The Charlie Kirk Show - Tyler Robinson's Court Appearance + AI Founding Fathers

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00:01:09.000 All right.

00:01:09.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:12.000 It is Thursday, December 11th.

00:01:13.000 Blake, how you doing?

00:01:15.000 Doing lovely.

00:01:16.000 Love to hear that.

00:01:17.000 We are honored on this program to have a guest right out the gate who is a great American and a massive patriot and a good friend of the show's.

00:01:27.000 And that is, of course, Glenn Beck.

00:01:30.000 Glenn Beck, can you hear us?

00:01:32.000 Are we connected?

00:01:33.000 I can.

00:01:33.000 How are you?

00:01:34.000 Oh, wonderful.

00:01:34.000 Good to see you.

00:01:36.000 Good to see you, Blake.

00:01:37.000 Hello.

00:01:38.000 Yeah, I am.

00:01:39.000 We're so honored to have you, Glenn.

00:01:40.000 You, of course, interviewed Erica this morning as she is promoting Charlie's final book on behalf of her husband.

00:01:49.000 This was when the book was written about a month.

00:01:51.000 It was finished about a month before Charlie was taken from us.

00:01:55.000 And she, you know, is doing this admirable, brave thing of going out and talking to people like you about that book.

00:02:04.000 What was your conversation like?

00:02:06.000 Tell us about it, Glenn.

00:02:07.000 I just love her.

00:02:11.000 You know, I didn't want to, I didn't, I didn't want to get into, you know, what she was talking about yesterday.

00:02:18.000 And, you know, we've talked about this before privately.

00:02:24.000 I think what's happening to everybody at TPUSA is just evil.

00:02:29.000 I mean, it really is evil.

00:02:31.000 I think it's emotional disturbance, it's mental health and evil all mixed up.

00:02:40.000 And I've never seen anything like it.

00:02:43.000 And what you guys have been accused of and what she's been accused of is just so I didn't want to talk to her about that.

00:02:52.000 I think I asked her one question and I don't even remember what it was, but her answer was so strong and so clear.

00:03:01.000 But I really thought, because today on my show, the whole show is really about finding the humanity again, because we're losing our humanity towards one another.

00:03:12.000 How can you possibly, how can you possibly treat Erica and you guys the way you've been treated?

00:03:22.000 We're three months.

00:03:24.000 I couldn't believe that when my producer said, you know, yesterday was the three-month anniversary.

00:03:28.000 I was like, three-month anniversary from what?

00:03:30.000 And from Charlie.

00:03:32.000 And I'm like, three months?

00:03:34.000 It's only been three months.

00:03:37.000 It seems like a year has passed.

00:03:40.000 And then I started thinking about all of the things that have been said about you guys, of how we've gone from this amazing God movement to where we're at in three months.

00:03:55.000 Just screams. 0.53

00:03:56.000 It's got to be evil that is pushing all of this.

00:04:00.000 But anyway, we had a great conversation about Charlie, very human, you know, how he was trying to not blow out his adrenal glands.

00:04:13.000 She didn't know this.

00:04:14.000 That's what happened to me when I was at Fox.

00:04:15.000 I had two staffs, I had a daytime staff and a nighttime staff because you have to work all the time, all the time.

00:04:22.000 And I slept for three hours a night.

00:04:24.000 And, you know, with as many performances and everything else you're doing all day long, your adrenal glands just up, down, up, down, up, down.

00:04:31.000 And she was saying the same thing was happening with him.

00:04:34.000 And she said, if it, you know, we needed the Sabbath, and he knew that.

00:04:40.000 And it's funny because that's exactly what happened with my wife. 1.00

00:04:43.000 My wife was the one who was like, Sabbath day, keep the Sabbath day holy.

00:04:47.000 And it's hard.

00:04:48.000 And I asked her about it, and she said, you know, we, you know, we did kind of struggle with it a bit.

00:04:56.000 She said, you know, if we couldn't make the Sabbath, he would divide that time up throughout the week.

00:05:02.000 She's like, and it was just so human because it was, it was, you know, we're not perfect.

00:05:08.000 We are human, but we believe in it.

00:05:10.000 And so we're not going to become legalistic about it.

00:05:13.000 We're going to do what we can to obey God.

00:05:20.000 And I just, I, I just thought it was great.

00:05:23.000 Yeah.

00:05:23.000 Well, I mean, you know, listen, you've, you've been amazing, Glenn.

00:05:27.000 And yeah, I mean, on the one hand, it's like, you know, we're going to be addressing some of this on Monday on the 15th.

00:05:36.000 I'm looking forward to it.

00:05:37.000 Trust me.

00:05:38.000 And we've been trying our best to stay on mission, stay focused.

00:05:44.000 We've got a lot of just basic things that we got to get done on a daily basis around here.

00:05:49.000 And we've been trying our best, but it's gone to a point.

