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00:01:20.000We are currently in a recess in the court on the fifth day of the state of Utah versus Tyler Robinson, the preliminary hearing.
00:01:28.000And we've got some great guys here starting off to help us make sense of the insanity that sometimes you see online, but also make sense of the court proceedings.
00:02:15.000As we're waiting here, since we do have a munitions expert, ballistics expert, let's start there.
00:02:24.000What are some of the biggest misconceptions?
00:02:26.000Because, Justin, I've seen you all over online right now.
00:02:29.000You're just going ham on everybody when it comes to ballistics.
00:02:33.000What are the biggest misconceptions you're seeing, and what do you want to set the record straight with?
00:02:37.000Yeah, well, I think the first misconception is that there's something unusual about the lack of an exit wound.
00:02:46.000Previous to this preliminary hearing, we really didn't know the projectile that was being used, and now it's been, you know, confirmed and identified as a Remington core locked, a very, very, very common soft point round that's been around for decades.
00:03:03.000And anybody who's used one can tell you that jacket separation fragmentation is something that can absolutely happen when these projectiles strike bone.
00:03:19.000And so, this whole idea that it could not have happened, and so therefore, any suggestion that it was a bullet that killed Charlie must mean that there's some kind of greater conspiracy in play, you know, exploding microphones, electrocution, all this kind of stuff.
00:03:39.000These are the things that certain podcasters have been speculating on for months, and now we're actually seeing the evidence in court, and it's pretty obvious what happened.
00:04:00.000Yeah, and you know, you always hear that expression bullets do funny things, they're unpredictable.
00:04:05.000This is a point you've been making for a while.
00:04:07.000Did you, Phoenix, you were early on this, and Kurt, I don't know if you're a gun aficionado, but basically, you made the point that 16 out of 17 of the.30.6 caliber rounds that Remington manufactures have this type of soft tip, which you would expect to sort of balloon out or mushroom out, designed not to.
00:04:51.000I was reading his stuff today, and he's providing a role here as an expert witness, right?
00:04:57.000Who's giving us expertise that normal people don't have.
00:05:00.000And as a lawyer, you know, I didn't know all this stuff.
00:05:03.000But I had the advantage of getting guys like Justin in who could explain things in common parlance so that regular folks could understand.
00:05:12.000And Justin was talking about that today.
00:05:15.000He was talking about how softpoint bullets work, what the purpose of jacketing is, how this ammunition is designed.
00:05:23.000And, you know, these are powerful facts that Justin's providing, not speculation, not nonsense, not Elmer Fudd lore.
00:05:34.000He's giving real, real solid information.
00:05:38.000So I'll defer to him on the specifics, but if I was a lawyer, I would hire someone like him as my expert witness, and then I would argue the hell out of everything he's taught the jury.
00:05:48.000Well, you're talking, this is something Blake and I talk a lot about.
00:05:52.000You're talking about evidence, you're talking about proof, actually, that's being presented in the court of law now.
00:05:58.000And I think we've had 10 months of a vacuum.
00:06:01.000And by the way, today is the 10 month mark, which is worth noting.
00:06:07.000We've had 10 months, though, of just this vacuum of facts and evidence.
00:06:11.000Now you see vacuums and facts actually being injected into the conversation.
00:06:15.000And yet there are still people that refuse, that are doubling and tripling down.
00:07:04.000I mean, even among attorneys, and we pride ourselves at being objective, at looking at facts and following them wherever they go.
00:07:12.000And then, you know, and then arguing the case for our client as best we can.0.94
00:07:18.000You know, it's human nature to have pride and not want to say, you know, I listened to a bunch of podcasting shysters, a bunch of clowns, and they misled me.
00:07:31.000And again, I want to go back to Justin because I'm so impressed by the way he calmly and thoroughly explains the facts.
00:07:50.000It's just here's the facts, here's how it works.
00:07:53.000And people of good faith will respond to that.
00:07:55.000People who are suddenly defensive because they've been wrong about something and they're frankly embarrassed, you're never going to convince them.
00:08:05.000But most normal people are subject to changing their minds when they see compelling evidence.
00:08:13.000And I think the kind of compelling evidence Justin's providing as an expert is immensely useful.
00:08:20.000Gentlemen, I'm just being told in my ear that they're coming back from this break.
00:08:24.000Justin, I wanted to get you in so much more here.
00:08:26.000Man, because you have been doing the Lord's work shutting down so much of this garbage.
00:08:33.000I have no idea how long they're going to be on for, so I'm not sure if you guys can stick around.
00:09:15.000He's now chosen for that to happen now.
00:09:18.000So Erica, Kathy, Rob, the Kirk family collectively are now able to watch that compilation video with enhancements, zoom ins, kind of red circles that draw your eye to it.
00:09:31.000That's how I've been told, had that video described.
00:10:01.000I want to bring up something as we're seeing that, we're not seeing it, but presumably the video is being played right now in court for the family.
00:10:11.000Kaylee McEnany, who's a friend, she's also a lawyer, former White House press secretary.
