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00:02:12.000Yeah, my small service, you know, to honor Charlie's legacy is just to make sure that I can help untangle the truth as the truth comes out.
00:02:19.000I think the three days, especially the first two days of this preliminary hearing, the probable cause hearing, have been incredibly damning for Tyler Robinson, which is maybe not unexpected for some of us who've been tracking the facts and the evidence from day one.
00:02:35.000But it's also been a very revealing couple of days for applying these facts.
00:02:41.000Against the delusional conspiracies that we know have taken root among so many on our side.
00:02:47.000So, when we saw the video yesterday of Tyler Robinson's movements showing up four different times on campus, that's incredibly revealing.
00:02:54.000Watching him scale that staircase, seeing how easily accessible the roof is, watching him lie prone on the corner of the roof, and then the moment that the shot is fired, get up and run away, jump off that roof, seeing him limp as if he has a rifle down his pants.
00:03:15.000Hearing the testimony about the DNA that on the towel and the screwdriver, which were found on the roof, that were allegedly used by Tyler Robinson, to see that the vast majority of the DNA samples on both of those items was a match for Tyler Robinson, and then a small portion of the DNA found on those items was from his transgender lover, Lance Twiggs.
00:03:38.000These are incredibly revealing things.
00:03:40.000To see today, I think the timeline of when he turned himself in.
00:03:45.000About 9 p.m. mountain time, which would have been local time, to the Washington County Police.
00:03:51.000And then seeing that juxtaposed against when he made that confession to the Discord chat that he was part of, that would have been over an hour.
00:03:59.000The confession would have happened over an hour prior to him turning himself in to hear the testimony that he was then not formally arrested until they had probable cause.
00:04:08.000And that maybe happened at 4 a.m. local time.
00:04:11.000These are incredibly revealing, incredibly damning pieces of evidence against Tyler Robinson.
00:04:17.000And the thing is, this is just the preliminary hearing.
00:04:19.000This isn't even necessarily like the good stuff or the most compelling evidence.
00:04:25.000This is just enough to establish that a trial should take place.
00:04:29.000And I'm glad, in a sense, that America's watching because I'm glad that they can see these facts for themselves finally.
00:04:34.000And it's not only preliminary to the actual trial.
00:04:36.000Today was practically preliminary to the evidence that even the witness was going to present, because as we'll get into, a very large portion of today was extended debate, extended back and forth about what will actually be shown.
00:04:53.000So we heard this agent that interviews were conducted with Tyler Robinson's mother, with Tyler Robinson's father.
00:05:00.000They never really got into what was said in those interviews, only that they happened.
00:05:05.000They talked about getting this statement from Lance Twiggs and then twice they interviewed him twice.
00:05:10.000They said, but then we got very extended arguments about how much is going to be redacted.
00:05:16.000We got statements from the defense that basically said if the evidence they're planning to show here is shown, it would basically be broadcasting to the world what the state will call a confession and it would be prejudicial to his right to a fair trial for that to be shown before the trial itself.
00:05:38.000More signs today that the evidence against Tyler Robinson is extremely strong, and the defense is very aware of that.
00:05:46.000So, even if we're not able to see all of it, it does look like we're likely to get a lot of this redacted when it does finally air tomorrow.
00:05:57.000Probably the other highlight of the day for me is actually early on where Judge Graff just essentially gives a statement that's saying, We are supposed to get this done by the end of business on Friday.
00:06:11.000Well, and I want to go back to what you just said, Liz, that the timeline piece of it.
00:06:15.000We know that certain purveyors of this propaganda, this conspiracy stuff, like Baron Coleman, have made much about the timeline, that he could have never confessed because they would have had his phone already.
00:06:25.000Well, the timeline got established today.
00:06:28.000And that was a very key part of what we saw in this case.
00:06:30.000And I'm going to play something from this Turkey Tom video.
00:06:33.000Watchers of our show know that I've referenced Turkey Tom.
00:07:02.000And it's a short clip, but it establishes the timeline.
00:07:05.000Confession message to their old friend group server.
00:07:07.000It's interesting to me that he sent it in this server and not to Lance's new server because I'm not sure why that is.
00:07:14.000It could just be that he was less familiar with the people there.
00:07:16.000But based on the kind of messages sent there, which we're going to go over later, it could be that he wanted to avoid having anyone say something that resembled support for his actions.
00:07:27.000It said 9 57 p.m. EDT, which would have been 7 57 Utah time.
00:07:35.000And then we find out, we hear from the testimony today that he turned himself in approximately at 9 local time.
00:07:41.000So he sends that Discord chat almost an hour, probably a full hour before he turned himself in.
