The Charlie Kirk Show - Two and a Half Years for Trespassing with John Strand and John O'Shea

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, time to Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 John O'Shea, who is running for office in Texas to primary an incumbent Republican, joins us.

00:00:07.000 And then John Strand, who has been targeted by our government in Soviet fashion on the J6 charges. 0.89

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00:00:28.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:10.000 There is a lot of dissatisfaction with the Unit Party right now.

00:01:13.000 A lot.

00:01:14.000 In fact, I'm getting emails.

00:01:16.000 People are angry, angry.

00:01:19.000 In fact, I think some of it's a little bit unfair towards Marjorie Taylor Green.

00:01:23.000 I'm not saying you have to agree with her vote, but I mentioned she was speaking at our Young Women's Leadership Summit.

00:01:27.000 I got like 60 emails.

00:01:28.000 Charlie, why would you do that?

00:01:30.000 Okay, everyone's temperature is really high right now.

00:01:32.000 I'm acknowledging it.

00:01:33.000 I'm not even debating it, just making a factual statement.

00:01:38.000 And a really interesting situation happening in Texas's 12th congressional district.

00:01:44.000 There is a race that is unfolding.

00:01:47.000 I think it's really important.

00:01:49.000 And you have here a situation, an internal poll conducted for John O'Shea for Congress finds a majority of 2024 Republican primary voters identify with American First Republicanism.

00:02:03.000 Joining us now is John O'Shea to help us make sense of all this.

00:02:09.000 Welcome to the program.

00:02:10.000 Thank you for having me on.

00:02:11.000 I appreciate it.

00:02:12.000 And a happy 11th anniversary.

00:02:13.000 I've been a longtime admirer of the work that you and Turning Point do.

00:02:16.000 Well, thank you.

00:02:17.000 One of the reasons, I appreciate that.

00:02:18.000 One of the reasons we wanted to have you on is that people are upset.

00:02:21.000 They're fired up.

00:02:21.000 They say, what can we do?

00:02:22.000 Tell us about your race and how you believe it's a microcosm of a macro problem happening in our country.

00:02:28.000 Yeah, I do.

00:02:29.000 You know, in fact, I was giving a talk last week, and I think most of what I'm hearing as far as the anger and the resentment is that the Republican voters, by and large, don't feel like their will is being heard and represented by their elected legislators or leaders.

00:02:44.000 So, for example, here in Texas, just recently, we had a majority of Republicans actually vote on a sham trial basis, our outstanding Attorney General and my good friend Ken Paxton, and people are up in arms about that.

00:02:57.000 And as you were discussing earlier in the show, there are people who are very, very furious with this House for having passed that debt ceiling limit.

00:03:06.000 And interestingly enough, you mentioned the wonderful people at Patriot Mobile.

00:03:11.000 They had an event this weekend, and I had the fortune of being able to play golf with both Congressman Keith Self and with Jim Jordan.

00:03:19.000 And they were on opposite lines of the issue.

00:03:22.000 And I appreciated the logic and the ration for the Marjorie Taylor Greens and the Jim Jordans and what they were trying to accomplish.

00:03:29.000 But I hear you.

00:03:31.000 And I think the people here in both Texas 12 and throughout the state and throughout the country are just tired of feeling like their voice and their will is not being heard.

00:03:38.000 So tell us about your district.

00:03:39.000 Tell us what is it composed of.

00:03:41.000 And then tell us, from understanding, you're primaring a sitting Republican congresswoman.

00:03:47.000 Is that correct?

00:03:48.000 Yes, I am.

00:03:49.000 Her name is Kay Granger.

00:03:50.000 She's currently the chairwoman of appropriations. 0.99

00:03:52.000 So probably the most powerful woman in Washington, D.C. right now.

00:03:57.000 But, you know, and I appreciate the service that she's given, and she was previously the mayor to that and served on city council.

00:04:04.000 But our founding fathers didn't envision a political professional class, and she's been there a long time.

