The Charlie Kirk Show - Two Cis-Men Answer the Question 'What Is A Woman?' — A Discussion with Matt Walsh

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00:01:35.000 So, Matt, I figured there's no better kind of venue to ask what is a woman.

00:01:41.000 Yeah, I think I've been to the women's march.

00:01:44.000 They didn't know there, but I think this is probably a different crowd from the women's march.

00:01:50.000 And no better two people to talk about what is a woman than two men at a women's conference. 0.85

00:01:55.000 Exactly.

00:01:56.000 Exactly.

00:01:57.000 Well, someone has to talk about it.

00:01:58.000 That's the thing.

00:01:59.000 That's the conversation someone has to have.

00:02:01.000 So, I mean, let's just start at the basics.

00:02:03.000 Tell us about your film, and did you actually get an answer to your question?

00:02:07.000 That's a spoiler.

00:02:08.000 I can't give spoilers away right here on this stage.

00:02:11.000 But we did get an answer.

00:02:13.000 I guess I can't say what the answer is, but we did finally, after journeying across the entire world, I finally, well, I guess I will give it away.

00:02:22.000 I finally thought to just go into the kitchen and ask my wife, and then she was able to provide the answer. 1.00

00:02:28.000 So I went to Africa before I thought to talk to my wife about it.

00:02:34.000 But yeah, it's been an incredible reception to the film so far.

00:02:37.000 And this was, look, what I keep telling the left is that because they're very upset about it, and they, I mean, they've been pulling all kinds of tricks to shut the film down.

00:02:45.000 They had a DDOS attack, which I just learned what that is, but it's some kind of fancy technical thing where they tried to shut down websites and they did that to shut down the premiere and it failed and everything.

00:02:55.000 And of course, it only brings more attention to the film in the first place.

00:02:59.000 So it all backfires.

00:03:00.000 But what I keep telling them is that, you know, I've been asking, what is a woman?

00:03:05.000 I was asking it on Twitter like four years ago.

00:03:07.000 All you had to do was respond to my tweet and none of this had to happen.

00:03:11.000 But this is really all your fault.

00:03:14.000 So, Matt, I grew up in a time where the feminists weren't just clear about what a woman was. 0.99

00:03:20.000 They were angry if you disagreed.

00:03:22.000 Like, of course, you know what a woman is. 1.00

00:03:24.000 It's very clear.

00:03:25.000 And in fact, that wasn't that long ago.

00:03:27.000 I mean, we had Brett Kavanaugh, we had the Me Too movement, where not only was it, you know, you weren't allowed to disagree on what a woman was, but all men were awful and we could kind of distinguish lines.

00:03:37.000 How do we get to a place where now kind of in the zeitgeist and in kind of the popular culture, this is now somehow a question.

00:03:44.000 How do we get here?

00:03:46.000 You know, it's something, it feels like it happened five years ago.

00:03:50.000 I think a lot of people think that it just kind of all of a sudden sprang out of nowhere.

00:03:55.000 And I think probably five, six years ago is when it made its way into the mainstream.

00:04:01.000 But this is something, we get into this in the film, and a lot of people don't know the background and the history of this, but this is something that's been bubbling under the surface, making its way into the institutions in this country for half a century at least.

00:04:15.000 And we get into some names that everybody should know, names like Alfred Kinsey and John Money.

00:04:20.000 I mean, these are the guys.

00:04:21.000 You can actually find the people who invented this stuff.

00:04:25.000 They wrote things where they just came up with this stuff.

00:04:28.000 For example, the term gender identity.

00:04:31.000 There was a guy who just came up with that. 0.85

00:04:32.000 His name was John Money, who also happened to be a pedophile, by the way.

00:04:35.000 A lot of these people were.

00:04:36.000 Total coincidence, by the way.

00:04:38.000 Yeah, total coincidence, right?

00:04:39.000 Obviously.

00:04:41.000 And we know that gender ideologues have a great interest in grooming children, and it just so happens all this stuff comes from pedophiles.

00:04:48.000 But yeah, total coincidence.

00:04:49.000 That's a conspiracy theory.

00:04:52.000 It started there, and then it kind of made its way into the institutions.

00:04:55.000 And it's like critical race theory, where what we hear with critical race theory is, well, they only talk about that in colleges.

00:05:04.000 Well, yeah, it might start there, but then it goes from there down into the lower grades and down into the rest of society.

00:05:11.000 And the same thing happened with gender theory, basically.

00:05:13.000 Yeah, but how did it get where the feminists used to be kind of the loudest part of the American left? 1.00

00:05:17.000 And now they're either been neutralized or they've been silenced or they no longer have a seat at the table.

00:05:24.000 That's what I'm still trying to figure out.

00:05:25.000 And maybe it's just a matter of volume or what's most useful to the kind of current narrative or regime.

00:05:30.000 Yeah, I think a lot of it is the consequence of intersectionality and the rules of kind of the kind of the victim hierarchy on the left, which is a very confusing thing.

00:05:40.000 And I don't fully understand it myself, but there's a lot of jostling for position.

00:05:45.000 And right now, anyway, the kind of uber victims are the trans people. 0.95

00:05:51.000 And you have the most victim points if you're trans. 1.00

00:05:54.000 And if you're on the left, you have to, if somebody with more victim points than you is making a rights claim, a claim to some kind of rights, you have to defer to them.

00:06:02.000 And that's the position that women are in right now. 1.00

00:06:04.000 Now, we should note that while many feminists have just gone along with this, and I doubt that any of them agree with it, but many of them have gone along with it, there is a core of feminists who are derisively named the TERFs, the trans-inclusionary radical feminists, who have spoken out about it, but they've been just very viciously shouted down.

00:06:24.000 And it is a small group.

00:06:25.000 Yeah, and especially you kind of look amongst the opinion makers, right?

00:06:28.000 New York Times, Harvard, ACLU, there's no place for that in those kind of main opinion-shaping institutions.

00:06:36.000 And also, can I say one other thing quickly about that, too?

00:06:38.000 Because one accusation that we've gotten since this film came out from the, I guess what they would call themselves gender-critical feminists, the feminists who are actually opposed to gender ideology, they said, well, why didn't you have anyone from, why didn't you have anyone on our side in the film?

00:06:54.000 Why didn't you talk to any feminists? 1.00

00:06:56.000 And the answer is, like, we tried to.

00:06:58.000 We reached out to many prominent feminists who have been critical.

00:07:01.000 I'm not going to name names, but many prominent feminists who are critical of the trans agenda. 0.63

00:07:06.000 We reached out and they wanted nothing to do with it whatsoever.

00:07:08.000 So that's another way that this small group of feminists, they're kind of shooting themselves in the foot because they don't want to be allies with the likes of me. 1.00

00:07:16.000 So they leave themselves on an island, basically.

00:07:20.000 To try to save womanhood, minor details. 1.00

00:07:22.000 But this is all kind of goes back to the main feminist complaint, though, right? 0.90

00:07:25.000 Which is that men are going to oppress women. 0.95

00:07:27.000 And so now that's exactly what's happening now, is men oppressing women.

00:07:31.000 And so the entire thing seems so interesting and just kind of befuddling and puzzling.

00:07:36.000 So obviously we have a women's summit here. 1.00

00:07:38.000 We could define what a woman is. 1.00

00:07:40.000 But the problem also, Matt, is in recent years, especially the kind of nastiness that is now embedded in this discussion and this debate, it's almost become a value debate that you're an awful person if you do not accept that gender is nothing more than a social construct.

00:07:57.000 And it almost, in some ways, and especially in recent months, I'd say in the last six months, it's almost become more intense than the racial debate, where this is so important.

00:08:07.000 Why is it that it gets such a preference?

00:08:09.000 I know you mentioned the oppression Olympics and kind of the competition of whoever can be the most oppressed person, which changes on a day-to-day basis.

00:08:16.000 But they see, it seems like they see an opportunity here.

00:08:20.000 What do they think that's going to get them?

00:08:22.000 I think the viciousness comes from a couple of things.

00:08:25.000 First of all, how important this agenda is to them.

00:08:28.000 It's not just about gender.

00:08:30.000 And even the word gender has been expanded to include, you know, anything.

00:08:34.000 There are people now, if you look on TikTok, people say, well, my gender is, what's the latest one?

00:08:39.000 I'm cake gender.

00:08:40.000 That's a thing now.

00:08:40.000 I could be the gender of cake.

00:08:42.000 Right.

00:08:43.000 Why would we talk to someone whose gender was in the film?

00:08:45.000 We talked to someone who identifies as a wolf, you know.

00:08:49.000 So the term gender has expanded because it's not just about, it's not just about gender.

00:08:54.000 This is actually about this is the project of relativism.

00:08:58.000 This is about having your own universe.

00:09:00.000 And I ran into this.

00:09:01.000 And I know you've run into it.