00:07:48.000So, gone is one giant conspiracy on the timeline.
00:07:52.000Yeah, and there's actually an additional element to that, too, is when he turned himself in.
00:07:56.000We saw that video today of him being held at the Washington County Police Department, but he wasn't held in a cell.
00:08:03.000He was held in basically a back office until, like I said, they established probable cause and formally arrested him, possibly around 4 a.m.
00:08:11.000We actually don't know when he lost access to his cell phone.
00:08:15.000He could have had access to, I mean, he could have had access to his phone in that room.
00:08:22.000We don't know that he didn't have it then either.
00:08:23.000Yeah, but even if they took it away from him right at nine o'clock when he turns himself in, which we have no reason to believe at this point.
00:08:29.000He still had time to make the confession.
00:08:31.000And there has been literally millions of views on social media pontificating about this one piece.
00:08:54.000So notice that the color of the shirt, the hat, this is what he's wearing, okay?
00:08:59.000Now, go to the image that we saw in the compilation video the day before.
00:09:04.000Notice the color of shirt and the hat.
00:09:06.000So, we have been told, Liz, that there is, even with this, the social media of it all, we have been told that there is no proof that that's actually Tyler Robinson.
00:09:17.000It doesn't matter that his own mom recognized him from the images that were published from the surveillance.
00:09:23.000It's only images where he's wearing different clothing, where he's trying to hide his appearance.
00:09:49.000I think one of the things that I pointed out on X earlier, and of course, it was Candace Owens yesterday who was not just asking, do we have definitive proof that the person that we see in this is a grainy video?
00:10:01.000I think there was a clearer video that was played in court, to my understanding.
00:10:04.000The clearer video hasn't been released to the public.
00:10:06.000We just have the grainy version of it.
00:10:13.000She was casting doubt actively on whether this was him.
00:10:16.000And my point was just well, his own mother identified him from a grainy still that was taken from these videos that was released by police on the day that Tyler Robinson committed this crime, allegedly.
00:10:32.000And so who are we going to believe here?
00:10:36.000Seem to have an idea of how this process works, the judicial process, or how to establish whether there's probable cause, or his own mother who not only identified him, but this is one of the.
00:10:47.000I can't even fathom what that must be like for parents.
00:10:49.000You know, a parent's worst nightmare turning in their own son for a hideous crime they believe he committed because she recognized him from this video.
00:11:43.000But the cynic in me thinks that maybe it's because they want all these conspiracy theories to run wild.
00:11:49.000They want less that's plainly out there because they understand that the more the public sees, the more that the credibility of the conspiracy crowd is getting just crippled completely.
00:12:25.000I want to be clear as to what the Kirk family's position is on all of this.
00:12:29.000The Kirk family believes strongly that if the evidence is being admitted in this preliminary hearing, it should be made public for the world to see.
00:13:12.000I thought that was a really important moment from today, Liz, because, you know, we get a lot of people chipping at us online that we don't have any questions, we don't want any.
00:13:38.000Liz, I only have you for three more minutes, and I know you got to go.
00:13:42.000I want to highlight what you were talking about because I think you've articulated it very well, better than anybody I've seen online.
00:13:49.000When it comes to the DNA, you, there was, explain the, the, the, Stories that were floating around on social media and how you rebutted them.
00:13:58.000Yeah, let me comment on the Kirk family lawyer for just a second, too.
00:14:01.000I know that the argument from the other side is that it could taint the jury pool if some of the more damning evidence is shown.
00:14:09.000And in a regular trial, that may be an argument that carries some water.
00:14:13.000But the counter argument in this particular case, because it's such a high profile case, is that the conspiracy theories, which are so abundant surrounding the murder of Charlie Kirk and who was involved in that, Could also taint the jury pool.
00:14:26.000And so I think it is in the interest of the American people to see this evidence because God forbid you get a jury pool that's full of people who bought into some of those conspiracies because they didn't have the access to see some of this evidence that could change their minds.
00:14:40.000Because let's be real, everyone in the country is aware of the facts of this.
00:14:44.000You're not going to get a jury pool of people that are like, oh, I didn't know who Charlie Kirk was.
00:15:19.000I think this was actually late yesterday that the testimony came from the DNA analyst that said, listen, of this screwdriver, And of this towel that were found on the roof, there were several DNA samples that were found.
00:15:30.000Instantly, the propagators of fake news online claimed that the majority of the DNA was Lance Twiggs and only a fraction was Tyler Robinson.
00:15:39.000And the point of propagating this lie, of course, was to cast doubt on whether Tyler Robinson was actually the one who committed this crime, because that's key to the conspiracies.