00:05:53.000 And I was really grateful that Erica said what she said yesterday.

00:05:57.000 And we'll be addressing it.

00:05:59.000 But I would say this.

00:06:02.000 Some of it is just so laughably insane that what are you going to say?

00:06:07.000 You want to dignify some of this stuff with an answer?

00:06:10.000 Some of it comes from, I would say, probably a love for Charlie, having good faith, and people want answers.

00:06:18.000 I totally can respect that.

00:06:20.000 But when it blurs into insinuations, innuendos, accusations, I think that's when it goes too far.

00:06:27.000 And I think, you know, there will be a time and a place.

00:06:30.000 And I believe all will be revealed in time.

00:06:33.000 All will be revealed.

00:06:34.000 We were talking, I asked her, I said, are you concerned about a jury pool?

00:06:41.000 You know, we're a year away.

00:06:44.000 How do you get a jury that has not been tainted by all of this stuff?

00:06:49.000 I mean, you may not see justice in this country.

00:06:55.000 And not, you know, the first time I recognized how African Americans felt, because, you know, as a white person, you're like, oh, well, you know, all of that's in the past and we kind of solved that.

00:07:10.000 And Martin Luther King died, but we all kind of get it now. 1.00

00:07:13.000 And blah, blah, blah, you know, just stupid white people think. 1.00

00:07:17.000 And when O.J. Simpson, when that happened, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is a wholly different animal here. 1.00

00:07:29.000 You just mean like the media circus around it?

00:07:31.000 Is that what you're?

00:07:32.000 No, I mean the fact that the jury, the jury could look at that evidence and say, nope, not guilty.

00:07:40.000 And I think all of them, if not the majority of them, came back afterwards and said, yeah, that wasn't.

00:07:46.000 That was in the moment.

00:07:48.000 You know, we were wrong about that.

00:07:53.000 And how that innocent verdict came out showed me that it's really hard to get people to do to stay neutral if they come into it with a certain mindset.

00:08:09.000 It's really hard.

00:08:10.000 Have you ever been on a jury?

00:08:11.000 I've been on a jury before with a person that was a rapist stalker. 0.94

00:08:17.000 And oh my gosh.

00:08:18.000 Have you ever been on a jury that was a serious jury?

00:08:21.000 No.

00:08:21.000 Like that?

00:08:22.000 No.

00:08:22.000 No?

00:08:23.000 It is so incredible because you try so hard not to bring your own feelings into it.

00:08:32.000 You try really hard not to think of it as television.

00:08:36.000 You know, like, well, it'll be solved in 30 minutes.

00:08:42.000 You are dealing with 12, you know, or 11 other people, and you can't really get some of the questions that you really want answered, answered.

00:08:54.000 I mean, I can't tell you how many times we brought the judge in and went, well, wait a minute, we don't understand this.

00:08:58.000 And he's like, I can't help you.

00:08:59.000 It is what it is.

00:09:01.000 And it's so hard.

00:09:03.000 You add on top of that a year of, you know, it was really the Jews and Erica Kirk that did it. 0.87

00:09:11.000 You're going to have, you have one person in that jury room that is coming in with that mindset.

00:09:17.000 It's going to be impossible to convict.

00:09:20.000 It's going to be.

00:09:21.000 Well, and I mean, here's what I will say.

00:09:24.000 So we've got actually a procedural hearing today with Tyler Robinson in Utah.

00:09:31.000 It's mostly going to be about, you know, the conduct of the media and what they can show, what they can't.

00:09:37.000 The news is that he's going to be there in person.

00:09:41.000 And I have to, but there's not going to be, substantively, it's going to be, this is not a probable cause hearing.

00:09:46.000 This is not an evidentiary hearing.

00:09:49.000 But, you know, the good news is, I mean, I just encourage people, read the charging document.

00:09:55.000 Read the charging document right there at the beginning.

00:09:59.000 And this thing, I mean, they have so much evidence.

00:10:03.000 So much evidence that you've got to have at least some faith that, you know, that people are going to come back to their senses a little bit.

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00:11:19.000 Yeah, I mean, so, Glenn, picking it up where we just left it, I mean, you know, again, I just encourage people to read the charging document.

00:11:26.000 Now, there are legitimate questions that you could ask.

00:11:30.000 Did people know things beforehand?

00:11:32.000 Did people have, were they queued off?

00:11:35.000 There seemed to be stuff on social media that suggested people knew this was going to happen or something was going to happen.

00:11:41.000 I want to see where those investigations are at.

00:11:44.000 I want to see where those investigations lead.

00:11:46.000 Was he radicalized by somebody?

00:11:48.000 Was there a group?

00:11:49.000 Was there multiple groups?

00:11:50.000 Were there multiple people?

00:11:51.000 Was there money involved?

00:11:52.000 Where did that money come from?

00:11:53.000 Was it foreign or domestic?

00:11:55.000 I'm open to all of those questions, but I just encourage people to read the charging doc documents.