00:09:03.000 Anytime you talk about anything with the left, you always run into this.

00:09:05.000 And in the film, it was over and over again.

00:09:07.000 Every conversation we tried to have, it always came back to, well, whose truth are we talking about?

00:09:14.000 Whose truth?

00:09:15.000 And I would try to say, well, we're sitting in the same room right now, right?

00:09:18.000 So the truth that says we're sitting in the same room, I'm sitting across from you.

00:09:22.000 So we obviously have some kind of shared reality.

00:09:25.000 Two plus two equals four.

00:09:26.000 We share that with each other.

00:09:28.000 But they cannot concede that.

00:09:30.000 I think one of the moments in the film that haunts me the most, although it's kind of funny when you watch it, but I'm still blown away with it by it.

00:09:38.000 I was talking to just a normal person walking down the street.

00:09:41.000 Well, this is in Los Angeles, so they can only be so normal, I guess.

00:09:44.000 But talking to this woman, and she said, you know, we all have our own truth.

00:09:49.000 And I said, okay, well, what if my truth is that you don't exist?

00:09:54.000 And then she looked me dead in the eyes and said, well, then I don't exist.

00:09:58.000 Not a joke either.

00:10:00.000 So I knew that women were being erased. 0.68

00:10:02.000 I didn't realize they were erasing themselves so eagerly.

00:10:05.000 But that's when someone is desperate to cling on to this relativistic idea, there is no depth that they won't sink to in terms of absurdity.

00:10:14.000 I want to explore that more with you.

00:10:16.000 So that really is what it comes down to.

00:10:18.000 The postmodernist, deconstructionist that we can't agree that a line is straight because it's only your opinion that it's straight is the main critique of Western society because they will, we just say that Western society is better because there might be some Aboriginal culture that we haven't really studied yet. 0.79

00:10:37.000 And we're not supposed to ever believe in the fruits of the Enlightenment or separation of powers, consent to the governed, or gender norms, because those are colonialist in nature.

00:10:46.000 And first of all, it's a patently insane thing to believe.

00:10:49.000 But isn't it kind of a luxury belief, though, Matt?

00:10:52.000 And I believe you're familiar with the term, which, and just so everyone knows, a luxury belief is a hypothesis.

00:11:00.000 I can't remember the guy's name.

00:11:01.000 He's really smart.

00:11:02.000 And his argument is that rich people no longer just buy rich, like wealthy things like yachts and planes, but they also buy beliefs.

00:11:12.000 And that if you want to be really cool in upper society, it's not just how big your car is.

00:11:17.000 It's how insane of an idea you discuss at a cocktail party.

00:11:21.000 And so you think about it, it's super rich people where it's not like, oh yeah, I have the new Porsche and a Gulf Stream.

00:11:27.000 It's also like, not only do I want to get rid of the police, I want to put them all in prison.

00:11:31.000 Like, I'll drink to that.

00:11:32.000 That's great.

00:11:33.000 How much of this is luxury belief driven?

00:11:35.000 I mean, like, lower middle class people aren't talking about this stuff.

00:11:38.000 Have time to think about it because you have real, you have real problems you have to worry about.

00:11:41.000 I think, and I do think that there's a lot of just sort of boredom.

00:11:44.000 So, we can talk about the sinister things that lie at the bottom of this, but there's also just boredom, people sitting around that have the time to think about kind of navel gazing.

00:11:52.000 This is what we do in the West a lot.

00:11:54.000 We just sit around thinking about, I'm gonna think about myself and how do I feel about how do I feel about myself?

00:12:01.000 And then we spent all this time just staring at our own reflections, and then we and then we were shocked when people have anxiety and depression.

00:12:08.000 Well, this is what happens when this is you spend your whole life, like just go outside and look at a tree or something, or just walk down the street, stop thinking about yourself for five seconds.

00:12:15.000 But on the luxury belief thing, we tested this in the film because you're right that the claim on the left is that the so-called gender binary is Western colonialism, and that if you go outside the Western colonial bubble, you'll find that they're all very progressive in their gender ideas.

00:12:35.000 Right, and so that's why that is why we went to Africa because I kept hearing.

00:12:39.000 I couldn't figure out in the trailer why he's in some African troll. 0.99

00:12:42.000 Like, what is the point of this?

00:12:44.000 Well, let me just clarify: we went to Africa number one to troll the libs. 0.50

00:12:44.000 We went to Africa. 0.50

00:12:49.000 Like, that's the number one reason we were there.

00:12:52.000 That's true missionary work, by the way.

00:12:54.000 Let me just be so.

00:12:56.000 And we had security meetings before this Africa trip, and they said, you know, like you're going into Kenya, it's pretty safe, but they've got terrorists there, you could get kidnapped.

00:13:05.000 And it's like, it's worth it to own the libs.

00:13:09.000 I will give my life for this cause.

00:13:10.000 I will.

00:13:12.000 Anyway, the real reason we went there was to test this hypothesis on the left about whether or not it's true that the gender binary is a Western contract.

00:13:23.000 And what we found is that, well, actually, when you get outside of the Western bubble, all there is is the so-called binary.

00:13:29.000 And they have never even heard of any of this stuff we're talking about in the West.

00:13:33.000 And then it flipped into this really interesting thing because we went down, we talked to the Maasai tribe in Kenya.

00:13:39.000 And they live in huts that are made of cow dung.

00:13:42.000 And they're semi-nomadic.

00:13:43.000 They don't have electricity or anything.

00:13:45.000 They're living in the wilderness.

00:13:46.000 And we're talking to them, and I'm asking them these questions about, well, can a man become a woman? 1.00

00:13:54.000 Can women, is it possible for a woman to have a penis? 1.00

00:13:57.000 Can men give birth to babies? 1.00

00:13:58.000 And they're looking at me in just utter horror and confusion.

00:14:02.000 And they also assume that I believe this stuff myself.

00:14:06.000 I never explained to them I didn't.

00:14:08.000 That's the funniest point part: Matt's just staring at them, and they're starting to circle you.

00:14:14.000 Like they're calling in reinforcements and then they start weapons start emerging.

00:14:18.000 Well, they all had their, you know, they had certain clubs that they walked around with years.

00:14:18.000 Exactly.

00:14:24.000 But then I was in this interesting position where they were wanting me, and they were all very patient.

00:14:30.000 Like they were treating me like I'm a confused child.

00:14:32.000 And they said, well, try to explain this to you.

00:14:34.000 But then they wanted me to explain these ideas to them.

00:14:38.000 And then it's actually very revealing.

00:14:41.000 When you try to explain an idea to someone who's never heard of it before, that's when you can really see if this idea makes any sense at all.

00:14:49.000 Because this is someone who does not have any of the shared kind of frameworks that we do, none of the shared biases, none of that.

00:14:56.000 And so you're starting at ground zero.

00:14:58.000 Can I explain gender fluidity to this tribal community from ground zero? 0.90

00:15:04.000 And the answer is no, it's just total nonsense.

00:15:08.000 They don't even have the words.

00:15:09.000 Like I'm talking to the elder in the tribe through a translator, and he doesn't have the word.

00:15:16.000 I tried to get him to ask the tribal elder about non-binary people.

00:15:21.000 And he says, he says, what?

00:15:22.000 He doesn't have the words for that.

00:15:23.000 So they literally don't have the words to even talk about these things.

00:15:27.000 It's that far outside of their experience.

00:15:30.000 We'll keep chatting.

00:15:31.000 I think we have a clip that I want to show from that, if our team could get it.

00:15:34.000 Just a short clip.

00:15:35.000 So, if you guys could pull that up and tell me when it's ready.

00:15:37.000 But, Matt, that's so interesting because that is a common critique.

00:15:40.000 I go to Berkeley and Boulder, and you speak at all the same campuses as well.

00:15:44.000 And they'll always say, no, no, the problem is the Western colonial framework.

00:15:48.000 That if you break people back in the state of nature, and especially in tribes, is actually one they use, especially kind of the breakup of kind of colonial, or I guess colonial breakup of indigenous people in Africa, then there really is no such thing as these gender norms.

00:16:05.000 And they repeat it with such kind of intensity that you almost it almost takes you back.

00:16:11.000 And they also can make these claims because they don't think anyone will be crazy enough to actually go ask any of these people these questions.

00:16:19.000 And even though I did this, the rejoinder now from the left has been, well, you only talked to one primitive African tribe.

00:16:26.000 And I'm like, dude, you can go talk to some more yourself.

00:16:29.000 Go ahead, bring a camera crew, find a different tribe in Africa, and ask them all about gender fluidity.

00:16:34.000 And go ahead, prove me wrong.

00:16:36.000 Because this is all an insular, like you said, luxury, uniquely Western belief, and also very modern that is not shared by anyone.

00:16:46.000 And that includes, by the way, some of these cultures where they'll claim, here's another one.

