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00:03:45.000Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show with me and with us today is a friend of mine, Dana Lash.
00:04:00.000And it's really encouraging as like the older sister to look down and see so many young women.
00:04:05.000And just, this is really encouraging because I just feel like with everything that things get so nasty and women, you know, I mean, you've seen it.
00:04:13.000Women, particularly in politics, they deal with a lot of garbage.
00:04:16.000And so it's nice to see so many women work like a conservative sisterhood.
00:04:21.000And I called them Shield Maidens, and that's completely accurate.
00:05:09.000Or do you think that it was a good thing that we kind of were these issues that are now kind of coming front and center, challenging corporate tyranny, rebuilding the American family?
00:05:21.000Do you think that's a good thing for conservatives to be talking about?
00:05:23.000Or do you think that we should be more kind of focused on the kind of Ron Paul energy that used to exist?
00:05:30.000Ron Paul did have a lot of energy, didn't he?
00:05:33.000Ron Paul is the opposite of a narcissist.
00:05:36.000Every time he got a compliment, he's like, it's not about me.
00:05:46.000There were a lot of people around that.
00:05:47.000And I think that any kind of coalition needs, you need personalities like that and people who can really motivate and inspire and get people engaged.
00:05:54.000I think every issue should be on the table.
00:05:56.000We are in such, and maybe it doesn't seem like it, but I really think that for the first time in maybe perhaps my life, I don't know that I've ever seen such a coalition that has existed on the right like it does today.
00:06:10.000The last election, there were more Hispanic Americans voting Republican than we've seen since, and black Americans voting Republican since what, Nixon?
00:06:57.000They dutifully supported every candidate that the Democrat Party threw to them.
00:07:01.000But they were underserved and ignored for so much, so much, so many administrations.
00:07:06.000And then they see somebody who's actually coming up.
00:07:09.000And then because Trump was talking about it, a lot of other Republicans started modifying their messaging as well and really started focusing in and putting faces with these stories, putting like on immigration.
00:07:21.000Instead of just talking about and giving crime statistics, you know, Trump brought out Jameel Shaw Sr., whose son was the star athlete and someone who had entered the country illegally and was a criminal and had a record.
00:07:32.000And because this person wasn't deported, was able to be in the streets of Los Angeles and murder his star athlete son and with him his hopes and dreams.
00:07:40.000And putting a face with those kind of stories and really having that messaging, that wide, I mean, that brought a lot of people, Charlie, you remember, it brought a lot of people to the Republican Party, to the right in general, lowercase L's, maybe even a couple of capital L libertarians.
00:07:54.000But that coalition, it's tough to maintain it.
00:08:14.000So walk me through what you think the conservative movement should stand for because there's a lot of different opinions on that, where it should be freedom or tyranny.
00:08:21.000Well, so, so, okay, let me ask you, do you think we should challenge neoliberalism?
00:08:26.000Like, do you think we should say it's a great thing to trade with China?
00:08:29.000Like, this is the thing that we're wrestling with, right?
00:08:31.000Should we say we want more people in our country?
00:08:54.000We're at this really interesting crossroads where conservatives, like with the instance of corporatism, conservatives traditionally haven't been brought up or encouraged to think of corporations in that way.
00:09:10.000Whereas I think a lot of capital L libertarians have always viewed corporations that way, maybe some smaller L libertarians as well.
00:09:16.000So I view everybody that way, but I'm a cynic.
00:09:18.000So, you know, that's a whole different other thing.
00:09:22.000But when you start seeing, well, because conservatives haven't traditionally been brought up to think like that, they find themselves now, we're all in this era where corporations, maybe they've acted like that before, but not at the extent that they have been acting like that now and not so blatantly.
00:09:41.000I mean, you have social media companies where Twitter and Facebook, these are corporations that have been acting as agents of the state.
00:09:49.000You have other corporations out there doing the same thing.
00:09:50.000We have Operation Checkpoint where banks and other financial institutions, some of which have been helped with taxpayer money, some have not, have been acting as agents of the state in which they basically want to drum out firearm business.
00:10:01.000Yeah, Operation Chokepoint, drum out firearm business, going after things like pawn shops, all that stuff.
00:10:06.000So I do think that we are at the moment where I understand how people want to, because I almost can argue both sides of this, but I think in the past like couple of months, I finally have come to a position on it because at first I'm like, oh, I can't compromise the principle of not wanting to tell private business what to do.