00:12:01.000 They're very, very thorough.

00:12:03.000 Andrew, here's the thing that doesn't make sense to me.

00:12:06.000 I'm not hearing any of this stuff about Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:12:10.000 I'm not hearing any of this. 0.78

00:12:11.000 I'm not hearing that the Jews tried to kill him, that Trump's own staff tried to kill him.

00:12:16.000 We heard some that, you know, was the Secret Service in on it?

00:12:19.000 Was the FBI?

00:12:21.000 What did they know?

00:12:22.000 When did they know it?

00:12:22.000 How come does this cover up, et cetera, et cetera?

00:12:25.000 But not the kind of stuff, not that Melania was in on it.

00:12:34.000 And it just seems relentless.

00:12:37.000 Like it won't stop.

00:12:39.000 I mean, I was with you for the fundraiser on Saturday.

00:12:43.000 And, you know, you guys didn't ask me to come.

00:12:45.000 I came out of my own support of your organization or whatever.

00:12:49.000 And I'm sitting there and I post something on Instagram.

00:12:54.000 My gosh, the response from the people on my Instagram was, you must have sold out.

00:13:02.000 Well, you're getting money from Israel.

00:13:03.000 You're doing.

00:13:04.000 And I'm like, what is happening?

00:13:08.000 The only way I can describe it, I've never, I've done this for 49 years now.

00:13:13.000 And I've seen a lot of stuff in 49 years of broadcast.

00:13:17.000 I've never seen anything, A, like Charlie Kirk's funeral.

00:13:21.000 I prayed for that for 20 years, a revival.

00:13:24.000 I prayed.

00:13:25.000 I stood in that room and I felt the spirit of God.

00:13:29.000 And God came in.

00:13:31.000 And when people started talking about politics, he withdrew.

00:13:34.000 They started talking about God again.

00:13:36.000 He came back in.

00:13:37.000 It was like unreal.

00:13:39.000 I've never felt anything like it before.

00:13:41.000 A miracle, a Moses-sized miracle.

00:13:45.000 The same thing with darkness here.

00:13:47.000 I've never seen anything like it.

00:13:49.000 What's happening is players are being put on the field.

00:13:55.000 You are sifting, right?

00:13:56.000 You're being sifted.

00:13:58.000 And where are you coming out?

00:13:59.000 Are you going to be on God's side?

00:14:01.000 Are you going to be on evil?

00:14:03.000 And I don't think people realize that.

00:14:06.000 Maybe they do, but I'm not sure.

00:14:09.000 These are actually very important times.

00:14:12.000 Yeah, no, I actually really agree.

00:14:15.000 I think when you see an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, like you saw at the memorial, when you saw the vigils all across the country, when you saw people getting saved and baptized, when you saw church pews fill up, especially with young people, and it was Catholic churches, it was Protestant churches, it was evangelical churches.

00:14:35.000 It was across the board, Orthodox churches.

00:14:38.000 You saw it everywhere.

00:14:39.000 But when you see a move of God like that, it does make some sense that the forces of darkness would rise up to counter it.

00:14:51.000 And I think the greater the move of God, the greater the forces of darkness that will rise up to counter it.

00:14:56.000 Real quick, I remember I grew up in Seattle.

00:14:58.000 I moved to Arizona and I saw dark shadows for the first time.

00:15:01.000 And people thought I was stoned, I think, because I just stood out there and I looked at the shadow of my hand on this because I grew up with clouds all the time.

00:15:08.000 And I realized the brighter the light, the sharper the shadows.

00:15:12.000 And that's what you're seeing right now.

00:15:14.000 Yeah, I think that's really well said.

00:15:16.000 Glenn, we could talk about this all day, but we won't because there is news to cover, including you have been making some waves as well.

00:15:25.000 It's not just us.

00:15:26.000 You've been making some yourself with this George Washington AI.

00:15:30.000 This is quite the project that you've endeavored.

00:15:34.000 And I was texting back and forth with your producer, Ricky, and she was sending me all, she was laughing about, she called it the hater aid, which is pretty funny.

00:15:44.000 So, you know, and I will say, when we lost Charlie, and we've talked about it on the show before, we got all these people inquiring, you know, up from AI companies, and we're like, no, We're not going to make an AI charge.

00:15:56.000 But that's not what you're doing here.

00:15:57.000 But I think people get funny when they see people that are not alive brought back to life.

00:16:06.000 But you had your goal.

00:16:08.000 Let's not say brought back to life.

00:16:09.000 Okay, that's right.

00:16:11.000 When they are animated with AI.

00:16:13.000 There you go.

00:16:14.000 So tell us what this project is and what you were endeavoring to do.

00:16:19.000 And you're sitting down having a conversation with an AI George Washington.

00:16:25.000 Okay, so this is really important.

00:16:29.000 This AI is proprietary.