00:16:53.000 They'll say, well, Native Americans have two spirit.

00:16:56.000 And they actually have added two spirit to the LGBT acronym now, the ever-expanding acronym.

00:17:01.000 They now have, they have numbers in it now for two-spirit.

00:17:04.000 Right.

00:17:05.000 So that's what they say.

00:17:06.000 They say, well, Native Americans, they have two spirit.

00:17:08.000 That's just like trans. 1.00

00:17:09.000 Well, you got to do is take 10 seconds to Google this stuff and you discover that two spirit, that term was coined.

00:17:14.000 Guess when?

00:17:14.000 Guess what?

00:17:15.000 1990 is when they came up with that.

00:17:17.000 It was LGBT activism.

00:17:19.000 They make it sound like this is something that the Cheyenne were talking about.

00:17:23.000 Or the Sioux or the Iroquois. 0.82

00:17:25.000 Right, right.

00:17:26.000 Yeah, the Apache on the Great Plains in 1801 were like running around talking about their fluid genders.

00:17:31.000 No, this is LGBT activists made this up recently and now are claiming that this is some cultural belief.

00:17:38.000 So I want to start to kind of participate in some thought crimes with you here.

00:17:43.000 Does anyone want that?

00:17:44.000 I think that would be a lot of fun.

00:17:46.000 So it's Pride Month, I guess, whatever that is.

00:17:51.000 So why is it, Matt?

00:17:53.000 Let's start non-controversially and then we can go whatever direction you want.

00:17:58.000 Why is it that all of a sudden that mental illness is associated with the other letters?

00:18:04.000 Where does it fit?

00:18:05.000 I've never heard a good explanation.

00:18:07.000 You were starting non-controversially with that question?

00:18:10.000 That's the non-controversial.

00:18:12.000 We're getting real.

00:18:14.000 Well, I think there's a couple things going on with mental illness in particular.

00:18:18.000 For one thing, this has become like mental illness itself has become trendy and fashionable, and it's something that is. 0.95

00:18:26.000 Are we applauding mental illness being trendy and fashionable? 1.00

00:18:30.000 They're agreeing with you.

00:18:31.000 Okay, all right, all right. 1.00

00:18:32.000 Yeah, you go, mental illness.

00:18:37.000 So it's become this trendy, fashionable thing.

00:18:39.000 And this is, I was first made aware of this like so many other things of Libs of TikTok, who, by the way, is one of the best journalists in the country.

00:18:48.000 Yeah.

00:18:49.000 And she's posting these videos that this is a big thing on TikTok of people, especially young people, claiming that they have split personality disorder and talking about their other personalities, like their people in the room with them, which, by the way, if that disorder exists, that's not how it works, okay, in the first place.

00:19:09.000 But this just shows you something.

00:19:10.000 This is another thing that on the right we see that, and we want to say, well, that's just a sideshow.

00:19:16.000 That's nothing.

00:19:17.000 No, this is TikTok.

00:19:19.000 This is where kids spend their whole lives.

00:19:22.000 And so this is not nothing.

00:19:23.000 And it actually shows you something about especially youth culture where the more mental illnesses you can rack up, sort of the more social credit you have.

00:19:31.000 Yeah, so by the mental illness, I obviously meant gender dysphoria, transgenderism, all that, which is a serious mental condition.

00:19:37.000 How did that get married into the entire now extended alphabet soup of LGBTQIA plus? 1.00

00:19:44.000 I mean, it's an increasingly confusing thing for people.

00:19:48.000 Yeah, it's a good question.

00:19:50.000 You can follow the process of this happening.

00:19:54.000 And you have to look also at the psychiatric industry.

00:19:58.000 And there's a lot of...

00:19:59.000 They're complicit in this, and they're part of the process where first you can see this process play out, where first there's something like, we call it now gender dysphoria. 0.69

00:20:08.000 I think before it was referred to as body dysmorphia.

00:20:12.000 Now they don't use that term anymore.

00:20:14.000 And the problem, I believe, with body dysmorphia, if that was the old term, is that it made it sound like there's something wrong with you.

00:20:21.000 And the reason they emphasize gender dysmorphia now is that what they're saying is, well, the problem is how you feel.

00:20:27.000 You know, that's the issue.

00:20:28.000 It's like if you feel like there's an incongruence between your body and your true self, then your feelings are the issue and we can fix the feelings by fixing your body.

00:20:39.000 But anyway, what you find from the psychiatric community is that they take these things and they kind of legitimize them first, and then they're kind of introduced into the LGBT equation. 0.51

00:20:49.000 This also happens, by the way, with not just mental conditions, also physical conditions like the intersex is a great example. 1.00

00:20:56.000 So now the new pride flag is the pride flag just gets uglier and uglier by the year, right? 0.97

00:21:01.000 And now it's like, it's just this hideous, gaudy thing with all these random colors.

00:21:07.000 And symbols, too.

00:21:08.000 And symbols.

00:21:08.000 And the most prominent symbol on the whole flag now, the newest flag, the one that NASCAR tweeted out, because they're on the cutting edge of wokeness, actually, is the one that has a purple circle right there.

00:21:20.000 It's the thing your eyes home in on.

00:21:21.000 And that's for intersex. 0.90

00:21:23.000 So now intersex are the most prominent members of the LGBT.

00:21:26.000 What do they even have to do with LGBT? 0.59

00:21:28.000 That's a genetic deformity.

00:21:31.000 What does that in the world have to do with being LGBT?

00:21:34.000 So I guess the answer is intersectionality, right?

00:21:37.000 So that was my 15-minute answer to get around to that.

00:21:37.000 I mean, if it's...

00:21:39.000 Yeah, I mean, I suppose it's just, and then, but the whole idea of gay and lesbian is that I am a certain sex and I'm attracted to that same sex, which does at least acknowledge binary sex.

00:21:52.000 It doesn't kind of play into gender fluidity. 0.96

00:21:54.000 And yet it all kind of gets mashed together, which I guess comes back to the general theme of the kind of intersectional argument.

00:22:00.000 By the way, the NASCAR thing, I really am wondering, what percentage of NASCAR's audience do you think is gay?

00:22:08.000 0%, but 0.001 maybe?

00:22:12.000 I don't know.

00:22:13.000 I mean, who are they paying?

00:22:15.000 At some point, you have to ask the question, this probably makes you lose your target audience.

00:22:21.000 Yeah, well, it's also, it's an even smaller audience.

00:22:22.000 What percentage of the NASCAR audience is gay and would fly the pride flag?

00:22:29.000 Because that's not always one in the same, right?

00:22:33.000 But this is what happens.

00:22:34.000 Then the problem is these corporations, they intentionally alienate 99% of their fans and supporters, and yet the 99% still give them their money.

00:22:44.000 We're very loath to say, well, you know what, I'm not going to give you my money anymore if you're not interested in it.

00:22:49.000 I mean, look at, like, you know, this is off on a tangent, but Star Wars, okay?

00:22:55.000 What's the new Star Wars show?

00:22:57.000 Obi-Wan, right.

00:22:58.000 Okay, so, first of all, there hasn't been a good Star Wars story, actually, ever, because all the movies are terrible.

00:23:06.000 But thank you.

00:23:09.000 I could get a group of women to agree with me on that one. 0.99

00:23:11.000 A new hope is very good.

00:23:13.000 Okay, let's just episode four.

00:23:15.000 At best, the last Wood Good one was in 1983.

00:23:19.000 And everything was...

00:23:20.000 I think this was 78.

00:23:21.000 OK.

00:23:22.000 Hope came out.

00:23:22.000 You could fact-check me.

00:23:23.000 So it's been decades and decades.

00:23:25.000 And then they come out with this Obi-Wan show, and they've got a character who's a black woman.

00:23:30.000 And the fans hate her, and you can read their criticisms. 0.83

00:23:34.000 They hate her because she's an unlikable character, poorly written and poorly active, not because she's black. 0.71

00:23:39.000 But it's this kind of entrapment that these studios do, and they know they're putting these unlikable characters out there.

00:23:44.000 The fans react to it, and then Star Wars turns around and calls their own fan base racist.

00:23:49.000 And Ewan McGregor comes out and says, ah, you know, the Star Wars fan base can get a little racist sometimes.

00:23:54.000 So they hate you.

00:23:56.000 And on top of that, they're putting out a bad product.

00:23:59.000 And yet we're still giving them our money.

00:24:02.000 Keep your Hulu subscription. 0.87

00:24:03.000 We hate you, by the way.

00:24:05.000 At some point, it has to be, you know, kind of self-destructive. 0.83

00:24:08.000 I mean, obviously, it's self-destructive.

00:24:09.000 And I know the Daily Wire is putting together some competitors to actually go after Disney, which is just awesome.

00:24:14.000 So I want to say on this, though, because I'll speak for myself.

