The Charlie Kirk Show - Ukraine, Durham, Hungary, Hunter and MORE with Jack Posobiec

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00:00:45.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:30.000 I found a man on the side of the street.

00:01:32.000 He calls himself Jack Pesobic.

00:01:34.000 I was wandering around outside.

00:01:36.000 I was looking for some relief factor.

00:01:39.000 If I could find some relief factor somewhere, somewhere, where could it be?

00:01:39.000 Is that right?

00:01:43.000 If there's a play, if you ever need Relief Factor, come to our studio.

00:01:47.000 We have boxes.

00:01:50.000 It was one of those cartoons, you know, when it's like wafting through the air, like when they put the apple pie on the open window.

00:01:55.000 But it was Relief Factor, and I knew, I knew I could follow it and find the one and only.

00:01:59.000 That's right.

00:01:59.000 And Andrew's running an Iron Man.

00:02:00.000 Andrew's running an Iron Man.

00:02:01.000 And then he was running laps around the building.

00:02:03.000 And he's doing an ultramaris now.

00:02:04.000 Yeah.

00:02:04.000 Is that what he's doing?

00:02:05.000 So he's like, Jack, it's inside.

00:02:06.000 And then he came by again.

00:02:08.000 So, Jack, I really didn't, there's a lot that we can get into here.

00:02:12.000 I really don't have a clear direction.

00:02:14.000 I mean, there's like 500 stories I have in front of one.

00:02:16.000 I have a question.

00:02:17.000 So, you know, you know, I did, I was, I was at Guantanamo.

00:02:20.000 You know, I'm familiar with the interrogations there.

00:02:22.000 My question for Charlie Kirk is, how much money do you donate on the side to Media Matters to get them to promote this show so heavily every day?

00:02:30.000 No, it's, I think I figured it out.

00:02:32.000 That's what it's got to be.

00:02:33.000 Yeah, I can't even keep up with it.

00:02:34.000 People have to send it to me.

00:02:35.000 It's like every single clip that they cover.

00:02:38.000 It's great.

00:02:38.000 It's phenomenal publicity.

00:02:40.000 And I got to say, Media Matters, you know, they're awful, but they take your words and they just put them up there.

00:02:46.000 Right, exactly.

00:02:47.000 Unlike, you know, some of these other outlets, they're like, this is what Charlie said.

00:02:49.000 I was like, it's actually pretty accurate.

00:02:50.000 And like, you're right, because you get some people, they kind of divide up what you say and you're like, well, I was, no, I was making a broader point or, you know, whatever the context.

00:02:57.000 They actually don't play that game.

00:02:58.000 They just say, here's what it is.

00:02:59.000 Do you read it?

00:03:00.000 And it's like, they're like people on Twitter, these blue and on guys do the same thing.

00:03:04.000 And it's like, well, I just read it as like the greatest hits now.

00:03:06.000 So it's like, hey, what's going on in the movement?

00:03:08.000 You know, if I don't have time to listen to like everybody's talking about it.

00:03:10.000 Or like the spiciest take.

00:03:11.000 It's like whatever the spiciest take was. 1.00

00:03:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:03:13.000 And they go, oh, yeah, that's funny.

00:03:14.000 Yeah, that's a good one.

00:03:15.000 So I want to play this tape here.

00:03:17.000 I'm a big Victor Davis Hanson fan.

00:03:18.000 We had him on our podcast.

00:03:20.000 Yes.

00:03:20.000 Speaking of which, we got to get that video up, guys.

00:03:22.000 It was a great conversation.

00:03:23.000 So you sent me this clip privately yesterday.

00:03:27.000 And Victor Davis Hansen, who I think is like the premier intellectual on the new right.

00:03:31.000 I think he's like the top.

00:03:32.000 He really is.

00:03:34.000 And his knowledge of history and the classics is incredible.

00:03:40.000 He said this in Cut 57.

00:03:42.000 And I want you to connect this to today with things we might be seeing, Play Cut 57.

00:03:47.000 Well, we always do that.

00:03:48.000 I mean, in World War II, as you know, the Soviet Union, when they divided up Poland, they butchered the NKVD, The military and secret police of the Soviet Union went in and murdered 22,000 Polish officers.

00:04:05.000 And that was a fact.

00:04:07.000 And the Germans, then, when they uncovered the graves, they tried to publicize that.

00:04:14.000 And in the United States, FDR went around and squashed Polish-American radio stations from beaming the truth because he thought it would hurt the war effort.

00:04:22.000 So we were perfectly fine.

00:04:24.000 We didn't find out the actual perpetrators in the common culture until the 1960s.

00:04:30.000 So that's a clip from American thought leaders hosted by the great Jan Yakelek and the Epoch Times.