00:10:16.000She has come out on the offensive saying that she is mind blowing to her Judge Tony Graff citing Article 1, Section 28 of the Utah Constitution that allows Erica Kirk and the family to be treated with respect, et cetera, et cetera.
00:10:31.000And she goes, but I would love for him to cite Utah Code 773872 that gives Erica Kirk and her family the, quote, right to a speedy disposition of the charges, free from unwarranted delay caused by or at the behest of the defendant.
00:10:45.000So under Utah code, there can't be undue delay.
00:10:49.000She then goes on to say that in the United States of America, the average plea is made by a defendant within 24 to 48 hours of an incident.
00:11:06.000And the judge yesterday said, instead of issuing his ruling on whether this has reached probable cause, which we all know that it has, He has instead said, I'm going to wait till September 1st.
00:11:19.000We're going to have another hearing September 1st.
00:11:54.000In general, I mean, I think the larger criticism of the way he's handling this is he's just losing control of the clock, and this is dragging on too long.
00:12:03.000I mean, that questioning that we just went through on the DNA, my eyes were glazing over, and maybe that's the point.
00:12:11.000Maybe that is the strategy that they're intending.
00:12:15.000It's tough to know, but in general, he's been pretty good, okay?
00:12:23.000Previous ruling and allowed more transparency in the Lance Twiggs video.
00:12:28.000He deserves a lot of, you know, he deserves acknowledgement from us that that was the right decision.
00:12:37.000But this is just beginning to become a clown show in just how long it's taking.
00:12:43.000And so hopefully that point is made either by the state or by Jeffrey Nyman before we get too far along here today.
00:12:50.000Because, you know, I think the point has been made.
00:12:55.000The prosecution notably, I don't know if we, I think we have that clip as a matter of fact.
00:13:01.000The prosecution today made the point that this was, yeah, here you go.
00:14:05.000You get a lot of analysis on that to minimize the amount of time anyone is spending thinking on there were multiple confessions by the defendant by text, by in person, according to the person's testimony.
00:14:17.000Multiple people heard it on multiple forums, and they just want to minimize the amount of attention on that because, as you say, it's devastating.
00:14:50.000The evidence, in my humble opinion, points to Tyler Robinson doing it.
00:14:56.000Whether that's the video surveillance evidence or the confessions and texts, the DNA, the forensic evidence, all of these things point in one direction.
00:15:07.000And so you've got to wonder, with all of those different pieces of the puzzle here pointing to Tyler Robinson, what would the judge need to do to be convinced to make a ruling today?
00:15:18.000And that's certainly the hope, but we've, from what we've seen from this situation with the judge and the way that he tends to operate, unfortunately, I don't think that's going to happen.
00:15:34.000I think we're going to have to wait until September 1st for Tyler Robinson to actually issue a plea.
00:15:39.000Based on the judge ruling that we'll have a hearing on September 1st, you might even delay to that point.
00:15:44.000We may get past the symbolic one year mark, which I think is insane.
00:15:47.000In fact, if you want a big picture thing from this that I think about, this might be worth generating a bit of a discussion of how do our actual criminal justice systems operate?
00:15:59.000How long does it take to get a defendant to plea, to trial, into prison if they're guilty now versus 50 years ago?
00:16:37.000He's saying, this is a violation of the 14th Amendment, or, you know, my client's 6th and 14th Amendment rights.
00:16:42.000What is that in translation, lawyer speak?
00:16:45.000We're going to get this thing overturned, or we're going to, something, you know, something is going to be done to upend this case.
00:16:51.000Case in this proceeding, and it sounds like it seems like he's been successful in some regard, cowing Judge Graff.
00:16:58.000We all got that sinking feeling in our stomach yesterday when that letter was briefly displayed, and we thought, okay, they're gonna run with this.
00:17:05.000And lo and behold, today they're running with this.
00:17:08.000This letter was blasted out to everyone.
00:17:10.000We need to take the cameras out of the courtroom, which, if they're successful on that, means more room for weird conspiracy theorists to run wild.
00:17:18.000That means more room for, oh, we can hope someone who's really hooked on this stuff gets into the jury pool.
00:17:26.000So, that gentleman that just droned on for a couple, like over an hour, basically, I'm looking at the tape from it.
00:17:34.000He got two different instances where Caitlin Oliver, the ATF DNA section chief, who was the defense witness, testified that it was like at least one trillion times more likely that it was Tyler Robinson's DNA.
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00:19:30.000The preliminary hearing in the state of Utah versus Tyler Robinson wrapped up this, I guess, depending on which part of the country you are, this early afternoon or late morning.
00:19:41.000And we are now going to, we're moving up our recap a little bit here just to make sure that it's all fresh.
00:19:49.000And so there's not as much evidence that was presented today, but that's okay because there is some really important, I guess, developments that we need to cover right now here to help us do it.
00:20:11.000We've got a lot of little details here to wrap up, and I'm going to update the audience on them first, and then we're going to get to your perspective of what's happened and then some bigger concepts that I think are important to explore.
00:20:26.000So just after court wrapped, the preliminary hearing wrapped, Statement made by the Kirk family.
00:20:35.000And I'm going to read that, and then there was a filing as well.