00:24:21.000 In 2014, 15, and 16, Matt, if you and I had this discussion, I would have disagreed a little bit with you.

00:24:28.000 You've been on the issue of strong social conservatism.

00:24:31.000 I never was not personally, but I would say publicly, say, hey, I have my own personal views when it comes to marriage, one man, one woman, but I want to live and let live.

00:24:42.000 And I kind of bought into that.

00:24:43.000 I was naive and I thought that, hey, we can kind of allow people to make their own choices, and the results are going to kind of just whatever they might be.

00:24:52.000 And we can kind of have this mutual détente, right?

00:24:55.000 Where you won't reciprocate against us, and we can kind of live in this neoliberal utopian paradise.

00:25:01.000 You were always kind of like, you're naive, you don't really understand what's going on here.

00:25:06.000 But I think a lot of conservatives and people in this room included were probably had this view recently, especially like, hey, I know gay people in my life, and I don't want to come across as hostile, and I don't want to try to impose our morality on other people, which is an insane proposition to begin with.

00:25:20.000 But that was kind of in the conservative narrative for years.

00:25:24.000 And you look at 17 and 18 post the gay marriage decision, it's as if the kind of LGBTQIA plus, let's just call them the alphabet mafia, okay? 0.92

00:25:35.000 The alphabet mafia's activism has only increased. 0.85

00:25:39.000 It's become with more intensity and with more venom.

00:25:44.000 And so can you kind of walk through that?

00:25:46.000 Because I think a lot of people would resonate with what I just said, where deep down we kind of want to live in that live and let live country.

00:25:52.000 It's nice.

00:25:53.000 It sounds good.

00:25:54.000 It's in some ways woefully idealistic.

00:25:57.000 But it also is incredibly destructive and opens the gateway for these ideas and these activist groups to have a hold on our children and our society.

00:26:04.000 Yeah, it's always everything from the left is a sleight of handshake.

00:26:07.000 That's the first thing to realize.

00:26:08.000 And so that's, as you point out, the first problem with the live and let live thing is that that was never their project as much as they claim that.

00:26:15.000 And so it always follows the same trajectory where whatever the thing is that they're proposing or advocating, first they say, well, just look, let us do our thing, you do your thing, just tolerate, right?

00:26:27.000 Tolerance is it.

00:26:28.000 And then that's not quite enough.

00:26:29.000 Now it needs to be acceptance.

00:26:30.000 And acceptance is not the same thing as tolerance, although they get grouped together.

00:26:33.000 I'm accepting and tolerating.

00:26:34.000 Well, those are two different things.

00:26:35.000 I can tolerate something and not accept it.

00:26:37.000 But now you have to accept it too.

00:26:39.000 And acceptance affirmation are synonymous.

00:26:43.000 And then even that's not enough.

00:26:44.000 Now you have to openly celebrate it.

00:26:46.000 And then even that's not enough, though, because the next step is you have to participate in it.

00:26:52.000 And that is exactly what's happening with, going back to gender ideology. 0.99

00:26:56.000 Celebrating is not enough.

00:26:57.000 You need to be a participant, which means that if I am claiming I'm a woman, you need to be a part of that charade.

00:27:04.000 You are an active member of my self-perception. 0.93

00:27:09.000 And if you won't do that, then you are killing me. 0.98

00:27:12.000 You're destroying me.

00:27:13.000 And that is always the trajectory, which is the reason why it's just, we cut it off at the beginning and said, nope, no way.

00:27:19.000 I want to repeat that.

00:27:20.000 That's super smart.

00:27:21.000 I hope everyone caught that, right?

00:27:23.000 Because this is the cycle of neoliberalism.

00:27:25.000 And this is why people are waking up.

00:27:28.000 First, it was you have to tolerate it, which was the tolerance campaign, and then you must accept it and then celebrate it, and then the final is participate, thank you.

00:27:40.000 And so, what phase are we in right now?

00:27:42.000 We're in celebrate, participate, which you say kind of the bridge between the two, right?

00:27:46.000 Yeah, because it was almost like if you don't, you have to tolerate.

00:27:49.000 And I think a lot of people would be like, okay, fine, I'll tolerate it.

00:27:52.000 Like, okay, sure.

00:27:53.000 And then it was like, no, no, no, now you must accept it.

00:27:55.000 Like, if you disagree with it, you're a bad person. 0.99

00:27:57.000 And then if you're not in a gay pride parade, you're a bad person. 0.99

00:28:00.000 And now, if you're not putting puberty blockers in school, you're a bad person.

00:28:05.000 And Matt, it seems as if that's a pattern that manifests itself in almost every single major issue that the media first pushes and then gets kind of pushed on us.

00:28:13.000 It's true.

00:28:14.000 And the other part of the story to keep in mind is that we talk about the victim narrative, and it's actually very important to keep that in mind because the other thing for the left is that they're advocating for things, they're pushing for certain victories, but they can never achieve the victory.

00:28:30.000 It's very important for them that it can never be seen that they've actually been successful.

00:28:35.000 Struggle must continue forever.

00:28:36.000 Struggle continues.

00:28:37.000 Which is why we're told now, like we elected a black man president twice. 0.96

00:28:42.000 And now, if you listen to the left, this country is more racist than it's ever been.

00:28:46.000 So we actually, that's not a sign of any progress whatsoever.

00:28:50.000 So they're always saying, well, let's do this thing, and then it'll be, well, we'll celebrate it.

00:28:53.000 It's a sign of progress.

00:28:54.000 We have a black female Supreme Court justice. 1.00

00:28:57.000 Then the very next day, they're saying, oh, it's Jim Crow all over again.

00:28:59.000 Well, then, what's even, why am I even listening to you?

00:29:01.000 According to you, no matter what I do, we're going to be racist and living in the medieval times, no matter what.

00:29:08.000 So what's the point of even trying?

00:29:10.000 Yeah, and I think where you're starting to see kind of, at least from my personal perspective and my 10 years of doing this, kind of a renewed focus and energy behind this is that we remember the phases of tolerance, acceptance, celebration, and then participation.

00:29:28.000 And at least for me personally, I'm like, okay, I was okay on the tolerance thing.

00:29:32.000 I was like, not really okay on the acceptance thing.

00:29:34.000 And now you look back, you're like, boy, I was played.

00:29:37.000 Like, you lied to us.

00:29:39.000 Like, we were trying to be good people and trying to build bridges. 0.99

00:29:42.000 And now you're teaching four-year-olds about lesbian sex. 1.00

00:29:45.000 Like, this is not okay. 0.95

00:29:46.000 And we're not going to put up with this, actually.

00:29:48.000 And you took advantage of our good intentions, and now you're trying to take over the entire society.

00:29:53.000 And that's a really good point of what you just said.

00:29:55.000 Yep.

00:29:59.000 Taking advantage of people, taking advantage of good intentions, taking advantage of people who just kind of want to be polite is a big part of what the left does, and it really infuriates me.

00:30:08.000 And right, but I don't have that problem because I'm not polite.

00:30:11.000 So I just, I don't have, so you can't take advantage of that with me.

00:30:15.000 But that's not like you should, you should want to be a kind of a nice person.

00:30:18.000 And so this is one thing when we did doing the film, when we go out and we talk to just normal people on the street, and the thing that was so clear that came through in all these, many of these kind of man-on-the-street conversations is that these people are terrified.

00:30:32.000 Like they're good-intentioned.

00:30:35.000 They don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

00:30:36.000 They've also been told now by all the institutions that if you say the wrong thing on camera, if you, God forbid you say that only women can have babies on camera, your life is ruined.

00:30:45.000 And so people have just been taken advantage of and they've been intimidated.

00:30:49.000 And that's what sort of intimidation, fear, it's what paves the way for all these things.

00:30:54.000 So I want to play the clip that Matt mentioned.

00:30:56.000 So Matt, remind us, what country did you visit?

00:30:59.000 We flew into Kenya and then we got into Nairobi and then we got into these kind of very impressive SUV kind of safari vehicles.

00:31:11.000 We drove about five hours down into the bush.

00:31:14.000 By the way, what we find in Africa is they don't, at least in this part of Africa, they don't really believe in like rules of the road. 0.99

00:31:21.000 So it's kind of a Western construct.

00:31:24.000 Yeah, it is too.

00:31:25.000 Although in many American cities, I don't believe in it anyway.

00:31:27.000 And we went down and we talked to the Maasai tribe down there.

00:31:30.000 All right, this is from you guys.

00:31:31.000 You go to dailywire.com.

00:31:33.000 Actually, we have a promo code, dailywire.com/slash Charlie, to get a membership to watch.

00:31:36.000 Let's watch the clip.

00:31:39.000 What if a man decides that his gender identity is woman? 0.69

00:31:56.000 A woman has its own duty, and a man has its own duty. 1.00

00:32:00.000 And a lady cannot do the duty of a man, and a man cannot do a duty of a woman. 0.99

00:32:06.000 Can a man become a woman? 1.00

00:32:15.000 No, no, no.