00:16:32.000 It is completely gated off from the rest of the internet and everything else.

00:16:36.000 And it only has original documents in it.

00:16:42.000 So it has the Federalist Papers.

00:16:43.000 It has the Constitution.

00:16:45.000 It has their writings.

00:16:46.000 It has the sermons that they listen to about the freedoms of America.

00:16:51.000 Anything that they said at the time influenced them.

00:16:54.000 That's part of this.

00:16:56.000 And it does not know me.

00:16:58.000 It doesn't know George Soros.

00:17:00.000 It can't tell you anything about the United Nations or Donald Trump or anything.

00:17:03.000 It is only from their documents, and it's all firewalled off.

00:17:08.000 And it is perfect.

00:17:09.000 There's no hallucination because it is required to memorize all of the material.

00:17:15.000 Regular AI with ChatGPT does not do that.

00:17:19.000 So this is a proprietary private bank, if you will.

00:17:26.000 And, you know, it kills me because people are saying, my gosh, he sounds just like Glenn Beck.

00:17:32.000 No, I just sound a little like the founding fathers because I know their words.

00:17:38.000 But what happens is I did an experiment on it.

00:17:42.000 And what you're seeing there, the picture, if you happen to be watching it, if you're listening on radio, it's me sitting down at my interview desk with George Washington.

00:17:52.000 He's in a t-shirt because I don't think anybody is interested in, nobody's going to connect to a guy in a powdered wig in a colonial suit. 1.00

00:18:00.000 And he starts in at the beginning, and I said, we put a bunch of stuff in so he could look at the problems that we were facing.

00:18:07.000 And I said, where did we go wrong?

00:18:09.000 Or if it was you, where would you and the founder start to fix all of this?

00:18:14.000 Well, we have a t-shirt.

00:18:15.000 We have a clip.

00:18:15.000 Yeah.

00:18:16.000 Oh, you do?

00:18:17.000 Yeah, I don't mean to cut you off, Glenn, but we have a clip, I think, of what you're talking about here.

00:18:20.000 It's 49 seconds, so it's a little bit on the longer side, but it's really interesting.

00:18:24.000 Go ahead and play 264.

00:18:26.000 My countrymen, the danger, the greatest danger to our republic lies not in foreign arms or political faction, but in manufacturing.

00:18:35.000 I was going to interrupt you for a second.

00:18:37.000 Could you just dumb it down just a little bit?

00:18:38.000 Okay.

00:18:39.000 Speak in today's language.

00:18:40.000 Okay, okay.

00:18:42.000 I get it.

00:18:46.000 Let me speak to Americans.

00:18:49.000 If I'm honest, America's biggest problem isn't political or economic.

00:18:55.000 It's all moral.

00:18:57.000 We've drifted from the virtues that make liberty possible in the first place.

00:19:02.000 Freedom.

00:19:03.000 To be free, you have to have discipline.

00:19:05.000 You have to have faith.

00:19:06.000 You have to have character.

00:19:08.000 And if you don't have any of those things, laws, laws can't stop anything.

00:19:12.000 They mean little.

00:19:13.000 Government turns either weak or oppressive.

00:19:17.000 So what you'd cut out there was at the beginning, I said, can you dumb it down?

00:19:20.000 And he said, well, I have 29 points that are directly correlated with our documents.

00:19:28.000 And I said, I know, I know, just dumb it down.

00:19:32.000 What this will do will give you all of the original documents, where he's pulling it from.

00:19:38.000 You'll see it in their own handwriting. 0.52

00:19:41.000 And then you can say, dumb it down. 0.54

00:19:44.000 I don't understand that language.

00:19:46.000 I'm trying to share this with an eight-year-old, and it will revamp it so it's understood at an eight-year-old level.

00:19:54.000 This is a new tool to teach, but it has nothing to do with politics.

00:19:58.000 It has everything to do with just their original words.

00:20:03.000 And to watch how the media has come out and called this extremist, et cetera, et cetera.

00:20:10.000 If you listen to what he said, when did personal responsibility?

00:20:15.000 When did self-control?

00:20:17.000 When did rely on yourself and don't look for a savior in a public office?

00:20:23.000 When did all of these things become right-wing controversial?

00:20:28.000 Everything he said was absolute common sense, true, and you can find him in the 29 bullet points and the documents that he pulled them from.

00:20:39.000 Yeah.

00:20:40.000 Well, I think it's fascinating, Glenn.

00:20:42.000 I really do.

00:20:44.000 It's called Torch.

00:20:45.000 Is that the company?

00:20:46.000 How do we get Torch?

00:20:47.000 Torch is you can just go to Glennbeck.com.

00:20:49.000 It launches on January 5th, and it's a new project of mine.

00:20:54.000 It'll be an app that you can get.

00:20:57.000 And George AI has a long way to go on it, but it's a completely different.

00:21:02.000 Well done.

00:21:03.000 Well done, Glenn.