00:20:40.000The conclusion of the preliminary hearing marks an important step forward in the pursuit of justice for Charlie.
00:20:47.000Our family is grateful for the prayer, support, and kindness that has been extended to us, especially through these unimaginably painful and emotionally damaging, demanding proceedings.
00:20:58.000As difficult as these last few days have been, it brings our family comfort to know.
00:21:02.000That the world has witnessed the overwhelming evidence of what occurred to Charlie that day.
00:21:08.000Nothing will ever undo the loss of our beloved Charlie.
00:21:11.000As this case moves into its next phase, we pray that truth will continue to be heard through a process that is fair, transparent, and grounded in the facts.
00:21:19.000Okay, so the Kirk family, that would be obviously Erica, along with Rob, Charlie's father, and Kathy, Charlie's mother, issued that jointly on behalf of the family.
00:21:30.000Then, immediately after Steve, And Blake, the family representative, Jeff Nyman, issued, he put forward a filing sort of requesting prompt resolution to the matter of probable cause, right?
00:21:46.000So that is the legal threshold that must be reached in order to take this to a full trial.
00:21:51.000So in this, and I believe we have the image here, he filed this like almost immediately.
00:21:58.000He said, We are approaching the one year anniversary of Charlie's assassination, which is just mind boggling on its face.
00:22:06.00010 months have passed since the defendant's arrest, and the five day preliminary hearing has now concluded.
00:22:12.000The defendant is entitled to a fair trial, and he must receive one, but he is not entitled to cause undue delay in the criminal justice process.
00:22:20.000The family is likewise entitled to a speedy resolution.
00:22:24.000Utah Code 77387 provides that, the victim of a crime has the right to a speedy disposition of the charges free from unwarranted delay caused by or at the behest of.
00:22:37.000The family trusts this court to ensure the case proceeds without further delay.
00:22:42.000We respectfully urge this court to issue its probable cause determination no later than September 1, 2026, which is significant because right now Judge Graff has said that they'll have a hearing on September 1, right?
00:22:56.000Which means that, Steve, we could possibly get to beyond a one year anniversary out before we even know if this is going to go to trial, before a probable cause determination has been made.
00:23:10.000Hours of oral argument at least, plus 35 pages of briefs from each side in that hearing.
00:23:18.000So it could be very tempting for him to kick the can down the road past that hearing date.
00:23:24.000Steve, your thoughts on balancing Judge Graff's balancing act of the constitutional rights of Tyler Robinson with the family's rights to a speedy disposition of justice?
00:23:36.000Well, guys, I did some of my own research today, and then I've heard from some other folks way more knowledgeable on this kind of procedure legally.
00:23:45.000And this is very abnormal the amount of time that it takes to get to this juncture.
00:23:52.000The only thing that I can say that Because I do think overall, based on what I've seen this week, I do think the judge has been conscientious.
00:24:00.000The only thing I can think of to justify this length of time is twofold.
00:24:04.000Number one, because of how high profile this is, this is the most high profile martyring in America, at least since the summer of 68, when you had RFK and then MLK that spring.
00:24:19.000This is the most viewed murder in all of human history.
00:24:23.000And so, therefore, and then the unprecedented cottage industry of You know, wackadoodle conspiracy theories that have come up surrounding it over the last several months.
00:24:33.000That he is trying to do everything he can to make sure this case is open and shut and doesn't give an obvious room for appeal, and is trying to do everything he can to make sure that all I's are dotted and all T's are crossed.
00:24:44.000And then maybe hoping that this may never go to trial, that with the amount of time that all this evidence has mounted and been simmering, I think that you have watched within our movement and industry over the last 72 hours.
00:24:58.000There have been a lot of people jumping ship.
00:25:00.000Or turning around and saying to a lot of the wackadoodle conspiracy theorists, you know, this just is, we're off the reservation here.
00:25:07.000We shouldn't have let it get to this far.
00:25:09.000And at this juncture, you guys essentially have excommunicated yourselves.
00:25:13.000And so maybe he's hoping that with this amount of evidence out there, that that might maybe motivate the Tyler Robinson folks to take a plea deal, to avoid a trial, living through all this evidence all over again.
00:25:28.000And we can now just say justice was done and move on.
00:25:32.000But those are the only two things, and I'm projecting in both of those.
00:25:37.000Those are the only two things I could find for any rationale for this length of time to get to the point of even declaring probable cause, especially when you're looking at the amount of open and shut evidence there is.
00:25:50.000You know, I was watching today when the defense attorneys were attempting five different ways to ask a question that was inadmissible and kept getting sustained and thrown out to try and question the DNA sequencing of their own witness.
00:26:03.000And if you're trying to, if that's where you're at in your defense, you're trying to frame your own witness to the point that you're getting frequent objections against your own questions at that point, then I think you can see the shaky ground the defense is on here because of just how overwhelming this evidence is.
00:26:21.000You're 1,000% right here, and that was my big takeaway.
00:26:24.000There wasn't much activity in the courtroom today as far as new evidence, but the one witness that was called forward by the defense ended up making great points for the state.