00:32:17.000 What about a transgender? 1.00

00:32:20.000 Transgender?

00:32:26.000 No. 0.99

00:32:27.000 It looks like if you want to become a lady, but you're a man, you have something wrong. 0.97

00:32:27.000 No. 0.97

00:32:33.000 Something wrong.

00:32:34.000 Something wrong in your family, something wrong in you.

00:32:39.000 What about if someone was non-binary?

00:32:43.000 Non-binary?

00:32:46.000 Like non-like someone is.

00:32:50.000 You're not a woman, you're not a man. 1.00

00:32:52.000 Yeah, someone's like, someone is neither.

00:32:54.000 There's something else.

00:32:55.000 Is that.

00:33:06.000 He's saying we have never seen things like those. 1.00

00:33:09.000 For a man, he has a penis. 1.00

00:33:11.000 For a woman, he has a vagina. 1.00

00:33:13.000 So we know this is a lady, this is a man. 1.00

00:33:16.000 What if it's a woman with it? 1.00

00:33:17.000 What if it's a woman with a penis? 1.00

00:33:20.000 What? 1.00

00:33:30.000 People are laughing. 0.99

00:33:31.000 Is that a dumb question? 0.99

00:33:37.000 Hey. 0.99

00:33:40.000 I mean, they said it, not me.

00:33:42.000 So that's what I love about that clip.

00:33:43.000 I've just been having so much fun posting that on Twitter.

00:33:46.000 It's like, the thing is, the Maasai tribe, you can't kick them off Twitter, you know. 1.00

00:33:52.000 And they're totally uncancelable.

00:33:57.000 And it does create this really difficult situation for the left.

00:34:01.000 And that, like, what are they going to do?

00:34:03.000 Dox the Maasai tribe?

00:34:04.000 They don't even have fixed addresses.

00:34:05.000 So, you know, they're going to show up and protest them in Kenya.

00:34:11.000 So, so, Matt, now I want to kind of talk about kind of further explore this tension that I know some people watching, they'll love the movie.

00:34:18.000 I'm like, this is terrible, it's awful what's happening.

00:34:21.000 And you talk to people that have performed these surgeries, chemical castration, genital mutilation.

00:34:27.000 It's amazing content and totally eye-opening, even for someone that I consider myself to be kind of somewhat literate in this space.

00:34:35.000 But some people then are hesitant to say, should we use legislation or government to then try to solve some of these things?

00:34:43.000 And so, where should, how should conservatives think about that?

00:34:47.000 Because I think you'll have a lot of consensus amongst the audience that, yeah, this is wrong, this is terrible, but who am I to say?

00:34:53.000 Who am I to try to get involved in somebody else's business?

00:34:55.000 Why should this be everybody's business?

00:34:58.000 Well, the first answer I want to give to that, and this to me is important, and it's kind of for a lot of people, it's like the third or fourth answer.

00:35:06.000 But for me, the first answer is that the truth actually matters, right?

00:35:12.000 The truth just because this is a response I got many, many times, which is, you know, why do you care?

00:35:20.000 Why is it so important to you?

00:35:22.000 Well, because I care about the truth, and the truth matters for its own sake.

00:35:24.000 So, let's just start with that.

00:35:25.000 I mean, look, if there was a movement afoot to convince everybody that squares are circles, you know, and that geometry is fluid and there's a square-circle spectrum and it's all the same, you know, I would be fighting back against it.

00:35:41.000 I would make a film called What is a Square?

00:35:43.000 Because it's just true.

00:35:45.000 I don't want to live in a world where people don't understand the difference.

00:35:48.000 The truth matters.

00:35:48.000 So that's the first thing.

00:35:50.000 And I just think we need to reject this idea that we have to immediately go to the kind of like practical, well, how is this practically affecting me?

00:35:56.000 It does practically affect us, and that's when we bring us to the next thing, which is that women are, as you women have noticed, are being erased, appropriate.

00:36:06.000 We hear so much about appropriation.

00:36:07.000 Women's identities are being appropriated. 0.80

00:36:10.000 And basically, like womanhood is now worn like a costume. 0.99

00:36:15.000 It's like something that a man can just put on. 0.99

00:36:18.000 Right?

00:36:19.000 Yeah.

00:36:21.000 And being taken advantage of, being put in incredibly dangerous situations, being you have women in prison now who are being locked in cages, right, with violent males who just say that they're women.

00:36:37.000 And in many cases, the man doesn't even have to take hormones or certainly doesn't have to get sex chain surgery.

00:36:42.000 Just a man says, oh, you know, I'm a woman, turns out.

00:36:45.000 They say, okay, we'll send you over to the women's prison. 1.00

00:36:47.000 A lot of these women, many women in women's prisons have been sexually abused in the past. 0.99

00:36:50.000 And just imagine that.

00:36:51.000 So that matters, okay?

00:36:53.000 That's why we need legislation to stop that. 0.86

00:36:55.000 And then also children.

00:36:56.000 Listen, LGBT identification in general has, for the youngest generation, has risen 20-fold over their great-grandparents.

00:37:10.000 So for the great-grandparents of Gen Z, LGBT identification, according to Gallup polls, is like 0.8%.

00:37:16.000 For Gen Z, it's 20%. 0.99

00:37:19.000 And if you follow the generations, and it's getting higher.

00:37:22.000 And for my kids' generations, it's going to be even higher than that.

00:37:24.000 It's probably like 40%, 50%.

00:37:26.000 In fact, it will be 40%.

00:37:27.000 I'll predict that right now.

00:37:28.000 And here's how I know.

00:37:28.000 Because for the last five generations, LGBT identification has doubled generation upon generation for five generations in a row.

00:37:36.000 And I think that's going to continue.

00:37:38.000 Trans identification in particular, also 20 times higher, especially among Gen Z.

00:37:44.000 So there's this real conspiracy among all the most powerful institutions in this country to brainwash and indoctrinate and recruit kids into what is, I think, a cult.

00:37:57.000 And to create within them an identity crisis.

00:37:59.000 We're taking kids who are just normal, innocent kids.

00:38:01.000 You have like a three-year-old boy who's just a normal boy.

00:38:04.000 Anyone's been around a three-year-old, you know, they just say a bunch of nonsense all the time.

00:38:08.000 Nothing they say means anything. 0.76

00:38:08.000 They're just like little kids running around talking nonsense. 0.76

00:38:11.000 And so a little boy says, just one day, says, oh, I'm a girl.

00:38:15.000 And you have these adults that latch on to that and they say, okay, now, you know what now, Johnny?

00:38:19.000 This is going to be your life now.

00:38:21.000 This thing that you just said when you were three years old because you were babbling, this is now your life.

00:38:26.000 Like we're going to, this is now an identity crisis that we're going to create for you. 0.93

00:38:30.000 And we're going to put you on the path to mutilation, despair, and suicide. 0.98

00:38:33.000 That's why we should care. 0.88

00:38:35.000 And it's an totally applaud that.

00:38:41.000 There's a romanticism element to this too, which in a lot of the literature, they would always value the infant over the adult.

00:38:49.000 And it's kind of an extension.

00:38:51.000 We've seen it in recent years.

00:38:52.000 And you've seen it in our education system where teachers kind of go around the room, like, I'm going to ask my third graders what they think about gun control.

00:38:59.000 Like, actually, no one cares about you what your third graders think about gun control.

00:39:02.000 They're in third grade.

00:39:03.000 You should teach them things that are true.

00:39:05.000 And teachers that do this, they have totally the wrong perspective of what education is.

00:39:10.000 It means to lead children towards the truth, not to democratize it and be like, yeah, kids say the darndest things.

00:39:15.000 Like, they actually say really dumb things, and you should correct them and tell them to sit up straight with their shoulders back and speak properly and use good English and get better handwriting.

00:39:24.000 Yeah. 0.72

00:39:25.000 And so in some ways, it's been this over-elevation of the child.

00:39:30.000 And that's not to say that children can't say things of wisdom and they can't be cute and all of that.

00:39:35.000 Obviously, there's a balance in between it.

00:39:37.000 But when children start to dictate your public policy, you go in a bad direction.

00:39:40.000 And guess what?

00:39:41.000 We've done that.

00:39:42.000 We've tried to do it on gun control. 0.72

00:39:44.000 We decided to just listen to a bunch of teenagers about guns.

00:39:44.000 Remember Parkland?

00:39:47.000 We've done it with environmental policy.

00:39:49.000 Greta Thunberg has become more instrumental than most scientists in the West.

00:39:55.000 And it doesn't seem like it's any different because there is almost this untouchability that American adults feel towards the nation's children.

00:40:03.000 As if, who am I, as a 55-year-old parent who pays taxes and has been around for multiple decades, who am I to tell my six-year-old what is true?

