The Charlie Kirk Show - Ukraine: Peace At Last? + Mamdani in the White House

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00:01:12.000 All right.

00:01:13.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:15.000 Happy Monday.

00:01:16.000 It's Thanksgiving week.

00:01:17.000 We're excited to be with you in studio.

00:01:19.000 We have Blake Neff here, as always, joined as well by the Zorhan Mamdani questioner, the repeated questioner.

00:01:30.000 Bench presser, someone say.

00:01:32.000 Jack Bisobic, who was just at the White House on Friday during the Zoron Trump Accords.

00:01:40.000 I want to hear, give us the insight.

00:01:43.000 The peace accord.

00:01:44.000 Yeah, give me the insights.

00:01:46.000 They did not share Diet Coke, though.

00:01:48.000 I can confirm that no Diet Coke was shared or offered.

00:01:52.000 They didn't even offer it.

00:01:53.000 No, that's funny.

00:01:54.000 They didn't offer it.

00:01:56.000 I've never seen a lot of people drinking Diet Coke.

00:01:58.000 All right, hold on.

00:01:59.000 Yeah, we have to play the clip.

00:02:01.000 I wasn't planning on just a bit of a about face.

00:02:03.000 It just happened off the spur of the moment.

00:02:06.000 This is Cut 98.

00:02:07.000 This is Jack repeatedly bench pressing Zorhan Mamdani.

00:02:12.000 You're continuing this idea of race-based property taxes.

00:02:15.000 No, to be very clear.

00:02:18.000 The use of the term was a description of neighborhoods, not a description of intent.

00:02:22.000 So you intend to tax the whiter neighborhoods more?

00:02:24.000 No, we intend to create a fair property tax system because we want a New York City that is not only fair and equitable, but also one that every New York can afford.

00:02:32.000 Oh, we missed the first question there.

00:02:33.000 There was like, there was that moment where you go, yes, you did.

00:02:36.000 No, no, you absolutely.

00:02:37.000 This clippy, it's hard to hear it.

00:02:38.000 He's like, he's like, no, yes, you did.

00:02:42.000 Well, no, you said it.

00:02:45.000 It was a good clip.

00:02:46.000 It was a good clip.

00:02:48.000 You said white neighborhood.

00:02:49.000 Well, I have to just say, I have to say, Blake sort of was warning about this beforehand.

00:02:54.000 Blake was going.

00:02:54.000 Yeah, everyone was like, it's going to be this big show.

00:02:56.000 And I was like, Trump likes New York.

00:02:58.000 He likes meeting people.

00:03:00.000 He's not actually as hostile to his political enemies as like in person.

00:03:04.000 Yes.

00:03:05.000 He's genial.

00:03:06.000 Yes, he's very congenial in person.

00:03:07.000 That's the word I was going to use as well.

00:03:10.000 And I kind of knew it was going to be peaceful.

00:03:12.000 And in walks Jack Posobic and sort of gives the people what they want.

00:03:19.000 Somebody had to do something.

00:03:21.000 Somebody did something.

00:03:22.000 Some people did something.

00:03:24.000 Ilhan Omar.

00:03:24.000 No, it was just this situation where I honestly just got it.

00:03:30.000 I'm so annoyed that here's this theater kid who's up there like acting as if he didn't do all the Bollywood stuff on his acceptance speech and demagogue white people on the campaign and talk about how my campaign is for Blake.

00:03:47.000 You remember the list, right?

00:03:48.000 The Bangladeshi taxi driver.

00:03:51.000 I think he mentioned Uzbek.

00:03:52.000 That was Uzbek. 0.96

00:03:55.000 Ecuador and Abuelas and all the that just went full mask off and now he's trying to ratchet it back.

00:04:01.000 He's trying to put the mask back on and oh no, I'm just a nice guy.

00:04:04.000 All I care about is affordability, etc.

00:04:06.000 And it's like, no, you said all these things.

00:04:09.000 You just don't get to walk away from that because you're in the Oval Office.

00:04:13.000 And you could tell, though, I don't think anyone in media has ever really just like held him to account on these things.

00:04:21.000 They usually sort of like, you know, let him just spill his word solid out and then go with that.

00:04:26.000 It was a total non-answer too, by the way.

00:04:28.000 He was like, it's a description of intent, not a tax the way it is.

00:04:32.000 Tax whiter names.

00:04:33.000 Yes, exactly.

00:04:35.000 And, you know, listen, we're going to watch and see how that happens. 0.91

00:04:37.000 You know, Trump is giving him an olive branch, not to be a crazy person.

00:04:41.000 I think a lot of people interpreted that as Trump folding and being charmed by Mamdani.

00:04:45.000 No, no, this is Trump 101.

00:04:48.000 Olive Branch.

00:04:48.000 Hey, we had a nice conversation.

00:04:50.000 We're going to hold off on doing anything crazy.

00:04:52.000 Let's see what he does.