00:04:37.000 And so the way that he's prefaced the question is: we're seeing all this news every day of the war effort and yes, the war in Ukraine, but it's even a broader topic of wars and the way they're covering it.

00:04:49.000 Is this cultural war too applicable?

00:04:51.000 Cultural war, whatever you want to call it.

00:04:53.000 And it's this idea that when the U.S. government decides to kind of put their foot on the pedal of supporting one side or another, that they will use the organs of the state.

00:05:05.000 They'll use their relationships with media.

00:05:07.000 They'll use whatever levers of power that they can find to be able to wash away sort of these sins of anyone that they view as their allies in order to demonize the people that are against.

00:05:20.000 So what he's talking about there is, and I say this as a guy who's Polish-American, that that was the Katyn massacre.

00:05:27.000 So the cotton forest early on before the United States entered the war, early about, actually we're coming up on the anniversary of it.

00:05:35.000 It was April 1940, right after the Soviet Union, a couple months after the Soviet Union had carved up their half of Poland.

00:05:41.000 They went in, they took up all the intelligentsia of Poland, the leaders, the thought leaders, the generals, the admirals, exported them, essentially deported them, routed them up, deported them into Russia, and then systematically slaughtered every single one of them, killed them all in the forest, mass graves, 22,000.

00:06:02.000 In fact, one of them, and so this was prior to the KGB, there was this organization called the NKVD, which is sort of the World War II era equivalent of the KGB, directed directly from Stalin.

00:06:13.000 And there was actually one executioner, Vasily Bolcezyk, and it's recorded, or at least reported, that he was personally responsible for killing 7,000 people in that forest.

00:06:27.000 But this created a huge problem years later because when Operation Barbarossa comes through, the Germans declare war on the Soviet Union.

00:06:36.000 The Nazi army is the one, the Wehrmacht, is coming through Poland. 0.74

00:06:39.000 They get to this forest at this point when they're coming through Russia and they find this huge mass grave of Poles. 0.98

00:06:45.000 And of course, the Nazis are like, hey, this is a war crime we didn't do for once, right? 0.83

00:06:50.000 You know, because they've got Auschwitz and everything is set up all unspeakable backfields in Poland. 0.99

00:06:56.000 And they said, wait a minute, we didn't do this one.

00:06:58.000 And they're trying to figure it out.

00:06:59.000 And they realize that it's just as the Poles have been saying, and the Poles are saying this all along, the same way the Polish had intelligence officers inside Auschwitz sending out intelligence reports the entire time saying what was going on in there, the truth of what was going on in there.

00:07:14.000 And so, but it wasn't being heard, right?

00:07:16.000 And it wasn't being heard because they said it was Polish.

00:07:18.000 And then when it came to this massacre, well, it wasn't heard because this, oh, well, no, no, no, the Soviet Union are the good guys. 0.84

00:07:24.000 We're on their side.

00:07:26.000 And so you can't believe that.

00:07:27.000 That's German propaganda. 0.56

00:07:28.000 And so we can't believe that.

00:07:29.000 Even though the Poles are saying, look, no, no, no, no, you understand from our perspective, we hate both of them, right? 1.00

00:07:34.000 You know, we're the ones who are called middle here, right?

00:07:36.000 So it doesn't make you, you know, pro-German to say this is just actually true because it was committed by the Soviets. 0.87

00:07:42.000 Years and years and years later, finally, the truth came out and it was later admitted to.

00:07:47.000 There's actually a lot of Polish Americans, civic groups, and community groups here in the United States will come together and put together memorials and monuments to this massacre because it's so uncovered and it's just so unknown throughout most of the Western world and throughout most of Europe that this was even done because the propaganda all the way back in the 1940s was so strong in terms of covering this up.

00:08:10.000 And so when I look at mainstream media today and when I see these massive efforts and these huge cultural pushes domestically, when I see these foreign policy things going on around the world, you know, I always say we have to take this with a healthy dose of skepticism when the mainstream media and the uniparty is coming to you and saying, you have to believe this.

00:08:29.000 You have to understand this.

00:08:30.000 You have to react to this.

00:08:31.000 You have to respond to this immediately rather than stepping back and saying, well, hold on, let's try to figure out.

00:08:37.000 And that's, you know, whether it goes from one of these, you know, remember the mostly peaceful riots, mostly peaceful protests that were actually riots.

00:08:44.000 I go out to Chaz in 2020 and I say, this thing isn't peaceful.

00:08:47.000 You guys are showing up for five minutes.

00:08:49.000 I remember Chaz was the exact same way.

00:08:51.000 I would go there.

00:08:52.000 Correction.

00:08:53.000 Exact same way in terms of coverage.

00:08:54.000 Obviously, not the exact same way.

00:08:56.000 Thank you, Media Matters, Justin Baranga, and all the guys who love to watch this show.