00:15:46.000He cannot be the one who committed the crime in order for the vast global conspiracy that's been painted by Candace Owens to be real.
00:16:23.000They're going to have the stuff in their apartment, which you can assume, I suppose, that this is where this stuff came from.
00:16:30.000It's probably going to have some of their shared DNA on it.
00:16:33.000That's not something that should surprise anyone.
00:16:36.000I think it probably does bring up questions, questions that we've had for a long time since we initially found out who did this.
00:16:44.000Whether Lance Twiggs knew about it or was involved, I mean, I assume those are questions that will be answered in the days and weeks and months to come.
00:16:51.000But the lie that was propagated initially was just that.
00:16:56.000And I hope it actually serves to open people's eyes because when you see a lie like that and then you see the actual testimony that contradicts the lie and you realize that the liars were lying, you should ask, well, what else are they lying about?
00:17:09.000And by the way, I know you got to go, but you've been on the record now predicting the next conspiracy theory or the next wild hare that they chase.
00:17:19.000And then literally within minutes, all the usual suspects.
00:17:23.000Take that thing that you predicted because you're watching it live and you're like, they're going to go with that.
00:19:48.000There was a lot of, let's just say, noise being made about exactly how tall Tyler Robinson is and did that compare to how tall the gentleman in the video was.
00:20:02.000So let's, we've got, I think, a couple of these clips.
00:22:11.000Getting deeper into this, I mean, the claim when they were getting whipped up by the conspiracies is that this person is well over six feet.
00:22:22.000And I think that's trivially easy to debunk through what Tyler's been doing, or even in the video footage you can see.
00:22:28.000He passes by another guy in the stairwell, and that guy is clearly much taller than him.
00:22:33.000Well, and there was also that woman that was the young woman walking past him, and it looked like they were almost equal height.
00:22:40.000But explain what you were talking about.
00:22:43.000First of all, in that clip, you say, It's going to be impossible for me to perfectly match this because of camera angles, because of different lenses.
00:22:53.000I mean, you tried to match the angle as much as you could, but it's going to be impossible to match.
00:22:59.000And then also because you've done a lot of camera work over the years, Taylor, explain how something on camera can be deceptive to the person that's viewing it.
00:23:10.000For example, I always use the example of Tom Cruise.
00:23:13.000Tom Cruise, I thought, was like a tall man.
00:23:27.000But the point is explain how that can be deceptive.
00:23:30.000Yeah, well, I mean, everything is angles, everything is lighting.
00:23:32.000I mean, granted, I mean, you have to keep in mind that the footage that, you know, Candace and others are pulling and referencing in regards to him being taller than, you know, he was prior.
00:23:42.000In the first time that, you know, the alleged assassin came onto campus, he is actually farther away from the railing.
00:23:48.000So that can also kind of factor into the angle, into where he, how much he slumped over.
00:23:53.000But the actual lens used in the security footage, I mean, I don't have access to the UVU security cameras.
00:23:59.000So, you know, I wish I did, but that's not how it works.
00:24:02.000And the lens is going to capture things differently than, you know, an eye.
00:24:05.000iPhone 17 camera, which is what was used to film this video.
00:24:08.000You know, the iPhone 17, completely different lens than what the actual security footage is, you know, that's being portrayed here in the preliminary hearings.
00:24:15.000So it doesn't matter how much comparison you're giving, you can only get so much, I would say, when using a different camera lens to actually being entirely accurate.
00:24:26.000But I tried my best, had, you know, held it up.
00:24:37.000I believe I had seen online that the new thing is that, you know, the second guy that came through is a different guy and he appears to be anywhere between 6'4 to 6'4.
00:24:46.000And I figured I would go because I'm exactly 6'4.
00:24:49.000And you can see, I mean, I am taller than that person in the video.
00:24:52.000And in the later videos, I imagine you guys will show, there's a retaining wall with a line that is clearly about halfway through the person's head that is walking through the tunnel.
00:25:03.000And I go, who is 6'4, I go and stand next to it.
00:27:00.000Draw our eyes and ears to what needs to be seen by the audience there, Taylor.
00:27:04.000I mean, well, you see that they're, I mean, it would say that it's almost roughly the same, but it is just slightly different to kind of drive that fact that, okay, even if he is 5'10, then it doesn't matter in this scenario because one, Camera angles play into it, but me as a six foot tall man, I am completely different than what that video essentially portrayed.
00:27:24.000And that also leads into angling, that leads into me using my iPhone camera.
00:27:28.000So, the idea that this is kind of the new narrative, it's debunked in itself.
