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00:02:13.000I guess I can't say what the answer is, but we did finally, after journeying across the entire world, I finally, well, I guess I will give it away.
00:02:22.000I finally thought to just go into the kitchen and ask my wife, and then she was able to provide the answer.
00:02:28.000So I went to Africa before I thought to talk to my wife about it.
00:02:34.000But yeah, it's been an incredible reception to the film so far.
00:02:37.000And this was, look, what I keep telling the left is that because they're very upset about it, and they, I mean, they've been pulling all kinds of tricks to shut the film down.
00:02:45.000They had a DDOS attack, which I just learned what that is, but it's some kind of fancy technical thing where they tried to shut down websites and they did that to shut down the premiere and it failed and everything.
00:02:55.000And of course, it only brings more attention to the film in the first place.
00:03:25.000And in fact, that wasn't that long ago.
00:03:27.000I mean, we had Brett Kavanaugh, we had the Me Too movement, where not only was it, you know, you weren't allowed to disagree on what a woman was, but all men were awful and we could kind of distinguish lines.
00:03:37.000How do we get to a place where now kind of in the zeitgeist and in kind of the popular culture, this is now somehow a question.
00:03:46.000You know, it's something, it feels like it happened five years ago.
00:03:50.000I think a lot of people think that it just kind of all of a sudden sprang out of nowhere.
00:03:55.000And I think probably five, six years ago is when it made its way into the mainstream.
00:04:01.000But this is something, we get into this in the film, and a lot of people don't know the background and the history of this, but this is something that's been bubbling under the surface, making its way into the institutions in this country for half a century at least.
00:04:15.000And we get into some names that everybody should know, names like Alfred Kinsey and John Money.
00:04:41.000And we know that gender ideologues have a great interest in grooming children, and it just so happens all this stuff comes from pedophiles.
00:04:52.000It started there, and then it kind of made its way into the institutions.
00:04:55.000And it's like critical race theory, where what we hear with critical race theory is, well, they only talk about that in colleges.
00:05:04.000Well, yeah, it might start there, but then it goes from there down into the lower grades and down into the rest of society.
00:05:11.000And the same thing happened with gender theory, basically.
00:05:13.000Yeah, but how did it get where the feminists used to be kind of the loudest part of the American left?
00:05:17.000And now they're either been neutralized or they've been silenced or they no longer have a seat at the table.
00:05:24.000That's what I'm still trying to figure out.
00:05:25.000And maybe it's just a matter of volume or what's most useful to the kind of current narrative or regime.
00:05:30.000Yeah, I think a lot of it is the consequence of intersectionality and the rules of kind of the kind of the victim hierarchy on the left, which is a very confusing thing.
00:05:40.000And I don't fully understand it myself, but there's a lot of jostling for position.
00:05:45.000And right now, anyway, the kind of uber victims are the trans people.
00:05:51.000And you have the most victim points if you're trans.
00:05:54.000And if you're on the left, you have to, if somebody with more victim points than you is making a rights claim, a claim to some kind of rights, you have to defer to them.
00:06:02.000And that's the position that women are in right now.
00:06:04.000Now, we should note that while many feminists have just gone along with this, and I doubt that any of them agree with it, but many of them have gone along with it, there is a core of feminists who are derisively named the TERFs, the trans-inclusionary radical feminists, who have spoken out about it, but they've been just very viciously shouted down.
00:06:25.000Yeah, and especially you kind of look amongst the opinion makers, right?
00:06:28.000New York Times, Harvard, ACLU, there's no place for that in those kind of main opinion-shaping institutions.
00:06:36.000And also, can I say one other thing quickly about that, too?
00:06:38.000Because one accusation that we've gotten since this film came out from the, I guess what they would call themselves gender-critical feminists, the feminists who are actually opposed to gender ideology, they said, well, why didn't you have anyone from, why didn't you have anyone on our side in the film?
00:06:58.000We reached out to many prominent feminists who have been critical.
00:07:01.000I'm not going to name names, but many prominent feminists who are critical of the trans agenda.
00:07:06.000We reached out and they wanted nothing to do with it whatsoever.
00:07:08.000So that's another way that this small group of feminists, they're kind of shooting themselves in the foot because they don't want to be allies with the likes of me.
00:07:16.000So they leave themselves on an island, basically.
00:07:20.000To try to save womanhood, minor details.
00:07:22.000But this is all kind of goes back to the main feminist complaint, though, right?
00:07:25.000Which is that men are going to oppress women.