00:09:00.000 Non-stop.

00:09:02.000 It's the same way in terms of coverage.

00:09:04.000 And that's what I'm talking about here because you would go in the daytime and the MSM would, you know, just like here, set up the lights, set up these beautiful cameras, and they do a report and say, look how peaceful it is.

00:09:14.000 And people are hanging out and there's free drugs and free love.

00:09:17.000 And Mayor Jenny Durkin, former Mayor Jenny Durkin of Seattle, says, oh, it's this perfect, you know, this summer of love.

00:09:24.000 It's going to be a peaceful protest.

00:09:25.000 We're all going to have a great time.

00:09:26.000 Well, I go there with my brother, with a couple of guys.

00:09:29.000 We've got cameras.

00:09:29.000 We're undercover.

00:09:31.000 And yeah, during the daytime, it was mostly okay.

00:09:34.000 But don't you come in and be, for example, a street preacher.

00:09:39.000 Everyone who's been to any major city has seen street preachers before.

00:09:41.000 They're these guys.

00:09:42.000 They come in.

00:09:42.000 They might have like a megaphone or, you know, a kind of like a loudspeaker or like a guitar amp and a mic that they've set up.

00:09:48.000 And they're just, they're just preaching the good news, right?

00:09:50.000 They're just standing there in a corner.

00:09:51.000 They're not bothering anybody, right?

00:09:53.000 They're not getting anybody's face.

00:09:54.000 And you can stand there, you can donate, you can talk to them, but they're harmless.

00:09:59.000 That's my point.

00:10:00.000 They're harmless.

00:10:01.000 And, you know, speaking as a Christian, obviously, I'm someone who is very supportive of such activity, especially in places like Times Square.

00:10:08.000 They assaulted the street preacher in Chaz.

00:10:11.000 We got that on footage.

00:10:12.000 They were choking him out and they drug him out of Chaz by his arms and feet. 0.97

00:10:17.000 Mainstream media never showed any of that because to them it's a narrative industrial complex is what it is.

00:10:23.000 I think VDH and your kind of phenomenal telling that story, Jack, is really important for people to take pause.

00:10:29.000 Sometimes it's not what you're being told.

00:10:30.000 And there is a black propaganda campaign that has been happening on a lot of these different issues.

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00:12:08.000 So let's just get back to the basics.

00:12:10.000 People have lives.

00:12:11.000 They have kids.

00:12:12.000 You know, they have things that are more important than this.

00:12:14.000 So John Durham is a special counsel that was appointed by Bill Barr.

00:12:19.000 It's amazing, by the way, that we have a special counsel investigation going on at this level.

00:12:24.000 He's investigating the lawyers who are working directly for the Clinton campaign and the DNC.

00:12:30.000 He's also investigating the FBI and potentially some elements of the CIA.

00:12:34.000 And yet this is nowhere in the headlines.

00:12:36.000 Like, we have to remind people that this special counsel is even going on.

00:12:40.000 That's such a good point.

00:12:41.000 But special counsel Mueller was like the top story every day.

00:12:45.000 And you were just talking before about, you know, the narrative industrial machine.

00:12:48.000 That's exactly what this is because the greatest power, one of the actual greatest powers of the mainstream media, isn't just propaganda.

00:12:55.000 It's omission.

00:12:56.000 It's story selection.

00:12:58.000 It's what they choose to talk about, what they choose to make you focus on.

00:13:01.000 Like, did you know there's a civil war going on in Ethiopia right now?

00:13:04.000 And 500,000 people have been killed in like the last 16 months there?

00:13:07.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:13:08.000 500,000?

00:13:09.000 500,000.

00:13:10.000 That's a lot.

00:13:11.000 100,000 people.

00:13:12.000 Murdered or is that with salmon and displacement and stuff like that?

00:13:15.000 It's both.

00:13:15.000 That's a lot.

00:13:16.000 I didn't know that.

00:13:17.000 500,000 dead.

00:13:18.000 I consider myself well informed.

00:13:19.000 I didn't know that.

00:13:20.000 So Tedros, who is Ethiopian, has talked about this.

00:13:24.000 Oh, the global health guy?

00:13:25.000 Right.

00:13:27.000 And so he talks about it a lot.

00:13:29.000 But then it's interesting because when he mentions it, this is the one thing that he talks about that nobody seems to pay attention to.

00:13:34.000 And so I'm not trying to diminish that in any way, but what I'm saying is, is there's always massive, horrific suffering going on in the world.

00:13:42.000 And if the media isn't talking about it, we don't know about it.

00:13:45.000 So, okay, so Durham, he's there.

00:13:47.000 He's got a lot of authority to look into things.

00:13:50.000 There's been some developments recently.

