Glenn Beck joins the Charlie Kirk Show to discuss the tragic loss of Charlie's wife, Erica, and how she is fighting for justice for her late husband, Charlie Kirk, who was taken from us in a helicopter crash in 2011.
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00:01:17.000We are honored on this program to have a guest right out the gate who is a great American and a massive patriot and a good friend of the show's.
00:02:43.000And what you guys have been accused of and what she's been accused of is just so I didn't want to talk to her about that.
00:02:52.000I think I asked her one question and I don't even remember what it was, but her answer was so strong and so clear.
00:03:01.000But I really thought, because today on my show, the whole show is really about finding the humanity again, because we're losing our humanity towards one another.
00:03:12.000How can you possibly, how can you possibly treat Erica and you guys the way you've been treated?
00:03:40.000And then I started thinking about all of the things that have been said about you guys, of how we've gone from this amazing God movement to where we're at in three months.
00:04:24.000And, you know, with as many performances and everything else you're doing all day long, your adrenal glands just up, down, up, down, up, down.
00:04:31.000And she was saying the same thing was happening with him.
00:04:34.000And she said, if it, you know, we needed the Sabbath, and he knew that.
00:04:40.000And it's funny because that's exactly what happened with my wife.
00:04:43.000My wife was the one who was like, Sabbath day, keep the Sabbath day holy.
00:06:44.000How do you get a jury that has not been tainted by all of this stuff?
00:06:49.000I mean, you may not see justice in this country.
00:06:55.000And not, you know, the first time I recognized how African Americans felt, because, you know, as a white person, you're like, oh, well, you know, all of that's in the past and we kind of solved that.
00:07:10.000And Martin Luther King died, but we all kind of get it now.
00:07:13.000And blah, blah, blah, you know, just stupid white people think.
00:07:17.000And when O.J. Simpson, when that happened, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is a wholly different animal here.
00:07:29.000You just mean like the media circus around it?
00:07:53.000And how that innocent verdict came out showed me that it's really hard to get people to do to stay neutral if they come into it with a certain mindset.
00:08:23.000It is so incredible because you try so hard not to bring your own feelings into it.
00:08:32.000You try really hard not to think of it as television.
00:08:36.000You know, like, well, it'll be solved in 30 minutes.
00:08:42.000You are dealing with 12, you know, or 11 other people, and you can't really get some of the questions that you really want answered, answered.
00:08:54.000I mean, I can't tell you how many times we brought the judge in and went, well, wait a minute, we don't understand this.
00:09:49.000But, you know, the good news is, I mean, I just encourage people, read the charging document.
00:09:55.000Read the charging document right there at the beginning.
00:09:59.000And this thing, I mean, they have so much evidence.
00:10:03.000So much evidence that you've got to have at least some faith that, you know, that people are going to come back to their senses a little bit.
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00:11:19.000Yeah, I mean, so, Glenn, picking it up where we just left it, I mean, you know, again, I just encourage people to read the charging document.
00:11:26.000Now, there are legitimate questions that you could ask.
00:14:15.000I think when you see an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, like you saw at the memorial, when you saw the vigils all across the country, when you saw people getting saved and baptized, when you saw church pews fill up, especially with young people, and it was Catholic churches, it was Protestant churches, it was evangelical churches.
00:14:35.000It was across the board, Orthodox churches.
00:14:39.000But when you see a move of God like that, it does make some sense that the forces of darkness would rise up to counter it.
00:14:51.000And I think the greater the move of God, the greater the forces of darkness that will rise up to counter it.
00:14:56.000Real quick, I remember I grew up in Seattle.
00:14:58.000I moved to Arizona and I saw dark shadows for the first time.
00:15:01.000And people thought I was stoned, I think, because I just stood out there and I looked at the shadow of my hand on this because I grew up with clouds all the time.
00:15:08.000And I realized the brighter the light, the sharper the shadows.
00:15:12.000And that's what you're seeing right now.
00:15:14.000Yeah, I think that's really well said.
00:15:16.000Glenn, we could talk about this all day, but we won't because there is news to cover, including you have been making some waves as well.
00:15:26.000You've been making some yourself with this George Washington AI.
00:15:30.000This is quite the project that you've endeavored.
00:15:34.000And I was texting back and forth with your producer, Ricky, and she was sending me all, she was laughing about, she called it the hater aid, which is pretty funny.
00:15:44.000So, you know, and I will say, when we lost Charlie, and we've talked about it on the show before, we got all these people inquiring, you know, up from AI companies, and we're like, no, We're not going to make an AI charge.
00:15:56.000But that's not what you're doing here.
00:15:57.000But I think people get funny when they see people that are not alive brought back to life.
00:17:09.000There's no hallucination because it is required to memorize all of the material.
00:17:15.000Regular AI with ChatGPT does not do that.