00:04:53.000 And if he crosses me, we're going to go for him. 0.61

00:04:56.000 Well, and imagine Mamdani now having to go back to the left and be like, why did you sit down with a fascist? 0.55

00:05:02.000 Yeah.

00:05:03.000 Well, and he's got clips on that, by the way, where he's basically saying everything, everything I said about Trump still holds true now, which is a very, very strange thing to do. 0.80

00:05:12.000 And he wouldn't actually just come out and say, yeah, he's a fascist.

00:05:14.000 He said, what I said previously is still true.

00:05:16.000 It would actually be funny if you just said.

00:05:18.000 Just say it.

00:05:20.000 Anyways, we are going to talk about Ukraine.

00:05:24.000 There is a massive movement that's been happening, Blake, on the Ukraine peace front.

00:05:29.000 So there was, you can set this up, but there's essentially two competing deals that are now being floated.

00:05:35.000 There is a U.S.-led effort that apparently happened with Witkoff and some Russian counterparts in Russia.

00:05:43.000 That's where the negotiations were happening.

00:05:45.000 And then there was, that was leaked.

00:05:47.000 And then the EU rushed to put together their own point-by-point plan.

00:05:52.000 The U.S. one has 28 points.

00:05:53.000 And EU's is a little bit more pro-Ukraine.

00:05:57.000 We didn't get to this last week.

00:05:59.000 So there's been, it was a leaked 28-point plan, as they call it.

00:06:03.000 We're not sure by whom, although evidence is it probably actually was leaked by the Russian side, which was capitalized on the press to say it was a Russian-authored plan.

00:06:11.000 But what's going on is we have actually haven't talked about the war in a while.

00:06:16.000 The war is still going.

00:06:17.000 It is still grinding.

00:06:18.000 There is evidence it has been getting worse for Ukraine than it was a few months ago.

00:06:23.000 They're losing ground a little bit faster.

00:06:25.000 Not super rapidly.

00:06:26.000 It's a big meat grinder war, but things aren't looking promising.

00:06:30.000 And so last week we had this peace plan come out, 28 points.

00:06:35.000 And some of the key ones, do we have that B-roll of the map that I gave you?

00:06:39.000 I don't have the number in front of me right now.

00:06:41.000 But yeah, throw that one up.

00:06:43.000 122.

00:06:44.000 122.

00:06:46.000 So this is the heart of it.

00:06:48.000 It would basically cede to Russia the areas of Ukraine, basically what the current front line is.

00:06:54.000 There's a tiny amount of adjustment in the north, but it essentially matches what the current front line is.

00:07:00.000 It would create a demilitarized zone in Donetsk province, which is one that Russia wants, but they haven't taken all of it.

00:07:06.000 So it would essentially demilitarize the parts still held by Ukraine.

00:07:10.000 That'd be the purple section.

00:07:11.000 Yeah.

00:07:11.000 And what's very important is this deal, the 28-point deal, would formally acknowledge Russia taking those territories, as opposed to what some have insisted on, where they might allow Russia to keep occupying them, but continue to leave it as, you know, not recognized.

00:07:28.000 That's supposedly Ukraine should take it back. 0.80

00:07:30.000 That's U.S. recognition.

00:07:31.000 Yeah, U.S. recognition.

00:07:32.000 That means the president of the United States would come out with the whole of government, Secretary of State, saying, and that's something obviously another president could overturn.

00:07:39.000 But of course, the Russians could always point to saying that, look, the U.S. recognizes that.

00:07:43.000 And truthfully, I think that is a very important part of what I think a long-term peace would be because what has kept this a tumor that has flared up over and over again is that it's not resolved.

00:07:53.000 It is never resolved.

00:07:54.000 There is no final jurisdiction for 11 years now.

00:07:58.000 For 11 years.

00:07:59.000 And that's almost, that's likely what led to this war: the refusal to acknowledge the ceding of Crimea, or I should say the seizure of Crimea.

00:08:09.000 And their original offer before the war happened was if you would acknowledge Crimea and then a few military concessions, that they would be okay with a long-term peace.

00:08:20.000 That wasn't ceded, so instead we got this war.

00:08:22.000 Other stuff in it, the peace deal would require Ukraine shrinking the size of its military.

00:08:28.000 I think that will be a difficult sticking point.

00:08:30.000 Yeah, that's the U.S. version, not the EU version.

00:08:32.000 The U.S. version, yeah, the EU version version version - the U.S. version caps the Ukraine military at 600,000, which is still huge, by the way, for European terms, especially.

00:08:41.000 The EU plan would give no restrictions placed on Ukraine.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, it would not allow them into NATO, though it would allow them into the European Union, which I feel would be a quite important session because is Russia going to invade a member of the European Union, especially if the European Union maybe developed some sort of unified armed forces?

00:08:58.000 Yes.

00:08:59.000 It seems less likely to me.

00:09:00.000 But the point is, this is a lot of people have freaked out about this.

00:09:04.000 There's a lot of opposition to it.

00:09:06.000 There has been a counter-European Union plan where the main argument they've made is basically that it has a smaller number of points in it and 19 points instead of 28, which means it concedes less to Russia.