00:27:32.000I don't even need to go down there to really even raise this argument, but the internet has kind of been taken over in a sense with these conspiracy theories.
00:27:40.000And I can understand questioning certain things, it's human nature.
00:27:43.000But when you can't actually question things of substance, when the goalposts continuously move, I figured I would go down to the campus and actually draw attention to this.
00:27:52.000So, let's see where the goalposts move the next time, essentially.
00:27:55.000That's my goal is to see, okay, what are we actually going to talk about that has substance?
00:28:00.000Why don't We watch the preliminary hearing, see the evidence come out.
00:28:04.000I'm out here every single day reporting on what's going on, both inside and outside the courtroom.
00:28:09.000All of these people online, they are not here, and they're not here for a reason.
00:28:12.000And the only clips that they're actually using are clips completely taken out of context.
00:28:19.000So, because you're there, Taylor, and thank you for doing that, that was really interesting.
00:28:24.000And it does show that you guys are probably a little bit taller than him, but it shows that you basically are what we would have expected.
00:28:34.000That based on where your shoulder lines up to his, etc., plus he's also hunched over with the gun potentially, you know, down one or two legs.
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00:32:34.000And they weren't willing to talk to me.
00:32:36.000So every single day, at least so far, you do have people that are basically coming in here getting access to the preliminary hearings that are pro Tyler Robbins.
00:32:51.000These people are staying overnight in a lot of cases.
00:32:53.000So they're the very first to actually get access.
00:32:56.000And there's only a limited amount of spots.
00:32:58.000So they're essentially taking up the places of people.
00:33:01.000I mean, there's, Children out here, there were people that attended UVU that witnessed it firsthand that actually wanted to get in today that weren't able to get in.
00:33:09.000Well, it doesn't surprise me because you know it's a cult, you know, those are the people that are going to have this cultish devotion to this, I think, misplaced moralizing about this, right?
00:33:24.000Wearing the freedom shirts, yeah, they're part of a whole contingent online that wants to rip down Charlie's organization, attack his widow and his family, but they see themselves as the defenders.
00:33:35.000Uh, of the of Charlie's legacy, which you know, I think that's Erica's job personally, but that's but that's fine.
00:33:43.000Anything else you want to bring up, Taylor, that you want our audience to be aware of that's happening around the courthouse or what you're witnessing?
00:33:50.000Yeah, I mean, just uh, I would say get your information from the actual preliminary hearing, it's live streamed for a reason.
00:33:56.000Watch it all if you have time, don't just go on social media, you know, because all these clips are being taken out of context.
00:34:02.000Um, you know, obviously, Lance Twiggs was a very big focal point today, yesterday, it was DNA evidence.
00:34:07.000So, every single day we're seeing new developments and it's always being taken out of context.
00:34:12.000So, if you actually want to understand what's taking place during this preliminary hearing, you need to just watch the thing.
00:34:51.000Assuming that since this was the longest piece and then it was causing so much hiccup in his giddy up, that this is probably maybe what was sitting on his right leg.
00:35:01.000So, because when you do see him walking, he's kind of this arm is not moving right now.
00:35:14.000As it sits, the muzzle of the rifle is just below my knee.
00:35:20.000We saw him moving with no hip movement, but he was still able to move his knee.
00:36:33.000They tend to be, you know, gun aficionados and really into that space, and they're breaking down how that limp could happen, how you could assemble a rifle on a rooftop.
00:36:43.000And I just think it's really, really interesting and I think really helpful to understand what probably happened.
00:38:18.000Okay, so, Viva, you are always a guy that, and I actually love this because I believe, hey, Tyler Robinson is innocent until proven guilty.
00:38:26.000I believe that is sacrosanct in our system.
00:38:29.000I believe the evidence is very compelling.
00:38:32.000But I believe he's innocent until proven guilty.
00:39:06.000I happen to think there's substantial prima facie evidence to indicate Tyler Robinson was on the roof, pulled the trigger, was identified by his mother, et cetera, et cetera.
00:39:17.000We're living in a world now, by the way.
00:39:25.000People are like, hey, Viva, don't do vlogs from the Steam sauna anymore.
00:39:29.000But we're living in a world where people have sort of gotten back into the realm of the Alex Jones InfoWars Sandy Hook level psychotic conspiracy everywhere, where now people are saying, all right, I believe everything we're being told is a lie.
00:39:44.000So I'm going to not believe anything except for that which I've convinced myself of already.
00:39:50.000I don't know if Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger.
00:39:52.000I don't know if he was on the roof and he was the one who fired the gun.