00:04:11.000 And frankly, I think right now that this country is looking for and seeking new leadership.

00:04:16.000 And one of the things that people admire so much about President Trump was that he was an outside business person who would bring that kind of common sense and business skills to the office, and that he wasn't born of or part of the establishment.

00:04:28.000 So the district itself is the largest city, it's Fort Worth, Texas.

00:04:32.000 It represents about half of Tarrant County, and then it extends out into a more rural area called Parker County, which the biggest cities there are Alito, Weatherford, and up to Mineral Wells.

00:04:43.000 Okay, so then what trends are you seeing in your district?

00:04:46.000 So it's a very conservative district, as just looking at the composition of it.

00:04:50.000 It involves Weatherford, Texas, which is some very conservative folks, White Settlement, Carter.

00:04:56.000 I mean, these are some pretty right-wing areas.

00:04:59.000 So tell us about the composition of the district ideologically and why you think your ideas are a better fit for this district.

00:05:07.000 Yeah, well, you know, it's interesting.

00:05:09.000 I have just recently gotten involved on a grassroots basis politically.

00:05:14.000 I was like a lot of people throughout the country, just enjoying my life and taking care of my family and, you know, trying to serve my community in different ways.

00:05:24.000 But as I've gotten involved, because basically, I frankly, as I term it, I used to consider myself a conservative, but I don't think there's anything left to conserve anymore.

00:05:33.000 So now we need to be restorers of our constitutional God-given rights.

00:05:37.000 And I've noticed that anger from other people, but you know, you always worry about, am I just in an echo chamber?

00:05:43.000 You know, I'm a precinct chair.

00:05:44.000 So is this just other precinct chairs who are politically involved?

00:05:47.000 And so we commissioned a poll from our mutual friend Richard Barris.

00:05:51.000 Great guy.

00:05:52.000 And what it came back absolutely showed that I was on the money in my assumption, which is this is an America first district.

00:06:00.000 It's the 15th largest county in the country.

00:06:04.000 It is the last large red county in the country, too.

00:06:07.000 And so it's constantly under attack.

00:06:10.000 And there are a lot of outside money trying to flip this.

00:06:13.000 But we did just have a successful municipal elections here in the midterms, and we stayed red throughout.

00:06:20.000 The problem is, though, that a lot of the people who are running in these offices aren't truly conservative.

00:06:26.000 So, for example, Congresswoman Granger kind of flirts with being an establishment, moderate, conservative, you know, conservative type.

00:06:34.000 And that's just not where the base is. 0.61

00:06:36.000 The base is 100% behind Donald Trump.

00:06:38.000 And in fact, Congressman Granger actually betrayed President Trump.

00:06:42.000 She was very dismissive and just outright hostile towards him when he first ran for office.

00:06:50.000 And then he actually endorsed her in her first big primary challenge for the 2020 election because he needed her vote, obviously, for the impeachment hearing.

00:06:59.000 And then she took the endorsement and then she didn't even bother to vote for the impeachment.

00:07:02.000 She said she was sick and that Republicans don't vote via proxy.

00:07:06.000 And then she proceeded to vote 15 times that session via proxy.

00:07:11.000 So the grassroots is fired up.

00:07:14.000 You know, there's probably going to be a lot you're going to be up against a lot.

00:07:17.000 What is the process?

00:07:18.000 What is the timeline?

00:07:19.000 And then talk about, you mentioned this briefly, and I've been outspoken on this.

00:07:24.000 What is the latest with the Ken Paxton situation?

00:07:26.000 It's getting a lot of national headlines.

00:07:28.000 Has some people very confused?

00:07:30.000 What's going on in Texas?

00:07:31.000 Well, it'd be interesting to see just exactly how many of the people in the legislature right now are accepting money from pharma.

00:07:40.000 But I don't think it's coincidental that Ken has been the most effective attorney general in pushing back on these unconstitutional attacks by this current regime in the White House.

