The Charlie Kirk Show - Two Different Conservative Paths Forward—In Depth with Dana Loesch

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00:03:45.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show with me and with us today is a friend of mine, Dana Lash.

00:03:50.000 Dana, welcome back.

00:03:52.000 Charlie, it's good to be with you.

00:03:53.000 Good to see you again.

00:03:54.000 How was it at our women's show?

00:03:56.000 Oh my gosh, it was amazing.

00:03:58.000 The room is, there's so much energy.

00:04:00.000 And it's really encouraging as like the older sister to look down and see so many young women. 0.99

00:04:05.000 And just, this is really encouraging because I just feel like with everything that things get so nasty and women, you know, I mean, you've seen it. 1.00

00:04:13.000 Women, particularly in politics, they deal with a lot of garbage. 0.85

00:04:16.000 And so it's nice to see so many women work like a conservative sisterhood. 1.00

00:04:21.000 And I called them Shield Maidens, and that's completely accurate. 1.00

00:04:24.000 That's awesome.

00:04:24.000 So it was nice to see.

00:04:25.000 It was great. 1.00

00:04:26.000 2,500 young women we have. 1.00

00:04:28.000 Oh my gosh, really?

00:04:29.000 Yeah, it's incredible.

00:04:30.000 And there's even more out there that weren't able to get in because of we need to add more seats.

00:04:30.000 It's insane.

00:04:35.000 And they're getting checked in and everything.

00:04:36.000 But you were a huge draw for them to be here.

00:04:39.000 And so I want to explore a couple of things with you.

00:04:42.000 So the conservative movement that I came into back in 2012, Andrew Breitbart.

00:04:47.000 Seems like so long ago, doesn't it?

00:04:48.000 It seems like a different world.

00:04:48.000 Right.

00:04:49.000 We had Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben.

00:04:51.000 The Redskins were called the Redskins.

00:04:52.000 Cleveland Indians weren't canceled. 1.00

00:04:54.000 Women were women. 1.00

00:04:55.000 Yes, that's right. 1.00

00:04:56.000 And we had a Democrat Party that at least part of it loved America.

00:04:59.000 Those were the days.

00:04:59.000 Yeah.

00:05:00.000 So, but I felt like back then, and I'd love your thought on this.

00:05:04.000 There was an overemphasis on libertarianism back in 2012 and 2013.

00:05:08.000 Do you think that that's the case?

00:05:09.000 Or do you think that it was a good thing that we kind of were these issues that are now kind of coming front and center, challenging corporate tyranny, rebuilding the American family?

00:05:21.000 Do you think that's a good thing for conservatives to be talking about?

00:05:23.000 Or do you think that we should be more kind of focused on the kind of Ron Paul energy that used to exist?

00:05:30.000 Ron Paul did have a lot of energy, didn't he?

00:05:33.000 Ron Paul is the opposite of a narcissist.

00:05:36.000 Every time he got a compliment, he's like, it's not about me.

00:05:39.000 It's about all of you.

00:05:40.000 It was like the Donald Trump movement before Donald Trump.

00:05:42.000 Yeah, it was, yeah, a lot of energy.

00:05:45.000 There were a lot of people.

00:05:46.000 There were a lot of people around that.

00:05:47.000 And I think that any kind of coalition needs, you need personalities like that and people who can really motivate and inspire and get people engaged.

00:05:54.000 I think every issue should be on the table.

00:05:56.000 We are in such, and maybe it doesn't seem like it, but I really think that for the first time in maybe perhaps my life, I don't know that I've ever seen such a coalition that has existed on the right like it does today.

00:06:10.000 The last election, there were more Hispanic Americans voting Republican than we've seen since, and black Americans voting Republican since what, Nixon?

00:06:19.000 Which is, it's amazing.

00:06:20.000 You have people who in 2016 loved the discussion of just immigration, of jobs, just the simple issues that appealed to them.

00:06:31.000 Because people can't pay their bills with pronouns.

00:06:33.000 They can't pay their bills with what bathroom should they use.

00:06:36.000 They can't pay their bills with any of that stuff.

00:06:38.000 And that's, you know, in 2016, that's when Trump really focused on that with his message.

00:06:44.000 And that's, I think, what started really pivoting a lot of people to rethink where they were politically.

00:06:49.000 And they left the Democrat Party.

00:06:51.000 They were assailed by the media.

00:06:53.000 These were people who dutifully voted for Barack Obama.

00:06:55.000 They dutifully voted for Clinton.

00:06:57.000 They dutifully supported every candidate that the Democrat Party threw to them.

00:07:01.000 But they were underserved and ignored for so much, so much, so many administrations.

00:07:06.000 And then they see somebody who's actually coming up.

00:07:09.000 And then because Trump was talking about it, a lot of other Republicans started modifying their messaging as well and really started focusing in and putting faces with these stories, putting like on immigration.

00:07:21.000 Instead of just talking about and giving crime statistics, you know, Trump brought out Jameel Shaw Sr., whose son was the star athlete and someone who had entered the country illegally and was a criminal and had a record.

00:07:32.000 And because this person wasn't deported, was able to be in the streets of Los Angeles and murder his star athlete son and with him his hopes and dreams.

00:07:40.000 And putting a face with those kind of stories and really having that messaging, that wide, I mean, that brought a lot of people, Charlie, you remember, it brought a lot of people to the Republican Party, to the right in general, lowercase L's, maybe even a couple of capital L libertarians.

00:07:54.000 But that coalition, it's tough to maintain it.

00:07:56.000 It's that 80-20 rule.

00:07:57.000 And that's going to be really, I think, the true test of the party.

00:08:01.000 And can that be maintained?

00:08:03.000 Can that coalition be maintained going forward?

00:08:06.000 And I think that's, you know, right now it is.

00:08:08.000 And I think everybody's, you know, it's between freedom and tyranny.

00:08:11.000 It's just as simple as that.

00:08:12.000 I mean, people are choosing freedom.

00:08:14.000 So walk me through what you think the conservative movement should stand for because there's a lot of different opinions on that, where it should be freedom or tyranny.

00:08:21.000 Well, so, so, okay, let me ask you, do you think we should challenge neoliberalism?

00:08:26.000 Like, do you think we should say it's a great thing to trade with China?

00:08:29.000 Like, this is the thing that we're wrestling with, right? 0.99

00:08:31.000 Should we say we want more people in our country?

00:08:34.000 Right.

00:08:35.000 This is something that I think is really interesting.

00:08:37.000 And for me personally, I've become quite honestly disgusted with neoliberalism and some of the Republicans that have run our party.

00:08:46.000 And because I think it's all just been a massive corporate scheme to get us to hate ourselves and not have children.

00:08:52.000 Isn't that like a spirit?

00:08:52.000 That's the thing, isn't it?

00:08:54.000 We're at this really interesting crossroads where conservatives, like with the instance of corporatism, conservatives traditionally haven't been brought up or encouraged to think of corporations in that way.