00:07:27.000And so now that's exactly what's happening now, is men oppressing women.
00:07:31.000And so the entire thing seems so interesting and just kind of befuddling and puzzling.
00:07:36.000So obviously we have a women's summit here.
00:07:40.000But the problem also, Matt, is in recent years, especially the kind of nastiness that is now embedded in this discussion and this debate, it's almost become a value debate that you're an awful person if you do not accept that gender is nothing more than a social construct.
00:07:57.000And it almost, in some ways, and especially in recent months, I'd say in the last six months, it's almost become more intense than the racial debate, where this is so important.
00:08:07.000Why is it that it gets such a preference?
00:08:09.000I know you mentioned the oppression Olympics and kind of the competition of whoever can be the most oppressed person, which changes on a day-to-day basis.
00:08:16.000But they see, it seems like they see an opportunity here.
00:08:20.000What do they think that's going to get them?
00:08:22.000I think the viciousness comes from a couple of things.
00:08:25.000First of all, how important this agenda is to them.
00:09:30.000I think one of the moments in the film that haunts me the most, although it's kind of funny when you watch it, but I'm still blown away with it by it.
00:09:38.000I was talking to just a normal person walking down the street.
00:09:41.000Well, this is in Los Angeles, so they can only be so normal, I guess.
00:09:44.000But talking to this woman, and she said, you know, we all have our own truth.
00:09:49.000And I said, okay, well, what if my truth is that you don't exist?
00:09:54.000And then she looked me dead in the eyes and said, well, then I don't exist.
00:10:00.000So I knew that women were being erased.
00:10:02.000I didn't realize they were erasing themselves so eagerly.
00:10:05.000But that's when someone is desperate to cling on to this relativistic idea, there is no depth that they won't sink to in terms of absurdity.
00:10:16.000So that really is what it comes down to.
00:10:18.000The postmodernist, deconstructionist that we can't agree that a line is straight because it's only your opinion that it's straight is the main critique of Western society because they will, we just say that Western society is better because there might be some Aboriginal culture that we haven't really studied yet.
00:10:37.000And we're not supposed to ever believe in the fruits of the Enlightenment or separation of powers, consent to the governed, or gender norms, because those are colonialist in nature.
00:10:46.000And first of all, it's a patently insane thing to believe.
00:10:49.000But isn't it kind of a luxury belief, though, Matt?
00:10:52.000And I believe you're familiar with the term, which, and just so everyone knows, a luxury belief is a hypothesis.
00:11:33.000How much of this is luxury belief driven?
00:11:35.000I mean, like, lower middle class people aren't talking about this stuff.
00:11:38.000Have time to think about it because you have real, you have real problems you have to worry about.
00:11:41.000I think, and I do think that there's a lot of just sort of boredom.
00:11:44.000So, we can talk about the sinister things that lie at the bottom of this, but there's also just boredom, people sitting around that have the time to think about kind of navel gazing.
00:11:54.000We just sit around thinking about, I'm gonna think about myself and how do I feel about how do I feel about myself?
00:12:01.000And then we spent all this time just staring at our own reflections, and then we and then we were shocked when people have anxiety and depression.
00:12:08.000Well, this is what happens when this is you spend your whole life, like just go outside and look at a tree or something, or just walk down the street, stop thinking about yourself for five seconds.
00:12:15.000But on the luxury belief thing, we tested this in the film because you're right that the claim on the left is that the so-called gender binary is Western colonialism, and that if you go outside the Western colonial bubble, you'll find that they're all very progressive in their gender ideas.
00:12:35.000Right, and so that's why that is why we went to Africa because I kept hearing.
00:12:39.000I couldn't figure out in the trailer why he's in some African troll.
00:12:56.000And we had security meetings before this Africa trip, and they said, you know, like you're going into Kenya, it's pretty safe, but they've got terrorists there, you could get kidnapped.
00:13:05.000And it's like, it's worth it to own the libs.
00:13:12.000Anyway, the real reason we went there was to test this hypothesis on the left about whether or not it's true that the gender binary is a Western contract.
00:13:23.000And what we found is that, well, actually, when you get outside of the Western bubble, all there is is the so-called binary.
00:13:29.000And they have never even heard of any of this stuff we're talking about in the West.
00:13:33.000And then it flipped into this really interesting thing because we went down, we talked to the Maasai tribe in Kenya.
00:13:39.000And they live in huts that are made of cow dung.
00:14:24.000But then I was in this interesting position where they were wanting me, and they were all very patient.