00:10:39.000Let's see, you know, let's just, let's ask all the questions and see, you know, is there a different way that we could maybe approach this?
00:10:44.000And, but I, I, when they start acting as agents of the state, I think that they're assuming that liability.
00:10:50.000I think that they're, they're assuming, they're inviting that, that sort of, that sort of treatment.
00:10:55.000Um, and I know a lot of conservatives struggle with this, and I understand that because they're very hesitant, and they also don't want to be baited into inadvertently creating a new precedent that could ultimately come back and hurt them.
00:11:08.000They're not doing it to be contrarian.
00:11:10.000I think that they've just, they're so shell-shocked that they don't know exactly how to remedy that problem.
00:11:16.000But it is a problem like Section 230, all of this other stuff that we, you know, and not just with tech, but with, you know, I mean, just businesses in general.
00:11:25.000So it is, it's a new realization for conservatism, if that makes sense.
00:12:06.000And because of technology and because of merger and acquisition culture in Silicon Valley, where they buy up their competitors, we're kind of there.
00:12:15.000Like what we're seeing with BlackRock right now.
00:12:17.000Well, so let's talk about that, right?
00:12:18.000So some people on Twitter think it's perfectly fine for a company with $8 trillion in assets to go being single-family homes.
00:13:04.000That almost contradicts with a lot of the, I mean, the idea to create that kind of society does almost, I mean, it kind of contradicts with the earlier sentiment in the Federalist Papers when the founders were arguing with each other about property ownership and taxation.
00:13:18.000And that, I mean, anti-Federalists were right about a lot.
00:14:12.000And either we're going to use political power and public policy to preserve what matters, or we're going to be principled while we manage the decline of the greatest country ever.
00:14:22.000Hey, guys, you guys have heard me talk with my friend Kelly Shackelford before.
00:14:26.000Kelly Shackelford from First Liberty is a good person.
00:14:29.000Look, we've talked about court packing.
00:14:31.000It's the tool of left-wing authoritarians.
00:14:33.000Hugo Chavez packed Venezuela's Supreme Court with his socialist cronies and paved the way for his tyrannical regime.
00:14:40.000But now Joe Biden and American socialist radicals want to pack our Supreme Court with four new liberal justices.
00:14:46.000Court packing isn't some policy idea to improve our courts.
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00:15:42.000What do you say to people who question whether or not we're getting baited into creating a precedent where that big government then can turn around and be used against us?
00:17:32.000Article 1, Section 8, and then everything else.
00:17:35.000That's why I don't like subsidization of the, you know, too big to fail, big banks, housing, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and then to pay people to have kids.
00:20:16.000We don't even have a pure capitalist system.
00:20:19.000But I think doing using the government in ways that are antithetical to our limited government beliefs, because that's what we're expanding government.
00:20:29.000Like the moon project, that was good, right?
00:20:31.000Yeah, but tungsten don't make a right.
00:20:33.000But like going to the moon, that was cool.
00:20:35.000Going to the moon could be argued as something that's defense.
00:20:38.000So it's defense to have more children.
00:22:29.000That's a huge travesty because we're talking about changing things where if people were motivated enough to vote and they went out like for, I mean, I looked for in Georgia when they had the special election and I get it that you have people like Lynn Wood down there who was saying, oh, it's vote.
00:23:10.000And it was just like, you have all these people out here that are talking about things that they could do, and they can't be prevailed upon to do one of the most simplest things.
00:23:16.000But then there's for all of the ways to figure out how to save the Republic.
00:23:21.000It's one of the most basic ways to start.
00:23:23.000A lot of people are completely divorced from civic engagement, period.
00:23:28.000They're divorced from civic participation.
00:23:30.000They're divorced from even having any kind of involvement in their school board elections.
00:23:34.000And the town where we live in, for instance, municipal elections, I don't, I think there was a record number of people that came out to vote, and still it was only like 60-something percent of people who came out to vote, which floors me that that's a record number when you could have 100% of people come out to vote.
00:23:48.000And we ended up taking back the school board.
00:23:50.000was a big OCRT fight by over by a little over 70%.
00:23:54.000And that's when people, when conservatives, when limited government people engage, we win every time, not just some of the time, every single time.
00:24:04.000I have never seen an election fight where we lose when we are all in and we are engaged.
00:24:09.000But the problem is, is I think that some people think it's one and done.
00:24:13.000Or they're like, okay, we got our guy in, our job's done, or we did it, we cast our vote, our job's done.