00:13:52.000 We know that Democrat operatives.

00:13:55.000 We know that Democrat operatives had a back channel to the White House and White House communications and internet data.

00:13:59.000 We know that.

00:14:00.000 That kind of got glossed over.

00:14:02.000 What's the latest out of Durham?

00:14:03.000 So the latest out of Durham is this.

00:14:05.000 And so people need to understand, you know, what is it?

00:14:08.000 So we get it, right?

00:14:09.000 We get that it was a hoax.

00:14:10.000 We get that it was planted by the Clinton campaign.

00:14:12.000 We get that Fusion GPS and these various cutout organizations were used.

00:14:16.000 Okay, sure.

00:14:18.000 But the devil's in the details, as they always say.

00:14:20.000 And that's what this is all about.

00:14:20.000 It's going through the details.

00:14:22.000 So it doesn't matter what you know.

00:14:23.000 It matters what you can prove in court.

00:14:25.000 And that's exactly what Durham is doing.

00:14:27.000 He's finding provable material falsehoods that he knows can trigger that federal law about lying to the FBI.

00:14:36.000 This is the same law, by the way, that General Michael Flynn, when he was the National Security Advisor, that he was charged with.

00:14:41.000 He was later pardoned.

00:14:43.000 It did look like that thing was going to go away, though, because they couldn't actually prove it when it came down to this.

00:14:47.000 It was sort of this reading of a 302.

00:14:50.000 And so what's so in the Flynn case, we didn't actually have a recording of the conversation.

00:14:54.000 So it came down to did they lie?

00:14:57.000 Did they change this report, right?

00:14:58.000 The FBI doesn't actually record their interviews.

00:15:01.000 That's why if anybody out there, just good practice, if you get contacted, the first words out of your mouth better be lawyer.

00:15:07.000 Lawyer, lawyer, lawyer.

00:15:09.000 Do not talk to the feds without a lawyer. 0.98

00:15:12.000 Shut up and get your lawyer, right? 0.97

00:15:13.000 That's just good practice because if you were in the crosshairs, they are going to find a way to pin something on the bottom of the bottom. 0.96

00:15:18.000 And that was one thing I think Flynn admits he would have done differently.

00:15:21.000 100%.

00:15:22.000 So, but like, what's the latest?

00:15:23.000 And what is this final thing?

00:15:24.000 They sprung that on him because he thought it was like a liaison meeting.

00:15:26.000 He didn't think he was.

00:15:27.000 Peter Struckströck's mother.

00:15:28.000 Right, Peter Struck.

00:15:29.000 So this, what's amazing is all that work that we had to do in the Flynn case of getting to the truth of that.

00:15:37.000 Charlie, this is what's amazing.

00:15:39.000 The lie to the FBI wasn't in a verbal conversation.

00:15:43.000 Do you know what the lie was?

00:15:45.000 A text message.

00:15:46.000 Well, who's lied to the FBI?

00:15:48.000 Good question.

00:15:48.000 So it's this guy Sussman.

00:15:50.000 You've heard the name Sussman.

00:15:51.000 Michael Sussman was a lawyer for Perkins Coyote.

00:15:53.000 He's been indicted, though, right?

00:15:54.000 This is the indictment in him.

00:15:56.000 This is the new evidence that's coming out in the indictment.

00:16:00.000 This lie was in a text message.

00:16:02.000 He goes to the FBI, James Baker, the general counsel, and he says to him, I've uncovered information about a plot between the Trump campaign and Russia, and specifically this Trump organization.

00:16:16.000 He's saying this to the FBI.

00:16:17.000 He's sending this.

00:16:18.000 He's saying this to the FBI.

00:16:19.000 While he's being paid by Hillary.

00:16:20.000 While he's being paid by Hillary, while he's on contract with Hillary.

00:16:25.000 But what he specifically says, and we have the text message now.

00:16:29.000 So this isn't one of those things where you can say, oh, he didn't mean it that way.

00:16:33.000 The text says, I am not doing this on behalf of a client.

00:16:38.000 I just want to help the Bureau.

00:16:41.000 Which was a total lie.

00:16:42.000 Complete lie.

00:16:43.000 Yeah.

00:16:43.000 And so he was paid to do that.

00:16:46.000 He was paid by Hillary to do it.

00:16:48.000 And Mark Elias, who was like the general counsel for the same campaign.

00:16:53.000 Yeah, it might have been Perkins Coyote.

00:16:55.000 Yeah, Perkins Coy.

00:16:55.000 You're exactly right.

00:16:57.000 The Durham thing really seems to be heating up.

00:16:59.000 Like, I'm just going to throw it out there.

00:17:02.000 If you're going to lie to the FBI, don't do it in a text message that's recoverable, that can show up in a court record, because guess what?