00:07:50.000 And most recently, he was looking into both the vaccines and whether or not there was any legitimacy about the concerns and possible fraud for stating that they were safe and effective.

00:08:05.000 And then he also just recently started investigations into a couple of hospitals for the gender mutilation surgeries of the minors.

00:08:12.000 And that's something that was very prominent in the legislative session this time.

00:08:18.000 The issues that are at hand, and I actually have some personal knowledge because Ken and I have been friends for 20 years, that the first time they went after him, they really, pardon the pun, but trumped up the charges.

00:08:31.000 And he shares a lot and similarity with President Trump, and that's why they're strong allies.

00:08:36.000 But they went after him.

00:08:38.000 They actually jury, they court-shopped it.

00:08:41.000 They judge-shopped it.

00:08:42.000 They transferred it from McKinney County to Maya County, Tarrant County.

00:08:47.000 They got that judge conflicted.

00:08:48.000 They then transferred it to Harris County.

00:08:50.000 He had a Democrat judge who ruled in his favor.

00:08:53.000 It got appealed to a Democrat appellate court, ruled in his favor, and then they appealed it up to the Criminal Court of Appeals, which is a little unique in the state of Texas, all Republican justices on that court, and they've just sat on it.

00:09:07.000 So they can say that he continues to remain under impeachment.

00:09:10.000 Well, another dust-up happened about three years ago, and he had been under investigation by the Merritt Garland Department of Justice.

00:09:18.000 And in the meantime, we had elections, and Ken won overwhelmingly.

00:09:23.000 So we actually have a process here where anything that's supposed to have happened prior to an election really can't be used for impeachment.

00:09:31.000 But this current House of Representatives, again, Republicans who really are not Republicans, but just run because they know they can't win as a Democrat, and they lie to the voting public, went ahead and trumped up a emergency 48-hour kangaroo court that they just kind of did behind closed doors.

00:09:48.000 There was no transparency.

00:09:49.000 They had a hearing on the last day of Congress in the session, and then, by and large, voted for the impeachment to send it to the Senate.

00:09:59.000 Now, the Senate has a very conservative bent to it.

00:10:03.000 Plus, our Lieutenant Governor Dean Patrick is a very strong Christian conservative person.

00:10:09.000 So I think he will get a fair hearing there.

00:10:11.000 But it literally was just a railroad of take our word for it.

00:10:15.000 We don't have to show you any evidence.

00:10:16.000 There's no new evidence we know of.

00:10:19.000 Well, I just find it laughable that a state that is being invaded with 5,000 people a day is worried about the impeachment of an attorney general who's been strong on constitutional stuff.

00:10:29.000 It's unbelievable to me.

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00:12:07.000 Question, John.

00:12:09.000 As far as what you were going to be focused on, it seems as if that the regime is covering their tracks on the Biden crime family.

00:12:19.000 In fact, there's some breaking news from James Comer that we're going to be cutting out.

00:12:23.000 Let's play cut six, please, in regards to the DOJ, play cut six.

00:12:31.000 This corruption scheme has been going back to the time that Joe Biden was vice president.

00:12:37.000 But what's really alarming about this is, as we know, the FBI has a mole in there that's advising Hunter Biden as to the investigations by the name of One Eye, which in saying it, it sounds like it's something out of a James Bond movie, but unfortunately, it's true.

00:12:52.000 With the amount of evidence that's coming forward, it's scary to think that this guy that's currently sitting in the White House has become this corrupt, and it's really only doing one thing, and that's aiding and abetting the Communist Chinese Party. 0.86

00:13:06.000 So there's an active leaker within the FBI that's giving Hunter Biden inside information.

00:13:10.000 We shouldn't be surprised about this, John, your reaction.

00:13:13.000 No.

00:13:14.000 Well, you know, honestly, Confession by Projection is one of the Democrats' go-to plays.

00:13:20.000 And, you know, what they accused President Trump of is, in fact, what they themselves were guilty of.

00:13:25.000 And I don't understand how people can't see that there's a very clear-cut two-tier system of justice right now.