00:14:30.000Like they were treating me like I'm a confused child.
00:14:32.000And they said, well, try to explain this to you.
00:14:34.000But then they wanted me to explain these ideas to them.
00:14:38.000And then it's actually very revealing.
00:14:41.000When you try to explain an idea to someone who's never heard of it before, that's when you can really see if this idea makes any sense at all.
00:14:49.000Because this is someone who does not have any of the shared kind of frameworks that we do, none of the shared biases, none of that.
00:14:56.000And so you're starting at ground zero.
00:14:58.000Can I explain gender fluidity to this tribal community from ground zero?
00:15:04.000And the answer is no, it's just total nonsense.
00:15:35.000So, if you guys could pull that up and tell me when it's ready.
00:15:37.000But, Matt, that's so interesting because that is a common critique.
00:15:40.000I go to Berkeley and Boulder, and you speak at all the same campuses as well.
00:15:44.000And they'll always say, no, no, the problem is the Western colonial framework.
00:15:48.000That if you break people back in the state of nature, and especially in tribes, is actually one they use, especially kind of the breakup of kind of colonial, or I guess colonial breakup of indigenous people in Africa, then there really is no such thing as these gender norms.
00:16:05.000And they repeat it with such kind of intensity that you almost it almost takes you back.
00:16:11.000And they also can make these claims because they don't think anyone will be crazy enough to actually go ask any of these people these questions.
00:16:19.000And even though I did this, the rejoinder now from the left has been, well, you only talked to one primitive African tribe.
00:16:26.000And I'm like, dude, you can go talk to some more yourself.
00:16:29.000Go ahead, bring a camera crew, find a different tribe in Africa, and ask them all about gender fluidity.
00:18:37.000So it's become this trendy, fashionable thing.
00:18:39.000And this is, I was first made aware of this like so many other things of Libs of TikTok, who, by the way, is one of the best journalists in the country.
00:18:49.000And she's posting these videos that this is a big thing on TikTok of people, especially young people, claiming that they have split personality disorder and talking about their other personalities, like their people in the room with them, which, by the way, if that disorder exists, that's not how it works, okay, in the first place.
00:19:23.000And it actually shows you something about especially youth culture where the more mental illnesses you can rack up, sort of the more social credit you have.
00:19:31.000Yeah, so by the mental illness, I obviously meant gender dysphoria, transgenderism, all that, which is a serious mental condition.
00:19:37.000How did that get married into the entire now extended alphabet soup of LGBTQIA plus?
00:19:44.000I mean, it's an increasingly confusing thing for people.
00:19:59.000They're complicit in this, and they're part of the process where first you can see this process play out, where first there's something like, we call it now gender dysphoria.
00:20:08.000I think before it was referred to as body dysmorphia.
00:20:14.000And the problem, I believe, with body dysmorphia, if that was the old term, is that it made it sound like there's something wrong with you.
00:20:21.000And the reason they emphasize gender dysmorphia now is that what they're saying is, well, the problem is how you feel.
00:20:28.000It's like if you feel like there's an incongruence between your body and your true self, then your feelings are the issue and we can fix the feelings by fixing your body.
00:20:39.000But anyway, what you find from the psychiatric community is that they take these things and they kind of legitimize them first, and then they're kind of introduced into the LGBT equation.
00:20:49.000This also happens, by the way, with not just mental conditions, also physical conditions like the intersex is a great example.
00:20:56.000So now the new pride flag is the pride flag just gets uglier and uglier by the year, right?
00:21:01.000And now it's like, it's just this hideous, gaudy thing with all these random colors.
00:21:08.000And the most prominent symbol on the whole flag now, the newest flag, the one that NASCAR tweeted out, because they're on the cutting edge of wokeness, actually, is the one that has a purple circle right there.
00:21:39.000Yeah, I mean, I suppose it's just, and then, but the whole idea of gay and lesbian is that I am a certain sex and I'm attracted to that same sex, which does at least acknowledge binary sex.
00:21:52.000It doesn't kind of play into gender fluidity.
00:21:54.000And yet it all kind of gets mashed together, which I guess comes back to the general theme of the kind of intersectional argument.
00:22:00.000By the way, the NASCAR thing, I really am wondering, what percentage of NASCAR's audience do you think is gay?
00:22:34.000Then the problem is these corporations, they intentionally alienate 99% of their fans and supporters, and yet the 99% still give them their money.
00:22:44.000We're very loath to say, well, you know what, I'm not going to give you my money anymore if you're not interested in it.