00:09:17.000 The neocons are freaking out, and that's the really big thing because they just don't want the war to end.

00:09:23.000 They don't.

00:09:23.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:09:25.000 I mean, I think they're still playing under an old paradigm.

00:09:27.000 Here's one big key difference between the two plans, by the way.

00:09:31.000 The Trump 28-point plan does offer G8 membership to Russia if they play by the rules over time.

00:09:38.000 So Russia could get back into essentially the League of Nations. 0.75

00:09:41.000 And Trump talked about that a lot.

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 He mentions it like every time he goes to the G7.

00:09:46.000 That's a big carrot that is dangling out there for Russia if it plays by these rules.

00:09:52.000 And I think here's the deal.

00:09:54.000 You have, to your point, Blake, this war continues grinding on.

00:09:58.000 There is no end in sight.

00:10:00.000 Massive loss of life and casualties.

00:10:03.000 One thing we know about Russia is they are very good at wars of attrition, where they just grind them out long, long time. 0.96

00:10:09.000 I mean, so I think that if you compare and contrast these two plans, you still have the European Union playing under an old paradigm, if you will.

00:10:19.000 And I think just analyzing both of them this morning and over the weekend, the Trump plan feels much, much more realistic.

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00:11:31.000 I'm going to play the clip here.

00:11:32.000 Let's play Cut 93. 1.00

00:11:34.000 All the women are talking about it. 1.00

00:11:35.000 93.

00:11:36.000 You told me this in private, but how many kids did you guys want to have?

00:11:40.000 We wanted to have four.

00:11:44.000 Yeah.

00:11:46.000 And I was praying to God that I was pregnant when he got murdered.

00:11:51.000 Oh, wow.

00:11:53.000 I thought of that once.

00:11:55.000 Just like whether it was meant to be or whether we'd get news like that.

00:12:00.000 I was like, oh, goodness, that would be the ultimate blessing out of this catastrophe.

00:12:05.000 I was praying.

00:12:06.000 Both of us were.

00:12:07.000 We were really excited to just expand our family.

00:12:10.000 Thank God you have the two.

00:12:11.000 I know.

00:12:12.000 Thank God.

00:12:13.000 You know, April.

00:12:14.000 I know.

00:12:14.000 Yeah, it was a powerful moment.

00:12:17.000 You know, I was kind of like side stage.

00:12:20.000 And I, you know, I just never wanted to bring that type of stuff up with Erica, so it was news to me as well.

00:12:26.000 I want to play some clips here from the Russia-Ukraine negotiations.

00:12:31.000 This is Rubio and Yermak, and they are issuing statements after the first round of negotiations.

00:12:35.000 Play cut 90.

00:12:38.000 So it is in my personal view that we've had probably the most productive and meaningful meeting so far in this entire process since we've been involved from the beginning.

00:12:47.000 We have a very good work product that was already built on a foundation of input from all the relative parties involved here.

00:12:53.000 And we were able to go through some of those items now, point by point, and I think we've made good progress.

00:13:00.000 So he's saying it's the most productive and meaningful meeting so far.

00:13:04.000 And that was Andrey Yermak, who's the head of the Ukrainian delegation to Geneva.

00:13:08.000 So those meetings were happening in Geneva.

00:13:10.000 You know what's an interesting piece of this, by the way, is that a lot of people are speculating this 28-point peace plan was actually drafted in Russian because it looks like we mentioned that.

00:13:20.000 Yeah, translated over.

00:13:21.000 I think that's just because when Axios got it, they got it from the Russians.

00:13:27.000 So it's probably in Russian.

00:13:29.000 But my understanding was that, and Rubio came out and said, this is the U.S.

00:13:33.000 Yes, he said it wasn't right there.

00:13:34.000 No, he said it was the U.S. the U.S. version.

00:13:37.000 What stands out to me about certainly the U.S. plan is they'll complain that it's too pro-Russian, although I would just note, if you're going to oppose a plan that is pro-Russian, I feel you need a plan for, okay, is Ukraine going to win the war?

00:13:51.000 Are we going to go until every Ukrainian is dead, so you can feel really morally righteous over their pile of corpses? 1.00

00:13:59.000 Are you going to step up to pay for it forever?

00:14:00.000 That should be the question to Europe if they want it to go forever.

00:14:03.000 Or are you going to deploy your own troops?

00:14:06.000 Exactly.

00:14:07.000 Like, you have to ask those questions.

00:14:08.000 Otherwise, again, you're just demanding that every Ukrainian die for your safety. 0.96

00:14:13.000 Because this has been the issue, right?

00:14:14.000 Is that we keep backfilling we, when I say we, the West, EU, U.S., et cetera, technology, drones, intelligence, et cetera.

00:14:22.000 But nobody's actually sent troops.

00:14:24.000 And the problem is, is that you can use those drones.

00:14:27.000 You can hit Russia in the backfield, target energy infrastructure, things like this. 0.89

00:14:31.000 But you know what you can't do?

