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00:02:18.000The use of the term was a description of neighborhoods, not a description of intent.
00:02:22.000So you intend to tax the whiter neighborhoods more?
00:02:24.000No, we intend to create a fair property tax system because we want a New York City that is not only fair and equitable, but also one that every New York can afford.
00:02:32.000Oh, we missed the first question there.
00:02:33.000There was like, there was that moment where you go, yes, you did.
00:03:24.000No, it was just this situation where I honestly just got it.
00:03:30.000I'm so annoyed that here's this theater kid who's up there like acting as if he didn't do all the Bollywood stuff on his acceptance speech and demagogue white people on the campaign and talk about how my campaign is for Blake.
00:05:03.000Well, and he's got clips on that, by the way, where he's basically saying everything, everything I said about Trump still holds true now, which is a very, very strange thing to do.
00:05:12.000And he wouldn't actually just come out and say, yeah, he's a fascist.
00:05:14.000He said, what I said previously is still true.
00:05:16.000It would actually be funny if you just said.
00:05:59.000So there's been, it was a leaked 28-point plan, as they call it.
00:06:03.000We're not sure by whom, although evidence is it probably actually was leaked by the Russian side, which was capitalized on the press to say it was a Russian-authored plan.
00:06:11.000But what's going on is we have actually haven't talked about the war in a while.
00:07:11.000And what's very important is this deal, the 28-point deal, would formally acknowledge Russia taking those territories, as opposed to what some have insisted on, where they might allow Russia to keep occupying them, but continue to leave it as, you know, not recognized.
00:07:28.000That's supposedly Ukraine should take it back.
00:07:32.000That means the president of the United States would come out with the whole of government, Secretary of State, saying, and that's something obviously another president could overturn.
00:07:39.000But of course, the Russians could always point to saying that, look, the U.S. recognizes that.
00:07:43.000And truthfully, I think that is a very important part of what I think a long-term peace would be because what has kept this a tumor that has flared up over and over again is that it's not resolved.
00:07:59.000And that's almost, that's likely what led to this war: the refusal to acknowledge the ceding of Crimea, or I should say the seizure of Crimea.
00:08:09.000And their original offer before the war happened was if you would acknowledge Crimea and then a few military concessions, that they would be okay with a long-term peace.
00:08:20.000That wasn't ceded, so instead we got this war.
00:08:22.000Other stuff in it, the peace deal would require Ukraine shrinking the size of its military.
00:08:28.000I think that will be a difficult sticking point.
00:08:30.000Yeah, that's the U.S. version, not the EU version.
00:08:32.000The U.S. version, yeah, the EU version version version - the U.S. version caps the Ukraine military at 600,000, which is still huge, by the way, for European terms, especially.
00:08:41.000The EU plan would give no restrictions placed on Ukraine.
00:08:44.000Yeah, it would not allow them into NATO, though it would allow them into the European Union, which I feel would be a quite important session because is Russia going to invade a member of the European Union, especially if the European Union maybe developed some sort of unified armed forces?
00:09:06.000There has been a counter-European Union plan where the main argument they've made is basically that it has a smaller number of points in it and 19 points instead of 28, which means it concedes less to Russia.
00:09:17.000The neocons are freaking out, and that's the really big thing because they just don't want the war to end.
00:10:03.000One thing we know about Russia is they are very good at wars of attrition, where they just grind them out long, long time.
00:10:09.000I mean, so I think that if you compare and contrast these two plans, you still have the European Union playing under an old paradigm, if you will.
00:10:19.000And I think just analyzing both of them this morning and over the weekend, the Trump plan feels much, much more realistic.
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00:12:38.000So it is in my personal view that we've had probably the most productive and meaningful meeting so far in this entire process since we've been involved from the beginning.
00:12:47.000We have a very good work product that was already built on a foundation of input from all the relative parties involved here.
00:12:53.000And we were able to go through some of those items now, point by point, and I think we've made good progress.
00:13:00.000So he's saying it's the most productive and meaningful meeting so far.
00:13:04.000And that was Andrey Yermak, who's the head of the Ukrainian delegation to Geneva.
00:13:08.000So those meetings were happening in Geneva.
00:13:10.000You know what's an interesting piece of this, by the way, is that a lot of people are speculating this 28-point peace plan was actually drafted in Russian because it looks like we mentioned that.
00:13:34.000No, he said it was the U.S. the U.S. version.
00:13:37.000What stands out to me about certainly the U.S. plan is they'll complain that it's too pro-Russian, although I would just note, if you're going to oppose a plan that is pro-Russian, I feel you need a plan for, okay, is Ukraine going to win the war?
00:13:51.000Are we going to go until every Ukrainian is dead, so you can feel really morally righteous over their pile of corpses?
00:13:59.000Are you going to step up to pay for it forever?
00:14:00.000That should be the question to Europe if they want it to go forever.
00:14:03.000Or are you going to deploy your own troops?
00:14:38.000And that would be the biggest escalation of sending actual troops.
00:14:40.000And at that point, you're dangerously close to the big escalation that we never wanted.