00:39:56.000I know what the preliminary evidence looks like right now.
00:39:59.000And I know it's being adduced at the preliminary hearing.
00:40:02.000But the insane conspiracy theories that are being floated that are implicating everyone and anyone involved that are unsubstantiated and unfalsifiable in their vagueness.
00:40:14.000I mean, I'm seeing Sandy Hook 2.0 recurring right now.
00:40:21.000Issues with the prosecution, there's some issues with the investigation, and there's some issues with the evidence.
00:40:26.000I go, I can find, I can appreciate that.0.61
00:40:28.000But to go from there to say that it's exploding microphones, Israel did it, and not that Israel might not, Israel might have had a hand in this.
00:40:38.000But until you can provide the slightest shred of evidence other than I can divine an intention or a motive, you have to admit that from the evidence that you have right now, if you have a more plausible theory than the one being presented, which is Tyler Robinson was on the roof, took the shot, had the rifle, had the moment, had the opportunity.
00:40:55.000If you have a more plausible theory to present, you can go ahead and present it, but you don't get to manufacture facts out of whole cloth.
00:41:03.000You don't get to misrepresent what is being adduced at this preliminary hearing in terms of the DNA evidence.
00:41:10.000Whether you believe in DNA evidence or not, don't misrepresent which percentage it's favoring.
00:41:15.000Whether or not you believe that Tyler Robinson was not able to have the rifle in his legs, if you misrepresent that he was shifting his limp from the right leg to the left leg without contemplating the idea that it might have been a reverse image mirror of the video, You don't get to make up facts.
00:41:31.000You don't get to say he's innocent because they haven't proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty at a preliminary hearing, which itself is probable cause.
00:41:42.000I mean, we're in a realm now where it's, I guess, in a way, it's the ultimate flattery to Charlie Kirk, which is the loss is so great, the loss is so monumental that people have to come up with concoctions to try to make sense of what is a senseless crime.
00:41:57.000But preliminary hearing is going the way it's going.
00:42:02.000On probable cause, that Tyler Robinson should go to trial.
00:42:05.000If people think that the video evidence is not clear cut, not sufficiently clear that his own mother identified him, you can raise reasonable doubt at the trial.
00:42:14.000Right now, it's preliminary hearing, probable cause, a lower threshold.
00:42:18.000And people don't get to make up facts and misrepresent things to promote their insane conspiracy theories that are not tethered to reality.
00:42:27.000Well, you know, it's funny because I've heard, I thought that was really well said, Viva, because, you know, One of my frustrations in all of this is that because there have been so many allegations heaped on the org, heaped on Erica, heaped on myself, or whoever, Ben Shapiro now is in the attention.
00:43:40.000Now go to the still from the parking garage.
00:43:44.000The day before, similar shirt, similar hat, and I was, I think, from testimony that he was wearing Converse shoes when he turned himself in.
00:43:53.000And I believe that's what was described in this image as well.
00:45:17.000Probable cause versus proof beyond a reasonable doubt are two different thresholds at two different stages of the proceedings, and people need to understand that.
00:45:25.000The bottom line he was arrested, detained in the clothing that he appears to be wearing the day before on campus.
00:45:32.000That's probable cause on its face, set aside the DNA, set aside the text messages, which people can tear apart on trial.
00:45:41.000But this is the insanity that the I'm calling it psychotic delusional insanity that Ben Shapiro, the news of the day.
00:45:49.000He admitted on his show, he got a call from his security, got a call from Charlie Kirk's security right after the shooting, saying, you know, an update of sorts on the shooting.
00:46:02.000They deduce from that that he was somehow in on it, that Mossad, because his security are former Mossad, that that's how they would coordinate between the two of them to confirm that the takeout by Mossad has been established.
00:46:15.000I mean, it's so insane that you would go with that outlandish theory.
00:46:19.000As opposed to these are prominent conservatives, and at the time after the shooting, my understanding is you know, people were fearful that this might have been a coordinated attack targeting other prominent conservatives, Candace included, by the way, by her own statements.
00:46:32.000And that they jumped to the his agent, his security are former Mossad agents, and so they are calling to give him an update on the confirmation of the Mossad assassination hit on Charlie Kirk.
00:46:43.000I mean, you're dealing with people positing theories that really can never be falsified and that don't even make sense on the simplest, most reasonable interpretation of things.
00:46:53.000So My interpretation is that more likely than not, Ben Shapiro got a call and said, Charlie Kirk's been assassinated.
00:47:01.000I think people knew he was dead well in advance.
00:47:26.000Maybe someone else was wearing the exact same stuff.