00:14:32.000 Capture and hold terrain.

00:14:35.000 Only men can do that.

00:14:36.000 You need men for that.

00:14:38.000 And that would be the biggest escalation of sending actual troops.

00:14:40.000 And at that point, you're dangerously close to the big escalation that we never wanted.

00:14:45.000 So what stands out to me in the U.S. plan is it is a serious bid to say we are attempting to normalize relations with Russia after effectively a 20-year new Cold War with them, if you will.

00:15:00.000 Here's the question that I think, and I don't know if we mentioned it.

00:15:03.000 There is this question about, and Bannon's brought it up, the security guarantee for Ukraine, right?

00:15:08.000 Is that like an Article 5 guarantee?

00:15:12.000 But I want other stuff.

00:15:14.000 Other stuff, though, it's that Russia gets reintegrated into the global economy. 0.59

00:15:18.000 So we stop the endless sanctions.

00:15:20.000 That's also why you, frankly, recognize the territorial change so that there is a set, mutually agreed upon border between the two.

00:15:27.000 Instead of what stands out with the European plan is they don't want to acknowledge this.

00:15:32.000 They want to continue that frozen conflict attitude that we had before this war, where, okay, you occupy this land, but we're not acknowledging it.

00:15:41.000 So it's a potential flashpoint whenever we want it to.

00:15:44.000 I mean, a couple months ago, people were saying when, you know, I remember I went to Alaska when Trump had to sit down with Putin and Putin came over, and, you know, but then it all kind of unraveled after that, and they announced this Budapest thing, but then it never really got off the ground.

00:15:59.000 And a lot of people were saying, hey, and Ukraine really wasn't agreeing to anything at that point.

00:16:05.000 Zelensky came in and it's like, look, we had the meeting, but you didn't agree to it.

00:16:09.000 So people were saying that an armistice might be the only thing possible at that point.

00:16:13.000 So the fact that Ukraine is on board with this and we are seeing the Russians be on board with this, I think that actually speaks credibility to, or gives credibility to what Rubio is saying.

00:16:23.000 That actually, there's a real possibility for a deal here.

00:16:26.000 Well, and it strikes me, Blake, to your point, is that the only way to have this be a lasting peace is if you officially recognize the ground that Russia has gained in this long, bloody war. 0.57

00:16:40.000 Some portion of it.

00:16:40.000 Maybe there's a counterproposal they can make that cedes some of it back or something.

00:16:46.000 But to your point, it's look, we have to understand that Putin sees this as his legacy.

00:16:51.000 You know, basically, you know, reverting the heirs and the sins of his predecessors in the 90s and when the USSR fell. 0.74

00:17:02.000 And so he wants to at least, you have to give him something is my read on this.

00:17:06.000 And I think this is a realistic and say, you know, we did all this and this is what we got.

00:17:11.000 Well, you got to also understand that Putin is propped up by oligarchs.

00:17:14.000 That's the reason he's able to hold on to power is because he controls the oligarchs.

00:17:18.000 You have to come back from a war like this and show something tangible.

00:17:21.000 Otherwise, this is going to just continue on forever.

00:17:24.000 And then the person who comes after Putin is going to be like 10 times worse if he's seen as a failure.

00:17:29.000 Yeah, I mean, in theory, that, I mean, the glass have full, I think, EU rose-colored glasses vision is that they're going to be able to sort of help somebody better.

00:17:37.000 The fanatics who want this war to go forever, I feel like they're just calculating that Putin will die and then somehow Russia implodes after that.

00:17:45.000 And I just think that strikes me as highly risky.

00:17:47.000 Yeah, the last time that Warhawks you've seen in America.

00:17:53.000 They exist in Russia, too.

00:17:54.000 They sure do. 0.99

00:17:54.000 They're more insane, arguably. 0.99

00:17:56.000 Yeah, they're like, let's glass Paris kind of guys.

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00:19:25.000 Scott, welcome to the show.

00:19:27.000 Andrew, good to see you, my friend.

00:19:29.000 And greetings from northern Kentucky today.

00:19:31.000 I'm traveling a little bit and glad to join you on the Charlie Kirk show, my friend.

00:19:36.000 Yeah, it's great to have you.

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00:19:48.000 You're doing great work.

00:19:49.000 Congratulations on the book, A Revolution of Common Sense.

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00:20:51.000 And that's the photo that came back.

00:20:52.000 So that's the president's favorite picture.

00:20:55.000 I let him pick it.

00:20:56.000 Well, listen, the subhead, by the way, I think is really important.

00:20:56.000 Wow.

00:20:59.000 And the reason I want to call attention to it is because it is something that Charlie was obsessed with.

00:21:04.000 It was what he was laser focused on.

00:21:07.000 You said how Donald Trump stored Washington and fought for Western civilization.

00:21:13.000 So you're painting this battle as an existential battle to save the West, to save Christendom, in a sense.

00:21:21.000 I believe that.

00:21:22.000 Charlie believed that.