00:21:04.000 I think it's fascinating.

00:21:05.000 I'm going to check it out.

00:21:06.000 God bless you, Glenn Beck.

00:21:07.000 We'll see you soon.

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00:22:11.000 All right, so we have a hearing today.

00:22:14.000 Yes.

00:22:15.000 In Tyler Robinson.

00:22:16.000 Tyler Robinson.

00:22:17.000 He is in court today.

00:22:18.000 We've had digital hearings before.

00:22:20.000 This is an actual in-person one in court.

00:22:25.000 We'll be honest, it's not a very big one in the grand scheme of things.

00:22:28.000 Other than that, it's an early one.

00:22:29.000 This is not about, it's not the trial itself.

00:22:32.000 It's not about evidence related to the trial.

00:22:34.000 It's not jury selection, any of those things.

00:22:36.000 It is a pre-trial hearing to review case status.

00:22:41.000 The most important thing about it, they're discussing whether to have cameras in the courtroom.

00:22:46.000 We, of course, strongly support having cameras in the courtroom.

00:22:48.000 Erica has endorsed having cameras in the courtroom.

00:22:52.000 Robinson's lawyers have argued there should not be, that it would, they literally have a line in here.

00:22:57.000 They've warned it would create a content tornado around the case.

00:23:02.000 It is high profile, and they say this would damage the jury pool.

00:23:05.000 That's their argument.

00:23:07.000 The notable thing about it, he will be allowed to appear in street clothes rather than a prison uniform.

00:23:13.000 He is going to be restrained, shackled, but it has to be sort of light shackles, and they're not allowed.

00:23:22.000 The press is not allowed to photograph him where those are visible.

00:23:25.000 So he'll be restrained, but you're not allowed to see him be restrained.

00:23:29.000 And so apparently the rationale for this is, you know, in the United States, you are innocent until proven guilty, right?

00:23:38.000 The burden of proof lies on the state to make their case.

00:23:41.000 And so there, but there's also some legal 3D chests going on here, right?

00:23:46.000 Because the defense, if he comes out in an orange jumpsuit and he's shackled and he sort of presents as guilty, right, visually, then the defense on appeal could argue any conviction would have to be then thrown out because he was, it was, he buys the jury.

00:24:04.000 There's endless layers.

00:24:05.000 You can have endless appeals on everything and the strategy that goes into that.

00:24:10.000 Yeah, do you want him to look different because that will bias the jury one way, bias them the other way?

00:24:17.000 The restraints, they can make any number of motions on this.

00:24:21.000 Yeah, and apparently the rationale for having him restrained is that, you know, if you look at the charging documents, which again, I recommend everybody just Google it, you know, Tyler Robinson, you know, charging documents.

00:24:36.000 They come right up.

00:24:38.000 And, you know, there is a point at which his parents call Tyler Robinson and say, that looks like you.

00:24:45.000 The footage that we see, that looks like you.

00:24:47.000 You know, did you do it or whatever?

00:24:49.000 He confesses to them that, and then he says something about Charlie having too much hate and you can't negotiate the hate out or whatever at that point.

00:24:58.000 And then he apparently tells his parents that he's going to take his own life.

00:25:02.000 Yeah, so they're doing this.

00:25:03.000 The charges against him are capital charges.

00:25:06.000 They can carry the death penalty.

00:25:07.000 Prosecutors have said they're planning to seek it.

00:25:10.000 And so we have a history of people who are facing severe charges.

00:25:16.000 They can attempt to escape using violence.

00:25:18.000 They can attempt to harm themselves.

00:25:20.000 And so that's the purpose of restraint.

00:25:22.000 Yeah, the point is, so he's indicated at least at some level thoughts of suicide.

00:25:29.000 And what I was told was that even a pen could be used as a potential weapon, right?

00:25:35.000 So that's why they want to keep him shackled, even if it's light shackled, out of camera view, assuming he puts his hands underneath the table or something so you can't see it.

00:25:44.000 But so today is going to be all about media access.

00:25:48.000 And there is going to be a portion of the proceeding that is not public.

00:25:51.000 And apparently that's going to be about security issues.

00:25:55.000 Obviously, that makes sense.

00:25:56.000 High-profile case.

00:25:58.000 They want to make sure that the venue is secure and safe.

00:26:00.000 And they probably don't want to share that information with the public about ingress, egress, how they're going to be approaching the security of the actual venue in which the trial is heard.

00:26:11.000 So I was told, don't expect it to be super substantive.

00:26:16.000 You know, street clothes, lightly shackled.

00:26:18.000 He will not speak.

00:26:19.000 He will acknowledge his presence, but that's probably all we're going to hear from Tyler Robinson.

00:26:24.000 So, you know, can you acknowledge that you are the person that we have in this courtroom?

00:26:28.000 He'll say yes, essentially.

00:26:30.000 Pretty much.

00:26:31.000 That'll be it.