00:24:19.000Freedom requires so much more from people than that.
00:24:52.000Like these are, you know, a mom in my town who decided she wanted to stand up, a Cuban immigrant family who created businesses and they love America more than any white progressive I've ever seen who get out there and they wanted to speak out against indoctrinated racism that is CRT.
00:25:08.000They get out, they engage, they run for seats and they win.
00:25:12.000And to tell those stories to inspire people to get engaged and to be willing to risk it because liberty is not supposed to be comfortable and it doesn't guarantee happiness.
00:25:20.000You've got to provide that for yourself.
00:25:28.000That's why I'm like, I don't want to pay people to have families in the United States because if you want a republic, then you have to keep it.
00:25:34.000It's not the government's responsibility.
00:25:36.000And it's un-American to outsource any of our civic participation, our engagement, or our advocacy to anybody else but ourselves.
00:26:19.000Yeah, so like, for example, if we had a declining divorce rate and we had more children, do you think that kind of a nation would want to preserve liberty more?
00:26:24.000Well, probably more than the ones with the age of 15.
00:26:27.000So we should do the thing that makes liberty more sustainable.
00:26:31.000But that doesn't mean we use government.
00:26:41.000Yeah, but that's something that's actually protected by the Constitution.
00:26:43.000That's actually literally listed in the numerator powers for you can work on interstate roadways, but there's certain things that you can't do.
00:28:42.000It's a double-edged sword because it guarantees that you can pursue opportunity, but at the same time, not everyone makes the same choices as you.
00:29:02.000No, I think it's sustainable, but I think it also has to be, people have to be raised to be self-sufficient.
00:29:06.000That's why self-sufficiency and virtue were so prized and discussed by the founders.
00:29:10.000I mean, it's because in order to have a virtuous government, you have to have a virtuous people.
00:29:16.000You can't have a bunch of, you know, criminals and think that you're going to get from these people virtuous representations that are going to run your government well.
00:29:43.000Oh, I think that I, well, I have my, I have my criticisms with how certain pastors have been focusing maybe a little bit too much on the plaid shirts and the worship service.
00:29:55.000Yeah, and all the songs sound like Hillsong stuff.
00:29:59.000There's like a fun song that's going around on the internet where it's just like they it's it sounds like it literally I thought it was a hillsong song and then I was listening to the lyrics and I'm like, oh my gosh, they're making fun of this kind.
00:30:20.000I've always thought that, and I actually talked about this today, because Marxism can't continue without selfishness and without the vices of humanity.
00:30:31.000And that stuff comes into being when people, they don't understand, like in the Gospels, it's always like stewardship is voluntary and it's voluntary for the edification of the spirit.
00:30:42.000God gives free will wherein tyrants don't.
00:30:44.000And that's the one thing I'm like, if God's not going to, if God's not going to give it, then why am I going to advocate for it?
00:30:50.000You know, if he's not going to sit here and deny someone free will, why would I deny someone free will by way of where other their tax dollars would go or et cetera?
00:30:57.000And just because my government doesn't operate like that right now doesn't mean I still don't want those things.
00:31:02.000But when it comes to the church and when it comes to the family, I really think that a lot of pastors out there have their, I understand they want to win souls.
00:31:21.000And it's really when people fail to be good voluntary stewards for edification of the spirit, that's when this other stuff is allowed to move in.
00:31:30.000Because if you're not going to be a good steward, if you're not going to be that person, you know, the good Samaritan, then there's going to be something that is going to move in and use that as leverage to do it for you.
00:31:41.000And so that's where, I mean, honestly, that's what I think it is.
00:31:44.000It's almost like punishment for not being a good steward voluntarily.
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00:33:03.000Do you think that this is a very interesting question?
00:33:06.000Do you think that you can be a conservative while being an atheist?
00:33:11.000I think that conservatism is not a religious principle.
00:33:15.000I think it's a practice of, I think that I think it's a practice of limited government and it's a practice of, I think you can still have, you know, a good moral standing.
00:33:25.000But I do think at some point, if it's not rooted in anything, how secure is it?
00:34:21.000It might actually be absolutely terrible.
00:34:23.000But I'm not kind of going to just sit idly by and like just win the argument, lose the country.
00:34:27.000But at least you want to propose ideas and have discussions.
00:34:30.000Well, you're super provocative about those ideas.
00:34:32.000But people need to have conversations and they're afraid to have provocative conversations.