00:21:24.000 Why do you believe it?

00:21:26.000 If you could articulate it in the way Scott Jennings would, why do you believe the stakes are that high?

00:21:31.000 Well, first of all, the last time, as you mentioned, that I saw Charlie and you together in Colorado, if you'll remember the conversation that he and I had in front of that audience, we talked a lot about the future of Western civilization.

00:21:44.000 And this theme permeates the book because I think, and I talk about this in some of my public talks, and I think Charlie understood this and articulated it well.

00:21:53.000 We're not just battling about the day-to-day politics anymore.

00:21:56.000 The future of our country, the future of the West, the future of, you know, whether we're going to live in a world that is based on the ideals that have been the foundation of our society for 3,000 years is going to continue.

00:22:09.000 It's that versus really dark ideologies, people who would leave this world in darkness, people who have views that I think are really the enemies of human liberty.

00:22:18.000 That's the battle that's going on right now.

00:22:20.000 And I don't know whether President Trump knew he was signing up for it or not, but he is the leader of the fight for the future of the West.

00:22:27.000 And look, this is, you know, the West isn't a place on a map.

00:22:30.000 It's a set of ideas born in Jerusalem and Rome and Athens.

00:22:33.000 And it's been the foundation of our civilization.

00:22:36.000 It's been the foundation of our freedom.

00:22:37.000 This is the civilization that gave birth to the Bible, the Constitution, the concept of a university.

00:22:43.000 Everything we are is based on this pillars of Western civilization, and it's in danger.

00:22:48.000 I think our financial situation and the mass migration crisis in the world and the march of these dark ideologies, I think they're all combining to really challenge the future of the West. 0.99

00:22:58.000 And it's what keeps me up at night.

00:23:00.000 And I think the president's leading us admirably, but I think we all need to understand if you're within the sound of our voice, you're on the front lines of this battle right now, whether you know it or like it or not.

00:23:09.000 Well, well said, and I think you talk about frontline of the battle.

00:23:12.000 I want to bring Blake Neffen, one of our producers here, Scott, as well for this conversation.

00:23:17.000 So we were just talking about in segments one and two about Ukraine, talking about frontline of the battle.

00:23:24.000 There's a lot that's been made of this, the EU plan versus the United States plan.

00:23:30.000 Give us your take.

00:23:31.000 Just, you know, which plan do you see as the more realistic path to peace here?

00:23:38.000 Well, look, I've thought a few things, and Secretary Rubio, I think, has done a good job trying to manage this.

00:23:43.000 Number one, it has to be a negotiated peace.

00:23:46.000 Neither of these guys is going to go back to their capital and take a knee and wave a white flag.

00:23:50.000 I've never believed that.

00:23:52.000 Number two, it has to be something that guarantees what's good for America.

00:23:56.000 You know, what is good for us here?

00:23:58.000 Security is good from a military perspective, but also economic security.

00:24:01.000 We've spent a lot of money on this.

00:24:03.000 We've spent a lot of time on this.

00:24:05.000 What are we going to achieve out of this negotiated settlement?

00:24:09.000 And number three, ultimately, you know, are we going to get any guarantees that we're not going to be involved in any conflicts in the near, medium, or long term?

00:24:17.000 I mean, that's the other thing we're looking for here.

00:24:19.000 And so I hear Secretary Rubio sort of laying out these principles.

00:24:23.000 I think he's on the right track.

00:24:25.000 You have to involve both countries.

00:24:27.000 I've been sort of, you know, flummoxed at people who say, well, we just have to take whatever the Ukrainians want and force Russia to accept.

00:24:34.000 Well, how do you do that?

00:24:35.000 How do you force another country to accept something?

00:24:38.000 It has to be negotiated and it has to be done from a position of strength, which is what I think Rubio is doing right now.

00:24:44.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm with you.

00:24:46.000 You know, it seems like the basic disposition of the neocon right and the neoliberal left are really into this idea that you can't give Putin anything, Putin bad.

00:24:57.000 We have to be enemies with Russia. 0.93

00:24:59.000 This fixation on constantly being at Russia's throat and never being able to see a future where relations are normalized.

00:25:06.000 Blake, I thought you painted that picture extraordinarily well and earlier in the show, where the power of this deal is that you would have to essentially as the U.S. go over and say those regions are now part of Russia.

00:25:18.000 And there is a powerful, powerful, I think it's symbolically powerful, but it's also pragmatic and realistic because those areas, they speak Russian, they probably want to be a part of Russia.

00:25:31.000 Yeah, Ukraine would have to cede some territory, but they've already ceded the territory in battle.

00:25:35.000 And so you've ultimately got to give Putin something if you want the killing to stop.

00:25:40.000 Yeah, I think the most important thing here about this plan is it strikes me as a bid for a permanent peace.

00:25:48.000 It is not anything that says, oh, we'll acknowledge you're there, but we're not going to recognize it, things like that, is treating it as a ceasefire.