00:26:32.000 Reading through the details on this, you realize just how exceptional this case actually is because it is one of the things that's pointed out.

00:26:41.000 This is the first high-profile criminal case that has occurred in the artificial intelligence era.

00:26:48.000 So I'm reading one of the reports here.

00:26:50.000 Attorney Kathy Nestor, one of his attorneys, I believe, she's pointed out there are already digitally altered versions of Robinson's, you know, his court photos, like the photos that we've actually seen of him in custody.

00:27:04.000 So people have created versions where he has an outburst or where he begins crying.

00:27:10.000 So they've, you know, used AI to create video where there isn't one.

00:27:12.000 Yeah.

00:27:14.000 And we've had that, of course, with the shooting itself.

00:27:18.000 It's going to be, you can somewhat sympathize with them pointing out that this is going to be a totally unprecedented thing.

00:27:24.000 And you have to appreciate that we are, this is what the reality is going to be going forward for every criminal case.

00:27:30.000 For every criminal case imaginable, you're going to have people AI altering videos or creating them from whole cloth.

00:27:37.000 That's the real thing.

00:27:38.000 If they don't allow cameras in the courtroom, we may well have people saying, this is an undercover video that was taken at the trial and it's entirely generated with AI.

00:27:47.000 This is getting way beyond the case, but I'm really shuddering for the future.

00:27:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:52.000 I mean, listen, I mean, Glenn alluded to it.

00:27:55.000 The craziness that we've had to endure is next level.

00:28:02.000 I mean, obviously, you're sort of realizing that this is the high-profile nature of this, of what happened, Charlie's fame.

00:28:12.000 You know, we knew it was going to be huge, but I don't think anybody knew that it was going to take as many turns as Zari has.

00:28:19.000 To Glenn's point, it's three months in.

00:28:21.000 And yeah, we have this first procedural court hearing today.

00:28:27.000 It's not going to be much, but even this, who knows how it's going to be spun.

00:28:31.000 Who knows how it'll be spun?

00:28:32.000 It really, it does.

00:28:33.000 Another thing, we should have a prosecutor from you.

00:28:36.000 We're going to get to talk about this just because I do think we've talked about the theories that are spinning around.

00:28:41.000 I do think a lot of that is produced by there's a lot of psychic energy around this, as it were.

00:28:46.000 People think about this case a lot.

00:28:48.000 It affected a lot.

00:28:49.000 You don't mean that in sort of a way of doing that.

00:28:51.000 Not literally, not literal mind power.

00:28:52.000 You just mean there's a pent-up passion.

00:28:55.000 There's pent-up passion for it.

00:28:57.000 And this could get release if people were able to see a trial unfolding while they're all thinking about this, that they could say, okay, here is the defendant.

00:29:07.000 Here is the evidence.

00:29:08.000 Here is the jury selection.

00:29:10.000 Here is the trial.

00:29:10.000 Here is the verdict.

00:29:12.000 And if it happened in a timely way, which our Constitution guarantees the right to a speedy trial.

00:29:17.000 And if you look historically, high-profile criminal cases have happened quickly within the past hundred years where they're able to put people on trial in a reasonable length of time.

00:29:27.000 But now it's this combination of everything in the court system has slowed down, but everything in the media ecosystem has sped up.

00:29:35.000 So in the day of nightly news and no online, the OJ Simpson trial could go on for a year and people wouldn't totally lose their minds.

00:29:42.000 But imagine if the OJ Simpson trial was happening today, but there was this year-long delay after this giant, spectacular car chase and then actually having a serious trial go on.

00:29:51.000 And imagine if there was AI.

00:29:53.000 And yeah, and AI.

00:29:54.000 Imagine if there was, you know, I mean, all the elements of this really do amount to an explosive media circus.

00:30:02.000 The media tornado thing totally is legitimate.

00:30:06.000 But to Erica's point, which she said with Jesse Waters, you know, everything that we've done has been hyper-scrutinized and hyper-analyzed.

00:30:15.000 Every smile, every comment, everything's so analyzed.

00:30:21.000 And we deserve to see this trial play out before the media.

00:30:26.000 I want to see the evidence presented in a factual, straightforward way.

00:30:34.000 I want almost the American people to be educated in specifics of it.

00:30:37.000 Because it is so easy for these AI-generated things to happen, and because there are so many alternative outlets for just generating wild stuff, that content tornado exists regardless.

00:30:49.000 It is actually, in that case, genuinely important to have the real thing out there existing.

00:30:55.000 And when people try to manipulate it, yes, inevitably, but it does have to exist because if you have no real thing to compete against it, it's going to be a calamity.

00:31:05.000 Well, and I want to compare what we're doing today and the Tyler Robinson trial versus what's going on with Mangione.

00:31:12.000 So Mangioni is doing this.

00:31:15.000 This is also taking forever.

00:31:17.000 Yeah, this is also taking forever.