00:14:45.000So what stands out to me in the U.S. plan is it is a serious bid to say we are attempting to normalize relations with Russia after effectively a 20-year new Cold War with them, if you will.
00:15:00.000Here's the question that I think, and I don't know if we mentioned it.
00:15:03.000There is this question about, and Bannon's brought it up, the security guarantee for Ukraine, right?
00:15:20.000That's also why you, frankly, recognize the territorial change so that there is a set, mutually agreed upon border between the two.
00:15:27.000Instead of what stands out with the European plan is they don't want to acknowledge this.
00:15:32.000They want to continue that frozen conflict attitude that we had before this war, where, okay, you occupy this land, but we're not acknowledging it.
00:15:41.000So it's a potential flashpoint whenever we want it to.
00:15:44.000I mean, a couple months ago, people were saying when, you know, I remember I went to Alaska when Trump had to sit down with Putin and Putin came over, and, you know, but then it all kind of unraveled after that, and they announced this Budapest thing, but then it never really got off the ground.
00:15:59.000And a lot of people were saying, hey, and Ukraine really wasn't agreeing to anything at that point.
00:16:05.000Zelensky came in and it's like, look, we had the meeting, but you didn't agree to it.
00:16:09.000So people were saying that an armistice might be the only thing possible at that point.
00:16:13.000So the fact that Ukraine is on board with this and we are seeing the Russians be on board with this, I think that actually speaks credibility to, or gives credibility to what Rubio is saying.
00:16:23.000That actually, there's a real possibility for a deal here.
00:16:26.000Well, and it strikes me, Blake, to your point, is that the only way to have this be a lasting peace is if you officially recognize the ground that Russia has gained in this long, bloody war.
00:16:40.000Maybe there's a counterproposal they can make that cedes some of it back or something.
00:16:46.000But to your point, it's look, we have to understand that Putin sees this as his legacy.
00:16:51.000You know, basically, you know, reverting the heirs and the sins of his predecessors in the 90s and when the USSR fell.
00:17:02.000And so he wants to at least, you have to give him something is my read on this.
00:17:06.000And I think this is a realistic and say, you know, we did all this and this is what we got.
00:17:11.000Well, you got to also understand that Putin is propped up by oligarchs.
00:17:14.000That's the reason he's able to hold on to power is because he controls the oligarchs.
00:17:18.000You have to come back from a war like this and show something tangible.
00:17:21.000Otherwise, this is going to just continue on forever.
00:17:24.000And then the person who comes after Putin is going to be like 10 times worse if he's seen as a failure.
00:17:29.000Yeah, I mean, in theory, that, I mean, the glass have full, I think, EU rose-colored glasses vision is that they're going to be able to sort of help somebody better.
00:17:37.000The fanatics who want this war to go forever, I feel like they're just calculating that Putin will die and then somehow Russia implodes after that.
00:17:45.000And I just think that strikes me as highly risky.
00:17:47.000Yeah, the last time that Warhawks you've seen in America.
00:19:49.000Congratulations on the book, A Revolution of Common Sense.
00:19:52.000Why don't you tell us a little bit about the book and what it's about, why you wrote it?
00:19:58.000Well, I was listening to the president speak in January in his inaugural address, and he used this phrase, a revolution of common sense.
00:20:05.000And I thought at the time, that would make a great book title because it is the perfect encapsulation or description of how he has rebranded the Republican Party and the conservative movement.
00:20:15.000And so I went to the Oval Office in early February.
00:20:18.000I pitched him on the idea of a book, and we worked together on it.
00:20:21.000He gave me access to him, to the Oval Office, to Air Force One, to the cabinet, to several members of the senior staff.
00:20:28.000And I told him I thought that 100 people would come along to write books attacking him for this, that, and the other.
00:20:33.000But somebody who likes him, understands what he's trying to do and wants to give the American people a fair description of it ought to get a chance to write a book.
00:21:26.000If you could articulate it in the way Scott Jennings would, why do you believe the stakes are that high?
00:21:31.000Well, first of all, the last time, as you mentioned, that I saw Charlie and you together in Colorado, if you'll remember the conversation that he and I had in front of that audience, we talked a lot about the future of Western civilization.
00:21:44.000And this theme permeates the book because I think, and I talk about this in some of my public talks, and I think Charlie understood this and articulated it well.
00:21:53.000We're not just battling about the day-to-day politics anymore.
00:21:56.000The future of our country, the future of the West, the future of, you know, whether we're going to live in a world that is based on the ideals that have been the foundation of our society for 3,000 years is going to continue.
00:22:09.000It's that versus really dark ideologies, people who would leave this world in darkness, people who have views that I think are really the enemies of human liberty.
00:22:18.000That's the battle that's going on right now.
00:22:20.000And I don't know whether President Trump knew he was signing up for it or not, but he is the leader of the fight for the future of the West.
00:22:27.000And look, this is, you know, the West isn't a place on a map.
00:22:30.000It's a set of ideas born in Jerusalem and Rome and Athens.
00:22:33.000And it's been the foundation of our civilization.