00:47:29.000It'll get to the beyond a reasonable doubt at the trial on the merits.
00:47:32.000Right now, it's probable cause and whether or not, more likely than not, a crime has been committed for which this individual, whoever he may be, should stand trial.
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00:49:23.000I mean, I genuinely think you could not merely get probable cause.
00:49:27.000You could probably actually get a conviction on the standalone element of any really of the four things, if you want to say the four legs of the stool here, which is the video footage of his car and him on the campus where he is at the time of the shooting, from the DNA evidence that we have on the towel and on the screwdriver, and possibly on the gun eventually it will turn out, which again we can trace back to him, from the text messages and from his interactions with his parents and turning himself in.
00:49:55.000Any one of those legs of that stool would be enough to clear probable cause and probably get a conviction.
00:50:02.000And instead, we have all four of those things.
00:50:04.000And I think it's fascinating at that point to highlight the constant objection, objection, objection from the defense.
00:50:11.000We saw this first with the compilation video, which was a huge bombshell.
00:50:15.000I mean, that video alone, that compilation tracing his steps on campus the four times he visited, according to the state, was a really big revelation.
00:50:26.000Social media was, I mean, on fire about it yesterday.
00:50:30.000This is the second time that they seem to have been fighting tooth and nail to block at least certain parts of this Twigs video recording interview, right?
00:50:39.000So I can only imagine that it's going to be the next big explosive piece of it.
00:50:45.000It seems like the judge is going to be redacting a number of pages from the 22 page kind of transcript of it, which means we're going to lose big chunks of it, which the family representative for the Kirk family said, We want it all published.
00:50:59.000If you're going to admit it as evidence, we want it all published.
00:51:01.000And then the judge says, Hey, just to call my shot here.
00:51:04.000Most of the stuff we're redacting is just the text messages, which have already been sort of publicized in the charging document.
00:51:22.000But again, at this stage, come trial time, everything's going to be different.
00:51:27.000It's going to sort of start from scratch.
00:51:29.000But just to get to the issue that like you can convict him on any one of the four things, you know, No, the text messages, the provenance, the authenticity needs to be proven.
00:51:39.000His DNA, that's a double edged sword just to not get into the conspiratorial ground.
00:51:45.000If there's 89 and 95% DNA of Tyler Robinson, there's 5 and 11% of somebody else.
00:51:52.000Is a 5 and 11% of it being someone else reasonable doubt?
00:51:56.000You couple that with all of the other circumstantial evidence, and it'll be a separate issue to prove at trial.
00:52:02.000So I don't think you get there on the preliminary hearing, even based on what's been adduced.
00:52:08.000And this is where people accuse me of buying into the Fed narrative and they call me, you know, gobbler of the Fed slob.
00:52:14.000I sincerely and genuinely believe other people were involved.
00:52:18.000And right now we're getting confirmation of it.
00:52:20.000Tyler, sorry, Twiggs was more involved than we ever thought if his DNA is on not just the towel, a towel is easier to understand DNA on the screwdriver.
00:52:31.000You know, Lance Twiggs knew that Tyler Robinson was engraving whatever fascist, you know, thing he was engraving on bullets.
00:52:46.000On that note, you can't deduce that yet that Twiggs knew about the plot.
00:52:51.000I have stated multiple times from this chair that if we do find out that he was engaged as a co conspirator or had advance notice that this was going to happen and they tried to cover the tracks with these text messages, I want the guy held accountable to the max extent of the law.
00:54:27.000And I think the word he used was like, Now you can see really clearly how you could, the moral disassociation and just disassociating from reality that this world they were living in.
00:54:55.000So it's like you could see why this world was completely bizarre and weird.
00:55:01.000And it doesn't necessarily lead me to believe that Twiggs knew anything was about to happen.
00:55:06.000Well, no, if the Turkey Town video was the one describing a prior incident where two lovers, you know, got themselves basically to get psychotically enveloped in a murder conspiracy, I'm not sure if it's that video you're talking about.
00:55:19.000No, it's a friend that is describing the world that they were living in.
00:55:23.000It's, you know, Lance Twiggs would nest.
00:55:25.000He would get really depressed and he wouldn't get off the floor out of the living room and he would just sort of slowly gather like a hoarder, all these objects around him.
00:56:44.000This is from that Turkey Tom video talking about which Discord server he confessed in, because apparently he was active in two.
00:56:53.000This isn't, I don't know if there's anything here, but play cut 70.
00:56:56.000Confession message to their old friend group server.
00:56:59.000It's interesting to me that he sent it in this server and not to Lance's new server, because I'm not sure why that is.