00:27:34.000We would not report a number higher than 1 trillion.
00:27:36.000It looks like you also did a probability statistic as well in paragraph E.
00:27:41.000The probability of an unrelated individual in the population who has not contributed DNA to the sample yielding this level of support is less than 1 in a trillion.
00:28:04.000Yeah, they were saying, yeah, trillion trillion.
00:28:06.000So they just cap it out at one in the number of cells in your body, I think.
00:28:10.000And by the way, I was getting bombarded with texts, Steve, from people that are in the legal profession, former prosecutors, all this kind of stuff, unrelated to the case, but they're watching it, right?
00:28:21.000And they just kept the same guy that's doing all the forensic, you know, witness questioning.
00:28:28.000On behalf of the defense, it is really hard to listen to.
00:28:32.000It is completely not fun to watch, right?
00:28:35.000This is not riveting TV, and I think that's the point.
00:28:39.000But they kept making the point that it is really going to turn a jury off and it's going to exasperate the judge.
00:28:46.000It's not a good winning strategy here.
00:28:49.000So that's the defense's best shot, okay?
00:28:51.000Now let's go back to what you just said about the plea deal.
00:28:54.000And this is, I think, actually a little bit more interesting here because during the course of the week, You saw the defense fighting tooth and nail to keep out what are called enhancements.
00:29:03.000Enhancements are legally important because that's what justifies a death penalty in a case like this, right?
00:29:09.000So if you can put an enhancement, and Blake, actually, you know this pretty well because you know the case history.
00:29:14.000Yes, it's just you need, unfortunately, our glorious Supreme Court in one of its slightly more liberal eras said that you can't just have the death penalty as a default penalty for murder.
00:29:33.000We need it to be a politically motivated crime.
00:29:35.000We need to potentially be a crime that endangers minors.
00:29:38.000That's another way they can go for it.
00:29:39.000They have a few different ways they can get it, but by far the most likely is that he was motivated to target Charlie.
00:29:48.000I think they're going a lot for that because of Charlie's religion, because then it's basically a religiously motivated hate crime enhancement that they could go for.
00:29:55.000So you see them fighting for that, but the judge ultimately allowed the exhibit from David Englehart, who's one of the board members, explaining the mission.
00:30:05.000Of Turning Point and explaining how deeply integrated Charlie's Christian faith was to some of his positions, say, on the trans issue or on genders and sex, right?
00:30:15.000So that ended up getting admitted into evidence, right?
00:30:18.000Not only that, but you had the political motivations in the text messages where it says, some hate just can't be negotiated out.
00:30:38.000There are multiple pieces of that puzzle that explain the why.0.80
00:30:42.000And so I don't understand what leg they're going to have to stand on.
00:30:45.000But the point is, if they were able to successfully argue against some of those enhancements or those pieces of evidence that would lead to the enhancements, you know, from being admitted as evidence, maybe that changes their plea calculation.
00:30:58.000Yeah, I think at this point, if they weren't thinking this going in, I have to believe after the week that they just endured as counsel, Tyler's defense, their main role at this point is just saving his life.
00:31:12.000I mean, the evidence here is pretty overwhelming.
00:31:14.000And so that's probably all this is about, or at least it's a prime directive, is saving his life.
00:31:20.000And, you know, there's a balance here in that, on one hand, we want him to have this kind of vigorous defense.
00:31:28.000We want him to have this kind of detailed defense.
00:31:31.000He has real attorneys, folks that have represented people like the Menendez brothers.
00:31:35.000These aren't just, you know, public defenders appointed by the court for some lowly soul who couldn't afford otherwise.
00:31:42.000You want him to be scrutinized under a rigorous defense on his behalf because, again, how important this case is, the precedent that is being set here.
00:31:53.000And how precedent setting this senseless tragedy and assassination was.
00:31:58.000And so you want every stone turned over.
00:32:02.000You want everything explored so that no one is left to remain.
00:32:05.000I'm just asking questions for another nine or 10 months of a grift.
00:32:09.000We want to have all that stuff exhausted and thrown out there.
00:32:12.000But there's a line between that, which does serve the system we have, whether we like it or not, it is the system we have.
00:32:19.000There's a line there somewhere between that.
00:32:22.000And now we're just exasperating people and exhausting this.
00:32:26.000And we're delaying justice for a family here when the evidence is pretty overwhelming.
00:32:30.000And so I think we can certainly say after five days of this this week that this evidence is pretty overwhelming.
00:32:35.000And if maybe at the start of this week with a hearing that was already delayed by two months anyway, it was supposed, as you guys know and your audience knows, to take place in May.
00:32:43.000So we've already delayed it by a couple of months already to get here to July.
00:32:47.000Now you're talking about delaying it another couple of months just to get to really the first key official juncture of a declarative judgment, one way or another.
00:34:20.000We heard Lance Twiggs say he confessed to me in person, crying, saying he didn't want to do it, or he wishes he hadn't done it.
00:34:28.000And I think that, in concert with the physical evidence we have, just makes it.
00:34:35.000Absolutely overwhelming, and people will fixate on whether they have 100, you know, can they match this bullet to the exact gun, or is it only the same category?