00:25:58.000 It is treating another war as the eventual outcome of this, because if you're not recognizing it, your expectation seems to be there will be another fight about it someday.

00:26:07.000 And whereas if you're reintegrating Russia into the global economy, if you're creating a new international border, the intent is this is supposed to be a permanent resolution. 0.61

00:26:18.000 And I just feel there is no long-run value for America or for the West generally and just being in a cold war or hot war with Russia forever. 0.65

00:26:28.000 Well, and Scott, so I throw it to you.

00:26:30.000 Let's play CNN here.

00:26:33.000 Let's play a little game here.

00:26:34.000 I'm going to be your counterpart.

00:26:36.000 But Scott, isn't that rewarding bad behavior?

00:26:39.000 If we give Russia this territory and we acknowledge it as the U.S., we're rewarding bad behavior, are we not? 0.94

00:26:39.000 Isn't that reward? 0.94

00:26:47.000 This is unrealistic for the future.

00:26:49.000 It sets a bad precedent.

00:26:51.000 Well, look, we've already punished Russia somehow. 0.89

00:26:54.000 And it has to do with sanctions that we recently put on oil companies.

00:26:57.000 A, B, we got NATO members to do 5% on defense spending.

00:27:02.000 No other president's gotten that done.

00:27:04.000 C, Russia's goal was to take over all of Ukraine and to leave Ukraine not sovereign.

00:27:09.000 And this plan would leave Ukraine sovereign.

00:27:11.000 And so, no, I don't think Russia's getting everything they want out of this, just like Ukraine is unlikely to get everything they want out of it.

00:27:18.000 That's what we mean by the term negotiated peace.

00:27:20.000 Plus, as I understand it, Ukraine's going to get a security guarantee out of this.

00:27:24.000 That's not something the Russians probably wanted to go into this war thinking that would happen.

00:27:28.000 And so Let's not forget, on top of all of it, thanks to, I think, our help and thanks to the help of some other countries, Russia has suffered enormously in battle.

00:27:38.000 Casualties are high.

00:27:40.000 Their economy in some ways has been wrecked over this.

00:27:42.000 And so we have punished these guys quite a bit.

00:27:45.000 And if you want the killing to stop, you're going to have to get to a point where both countries decide to stop.

00:27:52.000 And that's the point of this agreement.

00:27:54.000 But don't mistake that Russia got off scot-free here.

00:27:56.000 I don't think they did.

00:27:58.000 And if this agreement were executed as we've seen it laid out in public by Secretary of Rubio, this is not, I don't think, the outcome that Putin would have wanted when he started this war.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, I think that's spot on, Scott, here.

00:28:10.000 Again, author of the, I want to make sure I get the title just right: The Revolution of Common Sense, a Revolution of Common Sense, how Donald Trump stormed Washington and fought for Western civilization.

00:28:24.000 We've got two minutes left here in this segment, Scott.

00:28:28.000 You brought it up when we were texting, and so I want to get to this story.

00:28:31.000 She's being called the AOC of Tennessee.

00:28:35.000 And so it's Democrat Afton Ben.

00:28:38.000 And she is taking incoming because she is on the record now saying that she hates the city she wants to represent. 0.99

00:28:46.000 Let's play 135.

00:28:49.000 I've been heavily involved with the Nashville mayoral race because I hate the city. 0.99

00:28:55.000 I hate the Bachelorettes.

00:28:56.000 I hate the pedal taverns.

00:28:58.000 I hate country music.

00:28:59.000 I hate all of the things that make Nashville apparently an itch city to the rest of the country. 0.98

00:29:04.000 But I hate it.

00:29:05.000 Yeah, I'm that girl at the airport that all these bachelorettes are giddy walking out in their two-tuned colored pant pink shirts.

00:29:12.000 And they walk out and I'm like, they're like, oh my God, Nashville is my battle.

00:29:16.000 So loud. 1.00

00:29:21.000 Before we dunk on her, that woman could be elected to Congress next week. 1.00

00:29:25.000 So again, if you live in the 7th district, you can vote right now. 0.97

00:29:28.000 Early voting goes through Wednesday.

00:29:30.000 Cast your vote now.

00:29:32.000 Scott, your reaction.

00:29:35.000 Well, welcome to the modern left.

00:29:37.000 I mean, this is effectively a great hood ornament for what the Democratic Party has become.

00:29:42.000 These sort of vapid liberals who really hate the people they live around.

00:29:47.000 This district, by the way, is partly Nashville, but it also includes a huge swath of rural Tennessee.

00:29:52.000 Does that sound like someone who's got anything in common with rural Tennessee?

00:29:55.000 It doesn't me.

00:29:56.000 On top of that, you may have seen that she has been a longtime supporter of defunding the police.

00:30:02.000 She went on MSNBC this weekend and refused to denounce those views that she has espoused for years about defunding the police.

00:30:10.000 I mean, this person couldn't be farther from the center politically of that district than she is.

