because we have gotten organized around a particular issue.

00:15:38.000 Second Amendment is a great example.

00:15:41.000 We have now, I think it's 40 or 41 states that have some form of concealed carry.

00:15:45.000 Huge one.

00:15:46.000 Like Massachusetts has it.

00:15:48.000 New York has it.

00:15:49.000 California has it.

00:15:50.000 If you had told a Republican in like 1982, say, There's going to be a concealed carry law in New York.

00:15:57.000 They'd be like, you should stop drinking so much.

00:15:59.000 That will never ever happen.

00:16:00.000 It's happened.

00:16:00.000 That's right.

00:16:01.000 Why?

00:16:01.000 Because it was a very defined issue, we knew what we wanted, and we organized around it.

00:16:06.000 There were organizations like the NRA, like Gun Owners of America, a few others.

00:16:09.000 There were a bunch of state organizations.

00:16:11.000 Everybody said, this is what we're after.

00:16:12.000 We want this legislation passed.

00:16:14.000 And we spent 40 years, and now we have, you know, kind of 40-ish states that have this legislation.

00:16:19.000 Same thing happened with the pro-life movement.

00:16:23.000 Pro-life movement, I think, but there's a whole other topic, is a bit like the dog that chased the car down the street and cut the car, is not really sure what to do right now, but was able to work around judicial nominations to get to a point where Roe v. Wade was overturned.

00:16:38.000 That's right.

00:16:39.000 Now there's other work to be done, but the point is that after 50 years, There was success.

00:16:45.000 There was a defined goal.

00:16:47.000 Overturn Roe, that meant get the judges onto the Supreme Court.

00:16:50.000 That happened, and here we are.

00:16:51.000 Same thing with school choice.

00:16:53.000 Point is, when we define our goals and get organized, we can do it.

00:16:56.000 So Chris, let me ask you an unusual question.

00:16:58.000 If Kamala were to win, not through all the fraudulent stuff, what is her path?

00:17:02.000 What would she need to do?

00:17:03.000 What electorates does she need to drive up, and what would the configuration of her victory look like?

00:17:08.000 Yeah, I think I have to just take a pause here and collect my thoughts because that's such a horrific thing to even ponder for a moment.

00:17:16.000 It's terrible.

00:17:17.000 Look at the screens right there.

00:17:18.000 Can you imagine?

00:17:19.000 I just can't.

00:17:21.000 I know, exactly.

00:17:21.000 Why did you do that to me?

00:17:24.000 I guess I would go back to the way we started this conversation and say, look, the Democrats' path, Kamala's path to victory, is similar but not the same to Donald Trump's in a geographic sense, right?

00:17:37.000 So you have to win all the states that Joe Biden won, again.

00:17:40.000 So you've got to win North Carolina, you've got to win Georgia.

00:17:43.000 Well, North Carolina Trump won, but yeah.

00:17:46.000 Sorry, yeah.

00:17:48.000 Well, you have to go back and reassemble the same configuration of states, more or less.

00:17:54.000 Like, there's a couple of ways to flip it, but not really.

00:17:57.000 But who are the people who move that vote?

00:18:00.000 So, what we found out is, like in Pennsylvania, in Philadelphia, they really, really love democracy, because in the precincts in Philadelphia, more than 100% of the people vote.

00:18:12.000 I love it.

00:18:13.000 They're voting all the time out in Philadelphia.

00:18:15.000 Big democracy fans.

00:18:16.000 Big democracy fans.

00:18:17.000 Like, if voting once is good, voting twice must be better.

00:18:22.000 There is a part, if you look at Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, I know you stipulated up front, like, leave aside the fraud.

00:18:29.000 You can't, okay?

00:18:30.000 Because in Milwaukee and Philadelphia, that's just part of the political culture.

00:18:33.000 It has been for a very long time.

00:18:36.000 And Detroit.

00:18:37.000 And Detroit, for sure.

00:18:39.000 In all of these sort of, like, old school Rust Belt cities, there are still operating political machines.

00:18:44.000 I talk to people sometimes who say, like, No, that can't be real.

00:18:49.000 No, actually, it's real.

00:18:51.000 That's been a fixture of American politics for two centuries.

00:18:54.000 It has died out in some places.

00:18:56.000 In a lot of places, it still exists.

00:18:58.000 Look at Clark County in Nevada, same thing.

00:19:00.000 Harry Reid built a very effective political machine there.

00:19:03.000 It's not as good as it was when he was alive and running it.

00:19:05.000 It's still real and it's still effective.

00:19:07.000 And so you kind of go back to the old left of center political ecosystem.