00:57:05.000It could just be that he was less familiar with the people there, but based on the kind of messages sent there, which we're going to go over later, it could be that he wanted to avoid having anyone say something that resembled support for his actions.
00:57:41.000Not to get too conspiratorial, but when we're told that Thomas Crooks was not involved in any social media activity, and then, you know, you get.
00:57:48.000Reports coming out that he had multiple social media footprints.
00:57:52.000Do I believe that Tyler Robinson was only involved in two Discord chats?
00:57:59.000And I'd love to know each and every individual who was on them, if they've been investigated, how people knew allegedly, apparently in advance, something was going to happen, how he's confessing to his boyfriend about remember when I was engraving those bullets.
00:58:12.000And then he goes to the Discord servers to confess to what he did, where on the Discord servers, even according to the official narrative, they're already talking about having noticed what happened to Charlie Kirk.
00:58:22.000I don't believe that there were only two Discord servers.
00:58:25.000I don't believe that there was nobody of relevance on any of those Discord servers.
00:58:29.000I don't believe that George Zinn, that old pervert who was subsequently arrested for and pleaded guilty to child sex abuse material on his cell phone after he admitted or purported to admit that he was there as a distraction to the shooter to allow him to get away, was there by accident.
00:58:44.000So, all that said, do I believe that it was an exploding microphone that Mossad planted because they used Pages to kill some terrorists in Gaza and the West Bank?0.74
00:58:53.000No, because there's no evidence to suggest that.
00:58:55.000At this point in time, do I refuse to ever believe it possibly in the future?
00:58:59.000No, but there needs to be evidence to support certain things.
00:59:30.000And secondly, If that stuff comes out in the future, it's not like I'm going to fight it.
00:59:35.000I think there's this perception among some online that, like, we're like, ah, don't ask questions.
00:59:38.000Like, no, I want to know the truth on all this stuff.
00:59:43.000But what I'm looking at, the evidence that has been presented at court in this preliminary hearing to, as you said, reach the burden of probable cause is extraordinarily compelling.
00:59:54.000You know, and I just, I think there's some people that won't believe their lying eyes, you know?
00:59:58.000Well, there are people who still insist nobody was killed at Sandy Hook.
01:00:03.000There are people who insist that the destruction, tearing down and raising of the building at Sandy Hook, was an indication that no one was killed there.
01:00:13.000Yes, because I think the Sandy Hook school was destroyed to cover up some of the corruption of the school, that they didn't actually invest the monies that they were given for the purposes of gun safety.
01:00:25.000Do I think it's weird that they raised, leveled, and dug up the dirt of the crime scene here?
01:00:30.000I can appreciate the official narrative, which is that the University of Utah wanted to.
01:00:36.000Clean up a traumatic crime scene so they could get back to university activity as normal.
01:00:42.000If I believe, and I might very well, that there might have been people at the university that were involved in not securing the roof, telling TPUSA that the roof was secure, that they don't need their own drones, and might they want to destroy and cover up and bury their own crime scene, I could believe that too.
01:01:00.000But again, theories, beliefs, and that for which you have the slightest shred of evidence are three different things.
01:01:07.000And I'm able to understand and distinguish between what I believe.
01:01:10.000What I can prove and what I can reasonably argue.
01:01:12.000And for the time being, if there's a better theory than Tyler Robinson having taken the shot, I appreciate all the holes everybody wants to poke.
01:01:30.000But until there's a better theory, and until there's the slightest shred of evidence to support exploding mic theories, a second gunman theory, a trapdoor theory, until there's the slightest shred of evidence to support that, You can float unsubstantiated and thus unfalsifiable conspiracy theories.0.99
01:01:48.000It makes you look like an idiot and untrustworthy.0.96
01:01:52.000But the bottom line right now, in the ordinary course of criminal prosecution, preliminary hearing, probable cause.1.00
01:02:02.000Sufficiently clear that his own mother identified him, the rifle identified by his father, fragments determined to be a bullet, not an exploding microphone.
01:02:11.000And if it is an exploding microphone, my goodness, the defense will be that much easier come trial time.
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01:04:07.000And to Viva's point, it's not that we don't have questions, we just don't have evidence.
01:04:11.000So you can have all the vibes and whatever else you want to have, but if you have no evidence and you're accusing innocent people or innocent things or innocent groups, then that's reckless.
01:04:32.000That I think Viva brought up is that it's this sort of compliment to Charlie.
01:04:37.000That people, because Charlie was so important, he was so incredible and so just influential, that I think it's hard for a lot of people to think hey, maybe it's this dude.
01:04:49.000This 22 year old that just climbs up on a roof.