00:22:49.000I mean, look at, like, you know, this is off on a tangent, but Star Wars, okay?
00:24:09.000And I know the Daily Wire is putting together some competitors to actually go after Disney, which is just awesome.
00:24:14.000So I want to say on this, though, because I'll speak for myself.
00:24:21.000In 2014, 15, and 16, Matt, if you and I had this discussion, I would have disagreed a little bit with you.
00:24:28.000You've been on the issue of strong social conservatism.
00:24:31.000I never was not personally, but I would say publicly, say, hey, I have my own personal views when it comes to marriage, one man, one woman, but I want to live and let live.
00:24:43.000I was naive and I thought that, hey, we can kind of allow people to make their own choices, and the results are going to kind of just whatever they might be.
00:24:52.000And we can kind of have this mutual détente, right?
00:24:55.000Where you won't reciprocate against us, and we can kind of live in this neoliberal utopian paradise.
00:25:01.000You were always kind of like, you're naive, you don't really understand what's going on here.
00:25:06.000But I think a lot of conservatives and people in this room included were probably had this view recently, especially like, hey, I know gay people in my life, and I don't want to come across as hostile, and I don't want to try to impose our morality on other people, which is an insane proposition to begin with.
00:25:20.000But that was kind of in the conservative narrative for years.
00:25:24.000And you look at 17 and 18 post the gay marriage decision, it's as if the kind of LGBTQIA plus, let's just call them the alphabet mafia, okay?
00:25:35.000The alphabet mafia's activism has only increased.
00:25:39.000It's become with more intensity and with more venom.
00:25:44.000And so can you kind of walk through that?
00:25:46.000Because I think a lot of people would resonate with what I just said, where deep down we kind of want to live in that live and let live country.
00:25:54.000It's in some ways woefully idealistic.
00:25:57.000But it also is incredibly destructive and opens the gateway for these ideas and these activist groups to have a hold on our children and our society.
00:26:04.000Yeah, it's always everything from the left is a sleight of handshake.
00:26:08.000And so that's, as you point out, the first problem with the live and let live thing is that that was never their project as much as they claim that.
00:26:15.000And so it always follows the same trajectory where whatever the thing is that they're proposing or advocating, first they say, well, just look, let us do our thing, you do your thing, just tolerate, right?
00:27:28.000First, it was you have to tolerate it, which was the tolerance campaign, and then you must accept it and then celebrate it, and then the final is participate, thank you.
00:27:40.000And so, what phase are we in right now?
00:27:42.000We're in celebrate, participate, which you say kind of the bridge between the two, right?
00:27:46.000Yeah, because it was almost like if you don't, you have to tolerate.
00:27:49.000And I think a lot of people would be like, okay, fine, I'll tolerate it.
00:27:53.000And then it was like, no, no, no, now you must accept it.
00:27:55.000Like, if you disagree with it, you're a bad person.
00:27:57.000And then if you're not in a gay pride parade, you're a bad person.
00:28:00.000And now, if you're not putting puberty blockers in school, you're a bad person.
00:28:05.000And Matt, it seems as if that's a pattern that manifests itself in almost every single major issue that the media first pushes and then gets kind of pushed on us.
00:28:14.000And the other part of the story to keep in mind is that we talk about the victim narrative, and it's actually very important to keep that in mind because the other thing for the left is that they're advocating for things, they're pushing for certain victories, but they can never achieve the victory.
00:28:30.000It's very important for them that it can never be seen that they've actually been successful.
00:29:10.000Yeah, and I think where you're starting to see kind of, at least from my personal perspective and my 10 years of doing this, kind of a renewed focus and energy behind this is that we remember the phases of tolerance, acceptance, celebration, and then participation.
00:29:28.000And at least for me personally, I'm like, okay, I was okay on the tolerance thing.
00:29:32.000I was like, not really okay on the acceptance thing.
00:29:34.000And now you look back, you're like, boy, I was played.
00:29:59.000Taking advantage of people, taking advantage of good intentions, taking advantage of people who just kind of want to be polite is a big part of what the left does, and it really infuriates me.
00:30:08.000And right, but I don't have that problem because I'm not polite.
00:30:11.000So I just, I don't have, so you can't take advantage of that with me.
00:30:15.000But that's not like you should, you should want to be a kind of a nice person.
00:30:18.000And so this is one thing when we did doing the film, when we go out and we talk to just normal people on the street, and the thing that was so clear that came through in all these, many of these kind of man-on-the-street conversations is that these people are terrified.