00:09:10.000 Whereas I think a lot of capital L libertarians have always viewed corporations that way, maybe some smaller L libertarians as well.

00:09:16.000 I don't trust anyone.

00:09:16.000 So I view everybody that way, but I'm a cynic.

00:09:18.000 So, you know, that's a whole different other thing.

00:09:22.000 But when you start seeing, well, because conservatives haven't traditionally been brought up to think like that, they find themselves now, we're all in this era where corporations, maybe they've acted like that before, but not at the extent that they have been acting like that now and not so blatantly.

00:09:41.000 I mean, you have social media companies where Twitter and Facebook, these are corporations that have been acting as agents of the state.

00:09:49.000 You have other corporations out there doing the same thing.

00:09:50.000 We have Operation Checkpoint where banks and other financial institutions, some of which have been helped with taxpayer money, some have not, have been acting as agents of the state in which they basically want to drum out firearm business.

00:10:01.000 Yeah, Operation Chokepoint, drum out firearm business, going after things like pawn shops, all that stuff.

00:10:06.000 So I do think that we are at the moment where I understand how people want to, because I almost can argue both sides of this, but I think in the past like couple of months, I finally have come to a position on it because at first I'm like, oh, I can't compromise the principle of not wanting to tell private business what to do.

00:10:22.000 I'm so far past that.

00:10:23.000 See, I know.

00:10:24.000 See, that's where I am so cautious in that.

00:10:26.000 And I keep putting the brakes on.

00:10:27.000 I keep because my first instance is to whip off a heel and just like go barbarian on somebody.

00:10:34.000 So and that's, and I'm like, okay, Dana, let's roll it back.

00:10:37.000 Let's bring it down.

00:10:39.000 Let's see, you know, let's just, let's ask all the questions and see, you know, is there a different way that we could maybe approach this?

00:10:44.000 And, but I, I, when they start acting as agents of the state, I think that they're assuming that liability.

00:10:50.000 I think that they're, they're assuming, they're inviting that, that sort of, that sort of treatment.

00:10:55.000 Um, and I know a lot of conservatives struggle with this, and I understand that because they're very hesitant, and they also don't want to be baited into inadvertently creating a new precedent that could ultimately come back and hurt them.

00:11:07.000 So I understand their caution.

00:11:08.000 They're not doing it to be contrarian.

00:11:10.000 I think that they've just, they're so shell-shocked that they don't know exactly how to remedy that problem.

00:11:16.000 But it is a problem like Section 230, all of this other stuff that we, you know, and not just with tech, but with, you know, I mean, just businesses in general.

00:11:25.000 So it is, it's a new realization for conservatism, if that makes sense.

00:11:30.000 Yes.

00:11:31.000 And I remember you called yourself a conservatarian before.

00:11:33.000 I've used that term as well.

00:11:35.000 But I think it's really interesting.

00:11:36.000 And I totally share this and I still have part of this is this caution and this restraint.

00:11:41.000 Like, I don't want to use government power because the, you know, the government's terrible.

00:11:45.000 And obviously we hate the government largely.

00:11:48.000 We hate the abuse of power.

00:11:48.000 I mean, outside the middle.

00:11:50.000 Yeah.

00:11:50.000 Anything outside of Article 1, Section 8, we don't like it.

00:11:52.000 Yeah.

00:11:52.000 So FTC, IRS, DEA, all of that, right?

00:11:55.000 Be totally abused, then it has been abused.

00:11:57.000 What I think has not existed, though, is what happens if Google's more powerful than your government?

00:12:03.000 What about then?

00:12:04.000 No one ever stopped to ask that question because they didn't think it was possible.

00:12:06.000 Right.

00:12:06.000 And because of technology and because of merger and acquisition culture in Silicon Valley, where they buy up their competitors, we're kind of there.

00:12:15.000 Like what we're seeing with BlackRock right now.

00:12:17.000 Well, so let's talk about that, right?

00:12:18.000 So some people on Twitter think it's perfectly fine for a company with $8 trillion in assets to go being single-family homes.

00:12:25.000 $9 trillion, I think.

00:12:26.000 Huh?

00:12:26.000 $9 trillion, I think.

00:12:27.000 I think that they should, I think it should be illegal.

00:12:29.000 Do they receive government?

00:12:31.000 Like, how close are they to the Federal Reserve?

00:12:33.000 Do they just get like a stream of, I think it's Jack Pasebik tweeted out.

00:12:37.000 I think they get some Fannie and Freddie.

00:12:39.000 Ah, see, that changes things.

00:12:41.000 And they also manage a lot of pension money.

00:12:44.000 But let's pretend they were just all a bunch of brilliant Wall Street people, which obviously is usually not the case.

00:12:49.000 Is it right to say like we want to create a renting culture?

00:12:53.000 So no one who shovels their driveway voted for Joe Biden.

00:12:58.000 No one who shovels their own snow voted for Joe Biden.

00:13:02.000 Like, go find me that person.

00:13:04.000 That almost contradicts with a lot of the, I mean, the idea to create that kind of society does almost, I mean, it kind of contradicts with the earlier sentiment in the Federalist Papers when the founders were arguing with each other about property ownership and taxation.

00:13:18.000 And that, I mean, anti-Federalists were right about a lot.

00:13:18.000 Totally.

00:13:21.000 And it brings up a lot of, brings up a lot of really big questions because I think when public money comes into it, that's a game changer.

00:13:28.000 I am, just to give you where I fall politically, I Republicans are too liberal for me.

00:13:35.000 I tend to vote Republican, but I am very, if it's not Article 1, Section 8, it should be abolished and done away with entirely.

00:13:44.000 So that would be a lot of things.

00:13:45.000 Oh, I totally agree.

00:13:47.000 And then everything else be determined by the state according to the state's constitution or how people want to amend it.

00:13:53.000 But everything has become too federal, too corporatized, too, too big.

00:13:59.000 Yeah, too big.

00:14:01.000 Society is becoming too big to fail.

00:14:03.000 I've come to the sad realization, we're never going to get rid of these departments.

00:14:06.000 And some people are like, oh, you're thinking too small.

00:14:09.000 No, we have to deal with what is.

00:14:12.000 And either we're going to use political power and public policy to preserve what matters, or we're going to be principled while we manage the decline of the greatest country ever.

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00:14:46.000 Court packing isn't some policy idea to improve our courts.

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00:15:42.000 What do you say to people who question whether or not we're getting baited into creating a precedent where that big government then can turn around and be used against us?

00:15:51.000 They might be right.

00:15:52.000 There's no other choice.

00:15:54.000 Wow.

00:15:55.000 That's where I always go right up to that line. 1.00

00:15:57.000 We need to pay people to have children. 0.89

00:15:59.000 Oh, no. 0.94

00:16:00.000 Absolutely.

00:16:00.000 No.

00:16:01.000 With what money?

00:16:02.000 Our money.

00:16:03.000 Public money?