01:04:51.000It's not satisfying to think that some weird loser who lived with his furry boyfriend and they did a bunch of drugs and lived in their furry nest, that that guy could.
01:05:07.000Just he could he could kill a world historical figure like Charlie because he was a wretched person who embraced violence, and that's what drives a lot of theories.
01:05:16.000It's just like we get the stuff with Kennedy because you don't want to believe a president can be taken out that way.
01:05:36.000I'm kind of hot about what happened in the court today.
01:05:41.000We did not get what we were told was going to happen.
01:05:45.000We did not get the Lance Twiggs video, which was said from the very start that that's where, in fact, the defense was the one that first stipulated it, that it was going to be coming.
01:05:55.000We had kind of been expecting, I think, to get at least, if not the full video, but at least the audio of the recording with Lance Twiggs, which is the trans boyfriend.
01:06:08.000The defense moved to block this, moved to redact this.
01:06:14.000And the judge, instead of, he made one ruling and then was about to allow the audio to be played and then very quickly agreed to even more redactions.
01:06:29.000And this, of course, happened right about, so it's around the four o'clock hour local.
01:06:35.000And they basically said, oh, we don't have time for this now, so we're going to break early.
01:06:41.000And it's something where I'm looking at it going, look, I want justice here, but at the same time as that, I think transparency is part of that justice.
01:06:52.000And having full transparency means having full access to the evidence.
01:06:56.000And this individual who was closer to Tyler Robinson than anyone in terms of leading up to the shooting, it seems to me that his evidence would be extremely relevant.
01:07:11.000His testimony would be extremely relevant, not just this interview, but he conducted another interview in April of this year.
01:07:17.000And the fact that we have been blocked from seeing that is, I'm just livid.
01:07:25.000I would say I'm just speechless that here we are, three days now that we've spent in this courtroom, and we're still not getting key evidence like that.
01:07:41.000I mean, they're fighting tooth and nail.
01:07:43.000First, it was on the compilation video, which was extraordinarily damning.
01:07:47.000Then, they're fighting tooth and nail on this Lance Twiggs recorded interview, which I agree.
01:07:52.000How is that not the most relevant thing to establishing the fact that this guy confessed, the fact that he had a motive?
01:08:00.000And the fact that he had this, frankly, a gay lover that also contributed to the motive, and he was the closest person to him.
01:08:07.000This seems like the most relevant piece of information.
01:08:11.000Well, at this point, they basically said it themselves when the defense is objecting.
01:08:15.000They basically say this evidence is going to be so strong that presenting it now will prejudice his right to a fair trial because they will blast it out to everyone.
01:08:26.000And basically, they're saying everyone will see the evidence published in all the news outlets about how Tyler Robinson.
01:08:38.000And just to say, Jack, I read somewhere that it's going to be $10 million, that this could cost upwards of $10 million by the end for the state of Utah to defend this Tyler Robinson because it's going to drag out so long like this.
01:08:53.000Well, and that, you know, it's clearly.
01:08:57.000Look, they've got a very high profile defense lawyer, Richard Novikin from Southern California.
01:09:05.000extremely well known for his defense of clients, and he's extremely well known for this type of litigation where he's able to come into the courtroom and bring up these constitutional defenses, and you're going up against these Utah provost, Utah County attorneys, and they don't have anyone from out of town coming in who's bringing in the big guns, so to speak.
01:09:35.000When you're looking at the case, you know, I guess I would speak to a lot of like the misinformation that I see out there as well, because where people saying, well, you know, I don't want to hear the government narrative.
01:09:46.000I don't trust the government because, you know, Fauci and COVID, et cetera.
01:10:12.000That's why they're fighting so hard to block this.
01:10:16.000And it seems as though Twiggs was given, we're told he was given this limited immunity, use immunity in the case for his testimony, that he has been cooperative to a point at least in terms of turning over his cell phone.
01:10:28.000So that's how we got the text messages, the Discord messages, et cetera.
01:10:33.000And so the idea that we can't see that evidence and that the public can't see that evidence, it seems to me as flying in the face.
01:10:42.000of the ideals of not just victim rights for Erica and Charlie's parents, who this has been an incredibly trying week for them.
01:10:54.000There's no question having to sit there just feed away from Tyler Robinson and to go through all of this again.
01:11:03.000But then to be told that you can't even have that evidence to be played in open court, it really, really creates a situation that's incredibly frustrating having sat there now for three days.
01:11:17.000And don't get me wrong, I think we've seen a lot of evidence, but knowing that there is more evidence out there that is still being held back creates a massive frustration.