00:19:14.000 You know, you're going to get the public sector, labor unions, so you're going to get, like we were talking about earlier, you're going to get the teachers, you're going to get these people, you're going to get the urban centers to come out heavy.

00:19:25.000 I think.

00:19:26.000 Okay, so this is, and this is I think a challenge for Kamala Harris.

00:19:30.000 We're not having as many mail-in ballots being sent out this year as we did.

00:19:34.000 That's correct.

00:19:34.000 It's not even close.

00:19:35.000 Not even close.

00:19:36.000 In some states it's down like... 80% in Pennsylvania.

00:19:39.000 Yeah, it's down huge.

00:19:41.000 So there's not as many, there's not many of those ballots out there.

00:19:44.000 So there's a fraud angle on that, which is just harder to do fraud at the same scale as 2020.

00:19:50.000 There's another aspect of it, which is just, they have to get their people out to vote on election day.

00:19:56.000 Now, as we were talking about earlier, do they have infrastructure to do that?

00:20:00.000 They sure do.

00:20:01.000 It's still hard.

00:20:02.000 It's still hard.

00:20:02.000 Their base is very transient, though.

00:20:04.000 It's hard to pinpoint them.

00:20:05.000 I totally agree.

00:20:07.000 You know, look, I think the difference maker here is going to be, particularly in places like Arizona, in parts of Pennsylvania, you think about a main line like Bucks County.

00:20:17.000 It's basically going to be college-educated, mostly white women.

00:20:21.000 This is the difference-maker.

00:20:23.000 Versus, the flip side is, can we get working-class men to vote?

00:20:28.000 To offset them.

00:20:29.000 Correct.

00:20:30.000 And do you think that's possible?

00:20:31.000 Yeah, I do.

00:20:32.000 Hard.

00:20:32.000 I mean, that's what you're working on.

00:20:33.000 That's the name of the game.

00:20:34.000 And by the way, it's better money to spend to turnout than to persuade.

00:20:38.000 100%.

00:20:38.000 Persuasion is far more expensive.

00:20:40.000 Very expensive, yep.

00:20:42.000 And that's the old model, but instead it's like, well, why don't you just get 2% more of the people that already like you?

00:20:46.000 It seems like easy math to me.

00:20:48.000 And the Democrats have always gone base first and then persuadable, correct?

00:20:52.000 Correct.

00:20:52.000 They go base first strategy.

00:20:53.000 That's what probably Roots to Power articulates.

00:20:55.000 Absolutely.

00:20:56.000 Absolutely right.

00:20:57.000 There's this phrase that gets repeated in a lot of the literature on the left.

00:21:03.000 And they say it a couple different ways, but basically it says, if you don't like the electorate,

00:21:08.000 get a new one.

00:21:10.000 And there's like...

00:21:11.000 Oh, that's so funny.

00:21:12.000 There's two versions of that, which is, I know, like I've said this to conservative

00:21:16.000 friends in the past, they're like, oh my God, see, that's just evidence they all know they're

00:21:19.000 going to cheat.

00:21:20.000 That's actually not what they mean.

00:21:22.000 What they mean is base first.

00:21:24.000 It's like, OK, who are the people we need to get registered?

00:21:27.000 Who are the people we need to get to turn out?

00:21:29.000 It's very, very practical.

00:21:31.000 If you don't like your electorate, get a new one like Springfield, Ohio.

00:21:33.000 Just import Haitians to vote for you.

00:21:36.000 Yeah, see, this is what every conservative says.

00:21:38.000 That's like the big picture.

00:21:40.000 I'm definitely part of it.

00:21:41.000 But that's like at scale.

00:21:42.000 But that's like at scale, that's definitely true.

00:21:48.000 But at a more tactical level, all they're saying is, let's go get our people.

00:21:53.000 There were these people who are ours that didn't turn out, or there are these people who aren't registered.

00:21:58.000 Let's go get them.

00:22:00.000 And they've been doing it very effectively for a long time.

00:22:03.000 And again, this isn't rocket science.

00:22:05.000 We just copy it.

00:22:07.000 It's like, oh, okay, yeah, good point.

00:22:09.000 It's like, you've probably seen this data, but it's...

00:22:13.000 You know, you look at all these states that we call swing states, if you look at, for instance, like hunting licenses, like there's all these, it's almost always men, there's all these men with hunting licenses who aren't registered to vote.

00:22:27.000 There's all these men with hunting licenses who are registered as Republicans who don't vote.

00:22:32.000 In a lot of cases, there are more of them by a multiple than the margin of victory for Biden v. Trump in 2020.

00:22:43.000 So concentrate your resources on getting the people that you've already got.