00:16:04.000 No.

00:16:04.000 Of course.

00:16:06.000 We need to fix the declining birth rate. 1.00

00:16:08.000 We're bringing in Nicaraguans and Honduras. 1.00

00:16:08.000 No. 1.00

00:16:10.000 That's how you persuade people with...

00:16:12.000 Yo, no, no, you got to persuade people.

00:16:14.000 You need to subsidize what you like.

00:16:15.000 No, I don't believe that.

00:16:16.000 That's where I stopped.

00:16:18.000 Why?

00:16:18.000 Let's explore that.

00:16:19.000 Because I don't believe in the government getting involved in those kind of decisions.

00:16:23.000 Because it's for individuals to do.

00:16:25.000 Individuals to decide.

00:16:26.000 Free society.

00:16:27.000 We're appealing to a government to solve our problems, which is the antithesis of the conservative ethic.

00:16:32.000 No, that's libertarianism.

00:16:34.000 Conservatism makes clear calls of what's right and what's wrong.

00:16:37.000 Having children's good.

00:16:38.000 Having children's good.

00:16:39.000 But that doesn't necessarily mean, however, that you then can subsidize it with taxpayer dollars.

00:16:44.000 Because we subsidize all sorts of things.

00:16:46.000 Doesn't mean that it makes it okay.

00:16:47.000 We subsidize jail.

00:16:49.000 Doesn't mean that it, well, I mean, jail.

00:16:51.000 Well, state jail, that's a whole other issue, kind of.

00:16:54.000 But just because it's, just because they subsidize some things doesn't mean that everything should be subsidized.

00:16:59.000 Because maybe some of those things shouldn't be subsidized.

00:17:01.000 What's more important than like...

00:17:02.000 What's more important than free will?

00:17:04.000 I'm not saying you should be forced to have children.

00:17:06.000 No, but you should force other people to pay for them. 0.97

00:17:08.000 That's what it's doing with public money.

00:17:10.000 Well, if you're part of a society, you have to replicate.

00:17:12.000 No, that's not exactly what the social contract is.

00:17:14.000 Whose social contract?

00:17:15.000 Rousseau's, Hobbes, or Locke's?

00:17:17.000 No, that's, I mean...

00:17:18.000 Which one do you believe in?

00:17:21.000 I think all of them are at some point.

00:17:23.000 I think there's a little bit of socialism at all in some point of it.

00:17:25.000 I think people should be a free society, like two steps above anarchy, free society.

00:17:30.000 Wow.

00:17:31.000 That's libertarianism.

00:17:32.000 Article 1, Section 8, and then everything else.

00:17:35.000 That's why I don't like subsidization of the, you know, too big to fail, big banks, housing, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and then to pay people to have kids. 0.81

00:17:43.000 That's what Russia does now. 0.93

00:17:45.000 It's awesome. 0.99

00:17:46.000 That's what Hungary does. 0.94

00:17:47.000 Hungary has reversed their declining birthright. 0.77

00:17:49.000 And they're also Eastern bloc countries with Eastern Bloc mentality.

00:17:54.000 What's wrong with people? 0.77

00:17:55.000 They believe in the family.

00:17:56.000 There's no buildings higher than the church.

00:17:58.000 They have a declining birthday.

00:18:00.000 They also have breadlines.

00:18:01.000 They have breadlines.

00:18:06.000 What are you talking about?

00:18:08.000 This is Russia. 0.54

00:18:09.000 Russia pays people to have kids and have females.

00:18:12.000 Yeah, they love their people.

00:18:13.000 Yeah, I don't, I think that there's better ways to show that than to.

00:18:16.000 No, but like, this is an interesting conversation.

00:18:18.000 It's like, if something's going wrong, should we do something about it?

00:18:22.000 Like, we have a population collapse.

00:18:24.000 Right.

00:18:24.000 500,000 less American-born children this year than last year.

00:18:27.000 We were.

00:18:27.000 We went from barely maintaining our population rate to I think now we're like, what, one, we're like below it now.

00:18:33.000 Yes.

00:18:33.000 And it's that, that is, I was trying to remember how much below, I just talked about this last week.

00:18:38.000 We were about 15, 20 years ago maintaining.

00:18:42.000 That's changed.

00:18:43.000 Now, how quickly that's going to continue to decline. 1.00

00:18:46.000 Pakistan, though, they're maintaining and more. 1.00

00:18:50.000 Yeah. 0.80

00:18:51.000 They also have a different, whole different view.

00:18:54.000 Yeah.

00:18:55.000 Just kind of social commentary, though, from my opinion.

00:18:57.000 Is not is not adequate.

00:18:57.000 Right.

00:18:59.000 We have to use political power to do good things, like having lots of children.

00:19:04.000 I don't know if I agree with using that kind of, because it's not political power seems to be a misnomer.

00:19:08.000 It's still government power, isn't it?

00:19:10.000 Yeah, but the people gave it.

00:19:11.000 We didn't take it.

00:19:11.000 We didn't like stage a coup.

00:19:12.000 People voted for us to have that power.

00:19:14.000 Yeah, but just because you're not.

00:19:16.000 It's consent of the government.

00:19:17.000 They gave us power.

00:19:18.000 They said, please fix my country.

00:19:20.000 With limitations.

00:19:21.000 I mean, it's not unconstitutional pay people to have children.

00:19:21.000 Of course, though.

00:19:26.000 Well, I don't know if I would agree to that.

00:19:28.000 Well, why wouldn't it be?

00:19:30.000 Because that's, well, I think taxation, if it's coming from public money, taxation is theft.

00:19:34.000 I think that's unconstitutional, first and foremost.

00:19:36.000 So if you're talking about taking public money, I agree with that in principle, but outside of the abstraction.

00:19:41.000 It's not an abstraction, though.

00:19:42.000 That's totally funded.

00:19:43.000 You have to fund the government within its means.

00:19:45.000 Article 1, Section 8, things that are, you know, your interstate highways, et cetera, et cetera.

00:19:50.000 All of the minutiae.

00:19:51.000 Talkboard politics.

00:19:52.000 Like we live.

00:19:53.000 No, that's the Constitution.

00:19:54.000 I know, but we live in big government.

00:19:55.000 It's here.

00:19:56.000 I don't like it.

00:19:58.000 I'm not going to get acclimated to it.

00:19:59.000 Okay.

00:20:00.000 So, like, it's either we're going to fix the declining birth rate or not.

00:20:03.000 Well, it's more than the declining birth rate.

00:20:04.000 I'm just using that as an example.

00:20:05.000 No, I know, I know.

00:20:06.000 But I'm not going to be acclimated to having the government.

00:20:10.000 I can't ever, I don't like it.

00:20:12.000 And maybe, I mean, yes, we were born in it already.

00:20:12.000 I can't.

00:20:15.000 We were born into crony capitalism.

00:20:16.000 We don't even have a pure capitalist system.