00:13:31.000 And a two-tier system of justice is no justice at all.

00:13:34.000 I'm sure, you know, the times that I've seen your show and people visiting, I mean, the outward hostility and anger over the fact that nobody's been indicted.

00:13:43.000 Nobody's been brought with charges except for Republicans.

00:13:48.000 They can rush through criminal charges on George Santos, and yet they've sat on this information about the Biden crime family for the last three, four years.

00:13:58.000 I mean, it's just, if nothing else, their brazenness at least has unmasked them.

00:14:02.000 And now most people are awake, if not woke.

00:14:05.000 I want to play cut 28, James Comera some breaking news.

00:14:09.000 The officials confirm that the unclassified FBI-generated record has not been disproven and is currently being used in an ongoing investigation.

00:14:20.000 At the briefing, the FBI again refused to hand over the unclassified record to the custody of the House Oversight Committee.

00:14:28.000 And we will now initiate contempt of Congress hearings this Thursday.

00:14:35.000 Given the severity and complexity of the allegations contained within this record, Congress must investigate further.

00:14:42.000 Congress must investigate further.

00:14:44.000 And he confirms that this was all about Vice President Biden pay-for-play bribery scheme with the foreign national.

00:14:51.000 John, in closing your final reaction.

00:14:53.000 It's not shocking.

00:14:55.000 I mean, the only thing I ask is that they actually do hold them in contempt and actually get something done with it.

00:15:01.000 You know, if you're Dr. Peter Navarro or if you're Steve Bannon and you rely on executive privilege and then they go ahead and shackle you and bring you into court, the same needs to be done for the opposite side as well.

00:15:12.000 I mean, it's just time for people to see fair and equal treatment across the board.

00:15:16.000 Likely will not happen.

00:15:17.000 John O'Shea, thank you so much for joining us and best of luck.

00:15:20.000 Thank you.

00:15:21.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:15:22.000 I appreciate it.

00:15:22.000 Joe Scarborough is now getting pretty upset.

00:15:26.000 He's really fired up about how Republicans are saying all this stuff is happening against Joe Biden play cut four.

00:15:34.000 And yeah, this Biden crime family and Hunter Biden's laptop and this, that.

00:15:40.000 As we say, if he's guilty of a crime, arresting, charging, but all these things about like the Biden crime family, this, that, the other.

00:15:51.000 They keep pushing and it ends up at the end of the day just being an embarrassment for them.

00:15:57.000 And as Katie said, most Americans just don't care about this unless you're the wife of a Supreme Court justice that's talking about putting the Biden crime family on barges outside of Gitmo.

00:16:10.000 So, Joe, did they commit a crime or not?

00:16:12.000 The unwillingness to prosecute obviously doesn't correlate to whether or not they have committed crimes.

00:16:17.000 It's obvious they've committed crimes.

00:16:19.000 The question is, which crime do you want to focus on?

00:16:21.000 The foreign representation, the money funneling in from China, the treason, the tax fraud, the gun registration fraud.

00:16:29.000 Joe Scarborough is a spokesperson for the intel agencies and for the national security state.

00:16:34.000 And he's doing his job.

00:16:36.000 And you're trying to tell me people care about Donald Trump being indicted in New York?

00:16:40.000 Oh, come on.

00:16:41.000 This is Operation Mockingbird.

00:16:42.000 They are preparing to try and run some interference for Joe Biden.

00:16:47.000 Simultaneously, Donald Trump is likely going to be facing four separate indictments, four separate indictments, going into the Iowa caucus in January, February.

00:16:58.000 They didn't set a date yet for the Iowa caucus.

00:17:00.000 It's usually around January, February.

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00:20:14.000 Very important story here about the malpractice that is occurring in these January 6th prosecutions.

00:20:24.000 Joining us now is John Strand.

00:20:26.000 He was sentenced to 32 months for being at the Capitol on January 6th, has footage showing he didn't do anything other than really trespass.