00:34:36.000And have you noticed, I mean, even playing devil's advocate isn't allowed in conversation anymore.
00:34:40.000People want to assume the absolute worst intent of what someone says, as they want to use that as an argument as opposed to having any kind of intellectual argument themselves.
00:34:49.000So I've become more libertarian on one issue, which is guns.
00:37:11.000You know, it's like for the same reason that people drive by the, you know, the JPC.
00:37:18.000And because it's weird how reality diminishes a place to where it looks so much smaller and so much more attainable than when you're younger and you're watching it on TV where it looks huge and crazy.
00:37:29.000And so we went there and I was with some show folks and when I was at the Blaze.
00:37:35.000And so we drove there and it was, it was so, I mean, beautiful country.
00:37:38.000Drive down this quaint little gravel road, beautiful, beautiful Texas Hill Country fields on either side.
00:37:44.000And you come up to this very nondescript fence.
00:37:46.000And if you had not known what had happened there all these years ago, you would just think that this is just like really pretty ranch property.
00:37:52.000Well, they have like a memorial there and there were, I mean, they still have the old burned out shell of the compound that was there and there were a couple of trailers that were there.
00:37:59.000So we were out of the car and we were just kind of looking at it.
00:38:02.000And I had a ton of guns in my car, tons of guns.
00:38:05.000I had like two guns on me, knife, K-bar, everything.
00:38:09.000And we are there looking at stuff and this other, this other car drives up.
00:39:39.000So what ended up happening is that there, because everybody focuses on there were charges of child molestation, child abuse that were never actually substantiated according to a congressional report.
00:40:04.000So what ended up happening is how all of this began was they thought that they were basically illegally manufacturing firearms and they were receiving like lowers and just like basic, you know, like gun kits like other, you know, everybody else does.
00:40:16.000And so the accusation was that they were involved in illegal weapons manufacturing.
00:40:21.000And instead of waiting for David Koresh to, you know, go out, he went to the post office multiple times a week.
00:40:28.000He was out around Waco, according to every single person who lived in Waco.
00:40:51.000They could have easily have served him when he was out and about because they knew he was walking around because they had him under surveillance.
00:40:58.000So they knew because they were seeing him with their own agents that were surveilling him.
00:41:04.000They could have served and they could have arrested him.
00:41:08.000But what was the, the operation was called showtime.
00:41:11.000And you can't have, I mean, just, you know, why would you call it showtime unless you wanted to have this big display of power and authority on television?
00:41:19.000It was like the ATF and the DOJ and the FBI and Janet Reno is running the whole thing.
00:41:24.000And this guy now, David Chipman, wants to go be able to confiscate all of our guns.
00:41:29.000No, he wants to, yeah, he wants to turn everything into an NFA item and basically put, which would put all of us under a registry.
00:41:34.000We'd have to pay $200 per firearm just to ask the government to own a piece of private property that we're legally able to purchase and legally able to own.
00:42:27.000And so by making everything an NFA item, like if you wanted a suppressor, which is stupid that that's an NFA item, you got to get your tax stamp.
00:42:35.000If you want, you know, an SBR short-barreled rifle, you know, something that's select fire, three-round burst or full auto.
00:42:40.000I mean, these are all things that are considered NFA items.
00:42:43.000And so he wants to take something like, you know, an AR-15.
00:42:45.000He wants to take something like, you know, a 22LR.
00:42:48.000He wants to basically, that's why I keep saying the AR-15 is just the avatar for all semi-automatic firearms, because for most of these gun control activists, that's the easy thing for them to remember.
00:42:57.000They don't really have to know much about it.
00:42:59.000It's one of the most least used things in crime, FBI, UCRs.
00:43:04.000I mean, all the data is out there on the internet where it's so hard to find, apparently.
00:43:08.000The goal is to make everything be discoverable by the government.
00:43:12.000In order to be an NFA item, depending on how people would be licensed, you may be opening yourself up to inspections of your home by the government to determine whether or not your NFA items, they're properly licensed that you have your tax stamp and they're properly stored if they decide to do some kind of New York safe act, a part of this as well.
00:43:49.000And that's when they start trying to make everything in an NFA item.
00:43:54.000And I'm very careful in talking about any kind of, I'm very careful in talking about any kind of conflict because I don't like the.
00:44:01.000I don't like the mentality that we're all just red dawn characters or a bunch of gravy seals out there talking about how they're going to bust it up.