00:40:13.000 How on earth do we get that messed up?

00:40:15.000 Well, one way is that the people coming up with these ideas are all a bunch of like childless cat ladies with purple hair who have they've just never been around kids. 1.00

00:40:23.000 They really don't even understand what a kid is.

00:40:25.000 Oh, that's exactly true.

00:40:27.000 Because listen, I have four kids, and you just have to be around kids for like five seconds and you realize how much nonsense all this stuff is.

00:40:38.000 My two-year-old, okay, so this is just one example of so many others.

00:40:41.000 My current two-year-old daughter, the youngest, has been insisting to us for weeks that there's a monkey in her room that only comes out at night when she's sleeping.

00:40:52.000 And she tells us all these wild stories about this monkey.

00:40:55.000 Monkey pox or the monkey?

00:40:57.000 Well, I'm worried now.

00:40:58.000 I'm a little bit worried.

00:41:00.000 So I got to talk to her about that.

00:41:01.000 We might get the vaccine, I guess.

00:41:03.000 But no, so she's telling me all about this.

00:41:07.000 And does that mean is my two-year-old, is she hallucinating?

00:41:10.000 Is she crazy? 0.82

00:41:12.000 Is she lying? 0.87

00:41:14.000 No, none of that.

00:41:15.000 Is there actually a monkey in there?

00:41:17.000 Of course, that's not true either.

00:41:17.000 It's just that kids don't have a grab.

00:41:19.000 The distinction between fantasy and reality doesn't exist for young kids.

00:41:23.000 That's the reason why, and I bring this up to the gender-affirming pediatrician I talked to in the film.

00:41:29.000 You know, little four-year-old kid, and I don't think there's no four-year-olds here, right?

00:41:33.000 So I don't want to spoil anything, but a four-year-old kid, you can, you don't even have to convince a four-year-old kid of this.

00:41:38.000 They'll just believe you the first time you tell them that there's a magical fat man who flies through the air on reindeer at the speed of light and brings presents to them through a chimney.

00:41:51.000 And you could tell a four-year-old dad, and they'll just say, oh, okay, they don't ask any skeptical questions at all.

00:41:55.000 Like, none.

00:41:56.000 Because it just doesn't, the idea that, you know, of invention and imagination and fantasy, that doesn't exist for them because their whole world is imagination and fantasy and all of this.

00:42:07.000 And that's what's so wonderful about being a kid.

00:42:09.000 Just like let them have their imagination.

00:42:11.000 Let them live in this innocent childlike world.

00:42:14.000 Stop trying to turn it into this.

00:42:18.000 And but it also is incumbent on adults to say stop when the line is crossed.

00:42:23.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:42:24.000 And that's that and we know this because as you grow older, you realize true freedom is not doing what you want to do.

00:42:33.000 It's the pursuit of virtue.

00:42:34.000 I mean, go meet an alcoholic.

00:42:35.000 Are they free?

00:42:36.000 Of course not, obviously.

00:42:38.000 The alcoholic did whatever they wanted to do whenever they want to do it, and they're the least free people in the world.

00:42:41.000 And they have to struggle very hard to get over that.

00:42:43.000 And I think all of us know people in our lives that struggle with that.

00:42:45.000 It's a very serious thing.

00:42:47.000 And so when you're dealing with a child and they all of a sudden kind of cross the line, the moral society loves the child so much to say, we know what's actually better.

00:42:57.000 Stop eating dirt, right?

00:42:59.000 You have to not only eat sugar.

00:43:01.000 I mean, these are very basic things that we are willing to do.

00:43:06.000 And yet, Matt, I mean, it's insane.

00:43:07.000 If I were to say, okay, if a child just says, I want to eat Skittles for the rest of the year, no rational adult would say that's good.

00:43:14.000 They would say, you know, called child protective services almost. 0.87

00:43:17.000 And yet, if they were to say, if that five-year-old would say, okay, I'm fine eating broccoli, I actually just want to have my genitals chopped off, the parent says, oh my goodness, tell me more. 0.91

00:43:32.000 That to me is kind of the most obvious component.

00:43:35.000 I agree with you partially, Matt, but I want to have you explain it for me a little bit more.

00:43:40.000 Because you're right, a lot of this is like sexless, childless, you know, purple hat people, purple-hair people that are really angry.

00:43:46.000 But there are parents that go along with this.

00:43:48.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:43:49.000 Can you help me understand that?

00:43:52.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:43:54.000 I think the people and kind of the institutions and academia who are coming up with these ideas and filtering them down, these are the childless purple-haired people. 0.98

00:44:03.000 And they do almost always have purple hair.

00:44:04.000 It's just like crazy how.

00:44:06.000 They're opinion makers, right?

00:44:07.000 Right, yeah, exactly.

00:44:08.000 But yeah, when you get down into, when you filter beyond the institutions and get into the family, unfortunately, you do often find now parents who are eager to go along with this.

00:44:17.000 I think there are, when it comes to parents of so-called trans kids, and I say so-called trans kid because there's no such thing as a trans kid in reality, but the parents, I think that kind of broadly fall into two categories.

00:44:28.000 The one category is the parents of the adolescent, and Abigail Schreier talks about this all the time, wrote about it in her excellent book, Irreversible Physical Damage.

00:44:37.000 Yeah. 0.83

00:44:38.000 So these are the parents who you're raising your kid, you're doing everything you think right, you're loving your child, and then one day your daughter comes home at the age of 14 and says, I'm a boy, I want to chop my breasts off.

00:44:49.000 And the parents, of course, react like any parent should and say, I'm not going to do that.

00:44:54.000 But then oftentimes the parent makes a mistake, and it's unfortunate this is a mistake now, where they go to a therapist without doing a lot of research ahead of time, and the therapist tells them, well, do you want to have a living son or a dead daughter?

00:45:06.000 Because your child's going to kill herself or himself if you don't allow this gender transition. 1.00

00:45:14.000 And there are parents that are, I mean, imagine hearing that when you're not prepared, you don't really understand, you know, you haven't looked into this very much, you didn't expect any of this, and then all of a sudden you're hearing this.

00:45:24.000 That's a threat, by the way.

00:45:25.000 That's a threat.

00:45:26.000 It's emotional blackmail.

00:45:28.000 And so I have a lot of sympathy for the parents in that position.

00:45:33.000 Although, no matter what, you cannot ever go along with your child mutilating themselves, no matter what.

00:45:40.000 But that's different.

00:45:43.000 That is different from the parent who says, my five-year-old is non-binary.

00:45:48.000 That's a totally different thing.

00:45:50.000 Okay, because your five-year-old, this is not institutions conspiring against you.

00:45:56.000 Your five-year-old can't put any pressure on you.

00:45:58.000 This is something, your five-year-old didn't come up with that.

00:46:00.000 No five-year-old comes up with that.

00:46:03.000 You came up with that, and this was your idea, and you put them on that path early in life because you wanted a child who was non-binary or trans because they're a prop, they're a political pawn, they're a fashion accessory that you can carry around and show off. 0.68

00:46:20.000 I want to play a clip from the movie of how real this chemical castration is.

00:46:25.000 I think this is the clip you were talking about, Matt.

00:46:27.000 So let's take a look.

00:46:29.000 At what age does the medical transition begin with medication?

00:46:33.000 So medical affirmation begins when the patient says they're ready for it.

00:46:38.000 So that could be a kiddo who is just starting puberty and panicking because they're getting breastbuds or their penis is getting bigger and busier and they're worried about all kinds of masculine changes.

00:46:52.000 And that way, puberty blockers, which are completely reversible and don't have permanent effects, are wonderful because we can put that pause on puberty.

00:47:03.000 Just like if you were listening to music, you put the pause on and we stop the blockers and puberty would go right back to where it was.

00:47:11.000 The next note in the song just delayed that period of time.

00:47:16.000 You can just pause puberty.

00:47:17.000 No, you can't.

00:47:18.000 And then pick it up?

00:47:19.000 No, you can't.

00:47:20.000 For the future.

00:47:20.000 No, you can't.

00:47:21.000 How many studies do they have, long-term studies, on hormone blockers with children?

00:47:27.000 None.

00:47:28.000 I just spoke a month or two ago with a mother whose 14-year-old daughter was put on blockers.

00:47:38.000 They discovered after two years, this 14-year-old girl has osteoporosis.

00:47:43.000 That's something that like old women get. 1.00

00:47:46.000 How can doctors assure parents that a certain medicine is totally safe?

00:47:51.000 Based on what you're saying, they can't possibly know that.

00:47:54.000 How can they be removing the healthy breasts of 15-year-old girls? 0.87

00:47:59.000 How can they be sterilizing kids?

00:48:03.000 How can this whole thing be happening, Matt?

00:48:07.000 So can you just re-emphasize one of the points?