00:31:19.000 You know, he's having a probable cause hearing in New York City, and that's actually where you start to hear stuff, new information, right?

00:31:27.000 So Mangione is, they're presenting new body cam footage.

00:31:31.000 The defense is saying that some of that evidence was seized illegally, that they didn't have a warrant.

00:31:36.000 So, you're starting to see actually the chess moves by the defense and by the prosecution in that case because they're at a further juncture at that trial, right?

00:31:46.000 So, we're not there yet, but when we get to an evidentiary hearing, a probable cause hearing, which is a step in the process that says, is there enough evidence to take this to a full trial, right?

00:31:56.000 I think in Mangioni's case, of course, it's going to go to a full trial.

00:32:00.000 In Tyler Robinson's case, of course, it's going to go to a full trial, but that's technically what that step is for.

00:32:05.000 And that's when you'll find out: is there enough evidence to proceed?

00:32:08.000 Obviously, there is.

00:32:10.000 So, don't expect that today, but I think I could share your frustration, Blake, in a massive way, especially being on this end of it, where you are a victim of this circumstance, this terrible tragedy, where our friend was murdered in cold blood.

00:32:27.000 And there's this vacuum of time, right, of where people want answers to certain questions.

00:32:34.000 You can only get those answers in a trial, and yet we have to wait here.

00:32:38.000 We're probably looking at March, April for this, right?

00:32:41.000 And it's like, you know, if you're on this end of it, they can drag that out.

00:32:45.000 Yeah, and they could, yeah, they could find ways to drag that out.

00:32:48.000 And then you're probably looking into 2027 for an actual trial.

00:32:52.000 That's what we're staring down right now.

00:32:55.000 I know.

00:32:56.000 And, you know, again, if you read the charging documents, I mean, they've got this kid so that the case is so watertight.

00:33:06.000 Again, there's fair questions to ask around it.

00:33:09.000 There really are.

00:33:09.000 And I'm trying to be as gracious and generous as I can to that.

00:33:13.000 I have questions.

00:33:14.000 We've chased down every lead we can possibly imagine that you can imagine.

00:33:18.000 I mean, people send us stuff all the time, and we're always sending those along to the authorities.

00:33:23.000 But man, this case is very strong, very watertight.

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00:34:37.000 All right.

00:34:38.000 So, I mean, before we move on, is there anything you want to say about this?

00:34:41.000 I think, I mean, for now, I think we've said it.

00:34:44.000 There should be cameras.

00:34:45.000 It's at noon mountain time.

00:34:47.000 So it's going to be right at the end of our show.

00:34:50.000 Of our show.

00:34:50.000 And then we'll tune over to the next one.

00:34:52.000 We'll probably hit it on Thought Crime tonight if anything noteworthy happens.

00:34:56.000 Sure.

00:34:56.000 We'll want to do that.

00:34:58.000 So we just got an email from Allison who asks if there's an update on the redistricting fight in Indiana.

00:35:04.000 Which I want to react to that because there is.

00:35:06.000 Yes.

00:35:06.000 They're voting today.

00:35:07.000 Yeah, that's a huge one.

00:35:08.000 We need 26 votes from the Republican senators of Indiana.

00:35:12.000 We have 22 confirmed yes votes.

00:35:15.000 I will be frank.

00:35:16.000 I am pessimistic about them passing it.

00:35:19.000 But then we move into stage two, which is primary them.

00:35:22.000 You have to primary them.

00:35:24.000 We're going to be involved in that in a big way.

00:35:26.000 So this is the redistricting fight, which would result in a 9-0 state.

00:35:29.000 So you'd have nine conservative districts, zero liberal or Democrat districts.

00:35:35.000 And what you need to get that done is you need 26 votes in the Senate.

00:35:40.000 We have 22 confirmed yeses.

00:35:42.000 We are pessimistic that we are going to get the four additional votes that we need.

00:35:47.000 Now, I think what is totally has like 40 Republicans.

00:35:50.000 We have 39 Republicans and a non-caucusing Republican, which I don't even want to find out what the heck that means.

00:35:57.000 Yes, and we only need 24.

00:35:59.000 39 Republicans, 10 Democrats.

00:36:02.000 40 Republicans, 10 Democrats.

00:36:03.000 You have an 80% Republican legislature, and they can't get a bare majority to get two extra Republicans in the U.S. House.

00:36:15.000 Right.

00:36:17.000 You might have thought this was a bad fight to start, but it's sort of like saying, oh, I just don't agree with the way, like what our battle plan is in this war, so I'm just going to go pout and sit at home or something.

00:36:29.000 No, the battle has been joined.

00:36:30.000 Democrats have redone their map in California.

00:36:33.000 They're redoing their map.

00:36:35.000 I think in Maryland they did it.

00:36:36.000 Maryland.

00:36:36.000 They're looking for maps they can redo.

00:36:39.000 Yeah, they're planning to do it in Virginia.