00:30:35.000They don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.
00:30:36.000They've also been told now by all the institutions that if you say the wrong thing on camera, if you, God forbid you say that only women can have babies on camera, your life is ruined.
00:30:45.000And so people have just been taken advantage of and they've been intimidated.
00:30:49.000And that's what sort of intimidation, fear, it's what paves the way for all these things.
00:30:54.000So I want to play the clip that Matt mentioned.
00:30:56.000So Matt, remind us, what country did you visit?
00:30:59.000We flew into Kenya and then we got into Nairobi and then we got into these kind of very impressive SUV kind of safari vehicles.
00:31:11.000We drove about five hours down into the bush.
00:31:14.000By the way, what we find in Africa is they don't, at least in this part of Africa, they don't really believe in like rules of the road.
00:34:05.000So, you know, they're going to show up and protest them in Kenya.
00:34:11.000So, so, Matt, now I want to kind of talk about kind of further explore this tension that I know some people watching, they'll love the movie.
00:34:18.000I'm like, this is terrible, it's awful what's happening.
00:34:21.000And you talk to people that have performed these surgeries, chemical castration, genital mutilation.
00:34:27.000It's amazing content and totally eye-opening, even for someone that I consider myself to be kind of somewhat literate in this space.
00:34:35.000But some people then are hesitant to say, should we use legislation or government to then try to solve some of these things?
00:34:43.000And so, where should, how should conservatives think about that?
00:34:47.000Because I think you'll have a lot of consensus amongst the audience that, yeah, this is wrong, this is terrible, but who am I to say?
00:34:53.000Who am I to try to get involved in somebody else's business?
00:34:55.000Why should this be everybody's business?
00:34:58.000Well, the first answer I want to give to that, and this to me is important, and it's kind of for a lot of people, it's like the third or fourth answer.
00:35:06.000But for me, the first answer is that the truth actually matters, right?
00:35:12.000The truth just because this is a response I got many, many times, which is, you know, why do you care?
00:35:25.000I mean, look, if there was a movement afoot to convince everybody that squares are circles, you know, and that geometry is fluid and there's a square-circle spectrum and it's all the same, you know, I would be fighting back against it.
00:35:41.000I would make a film called What is a Square?
00:35:50.000And I just think we need to reject this idea that we have to immediately go to the kind of like practical, well, how is this practically affecting me?
00:35:56.000It does practically affect us, and that's when we bring us to the next thing, which is that women are, as you women have noticed, are being erased, appropriate.
00:36:21.000And being taken advantage of, being put in incredibly dangerous situations, being you have women in prison now who are being locked in cages, right, with violent males who just say that they're women.
00:36:37.000And in many cases, the man doesn't even have to take hormones or certainly doesn't have to get sex chain surgery.
00:36:42.000Just a man says, oh, you know, I'm a woman, turns out.
00:36:45.000They say, okay, we'll send you over to the women's prison.
00:36:47.000A lot of these women, many women in women's prisons have been sexually abused in the past.
00:37:38.000Trans identification in particular, also 20 times higher, especially among Gen Z.
00:37:44.000So there's this real conspiracy among all the most powerful institutions in this country to brainwash and indoctrinate and recruit kids into what is, I think, a cult.
00:37:57.000And to create within them an identity crisis.
00:37:59.000We're taking kids who are just normal, innocent kids.
00:38:01.000You have like a three-year-old boy who's just a normal boy.
00:38:04.000Anyone's been around a three-year-old, you know, they just say a bunch of nonsense all the time.
00:38:52.000And you've seen it in our education system where teachers kind of go around the room, like, I'm going to ask my third graders what they think about gun control.
00:38:59.000Like, actually, no one cares about you what your third graders think about gun control.
00:39:03.000You should teach them things that are true.
00:39:05.000And teachers that do this, they have totally the wrong perspective of what education is.
00:39:10.000It means to lead children towards the truth, not to democratize it and be like, yeah, kids say the darndest things.
00:39:15.000Like, they actually say really dumb things, and you should correct them and tell them to sit up straight with their shoulders back and speak properly and use good English and get better handwriting.
00:39:47.000We've done it with environmental policy.
00:39:49.000Greta Thunberg has become more instrumental than most scientists in the West.
00:39:55.000And it doesn't seem like it's any different because there is almost this untouchability that American adults feel towards the nation's children.
00:40:03.000As if, who am I, as a 55-year-old parent who pays taxes and has been around for multiple decades, who am I to tell my six-year-old what is true?