00:30:16.000 But this is where the energy in the Democratic Party is right now. 0.98

00:30:19.000 She's the AOC of Tennessee. 0.57

00:30:21.000 I mean, these sort of charismatic, condescending, hateful, socialist-style candidates, that's who they're nominating.

00:30:29.000 That's who they're trying to put forward all over this country.

00:30:32.000 And in a special election, anything could happen.

00:30:34.000 So my advice to Republicans down there is don't sleep on this.

00:30:37.000 Trump won this district by over 20 points, but Democrats are pouring money into it for a reason.

00:30:42.000 And you think that's the kind of person you want in Congress?

00:30:44.000 Think again.

00:30:47.000 Connection, open dialogue.

00:30:50.000 These are the things that build communities.

00:30:52.000 Charlie, Kirk, and TikTok share in that knowledge.

00:30:55.000 That's why TikTok has built a space where that kind of listening actually happens.

00:30:59.000 People don't just post, they respond.

00:31:02.000 They build on each other's ideas.

00:31:04.000 You'll see a teacher simplifying a tough lesson so it finally clicks, or a gardener sharing a trick that saved their crop.

00:31:10.000 But what matters most isn't the video.

00:31:13.000 It's what comes next.

00:31:14.000 Someone asking a question, someone else answering with a story of their own.

00:31:18.000 And suddenly, people who've never met become a community built on curiosity.

00:31:23.000 When people listen and understand, a shift happens.

00:31:26.000 Walls come down, ideas travel further, and connection, real connection, takes their place.

00:31:31.000 That's what listening does.

00:31:32.000 It reminds us that we're not as different as we may think.

00:31:36.000 And that's what makes TikTok so powerful.

00:31:38.000 It's a place where every post can turn into a conversation, and every conversation can make a difference.

00:31:44.000 Portions of our program are sponsored in part by TikTok.

00:31:49.000 All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:31:51.000 We're not done with Afton Ben here. 0.98

00:31:54.000 There's so much good cuts on her.

00:31:57.000 Let's see this.

00:31:59.000 139. 0.98

00:31:59.000 This is her saying that rioting is a way for people to express themselves and bragged about harassing ICE agents. 0.98

00:32:05.000 Yeah, as you do.

00:32:06.000 139.

00:32:07.000 Afton Bain says.

00:32:09.000 I'm a very radical person.

00:32:11.000 So radical.

00:32:12.000 Bain thinks.

00:32:13.000 Rioting is a way for people to express themselves.

00:32:16.000 Worst, Bain went on a midnight joyride harassing ICE officers and state troopers.

00:32:21.000 This is great.

00:32:21.000 We've got our girl squad and we're bullying the ICE vehicles and state troopers.

00:32:26.000 So this is like unhinged.

00:32:28.000 And it's really scary.

00:32:30.000 Stop Afton Bain.

00:32:32.000 So radical, it's scary.

00:32:35.000 So this is that is a it's in a Republican plus 10 district that Trump voted by 20, right?

00:32:43.000 Yeah.

00:32:43.000 So it is a race we should win, but I mean, the headline today on the Hill is Democrats look to cap off winning streak with Tennessee special election.

00:32:53.000 They are paying attention to it.

00:32:55.000 They are putting money into it.

00:32:56.000 We have to acknowledge they're a little more fired up right now, as you know, they were during Trump's first term.

00:33:02.000 That's how we got, you know, it started off with John Ossoff running for house.

00:33:06.000 And I think he lost the first time, but it was very close, I think is what it originally was.

00:33:10.000 And then he just gained more and more momentum.

00:33:13.000 So if you are in Tennessee, I know you're out there.

00:33:16.000 Go vote early right now.

00:33:18.000 You can do it today.

00:33:19.000 You can do it tomorrow.

00:33:20.000 You can do it Wednesday.

00:33:21.000 Do it now.

00:33:22.000 Get it out of the way.

00:33:24.000 Yep.

00:33:24.000 Otherwise, vote on Tuesday and put this to bed.

00:33:29.000 Don't allow us to lose this.

00:33:30.000 If we lose this one, it will be really embarrassing and really bad for everything.

00:33:35.000 Look, I mean, these Democrats have gone from defunding to dehumanizing and degrading the police.

00:33:41.000 I can't imagine there's anybody in Nashville or surrounding areas that wants their representative in Congress to view law enforcement in that way.

00:33:48.000 So if you need only one reason, that's it.

00:33:51.000 All right, Scott.

00:33:52.000 So we're talking about this special election in Tennessee, which we should win, but Democrats are more fired up than we are.

00:33:58.000 So we got to keep our eye on the on the prize here.

00:34:00.000 We got to stay focused, go out and vote.

00:34:02.000 As Blake said, that's exactly what Charlie would have said.

00:34:05.000 Just get out and vote, vote early, get it done.

00:34:08.000 You don't want to flat tire on election day to get in their way.

00:34:10.000 But now we have MTG.

00:34:12.000 She has announced her resignation.

00:34:15.000 Obviously, there was a huge fallout with President Trump.

00:34:17.000 Our majority is getting slimmer and slimmer.