00:17:09.000 That's just what happened to you, Michael Sussman.

00:17:12.000 You just got caught, and that's a headshot.

00:17:14.000 He's the bad man in some ways.

00:17:15.000 I really hope he starts to rat out the people that were behind him.

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00:18:18.000 Okay, a little bit more on Durham.

00:18:20.000 Anything else we want to cover on that?

00:18:21.000 Well, so I think people need to understand that it's also broadening beyond.

00:18:25.000 Like, so people say, well, who's this guy, Sussman?

00:18:27.000 Like, you have to explain.

00:18:28.000 I don't know that name.

00:18:29.000 Where's John Brennan?

00:18:30.000 Where's Peter Strzok?

00:18:32.000 Where's some of these people?

00:18:32.000 Yeah, it's kind of like overly detailed.

00:18:34.000 Yeah, like, why do you have to explain all this stuff to even get an understanding of who he is?

00:18:37.000 But I want to put two things into context for people on this.

00:18:41.000 Number one, the fact that this is even happening at all, the fact that this is even going to court, that it's going to be put, what is being put before a judge, that he will see a trial, right?

00:18:52.000 This is massive.

00:18:53.000 That is something that if you understand the context of where we are at this point in the movie, right?

00:18:59.000 To be able to get something like this is a monumental Herculean task because you've clearly got massive, massive exigencies, the entire organic state against you.

00:19:11.000 The entire national security state, the entire apparatus of that is against this going through, which is the flip side of Mueller, who had all the resources and all the support in the world from every institution in America.

00:19:24.000 So the fact that you've got now a counter force, hopefully, and this, you know, this is where, and I, I, you know, obviously people are very critical of Bill Barr, but I think one of his reasons for appointing Durham, and he did, right?

00:19:36.000 We have to point that out, is that he wanted there to be this idea of a counterbalance to Mueller.

00:19:42.000 So I want to play some sound here.

00:19:44.000 Let's play Cut 61, latest Durham filing, play cut 61.

00:19:49.000 We know that a text message may be the answer special counsel John Durham was looking for after all.

00:19:55.000 He claims a newly released text proves former Clinton campaign attorney Michael Sussman was untruthful to the FBI.

00:20:03.000 Sussman pleaded not guilty to lying to the FBI, specifically to then FBI general counsel James Baker during a September 2016 face-to-face meeting.

00:20:12.000 Durham claims that Sussman brought Baker the information he knew was suspect about Donald Trump's campaign, communicating with a Kremlin-connected bank.

00:20:21.000 The information bill did not pan out.

00:20:25.000 Did not pan out.

00:20:27.000 Whoa, whoa.

00:20:28.000 Talk about burying the lead.

00:20:29.000 The information was falsified.

00:20:32.000 It was a false operation from the start, the start, that Michael Sussman himself played a role in, as well as the tech billionaire Rodney Jaffa.

00:20:40.000 It didn't just play it out.

00:20:41.000 I was like, bro, you're missing the big part of the story here.

00:20:44.000 Play cut 62.

00:20:47.000 In a text message released publicly late Monday night, Sussman texted Jim.

00:20:53.000 It's Michael Sussman.

00:20:54.000 I have something time-sensitive and sensitive I need to discuss.

00:20:57.000 Do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow?

00:21:00.000 I'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company.

00:21:04.000 Want to help the Bureau thanks the reason that this may advance the ball for the prosecution in a meaningful way is it's almost like a transcript.

00:21:15.000 It's a written statement by the person who is accused of making a false statement to the FBI, which contains the essence of what the government says the deception is.

00:21:27.000 Jack?

00:21:28.000 Well, and there you go, right?

00:21:29.000 Andy McCarthy spot.

00:21:30.000 I actually hadn't heard Andy McCarthy on that.

00:21:32.000 And, you know, it's what he's saying is that when he mentions a transcript, that's what he's referring to.

00:21:38.000 That's what the FBI would refer to as a 302, a custodial transcript of an interview that was held.

00:21:43.000 Now, you don't need a 302 because there wasn't an interview.

00:21:47.000 This was a text message.

00:21:49.000 Let's think about it.

00:21:50.000 Is that the reason he probably put that in writing is he might not have got the meeting if he didn't put that in writing.

00:21:54.000 Is that probably fair?

00:21:55.000 He's trying to get the meeting.

00:21:56.000 He's trying to persuade someone to come.

00:21:58.000 He said, This is the general counsel of the entire FBI.

00:22:01.000 So he's trying to backstop it.

00:22:03.000 It's so incestuous.

00:22:03.000 Just think about it.

00:22:04.000 Who has the general counsel, the FBI's film?

00:22:06.000 Like, because Charlie, think about it, right?

00:22:07.000 It's weird.