00:40:13.000How on earth do we get that messed up?
00:40:15.000Well, one way is that the people coming up with these ideas are all a bunch of like childless cat ladies with purple hair who have they've just never been around kids.
00:40:23.000They really don't even understand what a kid is.
00:40:27.000Because listen, I have four kids, and you just have to be around kids for like five seconds and you realize how much nonsense all this stuff is.
00:40:38.000My two-year-old, okay, so this is just one example of so many others.
00:40:41.000My current two-year-old daughter, the youngest, has been insisting to us for weeks that there's a monkey in her room that only comes out at night when she's sleeping.
00:40:52.000And she tells us all these wild stories about this monkey.
00:41:17.000It's just that kids don't have a grab.
00:41:19.000The distinction between fantasy and reality doesn't exist for young kids.
00:41:23.000That's the reason why, and I bring this up to the gender-affirming pediatrician I talked to in the film.
00:41:29.000You know, little four-year-old kid, and I don't think there's no four-year-olds here, right?
00:41:33.000So I don't want to spoil anything, but a four-year-old kid, you can, you don't even have to convince a four-year-old kid of this.
00:41:38.000They'll just believe you the first time you tell them that there's a magical fat man who flies through the air on reindeer at the speed of light and brings presents to them through a chimney.
00:41:51.000And you could tell a four-year-old dad, and they'll just say, oh, okay, they don't ask any skeptical questions at all.
00:41:56.000Because it just doesn't, the idea that, you know, of invention and imagination and fantasy, that doesn't exist for them because their whole world is imagination and fantasy and all of this.
00:42:07.000And that's what's so wonderful about being a kid.
00:42:09.000Just like let them have their imagination.
00:42:11.000Let them live in this innocent childlike world.
00:42:47.000And so when you're dealing with a child and they all of a sudden kind of cross the line, the moral society loves the child so much to say, we know what's actually better.
00:43:07.000If I were to say, okay, if a child just says, I want to eat Skittles for the rest of the year, no rational adult would say that's good.
00:43:14.000They would say, you know, called child protective services almost.
00:43:17.000And yet, if they were to say, if that five-year-old would say, okay, I'm fine eating broccoli, I actually just want to have my genitals chopped off, the parent says, oh my goodness, tell me more.
00:43:32.000That to me is kind of the most obvious component.
00:43:35.000I agree with you partially, Matt, but I want to have you explain it for me a little bit more.
00:43:40.000Because you're right, a lot of this is like sexless, childless, you know, purple hat people, purple-hair people that are really angry.
00:43:46.000But there are parents that go along with this.
00:43:54.000I think the people and kind of the institutions and academia who are coming up with these ideas and filtering them down, these are the childless purple-haired people.
00:44:03.000And they do almost always have purple hair.
00:44:08.000But yeah, when you get down into, when you filter beyond the institutions and get into the family, unfortunately, you do often find now parents who are eager to go along with this.
00:44:17.000I think there are, when it comes to parents of so-called trans kids, and I say so-called trans kid because there's no such thing as a trans kid in reality, but the parents, I think that kind of broadly fall into two categories.
00:44:28.000The one category is the parents of the adolescent, and Abigail Schreier talks about this all the time, wrote about it in her excellent book, Irreversible Physical Damage.
00:44:38.000So these are the parents who you're raising your kid, you're doing everything you think right, you're loving your child, and then one day your daughter comes home at the age of 14 and says, I'm a boy, I want to chop my breasts off.
00:44:49.000And the parents, of course, react like any parent should and say, I'm not going to do that.
00:44:54.000But then oftentimes the parent makes a mistake, and it's unfortunate this is a mistake now, where they go to a therapist without doing a lot of research ahead of time, and the therapist tells them, well, do you want to have a living son or a dead daughter?
00:45:06.000Because your child's going to kill herself or himself if you don't allow this gender transition.
00:45:14.000And there are parents that are, I mean, imagine hearing that when you're not prepared, you don't really understand, you know, you haven't looked into this very much, you didn't expect any of this, and then all of a sudden you're hearing this.
00:46:03.000You came up with that, and this was your idea, and you put them on that path early in life because you wanted a child who was non-binary or trans because they're a prop, they're a political pawn, they're a fashion accessory that you can carry around and show off.
00:46:20.000I want to play a clip from the movie of how real this chemical castration is.
00:46:25.000I think this is the clip you were talking about, Matt.
00:46:29.000At what age does the medical transition begin with medication?