00:20:19.000 But I think doing using the government in ways that are antithetical to our limited government beliefs, because that's what we're expanding government.

00:20:29.000 Like the moon project, that was good, right?

00:20:31.000 Yeah, but tungsten don't make a right.

00:20:33.000 But like going to the moon, that was cool.

00:20:35.000 Going to the moon could be argued as something that's defense.

00:20:38.000 So it's defense to have more children.

00:20:38.000 Okay.

00:20:40.000 So we don't have to bring in Elon Omar to our country. 0.99

00:20:44.000 If we had American-born children, we'd have Somalis in our country. 1.00

00:20:47.000 There's nothing wrong with bringing other people into the country either. 1.00

00:20:50.000 Why?

00:20:50.000 What are you talking about?

00:20:50.000 I mean, an illegal process and based on a meritocracy.

00:20:54.000 I used to believe that.

00:20:55.000 You used to.

00:20:55.000 When did you stop believing that?

00:20:56.000 What changed?

00:20:57.000 When I started to see the real motivation behind mass migration.

00:21:01.000 Like, for example, I don't think it's a good thing that Elon Omar's here.

00:21:04.000 So you mean you don't believe Joe Biden when he told American troops that it's climate change that's driving.

00:21:12.000 I think it's corporate oligarchy that wants cheap labor and the Democrats want cheap votes.

00:21:16.000 Right. 0.93

00:21:17.000 And then so they want a lot of idle time for it.

00:21:19.000 There's Republicans in there, too.

00:21:20.000 Oh, of course.

00:21:21.000 Lindsey Graham and like Mitt Romney.

00:21:23.000 Like, I don't think it's a good thing that Elon Omar is here.

00:21:26.000 I would rather have American families have like 10 kids per family and we subsidize that than being like, you know what?

00:21:32.000 Let's go bring in another. 0.59

00:21:34.000 Yeah, that's just welfare to me, though, to subsidize families.

00:21:37.000 It's just another formula.

00:21:38.000 Okay, so you would get rid of the earned income tax credit.

00:21:41.000 I would get rid of taxes.

00:21:43.000 Okay, but I'd get rid of the IRS.

00:21:45.000 I get rid of all of it.

00:21:46.000 Graduated sales tax.

00:21:47.000 Right.

00:21:47.000 Article 1, Section 8 expenditures.

00:21:49.000 But like here we are.

00:21:50.000 Here's like a very simple, like that's abstractionist.

00:21:52.000 It's not going to happen.

00:21:53.000 No, that's that concrete.

00:21:55.000 Welfare, the kind of like paying for people to have families.

00:21:58.000 Who knows at this point?

00:21:59.000 Okay.

00:22:00.000 Honestly, I mean, everything is so crazy.

00:22:02.000 I mean, if you told me that Joe Biden was going to be president like 10 years ago, I would have said you're on crack.

00:22:07.000 And I probably agree with you on all those principles, but I'm also looking at this beautiful republic.

00:22:12.000 Right.

00:22:13.000 And there's like five things that we can do to actually fix it.

00:22:16.000 And this is a really interesting conversation.

00:22:17.000 The biggest thing is people can show up to vote.

00:22:20.000 Some are.

00:22:20.000 Some aren't.

00:22:21.000 Most people don't.

00:22:22.000 There's huge significant percentages of Republicans that don't show up to vote.

00:22:25.000 That's right.

00:22:26.000 I agree.

00:22:27.000 That, to me, is the travesty.

00:22:29.000 That's a huge travesty because we're talking about changing things where if people were motivated enough to vote and they went out like for, I mean, I looked for in Georgia when they had the special election and I get it that you have people like Lynn Wood down there who was saying, oh, it's vote.

00:22:41.000 I totally agree with you.

00:22:42.000 I mean, Trump is like, go vote, go vote, go vote.

00:22:45.000 And Lynn Wood's saying the opposite, going down there and holding these rallies.

00:22:48.000 And I can't remember what number her district is.

00:22:50.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene's district, the turnout was so low.

00:22:53.000 It's northern Georgia.

00:22:55.000 Low.

00:22:55.000 So low.

00:22:56.000 There were 600,000 white male rural voters that didn't show up.

00:23:00.000 I wonder who they're going to vote for.

00:23:01.000 Probably not Raphael Warnock.

00:23:02.000 No.

00:23:02.000 No, I would probably.

00:23:04.000 But they didn't show up to vote.

00:23:05.000 They didn't show up to vote in a special election that decided who's going to be setting the calendar for the Senate.

00:23:09.000 That's decided who's going to.

00:23:10.000 And it was just like, you have all these people out here that are talking about things that they could do, and they can't be prevailed upon to do one of the most simplest things.

00:23:16.000 But then there's for all of the ways to figure out how to save the Republic.

00:23:20.000 That's one of the most basic things.

00:23:21.000 It's one of the most basic ways to start.

00:23:23.000 A lot of people are completely divorced from civic engagement, period.

00:23:28.000 They're divorced from civic participation.

00:23:30.000 They're divorced from even having any kind of involvement in their school board elections.

00:23:34.000 And the town where we live in, for instance, municipal elections, I don't, I think there was a record number of people that came out to vote, and still it was only like 60-something percent of people who came out to vote, which floors me that that's a record number when you could have 100% of people come out to vote.

00:23:48.000 And we ended up taking back the school board.

00:23:50.000 was a big OCRT fight by over by a little over 70%.

00:23:54.000 And that's when people, when conservatives, when limited government people engage, we win every time, not just some of the time, every single time.

00:24:04.000 I have never seen an election fight where we lose when we are all in and we are engaged.

00:24:09.000 But the problem is, is I think that some people think it's one and done.

00:24:13.000 Or they're like, okay, we got our guy in, our job's done, or we did it, we cast our vote, our job's done.

00:24:19.000 Freedom requires so much more from people than that.

00:24:22.000 So much more from people than that.

00:24:23.000 But they get lazy and then they want to outsource.

00:24:25.000 Conservatives will outsource activism, just like progressives will outsource responsibility to the government.

00:24:31.000 Yes.

00:24:32.000 So how do you think we fix that?

00:24:35.000 Well, that's a great point.

00:24:36.000 You're always going to have some people who are not going to want to get involved.

00:24:39.000 This is the nature of humanity.

00:24:40.000 You're going to have those people.

00:24:41.000 But I think really pressing upon them and telling them this is when, I mean, actually telling the stories.

00:24:48.000 Don't just get, you know, don't just give them the statistics.

00:24:51.000 Tell them the stories.

00:24:52.000 Like these are, you know, a mom in my town who decided she wanted to stand up, a Cuban immigrant family who created businesses and they love America more than any white progressive I've ever seen who get out there and they wanted to speak out against indoctrinated racism that is CRT.

00:25:08.000 They get out, they engage, they run for seats and they win.

00:25:12.000 And to tell those stories to inspire people to get engaged and to be willing to risk it because liberty is not supposed to be comfortable and it doesn't guarantee happiness.