00:17:19.000So this is a proprietary private bank, if you will.
00:17:26.000And, you know, it kills me because people are saying, my gosh, he sounds just like Glenn Beck.
00:17:32.000No, I just sound a little like the founding fathers because I know their words.
00:17:38.000But what happens is I did an experiment on it.
00:17:42.000And what you're seeing there, the picture, if you happen to be watching it, if you're listening on radio, it's me sitting down at my interview desk with George Washington.
00:17:52.000He's in a t-shirt because I don't think anybody is interested in, nobody's going to connect to a guy in a powdered wig in a colonial suit.
00:18:00.000And he starts in at the beginning, and I said, we put a bunch of stuff in so he could look at the problems that we were facing.
00:20:17.000When did rely on yourself and don't look for a savior in a public office?
00:20:23.000When did all of these things become right-wing controversial?
00:20:28.000Everything he said was absolute common sense, true, and you can find him in the 29 bullet points and the documents that he pulled them from.
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00:23:07.000The notable thing about it, he will be allowed to appear in street clothes rather than a prison uniform.
00:23:13.000He is going to be restrained, shackled, but it has to be sort of light shackles, and they're not allowed.
00:23:22.000The press is not allowed to photograph him where those are visible.
00:23:25.000So he'll be restrained, but you're not allowed to see him be restrained.
00:23:29.000And so apparently the rationale for this is, you know, in the United States, you are innocent until proven guilty, right?
00:23:38.000The burden of proof lies on the state to make their case.
00:23:41.000And so there, but there's also some legal 3D chests going on here, right?
00:23:46.000Because the defense, if he comes out in an orange jumpsuit and he's shackled and he sort of presents as guilty, right, visually, then the defense on appeal could argue any conviction would have to be then thrown out because he was, it was, he buys the jury.
00:24:05.000You can have endless appeals on everything and the strategy that goes into that.
00:24:10.000Yeah, do you want him to look different because that will bias the jury one way, bias them the other way?
00:24:17.000The restraints, they can make any number of motions on this.
00:24:21.000Yeah, and apparently the rationale for having him restrained is that, you know, if you look at the charging documents, which again, I recommend everybody just Google it, you know, Tyler Robinson, you know, charging documents.
00:24:49.000He confesses to them that, and then he says something about Charlie having too much hate and you can't negotiate the hate out or whatever at that point.
00:24:58.000And then he apparently tells his parents that he's going to take his own life.
00:25:20.000And so that's the purpose of restraint.
00:25:22.000Yeah, the point is, so he's indicated at least at some level thoughts of suicide.
00:25:29.000And what I was told was that even a pen could be used as a potential weapon, right?
00:25:35.000So that's why they want to keep him shackled, even if it's light shackled, out of camera view, assuming he puts his hands underneath the table or something so you can't see it.
00:25:44.000But so today is going to be all about media access.
00:25:48.000And there is going to be a portion of the proceeding that is not public.
00:25:51.000And apparently that's going to be about security issues.
00:25:58.000They want to make sure that the venue is secure and safe.
00:26:00.000And they probably don't want to share that information with the public about ingress, egress, how they're going to be approaching the security of the actual venue in which the trial is heard.
00:26:11.000So I was told, don't expect it to be super substantive.
00:26:16.000You know, street clothes, lightly shackled.
00:26:32.000Reading through the details on this, you realize just how exceptional this case actually is because it is one of the things that's pointed out.
00:26:41.000This is the first high-profile criminal case that has occurred in the artificial intelligence era.
00:26:48.000So I'm reading one of the reports here.
00:26:50.000Attorney Kathy Nestor, one of his attorneys, I believe, she's pointed out there are already digitally altered versions of Robinson's, you know, his court photos, like the photos that we've actually seen of him in custody.
00:27:04.000So people have created versions where he has an outburst or where he begins crying.
00:27:10.000So they've, you know, used AI to create video where there isn't one.
00:27:38.000If they don't allow cameras in the courtroom, we may well have people saying, this is an undercover video that was taken at the trial and it's entirely generated with AI.
00:27:47.000This is getting way beyond the case, but I'm really shuddering for the future.
00:28:57.000And this could get release if people were able to see a trial unfolding while they're all thinking about this, that they could say, okay, here is the defendant.
00:29:12.000And if it happened in a timely way, which our Constitution guarantees the right to a speedy trial.
00:29:17.000And if you look historically, high-profile criminal cases have happened quickly within the past hundred years where they're able to put people on trial in a reasonable length of time.
00:29:27.000But now it's this combination of everything in the court system has slowed down, but everything in the media ecosystem has sped up.
00:29:35.000So in the day of nightly news and no online, the OJ Simpson trial could go on for a year and people wouldn't totally lose their minds.