00:22:47.000 Mentally, you've got them.

00:22:48.000 They agree with you.

00:22:49.000 It's a little bit hard for political people.

00:22:51.000 It's hard for me, for sure, to say, well, OK, why aren't they voting?

00:22:55.000 I was going to ask, what do you find in the field?

00:23:00.000 There are a lot of people... Again, remember, we have a working class base now.

00:23:07.000 People, it's like, I've got two jobs, just don't have time.

00:23:11.000 There's part of that.

00:23:14.000 Crazily enough, and this almost sounds like a Democrat's talking point, it can be more complicated than you think it's going to be to figure out how to get an early ballot.

00:23:26.000 It's not that hard.

00:23:27.000 I mean, it's like five minutes of Googling or something.

00:23:29.000 But that's a barrier for some people.

00:23:31.000 And so a lot of the field work that people do is just helping people figure out what they're supposed to do.

00:23:36.000 In Arizona, we basically have universal, almost.

00:23:38.000 Yeah.

00:23:39.000 Thankfully.

00:23:39.000 But still, we have a lot of people that we want to get on the 8-bit list.

00:23:41.000 Correct.

00:23:42.000 And we need to try to transfer them over.

00:23:43.000 And that's only step one, though.

00:23:45.000 As you know, they get the ballot in the mail.

00:23:47.000 Oh, where did it go?

00:23:48.000 You've got to chase it.

00:23:49.000 You've got to chase it, you've got to get them to turn it in.

00:23:51.000 Oh, I think I threw it away.

00:23:52.000 Oh my goodness.

00:23:53.000 I hear that a lot.

00:23:55.000 There's also a big group of people think like, yeah, what's the point?

00:23:59.000 It's not going to matter.

00:24:00.000 It's just like the efficacy of the vote.

00:24:04.000 Which, weirdly, I don't know if you guys have ever tested this.

00:24:09.000 effective persuasion tools or arguments that our field people will use is just like, it's your civic duty.

00:24:18.000 It's the simplest, it cuts through everything.

00:24:20.000 Everybody knows that they should.

00:24:23.000 What they wonder is, does it matter?

00:24:25.000 And you just have to say, no, actually, you have a responsibility.

00:24:28.000 I heard you in the last segment talking about in the Christian faith, it's not like, what can God do for me?

00:24:34.000 It's what do we owe to God?

00:24:35.000 That's a big, important distinction.

00:24:37.000 You have responsibilities, right?

00:24:39.000 There's a rights version of the world, and there's a duties version of the world.

00:24:44.000 And if you appeal to people's duties, everybody knows they have them.

00:24:47.000 You just have to tell it to them.

00:24:49.000 And it does sort of boggle my mind, because why did we have to say this?

00:24:54.000 Didn't you know it?

00:24:55.000 But sometimes people just need reminding.

00:24:57.000 I mean, we see this in the Christian faith also.

00:24:59.000 There's a Sabbath every week.

00:25:02.000 Right?

00:25:03.000 There's a reason.

00:25:03.000 We need to hear it.

00:25:04.000 That's just the way humans are wired.

00:25:05.000 You have to have this stuff repeated to you.

00:25:07.000 And that's why doing fieldwork and to go just going and talking to people, helping them, you know, helping them navigate something that may be as confusing or it's not totally clear or just as a pain in the neck or whatever, it matters.

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00:26:23.000 What states, I mean the obvious states, you know, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada, which ones are you, do you want to inform our audience about that either need extra attention or you think that something interesting is going on?

00:26:36.000 The ones that I think really need a lot of attention are, well they all need attention, so let me stipulate that up front, but that's just stating the obvious.

00:26:45.000 Pennsylvania and Georgia, I think, need a bunch of attention.

00:26:47.000 By the way, if you win North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Georgia, it's over.

00:26:50.000 Correct.

00:26:51.000 You go three for three there, and he's the heavy favorite in North Carolina.

00:26:54.000 Yes.

00:26:55.000 Structurally, he's in a much better place than she is.

00:26:57.000 Georgia's goofy.

00:26:59.000 Georgia's weird.

00:27:00.000 It should be okay, but it's not.

00:27:03.000 Yes, and I have to tell myself that every single morning.

00:27:07.000 But it's not?

00:27:08.000 It looks pretty good for us, but it's too close.

00:27:12.000 It's like we're not where we should be.

00:27:13.000 We should be up five or six points.

00:27:15.000 Right, and we're up like one or two.

00:27:16.000 I know.

00:27:17.000 And that's just too close.

00:27:19.000 And Pennsylvania is its own beast.

00:27:21.000 It's its own presidential election in and of itself.