00:25:20.000 You've got to provide that for yourself.

00:25:22.000 You just have the opportunity.

00:25:23.000 That's all liberty is, is opportunity.

00:25:25.000 You have to make it.

00:25:26.000 It's not a comfortable existence.

00:25:28.000 That's why I'm like, I don't want to pay people to have families in the United States because if you want a republic, then you have to keep it.

00:25:34.000 It's not the government's responsibility.

00:25:36.000 And it's un-American to outsource any of our civic participation, our engagement, or our advocacy to anybody else but ourselves.

00:25:42.000 How would you define liberty?

00:25:45.000 That's a good question.

00:25:46.000 I think just freedom to freedom to take advantage of opportunity or create opportunity, freedom to pursue, nothing's guaranteed.

00:25:57.000 That means assume risk also.

00:26:00.000 And responsibility.

00:26:01.000 And responsibility.

00:26:01.000 It's a double-edged sword because not everybody makes the right decision.

00:26:04.000 Do you think a nation that has large families and has a declining divorce rate is more or less likely to want to preserve liberty?

00:26:12.000 Probably less likely.

00:26:14.000 Less likely?

00:26:15.000 You think large families may...

00:26:16.000 Or no, I meant like countries with...

00:26:19.000 Yeah, so like, for example, if we had a declining divorce rate and we had more children, do you think that kind of a nation would want to preserve liberty more?

00:26:24.000 Well, probably more than the ones with the age of 15.

00:26:27.000 So we should do the thing that makes liberty more sustainable.

00:26:31.000 But that doesn't mean we use government.

00:26:32.000 Why wouldn't we?

00:26:33.000 If it's a way to get it done, it's been, we have proven that certain government policies can have a certain output.

00:26:39.000 Like we built an interstate system.

00:26:40.000 It's kind of cool.

00:26:41.000 Yeah, but that's something that's actually protected by the Constitution.

00:26:43.000 That's actually literally listed in the numerator powers for you can work on interstate roadways, but there's certain things that you can't do.

00:26:50.000 Provide for the general welfare.

00:26:52.000 How about that?

00:26:52.000 No, not with my tax money.

00:26:55.000 It's welfare.

00:26:56.000 It's just welfare.

00:26:57.000 It's an awful lot of people.

00:26:59.000 Provide for the general welfare is literally in the constitution.

00:27:01.000 No, paying people to have kids is grifting.

00:27:03.000 It's welfare.

00:27:04.000 We already earned income tax. 0.98

00:27:06.000 We already do that.

00:27:08.000 But that doesn't mean that you just add on to it.

00:27:10.000 Just because.

00:27:10.000 But if it works, then do more.

00:27:12.000 How does it work, though?

00:27:13.000 Really?

00:27:13.000 The earned income tax credit works?

00:27:15.000 That's why we have such a declining birth rate.

00:27:16.000 Well, it's not nearly enough.

00:27:18.000 We should give people like $10,000 a year per kid.

00:27:20.000 Why not give them $1 million per kid?

00:27:22.000 $20,000.

00:27:22.000 This sounds like the same argument about minimum wage.

00:27:24.000 No, you know why this is different?

00:27:26.000 Why?

00:27:26.000 Because the moral good for a society is children.

00:27:29.000 Some things are better than others.

00:27:31.000 There's a hierarchy of the good.

00:27:32.000 We should be unafraid to say some things are true and some things are untrue.

00:27:35.000 Children are great, but not paying people to have children.

00:27:39.000 But if children are great and a society exists with it and be a good person.

00:27:42.000 But then if you're paying people to have kids, you're going to have people who have kids that are not going to want to take care of them.

00:27:46.000 Then what happens?

00:27:47.000 You have society that hopefully steps up.

00:27:49.000 You're always going to have external.

00:27:50.000 So it's like it turns into this like weird Orwellian movie.

00:27:55.000 It's already going there.

00:27:56.000 You look at Victor Orban in Hungary.

00:27:58.000 They have a declining divorce rate.

00:28:00.000 Every study shows they're happier and they have more children per capita than ever before. 1.00

00:28:04.000 And they don't have to bring in Middle Eastern labor to get their jobs done. 0.95

00:28:06.000 Well, good for them. 1.00

00:28:07.000 We should replicate that.

00:28:09.000 Not with our government, though.

00:28:11.000 You're right, our government.

00:28:12.000 So anyway, it's a good discussion because I don't want to sit idly by while I'm like, you know what?

00:28:17.000 We have this political power that people gave us, but I'm not going to do something because I'm afraid that that power will be abused.

00:28:22.000 That just seems so opposite.

00:28:25.000 I look at it as I don't want to do something if it's in a contradiction to my principle.

00:28:29.000 That's how I do it.

00:28:30.000 But why have the principle if the nation will crumble while you stand on that principle?

00:28:34.000 Then that's my penalty for not being a good enough advocate.

00:28:37.000 Okay.

00:28:37.000 Well, that's where you and I differ.

00:28:41.000 That's the beauty of freedom.

00:28:42.000 It's a double-edged sword because it guarantees that you can pursue opportunity, but at the same time, not everyone makes the same choices as you.

00:28:50.000 No, of course.

00:28:51.000 And a lot of people are incompatible with liberty.

00:28:54.000 Not everybody wants to assume the responsibility of it.

00:28:56.000 So do you think liberty is sustainable?

00:28:58.000 I do think it's sustainable.

00:28:59.000 How?

00:29:01.000 You might be right.

00:29:02.000 No, I think it's sustainable, but I think it also has to be, people have to be raised to be self-sufficient.

00:29:06.000 That's why self-sufficiency and virtue were so prized and discussed by the founders.

00:29:10.000 I mean, it's because in order to have a virtuous government, you have to have a virtuous people.

00:29:16.000 You can't have a bunch of, you know, criminals and think that you're going to get from these people virtuous representations that are going to run your government well.

00:29:23.000 That's not going to happen.

00:29:24.000 So virtue and responsibility and self-sufficiency, these are absolutely crucial to maintaining liberty.

00:29:30.000 So those, I agree.

00:29:31.000 So you think the state should take no stance in trying to foster those things?

00:29:36.000 I don't think it's the state's responsibility.

00:29:37.000 I think when the state has to step in, I think that's when people in the church have failed.

00:29:41.000 I think we're there for sure.

00:29:43.000 Oh, I think that I, well, I have my, I have my criticisms with how certain pastors have been focusing maybe a little bit too much on the plaid shirts and the worship service.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, and all the songs sound like Hillsong stuff.

00:29:57.000 Yes.

00:29:57.000 Yeah, I could sit here.

00:29:59.000 There's like a fun song that's going around on the internet where it's just like they it's it sounds like it literally I thought it was a hillsong song and then I was listening to the lyrics and I'm like, oh my gosh, they're making fun of this kind.

00:30:08.000 Okay, I see.

00:30:09.000 It's like soulless.