00:34:46.000That is so beside the point when all evidence you have supports the claim that Tyler Robinson did it, and when you have direct confession to it.
00:35:08.000I'm just getting some breaking here right now.
00:35:12.000And I think we, this is public, it's public domain.
00:35:16.000This is from Heidi Hatch, KUTV reporter.
00:35:20.000So she says, and we're pulling this video, but after the defense final DNA witness, the court allowed the family to watch the zoomed in surveillance video from Utah Valley University.
00:35:31.000Okay, remember a little bit, rewind the tape here.
00:35:34.000There was a huge rigmarole about the enhanced video, right?
00:35:39.000Yeah, zoomed in, and the quality I'm being told is surprisingly high.
00:35:47.000And this, they called it the John Madden kind of style video because, you know, I think they circle it and they zoom in, they draw your eye to kind of where Tyler's walking around on campus.
00:35:57.000She said, Heidi Hatch says, even zoomed in, the quality of the video is surprisingly high.
00:36:03.000Because remember, there's press in the courtroom that was able to watch this as well.
00:36:07.000It just wasn't broadcast to the public.
00:36:09.000You could see the man on the roof, reportedly, this is her words, reportedly Tyler Robinson getting down into that, Whine or prone position before the shot was fired.
00:36:20.000The video showing Robinson allegedly returning to campus with jeans on shows that very distinct limp with the rifle likely in the leg of his pants.
00:36:32.000We have another source, someone who was able to see it.
00:36:34.000He says, You see the person that we believe is Tyler Robinson.
00:36:38.000You can see them go over the guardrail, crouch down to assemble the rifle, run across the roof, crouch down, take the shot at the time where we know the shot happened at 12 23 28.
00:36:52.000So, you see this person roll over the sort of railing or whatever that was to the rooftop of the Losey Center.
00:37:00.000And then Heidi goes on this is again the KUTV local reporter there in Salt Lake City.
00:37:06.000She says, heartbreaking to watch Erica Kirk and Charlie's parents as they watched in greater detail these final moments before Charlie was shot and killed on campus.
00:37:18.000So, they did watch him assemble the rifle.
00:37:22.000Go over the railing, and the enhanced video is apparently extraordinarily clear and visual.
00:38:31.000So, and it looks like they also, yeah, in the enhanced video, it makes it more clear the limp is he has a rifle shaped object in his pants.
00:38:40.000It seems they're able to zoom in and make that.
00:38:43.000Another reporter actually just reached out to me and said the enhanced surveillance video Jeff Nyman, the Kirk family representative, got the court to play at the end was the single most damning piece of evidence in the state's arsenal.
00:39:11.000And for an independent reporter to say that to me is, yeah, and I hope these journalists write about it.
00:39:21.000And actually, I think we might be getting Jack Pasobic, he might be joining just to describe what he saw because I believe he was inside the courtroom.
00:39:33.000Steve, I don't know if you have any thoughts on that, but my instant reaction is I can't imagine what Erica and Rob and Kathy must have been feeling. to see it in that vivid detail.
00:39:46.000Most people, most murder cases, and this is what's so funny about the internet.
00:39:50.000The internet's like, well, you can't see his face and it's blurry.
00:39:55.000Most murder convictions happen without video of the actual incident.
00:40:00.000In this instance, we have this luxury of hours of footage watching him meander around campus and case it out.
00:40:47.000I don't know how the judge can possibly watch the family go through witnessing that and then say, but we're going to hold you off here for about two more months to try to get the first phase of closure.
00:41:01.000I just, again, like I said a few minutes ago, there's a line somewhere between conscientiousness and exasperation.
00:41:09.000And I said that before you told me about this video, guys.
00:41:12.000And now with this video, we're way over that line.
00:41:16.000Like that line is not even, we're so far past it now that it's not even in the rear view.
00:41:28.000And it's just very clear here that the Kirk family has deserved at least stage one of closure as soon as absolutely possible here.
00:41:39.000As for the skeptics and stuff online, again, I don't ever have a problem with people asking questions about anything.
00:41:47.000My issue is, and a lot of our institutions, and I know the three of us agree with this.
00:41:51.000A lot of our institutions are deserving and have worked hard to earn all this skepticism that has been pent up over the last few years, for sure.
00:41:58.000The question is where do we go for answers, right?
00:42:01.000And it would be one thing if these people were just going to question the official narrative.
00:42:08.000The other thing, to try to shift the guilt of this crime, even to Charlie's widow herself, and to try to hold on to these narratives as this evidence mounts, is just particularly reprehensible and despicable and just wicked and evil.
00:42:26.000And then, thirdly, I think we have a real teachable moment here, just for all of us that do this for a living.
00:42:31.000And that is when we have events, when there's going to be things like trials, there's going to be things like hearings, evidence is going to be presented.
00:42:39.000You know, we don't really have to all be in a hurry to be wrong.
00:42:43.000You know, there's going to be a process, and it's going to be somewhat transparent, and we're going to get answers.
00:42:48.000And you don't have to look like a clown when it's all over.