00:22:08.000 Like, let's say the average citizen comes across what they believe is, you know, see something, say something, right?

00:22:13.000 Evidence of a crime or something that seems suspicious to them.

00:22:16.000 They're not going to call up the, you know, and have a text message relationship with the general counsel of the FBI.

00:22:20.000 No, they're going to find their local FBI field office.

00:22:23.000 They're going to put it in.

00:22:24.000 They're going to say, hey, you know, it gets ignored.

00:22:26.000 Right, right.

00:22:26.000 It'll probably be ignored, but it's, hey, something crazy happened, you know, or, you know, saw a kidnapping, whatever it is, right?

00:22:34.000 Something that would broach the, you know, that sort of federal jurisdiction.

00:22:38.000 And so this, he's trying to get the meeting.

00:22:41.000 He wants to push that ball forward.

00:22:44.000 This is a lawyer acting as a lobbyist for the Clinton campaign to get a campaign launch.

00:22:49.000 Keep in mind, this is September of 16, right?

00:22:51.000 So you're in the final days of the election at this point.

00:22:53.000 You're going right into October.

00:22:55.000 No, and this is an interesting thing.

00:22:56.000 This is the final moment.

00:22:57.000 Look at the timeline.

00:22:59.000 It really goes to show that they were really worried they were going to lose.

00:23:03.000 This is the desperation.

00:23:04.000 More so than I think they realized.

00:23:06.000 Even more so than I think we even as Republicans and conservatives realize.

00:23:10.000 I've long said that in my mind, right, the way that I've always viewed it going down is like Hillary knew that the investigation of her, because keep in mind, that's the context, right?

00:23:22.000 That her emails were investigation, under investigation, there was the server, then the Wiener laptop gets found out in like the last minutes of the election, the investigation gets reopened.

00:23:31.000 That's right.

00:23:32.000 And so I always kind of viewed it as something like her sitting there and saying something along the lines of, well, they're putting me under investigation.

00:23:42.000 I want to put him under investigation.

00:23:44.000 And so that there would be, instead of saying, instead of like winning the election, we're not going to win the election in Wisconsin.

00:23:52.000 We're going to make you lose.

00:23:53.000 Right.

00:23:54.000 So we're going to hurt you so that we're not going to raise ourselves.

00:23:57.000 But doesn't it make you think, how many times have they done this in decades prior?

00:24:01.000 Like what other investigators?

00:24:02.000 Charlie, you don't have to listen to me about this.

00:24:05.000 You can go and read David Brock's original book, The Media Matters Guy.

00:24:10.000 He's now the Media Matters guy.

00:24:12.000 But before all of this, he was an anti-Clinton operative in Arkansas, and he wrote the original book about Troopergate, when Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas and Hillary Clinton was the first lady of Arkansas and the way that they used the corruption of the state trooper program there in Arkansas for their own personal interest.

00:24:35.000 And it was David Brock.

00:24:36.000 It was none other than the very same David Brock who did that investigation and wrote that book.

00:24:41.000 And the Clintons, in true Clintonian fashion, they were like, this guy's really good at this stuff.

00:24:47.000 Let's bring him on board.

00:24:49.000 All right.

00:24:49.000 So I want to shift gears here for a second.

00:24:50.000 There's some news out of Hungary.

00:24:52.000 What's happened in Hungary recently, Jack?

00:24:53.000 Is this just some news?

00:24:55.000 I may have seen something.

00:24:56.000 Yeah, massive landslide victory and election going into, so the fourth election, going into a fifth term for Viktor Orban, the Fidej Party, which is this populist, the nationalist populist party, really one of the leading nationalist populist parties in Europe.

00:25:13.000 We have another one in Poland called Law and Justice.

00:25:17.000 And what he's done in this election, so number one, every European pollster has now just been made a fool because they kept saying this is a close election.

00:25:25.000 We're within striking distance.

00:25:27.000 We're very close.

00:25:27.000 Like when you read the internal campaign polls that get send out to fundraisers and donors, they say, oh, we just need five more points.

00:25:34.000 Yeah, you were 20 points down.

00:25:35.000 He won by 20 points.

00:25:37.000 It wasn't even close.

00:25:38.000 There were like only three localities in all of Hungary.

00:25:41.000 Like you look at that map and it's just, it's all Orban. 1.00

00:25:45.000 It's all his party for the entire time.

00:25:46.000 What does he stand for?

00:25:47.000 Why does the Western press hate him so much?

00:25:50.000 So they hate him.

00:25:51.000 The Western press hates him.

00:25:53.000 Political Europe hates him.

00:25:54.000 The EU is now talking about putting more sanctions on Hungary.

00:25:57.000 They've sanctioned Hungary already?

00:25:59.000 Well, they sanctioned them before.