00:30:10.000 It's like, gosh, what is that phrase?

00:30:14.000 It's like soulless blues.

00:30:15.000 I don't know.

00:30:15.000 It's kind of, it kind of sounds like that a little bit.

00:30:18.000 But no, it is.

00:30:20.000 I've always thought that, and I actually talked about this today, because Marxism can't continue without selfishness and without the vices of humanity.

00:30:29.000 That's what it survives on.

00:30:31.000 And that stuff comes into being when people, they don't understand, like in the Gospels, it's always like stewardship is voluntary and it's voluntary for the edification of the spirit.

00:30:41.000 And you were called to that.

00:30:42.000 God gives free will wherein tyrants don't.

00:30:44.000 And that's the one thing I'm like, if God's not going to, if God's not going to give it, then why am I going to advocate for it?

00:30:50.000 You know, if he's not going to sit here and deny someone free will, why would I deny someone free will by way of where other their tax dollars would go or et cetera?

00:30:57.000 And just because my government doesn't operate like that right now doesn't mean I still don't want those things.

00:31:02.000 But when it comes to the church and when it comes to the family, I really think that a lot of pastors out there have their, I understand they want to win souls.

00:31:11.000 I get that.

00:31:11.000 Some of them want to win souls.

00:31:13.000 Some of them want to live in big houses and sell a lot of books and be that kind of pastor.

00:31:17.000 You know, I mean, let's be real.

00:31:18.000 Trust me, I've been very vocal.

00:31:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:21.000 And it's really when people fail to be good voluntary stewards for edification of the spirit, that's when this other stuff is allowed to move in.

00:31:30.000 Because if you're not going to be a good steward, if you're not going to be that person, you know, the good Samaritan, then there's going to be something that is going to move in and use that as leverage to do it for you.

00:31:41.000 And so that's where, I mean, honestly, that's what I think it is.

00:31:44.000 It's almost like punishment for not being a good steward voluntarily.

00:31:49.000 Did you ever read the fine print that appears when you start browsing in incognito mode?

00:31:53.000 It says that your activity might still be visible to your employer, your school, or your internet service provider.

00:31:58.000 How can they even call it incognito?

00:32:00.000 To really stop these people from seeing the sites you visit, you need to do what I do and use ExpressVPN.

00:32:05.000 Think about all the times you've used the Wi-Fi at a coffee shop, a hotel, or even at your parents' home.

00:32:10.000 Without ExpressVPN, every single site you visit could be logged by the admin of that network.

00:32:16.000 And that's still true when you're in incognito mode.

00:32:18.000 What's more is your home internet provider, I'm talking about Comcast, ATT, or whatever, can also see and record your browsing data.

00:32:25.000 ExpressVPN is an application, it's an app that encrypts all of your network data and reroutes it through a network of secure servers that your private online activity says just that: private.

00:32:36.000 ExpressVPN works on all of your devices and it's super easy to use.

00:32:40.000 So stop letting strangers invade your online privacy.

00:32:43.000 Protect yourself at expressvpn.com/slash Charlie.

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00:32:57.000 So the church is totally unengaged.

00:33:00.000 Hopefully, we can change that.

00:33:01.000 Yes, we need to change that.

00:33:03.000 Do you think that this is a very interesting question?

00:33:06.000 Do you think that you can be a conservative while being an atheist?

00:33:11.000 I think that conservatism is not a religious principle.

00:33:15.000 I think it's a practice of, I think that I think it's a practice of limited government and it's a practice of, I think you can still have, you know, a good moral standing.

00:33:25.000 But I do think at some point, if it's not rooted in anything, how secure is it?

00:33:33.000 How secure is your virtue?

00:33:34.000 What is it rooted in?

00:33:35.000 Totally.

00:33:36.000 That's where I have questions.

00:33:39.000 I completely agree.

00:33:40.000 And not passing judgment, but I have questions.

00:33:43.000 I think that if anyone wants to call themselves a conservative, that can agree to these things.

00:33:46.000 Right.

00:33:47.000 But I think a transcendent order is fundamental to conservatism.

00:33:50.000 Well, where does virtue come from?

00:33:51.000 What is it rooted in?

00:33:53.000 Exactly.

00:33:53.000 So it's like, how are you able to make, you know, how are people able to make the determinations if they don't have that grounding?

00:33:59.000 And that's how do you know a line is crooked unless you have a straight line to compare?

00:34:03.000 Exactly.

00:34:04.000 So this is awesome.

00:34:05.000 I really enjoyed this, actually, because this is really what's kind of going on in the conservative movement.

00:34:09.000 It is.

00:34:09.000 And I haven't come here lightly.

00:34:10.000 I'm just, I'm at a place where I see this beautiful gift we've been given by God, this country, decline and crumble.

00:34:18.000 I see a couple things that could, I believe, could be done that could help.

00:34:20.000 And who knows?

00:34:21.000 It might actually be absolutely terrible.

00:34:23.000 But I'm not kind of going to just sit idly by and like just win the argument, lose the country.

00:34:27.000 But at least you want to propose ideas and have discussions.

00:34:30.000 Well, you're super provocative about those ideas.

00:34:32.000 But people need to have conversations and they're afraid to have provocative conversations.

00:34:36.000 And have you noticed, I mean, even playing devil's advocate isn't allowed in conversation anymore.

00:34:40.000 People want to assume the absolute worst intent of what someone says, as they want to use that as an argument as opposed to having any kind of intellectual argument themselves.

00:34:49.000 So I've become more libertarian on one issue, which is guns.

00:34:53.000 And I think you and I agree on this.

00:34:55.000 There's an awful nominee up for HPC.

00:34:58.000 David Chipman.

00:34:58.000 Just rant on this.

00:35:00.000 Oh, David Chipman's a bad guy.

00:35:02.000 I'm not a fan of David Chipman.

00:35:03.000 David Chipman looks like a kind of guy who's never had to draw down on anyone.

00:35:06.000 David Chipman looks like a guy who's never had to do any kind of drill ever.

00:35:09.000 I mean, David Chipman looks like his reflexes are about as slow as your grandma.

00:35:12.000 I mean, that's who David Chipman is.

00:35:13.000 David Chipman has more passion for going after law-abiding gun owners than he has to actually understand firearm and firearm law.

00:35:20.000 And I can say that confidently.

00:35:21.000 I've read so many things that he's written.

00:35:23.000 I think I've watched every single interview that he's given.

00:35:25.000 I watched every single second of every bit of testimony that he has given in front of in front of Cindy Judiciary.

00:35:32.000 I've looked at all of this. 0.97

00:35:33.000 This guy is, he's a tyrant. 0.93

00:35:36.000 He is a blue and on conspiracy theorist tyrant. 0.94

00:35:40.000 That's exactly who this guy is.

00:35:42.000 This guy was, he wasn't at Waco.

00:35:45.000 He came in after.

00:35:45.000 He was a Waco agent.