00:42:51.000You can just say, you know what, I kind of just want to wait and see what the evidence says.
00:42:56.000I saw Don Jr. say that the other day after leaving the courtroom.
00:43:07.000It's okay to not know everything, to not have an immediate take on everything, and to just let processes play itself out, particularly something that is as personal and as tragic as this particular circumstance.
00:43:18.000I'm going to play this local news reporter, Heidi Hatch, her recounting of this video, SOP 33.
00:43:25.000The Tyler Robinson hearing has adjourned for the day and for the entire hearing.
00:43:29.000The defense finished with their final DNA witness from the ATF.
00:43:33.000After that, the judge allowed the family to view without it being broadcast.
00:43:38.000The zoomed in surveillance video from Utah Valley University, the quality was surprisingly high.
00:43:44.000A lot more detail you could see of the man that is reportedly Tyler Robinson making his way through campus, up and down the stairs, into the parking garage, and even zoomed in on the roof where you can see the man who is reportedly Robinson lying down into that prone position before the shots were fired.
00:44:01.000As that came up on that video, that zoomed in video, Erica Kirk breaking down in tears, as well as Katherine, her mother in law, Charlie's mother, clinging to each other, hugging each other as that video played out.
00:46:19.000None of us are deserving of mercy, and that's why it's called grace.
00:46:22.000So, I think that for those who sincerely want to come forward, Sincerely want to apologize, sincerely want to repent.
00:46:31.000First and foremost, apologize to Erica and the entire family.
00:46:36.000I think that they deserve an honest hearing in terms of the integrity and the sincerity of that apology and that repentance.
00:46:48.000Therefore, by the grace of God, go I, forgive us our trespasses, Lord, as we forgive those who trespass against us.
00:46:55.000But here's the thing forgiveness and trust are not necessarily the same thing.
00:47:00.000And I do think there's quite a few people whose trust level through this.
00:47:04.000I really believe both Charlie's murder and the aftermath of it was the latest in a series of providential siftings that have taken place in our culture.
00:47:12.000And I think too many people failed this one.
00:47:14.000And I think this is where humility has to come into play.
00:47:16.000You know, the arrogance, there's a reason why Gnosticism was the first heresy in the history of our species because it appeals to our vanity and it appeals to our narcissism and our egos.
00:47:27.000And the idea that you have the secret knowledge, that you have the secret sauce, that you know the stuff.
00:47:40.000This stuff absolutely appeals to our vanity and our narcissism.
00:47:44.000And these devices right here in our hands, you know, 30 years ago when you saw the tabloid in the supermarket, you might have picked it up and looked at it out of fascination.
00:47:52.000But then when you saw the frowns of everybody in the checkout lane next to you, you just kind of smiled nervously and said, Can you believe this stuff?
00:47:57.000And put it on the counter and walked away because you were worried about the public shame of indulging in that.
00:48:05.000And we can all be anonymous and we can all do this a million times.
00:48:08.000And now, captains of industry who would never even pick up such materials in a supermarket checkout lane 30 years ago are now seven pages deep into a Reddit forum on a break they didn't have scheduled and an appointment they had to put off because they can't tear themselves away.
00:48:23.000And I think that this was a very painful lesson that I hope a lot of people learned.
00:48:27.000And then I think that you're watching other people just flat out just demonstrate, frankly, that they're just demonic and satanic influences and I think ought to be treated as such moving forward.
00:48:36.000Well, we have a couple of these examples, Steve.
00:48:41.000Go ahead and throw up the first one that somebody sent me this, but it says, I would like to admit I drank some of the Candace Kool-Aid, and now I feel so gutted for ever believing Erica had anything to do with it.
00:48:58.000And there's actually a second one here that I just found, if I can get it loaded here for us.
00:49:58.000Maybe they were pushing this and they'll just quietly stop talking about it or they'll just make a brief, oh, I was wrong.
00:50:05.000And I really do think that the evidence in this case was so clear for so long and so all encompassing that.
00:50:15.000If a person is who had a platform is going to come back, I think there has to be some expectation of not merely acknowledging that they were incorrect, but I think they have, as you say, they have to apologize and say, I was not just wrong, I made an error.
00:50:32.000I did something, I did something, I think more, I made a moral mistake in going this far down.
00:53:11.000Why don't we just let it play itself out so that we know?
00:53:14.000And I didn't begrudge anybody who didn't want to believe anything until it got to court.
00:53:18.000Where I got really pretty pushy in the pushback is when now you've got alternative theories based on absolutely nothing that are just clear biblical, violating clear biblical mandates against the tormenting of widows.
00:53:31.000And what's went on here with Erica for the last six to eight months, it's the most wicked and vile thing I've seen in my entire lifetime.
00:53:37.000I mean, it's just literally a main line from hell itself.
00:53:40.000It's just wicked, it's just unnatural.
00:53:59.000Somebody this week told me, and it was one of those one liners that kind of like, you know, stops you in your tracks, and just said, Erica Kirk is the most defamed person in human history.0.68
00:54:21.000For being the dutiful wife of the most high profile martyr in the history of our world.