00:27:23.000 Correct.

00:27:24.000 Because you've got Eastern PA, you've got Philadelphia and Bucks County in the mainline world out there, you've got Central Pennsylvania, which is its own thing, and then you've got Western Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh.

00:27:39.000 Depending on how you think about it, there's like three or four Pennsylvanias, and they're all distinct, and you have to handle them all differently.

00:27:47.000 The other thing, because we're doing a ton of fieldwork in Pennsylvania at the moment, the thing you have to remember, just as a practical matter, when you're doing this type of canvassing and grassroots fieldwork, a lot of Pennsylvania is rural.

00:27:59.000 A lot of it.

00:28:00.000 Right?

00:28:00.000 That's hard to canvas, by the way.

00:28:02.000 Correct.

00:28:03.000 Correct.

00:28:03.000 It's just very time-consuming.

00:28:04.000 It's not like canvassing in Philadelphia or in Pittsburgh, where a single person or a team of two people or whatever can go and cover a lot of doors in a single day.

00:28:15.000 You have to drive from place to place.

00:28:16.000 It just takes time.

00:28:18.000 It's a heavy lift.

00:28:18.000 It's not as efficient.

00:28:20.000 Maricopa's almost built for ballot chasing, though.

00:28:22.000 You have a lot of people clustered, and you have a lot of wingers in the county in Maricopa.

00:28:29.000 Pinal, Yavapai, Mojave.

00:28:31.000 Arizona, I don't want to get too ahead of ourselves, but it's definitely in a better spot than Georgia.

00:28:35.000 I agree.

00:28:36.000 We agree.

00:28:36.000 Yeah, from a voter registration standpoint.

00:28:38.000 And Democrats seem to be running a very concerted campaign in Georgia right now.

00:28:42.000 I agree.

00:28:42.000 Because they know they got to win it.

00:28:44.000 Without Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, they're done.

00:28:46.000 That is cooked.

00:28:47.000 And that's honestly thanks to Trump.

00:28:48.000 He took Ohio off the map.

00:28:50.000 He took Florida off the map.

00:28:51.000 He took Iowa off the map.

00:28:52.000 It's pretty remarkable.

00:28:53.000 It's great.

00:28:54.000 Only he could do it.

00:28:55.000 And he has.

00:28:56.000 So J.D.

00:28:56.000 Vance, our friend, he's doing well.

00:28:58.000 He's doing great.

00:28:59.000 He's doing great.

00:29:00.000 I mean, look, he doesn't get enough love.

00:29:02.000 If he was getting 10x the love he's getting, it would not be enough, because he's absolutely killing it.

00:29:07.000 They're going to stop having him on CNN.

00:29:09.000 I think so.

00:29:09.000 It's a slaughter fest.

00:29:11.000 It's like, at a certain point, I was going to say you start to feel bad for Dana Bash.

00:29:15.000 That's not true.

00:29:15.000 I don't.

00:29:16.000 She deserves it.

00:29:17.000 She brings it on herself.

00:29:20.000 But he just goes on there and just eviscerates these people.

00:29:23.000 He does it with a big smile.

00:29:24.000 He's smarter than they are.

00:29:26.000 He's nicer than they are.

00:29:27.000 He's just like a good person.

00:29:29.000 He's a great person.

00:29:29.000 So he doesn't go on there and throw bombs.

00:29:31.000 He just kind of laughs.

00:29:32.000 And he's so factual.

00:29:33.000 Yeah.

00:29:34.000 I think he's really added a lot to the ticket.

00:29:36.000 And he's got his debate against Tim Walz coming up.

00:29:38.000 Looking forward to it.

00:29:41.000 J.D.

00:29:42.000 is the youngest person of the four.

00:29:45.000 What are you seeing with young men in your data?

00:29:48.000 So there's data and there's anecdata.

00:29:51.000 I love anecdata.

00:29:52.000 So my anecdata is insane.

00:29:54.000 I mean, I do this campus stuff.

00:29:55.000 We've done like six in the last week.

00:29:56.000 I've never seen it like this.

00:29:58.000 What do you see?

00:29:59.000 I'm interested in that.

00:30:00.000 Energy, enthusiasm, the young men are like, I mean, I'm telling you, Chris, we bring these MAGA hats, we run out of 500 of them in five minutes, and these kids are wearing these hats, and I've never seen anything like it.

00:30:11.000 And this is from Boulder to Madison, all across the country.

00:30:14.000 But I'm sure that also manifests in data as well.

00:30:19.000 You know what it does, and we see it in the data for sure, it's like basically if you are male between like 18 and 40, so kind of a broad spectrum, some millennials in there, some Gen Z in there, you're definitely voting for Trump.