00:20:34.000 And there's a lot more to this story.

00:20:35.000 And isn't it just amazing?

00:20:36.000 John, welcome to the program.

00:20:37.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:20:37.000 Great to be here.

00:20:38.000 John is being criminalized.

00:20:39.000 John is being targeted by his government.

00:20:41.000 Meanwhile, 10,000 people are breaking in and invading our country every single day.

00:20:45.000 Yet it's American citizens that are being targeted by their own government.

00:20:48.000 I just find that interesting.

00:20:49.000 John, tell us your story.

00:20:51.000 Charlie, so I was at the Capitol in Washington, D.C., as a security guard to chaperone and protect a scheduled speaker at a rally with a government-approved permit.

00:21:02.000 So many of your audience may actually know Dr. Simone Gold, the founder of America's Frontline Doctors, who I work for as the creative director at Frontline Doctors.

00:21:10.000 But I was there to chaperone her through a large crowd and make sure she didn't get trampled.

00:21:14.000 And she was simply there to fulfill her obligation to give a speech.

00:21:17.000 And of course, things went crazy.

00:21:20.000 Government agent provocateurs and so forth that caused the day to become confusing, chaotic, and at times, sadly, even violent.

00:21:27.000 But of course, we weren't violent and most of the people there weren't violent.

00:21:31.000 And as you mentioned, the DOJ has gone completely off the rails in weaponizing the law against the people and demonizing a whole segment of people as violent terrorists and insurrectionists when most of them were innocent, framed, and entrapped by a government sting.

00:21:48.000 And so I was involved in that.

00:21:51.000 The keynote, Charlie, about my story is that most of these January 6th defendants have taken pleas.

00:21:57.000 Why is that?

00:21:58.000 Well, most of them have been massively overcharged, which is illegal, but the DOJ does it anyway.

00:22:02.000 So they threaten you with 20-year felonies that you can't even contemplate handling that.

00:22:07.000 And so you just take whatever plea they give you.

00:22:10.000 But that allows them to immediately build this massive registry of defendants that they claim have admitted in advance that they knew it was wrong and they knew that they were committing a criminal act beforehand.

00:22:20.000 So they're building a narrative about intent that's false.

00:22:23.000 So I refused that plea, number one, because I'm innocent and I fully believe in my complete innocence, but also because I was not going to participate in a government weaponization to target and destroy so many people as we've seen.

00:22:36.000 Yes.

00:22:36.000 So first of all, you should be pardoned 100% if a new Republican takes over.

00:22:40.000 This whole thing is outrageous.

00:22:42.000 But just let me show I understand so that we are on the same kind of page here.

00:22:47.000 Was there ever a conversation through your attorneys or bluntly from the Department of Justice where somebody said, hey, if you cooperate, if you do something, you might get a better deal.

00:22:59.000 Was that ever communicated to you in code or bluntly?

00:23:02.000 Oh, outright, right out of the gate.

00:23:05.000 So as soon as I was charged with a 20-year felony and four misdemeanors, the DOJ within weeks offered me a plea of a single misdemeanor.

00:23:13.000 So Dr. Gold, who was my co-defendant, we were charged together, had the exact same charges.

00:23:17.000 We took the exact same steps through the building that day.

00:23:20.000 So everything we did, we did together.

00:23:22.000 She gave a speech.

00:23:23.000 I guarded her while she did it.

00:23:24.000 But otherwise, we did the exact same things.

00:23:26.000 She took the plea.

00:23:28.000 So she only had a single misdemeanor, Class B, and was sentenced to two months in prison for that.

00:23:33.000 For myself, doing the exact same actions and actually working under her as her employee, I instead went to trial and I rejected that single misdemeanor plea, even though I knew I would be convicted of all charges.

00:23:45.000 I knew that in advance and I did it anyway, and subjected myself to a potential 23 years of prison.

00:23:51.000 I was just sentenced on Thursday to 32 months prison and 36 years probation.

00:23:56.000 So almost another six years of my life that the government wants to torture me.