00:26:00.000 Now they're sanctioning him again.

00:26:02.000 The immigration standard. 0.83

00:26:02.000 And they're saying it's over immigration. 0.83

00:26:04.000 They're saying it's over rule of law.

00:26:05.000 They're saying it's over him trying to find neutrality between Russia-Ukraine.

00:26:10.000 The fact that obviously Hungary, like many European nations, gets the majority of their gas or a huge chunk of their gas from Russia, from this gas prom monopoly.

00:26:18.000 A lot of this stuff, by the way, is about breaking the gas prom monopoly, as I know you know.

00:26:22.000 And so they're going after Orban.

00:26:25.000 What does he stand for?

00:26:27.000 He stands for nationalism.

00:26:29.000 He stands for borders.

00:26:30.000 He stands for sovereign national identity for his people and standing up for a new type of conservatism, Charlie, where it's not about tax cuts for corporations, right?

00:26:42.000 It's this idea of taking the smallest unit possible, the family, as well as direct subsidies for family creation.

00:26:50.000 Is that correct?

00:26:50.000 100%.

00:26:51.000 And actually, when I was at One American News, I had the opportunity to interview the Minister of Health and Families, who is now the president of Hungary, Kalin Novak, on this and on this policy right when it was being put into place.

00:27:04.000 So the idea is, you know, China had the one-child policy, right?

00:27:07.000 And I used to live in China.

00:27:08.000 So now Hungary is coming out and saying, no, no, no, we have the four-child policy, right?

00:27:12.000 So everybody.

00:27:12.000 Have they turned their birth rates around?

00:27:15.000 It hasn't been an immediate success in terms of this.

00:27:19.000 You know, they haven't seen the statistics of it.

00:27:21.000 But when you look at the people that are actually entering the program, it's extremely popular.

00:27:25.000 And they also super strict immigration.

00:27:27.000 Is that correct?

00:27:28.000 You just can't flow into Hungary.

00:27:29.000 It's the same situation, right?

00:27:30.000 When you look across the West, the birth rates are down.

00:27:33.000 And so the bean counters in the bureaucracies of all of the EU, of Brussels, of Washington, D.C., they look at this and they say, hey, we've got a population problem.

00:27:40.000 What happens when this population bomb goes off?

00:27:42.000 And most countries said, well, we want mass immigration.

00:27:44.000 We want to open the floodgates.

00:27:45.000 And Biden's DHS, they know, by the way, they call it mass irregular migration that's about to come when Biden repeals Title 42.

00:27:53.000 Title 42.

00:27:54.000 So we have the DHS.

00:27:55.000 Breitbart leaked the documents.

00:27:57.000 Internally, DHS knows that this is going to happen.

00:28:00.000 They say we're at 200,000 crossing now.

00:28:02.000 We're here in Arizona border state.

00:28:05.000 It could double.

00:28:06.000 It could double.

00:28:06.000 400,000 a month.

00:28:08.000 That's per month, Charlie.

00:28:09.000 And so what Hungary is doing is turning around and say, no, no, no, we don't want mass immigration.

00:28:13.000 We think that's destabilizing for our country.

00:28:15.000 We think it's destabilizing for our culture.

00:28:17.000 What we're going to try to do, and it might be slower, it might not be an easy button.

00:28:20.000 It might be harder, but we think it's going to be better for us and for our people in the long run to increase and grow and strengthen our families here of the people who live here now, who speak our language, who share our history, who share our values, and then increase the number of that through, yes, the power of the federal government by creating new government structures that actually support family formation.

00:28:43.000 And even they went into and did studies to understand what it is that prevents people from attaining family formation.

00:28:50.000 So homeownership is something that they're making credits for.

00:28:55.000 They give you a credit.

00:28:55.000 So they give you a credit when you get married for four kids.

00:28:58.000 But what's amazing is it's a loan that you have to pay back.

00:29:01.000 But as you have each kid all the way up to the four, the loan decreases by 25%.

00:29:07.000 And so if you have all four kids, you don't have to pay any of the loan back.

00:29:10.000 So they're looking at that.

00:29:11.000 They're also looking in terms of homeownership.

00:29:13.000 And they're even looking in terms of being able to purchase a larger vehicle, right?

00:29:17.000 So your typical four-seat vehicle, obviously, is not going to be large enough for a larger family.

00:29:22.000 That is a huge economic constraint for a lot of families out there.

00:29:25.000 And we're talking about Hungary, but obviously you could apply all of that to the United States of America, too, because a lot of this is driven from economy.

00:29:32.000 And so, you know, not that I would ever criticize the late, great Andrew Breitbart, but he had that wonderful, incredible maxim that politics is downstream from culture.

00:29:44.000 And if I would be so bold as to add something onto that, I would say that's true 100%, but also that culture is downstream from economics.