00:48:12.000 Puberty just can't stop like it's a movie, right?

00:48:14.000 Yeah, it doesn't work that way.

00:48:16.000 It's a healthy process in the human body.

00:48:19.000 And as you heard from Scott Nugent, who's the, that's a trans a woman who transitioned to a male, although she says in the film, she's one of the only honest people we talk to, and she says, I transitioned to appear like a man, but I'll never be a man.

00:48:35.000 Anyways, we hear from her, that there are no studies that have been done on this whatsoever.

00:48:40.000 We've never had a generation of kids that has had this done to them. 0.90

00:48:46.000 They're lab rats.

00:48:47.000 So we're just kind of trying this out on a whole generation of kids.

00:48:50.000 But based on what we do know, we know that these are serious drugs.

00:48:54.000 A little bit later in that same interaction, we talk about what the actual drug is.

00:48:59.000 The actual puberty blocking drug is Lupron.

00:49:01.000 That's what it's called.

00:49:02.000 And it is used off-label to, quote, block puberty.

00:49:06.000 It is actually a cancer drug for prostate cancer that you give to adult men.

00:49:11.000 And at a certain point, they realized it had chemical castration properties. 0.90

00:49:15.000 So they started giving it to sex offenders to chemically castrate pedophiles.

00:49:19.000 And now we give it to 12-year-old boys.

00:49:22.000 And I asked that pediatrician about that, said, Lupron, it's chemical castration.

00:49:26.000 And that's when she said she wanted to get up and the interview was going to be over.

00:49:29.000 She didn't want to talk about it, but it's absolutely true. 1.00

00:49:32.000 And this is what we're doing, not just to a couple of kids, but to thousands, millions of kids.

00:49:36.000 Yeah, so the question is also, how widespread is this, right?

00:49:40.000 We know the pharmaceutical industry has done such damage to our country, especially over the last couple of years.

00:49:45.000 And you want to look at kind of one of the major enlightenments is how people don't trust Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Johnson ⁇ Johnson, and Moderna anymore after the damage they've done.

00:49:54.000 But this is an interesting wrinkle where people don't realize it's not just the pharmaceutical companies that are pushing antidepressants on you unnecessarily.

00:50:01.000 And by the way, they might make your depression and anxiety worse, just so we're clear.

00:50:05.000 So you be very careful before you go on benzodiazepans or Prozac or Xanax.

00:50:10.000 But it's not just that, but the pharmaceutical industry is involved in this trans issue.

00:50:15.000 There's billions of dollars to be made in new FDA-approved puberty blockers, and then with it, the benzodiazepans and these other drugs that could also accompany it.

00:50:25.000 Talk about the pharmaceutical profit motive involved in a lot of this.

00:50:28.000 Well, as you just said, billions of dollars.

00:50:30.000 And anytime there's billions of dollars involved, then we know that that's reason enough for skepticism.

00:50:36.000 When it comes to chemically castrating kids, that should be the entire reason that you need to be skeptical of it.

00:50:42.000 But there are people that are making billions of dollars, and it's not just the pharmaceutical industry.

00:50:47.000 This goes to therapists.

00:50:50.000 There are therapists that used to just be regular old therapists, and then they realize that the real money is in the gender-affirming game.

00:50:57.000 And that's where you can really make the money.

00:50:58.000 That's where you can find all the clients.

00:51:00.000 And so this is all they do now is they do gender-affirming care.

00:51:04.000 And then there are endocrinologists who this is all they do now is give out the hormone blockers and everything.

00:51:09.000 There are people who have realized in therapies like psychiatric industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the medical industry generally, that there is lots of money to be made here.

00:51:20.000 And so they have no incentive.

00:51:25.000 If you've got a five-year-old boy who has now had this gender confusion foist on him, there's no profit incentive in helping that child overcome the confusion and just live as a boy.

00:51:37.000 I mean, that boy, there's a dollar sign over his head.

00:51:41.000 That boy is worth millions of dollars in the long run to lots of very powerful industries.

00:51:47.000 It sounds cynical, but boy, we believe it after the last couple years, don't we?

00:51:50.000 After we've seen what they've done to us.

00:51:53.000 So, Matt, how much do you think of this as natural predisposition or societal fad?

00:51:58.000 Because this is an ongoing debate that I will say that mostly adults over the age of 50, they'll say, look, no one wants to be transgender.

00:52:07.000 No one wants to be gay. 1.00

00:52:09.000 And believe it or not, this is actually mostly boomers make this argument, believe it or not, that no one would wish this upon themselves.

00:52:15.000 Because I think they remember a generation where that was true in the 60s or 70s or 80s.

00:52:21.000 But as you say, and I don't say this jokingly, this is true.

00:52:23.000 It's the gayest generation in history. 1.00

00:52:25.000 You know, 40% of Arizona Christian, according to Arizona Christian University, 40% will identify as bisexual, lesbian, gay, or any one of those categories.

00:52:34.000 And I didn't believe the study at first.

00:52:35.000 So we asked our podcast audience to email us.

00:52:38.000 We received thousands of emails.

00:52:40.000 And they said that, oh yeah, like half of my child's fourth grade class is non-binary or lesbian or gay.

00:52:46.000 Do you believe 40% more or less?

00:52:47.000 Would you find that?

00:52:49.000 Just the audience.

00:52:49.000 Do you think that's about right?

00:52:51.000 Yeah, heads are nodding.

00:52:53.000 And so how much of this is predisposition, Matt, such as a, you know, there might be something, for whatever reason, of feminine or masculine tendencies for a man or a woman, or how much of it is a fad?

00:53:04.000 And are we even allowed to say that?

00:53:06.000 I think almost all of it is a fad. 0.83

00:53:09.000 There's a very small minority of people who, even apart from any fad and any of this being suggested to them, would have some confusion, some delusions about their true identity.

00:53:20.000 And if you want to know what percentage that would be, well, just look at the generations before any of this was promoted or suggested or advertised.

00:53:29.000 And if you go back to like our grandparents' generation, it's like 0.something percent that would have identified as trans.

00:53:36.000 That's the number. 0.97

00:53:36.000 That's the number of people who have the mental condition. 0.97

00:53:41.000 And the rest of this is societal.

00:53:43.000 I don't mean to interrupt, but just to say, because I'm sure a lot of you receive that counter argument.

00:53:46.000 Well, they'll say, oh, no, but they weren't comfortable coming out back then.

00:53:49.000 So the environment is different.

00:53:51.000 I'm sorry to interject, but I'm sure a lot of you have heard that argument.

00:53:53.000 How do we respond to that?

00:53:55.000 Well, what do they always say? 0.97

00:53:56.000 They say that if you don't affirm somebody as trans, then they're going to kill themselves. 0.97

00:54:03.000 You're creating suicide, right? 0.76

00:54:04.000 We've all heard that a million times.

00:54:05.000 Okay.

00:54:05.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:54:08.000 So back in 1950, let's say, there's 0.01% identifying as trans.

00:54:13.000 But in reality, there's like 10% trans, but they're not being affirmed.

00:54:17.000 Was there an epidemic of people killing themselves in 1950 because they weren't being affirmed as trans?

00:54:22.000 Did that happen at all, ever?

00:54:26.000 So that's my response.

00:54:27.000 It just, the whole theory breaks down.

00:54:29.000 According to them, if that's true, that in 1950 there were 10% trans, but they weren't being affirmed, then there should have been a mass suicide epidemic.

00:54:38.000 That didn't happen.

00:54:39.000 The mass suicide epidemic is now.

00:54:41.000 The mass suicide epidemic is alongside the affirmation.

00:54:46.000 That's what's causing the suicide.

00:54:47.000 And so it's the exact opposite of what they're saying.

00:54:50.000 And so a lot of people, so this is an interesting component.

00:54:57.000 I think this is a good way to end this, which is what do we actually do about it?

00:55:00.000 So I think the frustration that people have about this issue is that 99% of America does not believe men can become pregnant.

00:55:08.000 Maybe less, 90%.

00:55:10.000 I don't know.

00:55:10.000 99% of America think this stuff is insane.

00:55:12.000 All the while, 99% of America is afraid to talk about it, which is that there's an incredible, and we mentioned this at the beginning: there's a bullying, a harassment, intimidation, a threat, and a fear around this issue.

00:55:25.000 So, Matt, give us a status report.

00:55:27.000 Who's winning?

00:55:28.000 Is the alphabet mafia winning? 0.96

00:55:30.000 Is it the cartel of chemical castration?

00:55:33.000 Are we starting to gain some ground?

00:55:34.000 Do you see some promise?

00:55:36.000 Are you more optimistic?

00:55:37.000 Give us your report.

00:55:39.000 They are winning right now.

00:55:40.000 We have the statistics.

00:55:41.000 We talked about the numbers.

00:55:42.000 It's clear that right now they're winning.

00:55:44.000 But this is one.