00:54:28.000This is the most viewed murder in the history of our world.
00:54:31.000But there's a missing piece here I want to make sure we hit.
00:54:34.000This all transpired, I believe, because of what happened after Charlie's murder.
00:54:39.000And that is the most viewed proclamation of the gospel that this world has ever seen.
00:54:44.000In all my years, in my 23 years walking with the Lord, coming out of that memorial was the first time I thought there was a real chance we might be able to unite around first principles as believers.
00:54:56.000And so I don't think it's a coincidence at all that the enemy said, oh, snap, can't let that happen, and mobilized as fast as he could.
00:55:04.000Like I mentioned, Don Jr. recently or earlier here on this talk, I'd be willing to bet you that Don Jr. told more people about who St. Stephen was than they've heard in the American church anywhere, Catholic or Protestant, in the last 30 years.
00:55:17.000All right, more people came out of that with more church and more Bible than they have any singular event in the history of this hemisphere.
00:55:23.000That was like every George Whitefield and Jonathan Edwards revival and sermon in just one afternoon.
00:55:30.000And I don't think it's any coincidence that coming after that then is when the enemy marshaled his forces, particularly ones he had strategically placed, and let them loose right at that time to try to knife us and divide us.
00:55:40.000And I think moving forward, two things I think we have to learn one, skepticism, we do need to remain skeptical of things.
00:55:47.000I mean, I. As far as I know, I'm the only person that wrote two best selling books debunking the COVID narrative.
00:55:52.000But here's the thing I didn't offer alternative theories or projections.
00:55:59.000I didn't just wing it, you know, because I didn't want to get sued by Anthony Fauci and everybody else.
00:56:04.000So I used often their own data against them, their own assumptions against them.
00:56:08.000And I think this brings me to point two there's a thing, there's cynicism, which is against a biblical worldview.
00:56:14.000If your worldview begins with the premise that God supernaturally intervened in human history, To raise a dead man to life, then cynicism is not permitted for the believer.
00:56:32.000Well, that gets me to the second point here.
00:56:36.000When you start purporting things that just don't line up with common sense, no, no, I don't think Nancy 42157, if that's even a real person, I don't think you care more about Charlie and what happened to him than his wife.
00:56:53.000And no, I don't think Candace Owens thinks and cares more about Tyler Robinson's fate and his potential innocence than every single member of his family and his high profile defense team.
00:57:05.000And I think when you're somebody like Sean Ryan and you're asking questions of somebody like this a week before this proceeding, I think you need to ask questions like that like, hey, has the defense called you up?
00:57:13.000Have they shown any interest in what you have to say?
00:57:16.000Have you gone to Utah to offer, you know, your proffer up your results?0.99
00:57:19.000Rather than just sitting there and providing affirmative platforms like this for just absolute raw sewage garbage.0.85
00:57:26.000And I think when we are defying clear common sense, when you think you care more about the people involved in this story than the people involved in the story, there's a pretty good, it's pretty highly likely that you're engaged in some form of idolatry.
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01:01:00.000But people who have been in media long enough, who have been around news stories long enough, should be able to put two and two together that the evidence in this case adds up almost to the point where this could be a clinic you would put on.
01:01:17.000In, like, a criminal justice laboratory to show all the different types of evidence that can be available in a case.
01:01:30.000You have basically every single piece of evidence that could be obtained exists.
01:01:36.000And if someone is going to take all of that and say, I reject all of it, I just think it's all fake, I'm not going to explain to you how it was faked, I'm just going to say it, and I'm going to assert another completely wild theory that's mutually exclusive.
01:01:48.000With the three other theories that I'm going to run with, none of which have any evidence, that person is acting with ill will.
01:01:55.000That person is willfully choosing to believe something that is not true because it'll get them attention, it'll get them views, it'll get them clicks, it'll get them money, it will allow them to hurt other people.
01:02:11.000Nope, finish your thought, please, Steve.
01:02:13.000I was just going to say, Blake, that the irony of everything you just said is those same people would laugh and mock those who virtue signaled with their Vax cards, the Ukraine flags, their masks in their bios.
01:02:23.000They're just the other side of the exact same coin as what you just described.
01:02:33.000I totally agree with that, by the way.
01:02:35.000I think the team is loading it right now from Benny Johnson.
01:02:38.000He also had a chance to look at this enhanced video.
01:02:43.000We're getting more and more details here.
01:02:47.000He said, every moment, every movement of Tyler Robinson that day captured in full quality HD, zoomed in some footage in 4K, tracking all his movements.
01:02:58.000You can see crystal clear Tyler Robinson's face.
01:03:02.000The license plate number on his vehicle.
01:03:05.000That was another point of controversy with some of this, the Dodge Charger.
01:03:11.000There was apparently one of the people in the houses with the ring camera said they thought it was a bald person with three people, but instantly we sort of knew in the whole scheme of all the mounting evidence that it was probably just an eyewitness kind of got confused about it because the ring camera had the actual stuff.
01:03:27.000Anyway, so you can see the license plate on the vehicle, details on his clothing.