00:34:20.000 And we got to keep our eye on this.

00:34:22.000 I think MTG's district has another R plus 10.

00:34:25.000 So we're going to have a special election there, it sounds like.

00:34:28.000 What do you make of this?

00:34:29.000 Why are we seeing this?

00:34:31.000 A lot of people calling this the fracturing of the right right now.

00:34:35.000 We're kind of at a nader when it comes to energy.

00:34:38.000 What do you make of it?

00:34:41.000 Well, a couple things.

00:34:42.000 One, I still think Donald Trump is enormously popular among Republicans.

00:34:46.000 I mean, I saw a data segment with Perry Inn from CNN this morning on this.

00:34:51.000 I mean, he's got an 87% approval rating among Republicans.

00:34:54.000 That's higher than Obama had with Democrats.

00:34:57.000 And at this point, his second term higher than Bush had with Republicans in his second term.

00:35:01.000 So in terms of his clout and influence at the party, I think that's really high.

00:35:05.000 But you do see people starting, I think, to break with him for one reason or another on certain issues.

00:35:10.000 And they really should not.

00:35:11.000 I mean, my view is politics is a team sport.

00:35:14.000 And he's the head coach.

00:35:15.000 And he's still calling the plays right now.

00:35:17.000 And we have a united opposition.

00:35:20.000 You know, the media, the Democrats, the federal bureaucracy, the judiciary.

00:35:24.000 I mean, you have these sort of entrenched interests that are united in trying to overwhelm the conservative movement.

00:35:29.000 When we fracture, it makes them, it makes their job a lot easier, frankly.

00:35:34.000 And so I don't like it, I guess, candidly, when my friends, our friends are fighting.

00:35:39.000 And I don't like it when it seems like there's a fracture.

00:35:41.000 But we have a leader.

00:35:42.000 His name is Donald Trump.

00:35:43.000 And I think we ought to respect that.

00:35:45.000 And I know people have differences of opinion on certain issues.

00:35:48.000 But at the end of the day, we're fighting larger battles here, and internal fractures make it harder to win those larger battles.

00:35:53.000 Yeah, I completely agree.

00:35:55.000 And you've been excellent on staying focused on the left.

00:35:58.000 Scott, I mean, this is your, I would say it's your day job.

00:36:00.000 It's really your night job on CNN.

00:36:03.000 I want to play because it's just going, the clips are making the rounds.

00:36:05.000 You want to Kara Swisher's podcast, and she claimed that the Hunter Biden cover-up of the laptop was just politics as usual.

00:36:12.000 I got to play this clip and get your reaction.

00:36:14.000 123.

00:36:16.000 The story was true. 0.73

00:36:17.000 There wasn't really any dispute of that, other than from these 50 people who come from government, who are in and out of government when Democrats are in power.

00:36:25.000 That's politics to me, Scott.

00:36:26.000 That's that's, I mean, you're not naive.

00:36:28.000 They were making their case, just like you would say Trump just did with whatever issue he has.

00:36:35.000 Well, I don't agree that it is just a simple matter of making your case.

00:36:39.000 It was one of the biggest lies that was told to try to get Joe Biden over the finish line.

00:36:44.000 Do you think it's just politics as usual?

00:36:47.000 Yes, I do, actually.

00:36:49.000 I think it's, I do, actually, you lie absolutely.

00:36:51.000 So, so lying, Scott, is just politics to the Democrats.

00:36:54.000 You can just lie now.

00:36:57.000 And honestly, it's worse than lying because they took 50 people that have intelligence titles.

00:37:02.000 They've been director of the CIA.

00:37:04.000 They've been this, they've been that.

00:37:05.000 And they put their own credibility out there to say this was Russian disinformation.

00:37:10.000 And then on top of that, you had news outlets that were being forced to censor information.

00:37:15.000 You had social media companies that were censoring information.

00:37:18.000 They were stopping the American people from getting access to information on the doorstep of an election.

00:37:23.000 It was a big misinformation op for the party that's constantly worried about misinformation.

00:37:28.000 That's all it was.

00:37:28.000 Remember, the New York Post had its social media accounts shut down because they're the ones that broke the story.

00:37:35.000 So this was not politics as usual, but to the left, anything goes.

00:37:39.000 They will do anything.

00:37:40.000 They will coerce anybody.

00:37:42.000 They will censor anything in order to get political power.

00:37:45.000 And I think that's what we have to realize that we're up against.

00:37:47.000 It's not politics as usual.

00:37:49.000 It's something much, much worse than that.

00:37:50.000 And they have a whole media apparatus that will completely whitewash it on the back end when they get caught.

00:37:55.000 Scott Jennings, a revolution of common sense.

00:37:58.000 Check out his new book.

00:37:59.000 Thank you, my friend.

00:38:00.000 It's good to see you.

00:38:01.000 Good to see you, Andrew.

00:38:02.000 Thank you.

00:38:08.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 24, 2025

Ukraine: Peace At Last? + Mamdani in the White House

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