00:55:45.000 I'm not usually optimistic on anything.

00:55:46.000 So if I'm optimistic on something, then there's reason to listen.

00:55:50.000 I am actually optimistic on this.

00:55:51.000 I think that we're not winning right now, but we can win.

00:55:54.000 Okay.

00:55:55.000 Gender ideology is pervasive, ubiquitous, incredibly toxic and harmful and dangerous, and it's beatable. 1.00

00:56:02.000 We can easily beat it.

00:56:04.000 And I discovered this myself filming this documentary because all I did, I went around and I just asked the simplest, most basic questions.

00:56:10.000 And what I discovered is that this is an ideology that is so weak, so flimsy, so utterly hollow at its core that it cannot withstand the pressure of even one genuine question asked with real skepticism.

00:56:23.000 All you have to do is just stand up straight, look this, confront this thing, look it straight in the eyes, and ask it questions.

00:56:30.000 Demand that it explain itself.

00:56:32.000 Okay, if you're going to come to me with this gender ideology thing, explain it. 0.95

00:56:36.000 Tell me why I should accept it.

00:56:37.000 Answer these questions.

00:56:39.000 And they can't do it.

00:56:39.000 They just fall apart.

00:56:41.000 So we can win, but we have to have, if we're not willing to actually stand up and ask the questions, then we're not.

00:56:47.000 I mean, we'll require a little bit of courage.

00:56:49.000 You know, there's no way to win any fight without some courage.

00:56:51.000 And remember that spectrum, which I thought was brilliant, right?

00:56:54.000 Which goes from tolerance, acceptance, celebration, and participation.

00:56:58.000 One leads to the other.

00:56:59.000 And we're now on that bridge between mandatory celebration that if you are not showing your flag outside your door or if you're not showing your participation in it, then you're going to be docked points.

00:57:09.000 But let's develop the battle plan here.

00:57:11.000 We have a couple minutes remaining here.

00:57:12.000 Matt, what are people to do?

00:57:15.000 What are our turning point USA activists supposed to do?

00:57:17.000 What is the everyday person supposed to do to actually fix this?

00:57:20.000 Because there's a lot of angst and unease.

00:57:22.000 This is in the schools.

00:57:23.000 This is in the corporations.

00:57:24.000 This is in mass media.

00:57:26.000 And people are afraid to speak out about it, but it also just seems overwhelming and intimidating.

00:57:30.000 So what is an everyday person supposed to do?

00:57:33.000 I mean, the first and most basic thing that we could do is just go out and kind of live your life as a normal, rational person and refuse to surrender.

00:57:44.000 Yeah, just if all of us in this room were to agree to this right now and make this pledge, like as a starting point, that we are going to be normal, rational people living in reality, and we will not surrender that or compromise that for anyone.

00:57:57.000 It doesn't mean we're going out and shouting in people's faces.

00:58:00.000 I'm just going about my day, and I live in reality, and that's where I live.

00:58:03.000 And I'm not going to pretend otherwise ever for any reason.

00:58:06.000 If we just all lived like that, then that's huge progress right there.

00:58:10.000 That's the first thing.

00:58:11.000 And then we also have to talk about the kids too.

00:58:13.000 And if you have kids, we have to think about ways that we could protect our kids from this.

00:58:18.000 One big way, there are practical things like don't give your eight-year-old a smartphone with internet access.

00:58:23.000 That's got to be one thing.

00:58:25.000 Give your kids.

00:58:29.000 Your kid needs an oasis, a respite, a break from the culture and the madness.

00:58:35.000 You have to give them that.

00:58:36.000 And they might not want it.

00:58:37.000 They might not know that they need it or even know that they want it.

00:58:39.000 So you have to kind of force it on them by taking the phone away, taking all the stuff away, and just saying, you're going to be here now, present in the home.

00:58:46.000 Go outside and play, be a kid.

00:58:48.000 That's another thing that we have to do, because we have to put up this barrier protecting our kids so that we can kind of stop this pipeline that's getting all these ideas out into public.

00:58:58.000 And I would add a couple things to that.

00:59:00.000 I mean, I want to reinforce the courage part, by the way.

00:59:02.000 It's hosting the Turning Point USA events, doing the activity on campus.

00:59:06.000 And by the way, who would love to bring Matt Walsh to campus?

00:59:08.000 How awesome would that be?

00:59:09.000 Wouldn't that be amazing?

00:59:12.000 We tried to make it work.

00:59:13.000 Berkeley would have been a lot of fun.

00:59:15.000 We'll get it done.

00:59:15.000 I'll tell you what.

00:59:16.000 Could you imagine Matt and I going to Berkeley?

00:59:18.000 Woof, that would have been something.

00:59:19.000 We'll get it done.

00:59:20.000 We could play the Africa clip in Berkeley.

00:59:21.000 Yeah, that would be something.

00:59:22.000 I'll tell you what.

00:59:24.000 Boy, Boulder 2 and a couple other campuses.

00:59:28.000 But I want to add to this, and I know, Matt, you will agree.

00:59:30.000 And this is something as conservatives, we don't like to do, which is we have to make the cost of harming children high.

00:59:39.000 What do I mean by that?

00:59:40.000 We have to punish these people.

00:59:42.000 We have to be unafraid to entertain laws, entertain public policy, and yes, also social stigma.

00:59:52.000 If you are involved in the proliferation or the normalization of chemical castration for children, like I'm not going to tolerate that.

01:00:00.000 I'm not going to accept it.

01:00:01.000 In fact, there has to be a cost associated with that.

01:00:04.000 Because that's exactly what they've done to us for years.

01:00:07.000 Matt?

01:00:08.000 Amen to that.

01:00:10.000 I wish I had led with the punishment bit.

01:00:12.000 That's a lot more hardcore, and I like that.

01:00:14.000 But I think you're exactly right.

01:00:16.000 We have to actually be, we should feel angry.

01:00:20.000 Like, you couldn't, it would be possible to be too angry about what they're doing to kids.

01:00:25.000 And if we don't feel that anger viscerally, then that just shows that it's been normalized for us.

01:00:30.000 We've been desensitized to a certain extent.

01:00:32.000 That's not okay.

01:00:33.000 This idea that we should never be angry about anything.

01:00:36.000 We should be angry about this and act on that.

01:00:40.000 Righteous indignation.

01:00:41.000 So, Matt, I have a personal question for you.

01:00:43.000 How does your faith play into this, if at all?

01:00:46.000 I mean, my faith, I'm a devout Catholic, so obviously my faith lies at the.

01:00:50.000 Yeah, there we go.

01:00:51.000 There's a good applause line.

01:00:52.000 My faith is at the foundation of everything that I do and believe and think.

01:00:57.000 However, I would also add that although I'm a devout Catholic, I don't think that you need to be a Catholic or a Christian or religious at all to realize that men can't have babies and that all this gender ideology stuff is crazy.

01:01:11.000 Actually, the religious faith when it comes to gender ideology is on the part of the gender ideologues.

01:01:18.000 That is a very faith-based position, and I think it's important to keep that in mind.

01:01:22.000 They are the fanatics, they're the zealots.

01:01:25.000 They're the ones that believe in the flat earth or some sort of undefined hallucinogenic sky god, right?

01:01:31.000 They're the ones that believe in the things that can't be proven, can't be articulated.

01:01:35.000 All the accusations that they give against religion, they're the ones that actually believe. 0.83

01:01:39.000 There's far more archaeological evidence for the life, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any of this transgender nonsense. 1.00

01:01:46.000 Not even close. 0.67

01:01:47.000 Absolutely.

01:01:49.000 And I have a soft spot for Catholics.

01:01:52.000 Closing thoughts, Matt. 0.95

01:01:54.000 Well, I hate to end on a sales pitch, but I'm a dirty capitalist pig, so I have to say that if you like what you saw in the film there, we put a year of our life into this film.

01:02:03.000 I do think that it's actually important. 0.52

01:02:05.000 It can make an impact in the culture.

01:02:06.000 That's why we did it.

01:02:08.000 And so I would urge you to subscribe to the Daily Wire, watch the film, share it with your friends.

01:02:15.000 It's something I'm really proud of.

01:02:17.000 The whole team is proud of it.

01:02:18.000 And I think it can make an impact.

01:02:20.000 I hope it will.

01:02:21.000 So become a subscriber today.

01:02:23.000 That's my final word.

01:02:25.000 I will close with this.

01:02:27.000 Matt has a super busy schedule.

01:02:28.000 This was a last-minute edition, but he thought so highly of all of you and wanted to be with all of you.

01:02:33.000 And no better place to do that.

01:02:34.000 So give it up for Matt.

01:02:37.000 God bless you guys.

01:02:38.000 Thank you.

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01:02:44.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 04, 2022

Two Cis-Men Answer the Question 'What Is A Woman?' — A Discussion with Matt Walsh

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