00:46:33.000So medical affirmation begins when the patient says they're ready for it.
00:46:38.000So that could be a kiddo who is just starting puberty and panicking because they're getting breastbuds or their penis is getting bigger and busier and they're worried about all kinds of masculine changes.
00:46:52.000And that way, puberty blockers, which are completely reversible and don't have permanent effects, are wonderful because we can put that pause on puberty.
00:47:03.000Just like if you were listening to music, you put the pause on and we stop the blockers and puberty would go right back to where it was.
00:47:11.000The next note in the song just delayed that period of time.
00:48:16.000It's a healthy process in the human body.
00:48:19.000And as you heard from Scott Nugent, who's the, that's a trans a woman who transitioned to a male, although she says in the film, she's one of the only honest people we talk to, and she says, I transitioned to appear like a man, but I'll never be a man.
00:48:35.000Anyways, we hear from her, that there are no studies that have been done on this whatsoever.
00:48:40.000We've never had a generation of kids that has had this done to them.
00:49:02.000And it is used off-label to, quote, block puberty.
00:49:06.000It is actually a cancer drug for prostate cancer that you give to adult men.
00:49:11.000And at a certain point, they realized it had chemical castration properties.
00:49:15.000So they started giving it to sex offenders to chemically castrate pedophiles.
00:49:19.000And now we give it to 12-year-old boys.
00:49:22.000And I asked that pediatrician about that, said, Lupron, it's chemical castration.
00:49:26.000And that's when she said she wanted to get up and the interview was going to be over.
00:49:29.000She didn't want to talk about it, but it's absolutely true.
00:49:32.000And this is what we're doing, not just to a couple of kids, but to thousands, millions of kids.
00:49:36.000Yeah, so the question is also, how widespread is this, right?
00:49:40.000We know the pharmaceutical industry has done such damage to our country, especially over the last couple of years.
00:49:45.000And you want to look at kind of one of the major enlightenments is how people don't trust Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Johnson ⁇ Johnson, and Moderna anymore after the damage they've done.
00:49:54.000But this is an interesting wrinkle where people don't realize it's not just the pharmaceutical companies that are pushing antidepressants on you unnecessarily.
00:50:01.000And by the way, they might make your depression and anxiety worse, just so we're clear.
00:50:05.000So you be very careful before you go on benzodiazepans or Prozac or Xanax.
00:50:10.000But it's not just that, but the pharmaceutical industry is involved in this trans issue.
00:50:15.000There's billions of dollars to be made in new FDA-approved puberty blockers, and then with it, the benzodiazepans and these other drugs that could also accompany it.
00:50:25.000Talk about the pharmaceutical profit motive involved in a lot of this.
00:50:28.000Well, as you just said, billions of dollars.
00:50:30.000And anytime there's billions of dollars involved, then we know that that's reason enough for skepticism.
00:50:36.000When it comes to chemically castrating kids, that should be the entire reason that you need to be skeptical of it.
00:50:42.000But there are people that are making billions of dollars, and it's not just the pharmaceutical industry.
00:50:50.000There are therapists that used to just be regular old therapists, and then they realize that the real money is in the gender-affirming game.
00:50:57.000And that's where you can really make the money.
00:50:58.000That's where you can find all the clients.
00:51:00.000And so this is all they do now is they do gender-affirming care.
00:51:04.000And then there are endocrinologists who this is all they do now is give out the hormone blockers and everything.
00:51:09.000There are people who have realized in therapies like psychiatric industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the medical industry generally, that there is lots of money to be made here.
00:51:25.000If you've got a five-year-old boy who has now had this gender confusion foist on him, there's no profit incentive in helping that child overcome the confusion and just live as a boy.
00:51:37.000I mean, that boy, there's a dollar sign over his head.
00:51:41.000That boy is worth millions of dollars in the long run to lots of very powerful industries.
00:51:47.000It sounds cynical, but boy, we believe it after the last couple years, don't we?
00:51:50.000After we've seen what they've done to us.
00:51:53.000So, Matt, how much do you think of this as natural predisposition or societal fad?
00:51:58.000Because this is an ongoing debate that I will say that mostly adults over the age of 50, they'll say, look, no one wants to be transgender.
00:52:09.000And believe it or not, this is actually mostly boomers make this argument, believe it or not, that no one would wish this upon themselves.
00:52:15.000Because I think they remember a generation where that was true in the 60s or 70s or 80s.
00:52:21.000But as you say, and I don't say this jokingly, this is true.