00:35:47.000 He was a case agent.

00:35:48.000 For no reason.

00:35:49.000 It's like saying, you know, I ran Lehman Brothers.

00:35:52.000 Hire me to work on the.

00:35:53.000 Oh, no, that's the one thing that gun control activists will try to use.

00:35:57.000 If you bring that up, they're like, well, he wasn't, excuse me, Charlie, he wasn't at Waco.

00:36:01.000 Well, at least we agree now that Waco was a mistake.

00:36:03.000 It took us like 20 years, right?

00:36:05.000 Am I right, Chris?

00:36:06.000 Why did it take 20 years for people to think that it was?

00:36:08.000 Honestly, Netflix.

00:36:10.000 Really?

00:36:11.000 Yes, I'm telling you.

00:36:12.000 Am I right, Brian?

00:36:15.000 It was everyone can see now that Janet Reno, the whole gang, they totally went after David Koresh with way too much militaristic power.

00:36:23.000 Oh, I'm not a David Koresh apologist.

00:36:25.000 Probably was doing some.

00:36:26.000 I have a funny story about that.

00:36:27.000 Oh, you have to tell me.

00:36:28.000 So I have, I like to go to weird places.

00:36:32.000 And so this is like probably, this is such a weird story.

00:36:36.000 So it started, we were at Ted Nugent's.

00:36:38.000 He doesn't, he, he lives in around Waco.

00:36:40.000 We were at Ted Nugent's house and eating some venison.

00:36:43.000 You know, we were eating some venison sausage.

00:36:45.000 He chilled with his hands.

00:36:46.000 He actually did, yeah.

00:36:48.000 And we, well, maybe not with his hands, but he totally like, you know, feel dressed and all that stuff.

00:36:52.000 And then Simain fried it up.

00:36:54.000 And we were shooting guns, blowing stuff up.

00:36:56.000 And we were leaving.

00:36:57.000 And I'm like, you know what? 0.97

00:36:59.000 We're actually not that far from the Branch Davidian compound was. 0.85

00:37:05.000 And I'm like, let's start. 0.83

00:37:07.000 I watched so much of this as a kid on television.

00:37:09.000 I just, I want to see it.

00:37:11.000 You know, it's like for the same reason that people drive by the, you know, the JPC.

00:37:18.000 And because it's weird how reality diminishes a place to where it looks so much smaller and so much more attainable than when you're younger and you're watching it on TV where it looks huge and crazy.

00:37:29.000 And so we went there and I was with some show folks and when I was at the Blaze.

00:37:35.000 And so we drove there and it was, it was so, I mean, beautiful country.

00:37:38.000 Drive down this quaint little gravel road, beautiful, beautiful Texas Hill Country fields on either side.

00:37:44.000 And you come up to this very nondescript fence.

00:37:46.000 And if you had not known what had happened there all these years ago, you would just think that this is just like really pretty ranch property.

00:37:52.000 Well, they have like a memorial there and there were, I mean, they still have the old burned out shell of the compound that was there and there were a couple of trailers that were there.

00:37:59.000 So we were out of the car and we were just kind of looking at it.

00:38:02.000 And I had a ton of guns in my car, tons of guns.

00:38:05.000 I had like two guns on me, knife, K-bar, everything.

00:38:09.000 And we are there looking at stuff and this other, this other car drives up.

00:38:16.000 Oh my gosh, the cult is still there.

00:38:18.000 And that's how we learned that.

00:38:20.000 And there was like the head cult guy.

00:38:22.000 I don't know.

00:38:23.000 Do you call them pastor, preachers, priests?

00:38:25.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:38:25.000 Koresh's like heir. 0.99

00:38:27.000 No. 0.55

00:38:27.000 So this guy was the guy that Koresh ran off when they got into the big fight and over like their doctrinal cult stuff. 0.55

00:38:34.000 I don't even know what was different.

00:38:35.000 And he ended up coming back.

00:38:37.000 And so he lived there in this trailer.

00:38:40.000 And it was so weird.

00:38:42.000 So he comes up and they'd find like a different piece of property.

00:38:45.000 You would think.

00:38:46.000 But it is really pretty country out there.

00:38:48.000 And so about this time, one of the guys that we were with is this older gentleman.

00:38:52.000 He's like, you know, probably old enough to be our dad's.

00:38:54.000 And he got real weird.

00:38:56.000 And he's like, oh man, I was here when this happened.

00:38:58.000 And we're like, what?

00:38:59.000 And he was like, yeah, I was in that tree over there and I could feel the heat from the fire.

00:39:02.000 And I'm like, why didn't you tell us this sooner?

00:39:04.000 Maybe before we came here and, you know, you had to relive this.

00:39:07.000 This is crazy.

00:39:08.000 So yeah, the cult guy came and wanted to convert us and it didn't happen.

00:39:12.000 You didn't join the branch division?

00:39:13.000 No, I didn't.

00:39:14.000 But I'm like, man, if anybody wanted to get froggy, I have so much ammo and so many guns in my car.

00:39:19.000 I will say they do respect Second Amendment rights.

00:39:24.000 But it was, I mean, well, and they weren't actually, nobody ever actually got them on the charges that they had, that they were.

00:39:30.000 Not even close.

00:39:31.000 No.

00:39:31.000 And so a lot of young people are listening to us.

00:39:33.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:39:34.000 Waco, Baylor, Barris.

00:39:35.000 No, no, no.

00:39:35.000 Waco was an incident.

00:39:37.000 Yes.

00:39:38.000 You want to tell the story?

00:39:39.000 So what ended up happening is that there, because everybody focuses on there were charges of child molestation, child abuse that were never actually substantiated according to a congressional report.

00:39:49.000 And I mean, I have kids.

00:39:50.000 I love kids. 1.00

00:39:51.000 I will murder with my bare hands a child abuser. 1.00

00:39:54.000 I will do it unprovoked. 1.00

00:39:55.000 If you're a child abuser, I'll murder you to death. 1.00

00:39:58.000 I don't care. 1.00

00:39:59.000 And I'll gladly serve the time for it.

00:40:01.000 So that's my thought.

00:40:04.000 So what ended up happening is how all of this began was they thought that they were basically illegally manufacturing firearms and they were receiving like lowers and just like basic, you know, like gun kits like other, you know, everybody else does.

00:40:16.000 And so the accusation was that they were involved in illegal weapons manufacturing.

00:40:21.000 And instead of waiting for David Koresh to, you know, go out, he went to the post office multiple times a week.

00:40:28.000 He was out around Waco, according to every single person who lived in Waco.

00:40:32.000 He was out and about regularly.

00:40:34.000 So if they suspected the guy, and I'm sure he was a weirdo, and I'm sure he probably wasn't the best dude. 0.67

00:40:38.000 I mean, I'm just going on, you know, the fact that he was a weirdo and a cult.

00:40:43.000 But they could have served that warrant on him at any point. 0.75

00:40:45.000 They didn't actually have to go and blow up a whole building and kill 25 kids.