00:29:54.000 Culture is downstream from economics.

00:29:56.000 That's smart.

00:29:56.000 That's very Marxist of you, but it's true.

00:29:58.000 It is, I know.

00:29:58.000 Yeah, that's a Karl Marx belief, but it's hard to disagree.

00:30:01.000 Do you think that what happened in Hungary can be a canary in the coal mine for other populist victories looming around the corner?

00:30:07.000 Well, I think it's the model, right?

00:30:08.000 I think this is the formula that is going to resonate with so many people because you're right in the sense that, like we were saying before, like, hey, aren't those kind of sort of some left-wing kind of beliefs that, you know, that you do need to help people economically.

00:30:21.000 Well, I'm not saying that it's left-wing, but believing everything comes back to economics is definitely Marxist.

00:30:26.000 Well, I wouldn't say that everything comes back to economics, but I do think that it's something that the right has for a long time kind of eschewed this idea that there should be a public discussion of economics.

00:30:37.000 Well, but it's also, I mean, Marx believed that materialism or material is the way to understand the human condition.

00:30:44.000 And he's right in many ways.

00:30:47.000 He was right about a lot, wrong about a lot, too.

00:30:49.000 But he's wrong about his prescriptions for it because, yes, we do have a flawed human nature.

00:30:55.000 And he also presents our material.

00:30:57.000 We are sort of materialist beings.

00:30:58.000 We are made of crude material.

00:31:00.000 A smaller and smaller group of people are going to have more and more stuff.

00:31:03.000 He was right about that.

00:31:04.000 But he totally misses man's spiritual nature.

00:31:06.000 That's exactly what he said.

00:31:07.000 Totally misses religion was the opiate of the moment. 1.00

00:31:09.000 There was the opiate masses.

00:31:11.000 And then Nietzsche comes along and people misread this about Nietzsche.

00:31:14.000 He said, you're killing God.

00:31:15.000 He didn't say God instead. 0.98

00:31:16.000 He said, you're killing him.

00:31:17.000 Yeah, he didn't celebrate it.

00:31:19.000 Nietzsche was right.

00:31:19.000 Nietzsche basically saw that the West was destroying its own values.

00:31:25.000 He saw all this transgender stuff like 160 years before. 0.97

00:31:28.000 Because You take away your traditional values, your traditional moral society.

00:31:33.000 And he said you have to have something to replace it.

00:31:35.000 And you replace it with nothing.

00:31:36.000 So that's what gives you this, you know, choose your own morality.

00:31:39.000 Which is what you got with his book, Beyond Good and Evil.

00:31:42.000 Well, and then I was even going to say, take it to current events.

00:31:44.000 This is how you can get a situation with KBJ, and that Dick Durbin is out there right now saying, you know, all of this is a very important thing.

00:31:51.000 If you choose to say, if you make your decision, right?

00:31:54.000 Well, you mean like if I decide to buy an AR-15, like that's a decision, right?

00:31:57.000 The government gets involved there.

00:31:59.000 No, no, you can't do that.

00:32:00.000 No, no, no.

00:32:00.000 Oh, actually, by the way, that's actually a decision that's protected and enshrined in constitutional law.

00:32:07.000 But no, no, no, we can say everything we want about that decision.

00:32:09.000 But no, what it really is, is this, to go back to the Marxist formulation, it's this idea that there are two classes of societies: there's an oppressor class and oppressed class.

00:32:19.000 And that when a member of the oppressed class breaks a law that's been written by the oppressor class, well, it's not really their fault because they're merely responding to their own internalized oppression, whether it be internalized or externalized.

00:32:32.000 And they're actually victims of the broader social problems that we have as a country.

00:32:37.000 And so their crime should be lessened because they are victims themselves in the first instance of society.

00:32:44.000 So that's this argument.

00:32:46.000 And it seems completely backwards to anybody who ascribes to a traditional moral value system.

00:32:52.000 But if you take away that traditional moral value system from the public square, i.e., God, right?

00:32:58.000 And this is what you and I were talking about on the break: this idea that, you know, there's people who come in and even Christians, you hear this, they take the Old Testament and act as if it doesn't matter.

00:33:07.000 And then they take the New Testament not as a fulfillment and a companion to the Old Testament, but as if as if, you know, it came out so the Old Testament doesn't matter anymore.

00:33:16.000 It's like, no, no, no, no.

00:33:18.000 This is part one, part two.

00:33:20.000 Jack Pasobic, everybody.

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00:33:26.000 Jack, thank you for joining us.

00:33:28.000 We could do another couple hours together.

00:33:30.000 Appreciate it always, my friend.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 07, 2022

Ukraine, Durham, Hungary, Hunter and MORE with Jack Posobiec

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