00:52:23.000It's the gayest generation in history.
00:52:25.000You know, 40% of Arizona Christian, according to Arizona Christian University, 40% will identify as bisexual, lesbian, gay, or any one of those categories.
00:52:34.000And I didn't believe the study at first.
00:52:35.000So we asked our podcast audience to email us.
00:52:53.000And so how much of this is predisposition, Matt, such as a, you know, there might be something, for whatever reason, of feminine or masculine tendencies for a man or a woman, or how much of it is a fad?
00:53:09.000There's a very small minority of people who, even apart from any fad and any of this being suggested to them, would have some confusion, some delusions about their true identity.
00:53:20.000And if you want to know what percentage that would be, well, just look at the generations before any of this was promoted or suggested or advertised.
00:53:29.000And if you go back to like our grandparents' generation, it's like 0.something percent that would have identified as trans.
00:54:27.000It just, the whole theory breaks down.
00:54:29.000According to them, if that's true, that in 1950 there were 10% trans, but they weren't being affirmed, then there should have been a mass suicide epidemic.
00:55:10.00099% of America think this stuff is insane.
00:55:12.000All the while, 99% of America is afraid to talk about it, which is that there's an incredible, and we mentioned this at the beginning: there's a bullying, a harassment, intimidation, a threat, and a fear around this issue.
00:56:04.000And I discovered this myself filming this documentary because all I did, I went around and I just asked the simplest, most basic questions.
00:56:10.000And what I discovered is that this is an ideology that is so weak, so flimsy, so utterly hollow at its core that it cannot withstand the pressure of even one genuine question asked with real skepticism.
00:56:23.000All you have to do is just stand up straight, look this, confront this thing, look it straight in the eyes, and ask it questions.
00:56:59.000And we're now on that bridge between mandatory celebration that if you are not showing your flag outside your door or if you're not showing your participation in it, then you're going to be docked points.
00:57:09.000But let's develop the battle plan here.
00:57:11.000We have a couple minutes remaining here.
00:57:26.000And people are afraid to speak out about it, but it also just seems overwhelming and intimidating.
00:57:30.000So what is an everyday person supposed to do?
00:57:33.000I mean, the first and most basic thing that we could do is just go out and kind of live your life as a normal, rational person and refuse to surrender.
00:57:44.000Yeah, just if all of us in this room were to agree to this right now and make this pledge, like as a starting point, that we are going to be normal, rational people living in reality, and we will not surrender that or compromise that for anyone.
00:57:57.000It doesn't mean we're going out and shouting in people's faces.
00:58:00.000I'm just going about my day, and I live in reality, and that's where I live.
00:58:03.000And I'm not going to pretend otherwise ever for any reason.
00:58:06.000If we just all lived like that, then that's huge progress right there.
00:58:37.000They might not know that they need it or even know that they want it.
00:58:39.000So you have to kind of force it on them by taking the phone away, taking all the stuff away, and just saying, you're going to be here now, present in the home.
00:58:48.000That's another thing that we have to do, because we have to put up this barrier protecting our kids so that we can kind of stop this pipeline that's getting all these ideas out into public.
00:58:58.000And I would add a couple things to that.
00:59:00.000I mean, I want to reinforce the courage part, by the way.
00:59:02.000It's hosting the Turning Point USA events, doing the activity on campus.
00:59:06.000And by the way, who would love to bring Matt Walsh to campus?
01:00:52.000My faith is at the foundation of everything that I do and believe and think.
01:00:57.000However, I would also add that although I'm a devout Catholic, I don't think that you need to be a Catholic or a Christian or religious at all to realize that men can't have babies and that all this gender ideology stuff is crazy.
01:01:11.000Actually, the religious faith when it comes to gender ideology is on the part of the gender ideologues.
01:01:18.000That is a very faith-based position, and I think it's important to keep that in mind.
01:01:22.000They are the fanatics, they're the zealots.
01:01:25.000They're the ones that believe in the flat earth or some sort of undefined hallucinogenic sky god, right?
01:01:31.000They're the ones that believe in the things that can't be proven, can't be articulated.
01:01:35.000All the accusations that they give against religion, they're the ones that actually believe.
01:01:39.000There's far more archaeological evidence for the life, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any of this transgender nonsense.
01:01:54.000Well, I hate to end on a sales pitch, but I'm a dirty capitalist pig, so I have to say that if you like what you saw in the film there, we put a year of our life into this film.
01:02:03.000I do think that it's actually important.