00:30:39.000 If that was the electorate, Trump would win 50 states.

00:30:41.000 Correct.

00:30:43.000 What's really interesting is how J.D.

00:30:46.000 resonates with these younger guys.

00:30:47.000 And by the way, let me go back a step.

00:30:50.000 It is true regardless of race.

00:30:53.000 That's correct.

00:30:54.000 Now it may be more true in certain groups.

00:30:57.000 But Hispanic and white men are almost one to one right now.

00:30:59.000 Correct.

00:31:00.000 Black men, a little bit of a leakage.

00:31:02.000 Asian men, not as much.

00:31:04.000 But black men, the breakpoint there, it depends on the survey you're looking at, but breakpoints may be 45 years old, 50 years old, something like that.

00:31:11.000 If you're under 40 for sure, if you're under 45, you just don't have the allegiance.

00:31:17.000 Not only to the Democrat party, but to Democrats in general, to the ideas that they're peddling.

00:31:21.000 They have nothing but negative things to say about the left and the Democrats.

00:31:24.000 It's super interesting that it's very sex specific.

00:31:28.000 Like men are actually coming together.

00:31:30.000 We spend so much time in this country talking about race, but there's like this gender gap.

00:31:36.000 Why do you think that is?

00:31:38.000 I probably shouldn't say that on this show.

00:31:40.000 The culture's become hyper-feminine, and it needs a course correct.

00:31:43.000 And men are doing the correcting through political advocacy.

00:31:46.000 There is that part, which I agree with.

00:31:49.000 There's another element of it, because it's not all women.

00:31:53.000 It's single women.

00:31:54.000 Married women.

00:31:55.000 I remember there was this data point that came out in 2020.

00:31:59.000 I actually should look this up and see if it's true right now.

00:32:03.000 When you make a political donation, Really?

00:32:06.000 You have to specify your occupation, is one of the questions they ask.

00:32:10.000 The number one most chosen, not a majority, but it was the most frequently cited occupation,

00:32:15.000 homemaker, in donations to Donald Trump.

00:32:19.000 Wow.

00:32:20.000 Really?

00:32:21.000 Yes.

00:32:22.000 Yeah.

00:32:23.000 So it was like a little great factoid which tells you that basically it's not just man,

00:32:26.000 woman.

00:32:27.000 That's a first cut, but there's actually a lot more going on.

00:32:31.000 There's a family element to it.

00:32:33.000 People with families skew to the right.

00:32:36.000 We live in the real world.

00:32:40.000 Our friend JD made a comment about the cat ladies, and that really offended the cat ladies, but people who don't have these sort of familial attachments, something goes wrong with them in their middle age.

00:32:50.000 Why is it that they go so far to the left?

00:32:52.000 What about the left do they find to plug into?

00:32:56.000 I think there's probably a bunch of different things there.

00:32:58.000 There's some different threads.

00:33:01.000 There's sort of a resentment at society.

00:33:04.000 You didn't get what you thought you were going to get, whether it be a family, a house, Whatever, there's that part of it.

00:33:12.000 I think that as those people age and don't have familial attachments, the only other people that they're talking to are like them.

00:33:20.000 They get into these insular groups and spin each other up.

00:33:24.000 And then there's another part which is you need some type of stability in your life, and government offers that.

00:33:31.000 And then you also want some place where you have agency, so you want to use government as a surrogate to enact your will upon others.

00:33:39.000 And that's actually the part that is most damaging and most evil.

00:33:42.000 Because it's not... Like, if you want to be a cat lady and have a cat and no kids, fine.

00:33:47.000 That's your business.

00:33:49.000 But let's leave it there.

00:33:50.000 Don't use the government to work your woman and everybody else.

00:33:52.000 We're running out of time, but just show just 73 on b-roll.

00:33:55.000 Just some of the energy we have on campus there.

00:33:57.000 Chris can see that.

00:33:58.000 We can't give those MAGA hats away quick enough.

00:34:00.000 Look at that.

00:34:01.000 Got a pile of them.

00:34:02.000 Isn't that great?

00:34:03.000 We've got 2,000 kids there.

00:34:05.000 And we have another one tomorrow, by the way.

00:34:06.000 We're at the University of Pittsburgh in Penn State tomorrow.

00:34:08.000 And we registered 100 new people last night at a frat meeting at ASU.

00:34:11.000 I love that.

00:34:12.000 Chris, thank you so much, and looking forward to catching up more.

00:34:15.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:16.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:19.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

Turning "Trump Supporters" Into "Trump Voters" ft. Chris Buskirk

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