01:03:34.000And his actions on the rooftop, and you can time every horrifying detail to the minute Charlie Kirk was murdered.
01:03:41.000What the public couldn't see was the emotion in the courtroom Charlie's family sobbing uncontrollably, Erica in Mrs. Kirk's senior's arms, Charlie's father comforting them.
01:03:52.000Just feet away sat a pale, lifeless, emaciated Tyler Robinson.
01:03:56.000I'm reading Benny's words, who stared at the floor with no remorse as he listened to the weeping.
01:04:02.000He says Robinson has never once looked at Erica this entire trial.
01:04:09.000The entire courtroom gassed when the video was over.
01:04:13.000Eventually, this footage will be released.
01:04:15.000It was really tough to relive that day in such gruesome detail.
01:04:41.000Jeffrey Nyman was successful in getting this viewed within the court.
01:04:47.000Erica and her family completely deserve to see this.
01:04:51.000And I think Jeff basically said, for the sake of processing this, when he was making his comments to the judge, he said they deserve to see this.
01:05:01.000Why are we here if this isn't to actually see the evidence?
01:05:06.000And he said they deserve this so that they can process this moment properly.
01:05:12.000I'm so heartbroken for them that they had to see that it even existed.
01:05:22.000But I'm grateful that they got to rip the band aid, see it, and I think it's so important for processing this.
01:05:30.000And so, is there anything specific in that video?
01:05:36.000Oh, I'm trying to figure out if Jack's going to be joining us in just a second.
01:05:50.000Steve, you are a very thoughtful man, and you understand the difference between pragmatism and pure idealism, something you and I have talked about when it comes to politics.
01:06:06.000If we're going to rebuild this coalition the way Charlie was doing it, what needs to happen next?
01:06:16.000First, I would urge everyone within the sound of our voices to pray that the judge reconsiders.
01:06:22.000There's no reason why this couldn't be done on August 1st.
01:06:24.000It's still almost four weeks, three and a half weeks until then.
01:06:31.000Because I think the sooner that we can get something definitive on this and some closure for the family, but then also for us as a movement, the sooner we can go about trying to answer these questions.
01:06:44.000Because I think we're going to have a hard time answering that question until there's a more definitive outlook on the outcome of this case.
01:06:52.000Then we'll just see you again in two months.
01:06:54.000I think that's a wild answer you just gave, Steve.
01:07:01.000The fate of the movement that Charlie cared so much about, that he was so instrumental in building, is directly tied to closure and his assassination trial.
01:07:15.000Like, that's a wild thing to just even wrap your head around.
01:07:20.000Please, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I, it's no, no, but yeah, because it's what's opened up the fissure of what he was holding together, um, is his death and the aftermath of it.
01:07:30.000And, um, I think the certainty of, of, of, What caused that death, and then the outcome for Tyler Robbins and the one who committed to that cause.
01:07:39.000I think that's the first step in letting a lot of people.
01:07:43.000You can already see just from the volume of notes you guys are getting in right now as an organization, as a show, the amount of people who are like coming in from like a fog, you know, from like a spiritual malaise that's clearing up now.
01:07:58.000Like a spell has been broken here, right?
01:08:01.000And so I think that the spellcasters have got to be confronted.
01:08:05.000I think the spellcasters, you got to find out who did so maliciously.
01:08:09.000You know, one of my favorite lines from Augustine is, There are many sheep without, but many wolves within.
01:08:15.000And I think one of the things that we've done to Charlie posthumously, and I saw this after when Reagan passed away as well, that you saw the more amicable Reagan.
01:08:25.000You didn't see the rendezvous with destiny Reagan.
01:08:27.000They didn't show a lot of those clips.
01:08:29.000This idea that the guy went from, you know, a lifeguard to president of the United States, just dropping quippy one liners all the way.
01:08:37.000You know, and being not a threat to any evil in the world whatsoever.
01:08:41.000And so there's this idea that Charlie was just this kind of very gracious host of these forums on these campuses and wasn't a warrior.
01:10:14.000He, it's, I mean, it's just like the officer said earlier in the, I guess it was day one, that he walks up over the guardrail, goes down, and you could see him kind of working on something.
01:10:26.000And it's, you know, I believe that's when he was assembling the rifle.
01:11:12.000And he gets to 12 23, and you see him take the shot, and he gets back up, and then he, you know, he runs across, and you've seen the end of it already where he, you know, makes the jump, but it's all there.
01:15:09.000It's like, you know, you know how when he first, when we didn't know who Tyler Robinson was and they put out that first video of him dropping off the, you know, the awning, I guess, of the Losey building.
01:15:23.000It's, yeah, it's just that it's like the, I guess the five minutes or so prior to that.
01:15:31.000So it looks pretty similar to that in terms of quality.
01:15:36.000It's just that same, it's just a zoom in process.
01:16:42.000And for Real America's Voice, thank you for taking this recap special all week long to honor our friend and to do our part as we look for and seek justice for Charlie.
01:16:54.000And I think it's a really important week.
01:16:56.000We're going to look back on it and think of it as a really, really important week.
01:16:59.000And you all have been an important part of that.