00:24:00.000 But I did that because the charges are false.

00:24:02.000 Yeah, do you regret not taking the plea?

00:24:04.000 Not one bit ever.

00:24:06.000 I knew two years ago when I made this decision, I knew exactly how this was going to go.

00:24:10.000 I knew these trials are rigged.

00:24:12.000 They are shams. 1.00

00:24:13.000 I know the juries in Washington, D.C. are not only biased, they are salivating to crucify anyone that they can get in front of them and extract their pound of flesh against a MA American or a supporter of President Trump, of which I am proudly and unashamedly.

00:24:29.000 So I knew I'd be convicted before I got there, but I knew that this was the right thing and that God's called me to do the right thing, no matter what the cost, even if it means three years in prison.

00:24:38.000 So you've been sentenced to three years in prison?

00:24:41.000 Almost three years, 31 months and 36 months.

00:24:43.000 So what were you sentenced?

00:24:46.000 What were you convicted of?

00:24:48.000 What actual criminal code did they convict you of?

00:24:51.000 So the key one is the 20-year felony, which is a total bastardization of the law that they're using in J6 cases for hundreds of the defendants.

00:25:00.000 And that is Title 18 Code 1512.

00:25:03.000 They refer to it colloquially as obstruction of justice, but that's not the title of the statute.

00:25:08.000 The title is witness tampering.

00:25:10.000 This is a accounting loophole law that was passed in 2002 by George Bush.

00:25:15.000 When he passed the law, he specifically said this should not be used against private citizens for protest.

00:25:21.000 Rather, it was for court cases, civil litigation to prevent people that were destroying or tampering with evidence or otherwise intimidating witnesses to achieve a corrupt result in a civil trial with, you know, post-Enron scandal is where this came from.

00:25:36.000 So that's the crime.

00:25:37.000 It's never been used in this way in 20 years of jurisprudence with thousands of other uses.

00:25:42.000 So this is totally the wrong law and a totally illicit use of law.

00:25:46.000 It's a crime by the DOJ is what it is.

00:25:49.000 But I was convicted of that felony.

00:25:51.000 You got convicted for obstruction of justice or witness tampering.

00:25:54.000 What is the actual USC code?

00:25:56.000 Title 18, USC Code 1512 C2.

00:26:01.000 Okay.

00:26:01.000 So, I mean, tampering with a witness, victim, or informant, how on in what reality is being pushed into the Capitol by other people, which is your video?

00:26:12.000 Yep.

00:26:13.000 How is that witness tampering?

00:26:15.000 I mean, witness tampering would be more like what the cartel does with an informant in Tucson, right? 0.99

00:26:21.000 I mean, like, I'm going to blow your brains out or I'm going to murder your dog if you testify against me, right? 0.99

00:26:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:27.000 No, this is in the DOJ's team. 1.00

00:26:30.000 This is in the DOJ's reality, otherwise known as teen lunacy, as I call it.

00:26:34.000 This is totally detached from actual reality, Charlie.

00:26:37.000 I mean, even the common layperson that doesn't have experience with law can read that statute and understand this is not even apples and oranges.

00:26:45.000 I mean, this is, you know, Earth and Mars.

00:26:46.000 It's totally a different universe.

00:26:49.000 Yeah.

00:26:50.000 So the, so what else were you convicted of?

00:26:53.000 That count and four misdemeanors, including okay.

00:26:58.000 Well, including entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds, which would be what we refer to as the trespass element.

00:27:06.000 However, trespassing, this is just generally speaking and in this actual statute that I was convicted of, trespassing requires a couple of things, that you are aware that you're not supposed to be there and that you refuse to leave if someone asks you to.

00:27:21.000 Those two elements, generally speaking, are required for the concept of trespass.

00:27:25.000 If you had an expectation that you could be present somewhere and then someone asks you to leave and you comply, you cannot be convicted of trespass.

00:27:34.000 That is not a criminal act.