00:22:36.000It's been the foundation of our freedom.
00:22:37.000This is the civilization that gave birth to the Bible, the Constitution, the concept of a university.
00:22:43.000Everything we are is based on this pillars of Western civilization, and it's in danger.
00:22:48.000I think our financial situation and the mass migration crisis in the world and the march of these dark ideologies, I think they're all combining to really challenge the future of the West.
00:23:00.000And I think the president's leading us admirably, but I think we all need to understand if you're within the sound of our voice, you're on the front lines of this battle right now, whether you know it or like it or not.
00:23:09.000Well, well said, and I think you talk about frontline of the battle.
00:23:12.000I want to bring Blake Neffen, one of our producers here, Scott, as well for this conversation.
00:23:17.000So we were just talking about in segments one and two about Ukraine, talking about frontline of the battle.
00:23:24.000There's a lot that's been made of this, the EU plan versus the United States plan.
00:24:05.000What are we going to achieve out of this negotiated settlement?
00:24:09.000And number three, ultimately, you know, are we going to get any guarantees that we're not going to be involved in any conflicts in the near, medium, or long term?
00:24:17.000I mean, that's the other thing we're looking for here.
00:24:19.000And so I hear Secretary Rubio sort of laying out these principles.
00:24:27.000I've been sort of, you know, flummoxed at people who say, well, we just have to take whatever the Ukrainians want and force Russia to accept.
00:24:46.000You know, it seems like the basic disposition of the neocon right and the neoliberal left are really into this idea that you can't give Putin anything, Putin bad.
00:24:59.000This fixation on constantly being at Russia's throat and never being able to see a future where relations are normalized.
00:25:06.000Blake, I thought you painted that picture extraordinarily well and earlier in the show, where the power of this deal is that you would have to essentially as the U.S. go over and say those regions are now part of Russia.
00:25:18.000And there is a powerful, powerful, I think it's symbolically powerful, but it's also pragmatic and realistic because those areas, they speak Russian, they probably want to be a part of Russia.
00:25:31.000Yeah, Ukraine would have to cede some territory, but they've already ceded the territory in battle.
00:25:35.000And so you've ultimately got to give Putin something if you want the killing to stop.
00:25:40.000Yeah, I think the most important thing here about this plan is it strikes me as a bid for a permanent peace.
00:25:48.000It is not anything that says, oh, we'll acknowledge you're there, but we're not going to recognize it, things like that, is treating it as a ceasefire.
00:25:58.000It is treating another war as the eventual outcome of this, because if you're not recognizing it, your expectation seems to be there will be another fight about it someday.
00:26:07.000And whereas if you're reintegrating Russia into the global economy, if you're creating a new international border, the intent is this is supposed to be a permanent resolution.
00:26:18.000And I just feel there is no long-run value for America or for the West generally and just being in a cold war or hot war with Russia forever.
00:26:28.000Well, and Scott, so I throw it to you.
00:26:51.000Well, look, we've already punished Russia somehow.
00:26:54.000And it has to do with sanctions that we recently put on oil companies.
00:26:57.000A, B, we got NATO members to do 5% on defense spending.
00:27:02.000No other president's gotten that done.
00:27:04.000C, Russia's goal was to take over all of Ukraine and to leave Ukraine not sovereign.
00:27:09.000And this plan would leave Ukraine sovereign.
00:27:11.000And so, no, I don't think Russia's getting everything they want out of this, just like Ukraine is unlikely to get everything they want out of it.
00:27:18.000That's what we mean by the term negotiated peace.
00:27:20.000Plus, as I understand it, Ukraine's going to get a security guarantee out of this.
00:27:24.000That's not something the Russians probably wanted to go into this war thinking that would happen.
00:27:28.000And so Let's not forget, on top of all of it, thanks to, I think, our help and thanks to the help of some other countries, Russia has suffered enormously in battle.
00:27:58.000And if this agreement were executed as we've seen it laid out in public by Secretary of Rubio, this is not, I don't think, the outcome that Putin would have wanted when he started this war.
00:28:07.000Yeah, I think that's spot on, Scott, here.
00:28:10.000Again, author of the, I want to make sure I get the title just right: The Revolution of Common Sense, a Revolution of Common Sense, how Donald Trump stormed Washington and fought for Western civilization.
00:28:24.000We've got two minutes left here in this segment, Scott.
00:28:28.000You brought it up when we were texting, and so I want to get to this story.
00:28:31.000She's being called the AOC of Tennessee.
00:32:43.000So it is a race we should win, but I mean, the headline today on the Hill is Democrats look to cap off winning streak with Tennessee special election.
00:33:30.000If we lose this one, it will be really embarrassing and really bad for everything.
00:33:35.000Look, I mean, these Democrats have gone from defunding to dehumanizing and degrading the police.
00:33:41.000I can't imagine there's anybody in Nashville or surrounding areas that wants their representative in Congress to view law enforcement in that way.
00:33:48.000So if you need only one reason, that's it.
00:36:17.000There wasn't really any dispute of that, other than from these 50 people who come from government, who are in and out of government when Democrats are in power.