00:29:42.000But imagine if the OJ Simpson trial was happening today, but there was this year-long delay after this giant, spectacular car chase and then actually having a serious trial go on.
00:29:54.000Imagine if there was, you know, I mean, all the elements of this really do amount to an explosive media circus.
00:30:02.000The media tornado thing totally is legitimate.
00:30:06.000But to Erica's point, which she said with Jesse Waters, you know, everything that we've done has been hyper-scrutinized and hyper-analyzed.
00:30:15.000Every smile, every comment, everything's so analyzed.
00:30:21.000And we deserve to see this trial play out before the media.
00:30:26.000I want to see the evidence presented in a factual, straightforward way.
00:30:34.000I want almost the American people to be educated in specifics of it.
00:30:37.000Because it is so easy for these AI-generated things to happen, and because there are so many alternative outlets for just generating wild stuff, that content tornado exists regardless.
00:30:49.000It is actually, in that case, genuinely important to have the real thing out there existing.
00:30:55.000And when people try to manipulate it, yes, inevitably, but it does have to exist because if you have no real thing to compete against it, it's going to be a calamity.
00:31:05.000Well, and I want to compare what we're doing today and the Tyler Robinson trial versus what's going on with Mangione.
00:31:19.000You know, he's having a probable cause hearing in New York City, and that's actually where you start to hear stuff, new information, right?
00:31:27.000So Mangione is, they're presenting new body cam footage.
00:31:31.000The defense is saying that some of that evidence was seized illegally, that they didn't have a warrant.
00:31:36.000So, you're starting to see actually the chess moves by the defense and by the prosecution in that case because they're at a further juncture at that trial, right?
00:31:46.000So, we're not there yet, but when we get to an evidentiary hearing, a probable cause hearing, which is a step in the process that says, is there enough evidence to take this to a full trial, right?
00:31:56.000I think in Mangioni's case, of course, it's going to go to a full trial.
00:32:00.000In Tyler Robinson's case, of course, it's going to go to a full trial, but that's technically what that step is for.
00:32:05.000And that's when you'll find out: is there enough evidence to proceed?
00:32:10.000So, don't expect that today, but I think I could share your frustration, Blake, in a massive way, especially being on this end of it, where you are a victim of this circumstance, this terrible tragedy, where our friend was murdered in cold blood.
00:32:27.000And there's this vacuum of time, right, of where people want answers to certain questions.
00:32:34.000You can only get those answers in a trial, and yet we have to wait here.
00:32:38.000We're probably looking at March, April for this, right?
00:32:41.000And it's like, you know, if you're on this end of it, they can drag that out.
00:32:45.000Yeah, and they could, yeah, they could find ways to drag that out.
00:32:48.000And then you're probably looking into 2027 for an actual trial.
00:32:52.000That's what we're staring down right now.
00:36:17.000You might have thought this was a bad fight to start, but it's sort of like saying, oh, I just don't agree with the way, like what our battle plan is in this war, so I'm just going to go pout and sit at home or something.
00:36:55.000I think we were the cover of front page of Politico, but we are getting involved in the Indiana fight on the turning point action side.
00:37:04.000So we are going to bring our organizational muscle over to Indiana.
00:37:08.000There's going to be a lot of PACs, C4s, grassroots, local grassroots in Indiana.
00:37:15.000We had Citizen Kane from Citizen Free Press join us earlier this week, and he said the grassroots in Indiana, he's a local there, is fired up and they're upset with their elected representatives in that state.
00:37:58.000But what happens is the incumbent political class gets so entrenched in these states that over the years, especially when you have a convulsive moment like President Trump coming onto the scene, the incumbent political class ceases to line up with where the base voters are at.
00:38:13.000So you have these moments where the base wants redistricting.
00:38:17.000As you said, the fight has been joined.
00:38:18.000You either get to join the fight or you get to stay and be an enemy in that fight.
00:38:21.000At this point, you are just straight up voting.
00:38:23.000Do you want more Republicans in Congress or fewer?
00:39:20.000And I mean, it will probably take a process, just so you think of the timeframe here.
00:39:24.000It will probably take all the way through 2028 to get this done, to get a state legislature in place in Indiana to get it all the way across the finish line.
00:39:37.000Maybe, just maybe, enough senators are going to hear the call of their voters in the great state of Indiana that they will change their vote, get to that 26-vote threshold, and we'll get the job done.
00:39:49.000We won't need all this outside attention.
00:40:10.000And then you kind of, you have this rude awakening where you go into this state where you're not, you are admittedly not necessarily super engaged with their locals.
00:40:17.000We're super engaged with state-level Arizona politics.
00:40:20.000But you go to Nebraska, you go to Indiana, and they have their grievances going back years.
00:40:26.000They have their arrangements going back years.
00:40:29.000And you just come in and you just have to roll your eyes.