00:27:36.000 So a huge part of this is that most people completely had the understanding that they could be on the plaza outside of the Capitol for many reasons.

00:27:44.000 But you know this, Charlie, that they took the signs down that said otherwise.

00:27:48.000 And it's a public place that people all the time.

00:27:50.000 And this rally was scheduled in advance with a government-approved permit.

00:27:53.000 So of course we were supposed to be there generally.

00:27:56.000 The question then became, are we permitted to be inside the building?

00:27:58.000 Well, that was confusing because the doors were open from the inside and cops were allowing people in, sometimes even chaperoning them.

00:28:04.000 So there were some instances where it didn't seem like it was okay and some where it did.

00:28:08.000 That's confusing and it doesn't allow the people to understand at the moment what actually is appropriate or acceptable.

00:28:14.000 And then the other key element, did you leave when you were asked?

00:28:18.000 This is very key for trespassing.

00:28:19.000 If a owner or government official says, actually, you're not allowed to be here.

00:28:23.000 If you remain, you will be trespassing.

00:28:25.000 And then you say, thank you for advising me and you politely leave.

00:28:28.000 You did not trespass and you are not guilty of a crime.

00:28:30.000 I satisfy all of those elements.

00:28:32.000 I believe many other J6 defendants do as well. 1.00

00:28:35.000 So I will highly contest and continue to fight against even this trespassing smear because it's inaccurate.

00:28:43.000 It's dishonest.

00:28:44.000 It's fraudulent.

00:28:45.000 And it's another way that the government is persecuting the people in an illegal way.

00:28:48.000 Okay, I want to play a piece of tape here of your situation.

00:28:50.000 Play cut 21.

00:28:51.000 Let's play all of them.

00:28:52.000 Play cut 21.

00:28:53.000 Because our plan had always been for Dr. Gold to give her speech outside the Capitol, as the speech permit allowed, the thought of going inside the building never even occurred to me.

00:29:02.000 I had assumed with all the various speeches and rally activity that the Capitol would have little, if any, business going on that afternoon.

00:29:09.000 And how did anyone get in there?

00:29:11.000 It was obvious to me standing on the steps that the crowd would never be able to open the formidable Columbus doors by force.

00:29:17.000 But as shown in a closed-circuit television recording inside the Capitol, the doors were opened from the inside.

00:29:24.000 John, when do you report to prison?

00:29:26.000 I have not been given a self-surrender date.

00:29:28.000 It's typically in a few weeks, and I will be trying to spread the truth as much as I can before they put me in.

00:29:35.000 Let's play another piece of tape here, John, and let's go to cut 22.

00:29:42.000 I was shocked during my trial when the prosecutor overtly tried to deceive the jury by showing them this clip and telling them the uncovered white hand waving towards the door was my hand, convincing the jury that I was an aggressive member of a mob and trying to attack the entrance.

00:29:59.000 But I was wearing black gloves the entire day.

00:30:02.000 So, John, what is the significance of that?

00:30:05.000 The significance, Charlie, is that this is a clear example, and there are many where the federal prosecutor lied.

00:30:13.000 They overtly distorted and manipulated evidence and distorted and manipulated the reality of what happened in order to showcase, in this case, me as a violent, angry aggressor and a terrorist.

00:30:27.000 The fact of the matter is that's literally not my hand.

00:30:30.000 There are, as you can see, many bodies packed in very tightly there.

00:30:33.000 It was some other person who was acting more aggressively.

00:30:36.000 All of my actions are completely non-aggressive.

00:30:38.000 I was just simply protecting the person in front of me, my client.

00:30:41.000 But I think people understand this, but a defense attorney does everything that they can to give a best possible case to defend the alleged criminal.

00:30:51.000 But the government agent, the federal prosecutor, their job is not to win.

00:30:56.000 Their job is to seek the truth and defend justice.

00:31:00.000 So their job is to exonerate someone if that person is innocent.

00:31:04.000 These people are, and these people, I mean the federal prosecutors, the Department of Injustice, or I like to call them the Department of Jihad, because this is a jihad against American citizens.