00:36:41.000 The battle is joined.

00:36:43.000 You have to join the fight or switch flipping parties or just quit, leave, and let yourself be replaced by someone who will fight.

00:36:50.000 As Charlie would say, lead, follow, or get out of the way.

00:36:52.000 Get out of the way. 0.53

00:36:53.000 And we made some news on Friday.

00:36:55.000 I think we were the cover of front page of Politico, but we are getting involved in the Indiana fight on the turning point action side.

00:37:04.000 So we are going to bring our organizational muscle over to Indiana.

00:37:08.000 There's going to be a lot of PACs, C4s, grassroots, local grassroots in Indiana.

00:37:15.000 We had Citizen Kane from Citizen Free Press join us earlier this week, and he said the grassroots in Indiana, he's a local there, is fired up and they're upset with their elected representatives in that state.

00:37:27.000 I think they have every right to be.

00:37:29.000 And I'll reiterate this point because this, you know, a lot of attention goes to swing states in our election cycles, okay?

00:37:36.000 Because those obviously determine who's going to be the president.

00:37:39.000 You've got to win the swing states to become the president's very high profile.

00:37:42.000 We take our eye off the ball when it comes to these red, predictably red strongholds like Indiana.

00:37:48.000 Indiana is very conservative.

00:37:49.000 It's very Republican.

00:37:52.000 President Trump won in 2024 by 20 plus points in the state of Indiana.

00:37:57.000 It's a very red state.

00:37:58.000 But what happens is the incumbent political class gets so entrenched in these states that over the years, especially when you have a convulsive moment like President Trump coming onto the scene, the incumbent political class ceases to line up with where the base voters are at.

00:38:13.000 So you have these moments where the base wants redistricting.

00:38:17.000 As you said, the fight has been joined.

00:38:18.000 You either get to join the fight or you get to stay and be an enemy in that fight.

00:38:21.000 At this point, you are just straight up voting.

00:38:23.000 Do you want more Republicans in Congress or fewer?

00:38:26.000 Yeah, it's a really powerful vote.

00:38:28.000 Take your pick.

00:38:29.000 And if your answer is, I want fewer Republicans, why are you a Republican?

00:38:32.000 And there will be congressional level spending deployed in the state of Indiana.

00:38:37.000 So if you get on board and you vote to redistrict, you will be marked as safe.

00:38:43.000 If you vote against it, you will be marked for a primary.

00:38:46.000 And that is the essential bargain that is being offered to the senators in the great state of Indiana.

00:38:54.000 We don't like doing this.

00:38:56.000 No.

00:38:56.000 It's more fun to run against Democrats.

00:38:59.000 It's more fun to spend against Democrats.

00:39:01.000 But frankly, sometimes you have to make sure that if your bluff is called, that you can meet it.

00:39:07.000 Yeah.

00:39:07.000 Well, and I mean, it's not even a question.

00:39:09.000 We're going to be all out.

00:39:10.000 We've already begun hiring process.

00:39:12.000 We've already been deploying our staff in there, meeting with the local grassroots.

00:39:18.000 Everybody's fired up.

00:39:19.000 Everybody's ready to go.

00:39:20.000 And I mean, it will probably take a process, just so you think of the timeframe here.

00:39:24.000 It will probably take all the way through 2028 to get this done, to get a state legislature in place in Indiana to get it all the way across the finish line.

00:39:34.000 But listen, you're four votes shy.

00:39:35.000 Let's see how close we get.

00:39:37.000 Maybe, just maybe, enough senators are going to hear the call of their voters in the great state of Indiana that they will change their vote, get to that 26-vote threshold, and we'll get the job done.

00:39:49.000 We won't need all this outside attention.

00:39:52.000 All the drama.

00:39:53.000 All the drama.

00:39:54.000 There's so much drama going on in this country right now.

00:39:58.000 I would love to stay focused on the mission.

00:40:00.000 Would love to stay focused on the mission.

00:40:02.000 You know, it occurs to me, Blake, how hard we worked over the years to stay mission-focused.

00:40:08.000 You got to stay mission-focused.

00:40:10.000 And then you kind of, you have this rude awakening where you go into this state where you're not, you are admittedly not necessarily super engaged with their locals.

00:40:17.000 We're super engaged with state-level Arizona politics.

00:40:20.000 But you go to Nebraska, you go to Indiana, and they have their grievances going back years.

00:40:26.000 They have their arrangements going back years.

00:40:29.000 And you just come in and you just have to roll your eyes.

00:40:32.000 This is what you guys are focused on.

00:40:34.000 This is what you think matters the most right now.

00:40:36.000 Yeah, that Trump used the R-word in a truth social post.

00:40:40.000 You used it for a reason.

00:40:42.000 It was not uncalled for in that particular Truth Social post.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 11, 2025

Tyler Robinson's Court Appearance + AI Founding Fathers

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