00:40:49.000 After a siege.

00:40:50.000 Yeah, after a siege.

00:40:51.000 They could have easily have served him when he was out and about because they knew he was walking around because they had him under surveillance.

00:40:58.000 So they knew because they were seeing him with their own agents that were surveilling him.

00:41:04.000 They could have served and they could have arrested him.

00:41:06.000 None of this could have been avoided.

00:41:08.000 But what was the, the operation was called showtime.

00:41:11.000 And you can't have, I mean, just, you know, why would you call it showtime unless you wanted to have this big display of power and authority on television?

00:41:18.000 And they had the whole thing filmed.

00:41:19.000 It was like the ATF and the DOJ and the FBI and Janet Reno is running the whole thing.

00:41:24.000 And this guy now, David Chipman, wants to go be able to confiscate all of our guns.

00:41:29.000 No, he wants to, yeah, he wants to turn everything into an NFA item and basically put, which would put all of us under a registry.

00:41:34.000 We'd have to pay $200 per firearm just to ask the government to own a piece of private property that we're legally able to purchase and legally able to own.

00:41:43.000 And it's a legal item.

00:41:44.000 And that's where they're going, right, Dana?

00:41:46.000 That's what he wants to do.

00:41:46.000 Ammunition.

00:41:47.000 The ownership of it, not the ownership of the gun, but they want to tax the gun.

00:41:51.000 They want to make it impossible to own ammunition.

00:41:52.000 Put it on a registry so they know everything that you have.

00:41:55.000 And here's the other thing.

00:41:57.000 Because regular average everyday people can't actually access the NICS system.

00:42:02.000 So that's one of the, they want to expand the NICS system.

00:42:06.000 They want to put make everything as an NFA item, meaning National Firearms Act.

00:42:10.000 That's the National Firearms Act of the 40s.

00:42:12.000 You had the Gun Control Act, which was in 68.

00:42:14.000 And then you had the Brady Act, which is, which was in the 90s.

00:42:16.000 And so the NFA item, that was the thing that originally covered machine guns.

00:42:19.000 And that was after the Valentine's Day massacre, when it was mafia stuff, et cetera, et cetera.

00:42:23.000 1936 or something.

00:42:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:25.000 It's like, it's like old time stuff.

00:42:27.000 And so by making everything an NFA item, like if you wanted a suppressor, which is stupid that that's an NFA item, you got to get your tax stamp. 0.81

00:42:33.000 You got to do all that stuff.

00:42:35.000 If you want, you know, an SBR short-barreled rifle, you know, something that's select fire, three-round burst or full auto.

00:42:40.000 I mean, these are all things that are considered NFA items.

00:42:43.000 And so he wants to take something like, you know, an AR-15.

00:42:45.000 He wants to take something like, you know, a 22LR.

00:42:48.000 He wants to basically, that's why I keep saying the AR-15 is just the avatar for all semi-automatic firearms, because for most of these gun control activists, that's the easy thing for them to remember.

00:42:57.000 They don't really have to know much about it.

00:42:59.000 It's one of the most least used things in crime, FBI, UCRs.

00:43:04.000 I mean, all the data is out there on the internet where it's so hard to find, apparently.

00:43:07.000 But that's the goal.

00:43:08.000 The goal is to make everything be discoverable by the government.

00:43:12.000 In order to be an NFA item, depending on how people would be licensed, you may be opening yourself up to inspections of your home by the government to determine whether or not your NFA items, they're properly licensed that you have your tax stamp and they're properly stored if they decide to do some kind of New York safe act, a part of this as well.

00:43:31.000 I mean, who knows?

00:43:31.000 But these are all things that David Chipman has talked about.

00:43:34.000 So when they say that they're coming for your guns, like Beta War Works said, he, I mean, he's such a stupid man, but he was being honest. 0.99

00:43:41.000 And he meant it. 0.99

00:43:41.000 He said the quiet part out loud. 0.99

00:43:43.000 Yeah, he did.

00:43:44.000 He did.

00:43:44.000 No, I think the guns are the Rubicon that once that crosses.

00:43:47.000 That's not going to go well.

00:43:49.000 No.

00:43:49.000 And that's when they start trying to make everything in an NFA item.

00:43:54.000 And I'm very careful in talking about any kind of, I'm very careful in talking about any kind of conflict because I don't like the.

00:44:01.000 I don't like the mentality that we're all just red dawn characters or a bunch of gravy seals out there talking about how they're going to bust it up. 0.82

00:44:08.000 And I play Call of Duty too.

00:44:11.000 I don't believe all this stuff.

00:44:13.000 But here's the thing.

00:44:13.000 The people who talk about it aren't the ones who are going to be doing it.

00:44:16.000 The ones who are going to be doing it are my sons, my friend's sons, their friends.

00:44:21.000 Those are the people who are going to be doing it.

00:44:23.000 So you don't want to make the people who don't want to get involved mad.

00:44:29.000 Yeah.

00:44:30.000 Because that's the line you can't cross.

00:44:31.000 Because when those people commit to that kind of a loss, they're in it to win it.

00:44:37.000 And that's when it gets serious.

00:44:38.000 I agree.

00:44:40.000 Dana, this has been great.

00:44:41.000 Anything else you want to cover?

00:44:43.000 I think that's about it.

00:44:44.000 Thank you for speaking to our young women.

00:44:46.000 And we have to have you back again sometime very soon.

00:44:49.000 We're going to keep our eyes on this Chipman guy.

00:44:51.000 Yes.

00:44:52.000 Do so.

00:44:52.000 Yes.

00:44:53.000 And there should not be a single Republican that votes in favor of his confirmation.

00:44:58.000 I don't think there will be.

00:44:59.000 I hope not.

00:45:00.000 I hope not. 0.98

00:45:01.000 Susan Collins and Murkowski come from Second Amendment Loveham.

00:45:04.000 I'll fly myself up to any Republican state and I will fundraise against them personally on my own time and dime.

00:45:10.000 I can't imagine.

00:45:11.000 I can't imagine Murkowski can justify that in Alaska.

00:45:15.000 Oh, no, not in Alaska.

00:45:17.000 Not in Alaska.

00:45:17.000 That's what I'm saying, though.

00:45:18.000 I mean, that's, we would need a Murkowski or a Collins.

00:45:22.000 You never know, though.

00:45:23.000 Because just because they have an R by their name, don't think that they know God. 0.63

00:45:26.000 Trust me, I totally agree.

00:45:27.000 I mean, I just think it's terrible.

00:45:29.000 Dana, thank you so much.

00:45:30.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:45:30.000 Good to see you.

00:45:31.000 Thanks for having me.

00:45:34.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:45:35.000 If you want to support our program, go to charliekirk.com slash support and email us your thoughts.

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00:45:42.000 God bless you guys.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 29, 2021

Two Different Conservative Paths Forward—In Depth with Dana Loesch

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