00:31:13.000 They're not interested in the facts.

00:31:15.000 They're not interested in innocent Americans. 0.98

00:31:17.000 They're not interested in anything except crushing people that are in their way.

00:31:22.000 So they're on a mission.

00:31:24.000 Their agenda is pure political power.

00:31:26.000 And this is a clear example showing they'll do anything, including lying in open court, to win.

00:31:33.000 Let's go to another piece of tape here.

00:31:36.000 Play cut 23, please.

00:31:38.000 When the door swung open from the inside and the crowd surged in, the only safe option was to move forward.

00:31:43.000 I immediately noticed there were many other people already inside.

00:31:47.000 And that included a number of uniformed police officers.

00:31:50.000 None of them, from what I saw or heard in the rotunda, directed us to do anything or to go in any particular direction.

00:31:56.000 We weren't familiar with the layout of the building and had no idea how to exit through any other public door or hallway.

00:32:02.000 So we just followed other people in front of us.

00:32:04.000 For the most part, we saw people walking through the velvet ropes, taking selfies and photos.

00:32:09.000 So at this point, we weren't really sure what was happening, but it seemed like the police had opened the building for the crowd to pass through because they'd clearly entered from multiple entry points.

00:32:18.000 John, you say you're reporting to prison maybe in the next couple of weeks.

00:32:21.000 Tell us about this late last video.

00:32:24.000 So that what you just saw there was portions of my experience inside the Capitol building.

00:32:28.000 If you watch that video that you can find at my website, johnstrand.com, and you can watch the whole thing.

00:32:33.000 It's 14 minutes long, but there's portions that accelerate on fast forward.

00:32:38.000 So you're actually watching all 48 minutes of my journey through the building.

00:32:41.000 And you can see the vast majority of it is surreal, mostly peaceful, literally.

00:32:46.000 And in my case, obviously, I am entirely peaceful, nonviolent, and I'm simply wandering around confused.

00:32:52.000 It's a giant building.

00:32:53.000 I'd never been inside.

00:32:53.000 I had no idea what was what.

00:32:56.000 There's no signage to direct you.

00:32:58.000 I was simply trying to determine what was going on.

00:33:00.000 Like I said, it seemed like the cops had allowed people to pass through the building.

00:33:03.000 So I think most of the crowd had that understanding.

00:33:05.000 Oh, I guess we're going to walk through and then we'll leave.

00:33:08.000 But I couldn't find an exit.

00:33:09.000 It took almost half an hour to find how to get out of there.

00:33:12.000 And then we were still stuck.

00:33:13.000 So all I did was protect a woman through a crowd, guide her through a portion where we got pushed in the building and then found our way out as soon as possible.

00:33:22.000 We complied with law enforcement officers inside once they finally gave us instructions.

00:33:26.000 Again, that took more than half an hour, but we complied with them.

00:33:29.000 And then we left peacefully.

00:33:30.000 And then I was violently assaulted by an FBI SWAT team 12 days later.

00:33:34.000 And the next two and a half years of my life's been hell.

00:33:36.000 And now they're about to put me in prison for 32 months for protecting a woman in a crowd.

00:33:41.000 John, we are with you.

00:33:42.000 I hope you are able to get some peace.

00:33:44.000 Is there an appellate process?

00:33:46.000 Yes, sir.

00:33:46.000 I am appealing every charge.

00:33:47.000 It'll go on for, it's a long time.

00:33:49.000 It takes a lot of time and effort and money and prayers.

00:33:52.000 So I hope you're on the right.

00:33:52.000 It can even take into your prison sentence.

00:33:54.000 Yeah, it actually could take, they could actually still sentence you, which is sick.

00:33:58.000 All right, John, thank you so much.

00:34:00.000 I appreciate it.

00:34:00.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:34:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:05.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:08.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 06, 2023

Two and a Half Years for Trespassing with John Strand and John O'Shea

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